1 00:00:07,226 --> 00:00:09,666 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger as a production of the 2 00:00:09,786 --> 00:00:23,666 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with I Heart Radio. What's Up, Everybody? 3 00:00:23,706 --> 00:00:26,306 Speaker 1: This is Peter Schreeger and this is the podcast The 4 00:00:26,386 --> 00:00:29,266 Speaker 1: Season with Peter Scheger. We're not entering the Divisional Round 5 00:00:29,386 --> 00:00:32,426 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, and this is my favorite weekend of 6 00:00:32,466 --> 00:00:35,186 Speaker 1: the football calendar. You know, football is now a fifty 7 00:00:35,186 --> 00:00:38,026 Speaker 1: two weeks season, and I always say wild Card Round 8 00:00:38,066 --> 00:00:40,506 Speaker 1: is a nice appetizer, kind of a play in game feel. 9 00:00:41,106 --> 00:00:43,386 Speaker 1: Divisional Round you of your best eight teams and you 10 00:00:43,386 --> 00:00:46,866 Speaker 1: have four games and it's clean and it's simple too. 11 00:00:46,986 --> 00:00:50,706 Speaker 1: On Saturday too, on Sunday, and then we're into Championship 12 00:00:50,746 --> 00:00:52,666 Speaker 1: week and away we go. And gosh, I look at 13 00:00:52,666 --> 00:00:56,586 Speaker 1: this NFC slate and can I just say, from like 14 00:00:56,626 --> 00:01:03,586 Speaker 1: a fan slash TV slash media perspective, when those logo 15 00:01:03,706 --> 00:01:07,946 Speaker 1: show up, there's a certain feel about out different teams. 16 00:01:07,986 --> 00:01:10,626 Speaker 1: Two years ago, the Buccaneers, here's Tom Brady and this 17 00:01:10,786 --> 00:01:14,146 Speaker 1: great deal and Brady and the Bucks and god, she's 18 00:01:14,226 --> 00:01:16,666 Speaker 1: he's getting Gronk out of retirement too, and it was 19 00:01:16,706 --> 00:01:21,306 Speaker 1: a cool story. But when you show me four logos 20 00:01:21,946 --> 00:01:25,026 Speaker 1: and it's the New York Giants, which goes back to 21 00:01:25,106 --> 00:01:30,226 Speaker 1: the thirties, and it's the Philadelphia Eagles and all their 22 00:01:30,386 --> 00:01:32,786 Speaker 1: history and the birth of the NFL and when the 23 00:01:32,866 --> 00:01:36,546 Speaker 1: league offices used to be in Philadelphia and what Philadelphia 24 00:01:36,626 --> 00:01:39,266 Speaker 1: means the NFL. Then you give me that Cowboys star 25 00:01:40,506 --> 00:01:43,106 Speaker 1: and what the Cowboys mean to the NFL. And then 26 00:01:43,106 --> 00:01:46,826 Speaker 1: you're throw in the forty Niners and their history. You're 27 00:01:46,826 --> 00:01:50,346 Speaker 1: telling me those are the last four teams. Look, the Steelers, 28 00:01:50,586 --> 00:01:54,666 Speaker 1: rich franchise, the Packers, of course, but I'd say in 29 00:01:54,706 --> 00:01:56,946 Speaker 1: the top ten are those four teams as far as 30 00:01:57,106 --> 00:02:02,306 Speaker 1: national fan bases. That logo mattering Aaron, my producer, I 31 00:02:02,346 --> 00:02:04,386 Speaker 1: love you, buddy. I I gotta think. I don't know 32 00:02:04,426 --> 00:02:09,826 Speaker 1: about your generation, but when you see those war logos Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, 33 00:02:09,906 --> 00:02:12,226 Speaker 1: forty Niners, does that that could just get you out 34 00:02:12,226 --> 00:02:15,786 Speaker 1: of your chair or are you more of Well? I 35 00:02:15,906 --> 00:02:18,546 Speaker 1: like the stories and the players and it would be 36 00:02:18,586 --> 00:02:20,506 Speaker 1: cool Like to me, I don't know, I get those 37 00:02:20,506 --> 00:02:24,066 Speaker 1: four national brands getting up, let's go. Yeah. I think 38 00:02:24,346 --> 00:02:27,786 Speaker 1: all four of them, like you're saying, have like historical significance. 39 00:02:27,786 --> 00:02:30,746 Speaker 1: That's really great. But also even with they all have 40 00:02:30,946 --> 00:02:33,986 Speaker 1: as a franchise, great storylines in the past five ten years, 41 00:02:34,386 --> 00:02:37,906 Speaker 1: so like you know, Shanahan and the forty Niners, like 42 00:02:37,946 --> 00:02:40,946 Speaker 1: watching that go up and down, and like now potentially 43 00:02:41,066 --> 00:02:44,426 Speaker 1: having this big resurgence. Like even if I am a 44 00:02:44,466 --> 00:02:46,666 Speaker 1: fan of certain players or you know, like a bunch 45 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,946 Speaker 1: of people who are like fantasy focused are gonna follow 46 00:02:49,986 --> 00:02:54,386 Speaker 1: certain individuals, they're great storylines for each one of these franchises. 47 00:02:55,066 --> 00:02:57,346 Speaker 1: So you got those four, which I agree. Then on 48 00:02:57,386 --> 00:03:01,226 Speaker 1: the a f C, it's like quarterback Heaven and you're 49 00:03:01,226 --> 00:03:06,386 Speaker 1: talking about Mahomes, Alan Borrow, and then maybe the next 50 00:03:06,506 --> 00:03:10,226 Speaker 1: dude is Trevor Lawrence. Look, I work for the NFL, 51 00:03:10,866 --> 00:03:14,106 Speaker 1: I work for Fox Sports. I work for I heart. 52 00:03:14,506 --> 00:03:17,786 Speaker 1: Of course it's in my best interest for high ratings 53 00:03:17,826 --> 00:03:20,666 Speaker 1: and for great fit. But if you're telling me pick 54 00:03:20,786 --> 00:03:24,946 Speaker 1: eight teams, pick two matchups in the a f C 55 00:03:25,106 --> 00:03:27,626 Speaker 1: this weekend, Pick two matchups in the NFC this weekend, 56 00:03:27,666 --> 00:03:30,186 Speaker 1: seed the teams, if you asked me to do that, 57 00:03:30,266 --> 00:03:32,186 Speaker 1: I might draw it up this way. I might draw 58 00:03:32,226 --> 00:03:35,626 Speaker 1: it up as an old school NFC East battle between 59 00:03:35,666 --> 00:03:39,146 Speaker 1: the Giants and the Eagles, And then Sunday you get 60 00:03:39,186 --> 00:03:42,506 Speaker 1: that classic rivalry going back to you know, even before 61 00:03:42,506 --> 00:03:45,226 Speaker 1: the catch. There's a famous stallback game against the Niners. 62 00:03:45,266 --> 00:03:46,426 Speaker 1: But then you got the catch, and you got the 63 00:03:46,826 --> 00:03:50,626 Speaker 1: two NFC Championship game, the NFC Championship game, the ninety 64 00:03:50,706 --> 00:03:54,306 Speaker 1: five NFC Championship game. I heard up till last year 65 00:03:54,306 --> 00:03:56,666 Speaker 1: they had a great divisional round or wild card round 66 00:03:56,666 --> 00:03:58,786 Speaker 1: game where Dak you know, the clock went out. Gosh, 67 00:03:58,826 --> 00:04:00,546 Speaker 1: that's awesome. And then in the a f C, you're 68 00:04:00,546 --> 00:04:02,586 Speaker 1: getting four quarterbacks that are the future of the sport. 69 00:04:02,626 --> 00:04:04,786 Speaker 1: And you could have interchanged Herbert with Lawrence whatever. I 70 00:04:04,826 --> 00:04:06,066 Speaker 1: out of taking either one of them. But this is 71 00:04:06,106 --> 00:04:08,306 Speaker 1: how it's should be. These are the eight teams. No 72 00:04:08,426 --> 00:04:11,346 Speaker 1: complaints here. Uh, the networks have to be thrilled. The 73 00:04:11,426 --> 00:04:15,586 Speaker 1: NFL has got to be thrilled. Great great games, great 74 00:04:15,626 --> 00:04:19,146 Speaker 1: great logos, and some amazing stories. And if you're in 75 00:04:19,186 --> 00:04:21,226 Speaker 1: for the Brock party story, it's there for you. If 76 00:04:21,226 --> 00:04:23,786 Speaker 1: you're in for the Mahomes story, it's there for you. 77 00:04:23,826 --> 00:04:26,906 Speaker 1: If you're in for the Buffalo Bills incredible roller coaster 78 00:04:26,986 --> 00:04:29,906 Speaker 1: season story, it's there. And then how about this the 79 00:04:30,026 --> 00:04:33,426 Speaker 1: Rams their home watching the Bengals, everyone said, well, it's 80 00:04:33,466 --> 00:04:36,426 Speaker 1: hard to to to get back to this rule. Bengals 81 00:04:36,426 --> 00:04:39,146 Speaker 1: have won eight straight games and look good and there 82 00:04:39,186 --> 00:04:42,346 Speaker 1: and there on the on the precipice. So I'm here 83 00:04:42,386 --> 00:04:44,386 Speaker 1: for it. I think the divisional round is gonna be awesome. 84 00:04:44,426 --> 00:04:46,786 Speaker 1: But before we get to, you know, any more matchups 85 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:48,946 Speaker 1: on that, I wanted to talk about some of the 86 00:04:48,986 --> 00:04:50,906 Speaker 1: coaching stuff and some of the news that I made, 87 00:04:50,986 --> 00:04:55,506 Speaker 1: and gosh, I was not I was not expecting. Um 88 00:04:55,706 --> 00:04:59,626 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsburry and I are are friends. And after he 89 00:04:59,666 --> 00:05:02,226 Speaker 1: got let oh, we talked for a while, and then 90 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:04,666 Speaker 1: we talk some more. And then I had multiple teams 91 00:05:04,666 --> 00:05:06,186 Speaker 1: reach out to me and say, oh, I know your 92 00:05:06,186 --> 00:05:09,786 Speaker 1: friends with Cliff, Like, what, what's his deal? We might 93 00:05:09,826 --> 00:05:12,266 Speaker 1: have a job available for him, and ever, here's his number, 94 00:05:12,306 --> 00:05:14,346 Speaker 1: So I would pass cliff number a long, you know whatever. 95 00:05:15,066 --> 00:05:19,666 Speaker 1: Um Cliff had already booked ticket to Thailand, where he 96 00:05:19,746 --> 00:05:24,266 Speaker 1: was going on vacation. Uh. He talked to I'm sure 97 00:05:24,346 --> 00:05:27,706 Speaker 1: some people whether he was interested or not. I'm sure 98 00:05:27,746 --> 00:05:29,666 Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a couple of weeks or 99 00:05:29,706 --> 00:05:32,146 Speaker 1: a month when he returns whenever it is, and maybe 100 00:05:32,146 --> 00:05:34,786 Speaker 1: he will be working next year. We'll see. But Cliff's 101 00:05:34,826 --> 00:05:37,546 Speaker 1: mindset was I'm going to Thailand. It's been a brutal 102 00:05:37,786 --> 00:05:40,106 Speaker 1: last twelve months. I need to clear my head. And 103 00:05:40,346 --> 00:05:43,866 Speaker 1: you know, a guy with no kids, guy who's been 104 00:05:43,906 --> 00:05:47,986 Speaker 1: coaching every day since he was finished as a player's 105 00:05:48,026 --> 00:05:50,706 Speaker 1: been fired already at Texas Tech, took the the O 106 00:05:50,906 --> 00:05:53,426 Speaker 1: C job at the USC, then got offered the head 107 00:05:53,426 --> 00:05:55,546 Speaker 1: coaching job at at the CAR. It's been a whirlwind, 108 00:05:55,986 --> 00:05:58,466 Speaker 1: and he's just taken some time for the first time 109 00:05:58,466 --> 00:06:00,986 Speaker 1: in maybe twenty years, he's taken some time for himself. 110 00:06:01,066 --> 00:06:03,666 Speaker 1: I put that story out there, which I did on 111 00:06:03,666 --> 00:06:05,786 Speaker 1: the podcast last week. Also, I said he's going away 112 00:06:05,786 --> 00:06:07,626 Speaker 1: and he's gonna collect. I did it on the podcast, 113 00:06:07,666 --> 00:06:09,306 Speaker 1: but I put it out there on Sunday on Fox 114 00:06:10,226 --> 00:06:13,546 Speaker 1: Aaron It was a number one trending story on Saturday. 115 00:06:13,666 --> 00:06:17,826 Speaker 1: On Sunday Yesterday, the New York Post, Ryan Glasspiegel does 116 00:06:17,826 --> 00:06:22,266 Speaker 1: a whole piece about it with pictures of his girlfriend Veronica, 117 00:06:22,546 --> 00:06:26,266 Speaker 1: and they're in Thailand and it's a profile on her 118 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:31,426 Speaker 1: and it's Tuesday, and recording this, I had no idea 119 00:06:31,546 --> 00:06:34,226 Speaker 1: this story would take off the way it did. And 120 00:06:35,026 --> 00:06:41,306 Speaker 1: the initial response was how awesome? Like how awesome? In 121 00:06:41,346 --> 00:06:44,946 Speaker 1: a cutthroat world of of you know, go go Go 122 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:48,146 Speaker 1: go doo doo doo do. I think they're the response, 123 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:50,506 Speaker 1: And it came from all angles. It came from people 124 00:06:50,506 --> 00:06:52,346 Speaker 1: in the coaching community who are like good for him, 125 00:06:52,706 --> 00:06:54,546 Speaker 1: people who are fans saying gosh, I wish I could 126 00:06:54,586 --> 00:06:56,506 Speaker 1: do that to my employer and just say, you know, 127 00:06:56,746 --> 00:06:59,066 Speaker 1: screw it, I need to take some time for myself 128 00:07:00,026 --> 00:07:03,466 Speaker 1: or former employer. And then also like I think even 129 00:07:03,546 --> 00:07:06,666 Speaker 1: in like you know, circles of like mental health, like 130 00:07:06,706 --> 00:07:08,946 Speaker 1: I got I got texts and tweets from people in 131 00:07:08,946 --> 00:07:11,866 Speaker 1: the mental health field being like what a beacon, what 132 00:07:12,066 --> 00:07:15,186 Speaker 1: a what an amazing precedent to set that, Like, hey, 133 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:18,226 Speaker 1: it's okay to do you, especially after you know, coaching 134 00:07:18,266 --> 00:07:22,386 Speaker 1: through a pandemic, coaching through uh, the Kyler Murray situation 135 00:07:22,466 --> 00:07:25,906 Speaker 1: this year, coaching through a GM who who took some 136 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:28,546 Speaker 1: time away for his own health reasons. Like I don't know, 137 00:07:29,546 --> 00:07:31,986 Speaker 1: there's a lot of negative. Actually should said there wasn't 138 00:07:31,986 --> 00:07:34,146 Speaker 1: a lot of negative. There was some skeptics, there are 139 00:07:34,146 --> 00:07:37,266 Speaker 1: some people and like I got, oh, yeah, a little 140 00:07:37,306 --> 00:07:40,426 Speaker 1: upset when people were like, yeah, but you know, he's 141 00:07:40,906 --> 00:07:42,746 Speaker 1: a middle finger to the NFL and you don't do that. 142 00:07:43,066 --> 00:07:44,666 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what it was I think Clip 143 00:07:44,746 --> 00:07:46,066 Speaker 1: has been through a lot and he just needs some 144 00:07:46,106 --> 00:07:47,946 Speaker 1: time away, and he's taken that time away. And I 145 00:07:47,986 --> 00:07:51,306 Speaker 1: don't think anything of it. But Aaron, when I say 146 00:07:51,386 --> 00:07:53,266 Speaker 1: the tweet that was put out from Fox and the 147 00:07:53,266 --> 00:07:56,266 Speaker 1: tweet that I put out, I'm not like, Look, I'd 148 00:07:56,266 --> 00:07:58,626 Speaker 1: be a lot wealthier and in a lot better position 149 00:07:58,786 --> 00:08:02,146 Speaker 1: if I was an Instagram superstar or a YouTube influencer 150 00:08:02,306 --> 00:08:05,546 Speaker 1: or a Twitter machine. I'm not. I've report news and 151 00:08:05,586 --> 00:08:07,906 Speaker 1: I give my it's this one. I mean I think 152 00:08:07,946 --> 00:08:09,986 Speaker 1: I had Like I mean, I'm not kidding. The video 153 00:08:10,026 --> 00:08:13,266 Speaker 1: from Fox had like eighteen million views of me just 154 00:08:13,306 --> 00:08:15,306 Speaker 1: saying that the head coach is about a one way 155 00:08:15,346 --> 00:08:17,786 Speaker 1: ticket to Thailand. Were you surprised it took off that 156 00:08:17,866 --> 00:08:20,066 Speaker 1: much or you saw this when you heard me say 157 00:08:20,106 --> 00:08:22,546 Speaker 1: it to you, were you like, oh that's juicy. Yeah, 158 00:08:22,666 --> 00:08:24,146 Speaker 1: when you said it, I was, I was like, oh 159 00:08:24,186 --> 00:08:27,546 Speaker 1: that's a like I'm that's a good nugget. And then Saturday, 160 00:08:27,546 --> 00:08:30,906 Speaker 1: I remember like opening NFL Reddit and being like oh 161 00:08:30,946 --> 00:08:35,786 Speaker 1: my god, like here it is and like so busy. Um. Yeah, 162 00:08:35,866 --> 00:08:39,026 Speaker 1: I mean I can't blame him. Uh. I think you know, 163 00:08:39,106 --> 00:08:41,226 Speaker 1: you go to Thailand, you get some of the best 164 00:08:41,266 --> 00:08:43,826 Speaker 1: street food in the world. Like he's gonna have a 165 00:08:43,826 --> 00:08:46,626 Speaker 1: great time. He's gonna have some amazing food and like 166 00:08:46,706 --> 00:08:50,826 Speaker 1: beautiful scenery, good break. I like it. Yeah, he's a 167 00:08:50,826 --> 00:08:53,266 Speaker 1: great dude, and he's a world traveler and he's one 168 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:56,066 Speaker 1: of these guys that that does this and we'll take 169 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:58,346 Speaker 1: advantage of the moment. But he's also not a disrespectful guy, 170 00:08:58,346 --> 00:09:00,546 Speaker 1: So I don't want it to come off as him like, 171 00:09:00,586 --> 00:09:02,426 Speaker 1: you know, saying, you know what, screw the NFL. That's 172 00:09:02,426 --> 00:09:05,466 Speaker 1: not it. I wouldn't be shocked if he was coaching again. Um, 173 00:09:05,466 --> 00:09:07,426 Speaker 1: maybe not this year, maybe this year. I don't know, 174 00:09:07,546 --> 00:09:10,546 Speaker 1: like not knowing, Like there are a lot of people 175 00:09:10,586 --> 00:09:12,666 Speaker 1: who love Cliff in this league that they say, hey, 176 00:09:12,786 --> 00:09:14,786 Speaker 1: I actually think he's a really good play designer. Like 177 00:09:15,146 --> 00:09:17,386 Speaker 1: you can come work for us, and you don't have to, 178 00:09:18,106 --> 00:09:21,146 Speaker 1: you know, be here in February working on draft boards. 179 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:24,986 Speaker 1: You can come in July or August or whatever. Uh 180 00:09:25,026 --> 00:09:27,746 Speaker 1: so to to tie the lupe so I so, of 181 00:09:27,786 --> 00:09:29,466 Speaker 1: course me if you if you have listened to the 182 00:09:29,506 --> 00:09:32,706 Speaker 1: podcast and you you know me and Aaron sometimes when 183 00:09:32,746 --> 00:09:33,946 Speaker 1: we have a good interview with a coach, I'm like, 184 00:09:33,986 --> 00:09:35,386 Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't put that out. It might not put 185 00:09:35,386 --> 00:09:36,986 Speaker 1: them in the best light. Like I had a pit 186 00:09:37,066 --> 00:09:38,986 Speaker 1: in my stomach, like a real pit in my stomach, 187 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:40,906 Speaker 1: and I'm like, do I reach out to Cliff, like 188 00:09:40,906 --> 00:09:42,546 Speaker 1: I didn't know this would go this way. He's here 189 00:09:42,586 --> 00:09:44,106 Speaker 1: on a vacation, like if this looks like I was 190 00:09:44,146 --> 00:09:46,266 Speaker 1: being selfish like putting this out as like my news 191 00:09:46,266 --> 00:09:48,786 Speaker 1: went in truth, it's about him and he needs to 192 00:09:48,786 --> 00:09:50,186 Speaker 1: get some time away and the last thing he wants 193 00:09:50,186 --> 00:09:51,786 Speaker 1: to do is turn on his phone and be trending 194 00:09:51,826 --> 00:09:54,226 Speaker 1: on Twitter. This dude is such a good guy. He 195 00:09:54,266 --> 00:09:57,706 Speaker 1: reaches out to me and says, hey, I saw saw 196 00:09:57,866 --> 00:10:00,186 Speaker 1: the stuff. Don't sweat it. You're a good man, You're 197 00:10:00,186 --> 00:10:03,146 Speaker 1: a good soul, Like just you know, I hope you're 198 00:10:03,146 --> 00:10:05,426 Speaker 1: doing great and keep on crushing the NFL season and 199 00:10:05,466 --> 00:10:07,586 Speaker 1: do the best job you can. And I'm like, oh 200 00:10:07,626 --> 00:10:09,386 Speaker 1: my god, I could wrap my arms around him. I'm like, 201 00:10:09,466 --> 00:10:11,906 Speaker 1: that's such grace because a lot of a lot of 202 00:10:11,906 --> 00:10:14,186 Speaker 1: guys in my position, and I like all those guys 203 00:10:14,186 --> 00:10:16,306 Speaker 1: like I don't know how they sleep with it. Sometimes 204 00:10:16,306 --> 00:10:19,506 Speaker 1: when it's like here's the gossip, this coach is getting fired, 205 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:23,626 Speaker 1: and it's like God, there's a human element to it, 206 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:26,786 Speaker 1: and it's like the wind of reporting that versus the 207 00:10:28,026 --> 00:10:30,666 Speaker 1: like the stress of like the guy's family finding out 208 00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:33,186 Speaker 1: on Twitter or your bottom line ticker and gosh, like 209 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:35,466 Speaker 1: they're so good at what they do. I think schefter 210 00:10:35,586 --> 00:10:38,626 Speaker 1: and rap report those two right now are like the 211 00:10:38,706 --> 00:10:40,626 Speaker 1: day to day like you know, breaking the news and 212 00:10:40,666 --> 00:10:43,466 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's it takes a lot of 213 00:10:43,866 --> 00:10:45,906 Speaker 1: you know, it takes a lot of negotiating in your 214 00:10:45,906 --> 00:10:47,946 Speaker 1: head what to report one not to report this one 215 00:10:47,986 --> 00:10:50,146 Speaker 1: to me, I thought was like a fun, silly piece. 216 00:10:50,306 --> 00:10:53,586 Speaker 1: I wasn't firing Cliff Kingsbury. And yet when it went 217 00:10:53,626 --> 00:10:55,226 Speaker 1: as viral as it did, and like the amount of 218 00:10:55,226 --> 00:10:58,826 Speaker 1: people that reached out, I'm talking like celebrities like that 219 00:10:58,906 --> 00:11:02,226 Speaker 1: I don't know tweeting me. And then you know coaches 220 00:11:02,226 --> 00:11:04,586 Speaker 1: that I don't have relationships with with like unknown numbers 221 00:11:04,586 --> 00:11:07,746 Speaker 1: being like hey it's blank saw the Kingsbury thing. F Yeah, 222 00:11:07,826 --> 00:11:10,666 Speaker 1: like finally someone and it's like I was blown away 223 00:11:10,706 --> 00:11:13,146 Speaker 1: by it. Um, But Cliff, as we record this is 224 00:11:13,146 --> 00:11:15,906 Speaker 1: still in Thailand. If you're if you're over in Thailand 225 00:11:15,906 --> 00:11:18,626 Speaker 1: and you see him snap a pick just to give proof. Um, 226 00:11:18,786 --> 00:11:22,706 Speaker 1: we'll see how that all plays out. The other story 227 00:11:22,786 --> 00:11:24,586 Speaker 1: that I had that that kind of went pig was 228 00:11:24,586 --> 00:11:26,946 Speaker 1: that mcveigh's coming back, and I broke that one in 229 00:11:26,986 --> 00:11:30,186 Speaker 1: a so many ways on Friday, but then on Saturday 230 00:11:31,226 --> 00:11:33,306 Speaker 1: on The Fox Show, explained that there's going to be 231 00:11:33,346 --> 00:11:37,986 Speaker 1: staff changes made. I talked to Sean for a while yesterday. 232 00:11:38,026 --> 00:11:40,546 Speaker 1: This is Tuesday. He talked to him yesterday. He's invigorated, 233 00:11:40,586 --> 00:11:43,066 Speaker 1: like he's back. He's he I thought he's gonna take 234 00:11:43,106 --> 00:11:47,106 Speaker 1: three months. He took three days. He's just wired in 235 00:11:47,146 --> 00:11:50,106 Speaker 1: a way that's like I can't I can't give up 236 00:11:50,106 --> 00:11:51,826 Speaker 1: on these guys, and I just don't want to be 237 00:11:51,946 --> 00:11:54,386 Speaker 1: that guy who quit when the going got tough. And 238 00:11:54,386 --> 00:11:57,386 Speaker 1: I explained it on this podcast that he's been through 239 00:11:57,466 --> 00:12:00,146 Speaker 1: so much on a personal level and not talking real 240 00:12:00,186 --> 00:12:01,906 Speaker 1: stuff like I went up to get into all the details, 241 00:12:01,906 --> 00:12:05,506 Speaker 1: but real stuff death of family members and and his 242 00:12:05,586 --> 00:12:08,346 Speaker 1: in law's family in in the Ukraine, like real stuff. 243 00:12:09,186 --> 00:12:12,426 Speaker 1: He's he's dealing with that too, um. But his whole 244 00:12:12,426 --> 00:12:15,786 Speaker 1: thing was he wanted to find the joy and football again, 245 00:12:15,826 --> 00:12:17,546 Speaker 1: and he not that he had lost it, but like 246 00:12:17,626 --> 00:12:22,066 Speaker 1: he had this like feverish pursuit in Seen and eighteen 247 00:12:22,386 --> 00:12:24,826 Speaker 1: and then they won it last year, and like he 248 00:12:24,986 --> 00:12:29,586 Speaker 1: still has that desire to have that same joy, and 249 00:12:29,626 --> 00:12:31,626 Speaker 1: it was kind of like, so one of the things 250 00:12:31,706 --> 00:12:33,546 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be working on is building up a 251 00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:35,666 Speaker 1: different staff. And there's nothing against the guys who helped 252 00:12:35,746 --> 00:12:37,706 Speaker 1: him win the Super Bowl title, and some guys who 253 00:12:38,106 --> 00:12:39,826 Speaker 1: were in the building last year that weren't with Super 254 00:12:39,826 --> 00:12:42,466 Speaker 1: Bowl title that are gonna be elsewhere moving forward. But 255 00:12:42,506 --> 00:12:44,146 Speaker 1: I think he just is like, I need to surround 256 00:12:44,186 --> 00:12:45,866 Speaker 1: it with myself as different guys. I need to mix 257 00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:48,026 Speaker 1: it up. I'm gonna take some time, um, and I'm 258 00:12:48,066 --> 00:12:51,106 Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of time on me, which sounds 259 00:12:51,386 --> 00:12:54,386 Speaker 1: selfish or it sounds like, you know, everything opposite of 260 00:12:54,426 --> 00:12:57,866 Speaker 1: team sports. But um, in the last few years, Mcveisman 261 00:12:57,906 --> 00:13:01,026 Speaker 1: spread very thin. He's burned it on both ends, and 262 00:13:01,106 --> 00:13:04,266 Speaker 1: the result was just a burnt out cat who you know, 263 00:13:04,506 --> 00:13:06,506 Speaker 1: was trying to muster up every piece of energy. He 264 00:13:06,626 --> 00:13:09,826 Speaker 1: can't to coach a team that was obviously injured and undermanned, 265 00:13:10,266 --> 00:13:12,026 Speaker 1: and he's like, I didn't like the person I was, 266 00:13:12,106 --> 00:13:14,066 Speaker 1: I didn't like the coach I was, and I just 267 00:13:14,106 --> 00:13:17,066 Speaker 1: need to be cognizant of it. So I think we've 268 00:13:17,066 --> 00:13:19,386 Speaker 1: talked in mental health with Cliff Kingsbury. I think there's 269 00:13:19,386 --> 00:13:22,386 Speaker 1: a mental health aspect to how Sean McVeigh approaches um 270 00:13:22,546 --> 00:13:25,506 Speaker 1: the future of his coaching career. And I'd be very 271 00:13:25,546 --> 00:13:28,746 Speaker 1: surprised if if he wasn't open and honest and vulnerable 272 00:13:28,826 --> 00:13:30,706 Speaker 1: and how he's approaching that and how he can have 273 00:13:30,786 --> 00:13:33,586 Speaker 1: more of a work life balance and uh, be a 274 00:13:33,626 --> 00:13:35,426 Speaker 1: better coach, be a better man, be a better friend, 275 00:13:35,466 --> 00:13:37,026 Speaker 1: be a better fan member, all that stuff, and not 276 00:13:37,106 --> 00:13:40,346 Speaker 1: be so obsessive. And because the only way he's known 277 00:13:40,346 --> 00:13:42,346 Speaker 1: it is it goes back to like the gruten way. 278 00:13:42,386 --> 00:13:44,586 Speaker 1: It goes back to his grandfather's way of like you're 279 00:13:44,586 --> 00:13:46,346 Speaker 1: in at two thirty in the morning and you're grinding 280 00:13:46,346 --> 00:13:48,226 Speaker 1: tape and you're just going, going, going, going, And he 281 00:13:48,266 --> 00:13:50,386 Speaker 1: realized he wasn't happy doing that. So I don't think 282 00:13:50,426 --> 00:13:51,826 Speaker 1: i'm speaking out of turn. I asked him to come 283 00:13:51,866 --> 00:13:54,826 Speaker 1: on the podcast this week. He said, Uh, that time 284 00:13:54,866 --> 00:13:56,986 Speaker 1: will come. He's still taking some time to just kind 285 00:13:56,986 --> 00:14:00,146 Speaker 1: of lay low um, which I appreciate. The last piece 286 00:14:00,826 --> 00:14:03,066 Speaker 1: and then we'll get to to our guest, who's gonna 287 00:14:03,066 --> 00:14:05,786 Speaker 1: be awesome. By the way, the last piece is the 288 00:14:06,706 --> 00:14:09,826 Speaker 1: Sean Payton sweepstakes as I will update this as if 289 00:14:09,826 --> 00:14:14,506 Speaker 1: I'm like following Panda Watch or something. Um, it is 290 00:14:14,506 --> 00:14:17,266 Speaker 1: officially January seventeenth, which on your calendar might be the 291 00:14:17,346 --> 00:14:19,066 Speaker 1: day after Martin Luther King Day. It might be the 292 00:14:19,146 --> 00:14:22,946 Speaker 1: second or third Tuesday in January, or it's Sean Payton 293 00:14:22,986 --> 00:14:27,386 Speaker 1: can interview Day. He can officially do interviews today. I 294 00:14:27,426 --> 00:14:30,066 Speaker 1: don't know if it's reported or not. Denver I believe 295 00:14:30,186 --> 00:14:34,306 Speaker 1: is on the docket and they will be coming to him, 296 00:14:34,346 --> 00:14:37,066 Speaker 1: which I think is uh kind of a boss move. 297 00:14:37,266 --> 00:14:39,306 Speaker 1: You got these new owners up in Denver and they'll 298 00:14:39,306 --> 00:14:41,186 Speaker 1: be flying to l A to meet with him on 299 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:44,346 Speaker 1: his grounds always like there's always like little stuff like this. 300 00:14:44,386 --> 00:14:47,586 Speaker 1: It's almost like a chessboard and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Um. 301 00:14:47,626 --> 00:14:51,306 Speaker 1: He will meet with the Houston owners Cal McNair and 302 00:14:51,466 --> 00:14:55,466 Speaker 1: I believe Nick Serio, who is the current GM and 303 00:14:56,466 --> 00:14:58,426 Speaker 1: from what I gather from everything we're here in to Houston, 304 00:14:58,506 --> 00:15:00,706 Speaker 1: Nick's job is not in jeopardy. After they fired love 305 00:15:00,746 --> 00:15:02,106 Speaker 1: It it it was like Nicks might be gone, but it 306 00:15:02,146 --> 00:15:06,066 Speaker 1: sounds like Nick is gonna be okay and safe and 307 00:15:06,066 --> 00:15:09,106 Speaker 1: at the end of the week he will be flying 308 00:15:09,186 --> 00:15:13,466 Speaker 1: to New York to interview with David Tepper, the owner 309 00:15:13,586 --> 00:15:17,986 Speaker 1: of the Carolina Panthers, which is interesting because the Saints 310 00:15:17,986 --> 00:15:21,386 Speaker 1: are in the same division as the Carolina Panthers. The 311 00:15:21,426 --> 00:15:25,346 Speaker 1: Saints have to trade Sean Payton to whoever he goes 312 00:15:25,386 --> 00:15:28,906 Speaker 1: to and have to get draft picks back. The question 313 00:15:28,986 --> 00:15:32,346 Speaker 1: I have is, are the Saints offering are asking for 314 00:15:32,386 --> 00:15:34,786 Speaker 1: the same stuff from the Panthers that they would from 315 00:15:34,906 --> 00:15:38,946 Speaker 1: the Texans or from the Broncos. The Broncos and the 316 00:15:38,986 --> 00:15:42,546 Speaker 1: Texans they are non threats to the New Orleans Saints. 317 00:15:42,626 --> 00:15:45,746 Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers they will face twice a year and 318 00:15:45,786 --> 00:15:48,346 Speaker 1: their fans have to watch Sean Payton and Panthers at 319 00:15:49,026 --> 00:15:51,426 Speaker 1: I'd be intrigued to see how those negotiations go down, 320 00:15:51,466 --> 00:15:54,746 Speaker 1: if they even get to that point. Um two other 321 00:15:54,826 --> 00:15:57,666 Speaker 1: teams were they were thinking it was gonna be Arizona. 322 00:15:57,946 --> 00:16:00,986 Speaker 1: They just hired their GM and there's been no official 323 00:16:01,026 --> 00:16:03,226 Speaker 1: word as to when he is interviewing with Arizona. I 324 00:16:03,226 --> 00:16:05,666 Speaker 1: believe they asked for permission, but I haven't heard anything 325 00:16:05,706 --> 00:16:08,546 Speaker 1: about that. In the Indianapolis, Colt seemed that there was 326 00:16:08,586 --> 00:16:11,586 Speaker 1: nothing there. So right now it looks like three teams, 327 00:16:11,786 --> 00:16:15,626 Speaker 1: and as we record this on Tuesday, Brandon Staley seems 328 00:16:15,666 --> 00:16:17,346 Speaker 1: to be the head coach of the Chargers that kind 329 00:16:17,346 --> 00:16:20,106 Speaker 1: of blew up big on Saturday night after that all 330 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:22,306 Speaker 1: time collapse, and then Sunday everyone was waiting for the 331 00:16:22,346 --> 00:16:24,146 Speaker 1: other shooter drop. Then Monday everyone was waiting for the 332 00:16:24,186 --> 00:16:26,786 Speaker 1: other shooter drop. Staley is still the coach right now, 333 00:16:26,866 --> 00:16:30,546 Speaker 1: and as much as Sean Payton in l A is 334 00:16:30,586 --> 00:16:33,106 Speaker 1: a perfect fit because of the young quarterback, but also 335 00:16:33,146 --> 00:16:35,426 Speaker 1: he's already living there now and he loves it. Trust me, 336 00:16:35,546 --> 00:16:38,466 Speaker 1: he loves it. Um. He talks about his life in 337 00:16:38,506 --> 00:16:41,786 Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach to me often and he and his wife 338 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,946 Speaker 1: sky Lean are like as as happy as could be 339 00:16:44,146 --> 00:16:46,266 Speaker 1: living in l A right now. Um, I don't think 340 00:16:46,266 --> 00:16:47,866 Speaker 1: that job is going to be open as of now. 341 00:16:48,026 --> 00:16:52,066 Speaker 1: As we record this on Tuesday, they did they just uh, 342 00:16:52,226 --> 00:16:55,466 Speaker 1: news just broke that they fired Lombardi. So I assume 343 00:16:55,586 --> 00:17:01,906 Speaker 1: that means stay. I think so. I think so good nugget. Ironically, 344 00:17:02,386 --> 00:17:08,106 Speaker 1: Lombardi was one of Peyton's old offensive coordinators in New Orlean. Um, yeah, 345 00:17:08,226 --> 00:17:10,986 Speaker 1: that was the expectation they'd make some staff changes. But 346 00:17:11,026 --> 00:17:13,426 Speaker 1: I think Brandon's okay and the players came out like 347 00:17:13,586 --> 00:17:16,786 Speaker 1: really positive on Brandon Staley. Afterwards, we chose, you know, 348 00:17:16,986 --> 00:17:19,426 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise after that kind of loss, and then the 349 00:17:19,466 --> 00:17:22,066 Speaker 1: other ones to Cowboys, how do you fire Mike McCarthy, 350 00:17:22,106 --> 00:17:24,626 Speaker 1: like everyone thought if they you know, absolutely blew it, 351 00:17:24,666 --> 00:17:26,466 Speaker 1: that that might be a conversation. Mike McCarthy has had 352 00:17:26,506 --> 00:17:29,066 Speaker 1: a perfect performance. We'll see how what happens in Sancisco. 353 00:17:29,066 --> 00:17:31,506 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna count anything out, but I don't know 354 00:17:31,546 --> 00:17:34,626 Speaker 1: if Jerry's looking to fire Mike McCarthy after two thirt 355 00:17:34,866 --> 00:17:38,066 Speaker 1: win seasons and two straight years to the playoffs, a 356 00:17:38,106 --> 00:17:40,146 Speaker 1: playoff win, Like, I don't know. It seems like the 357 00:17:40,186 --> 00:17:43,906 Speaker 1: Cowboys have a pretty good coach and to have to 358 00:17:44,026 --> 00:17:47,386 Speaker 1: trade for Sean Payton, pay out McCarthy, pay mcpayton what 359 00:17:47,386 --> 00:17:49,706 Speaker 1: he wants. That doesn't seem as likely now as it 360 00:17:49,786 --> 00:17:51,626 Speaker 1: might have might have seemed a couple of weeks ago 361 00:17:51,666 --> 00:17:53,906 Speaker 1: after they lost like the Washington Commanders in a Week 362 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:57,386 Speaker 1: eight team game. So that's the lay of the land there. Um, 363 00:17:57,666 --> 00:18:00,186 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit Lamar Jackson later in this podcast. We're 364 00:18:00,226 --> 00:18:03,186 Speaker 1: gonna hit some Tom Brady, We're gonna hit Mike McDaniel. 365 00:18:03,226 --> 00:18:05,786 Speaker 1: Was he vaping or not. Um, we're gonna hit all that. 366 00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:09,346 Speaker 1: And our guest is one of my favorite people in 367 00:18:09,386 --> 00:18:11,386 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's a guy that I used to love 368 00:18:11,506 --> 00:18:15,386 Speaker 1: covering as an analyst. It's amazing my path to him. 369 00:18:15,426 --> 00:18:17,266 Speaker 1: His dad took me under his wing a little bit 370 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:20,706 Speaker 1: at Fox Sports when I was uh brought over from 371 00:18:20,706 --> 00:18:24,786 Speaker 1: the sidelines of the studios, like really good dude, his father, 372 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:27,706 Speaker 1: and then I got to meet his son, and I 373 00:18:27,746 --> 00:18:31,306 Speaker 1: think we're like kindred spirits from a different time. Uh. 374 00:18:31,346 --> 00:18:33,746 Speaker 1: That guy's Chris Long. We're gonna have Chris Long on 375 00:18:33,786 --> 00:18:40,186 Speaker 1: the podcast after this. As I mentioned earlier, it's one 376 00:18:40,226 --> 00:18:42,386 Speaker 1: of my favorite people I've met in the NFL. I 377 00:18:42,426 --> 00:18:45,306 Speaker 1: initially got to know his father really well, and then 378 00:18:45,626 --> 00:18:47,786 Speaker 1: now we've got a really cool friendship. I think he's 379 00:18:48,306 --> 00:18:51,026 Speaker 1: got as good insights as anybody, and it's often on Twitter, 380 00:18:51,026 --> 00:18:53,506 Speaker 1: it's also on his podcast. Uh, and just says a 381 00:18:53,506 --> 00:18:55,586 Speaker 1: fresh look at the game from an ex player's perspective, 382 00:18:55,586 --> 00:18:57,666 Speaker 1: which is crazy to say because he is an ex 383 00:18:57,706 --> 00:19:00,866 Speaker 1: player now a couple of years removed. Uh, let's welcome 384 00:19:00,946 --> 00:19:03,626 Speaker 1: in the man, Chris Long. Chris how you doing man? 385 00:19:04,306 --> 00:19:07,826 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing great? You know there's so 386 00:19:07,866 --> 00:19:10,946 Speaker 1: many fun storylines to the games, but I always find 387 00:19:10,986 --> 00:19:14,546 Speaker 1: myself fixated on, like some of the offseason stuff that 388 00:19:14,706 --> 00:19:17,826 Speaker 1: is already percolating. Uh. I said in my intro here 389 00:19:17,906 --> 00:19:21,186 Speaker 1: my monologue, I broke the Kingsbury story, and I didn't 390 00:19:21,466 --> 00:19:23,066 Speaker 1: in a million years, Chris, I didn't think that thing 391 00:19:23,146 --> 00:19:24,586 Speaker 1: was going to go as big as it did. And 392 00:19:24,586 --> 00:19:26,426 Speaker 1: I almost had this pit in my stomach that like 393 00:19:26,466 --> 00:19:29,466 Speaker 1: I was violating some trust with Clift, even though I 394 00:19:29,466 --> 00:19:31,386 Speaker 1: know he has no problem with it. We've texted since. 395 00:19:32,786 --> 00:19:34,546 Speaker 1: Why did that story take off so much that a 396 00:19:34,586 --> 00:19:36,506 Speaker 1: head coach was going to Thailand and going on a 397 00:19:36,546 --> 00:19:38,306 Speaker 1: one way ticket? Why do you think that blew up 398 00:19:38,306 --> 00:19:39,946 Speaker 1: the way it did? Because I'm still coming to grips 399 00:19:39,986 --> 00:19:42,346 Speaker 1: with why that was such a fascination everywhere. Okay, there's 400 00:19:42,386 --> 00:19:45,306 Speaker 1: a few factors. Number one, he's young, he's good looking. 401 00:19:45,506 --> 00:19:49,146 Speaker 1: That's what they say. Um, it seems like a fun 402 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:53,346 Speaker 1: place to go. Uh. It's also a very un NFL 403 00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:56,946 Speaker 1: head coach like thing to do. Like, we have certain 404 00:19:57,026 --> 00:20:00,546 Speaker 1: things that governed the schedule in our year, and woman 405 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:02,906 Speaker 1: was like, you get fired, you want to work the phones, 406 00:20:02,986 --> 00:20:05,386 Speaker 1: you you want to be close to home. The whole thing. 407 00:20:05,426 --> 00:20:08,746 Speaker 1: I can remember being in in East Africa, climbing kilimanjar 408 00:20:08,826 --> 00:20:11,386 Speaker 1: Oh as a free agent using a SAT phone, trying 409 00:20:11,386 --> 00:20:14,066 Speaker 1: to trying to get ahold of people. And I knew 410 00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:16,586 Speaker 1: that when I went on the trip, uh, there was 411 00:20:16,586 --> 00:20:18,746 Speaker 1: a good chance that maybe I get passed up for 412 00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:20,986 Speaker 1: somebody because I was asleep, or I couldn't get to 413 00:20:21,026 --> 00:20:23,906 Speaker 1: the sat phone or they can't reach me. And you know, 414 00:20:23,986 --> 00:20:26,746 Speaker 1: like sometimes you just make decisions where you're like, I 415 00:20:26,826 --> 00:20:29,706 Speaker 1: need to put myself in my peace of mind first. 416 00:20:30,306 --> 00:20:34,186 Speaker 1: And it sounds like Cliff, who is probably justifiably burnt 417 00:20:34,186 --> 00:20:39,146 Speaker 1: out and uh and and and needed some space just said, 418 00:20:39,506 --> 00:20:42,386 Speaker 1: which I think is such a different thing to do 419 00:20:42,666 --> 00:20:45,066 Speaker 1: for an NFL head coach or a guy who just 420 00:20:45,146 --> 00:20:47,466 Speaker 1: got can So I thought it was cool. I think 421 00:20:47,466 --> 00:20:52,266 Speaker 1: everybody fantasizes about just getting out of dodge, right and 422 00:20:52,386 --> 00:20:55,026 Speaker 1: like the dude actually did it, and uh, I don't. 423 00:20:55,346 --> 00:20:58,106 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's still in contact with teams over there 424 00:20:58,106 --> 00:21:00,786 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, but it's it's not traditional 425 00:21:01,226 --> 00:21:04,746 Speaker 1: um And and Thailand also, I think is has become 426 00:21:04,786 --> 00:21:08,746 Speaker 1: a place of intrigues and the hangover. I think there's 427 00:21:08,746 --> 00:21:10,946 Speaker 1: a whole lot of factors that lead to that being 428 00:21:11,026 --> 00:21:15,106 Speaker 1: a pretty provocative story. Um, but it's not what you 429 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:18,306 Speaker 1: imagine we were texting. I was imagining he was over 430 00:21:18,346 --> 00:21:22,466 Speaker 1: there just partying and you know, just letting loose and um, 431 00:21:22,506 --> 00:21:25,066 Speaker 1: you know, he just is getting some space and and 432 00:21:25,146 --> 00:21:28,746 Speaker 1: needed a trip. So and I love it too, and 433 00:21:28,786 --> 00:21:32,106 Speaker 1: I said. The amount of responses I got them were 434 00:21:32,106 --> 00:21:34,546 Speaker 1: positive from funny people on Twitter with memes and all 435 00:21:34,546 --> 00:21:38,066 Speaker 1: that stuff. But the coaching community, so many coaches reached 436 00:21:38,066 --> 00:21:39,746 Speaker 1: out to me, guys whose numbers I don't have where 437 00:21:39,746 --> 00:21:41,666 Speaker 1: it says like unknown number and it's like high Peter. 438 00:21:41,786 --> 00:21:45,266 Speaker 1: I'm blank blank, and I am the special Teams coordinator 439 00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:47,506 Speaker 1: with Team X. I just want to tell you, if 440 00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:49,986 Speaker 1: you speak to Cliff, tell him hell, yeah, that is awesome. 441 00:21:50,146 --> 00:21:52,626 Speaker 1: Like everyone like using me as a conduit to like 442 00:21:52,866 --> 00:21:55,666 Speaker 1: thank him for it. The other aspect was like a 443 00:21:55,706 --> 00:21:59,426 Speaker 1: strong like mental health community like outreach of like yes 444 00:21:59,506 --> 00:22:01,946 Speaker 1: and today's day and age, Yes, it's okay to just 445 00:22:03,306 --> 00:22:05,386 Speaker 1: And that's what every everybody's got, that anim where they 446 00:22:05,466 --> 00:22:07,946 Speaker 1: fantasize about just getting out of dodge. I know I 447 00:22:08,026 --> 00:22:11,426 Speaker 1: do all the time, but we have things to constrain 448 00:22:11,546 --> 00:22:14,146 Speaker 1: us and keep us home. And keep us busy. And 449 00:22:14,186 --> 00:22:16,706 Speaker 1: so I think a little part of everybody did a 450 00:22:16,746 --> 00:22:18,786 Speaker 1: fist pump when they heard that Cliff was on a 451 00:22:18,826 --> 00:22:21,986 Speaker 1: flight to Thailand. And then also meme culture. You know, 452 00:22:22,026 --> 00:22:25,666 Speaker 1: it's just fun to imagine Cliff Kingsbury. You can people 453 00:22:25,666 --> 00:22:29,306 Speaker 1: were putting up graphics Cliff Kingsbury to Thailand. You know, 454 00:22:29,426 --> 00:22:32,746 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsberry on a flight to Thailand, one way ticket, 455 00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:35,146 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So it was like fun and 456 00:22:35,186 --> 00:22:37,186 Speaker 1: it was like good for the guy. I mean, it's 457 00:22:37,186 --> 00:22:41,666 Speaker 1: so easy I feel like now to just be so 458 00:22:41,746 --> 00:22:44,146 Speaker 1: hard on coaches, like he didn't do a good job, 459 00:22:44,426 --> 00:22:47,666 Speaker 1: he got canned, there were there were factors there that 460 00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:49,626 Speaker 1: that were probably out of his control. It didn't seem 461 00:22:49,666 --> 00:22:52,666 Speaker 1: like a joy to coach Kyler Murray at times. UM. 462 00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:56,626 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is these are people, and I 463 00:22:56,626 --> 00:22:58,986 Speaker 1: think sometimes we can go so hard on these people, 464 00:22:59,706 --> 00:23:02,666 Speaker 1: um that that it can be kind of ugly. Uh. 465 00:23:02,706 --> 00:23:06,666 Speaker 1: And I feel like for Cliff uh to just get 466 00:23:06,666 --> 00:23:09,386 Speaker 1: away from it and not hear the noise and be 467 00:23:09,546 --> 00:23:13,306 Speaker 1: somewhere else is it's also not a bad a bad strategy. 468 00:23:13,746 --> 00:23:16,786 Speaker 1: I also like, you know, another head coach called me 469 00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:19,866 Speaker 1: and was like, you know, anyone who's like, because there 470 00:23:19,946 --> 00:23:23,066 Speaker 1: was a small contingent and some you know, sports media 471 00:23:23,146 --> 00:23:27,986 Speaker 1: people and some NFL writers being like, it's a it's 472 00:23:27,986 --> 00:23:29,626 Speaker 1: a real f you to the league, and it's not 473 00:23:29,666 --> 00:23:31,906 Speaker 1: fair to all the different guys who don't have that, 474 00:23:32,026 --> 00:23:33,786 Speaker 1: and like, why would you do that? Why would why would? 475 00:23:33,826 --> 00:23:35,666 Speaker 1: Why would you boast about it? And he didn't boast 476 00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:37,546 Speaker 1: about it. I reported, and I don't. I sort of 477 00:23:37,546 --> 00:23:40,106 Speaker 1: regret doing it even I don't really I'm having a 478 00:23:40,146 --> 00:23:42,586 Speaker 1: weird time with it, to be honest, because times sometimes 479 00:23:42,666 --> 00:23:46,066 Speaker 1: saying something that's true, uh, and and feeling like I 480 00:23:46,106 --> 00:23:47,986 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been the one to say it, you know, 481 00:23:48,066 --> 00:23:50,546 Speaker 1: and I feel like I've betrayed um. So he's got 482 00:23:50,586 --> 00:23:53,146 Speaker 1: such such an amazing heart and grace, like I'd sit 483 00:23:53,186 --> 00:23:56,946 Speaker 1: in the bottom proactively. He he texted me, it was like, dude, 484 00:23:56,946 --> 00:23:59,066 Speaker 1: this thing went wild. It's all good. I love you, brother, Like, 485 00:23:59,186 --> 00:24:01,146 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what. So he's he's cool. 486 00:24:01,226 --> 00:24:03,786 Speaker 1: But I didn't. I didn't feel great, like how was 487 00:24:03,826 --> 00:24:07,826 Speaker 1: in the middle finger to the league. So there's thoughts 488 00:24:07,866 --> 00:24:09,786 Speaker 1: that like you should be rushing back to be the 489 00:24:09,906 --> 00:24:12,466 Speaker 1: quarterback coach of the New Orleans Saints or something. And 490 00:24:12,506 --> 00:24:14,666 Speaker 1: that was my point. It's like he just got fired. 491 00:24:14,706 --> 00:24:16,666 Speaker 1: There's no rule that you have to be the offensive 492 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:18,946 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Patriots if you're fired as a head coach, 493 00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:23,986 Speaker 1: especially not a week afterwards. So you have to have 494 00:24:24,026 --> 00:24:26,306 Speaker 1: two head coaches fired to be the offensive coordinator of 495 00:24:26,306 --> 00:24:31,266 Speaker 1: the Patriots. That's right. You have multiple guys just kind 496 00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:35,626 Speaker 1: of working both levers um, he's awesome. He'll come back 497 00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:37,786 Speaker 1: from Thailand, he's not living there, and he'll be back 498 00:24:37,826 --> 00:24:40,266 Speaker 1: and maybe he'll work next time. He might, he might. 499 00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:43,586 Speaker 1: I think he's coming back, but maybe he'll work next year. 500 00:24:43,626 --> 00:24:44,986 Speaker 1: And like he's got enough friends in the league where 501 00:24:44,986 --> 00:24:47,586 Speaker 1: if he needed to, you know, it's scratch that itch. Fine, 502 00:24:47,626 --> 00:24:49,666 Speaker 1: but Cliff does not want to be in like draft 503 00:24:49,666 --> 00:24:51,626 Speaker 1: meetings right now. He does not want to be talking 504 00:24:51,626 --> 00:24:54,546 Speaker 1: about free agent meetings. So do you do your thing? 505 00:24:54,746 --> 00:24:56,666 Speaker 1: I just it blew me with Chris. It was the 506 00:24:56,746 --> 00:25:00,666 Speaker 1: number one trending story for like three days and any time, 507 00:25:00,986 --> 00:25:03,586 Speaker 1: but any time that happens, and you're a reporter and 508 00:25:03,626 --> 00:25:05,666 Speaker 1: this is a close friend and also a source, and 509 00:25:05,706 --> 00:25:07,666 Speaker 1: all that stuff that you might say, and I the 510 00:25:07,706 --> 00:25:10,706 Speaker 1: amount of things that I don't share online, like the 511 00:25:10,826 --> 00:25:12,826 Speaker 1: mass if I don't share on Fox because I want 512 00:25:12,826 --> 00:25:14,986 Speaker 1: to maintain the relationship to think that I might have 513 00:25:15,066 --> 00:25:17,026 Speaker 1: hurt him in some way or burned him in some way, 514 00:25:17,146 --> 00:25:18,626 Speaker 1: or change the way that people look at him. But 515 00:25:18,986 --> 00:25:21,066 Speaker 1: for the most part, it seems pretty positive. No, But 516 00:25:21,106 --> 00:25:22,906 Speaker 1: I definitely get the same way. And you deal a 517 00:25:22,986 --> 00:25:25,946 Speaker 1: lot more in information than I do. And so, like 518 00:25:26,106 --> 00:25:29,226 Speaker 1: just I put myself in y'all shoes. Sometimes it's a 519 00:25:29,306 --> 00:25:34,226 Speaker 1: really crazy business, like you know, and and sometimes information 520 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:38,426 Speaker 1: can be hurtful to people, and sometimes seemingly benign information 521 00:25:38,466 --> 00:25:40,466 Speaker 1: can be hurtful to people. And that's what I always 522 00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:43,666 Speaker 1: worry about. And so I definitely took my cap to 523 00:25:43,786 --> 00:25:46,466 Speaker 1: you for having to navigate those waters, because it'd be 524 00:25:46,506 --> 00:25:48,106 Speaker 1: hard for me. I kind of like just sitting here 525 00:25:48,506 --> 00:25:50,746 Speaker 1: in the game. Our podcast is all you know, we 526 00:25:50,866 --> 00:25:53,746 Speaker 1: deal in some information, but mostly what we deal in 527 00:25:53,906 --> 00:25:56,746 Speaker 1: is like some guys with maybe a little more knowledge 528 00:25:56,746 --> 00:25:59,866 Speaker 1: in the average person on the couch watching games, you know, 529 00:25:59,906 --> 00:26:02,986 Speaker 1: and just be awesome with your buddies. But like when 530 00:26:03,026 --> 00:26:05,706 Speaker 1: I get in your situation where we have to make news, 531 00:26:05,986 --> 00:26:08,946 Speaker 1: I getting anxiety and it's and it's putting food on 532 00:26:08,986 --> 00:26:11,266 Speaker 1: the table for me. So you know, McVeigh was an 533 00:26:11,266 --> 00:26:16,426 Speaker 1: interesting one because we talked daily and I knew every 534 00:26:16,546 --> 00:26:19,346 Speaker 1: step of the way, and he's asking me, so let's 535 00:26:19,346 --> 00:26:20,866 Speaker 1: just not make this a thing. Let's be l LOO 536 00:26:20,906 --> 00:26:23,746 Speaker 1: And then, like, you know, to her credit, Diana Russini 537 00:26:23,786 --> 00:26:25,706 Speaker 1: breaks it on Friday, and I'm like, good for Diana, 538 00:26:25,826 --> 00:26:27,986 Speaker 1: you know, like good for her, Like that's cool. I 539 00:26:28,026 --> 00:26:30,026 Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable coming out and being like McVeigh is 540 00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:32,146 Speaker 1: coming back because I also know he's firing coaches and 541 00:26:32,186 --> 00:26:35,346 Speaker 1: like the tone is all weird. So it's weird. It's 542 00:26:35,386 --> 00:26:37,266 Speaker 1: definitely weird, and I understand like and you know, more 543 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:39,186 Speaker 1: than me obviously talking to him, being tight with him. 544 00:26:39,186 --> 00:26:42,066 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Sean mcveigh's um. I've met 545 00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:45,626 Speaker 1: him before. I thought everybody that I worked with in St. 546 00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:47,906 Speaker 1: Louis that then went to l A has been a 547 00:26:47,946 --> 00:26:51,266 Speaker 1: big fan of his. UM. I just thought he was 548 00:26:51,306 --> 00:26:53,866 Speaker 1: I in a TV job that maybe didn't work out. 549 00:26:53,986 --> 00:26:57,986 Speaker 1: That was my That was my like you know, outside 550 00:26:58,026 --> 00:27:02,706 Speaker 1: looking end view of it. But I do think the 551 00:27:02,866 --> 00:27:05,626 Speaker 1: l A job as we were, because one day we 552 00:27:05,706 --> 00:27:09,466 Speaker 1: ranked the attractiveness of jobs is not as far down 553 00:27:09,546 --> 00:27:13,306 Speaker 1: as you think. If and this is what I would do. 554 00:27:13,706 --> 00:27:16,866 Speaker 1: I would trade Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald and I would. 555 00:27:16,906 --> 00:27:19,146 Speaker 1: I would, I would start over, I would get you know, 556 00:27:19,186 --> 00:27:21,266 Speaker 1: like I would. I would take the year with a bridge, 557 00:27:21,946 --> 00:27:24,786 Speaker 1: see how close to Caleb Williams I could get, and 558 00:27:24,826 --> 00:27:26,986 Speaker 1: then that job in a year looks a lot better 559 00:27:27,026 --> 00:27:29,626 Speaker 1: than it did. Um, you know a week or two ago. 560 00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:31,746 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure how much capital you could 561 00:27:31,906 --> 00:27:35,266 Speaker 1: you could recoup for two pieces like that, but it's 562 00:27:35,266 --> 00:27:37,626 Speaker 1: got to get you close to back on track. And 563 00:27:37,666 --> 00:27:39,906 Speaker 1: out of respect for Aaron Donald, who I think is 564 00:27:39,906 --> 00:27:42,546 Speaker 1: gonna play next year, you have very good reason to 565 00:27:42,546 --> 00:27:46,066 Speaker 1: believe that. Um. I know there was the Twitter bio thing, 566 00:27:46,146 --> 00:27:49,626 Speaker 1: but as a former teammate who was his mentor and 567 00:27:49,666 --> 00:27:53,706 Speaker 1: saying and mentor, but I definitely, I definitely was there 568 00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:56,586 Speaker 1: when he was a kid. Uh and and uh, I 569 00:27:56,746 --> 00:28:00,746 Speaker 1: just think the fire in him to to finish strong 570 00:28:01,666 --> 00:28:05,426 Speaker 1: and and to to to reach these heights man that 571 00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:08,306 Speaker 1: so few have reached. I mean he he is within 572 00:28:08,426 --> 00:28:12,066 Speaker 1: striking distance of a lot of legendary players. I think personally, 573 00:28:12,106 --> 00:28:15,186 Speaker 1: before it's all said and done, he's the best inside 574 00:28:15,186 --> 00:28:19,746 Speaker 1: guy of all time. And I think it's like me 575 00:28:19,786 --> 00:28:21,626 Speaker 1: and Joe Green and you can go through all the 576 00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:25,786 Speaker 1: guys but John Randall, but he was ahead of John Randall. 577 00:28:25,866 --> 00:28:28,226 Speaker 1: His pace was ahead of John Randall. And you know, 578 00:28:28,266 --> 00:28:29,986 Speaker 1: if you talk about me and Joe Green, like you know, 579 00:28:30,026 --> 00:28:31,946 Speaker 1: it's hard to adjust for arras, but me and Joe 580 00:28:31,986 --> 00:28:33,586 Speaker 1: Green was to seventy five. I was just talking to 581 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:36,626 Speaker 1: my dad about this, Like Aaron Donald, who actually ironically 582 00:28:36,746 --> 00:28:38,706 Speaker 1: probably is two eight five, so can wet now at 583 00:28:38,706 --> 00:28:41,066 Speaker 1: this point in his career. And it's just a different game. 584 00:28:41,106 --> 00:28:43,986 Speaker 1: And so like when you when you evaluate him against it, 585 00:28:44,346 --> 00:28:46,466 Speaker 1: I say all that to say, he's got an opportunity 586 00:28:46,506 --> 00:28:48,666 Speaker 1: to just go to heights that people haven't been. And 587 00:28:49,426 --> 00:28:53,186 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think a rebuild because at least 588 00:28:53,506 --> 00:28:56,466 Speaker 1: in the the immediacy, it is a reset. I don't 589 00:28:56,466 --> 00:28:58,626 Speaker 1: know about a rebuild, but it's a reset. However you 590 00:28:58,626 --> 00:29:03,786 Speaker 1: want to just you know, uh, separate those two words. Um, 591 00:29:03,866 --> 00:29:06,906 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he deserves that at this 592 00:29:06,946 --> 00:29:09,746 Speaker 1: stage in his career. I would love to see him 593 00:29:09,786 --> 00:29:11,506 Speaker 1: on the move, like I would love to see him 594 00:29:11,546 --> 00:29:14,306 Speaker 1: go back to Pittsburgh. You know that's that there have 595 00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,346 Speaker 1: to be some like hey, I'm going to win, or 596 00:29:16,386 --> 00:29:19,866 Speaker 1: there's some nostalgic, you know reason, you know, like, um, 597 00:29:20,306 --> 00:29:22,546 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh will be fun. I don't know what Fletcher Cox's 598 00:29:22,586 --> 00:29:25,186 Speaker 1: deal is going to be in Philly. You can never 599 00:29:25,306 --> 00:29:29,226 Speaker 1: count Howie Roseman out of making a move for somebody. Um, 600 00:29:29,266 --> 00:29:32,146 Speaker 1: there's gonna be these It's such a cool offseason because 601 00:29:32,186 --> 00:29:34,306 Speaker 1: of stuff like this. And I'm not saying Jalen's gonna 602 00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:36,146 Speaker 1: get moved or Aaron's gonnat moved, but all this stuff 603 00:29:36,186 --> 00:29:39,986 Speaker 1: is on the table. Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady, 604 00:29:40,506 --> 00:29:44,146 Speaker 1: like this might be the wildest offseason. Um, and the 605 00:29:44,386 --> 00:29:47,106 Speaker 1: league hasn't figured out with the calendar. The calendar it's 606 00:29:46,906 --> 00:29:51,146 Speaker 1: it's it's just so it's so phased in correctly, so 607 00:29:51,226 --> 00:29:55,426 Speaker 1: you're always watching. And this offseason even expanding the season 608 00:29:55,466 --> 00:29:57,866 Speaker 1: one season, pushing Super Back one one week, but keeping 609 00:29:57,906 --> 00:30:00,906 Speaker 1: the combine the same week instead of a three week lag. 610 00:30:01,666 --> 00:30:07,666 Speaker 1: It's super Bowl weekend off combo. It's like you don't 611 00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:10,386 Speaker 1: even it's it's it's NonStop. It think you get a breath. 612 00:30:10,946 --> 00:30:13,466 Speaker 1: Back to Aaron Donald, I honestly think this and Sean 613 00:30:13,506 --> 00:30:15,226 Speaker 1: and I even talked about the players and the roster 614 00:30:15,266 --> 00:30:17,546 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. The TV thing is interesting. I 615 00:30:17,586 --> 00:30:20,906 Speaker 1: think he's definitely entertained that last year. I don't think 616 00:30:21,426 --> 00:30:23,226 Speaker 1: I think he knew going into it that those seats 617 00:30:23,226 --> 00:30:25,346 Speaker 1: were filled, And it's not like he was fixated on that. 618 00:30:25,426 --> 00:30:27,306 Speaker 1: This year. I think it was more just the burnout 619 00:30:27,306 --> 00:30:30,226 Speaker 1: factory all that stuff that we were talking about with Cliff. 620 00:30:30,346 --> 00:30:33,466 Speaker 1: But um, Aaron Donald last year I think was a 621 00:30:33,506 --> 00:30:37,586 Speaker 1: lot closer to retiring than people realize. And I also think, 622 00:30:38,666 --> 00:30:40,106 Speaker 1: and you tell me you know him, but this is 623 00:30:40,106 --> 00:30:41,586 Speaker 1: from what I hear from people in l A, like 624 00:30:42,226 --> 00:30:45,026 Speaker 1: he does have an eye on some day being like 625 00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:47,586 Speaker 1: the Rock, or some day being in action movies like 626 00:30:47,586 --> 00:30:49,626 Speaker 1: your Father and being in Firestorm or some of that stuff. 627 00:30:49,626 --> 00:30:54,346 Speaker 1: Like it's not like some funny gag. I think Hollywood 628 00:30:54,346 --> 00:30:57,026 Speaker 1: has suited him. Well. The question is that was last 629 00:30:57,066 --> 00:30:59,666 Speaker 1: year after they won the title. He's shirtless on the state, 630 00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:02,346 Speaker 1: you know. Does he come out and be the Rock 631 00:31:02,426 --> 00:31:03,906 Speaker 1: this year or does it have to be give me 632 00:31:03,986 --> 00:31:06,026 Speaker 1: one more season somewhere else or whatever it is, or 633 00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:07,546 Speaker 1: with the Ram said, let they build that back up. 634 00:31:07,546 --> 00:31:10,666 Speaker 1: And I think the world, Aaron, I think he's he's 635 00:31:10,746 --> 00:31:16,466 Speaker 1: just such a I mean for somebody who's so powerful, 636 00:31:16,866 --> 00:31:20,866 Speaker 1: you know, like physically, his his persona, the whole thing. 637 00:31:20,986 --> 00:31:25,786 Speaker 1: His humility is incredible. Um, his work ethic is incredible. 638 00:31:25,826 --> 00:31:29,066 Speaker 1: I can remember him in St. Louis. I tell this 639 00:31:29,066 --> 00:31:32,186 Speaker 1: story a lot where you know I was usually I'd 640 00:31:32,226 --> 00:31:34,986 Speaker 1: stay after in camp and watch film, and you know, 641 00:31:35,026 --> 00:31:37,706 Speaker 1: the parking lot would be kind of empty, and you know, 642 00:31:37,746 --> 00:31:39,626 Speaker 1: obviously he didn't have a car yet, so I'd look 643 00:31:39,626 --> 00:31:41,066 Speaker 1: out in the parking lot. It would be no, no 644 00:31:41,186 --> 00:31:42,866 Speaker 1: cars there. I would go down to the line room 645 00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:45,906 Speaker 1: try to watch Film's one place we watch film be 646 00:31:45,986 --> 00:31:48,506 Speaker 1: eight at night. And I repeatedly, over the course of 647 00:31:48,546 --> 00:31:52,386 Speaker 1: the first week camp had to go in and decide 648 00:31:52,386 --> 00:31:54,826 Speaker 1: whether I was gonna unseat this rookie who's trying to 649 00:31:54,826 --> 00:31:56,786 Speaker 1: get better. He was in there in the dark room, 650 00:31:56,786 --> 00:31:58,666 Speaker 1: he's the only guy in the building, or was I 651 00:31:58,706 --> 00:32:01,666 Speaker 1: going to get my time. And I'm not an iPad guy, 652 00:32:01,706 --> 00:32:03,466 Speaker 1: But what I do is I just say I'll go 653 00:32:03,506 --> 00:32:06,706 Speaker 1: watch my iPad because I was so impressed by this 654 00:32:06,866 --> 00:32:09,466 Speaker 1: kid and his work ethic. He was immediately a pro, 655 00:32:09,906 --> 00:32:11,786 Speaker 1: and everybody in the d line room knew that he 656 00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:14,066 Speaker 1: was gonna be Hall of Famer the first week. So 657 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:18,866 Speaker 1: you know, you give guys this much talent, this much power, um, 658 00:32:18,906 --> 00:32:22,906 Speaker 1: this much you know, gravitas. I mean, he's one of 659 00:32:23,106 --> 00:32:25,626 Speaker 1: the most iconic players in the last decade in our league, 660 00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:27,866 Speaker 1: and most of them kind of abuse it. I just 661 00:32:27,906 --> 00:32:30,026 Speaker 1: feel like it's such an easy thing to get drunk 662 00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:33,946 Speaker 1: on your success, and he's he's never been that. He's 663 00:32:33,946 --> 00:32:36,706 Speaker 1: still hungry, you know. I do think the retirement thing 664 00:32:36,706 --> 00:32:41,386 Speaker 1: almost happened, But I think this year was so tough, 665 00:32:41,546 --> 00:32:43,786 Speaker 1: and obviously the end of the season with an injury 666 00:32:43,786 --> 00:32:45,786 Speaker 1: for him, which is kind of unheard of. I think 667 00:32:45,786 --> 00:32:47,986 Speaker 1: he wants to finish strong, and I think he I 668 00:32:48,026 --> 00:32:50,626 Speaker 1: think sometimes like winning a Super Bowl can make you 669 00:32:50,626 --> 00:32:52,346 Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, and I want to walk away. I'm 670 00:32:52,386 --> 00:32:54,866 Speaker 1: so tired. You know, he's never been on a run 671 00:32:54,946 --> 00:32:56,826 Speaker 1: like this. When he was in St. Louis, we finished 672 00:32:56,826 --> 00:32:59,266 Speaker 1: in January and you go to l A. They're bad 673 00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,746 Speaker 1: in the beginning. You don't get to feel like what 674 00:33:01,786 --> 00:33:04,586 Speaker 1: this calendar feels like to go deep into the postseason. 675 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:07,506 Speaker 1: You know, he he's got a little fan Emily. You know, 676 00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:10,586 Speaker 1: his wife Eric is awesome. They're just great people that 677 00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:12,906 Speaker 1: can It's like J. J. Watt had a baby boy 678 00:33:13,386 --> 00:33:14,946 Speaker 1: and then he's like, I'm out yeah. I mean, like, 679 00:33:15,026 --> 00:33:16,706 Speaker 1: and that happened for me late in my career where 680 00:33:16,706 --> 00:33:18,626 Speaker 1: it was like by design we waited to have kids 681 00:33:18,626 --> 00:33:21,026 Speaker 1: because my dad played thirteen years. I know, hear him 682 00:33:21,066 --> 00:33:22,546 Speaker 1: talk about what it was like to come home and 683 00:33:22,866 --> 00:33:25,666 Speaker 1: be kind of checked out for me, you know, and 684 00:33:25,746 --> 00:33:28,546 Speaker 1: so like part of that is the burnout of the 685 00:33:28,586 --> 00:33:31,946 Speaker 1: moment you're transitioning in your life into having a family 686 00:33:31,946 --> 00:33:35,306 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Like I believe this year, being 687 00:33:35,386 --> 00:33:38,186 Speaker 1: hurt sitting there watching it had to make him want 688 00:33:38,186 --> 00:33:41,306 Speaker 1: to play more. And if I'm Aaron Donald, I probably 689 00:33:41,346 --> 00:33:43,866 Speaker 1: don't want to go through a rebuild at the same time, 690 00:33:44,506 --> 00:33:46,186 Speaker 1: you know, because when you get older, you're like I 691 00:33:46,186 --> 00:33:47,986 Speaker 1: can kind of pick I can call my shots a 692 00:33:47,986 --> 00:33:51,226 Speaker 1: little more. Look, you, you stuck it out with some 693 00:33:51,706 --> 00:33:54,146 Speaker 1: you know, struggling St. Louis teams, but you end your 694 00:33:54,146 --> 00:33:57,786 Speaker 1: career with the Patriots and with the Eagles and hoisting Lombardies. 695 00:33:57,826 --> 00:34:01,106 Speaker 1: But no one was like, who's this mercenary. No, Like, 696 00:34:01,186 --> 00:34:02,826 Speaker 1: you were a free agent, you signed with these teams 697 00:34:02,826 --> 00:34:05,906 Speaker 1: and you played big roles. The thought of Donald going 698 00:34:05,906 --> 00:34:09,466 Speaker 1: somewhere else is fascinating, um, but all look at all 699 00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:11,706 Speaker 1: those veterans on the Rams, like, you're right, like it's 700 00:34:11,746 --> 00:34:15,306 Speaker 1: gonna okay, So they bring everybody back and their ten 701 00:34:15,346 --> 00:34:20,706 Speaker 1: and seven in there a while they're still I don't 702 00:34:20,706 --> 00:34:23,466 Speaker 1: think they're gonna because I I don't believe Stafford's got 703 00:34:23,546 --> 00:34:27,146 Speaker 1: got got it in him physically anymore. And that's not personal. 704 00:34:27,226 --> 00:34:29,506 Speaker 1: I'm not like taking I love Matt Stafford, but the 705 00:34:29,506 --> 00:34:32,066 Speaker 1: guy's been through hell on Earth. Like before he got 706 00:34:32,106 --> 00:34:34,706 Speaker 1: to l A, he was he was like Buddy Lee 707 00:34:34,746 --> 00:34:37,426 Speaker 1: in Detroit for a decade, dude, like you know, And 708 00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:40,626 Speaker 1: it felt like the way their offense went, they were 709 00:34:40,666 --> 00:34:44,226 Speaker 1: back to being the Detroit Lions. The offensive line was decimated. 710 00:34:44,426 --> 00:34:48,946 Speaker 1: He had one trans you know, target, but outside of that, 711 00:34:49,026 --> 00:34:51,626 Speaker 1: they were just throwing to guys that like, and I 712 00:34:51,666 --> 00:34:53,786 Speaker 1: felt like he had to do too much. And I 713 00:34:53,826 --> 00:34:56,146 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't see them next year being in 714 00:34:56,186 --> 00:35:00,306 Speaker 1: the position to make the playoffs is so early. I 715 00:35:00,386 --> 00:35:03,346 Speaker 1: just think about the cap, the draft capital, all that stuff. 716 00:35:03,386 --> 00:35:05,906 Speaker 1: You look at Jalen Ramsey, he played so well in 717 00:35:05,906 --> 00:35:10,786 Speaker 1: the last game to the season, was really good against Yeah, 718 00:35:10,826 --> 00:35:12,666 Speaker 1: you know, like he's got that guy deserves to be 719 00:35:12,666 --> 00:35:15,986 Speaker 1: playing football, meaningful football somewhere. How about send him to 720 00:35:16,066 --> 00:35:19,546 Speaker 1: Jacksonville you know, let him finish, send him back, you know, 721 00:35:19,586 --> 00:35:23,346 Speaker 1: like I'm just working my my you know, my fantasy. 722 00:35:23,386 --> 00:35:25,146 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean like it could be such a 723 00:35:25,146 --> 00:35:27,946 Speaker 1: fun offseason and for l A, the job could could 724 00:35:27,986 --> 00:35:30,346 Speaker 1: flip pretty quickly into being Hey, it ain't so bad. 725 00:35:30,826 --> 00:35:32,706 Speaker 1: You know. It looked like we were in capell look 726 00:35:32,786 --> 00:35:34,546 Speaker 1: like we we didn't have any capital. But maybe we 727 00:35:34,546 --> 00:35:37,746 Speaker 1: can move some pieces and take a break for a year. Yeah. 728 00:35:37,786 --> 00:35:40,026 Speaker 1: The Caleb Williams thing is interesting because he's the first 729 00:35:40,026 --> 00:35:42,586 Speaker 1: real transcendent quarterback in the last couple of years. The 730 00:35:42,626 --> 00:35:45,426 Speaker 1: other guy is the North Carolina kid whose name is May. 731 00:35:45,466 --> 00:35:48,186 Speaker 1: I believe I hear so much about him. There's always 732 00:35:48,186 --> 00:35:49,706 Speaker 1: already this thing, and I remember it when it was 733 00:35:49,746 --> 00:35:53,906 Speaker 1: with Griffin and Luck. It's like everyone thinks that it's 734 00:35:53,946 --> 00:35:56,306 Speaker 1: this guy, but the real guys to do it at 735 00:35:56,426 --> 00:35:57,986 Speaker 1: U N see and that that'll be fun for the 736 00:35:58,026 --> 00:36:01,546 Speaker 1: next year. Question quickly, before we wrap your take on 737 00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:05,146 Speaker 1: the Lamar situation, let's take it from Lamar standpoint, how 738 00:36:05,146 --> 00:36:08,386 Speaker 1: the season ended and where that where that situation lies 739 00:36:08,466 --> 00:36:10,826 Speaker 1: right now. Well before the season, I went on ESPN 740 00:36:10,826 --> 00:36:12,626 Speaker 1: and I got murdered because I said that to a 741 00:36:12,746 --> 00:36:14,666 Speaker 1: can't throw the deep ball. I don't. I still don't 742 00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:18,346 Speaker 1: feel that way. Um. And and I said that I 743 00:36:18,386 --> 00:36:21,306 Speaker 1: think you could see Lamar in Miami before it's all 744 00:36:21,306 --> 00:36:23,266 Speaker 1: said and done, which I think would be a lot 745 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:26,346 Speaker 1: of fun. Okay, So like I'm saying that to say, 746 00:36:26,986 --> 00:36:29,586 Speaker 1: it's interesting when you look at certain teams that might 747 00:36:29,626 --> 00:36:31,946 Speaker 1: be suitors for Lamar, because I do think it's he's 748 00:36:31,946 --> 00:36:33,786 Speaker 1: played his last game in Baltimore. I mean, do you 749 00:36:33,786 --> 00:36:35,706 Speaker 1: really do you don't think that every bridge is and 750 00:36:35,786 --> 00:36:37,506 Speaker 1: burn as a player, like once you go do this 751 00:36:37,506 --> 00:36:40,586 Speaker 1: stuff publicly, it's I think it's I think the bridge 752 00:36:40,626 --> 00:36:43,066 Speaker 1: was quietly burning for a long time, you know, but 753 00:36:43,106 --> 00:36:46,746 Speaker 1: then this was like, you know, just I do think 754 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:50,386 Speaker 1: he was hurt. Obviously it was hurt. I think we've 755 00:36:50,386 --> 00:36:54,666 Speaker 1: been dealing in a lot of hypotheticals. Hey, we don't 756 00:36:54,666 --> 00:36:56,786 Speaker 1: know how hurt he is. Some of the quotes after 757 00:36:56,826 --> 00:37:00,186 Speaker 1: the game were like Lamar is walking around fifty He's 758 00:37:00,226 --> 00:37:04,586 Speaker 1: limping around the facility. Um. I also think after their 759 00:37:04,626 --> 00:37:08,786 Speaker 1: their season finale game against the Angles that reading the 760 00:37:08,866 --> 00:37:12,546 Speaker 1: quotes from the players, it was pretty telling. Isaiah likely 761 00:37:12,586 --> 00:37:15,226 Speaker 1: had a quote that was like Lamar will always be family, 762 00:37:16,106 --> 00:37:17,946 Speaker 1: Like what does that mean, that's a rookie in the 763 00:37:17,986 --> 00:37:20,026 Speaker 1: fourth round, Like who just got to know him? Like 764 00:37:20,346 --> 00:37:22,666 Speaker 1: already got his back? Yeah, it already got his back. 765 00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:26,946 Speaker 1: He's got his back. But always he's always gonna be family. 766 00:37:27,106 --> 00:37:30,426 Speaker 1: Sounds like like we kind of know, you know, how 767 00:37:30,426 --> 00:37:33,906 Speaker 1: players know stuff. And in the public out here we 768 00:37:33,986 --> 00:37:36,146 Speaker 1: think one thing, But in that building it's so tight 769 00:37:36,226 --> 00:37:39,586 Speaker 1: knit it's not getting out that maybe the you know, 770 00:37:39,626 --> 00:37:42,826 Speaker 1: the kind of the status quo is that, Hey, next year, 771 00:37:42,826 --> 00:37:45,586 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to we're gonna have to figure it 772 00:37:45,626 --> 00:37:49,786 Speaker 1: out because this bridge is burned, as you put it. Um, 773 00:37:49,826 --> 00:37:51,706 Speaker 1: I do think, you know, one of the things that 774 00:37:51,746 --> 00:37:53,546 Speaker 1: people talked about was why wouldn't at the game this 775 00:37:53,706 --> 00:37:55,706 Speaker 1: that in third he went to the Pittsburgh game the 776 00:37:55,746 --> 00:37:58,506 Speaker 1: week after he got hurt. There's something you could glean 777 00:37:58,586 --> 00:38:00,626 Speaker 1: from that. It's also like if you wanted to get 778 00:38:00,706 --> 00:38:03,346 Speaker 1: him back next week and he's this fluid in his 779 00:38:03,426 --> 00:38:05,946 Speaker 1: knee and all that stuff, like it's legitimately not the 780 00:38:05,986 --> 00:38:08,106 Speaker 1: best thing for him to be standing up. Sean Bayton 781 00:38:08,186 --> 00:38:10,626 Speaker 1: said to me, like any lower leg injury, you wouldn't 782 00:38:10,666 --> 00:38:12,266 Speaker 1: have that guy on the field. I don't care who 783 00:38:12,306 --> 00:38:13,866 Speaker 1: it is. If it's a captain, or if it's Tom Brady, 784 00:38:13,906 --> 00:38:15,506 Speaker 1: you would never put him on the field just about 785 00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:17,746 Speaker 1: the off chance that the he gets run into. Yeah, 786 00:38:17,746 --> 00:38:19,666 Speaker 1: you get thrown into, You get thrown into. Just the 787 00:38:19,786 --> 00:38:22,786 Speaker 1: standing around can really blow your knee up. Being on 788 00:38:22,826 --> 00:38:25,106 Speaker 1: the plane, even if it's only for an hour or two, 789 00:38:25,506 --> 00:38:28,066 Speaker 1: can really blow your knee up. You know. I'm sure 790 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:30,346 Speaker 1: if they wanted him back the next week that he's 791 00:38:30,386 --> 00:38:32,746 Speaker 1: probably receiving treatment in Baltimore, where they have the best 792 00:38:32,786 --> 00:38:35,306 Speaker 1: modalities to do that in the best set up. So 793 00:38:35,386 --> 00:38:37,906 Speaker 1: I've tried not to jump out of the gym on 794 00:38:37,946 --> 00:38:41,186 Speaker 1: some of these anecdotal kind of sidebar conversations. But I 795 00:38:41,186 --> 00:38:45,146 Speaker 1: think from a football standpoint Baltimore, the Greg Roman thing 796 00:38:45,186 --> 00:38:48,146 Speaker 1: is run its course right. The red zone calls were bad. JK. 797 00:38:48,306 --> 00:38:52,866 Speaker 1: Dominds needed the ball, and I think it's legitimate to 798 00:38:52,946 --> 00:38:56,026 Speaker 1: gripe about the weapons that Lamar has had from the beginning. 799 00:38:56,026 --> 00:39:00,586 Speaker 1: And I'd hate to waste the generational talent because let's 800 00:39:00,586 --> 00:39:03,386 Speaker 1: face it, he's played the game a different way than 801 00:39:03,426 --> 00:39:06,546 Speaker 1: your average quarterback. I'm not saying he's not a pocket passers. 802 00:39:06,546 --> 00:39:10,266 Speaker 1: A pocket passer guy can sling it, but having him 803 00:39:10,346 --> 00:39:12,986 Speaker 1: in your design run game over course of five years, 804 00:39:13,266 --> 00:39:17,546 Speaker 1: carrying the ball, extending plays, like there's an attrition factor 805 00:39:17,586 --> 00:39:21,266 Speaker 1: to that that other quarterbacks aren't aren't enduring. So like 806 00:39:21,546 --> 00:39:24,706 Speaker 1: his window maybe not as big as we think it is. 807 00:39:24,746 --> 00:39:26,986 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, the the impetus to 808 00:39:27,026 --> 00:39:29,786 Speaker 1: get him somewhere as a fan where he has the 809 00:39:29,826 --> 00:39:33,626 Speaker 1: weapons that we can enjoy him fully flourished. Like I'd 810 00:39:33,666 --> 00:39:36,906 Speaker 1: love to see it in the next in this next deal. 811 00:39:36,906 --> 00:39:40,186 Speaker 1: I don't want to see Lamar finally get um a 812 00:39:40,266 --> 00:39:42,906 Speaker 1: good set up at thirty one, you know, because like 813 00:39:42,946 --> 00:39:45,306 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna look like. And so 814 00:39:45,546 --> 00:39:47,346 Speaker 1: someone texted me and said, and it was in the 815 00:39:47,346 --> 00:39:50,866 Speaker 1: guy in the league. He was like, from the Baltimore standpoint, 816 00:39:51,386 --> 00:39:56,066 Speaker 1: you've seen Lamar for five years. Do you put all 817 00:39:56,146 --> 00:40:00,266 Speaker 1: your chips or all your eggs in that basket if 818 00:40:00,266 --> 00:40:02,066 Speaker 1: you're not sure he's gonna be even better in the 819 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:03,466 Speaker 1: next five years. And I go, you can't look at 820 00:40:03,506 --> 00:40:06,546 Speaker 1: it that way. I'm with you. I think baltim Or 821 00:40:06,546 --> 00:40:08,666 Speaker 1: it should have paid him whatever he wanted. And I 822 00:40:08,666 --> 00:40:10,946 Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy, and like, especially with the guarantees 823 00:40:11,026 --> 00:40:13,506 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I think it's gone really sour. 824 00:40:14,026 --> 00:40:16,426 Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip it to the sports media critique of 825 00:40:16,426 --> 00:40:18,786 Speaker 1: it because on my show, the one before Your Father's 826 00:40:18,866 --> 00:40:22,226 Speaker 1: Fox NFL kickoff on Saturday, Michael Vick and Charles Woodson 827 00:40:22,266 --> 00:40:23,786 Speaker 1: came out and they were pretty adamant, like, yeah, he 828 00:40:23,866 --> 00:40:26,266 Speaker 1: might be hurt, but if he could even go, it 829 00:40:26,306 --> 00:40:28,146 Speaker 1: would have been cool to see him go. And and 830 00:40:28,266 --> 00:40:30,386 Speaker 1: you know, people were bouncing back at Charles Woodson on 831 00:40:30,386 --> 00:40:33,306 Speaker 1: Twitter saying, yeah, but r G three's career and like, 832 00:40:33,426 --> 00:40:35,906 Speaker 1: you know, c wood does not give guys are playing 833 00:40:35,986 --> 00:40:38,226 Speaker 1: hurt every week now. Again, I want to couch this 834 00:40:38,386 --> 00:40:40,226 Speaker 1: with what we said earlier is like we're dealing with 835 00:40:40,306 --> 00:40:43,866 Speaker 1: hyper We don't have patheticals, so like, you know, I 836 00:40:43,906 --> 00:40:46,626 Speaker 1: don't know what Charles and Mike knew. But let's say 837 00:40:46,946 --> 00:40:49,986 Speaker 1: let's say he was a game time decision, truly like, 838 00:40:50,066 --> 00:40:52,306 Speaker 1: which which means you probably might be able to go, 839 00:40:52,346 --> 00:40:53,706 Speaker 1: but you gotta get out there and run around and 840 00:40:53,706 --> 00:40:56,146 Speaker 1: figure it out. Well, one, he'd probably be in since 841 00:40:56,186 --> 00:40:58,746 Speaker 1: he you know, warming up and out on the fee. 842 00:40:58,786 --> 00:41:01,026 Speaker 1: He hadn't even practiced. He hasn't practiced in five weeks, 843 00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:05,186 Speaker 1: you know. But hypothetically, let's say I think We've just 844 00:41:05,386 --> 00:41:09,426 Speaker 1: entered an era where fans and even media are so 845 00:41:09,466 --> 00:41:12,666 Speaker 1: removed from like how football players feel sometimes we think 846 00:41:12,666 --> 00:41:17,266 Speaker 1: for football players, and like the resounding kind of sentiment 847 00:41:17,386 --> 00:41:20,266 Speaker 1: is like, in this era of player empowerment, hey, if 848 00:41:20,266 --> 00:41:22,866 Speaker 1: you don't have your contract and don't play well, you're 849 00:41:22,906 --> 00:41:27,026 Speaker 1: also saying the other fifty two guys in that hypothetical scenario, 850 00:41:27,226 --> 00:41:31,346 Speaker 1: and the fans and the coaches and and hey, we're 851 00:41:31,346 --> 00:41:33,786 Speaker 1: in this era where that could be good business. But 852 00:41:34,426 --> 00:41:38,466 Speaker 1: you can't be surprised when football players feel like, hey, 853 00:41:38,506 --> 00:41:41,706 Speaker 1: if you can go in a playoff game, you probably should, 854 00:41:42,146 --> 00:41:46,266 Speaker 1: because that's the way. Like I remember Martellis Bennett calling 855 00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:50,786 Speaker 1: Jimmy G a because Jimmy G didn't play early in 856 00:41:50,786 --> 00:41:53,386 Speaker 1: the year that I was there, when Brady got Um injured, 857 00:41:54,706 --> 00:41:57,306 Speaker 1: Set came in. We had played the Dolphins, Jimmy G 858 00:41:57,466 --> 00:42:00,306 Speaker 1: got piled driven into the ground, his shoulder was about 859 00:42:00,306 --> 00:42:03,226 Speaker 1: to fall off. And the next week we play the 860 00:42:03,226 --> 00:42:06,826 Speaker 1: Bills and we get throttled a little bit and Jacoby play, 861 00:42:06,946 --> 00:42:09,186 Speaker 1: and a couple of years later, Marty's like, yeah, he 862 00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:11,226 Speaker 1: was for that, like this that in the third and 863 00:42:11,466 --> 00:42:13,866 Speaker 1: I think even some of you know, our former teammates 864 00:42:13,866 --> 00:42:15,746 Speaker 1: were kind of like, yeah, I would have liked to 865 00:42:15,746 --> 00:42:19,146 Speaker 1: have seen him play. Um. You know, I feel like 866 00:42:19,346 --> 00:42:21,986 Speaker 1: it kind of depends on the player, right the way 867 00:42:22,066 --> 00:42:25,986 Speaker 1: fans and the media react. Everybody's like, yeah, do you 868 00:42:25,986 --> 00:42:27,906 Speaker 1: hear what Marty B said about Jimmy G. That's not 869 00:42:27,906 --> 00:42:30,066 Speaker 1: a good sign for Jimmy G. That his teammates felt 870 00:42:30,106 --> 00:42:32,346 Speaker 1: that way about him. Well, not every teammate felt that way. 871 00:42:32,426 --> 00:42:34,386 Speaker 1: Not every I didn't feel that way. You know what 872 00:42:34,626 --> 00:42:36,906 Speaker 1: It's like, Yeah, I think there's a mixture in an 873 00:42:37,026 --> 00:42:40,106 Speaker 1: NFL locker room of like how guys feel that there's 874 00:42:40,106 --> 00:42:45,546 Speaker 1: the old school NFL guys and that generational like mccordy 875 00:42:45,586 --> 00:42:49,106 Speaker 1: on my show. Not anything ubrasive. It's just like he 876 00:42:49,106 --> 00:42:51,266 Speaker 1: doesn't have a contract. I don't for a second, and 877 00:42:51,266 --> 00:42:53,306 Speaker 1: because I played her. But I wouldn't spide him for 878 00:42:53,346 --> 00:42:56,386 Speaker 1: not I wouldn't him right, I wouldn't spite him in again, 879 00:42:56,426 --> 00:42:58,946 Speaker 1: like for anybody who's zoned out the last five minutes, 880 00:42:59,466 --> 00:43:03,226 Speaker 1: like I'm talking about a hypothetical, which I don't believe 881 00:43:03,346 --> 00:43:06,506 Speaker 1: was the case. I believe judging by everything that I 882 00:43:06,546 --> 00:43:08,666 Speaker 1: was reading, that you that you hear you put in 883 00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:11,106 Speaker 1: two and two together that he's not ready to play 884 00:43:11,266 --> 00:43:14,346 Speaker 1: when they played Cincinnati. It just wasn't worth it. Um. 885 00:43:14,386 --> 00:43:16,586 Speaker 1: But say, you know, it's one of those situations, bro. 886 00:43:16,666 --> 00:43:20,506 Speaker 1: I've had a high ankle my contract year, my contract 887 00:43:20,586 --> 00:43:23,146 Speaker 1: year in St. Louis, I had a high ankle sprain 888 00:43:23,546 --> 00:43:26,466 Speaker 1: that keeps guys out a month, you know, six weeks, 889 00:43:26,506 --> 00:43:29,546 Speaker 1: two weeks, whatever it is. I shot that up every 890 00:43:29,586 --> 00:43:33,106 Speaker 1: week because it was my contract year, and we I 891 00:43:33,106 --> 00:43:35,226 Speaker 1: couldn't walk during the week, I'd numb it up and 892 00:43:35,226 --> 00:43:37,386 Speaker 1: I'd go out and dragged that thing around. And that 893 00:43:37,466 --> 00:43:39,586 Speaker 1: was the best year in my career. Had thirteen sacks, 894 00:43:39,586 --> 00:43:41,826 Speaker 1: and I made the money that I'm still living off 895 00:43:41,866 --> 00:43:43,786 Speaker 1: of all my next deal, my next big deal with 896 00:43:43,786 --> 00:43:49,506 Speaker 1: the Rams. So sometimes risk works out and sometimes it doesn't. 897 00:43:49,506 --> 00:43:51,546 Speaker 1: Now the downside of that is my ankle was never 898 00:43:51,586 --> 00:43:54,026 Speaker 1: the same, and I truly don't believe that. Do you 899 00:43:54,066 --> 00:43:56,506 Speaker 1: still feel it? Well, yeah, but it's a little thing. 900 00:43:56,586 --> 00:43:59,346 Speaker 1: It's it's just you lose your ankle flexion you as 901 00:43:59,346 --> 00:44:02,066 Speaker 1: a rusher. That's huge. I mean, like on my inside 902 00:44:02,066 --> 00:44:04,826 Speaker 1: foot now I can't bend as well. So my game 903 00:44:04,946 --> 00:44:07,426 Speaker 1: changed a little bit. But I also had the money 904 00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:09,386 Speaker 1: at that point and you know, I still was a 905 00:44:09,426 --> 00:44:12,066 Speaker 1: good player, but but it just there were certain things 906 00:44:12,106 --> 00:44:13,786 Speaker 1: I could do in two thousand eleven that I couldn't 907 00:44:13,786 --> 00:44:16,626 Speaker 1: do anymore. And so like that's the inside looking too. Hey, 908 00:44:16,706 --> 00:44:19,586 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, I'm on a big rookie deal. I 909 00:44:19,666 --> 00:44:22,346 Speaker 1: have the security of my big rookie deal. I want 910 00:44:22,346 --> 00:44:24,906 Speaker 1: to play because I want to make another big deal um, 911 00:44:25,026 --> 00:44:26,906 Speaker 1: and I'm having a great year. It's like halfway through 912 00:44:26,946 --> 00:44:29,466 Speaker 1: the season, I'm gonna keep sticking this thing out. Like 913 00:44:29,546 --> 00:44:31,746 Speaker 1: maybe I could have been I could have shut myself down. 914 00:44:31,746 --> 00:44:34,266 Speaker 1: But I was also an idiot too that in two 915 00:44:34,306 --> 00:44:36,426 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen when I had ankle surgery, I rushed 916 00:44:36,426 --> 00:44:38,266 Speaker 1: back and I was terrible, and I do think it 917 00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,546 Speaker 1: affected my free agency stock in fourteen and fifteen, trying 918 00:44:41,546 --> 00:44:44,186 Speaker 1: to play with an ankle surgery and a broken leg um, 919 00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:46,866 Speaker 1: trying to be a hero. And the bottom line is 920 00:44:47,266 --> 00:44:50,186 Speaker 1: people don't care. Nobody's gonna help you if you look 921 00:44:50,226 --> 00:44:53,426 Speaker 1: like on film and your teammates who you you feel 922 00:44:53,466 --> 00:44:56,186 Speaker 1: so indebted to, and you feel awkward walking around the building, 923 00:44:56,226 --> 00:44:58,466 Speaker 1: you go out there and suit up. At the end 924 00:44:58,466 --> 00:45:02,106 Speaker 1: of the day, they're not gonna rescue you. Nobody's gonna 925 00:45:02,106 --> 00:45:04,946 Speaker 1: talk you up and convince other teams to sign you. 926 00:45:05,186 --> 00:45:08,266 Speaker 1: Those teams are going off that ape. So everything is 927 00:45:08,266 --> 00:45:11,026 Speaker 1: a calculus based on the individual in the context around 928 00:45:11,066 --> 00:45:13,866 Speaker 1: the situation. And I also think the arrow were in 929 00:45:14,146 --> 00:45:17,746 Speaker 1: factors into how we receive it. Dude, that was beautiful. Great. 930 00:45:18,386 --> 00:45:21,106 Speaker 1: Mccordy was big on the tape stuff too, saying hell, no, 931 00:45:21,266 --> 00:45:23,146 Speaker 1: you don't want to put out any bad tape. It 932 00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:26,666 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't know especially if a Yeah, last question for 933 00:45:26,706 --> 00:45:30,426 Speaker 1: you was Mike McDaniel vaping, Right, So we were talking 934 00:45:30,426 --> 00:45:35,746 Speaker 1: about this. I I'm big on like giving people the 935 00:45:35,826 --> 00:45:39,626 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in situations. If if if you 936 00:45:39,746 --> 00:45:43,506 Speaker 1: brought that to court and you had twelve jurors, do 937 00:45:43,546 --> 00:45:47,386 Speaker 1: you really think that there's enough evidence to charge him 938 00:45:47,426 --> 00:45:51,826 Speaker 1: guilty of the jewel on the sideline too? You know? 939 00:45:52,466 --> 00:45:54,506 Speaker 1: And also my whole thing was like people were like, well, 940 00:45:54,506 --> 00:45:58,346 Speaker 1: he's he he's vaping for sure. I go, Okay, Well 941 00:45:58,786 --> 00:46:01,106 Speaker 1: you've never seen him in a cloud of jewel smoke. 942 00:46:02,706 --> 00:46:04,866 Speaker 1: No one's ever caught him. Because if it can happen 943 00:46:04,866 --> 00:46:06,906 Speaker 1: in the playoff game, it can happen any week. You 944 00:46:06,906 --> 00:46:10,066 Speaker 1: really think that, like somebody on Fox didn't zoom in 945 00:46:10,106 --> 00:46:12,666 Speaker 1: on him if he if he's a jewel guy all 946 00:46:12,746 --> 00:46:16,826 Speaker 1: season long? No gloves in Miami, right, no gloves like 947 00:46:16,906 --> 00:46:18,666 Speaker 1: to you know, because he had the black gloves on 948 00:46:18,706 --> 00:46:22,906 Speaker 1: you you're gonna tell me we just missed it all year? Okay. 949 00:46:23,106 --> 00:46:25,066 Speaker 1: Then somebody was like, oh, well, he was just really 950 00:46:25,106 --> 00:46:28,546 Speaker 1: nervous for the playoffs. If you're so nervous for the 951 00:46:28,546 --> 00:46:31,306 Speaker 1: playoffs that you gotta hit him any cigarette, then maybe 952 00:46:31,346 --> 00:46:35,386 Speaker 1: you shouldn't meet coaching, you know. I mean, I don't 953 00:46:35,426 --> 00:46:37,386 Speaker 1: think he was. I think it was a highlighter. And 954 00:46:37,426 --> 00:46:39,666 Speaker 1: then they turned away just after we would have seen 955 00:46:39,706 --> 00:46:42,546 Speaker 1: an exhale, so like, we don't know for sure. I 956 00:46:42,666 --> 00:46:45,666 Speaker 1: texted him, I know Mike, well, I love Mike. He 957 00:46:45,706 --> 00:46:49,346 Speaker 1: hasn't responded, and granted they might have some coaching stuff, 958 00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:53,106 Speaker 1: but I think it's a pretty important You thought that Kingsbury, 959 00:46:53,106 --> 00:46:54,866 Speaker 1: Thailand was big. If I could break the news that 960 00:46:54,906 --> 00:46:57,226 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel was in fact vaping on the sideline, that 961 00:46:57,226 --> 00:46:58,826 Speaker 1: would be a good school. Would do me a favor 962 00:46:59,506 --> 00:47:03,346 Speaker 1: and tell Mike McDaniel that I I I am sticking 963 00:47:03,346 --> 00:47:05,986 Speaker 1: to my guns. Everybody thinks he's jeweling, but there's one 964 00:47:05,986 --> 00:47:09,346 Speaker 1: guy in the media. That's Long. Yeah, I got his back. 965 00:47:09,426 --> 00:47:13,026 Speaker 1: He was not jeweling. There's not enough evidence to indict 966 00:47:13,146 --> 00:47:18,266 Speaker 1: him on on smoking like a teenager on the sideline. 967 00:47:18,266 --> 00:47:21,706 Speaker 1: It just getting it in, getting it in, dude, thank you. 968 00:47:22,066 --> 00:47:24,626 Speaker 1: Where can we find your podcast? Who are your partners 969 00:47:24,666 --> 00:47:26,786 Speaker 1: on that podcast? And where can we just follow the 970 00:47:26,866 --> 00:47:29,706 Speaker 1: Chris Long experience? Okay, so green Light pod you can 971 00:47:29,746 --> 00:47:31,866 Speaker 1: find it anywhere you can find your podcast right now. 972 00:47:31,866 --> 00:47:34,466 Speaker 1: I got my brother Kyle working with me. We do 973 00:47:34,506 --> 00:47:37,786 Speaker 1: our Monday show with one of my high school buddies, 974 00:47:37,786 --> 00:47:39,666 Speaker 1: Making Gunner, who's a real estate agent but he really 975 00:47:39,666 --> 00:47:42,786 Speaker 1: knows ball. Um. Then you know, I've got another former teammate, 976 00:47:42,866 --> 00:47:45,546 Speaker 1: Nate Collins working with the green Light team. And Bo 977 00:47:45,666 --> 00:47:49,146 Speaker 1: Allen who just left town. So little groups growing. We've 978 00:47:49,146 --> 00:47:51,866 Speaker 1: had Nicole our Back joining us through the season talk 979 00:47:51,946 --> 00:47:55,146 Speaker 1: college football. Uh. We just we love to bus and 980 00:47:55,186 --> 00:47:57,666 Speaker 1: just kind of keep it simple. So um, yeah, I 981 00:47:57,666 --> 00:48:00,186 Speaker 1: don't do the hard stuff like you. Peter. Yeah. I 982 00:48:00,226 --> 00:48:01,946 Speaker 1: think it's interesting because you could have a chair on 983 00:48:01,986 --> 00:48:04,706 Speaker 1: any of these shows. Your father obviously is the all 984 00:48:04,706 --> 00:48:07,346 Speaker 1: time legend, if not one of the all time legends. 985 00:48:07,346 --> 00:48:10,906 Speaker 1: Your brothers doing CBS. Um, You've chosen to kind of 986 00:48:10,906 --> 00:48:13,266 Speaker 1: do things on your own terms. I find it really inspiring. Yeah, 987 00:48:13,586 --> 00:48:16,186 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a self sabotage thing. I'm 988 00:48:16,186 --> 00:48:19,306 Speaker 1: pretty good at that. Uh you know, like sure I 989 00:48:19,546 --> 00:48:21,986 Speaker 1: maybe could work towards having one of those good jobs, 990 00:48:21,986 --> 00:48:24,546 Speaker 1: but I also I understand that there's a big process 991 00:48:24,586 --> 00:48:26,026 Speaker 1: with that, and like you never want to say, like 992 00:48:26,146 --> 00:48:28,466 Speaker 1: I could just you know, because there's guys going to 993 00:48:28,466 --> 00:48:31,866 Speaker 1: broadcast boot camp and move into places. And I think 994 00:48:32,426 --> 00:48:35,426 Speaker 1: I've been in a crossroads at times, like in as 995 00:48:35,426 --> 00:48:38,386 Speaker 1: a media guy where I'm like, should I just do that? 996 00:48:39,146 --> 00:48:41,426 Speaker 1: And if I got to ask myself, then I don't 997 00:48:41,466 --> 00:48:44,626 Speaker 1: really want it, you know, like if if if I 998 00:48:44,666 --> 00:48:46,786 Speaker 1: gotta if I if I'm like, damn, I gotta take 999 00:48:46,826 --> 00:48:48,706 Speaker 1: a flight up there every week to do that study, 1000 00:48:48,746 --> 00:48:51,466 Speaker 1: I gotta get suits I gotta do, then I don't 1001 00:48:51,466 --> 00:48:53,026 Speaker 1: really want to do that. And honestly, the couple of 1002 00:48:53,026 --> 00:48:56,706 Speaker 1: times I've been on TV, I don't like the attention. Really, 1003 00:48:56,986 --> 00:48:58,986 Speaker 1: So you said you got like blown up on ESPN 1004 00:48:59,026 --> 00:49:01,026 Speaker 1: because he said that, And like I fly from New 1005 00:49:01,106 --> 00:49:02,706 Speaker 1: York to l A every week and put on a 1006 00:49:02,786 --> 00:49:06,666 Speaker 1: suit and you see me on Good Morning Football Show, 1007 00:49:06,666 --> 00:49:09,346 Speaker 1: put me in that with that tie, and I'll get 1008 00:49:09,426 --> 00:49:11,706 Speaker 1: up there and I'll and I'm Mr NFL Insider, and 1009 00:49:11,706 --> 00:49:13,866 Speaker 1: even there sometimes I'm like, God, this doesn't feel normal. 1010 00:49:13,906 --> 00:49:16,106 Speaker 1: But like that's what Fox does. That's a CBS does, 1011 00:49:16,226 --> 00:49:18,906 Speaker 1: that's an NBC does. You're sitting right now in a car, 1012 00:49:18,946 --> 00:49:21,346 Speaker 1: hard hat, chilling with a bunch of bobble heads behind you. 1013 00:49:21,386 --> 00:49:24,906 Speaker 1: I can't like it looks pretty good on the podcasting 1014 00:49:24,946 --> 00:49:27,306 Speaker 1: has gotten better, like where the money is very good, Like, 1015 00:49:27,506 --> 00:49:29,786 Speaker 1: you know, maybe i'd be making a little less money 1016 00:49:30,106 --> 00:49:33,146 Speaker 1: starting out doing studio stuff. You know. For me, it's 1017 00:49:33,186 --> 00:49:37,106 Speaker 1: just like I do not like I am over, whether 1018 00:49:37,146 --> 00:49:39,066 Speaker 1: it's Twitter or whether it's like a guy on the street. 1019 00:49:39,066 --> 00:49:42,626 Speaker 1: I'm over arguing with people and NFL fans. You can't 1020 00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:46,146 Speaker 1: give a take without a million people. I thought I 1021 00:49:46,146 --> 00:49:48,746 Speaker 1: felt bad for Mike Vick on Saturday, and I'll talk 1022 00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:50,746 Speaker 1: to him. He's been great on our show, but like 1023 00:49:51,066 --> 00:49:53,266 Speaker 1: he comes out with that take and he's just coming honestly, 1024 00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:54,706 Speaker 1: he's like I played on a on a spring to 1025 00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:57,346 Speaker 1: mcl it sucked, but like if he can go, I 1026 00:49:57,346 --> 00:49:58,826 Speaker 1: would love to see him go because I never want 1027 00:49:58,826 --> 00:50:01,186 Speaker 1: a super Bowl and it's the ultimate whatever and Mike. 1028 00:50:01,306 --> 00:50:03,906 Speaker 1: You know, Mike got my got crushed crushed for it, 1029 00:50:03,986 --> 00:50:06,386 Speaker 1: you got skewered, And I'm like, well, look, it's very 1030 00:50:06,426 --> 00:50:08,786 Speaker 1: low hanging fruit to just come out there and be like, 1031 00:50:10,026 --> 00:50:12,706 Speaker 1: Lamar should do what's best for him or Lamar, we 1032 00:50:12,706 --> 00:50:15,146 Speaker 1: don't know if he's like my kind of take. And 1033 00:50:15,186 --> 00:50:17,946 Speaker 1: if you have a take on TV, you're gonna get cobbered. Yeah, 1034 00:50:18,066 --> 00:50:20,986 Speaker 1: and I and you know, it's it's just being on TV, 1035 00:50:21,266 --> 00:50:24,426 Speaker 1: having your face there. I get really uncomfortable performing and 1036 00:50:24,466 --> 00:50:26,466 Speaker 1: I don't like performing, and I don't like being told 1037 00:50:26,466 --> 00:50:28,786 Speaker 1: what to say, and so like here that never happens, 1038 00:50:29,266 --> 00:50:31,026 Speaker 1: you know. So I mean, for the most part, I 1039 00:50:31,026 --> 00:50:33,186 Speaker 1: think find your groove in this in this side of 1040 00:50:33,226 --> 00:50:35,746 Speaker 1: things is just having conversations. And that's why I know 1041 00:50:35,826 --> 00:50:38,026 Speaker 1: you like doing the podcast. You know, it's like a 1042 00:50:38,106 --> 00:50:40,546 Speaker 1: night and a nice change of pace. So I love it. 1043 00:50:40,586 --> 00:50:42,826 Speaker 1: I love Good Morning Football because I feel like we're 1044 00:50:42,826 --> 00:50:46,146 Speaker 1: the closest thing to a podcast where it's just for people. Yes, 1045 00:50:46,186 --> 00:50:47,986 Speaker 1: and you guys do a really good job. And by 1046 00:50:47,986 --> 00:50:50,306 Speaker 1: the way, mccordy is great or at all is great. 1047 00:50:50,386 --> 00:50:52,506 Speaker 1: Like we've talked about this before, Like you guys have 1048 00:50:52,506 --> 00:50:55,186 Speaker 1: not missed a beat. I mean, it was just really 1049 00:50:55,226 --> 00:50:58,786 Speaker 1: well respected. And I'm especially excited to see McCarty because 1050 00:50:58,826 --> 00:51:02,106 Speaker 1: I know I know Jason a little bit and he's 1051 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:05,506 Speaker 1: just's he's fun to see on there. Yeah. Um, I 1052 00:51:05,506 --> 00:51:07,906 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much, man, I think you're a unicorn 1053 00:51:07,906 --> 00:51:10,266 Speaker 1: in the sports media landscape, but also just a great dude. 1054 00:51:10,266 --> 00:51:12,666 Speaker 1: And hopefully you'll be at Super Bowl this year, party 1055 00:51:12,666 --> 00:51:14,546 Speaker 1: on a party on a rooftop like last time. Let's 1056 00:51:14,546 --> 00:51:16,306 Speaker 1: do it, man, you'll be a little warmer, I think 1057 00:51:16,626 --> 00:51:19,866 Speaker 1: I know. All right, Chris Long, great stuff, man, Thank you, 1058 00:51:19,986 --> 00:51:26,186 Speaker 1: Thanks Peter. Chris Long was great, and I have a 1059 00:51:26,226 --> 00:51:28,706 Speaker 1: feeling our next guest is going to be great as well. 1060 00:51:28,746 --> 00:51:31,066 Speaker 1: All right, So if you listen to the podcast every week, 1061 00:51:31,106 --> 00:51:33,586 Speaker 1: we've got an NFL guest of some sort of coach 1062 00:51:33,626 --> 00:51:37,186 Speaker 1: at GM, of a current player, a former player. And 1063 00:51:37,226 --> 00:51:39,586 Speaker 1: then we also will have on a friend of mine 1064 00:51:39,746 --> 00:51:41,906 Speaker 1: who doesn't work in the NFL. It could either be 1065 00:51:41,946 --> 00:51:44,986 Speaker 1: a friend from college, from high school, friend from elementary school. 1066 00:51:45,266 --> 00:51:48,906 Speaker 1: In this case, it's a buddy of mine from Baltimore. 1067 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:51,666 Speaker 1: And oh yes, we're talking Ravens. We're gonna do a 1068 00:51:51,746 --> 00:51:54,866 Speaker 1: Ravens deep dive with my buddy, Jeremy, Jeremy, how are 1069 00:51:54,866 --> 00:51:57,546 Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing great. Peter, how are you this morning? 1070 00:51:57,946 --> 00:52:00,266 Speaker 1: Are you great? You don't sound great when you're texting 1071 00:52:00,266 --> 00:52:03,506 Speaker 1: me all night on Sunday about play calls? Like, what 1072 00:52:03,706 --> 00:52:05,946 Speaker 1: is the what is the feel of Ravens fans right 1073 00:52:05,986 --> 00:52:09,066 Speaker 1: now as it's Tuesday morning after that loss? Well, I 1074 00:52:09,106 --> 00:52:11,466 Speaker 1: can't lie. I do have some relief after all the 1075 00:52:11,546 --> 00:52:14,746 Speaker 1: drama that we experienced towards the end of the season. Um, 1076 00:52:14,786 --> 00:52:17,466 Speaker 1: this has been after being a Ravens fan for twenty 1077 00:52:17,466 --> 00:52:24,106 Speaker 1: plus years. This was the most joyless playoff experience that 1078 00:52:24,146 --> 00:52:27,386 Speaker 1: we've had the last part of the year. You know, 1079 00:52:27,506 --> 00:52:29,626 Speaker 1: the lack of excitement. It just felt like one of 1080 00:52:29,666 --> 00:52:32,226 Speaker 1: those TV shows that used to be really good, but 1081 00:52:32,306 --> 00:52:34,866 Speaker 1: you just you know it's bad and you're still finishing 1082 00:52:34,866 --> 00:52:38,266 Speaker 1: out the episodes because you're such a fan of the 1083 00:52:38,826 --> 00:52:41,426 Speaker 1: of the series at one point. Yeah, Like I felt 1084 00:52:41,426 --> 00:52:43,866 Speaker 1: like Homeland had a really good first three seasons and 1085 00:52:43,906 --> 00:52:45,546 Speaker 1: then we kind of teetered out at the end, But 1086 00:52:45,626 --> 00:52:47,266 Speaker 1: you just watched it at a commitment because of the 1087 00:52:47,306 --> 00:52:50,346 Speaker 1: joy you used to have. Let's get into it, Um, 1088 00:52:50,426 --> 00:52:52,106 Speaker 1: where do you want to start off first? Because you're 1089 00:52:52,106 --> 00:52:54,506 Speaker 1: critical of everybody, and I love that about you. Do 1090 00:52:54,506 --> 00:52:56,906 Speaker 1: you want to start with Lamar Hardball the play call? 1091 00:52:56,946 --> 00:52:59,306 Speaker 1: Where do you want to go? I think we should 1092 00:52:59,346 --> 00:53:04,466 Speaker 1: start with the longest standing person, that's John Harball. So 1093 00:53:04,706 --> 00:53:06,866 Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to take a back 1094 00:53:06,906 --> 00:53:09,466 Speaker 1: and look at the lack of playoffs success over the 1095 00:53:09,466 --> 00:53:12,266 Speaker 1: past ten years and the lack of the ability to 1096 00:53:12,346 --> 00:53:18,586 Speaker 1: adapt to modern NFL passing offense. So you know, Hardball 1097 00:53:18,786 --> 00:53:22,746 Speaker 1: pretty much had a rookie quarterback. There was an m 1098 00:53:22,826 --> 00:53:25,706 Speaker 1: v P on a rookie deal. Um and his brother 1099 00:53:25,786 --> 00:53:28,586 Speaker 1: said at Michigan that's like starting on third base, right, 1100 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:32,626 Speaker 1: I mean, how many gms start their job, right, how 1101 00:53:32,626 --> 00:53:35,746 Speaker 1: many gms start their job with an NFL m v P. 1102 00:53:36,306 --> 00:53:39,066 Speaker 1: That's a quarterback on a rookie deal. And this what 1103 00:53:39,106 --> 00:53:42,306 Speaker 1: you saw, you know against Since on Sunday Night. That 1104 00:53:42,466 --> 00:53:45,626 Speaker 1: was the result of building a team with those advantages, 1105 00:53:45,866 --> 00:53:48,826 Speaker 1: you know, So I mean for me, that's you know, 1106 00:53:48,906 --> 00:53:53,026 Speaker 1: that's where I would start. When you see Hardball being 1107 00:53:53,066 --> 00:53:56,226 Speaker 1: a little short with Melissa Stark on on Sunday Night, 1108 00:53:56,386 --> 00:53:58,746 Speaker 1: and you see some of the play calls offensively from 1109 00:53:58,786 --> 00:54:02,106 Speaker 1: Greg Roman, it starts opening wounds for a lot of 1110 00:54:02,186 --> 00:54:03,706 Speaker 1: Ravens fans, and I heard from them all the time 1111 00:54:03,706 --> 00:54:05,866 Speaker 1: when I'm on the show, saying, fire Roman, Fire Roman. 1112 00:54:05,906 --> 00:54:08,626 Speaker 1: Do you blame Roman for what's going on and how 1113 00:54:08,666 --> 00:54:10,586 Speaker 1: this last few years have gone? Yeah, I mean I 1114 00:54:10,666 --> 00:54:14,346 Speaker 1: blame Greg Roman. Obviously Roman should have been replaced years ago. 1115 00:54:14,426 --> 00:54:16,386 Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at the playoffs right now. Do 1116 00:54:16,426 --> 00:54:19,506 Speaker 1: you think the Bills are the Niners regret replacing Greg 1117 00:54:19,586 --> 00:54:22,586 Speaker 1: Roman at this point? Look at them, both of them 1118 00:54:22,586 --> 00:54:25,626 Speaker 1: fired Bret Roman in the past ten years, and look 1119 00:54:25,626 --> 00:54:29,346 Speaker 1: at them. They're not suffering. Um, even the Eagles. You know, 1120 00:54:29,386 --> 00:54:33,106 Speaker 1: people say hardball is not replaceable. The Eagles fired Andy Reid, 1121 00:54:33,186 --> 00:54:35,666 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl, fired that coach, and now we're 1122 00:54:35,706 --> 00:54:38,386 Speaker 1: back in the top seats. So I think Baltimore is 1123 00:54:38,386 --> 00:54:42,506 Speaker 1: afraid of change at some level. Um. I think Hardball 1124 00:54:42,506 --> 00:54:45,546 Speaker 1: answering those questions and getting very short with Melissa Stark, 1125 00:54:45,586 --> 00:54:49,426 Speaker 1: who by the way, is also of Baltimore uh product herself, 1126 00:54:51,186 --> 00:54:54,706 Speaker 1: I believe, uh so she knows Hardball very well over 1127 00:54:54,746 --> 00:54:57,506 Speaker 1: the years. Um. And you know, I think that Hardball 1128 00:54:57,586 --> 00:54:59,946 Speaker 1: is uncomfortable answering questions when he gets out of the 1129 00:54:59,986 --> 00:55:03,626 Speaker 1: castle and doesn't have full control over betting of questions. 1130 00:55:03,666 --> 00:55:06,306 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. I mean a lot 1131 00:55:06,546 --> 00:55:09,266 Speaker 1: the issues with Harball over the past few weeks with 1132 00:55:09,346 --> 00:55:12,786 Speaker 1: lamar Um, he could have just answered honestly, like he 1133 00:55:12,826 --> 00:55:14,866 Speaker 1: put it out there at the Rich eyesend that you know, 1134 00:55:14,986 --> 00:55:17,346 Speaker 1: he could play with the Brace against the Browns instead 1135 00:55:17,346 --> 00:55:20,306 Speaker 1: of just being honest saying, you know, maybe he's more 1136 00:55:20,386 --> 00:55:23,226 Speaker 1: hurt than we anticipated. I don't know, but he made 1137 00:55:23,266 --> 00:55:25,146 Speaker 1: it much worse. And this is not the first time 1138 00:55:25,186 --> 00:55:28,066 Speaker 1: Harball has had this issue with you know, going over injuries. 1139 00:55:28,066 --> 00:55:30,306 Speaker 1: It goes back to Brashad Perriman who had a week 1140 00:55:30,346 --> 00:55:33,306 Speaker 1: to week injury than would lost a year. Um. Even 1141 00:55:33,386 --> 00:55:35,106 Speaker 1: Dobbins this year, and we can get to him in 1142 00:55:35,106 --> 00:55:37,946 Speaker 1: a second with the usage of Roman and Dobbins this weekend, 1143 00:55:37,986 --> 00:55:41,346 Speaker 1: which was a huge problem. But you know, Dobbin's got 1144 00:55:41,386 --> 00:55:44,066 Speaker 1: a surgery this year to clean up his knee, and 1145 00:55:44,146 --> 00:55:46,866 Speaker 1: even people in the organization weren't really supportive of that. 1146 00:55:46,946 --> 00:55:49,866 Speaker 1: He said, um, and he's been pretty candid lately. So 1147 00:55:50,666 --> 00:55:53,026 Speaker 1: you know, Harball has come out there and it's kind 1148 00:55:53,066 --> 00:55:56,026 Speaker 1: of he hasn't said it directly, but he's blamed a 1149 00:55:56,066 --> 00:55:58,466 Speaker 1: lot of these players for not getting back out there faster, 1150 00:55:58,586 --> 00:56:01,546 Speaker 1: even Ronnie Stanley, you know, over the past few years, 1151 00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:05,466 Speaker 1: and you know, he leaves a lot of trust issues 1152 00:56:05,546 --> 00:56:08,026 Speaker 1: within the players and the fans. And that's where those 1153 00:56:08,026 --> 00:56:10,546 Speaker 1: type of interviews are interesting for us to see because 1154 00:56:10,546 --> 00:56:13,066 Speaker 1: he gets some real, you know, fastballs instead of the 1155 00:56:13,066 --> 00:56:17,026 Speaker 1: softballs you get to the castle. All right. The Lamar 1156 00:56:17,146 --> 00:56:21,226 Speaker 1: situation has been dissected by everybody and their mother. And 1157 00:56:21,226 --> 00:56:24,586 Speaker 1: it's interesting because this week on My Fox show on Saturday, 1158 00:56:24,626 --> 00:56:27,746 Speaker 1: Michael Vick and Charles Woodson actually came out and said, 1159 00:56:27,906 --> 00:56:29,746 Speaker 1: put a brace on it, you know, like these are 1160 00:56:29,746 --> 00:56:32,386 Speaker 1: guys who played hurt and they said, I'd like to 1161 00:56:32,426 --> 00:56:36,226 Speaker 1: see him try and they got killed online and everyone said, 1162 00:56:36,466 --> 00:56:38,346 Speaker 1: you can't talk about another man's health. And I think 1163 00:56:38,346 --> 00:56:41,426 Speaker 1: there's a generational thing with the ex players where you know, 1164 00:56:41,506 --> 00:56:43,786 Speaker 1: Vick and Woodson are from a generation before some of 1165 00:56:43,826 --> 00:56:46,626 Speaker 1: the current players and maybe Jason mccordy on my show 1166 00:56:46,626 --> 00:56:48,306 Speaker 1: on Good Morning Football. And I hate to generalize because 1167 00:56:48,306 --> 00:56:51,866 Speaker 1: I know every player is different, but mccordy was, you know, help, 1168 00:56:51,986 --> 00:56:54,266 Speaker 1: no way you play if your if your knee is 1169 00:56:54,306 --> 00:56:55,706 Speaker 1: and you don't have a contract. You don't know what 1170 00:56:55,786 --> 00:56:58,386 Speaker 1: to them, like, hell no, you don't play, And he said, 1171 00:56:58,426 --> 00:57:01,226 Speaker 1: I played hurt, but I wasn't Lamar Jackson, and in 1172 00:57:01,266 --> 00:57:03,266 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I didn't have two million dollars 1173 00:57:03,306 --> 00:57:06,866 Speaker 1: laying in the balance. What has come out over the 1174 00:57:06,906 --> 00:57:10,866 Speaker 1: last few days is that like Lamar put that tweet 1175 00:57:10,906 --> 00:57:14,626 Speaker 1: out himself with the injuries, and then the Ravens obviously 1176 00:57:14,666 --> 00:57:16,826 Speaker 1: weren't thrilled that he did that and didn't go through 1177 00:57:16,866 --> 00:57:20,466 Speaker 1: their communication channels. Then he doesn't travel with the team, 1178 00:57:20,466 --> 00:57:22,426 Speaker 1: and we don't know still even today on Tuesday, whether 1179 00:57:22,466 --> 00:57:24,786 Speaker 1: it's team policy that you traveled the team or not. 1180 00:57:24,826 --> 00:57:26,666 Speaker 1: He did travel to Pittsburgh a few weeks back and 1181 00:57:26,706 --> 00:57:29,226 Speaker 1: had his arm around Tyler Huntley. Uh, you know the 1182 00:57:29,386 --> 00:57:32,906 Speaker 1: entire game. So gosh, I'll ask this. He's a free 1183 00:57:32,906 --> 00:57:36,146 Speaker 1: agent right now as the season ends. Would you be 1184 00:57:36,146 --> 00:57:40,266 Speaker 1: devastated if Lamar Jackson never puts on a Ravens jersey again? Uh? Yeah. First, 1185 00:57:40,386 --> 00:57:41,906 Speaker 1: the first thing I wanted to say is I thought 1186 00:57:41,906 --> 00:57:44,626 Speaker 1: the VIC piece was interesting because he could argue no 1187 00:57:44,746 --> 00:57:47,386 Speaker 1: player lost more earnings in his career than Michael Vick 1188 00:57:47,626 --> 00:57:50,626 Speaker 1: over the course of his career right with with his 1189 00:57:50,706 --> 00:57:54,306 Speaker 1: decision making. So that was interesting for Vic to speak 1190 00:57:54,306 --> 00:57:58,026 Speaker 1: out so strongly. Um, I think most Ravens fans would 1191 00:57:58,026 --> 00:58:01,626 Speaker 1: be devastated with, you know, losing Lamar, especially the guys 1192 00:58:01,666 --> 00:58:04,866 Speaker 1: twenty six years old and you've never seen him in 1193 00:58:04,986 --> 00:58:09,706 Speaker 1: any other offense but you know, basic running offense the 1194 00:58:09,826 --> 00:58:12,506 Speaker 1: Roman has put out there. So you know, I think 1195 00:58:12,546 --> 00:58:15,626 Speaker 1: that to lose a player without even seeing an absolute 1196 00:58:15,666 --> 00:58:20,186 Speaker 1: superstar in another system would be a real like devastating 1197 00:58:20,226 --> 00:58:22,066 Speaker 1: blow for a lot of Ravens fans. But I also 1198 00:58:22,146 --> 00:58:25,306 Speaker 1: think that there are sub Ravens fans now that feel 1199 00:58:25,386 --> 00:58:27,626 Speaker 1: like too many bridges have been burned and you have 1200 00:58:27,746 --> 00:58:30,106 Speaker 1: to move on at this point, which, you know, which 1201 00:58:30,146 --> 00:58:32,986 Speaker 1: is a you know, a pretty valid take, except for 1202 00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,626 Speaker 1: the fact that you don't replace superstars. You don't replace 1203 00:58:35,666 --> 00:58:39,026 Speaker 1: guys like this, like you were talking about last week 1204 00:58:39,066 --> 00:58:42,866 Speaker 1: with Kawai Leonard in the NBA having trust issues and 1205 00:58:42,906 --> 00:58:44,906 Speaker 1: he moved on from the Spurs. But you know, the 1206 00:58:44,946 --> 00:58:47,586 Speaker 1: Spurs are in last place and Kwai Leonards won a title, 1207 00:58:48,026 --> 00:58:50,426 Speaker 1: so you know, you can't really move on from these 1208 00:58:50,426 --> 00:58:55,466 Speaker 1: guys and not have any uh, you know, repercussions and 1209 00:58:55,666 --> 00:58:58,226 Speaker 1: even sticking with the n b A, I mean, part 1210 00:58:58,226 --> 00:59:00,346 Speaker 1: of the main issue with a lot of fans, are 1211 00:59:00,666 --> 00:59:03,786 Speaker 1: you know, even Michael Jordan and Steph Curry needed coaching 1212 00:59:03,866 --> 00:59:06,146 Speaker 1: changes and regime changes to get to where they wanted 1213 00:59:06,186 --> 00:59:08,626 Speaker 1: to go, and so sometimes you need to do that 1214 00:59:08,826 --> 00:59:10,706 Speaker 1: and you just haven't seen it with the Ravens. So 1215 00:59:10,746 --> 00:59:12,906 Speaker 1: I think you would have some regret from a lot 1216 00:59:12,946 --> 00:59:15,706 Speaker 1: of fans that they didn't try doing this before year 1217 00:59:15,826 --> 00:59:19,186 Speaker 1: five or six with Lamar. Yeah, it's a great point, dude, 1218 00:59:19,186 --> 00:59:20,786 Speaker 1: And I know, like I bring you on as like 1219 00:59:20,826 --> 00:59:22,986 Speaker 1: the Ravens fan, and you think it's gonna be some 1220 00:59:23,106 --> 00:59:25,546 Speaker 1: hysterics or some sports talk radio stuff, like you make 1221 00:59:25,626 --> 00:59:28,226 Speaker 1: really good salient points, and the one I would make 1222 00:59:28,266 --> 00:59:31,506 Speaker 1: when you say about the bridges being burned. I thought 1223 00:59:31,546 --> 00:59:32,946 Speaker 1: it was interesting that a lot of the players came 1224 00:59:32,946 --> 00:59:35,426 Speaker 1: out and supported Lamar after the game and they weren't 1225 00:59:35,466 --> 00:59:38,306 Speaker 1: like hell, I played on like you know, an injury, 1226 00:59:38,386 --> 00:59:41,706 Speaker 1: like no. Marlon Humphrey was out there saying like Lamar 1227 00:59:41,946 --> 00:59:44,986 Speaker 1: is hobbling around the facility like what. So I thought 1228 00:59:45,066 --> 00:59:48,266 Speaker 1: that because to me, it's when you lose the locker 1229 00:59:48,386 --> 00:59:50,026 Speaker 1: room and they're like we just let let it all 1230 00:59:50,066 --> 00:59:51,866 Speaker 1: on the line and you just decided not to play, 1231 00:59:51,906 --> 00:59:55,906 Speaker 1: like that could be cancerous or worrisome. But from what 1232 00:59:55,946 --> 00:59:59,386 Speaker 1: it sounds like not a single Ravens player has thrown 1233 00:59:59,426 --> 01:00:02,746 Speaker 1: Lamar under the bus. No. I mean, you just had 1234 01:00:02,826 --> 01:00:06,586 Speaker 1: that brief take with Sammy Watkins last week and which 1235 01:00:06,626 --> 01:00:08,866 Speaker 1: I think was weird, Like I don't think Sammy was 1236 01:00:08,946 --> 01:00:11,266 Speaker 1: coming at Lamar. It was a strange quote and Sammy, 1237 01:00:11,386 --> 01:00:13,426 Speaker 1: I don't think I had any intention of like questioning 1238 01:00:13,506 --> 01:00:16,066 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's like, you know what I mean, Yeah, it was. 1239 01:00:16,346 --> 01:00:18,506 Speaker 1: It was interesting to get it from Sammy Watkins, who 1240 01:00:18,506 --> 01:00:20,426 Speaker 1: hasn't even been around the team the whole year and 1241 01:00:20,506 --> 01:00:22,826 Speaker 1: kind of just had a brief stint for one year 1242 01:00:22,906 --> 01:00:25,586 Speaker 1: the year before. But you know, all the players love him. 1243 01:00:25,626 --> 01:00:29,066 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. And uh, you know, I 1244 01:00:29,106 --> 01:00:32,146 Speaker 1: think that whatever you end up doing, it's gonna be 1245 01:00:32,266 --> 01:00:36,106 Speaker 1: very tough to replace him, uh, you know, especially when 1246 01:00:36,146 --> 01:00:38,786 Speaker 1: he's covered up for so many deficiencies for hardball and 1247 01:00:38,826 --> 01:00:41,466 Speaker 1: to costa over the years, you know. And and I 1248 01:00:41,506 --> 01:00:45,266 Speaker 1: think that, you know, if they rebuild, if they decided 1249 01:00:45,306 --> 01:00:47,986 Speaker 1: to rebuild, do you think that they can even do it? Really, 1250 01:00:48,026 --> 01:00:50,426 Speaker 1: you look at everything they've done since they've had Lamar. 1251 01:00:50,506 --> 01:00:53,026 Speaker 1: They didn't sign him when he was you know, eligible, 1252 01:00:53,066 --> 01:00:55,426 Speaker 1: and then they keep loading into the defense, and then 1253 01:00:56,066 --> 01:00:58,226 Speaker 1: you know some people would ask this year if he 1254 01:00:58,346 --> 01:01:00,226 Speaker 1: was holding out, why would he hold out in the 1255 01:01:00,226 --> 01:01:03,746 Speaker 1: middle of the year, right, And you know, I don't 1256 01:01:03,746 --> 01:01:05,746 Speaker 1: think he was. I think he was really hurt. But 1257 01:01:05,826 --> 01:01:09,106 Speaker 1: you know, when Shot Bateman goes down, what do they do? 1258 01:01:09,146 --> 01:01:12,186 Speaker 1: They go trade for a linebacker, you know, that's what 1259 01:01:12,226 --> 01:01:14,706 Speaker 1: they do. That's their answers, They trade for a linebackers 1260 01:01:14,706 --> 01:01:17,226 Speaker 1: on that O'Dell talk this year, and I'm like, I 1261 01:01:17,226 --> 01:01:19,626 Speaker 1: can give you thirty one teams that O'Dell will sign 1262 01:01:19,706 --> 01:01:21,546 Speaker 1: with before he'll sign with the Ravens. This he's end 1263 01:01:21,826 --> 01:01:24,146 Speaker 1: den inside with any But like, that's not that's not 1264 01:01:24,226 --> 01:01:26,186 Speaker 1: that wasn't a place for Odell Beckham because it's just 1265 01:01:26,266 --> 01:01:28,706 Speaker 1: receiver is not a priority for the Baltimore Ravens. No, 1266 01:01:28,826 --> 01:01:31,266 Speaker 1: it's not, I mean it's not. I mean, you know 1267 01:01:31,346 --> 01:01:34,466 Speaker 1: they have great Roman there, who they if he wasn't 1268 01:01:34,506 --> 01:01:37,586 Speaker 1: being effective and they couldn't score, they also had t 1269 01:01:37,826 --> 01:01:40,146 Speaker 1: Martin sitting in the wings. And why not give him 1270 01:01:40,146 --> 01:01:42,906 Speaker 1: a chance? You know, he interviewed with the Bills last year. 1271 01:01:42,946 --> 01:01:46,426 Speaker 1: I don't see Roman getting interviews anywhere, you know, so 1272 01:01:46,506 --> 01:01:48,586 Speaker 1: why not give him a chance while he's there? What's 1273 01:01:48,626 --> 01:01:52,426 Speaker 1: the downside, you're you know, they didn't score twenty points 1274 01:01:52,466 --> 01:01:56,306 Speaker 1: since Thanksgiving. The last time they scored over twenty points 1275 01:01:56,426 --> 01:01:59,106 Speaker 1: was when Lamar played at the Jaguars. Do you expect 1276 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,786 Speaker 1: to win playoff games and the modern NFL scoring fifteen 1277 01:02:01,786 --> 01:02:04,706 Speaker 1: to seventeen points? Do you think that? I mean, that's 1278 01:02:04,706 --> 01:02:06,786 Speaker 1: not going to happen. This is so the is why 1279 01:02:06,786 --> 01:02:09,266 Speaker 1: it's so depressing as a Ravens fan, Like you know, 1280 01:02:09,346 --> 01:02:13,026 Speaker 1: this has been You're a joyous guy. You're one of 1281 01:02:13,026 --> 01:02:15,426 Speaker 1: the happiest people. I know. Your joyce and it sounds 1282 01:02:15,466 --> 01:02:18,946 Speaker 1: like this is therapy right now. Yeah, yeah, I mean 1283 01:02:19,146 --> 01:02:22,946 Speaker 1: it's it's been a long few years, especially dealing with this, 1284 01:02:23,026 --> 01:02:25,666 Speaker 1: you know, and now they're stuck with this situation. So 1285 01:02:25,986 --> 01:02:28,506 Speaker 1: here we are, all right, So let's let's wrap it 1286 01:02:28,586 --> 01:02:31,786 Speaker 1: with this. Then I'm gonna give you three scenarios. Tell 1287 01:02:31,786 --> 01:02:35,906 Speaker 1: me which you would be. You would choose a Lamar walks. 1288 01:02:37,106 --> 01:02:39,266 Speaker 1: You don't get anything from him, You cut the bridge, 1289 01:02:39,386 --> 01:02:43,026 Speaker 1: whatever be your franchise, tag him, and you shop him, 1290 01:02:43,066 --> 01:02:45,226 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, all offseason there's trade rumors. 1291 01:02:45,826 --> 01:02:49,906 Speaker 1: There's that see you sign Lamar Jackson for what I 1292 01:02:49,906 --> 01:02:53,826 Speaker 1: believe he wants two million dollars with a lot of 1293 01:02:53,866 --> 01:02:56,826 Speaker 1: that guaranteed, that Deshaun Watson deal. You have to pick 1294 01:02:56,866 --> 01:02:58,866 Speaker 1: one of those three. And knowing between what is the 1295 01:02:58,946 --> 01:03:02,386 Speaker 1: Ravens fan perspective on that, you know, I can't speak 1296 01:03:02,506 --> 01:03:05,506 Speaker 1: for a lot of the casual fans out there, but 1297 01:03:06,066 --> 01:03:08,426 Speaker 1: for fans of most of them, wouldn't let go of 1298 01:03:08,466 --> 01:03:10,666 Speaker 1: the kind of talent Lamar is. There's a lot of 1299 01:03:10,666 --> 01:03:14,266 Speaker 1: casual fans who say trade them, but I would resign Lamar. 1300 01:03:14,946 --> 01:03:18,506 Speaker 1: I would change their offensive ecosystem to something in like 1301 01:03:18,546 --> 01:03:22,266 Speaker 1: the modern NFL you know has, and I would go 1302 01:03:22,306 --> 01:03:24,746 Speaker 1: from there. I think that's your best chance of competing 1303 01:03:24,906 --> 01:03:28,506 Speaker 1: with mahomes Alan and Burrow moving forward period. I am 1304 01:03:28,546 --> 01:03:30,426 Speaker 1: with you, bro, and I think you do pay him 1305 01:03:30,466 --> 01:03:33,026 Speaker 1: what Deshaun Watson makes and you deal with it like 1306 01:03:33,426 --> 01:03:35,826 Speaker 1: that's the market to have Lamar Jackson, who's the face 1307 01:03:35,866 --> 01:03:40,626 Speaker 1: of the Baltimore franchise, that's the market. Look, Kyler took 1308 01:03:41,266 --> 01:03:44,266 Speaker 1: a little less, but Lamar is way more accomplished than Kyler. 1309 01:03:44,306 --> 01:03:47,826 Speaker 1: In the NFL, they gave all that money to Shawn Watson. 1310 01:03:48,026 --> 01:03:50,946 Speaker 1: You can't blame Lamar Jackson for Cleveland doing that and 1311 01:03:50,986 --> 01:03:52,946 Speaker 1: hold it against him. That's what the market is. So 1312 01:03:53,626 --> 01:03:55,666 Speaker 1: it's really tough pill to swallow. I know, I know 1313 01:03:55,706 --> 01:03:58,466 Speaker 1: they offered him something or they were talking about offerings, 1314 01:03:58,626 --> 01:03:59,906 Speaker 1: and he like kind of didn't want it that I 1315 01:03:59,906 --> 01:04:02,666 Speaker 1: don't know all the details, but he wasn't as as 1316 01:04:02,666 --> 01:04:04,706 Speaker 1: previous like I think you've give him what he wants, 1317 01:04:04,786 --> 01:04:08,826 Speaker 1: especially because right now it's ugly and it's like if 1318 01:04:08,826 --> 01:04:11,146 Speaker 1: he leaves and God forbid he leaves and goes to 1319 01:04:11,146 --> 01:04:13,866 Speaker 1: another team and goes and has great success. That might 1320 01:04:13,866 --> 01:04:17,146 Speaker 1: be one of the great blunders in NFL history, letting 1321 01:04:17,226 --> 01:04:19,546 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson at twenty six years old walk out the door. 1322 01:04:19,906 --> 01:04:21,986 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean the markets. The market. You know, 1323 01:04:22,066 --> 01:04:24,306 Speaker 1: you may not want to pay something for a house 1324 01:04:24,306 --> 01:04:26,986 Speaker 1: in a certain neighborhood, but guess what if that's the market, 1325 01:04:27,026 --> 01:04:28,706 Speaker 1: that's what it is. So you can either live there 1326 01:04:28,786 --> 01:04:31,346 Speaker 1: or you don't. Okay, Now that the Raven season is over, 1327 01:04:31,906 --> 01:04:33,946 Speaker 1: I know you're a die hard terms fan, You're a 1328 01:04:33,986 --> 01:04:37,146 Speaker 1: die hard Wisconsin Badgers fan. Where do you turn all 1329 01:04:37,146 --> 01:04:39,786 Speaker 1: that energy to sports wise after the season is over? 1330 01:04:40,306 --> 01:04:42,906 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm already looking at the NFL draft. 1331 01:04:44,506 --> 01:04:49,146 Speaker 1: The terms are in to rebuild. I you know, I 1332 01:04:49,226 --> 01:04:53,466 Speaker 1: started looking at quarterbacks. Uh, you know for the following 1333 01:04:53,506 --> 01:04:55,906 Speaker 1: few years, especially looking at the teams I think Lamar 1334 01:04:55,986 --> 01:05:00,666 Speaker 1: could go to. And you know, it's it's rough. It's depressing, man, 1335 01:05:00,826 --> 01:05:03,226 Speaker 1: it's really depressing when you think about trying to look 1336 01:05:03,226 --> 01:05:05,266 Speaker 1: for another quarterback when you have a twenty six year 1337 01:05:05,306 --> 01:05:08,426 Speaker 1: old m v P very quarterback prospect or prospect at 1338 01:05:08,466 --> 01:05:10,546 Speaker 1: all in the college game that you have your eye 1339 01:05:10,546 --> 01:05:12,586 Speaker 1: on that we could all just say. On January sevent 1340 01:05:13,186 --> 01:05:15,906 Speaker 1: Jeremy said, hey, circle, this guy, he's going to be 1341 01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:18,906 Speaker 1: a draft steal. Well, I mean, you know, not this year, 1342 01:05:19,266 --> 01:05:22,506 Speaker 1: but I like the kid from USC who's actually a 1343 01:05:22,546 --> 01:05:26,066 Speaker 1: local product for next year. That's the problem. So you know, 1344 01:05:26,146 --> 01:05:30,546 Speaker 1: this quarterback class is not as strong as I think 1345 01:05:30,666 --> 01:05:36,106 Speaker 1: some think it will be, but you know it's still Listen, 1346 01:05:36,346 --> 01:05:40,266 Speaker 1: I think that the kid from Alabama it is a 1347 01:05:40,946 --> 01:05:43,106 Speaker 1: you know, an exception to the role with his size. 1348 01:05:43,346 --> 01:05:45,426 Speaker 1: But I like Stroud the best. If if I had 1349 01:05:45,466 --> 01:05:48,026 Speaker 1: to pick a quarterback, I picked Stroud. He's, you know, 1350 01:05:48,026 --> 01:05:51,106 Speaker 1: I got the prototypical size and and he's played with 1351 01:05:51,146 --> 01:05:53,186 Speaker 1: a lot of good receivers over the years and has 1352 01:05:53,186 --> 01:05:55,826 Speaker 1: put the ball where he needed to be. C. J. Stroud. 1353 01:05:55,826 --> 01:05:58,146 Speaker 1: All right, Jeremy, thank you. Um, I wanted to get 1354 01:05:58,186 --> 01:06:00,346 Speaker 1: the pulse of the Ravens fan and if I could 1355 01:06:00,426 --> 01:06:02,066 Speaker 1: just do some quick takeaways, let me to sum it 1356 01:06:02,066 --> 01:06:06,066 Speaker 1: all up. Romans gotta go, Hardball has to get checked 1357 01:06:06,066 --> 01:06:08,106 Speaker 1: in some way, and Lamar needs to stay. If we 1358 01:06:08,106 --> 01:06:10,266 Speaker 1: can do all that, I think you're gonna be really 1359 01:06:10,306 --> 01:06:12,426 Speaker 1: happy in a couple of weeks. Right, yeah, I'd be 1360 01:06:12,506 --> 01:06:15,946 Speaker 1: very happy. I'd be very happy to see Romans contract 1361 01:06:15,946 --> 01:06:22,066 Speaker 1: not renewed and then move forward with a modern NFL team. Buddy, 1362 01:06:22,186 --> 01:06:26,946 Speaker 1: thank you, you gotta pass. I just can't. It does work. 1363 01:06:27,426 --> 01:06:29,306 Speaker 1: We didn't even get to J. K. Dobbins. We didn't 1364 01:06:29,306 --> 01:06:31,306 Speaker 1: even get to Dobbins. I know we didn't get there, 1365 01:06:31,346 --> 01:06:34,586 Speaker 1: but I mean his comments spoke for themselves, right, I mean, 1366 01:06:34,586 --> 01:06:37,586 Speaker 1: the guy hasn't had seventeen more than seventeen carries in 1367 01:06:37,666 --> 01:06:41,146 Speaker 1: his career, ridiculous. Yeah, he wanted the ball there, But 1368 01:06:41,226 --> 01:06:44,546 Speaker 1: you know what, if we can dive over, if only 1369 01:06:44,586 --> 01:06:48,746 Speaker 1: can dive over from four yards out an entire chwo people, 1370 01:06:48,826 --> 01:06:50,666 Speaker 1: and it would have it would have worked. It would 1371 01:06:50,666 --> 01:06:52,986 Speaker 1: have been fine. Yeah, but you know, Hardball had no 1372 01:06:53,066 --> 01:06:55,666 Speaker 1: problem throwing him under the bus, right, away right saying 1373 01:06:55,706 --> 01:06:58,626 Speaker 1: he should have burrowed under the line. You know, that's 1374 01:06:58,666 --> 01:07:00,906 Speaker 1: he had no problem doing that. And then you know 1375 01:07:00,946 --> 01:07:03,826 Speaker 1: when Huntley said something about the Ravens and the in 1376 01:07:03,906 --> 01:07:08,146 Speaker 1: this postgame press conference, the Ravens you know left that 1377 01:07:08,186 --> 01:07:12,186 Speaker 1: out of their media piece. No, not many people saw 1378 01:07:12,386 --> 01:07:14,426 Speaker 1: they the transcripts. What did he say? I love this? 1379 01:07:14,506 --> 01:07:17,586 Speaker 1: That's what is this story? So yeah, Hanley said something, 1380 01:07:17,666 --> 01:07:19,386 Speaker 1: you know, it would have been nice for Lamar to 1381 01:07:19,426 --> 01:07:21,146 Speaker 1: have been here, if he could be here, meaning I 1382 01:07:21,226 --> 01:07:24,026 Speaker 1: don't know if they didn't let Lamar go for a distraction, 1383 01:07:24,066 --> 01:07:28,626 Speaker 1: who knows, but they scrubbed that from the post game 1384 01:07:29,266 --> 01:07:32,106 Speaker 1: media transcript. I thought that was very interesting, you know, 1385 01:07:32,506 --> 01:07:37,466 Speaker 1: sure is yeah interesting. All right, buddy, thank you, appreciate you, 1386 01:07:37,786 --> 01:07:40,226 Speaker 1: thank you. All right, now, let's get into the playoff 1387 01:07:40,346 --> 01:07:43,706 Speaker 1: preview presented by our friends at Draft Kings Sports Book. 1388 01:07:43,706 --> 01:07:46,386 Speaker 1: I mentioned it last week. We got a sponsor, and 1389 01:07:46,426 --> 01:07:48,546 Speaker 1: I am thrilled that it is Draft Kings because I 1390 01:07:48,586 --> 01:07:51,466 Speaker 1: go back years with Draft Kings. They were sponsors of 1391 01:07:51,466 --> 01:07:54,986 Speaker 1: Good Morning Football. Uh, myself and Nate Burlison did a 1392 01:07:55,026 --> 01:07:57,466 Speaker 1: ton of stuff with Draft Kings. They're they're out there 1393 01:07:57,546 --> 01:08:00,106 Speaker 1: right now and they're putting out their ads, uh mere 1394 01:08:00,146 --> 01:08:03,706 Speaker 1: hours after the Dallas Cowboys beat the Buccaneers, and I'm 1395 01:08:03,706 --> 01:08:05,786 Speaker 1: gonna give it to you right now. Dallas plays at 1396 01:08:05,826 --> 01:08:10,186 Speaker 1: San Francis us GO on Sunday night. Awesome game, and 1397 01:08:10,266 --> 01:08:13,306 Speaker 1: the odds as of this morning per Draft Kings sports 1398 01:08:13,386 --> 01:08:16,826 Speaker 1: Book are Niners are favored by three and a half 1399 01:08:16,906 --> 01:08:22,626 Speaker 1: points minus one ten on that one money line Niners 1400 01:08:22,786 --> 01:08:26,426 Speaker 1: minus one Dallas plus one sixty and then the over 1401 01:08:26,546 --> 01:08:31,026 Speaker 1: under total right now is forty six with minus one 1402 01:08:31,066 --> 01:08:34,146 Speaker 1: ten on that. Um. I look at those lines, and 1403 01:08:34,186 --> 01:08:36,666 Speaker 1: I look at this matchup, and I cannot wait for 1404 01:08:36,706 --> 01:08:40,266 Speaker 1: this freaking game. I'll tell you something. If you asked 1405 01:08:40,266 --> 01:08:43,826 Speaker 1: me on Monday morning how feeling about a potential Cowboys 1406 01:08:43,866 --> 01:08:46,266 Speaker 1: Niners game, I'd say, well, it's gonna be Niners in 1407 01:08:46,266 --> 01:08:48,386 Speaker 1: a in a in a like Niners in a in 1408 01:08:48,426 --> 01:08:52,106 Speaker 1: a walk. Niners look so good on on Saturday and 1409 01:08:52,106 --> 01:08:54,746 Speaker 1: they're rolling and the defense got going and perty got 1410 01:08:54,786 --> 01:08:57,866 Speaker 1: those early jitters out and looked as good as anybody. 1411 01:08:57,946 --> 01:09:00,626 Speaker 1: Do you know who looks better than the Niners? The 1412 01:09:00,706 --> 01:09:04,146 Speaker 1: Cowboys on Monday night. I've never seen Dak play like that, 1413 01:09:04,226 --> 01:09:05,906 Speaker 1: and I know Dak has had huge wins in his 1414 01:09:05,946 --> 01:09:08,386 Speaker 1: regular see is in career and Dak put up forty 1415 01:09:08,426 --> 01:09:13,026 Speaker 1: in Minnesota this year. Dak Prescott was unbelievable on Monday Night. 1416 01:09:13,786 --> 01:09:15,866 Speaker 1: And and it wasn't just it was with Kellen Moore 1417 01:09:15,986 --> 01:09:18,266 Speaker 1: calling all the right plays. And how about Mike McCarthy. 1418 01:09:18,306 --> 01:09:21,066 Speaker 1: Can I give Mike McCarthy some love right now? Mike 1419 01:09:21,186 --> 01:09:25,026 Speaker 1: McCarthy who is often parodied online and has treated like 1420 01:09:25,106 --> 01:09:29,066 Speaker 1: some punching bag, and all the fourth quarter decisions and 1421 01:09:29,106 --> 01:09:32,586 Speaker 1: all the weird game management stuff and the time out mismanagement, 1422 01:09:32,626 --> 01:09:34,346 Speaker 1: and are they going forward? Are they not going for it? 1423 01:09:34,426 --> 01:09:35,826 Speaker 1: Why is he going for it? Why is he not 1424 01:09:35,946 --> 01:09:39,386 Speaker 1: going for it? We get a third and goal up 1425 01:09:39,426 --> 01:09:42,026 Speaker 1: six nothing after the kicker missed the extra point in 1426 01:09:42,066 --> 01:09:45,546 Speaker 1: the last touchdown, and they get stuffed. Everybody and their mother, 1427 01:09:46,066 --> 01:09:48,106 Speaker 1: including Troy Aikman on the calls like I would take 1428 01:09:48,146 --> 01:09:50,946 Speaker 1: the points here, just go up nine nothing, the defensive 1429 01:09:51,026 --> 01:09:53,666 Speaker 1: rolland just go They go for it on fourth down 1430 01:09:53,666 --> 01:09:56,026 Speaker 1: and have one of the slikest play calls of the 1431 01:09:56,186 --> 01:10:00,866 Speaker 1: entire week, a little play action rollout scrambled by Dac 1432 01:10:00,946 --> 01:10:04,226 Speaker 1: and he runs the touchdown in and like they showed McCarthy, 1433 01:10:04,226 --> 01:10:07,146 Speaker 1: and it was like, hell yeah, dude, drop the mic. 1434 01:10:07,866 --> 01:10:10,706 Speaker 1: I'm going with my gut. I'm going authentically with what 1435 01:10:10,906 --> 01:10:13,506 Speaker 1: I believe in, and I'm going with what I want 1436 01:10:13,546 --> 01:10:16,266 Speaker 1: to do, not what the social media people tell me 1437 01:10:16,346 --> 01:10:19,266 Speaker 1: to do, and not worrying about what the critique will 1438 01:10:19,266 --> 01:10:23,066 Speaker 1: be if this fails. McCarthy seems like he's he's he's 1439 01:10:23,066 --> 01:10:26,706 Speaker 1: coached the best playoff game he's coached in and maybe 1440 01:10:26,706 --> 01:10:29,346 Speaker 1: a decade going back to like some of those Packers 1441 01:10:29,346 --> 01:10:31,986 Speaker 1: wins that they had in big moments in the in 1442 01:10:32,026 --> 01:10:35,506 Speaker 1: the mid two thousand's with Rogers. Uh, what a moment 1443 01:10:35,586 --> 01:10:37,786 Speaker 1: this is for these two head coaches. I know everyone 1444 01:10:37,826 --> 01:10:39,346 Speaker 1: talks about the players, but you know, I love the 1445 01:10:39,386 --> 01:10:42,906 Speaker 1: coaches and I look at them. Kyle Shanahan, you think 1446 01:10:42,906 --> 01:10:46,306 Speaker 1: about the three loss when he was the offensive coordinator 1447 01:10:46,346 --> 01:10:48,386 Speaker 1: of the Falcons. You think about the Super Bowl loss 1448 01:10:48,386 --> 01:10:50,226 Speaker 1: when they're up ten in the fourth quarter of the Chiefs. 1449 01:10:50,226 --> 01:10:52,506 Speaker 1: You think about last year's NFC Championship game when they're 1450 01:10:52,546 --> 01:10:55,586 Speaker 1: up ten and Jakoski tart drops that interception and then 1451 01:10:55,626 --> 01:10:57,866 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup scores and then away we go for the 1452 01:10:58,306 --> 01:11:02,666 Speaker 1: for the Rams. All those heartbreaking losses by Kyle Shanahan 1453 01:11:02,746 --> 01:11:06,946 Speaker 1: coach teams. Then you look at McCarthy fired a joke, 1454 01:11:07,786 --> 01:11:11,426 Speaker 1: treated like like some buffoon on Twitter, where two coaches 1455 01:11:11,466 --> 01:11:14,466 Speaker 1: we validated with a Lombardi Trophy this season more than 1456 01:11:14,546 --> 01:11:18,346 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Kyle Shanahan. Gosh, I can't wait for it. 1457 01:11:18,626 --> 01:11:21,506 Speaker 1: Cowboys versus forty Niners, Bring it on. I hope. I 1458 01:11:21,546 --> 01:11:23,186 Speaker 1: wish it was a Thursday night game. I'm ready for 1459 01:11:23,226 --> 01:11:25,266 Speaker 1: it now, but it is Sunday. It's the last one 1460 01:11:25,266 --> 01:11:27,626 Speaker 1: and it's the main event that, my friends was the 1461 01:11:27,626 --> 01:11:31,466 Speaker 1: playoff preview presented by Draft Kings sports Book. 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This beats 1478 01:12:24,386 --> 01:12:27,986 Speaker 1: the Draft, it beats Wildcard Round, it beats Opening weekend. 1479 01:12:28,106 --> 01:12:32,226 Speaker 1: It's divisional Round. You've got eight teams, you've got four games. 1480 01:12:32,306 --> 01:12:35,386 Speaker 1: It's wall to wall. It's great logos, it's great quarterbacks, 1481 01:12:35,466 --> 01:12:39,146 Speaker 1: it's great stories, and it's great for the NFL fan. 1482 01:12:40,066 --> 01:12:42,706 Speaker 1: I want to thank Aaron Wong Kaufman. I want to 1483 01:12:42,746 --> 01:12:45,666 Speaker 1: thank Jason English. I want to thank Jason Kleinman. I 1484 01:12:45,706 --> 01:12:48,066 Speaker 1: want to thank Matt Schneider. I want to thank all 1485 01:12:48,106 --> 01:12:50,386 Speaker 1: the folks who work at I Heeart and NFL Network 1486 01:12:50,426 --> 01:12:52,746 Speaker 1: and helping putting this thing on. And I also want 1487 01:12:52,786 --> 01:12:56,066 Speaker 1: to thank our maestro Jack Rudd, who does the music 1488 01:12:56,106 --> 01:12:58,506 Speaker 1: for this thing. Guys, we'll see you next week. We're 1489 01:12:58,506 --> 01:13:01,386 Speaker 1: gonna be down to four until then, enjoy the games. 1490 01:13:06,466 --> 01:13:21,906 Speaker 1: M H the season with Peter Schrager is a production 1491 01:13:22,026 --> 01:13:24,946 Speaker 1: of the NFL and partnership with I heart Radio. For 1492 01:13:25,026 --> 01:13:27,226 Speaker 1: more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart 1493 01:13:27,306 --> 01:13:31,266 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.