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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told you. From how Supports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And since it is New Year's Eve,

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Speaker 1: as this podcast is coming out, although it might be

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Speaker 1: coming to your ears in two thousand and fifteen, we

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Speaker 1: nonetheless wanted to take a moment and look back over

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Speaker 1: the past year because since we put out two podcasts

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Speaker 1: a week, we covered a lot of territory. Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: the point where when I went back and looked at

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Speaker 1: the topics that we hit in let's say, January February

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Speaker 1: March oft I almost forgot that it was the same year.

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Speaker 1: It almost felt like it was a lot longer ago.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, we are so lucky to hear from

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Speaker 1: our incredible listeners as far as the episodes that they

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Speaker 1: loved and the topics that really resonated with them. And

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Speaker 1: so we kind of wanted to take a minute to

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Speaker 1: talk back at you guys, because you know, Kristen and

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Speaker 1: I we we talked about ourselves a little bit sometimes

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Speaker 1: in our episodes, but we really focus on the topic

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Speaker 1: at hand, and so we wanted to take this opportunity

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Speaker 1: to sort of fill you in on the episodes that

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Speaker 1: meant something to us, whether they were our favorite to record,

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Speaker 1: whether they were super fun, whether we learned a lot,

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Speaker 1: or whether they were things that kind of scared us

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Speaker 1: and upset us a little bit. So with that, I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you, Kristen, what was your favorite episode

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Speaker 1: or episodes that we hit in. Well, I think the

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Speaker 1: one that that scared me the most, Caroline, was the

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Speaker 1: Curse of Swearing Women, because I learned just how how

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Speaker 1: much women love profanity, and as a lady, that is

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Speaker 1: terrifying that we would even use such four letter words.

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Speaker 1: How dare wait? Like, lady, No, that one wasn't scary

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Speaker 1: at all, But that was an example of a really

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Speaker 1: fun one for me to research, because, uh, there are

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Speaker 1: sometimes topics that are a little bit selfish where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I just want to know more about

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Speaker 1: this thing that I do all the time and listeners

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Speaker 1: might not know since we keep this the language on

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Speaker 1: our podcast as g rated as possible, aside from when

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Speaker 1: we cite Bitch magazine and well have entire episodes about

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Speaker 1: the history of the word bitch, which you should totally

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Speaker 1: listen to if you haven't already. Um, but you know

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Speaker 1: you and I you and I used some salty language

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Speaker 1: off Mike sometimes, yes, And that was a really fun

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Speaker 1: one and one that seemed to resonate a lot with

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Speaker 1: our listeners as well, because I know that we are

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Speaker 1: not alone in, you know, maybe having a penchant sometimes

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Speaker 1: for the F word, and we're not talking about feminism

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Speaker 1: in that case right now. And I do remember recounting

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Speaker 1: in that episode about overhearing a woman saying that she

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Speaker 1: did not let her daughter curse because it was not

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Speaker 1: lady like, and so of cos that sent me into

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Speaker 1: a spiral of not rage per se, but just like

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Speaker 1: wanting to know more about the motivation behind that that feeling.

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Speaker 1: I really hope that you turned around and said, wtf

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Speaker 1: did you just say? But actually using you know, the

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Speaker 1: construct of being ladylike, and how some bosses use it

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Speaker 1: of Swearing Women, that's one that we did a little

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Speaker 1: your listeners, so definitely give that one a listen. What

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Speaker 1: was another episode from teen that you really loved, Caroline, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have to mention the notorious RBG episode

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Speaker 1: memes and memes to talk about Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

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Speaker 1: basically always been, you know, super amazing. Uh. Girls got

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Speaker 1: the shepe yeso with her jabau whatever it rhymes. It's

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Speaker 1: I just want to give shout outs to. Loved our

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Speaker 1: literacy episode so fascinating, so empowering. Golden Girls was such

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Speaker 1: from that, and then our whole Lady Explorer series that

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun because when it comes

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Speaker 1: is a complete total misnomer. But it was really really

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Speaker 1: fascinating to learn about people like mountaineer Annie Smith Peck,

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Speaker 1: she was more of like what was it called, like

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Speaker 1: And speaking of though these explorers, we got to give

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Speaker 1: Mom Never told You Dot spreadshirt dot com and an

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Speaker 1: illustrator and stuff I've Never Told You fan reached out

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Speaker 1: this and I would love to draw up some of

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Speaker 1: these badass explorer ladies, and Aaron Drice did that, and

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Speaker 1: we now have toad bags and coffee mugs and a

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Speaker 1: to Aaron Dryce for reaching out to us in the

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Speaker 1: first place and drawing these awesome drawings. I should be

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Speaker 1: an art critic. Drawings drawings are awesome. Next, Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: this kind of ties and know what we were just

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Speaker 1: Hurts Vagina Edition. There is a penis edition as well, folks,

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Speaker 1: done Caroline, so I'd need more of a jewelto well.

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Speaker 1: Bring it to the office and then I can happily

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Speaker 1: spoke coffee on myself all morning. It won't be an issue.

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Speaker 1: We also, though, need to give some shout outs and

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Speaker 1: thank you to our incredible roster of guests that we

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Speaker 1: and that generated a lot of feedback. Yeah, and um

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Speaker 1: more recent Lee, we've had Jendall talking about weddings. We've

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Speaker 1: to talk to Jane Pratt, who was delightful. Um she's

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Speaker 1: the founder of Sassy Magazine, Jane Magazine and is now

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Speaker 1: at the Helm of Exo Jane, and she had some

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Speaker 1: And we also talked to Anne Helen Peterson, who has

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Speaker 1: her on Twitter. We talked to Sarah Martin not too

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Speaker 1: long ago from Belle and Sebastian. She gets the Best

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Speaker 1: Guest Accent Award. And we also of course talked to

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Speaker 1: Lori Tharpe's about our for our black hair episode. Again

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Speaker 1: got a lot of feedback about that that, in combination

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Speaker 1: writing in saying thank you for talking about my hair. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean hair is I mean any time we talk

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Speaker 1: say about it. And we also did the manscaping episode

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Speaker 1: earlier this year too, which generated a lot of feedback

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Speaker 1: because guess what, guys, you're being sold similar lies about

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Speaker 1: body hair because companies are like, how can we make

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Speaker 1: more money? Well insecurity selves, shave your back hair. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then finally we had Jessica Lamb Shapiro on to

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Speaker 1: self help industry, and that was a great conversation too.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much to our guests that we've

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Speaker 1: had on for enriching the podcast and sharing their expertise

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Speaker 1: with us. And if you have suggestions for stuff Mom

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Speaker 1: about all things women under pop cultural history, science, we

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Speaker 1: would love your suggestions. You can email us Mom Stuff

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Speaker 1: tweet us at Mom's Stuff podcast. And Caroline, is it time,

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Speaker 1: listener letters before we close things out? I believe it is, Kristen,

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Speaker 1: before we button up and go drink some champagne. That's right,

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Speaker 1: I already have a bottle of champagne. That's what's in

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Speaker 1: my coffee mug right now. Oh, that explains so much,

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Speaker 1: so much. Well, before christ and I get into reading

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Speaker 1: I wanted to read some snippets of letters from women

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Speaker 1: who just kind of love Sminty and we love you back.

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Speaker 1: So first I wanted to read something from Rachel, who

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Speaker 1: said this was in response to the Vaping podcast specifically,

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Speaker 1: but she said, thanks for the great podcast I've been

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Speaker 1: listening for years. I realized while I was walking to

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Speaker 1: I wanted to thank you for that. Well, thank you, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: and I've got one here from Marie. She writes, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your excellent work. Ladies. Your podcasts have

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Speaker 1: helped shape who I am and when I prioritize as

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Speaker 1: most of my time working one on one with teenage

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Speaker 1: and love to you, Mari. That's that's really that warms

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Speaker 1: over the course of UM and now I have a

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Speaker 1: become a teaching tool. Yeah. Every now and then we

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Speaker 1: hear from teachers, whether they're in high school or at

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Speaker 1: the college level, who sometimes use our podcasts in class,

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Speaker 1: which makes us feel especially fancy. And Elizabeth is one

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Speaker 1: in the Department of Sociology at u G a go Dogs.

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Speaker 1: She says she just recently discovered our podcast and has

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Speaker 1: been binge listening to episodes. She says, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: called Gender and Work next semester, and I'm planning to

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Speaker 1: assign your podcasts to my students, pairing them with specific

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Speaker 1: academic readings on topics such as the wage gap, understanding

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Speaker 1: She says, Basically, your podcast is just a great fit

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Speaker 1: making these complex and difficult topics more accessible with smart

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Speaker 1: A plus, I want to especially thank you for remaining

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Speaker 1: well mostly neutral while you talk about these important topics,

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Speaker 1: which allows me to assign these podcasts to students who

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Speaker 1: already knows all these stats and to mock people who

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Speaker 1: think it's all made up. I get it, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of these students from rural Georgia really have never

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Speaker 1: of these difficut issues. I cannot over emphasize how important

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Speaker 1: it is to keep presenting information on gender inequality in

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Speaker 1: the workplace, and what better people to convince than future lawyers,

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Speaker 1: police officers, politicians, and policymakers of America. Okay, in of rant,

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Speaker 1: so much, Elizabeth. That sounds like a class I wish

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Speaker 1: I could have taken. We're college Christian, we're taking it

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Speaker 1: right now. That's right, it's continuing education. And finally to

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Speaker 1: closings off, Caroline, what better not to end on than clitteracy,

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Speaker 1: because really, can we talk about clitterati? Is enough answer? No?

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Speaker 1: recent podcast on the clitterest. Not only did it reveal

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Speaker 1: genuinely shocked. I never knew this before. I am twenty

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Speaker 1: about my lovely lady parts. I thought I understood orgasms

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Speaker 1: about issues I felt too awkward to discuss with my mother.

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Speaker 1: never know this? Is it just me who never knew?

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Speaker 1: And if I hadn't listened to the podcast would I

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Speaker 1: ever have found out? Thank you for all you do

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Speaker 1: and here's hoping widespread clitteracy is established soon. And to

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Speaker 1: answer your questions, Catherine, no, it wasn't just you who

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Speaker 1: never knew, because Caroline and I did not know, definitely

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Speaker 1: did not know the full extent of how awesome that

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Speaker 1: to do live appearances, So if you're interested in something

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