Speaker 1: As a guide an hunter, I've spent thousands of days
Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard
Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer
Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.
Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome to pack Week on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Everyone. Really, one of the integral pieces of
Speaker 1: gear to any Western or mountain hunt is a pack.
Speaker 1: It's with you nearly every step of the way, whether
Speaker 1: you're carrying gear in or packing out your meat. It's
Speaker 1: the one kind of piece of gear that tries to
Speaker 1: make something inherently uncomfortable just more comfortable. Throughout the year,
Speaker 1: I probably have a pack on more days than not.
Speaker 1: I actually just feel strange if I'm walking around in
Speaker 1: the woods without a pack on, and having spent so
Speaker 1: much time in various packs, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot to learn and know when it comes to not
Speaker 1: only picking a pack, but utilizing a pack. This week,
Speaker 1: I want to break down packs, the different types and
Speaker 1: how to properly use them. I'll discuss everything from sizing
Speaker 1: and features to the optimal ways to load whatever style
Speaker 1: of pack you choose think of. This is a deep
Speaker 1: dive on all things pack related, from the pack into
Speaker 1: the pack out. But first I want to share a
Speaker 1: story of an elk hunt and a pack out and
Speaker 1: a case of FPS. This hunt takes place in western
Speaker 1: Montana and it was actually one that was filmed for
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater TV show quite a few years ago.
Speaker 1: I think most of people to listen to the podcasts
Speaker 1: are pretty familiar with that show, especially because this podcast
Speaker 1: is in the Meat Eater network. So maybe you've seen
Speaker 1: the episode, maybe you haven't, You could always go watch it.
Speaker 1: But I think the more fun story isn't necessarily the
Speaker 1: hunt story, but kind of the behind in the scenes
Speaker 1: part that people really don't get to see. On this
Speaker 1: particular hunt, Steve and I both had elk tags. I've
Speaker 1: been guiding the whole season, packed out many bowls, seen
Speaker 1: many bowls get shot, and now is pretty much the
Speaker 1: last week of the season. We had some I was
Speaker 1: we're kind of actually hoping for It was one of
Speaker 1: those years where you really want really bad weather, and
Speaker 1: it was. It started to get bad but then kind
Speaker 1: of cleared up, so we're kind of hoping for more migration.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt some areas that I'd hunted in
Speaker 1: the past where we got into some good bulls, and
Speaker 1: so the first day was kind of leading into that
Speaker 1: bad weather. But um, we ended up going into the
Speaker 1: spot that I like to hunt, and sure enough we
Speaker 1: spotted a couple of a group of bowls off in
Speaker 1: the distance. They're like, all right, let's make a move.
Speaker 1: We get down in there. We're watching, you know, we
Speaker 1: watched them disappear behind this ridge, and I know, okay,
Speaker 1: I've actually shot and I'll like in this dang near
Speaker 1: same spot a year earlier, like almost. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would say within two were three hundred yards of where
Speaker 1: these elk were. So it's like, all right, cool. I was.
Speaker 1: I was looking for a particular bowl, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: there that day, and I wasn't gonna be picky. For
Speaker 1: those of you that know, it's like when it comes
Speaker 1: to the last week of the season, I just want
Speaker 1: to fill my freezer with some elk. So if it's
Speaker 1: got five or six points on its head and or less,
Speaker 1: as the week goes on, my as uh. I'll my
Speaker 1: friend Mike likes to say, increase your success by lowering
Speaker 1: your standards. As the season progresses. I start with really
Speaker 1: wide expectations and as it gets down to that last day,
Speaker 1: it just starts to narrow into whatever is available. But
Speaker 1: I kind of like to say, okay, I like at
Speaker 1: least six points on one side. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a personal goal of mine. But really, as it gets
Speaker 1: down to that last week, pretty much anything legal uh
Speaker 1: tries to get a ride out in the backpack. So
Speaker 1: we see these bowls. Steve and I go down in there.
Speaker 1: Um there's like two ridges in between, and they disappeared
Speaker 1: behind one. We're hoping that they pop out within range,
Speaker 1: so we get set up. No elk, no elk, no elk. Like, okay,
Speaker 1: are they coming out? So I actually walked back to
Speaker 1: where I could see above to see if they're still there.
Speaker 1: Go back, look, Okay, they're still there. And then they disappeared.
Speaker 1: So now I hustle back to where they're all set up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, they're still here. They should pop over.
Speaker 1: We're set up the elk pop out. We're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get a double. But Steve's like, oh, you shoot first,
Speaker 1: So I line up shoot my bowl. It goes down
Speaker 1: the other bull. Steve just wasn't in a really good position.
Speaker 1: You maybe had a shot, but then had to move
Speaker 1: up for a rest and spooked the other elk, especially
Speaker 1: with the gun shot and everything going on, got a
Speaker 1: little chaotic and he wasn't able to get a shot
Speaker 1: on that bol So it's like, well, whatever, we got
Speaker 1: one bull down, bird in hand, go down to the
Speaker 1: elk and it's a pretty steep hillside. He took a
Speaker 1: pretty good tumble and actually, I'm looking at the bull
Speaker 1: right here, I've yet to put his antlers back together.
Speaker 1: Like fell I've never seen this happen, and broke one
Speaker 1: antler off at the pedicle, like right up against the base. Luckily,
Speaker 1: you know, the antler was just laying there and uh
Speaker 1: I probably threw the breaking process that slowed him down enough.
Speaker 1: He must have been on a pretty good tumble to
Speaker 1: not go all the way to the bottom, which he
Speaker 1: was about halfway to the bottom at this point. It's like, sweet,
Speaker 1: we get some parachord, tie him up to a tree,
Speaker 1: start processing him. I figured, oh, yeah, I'll be able
Speaker 1: to put these antlers back together when I get home.
Speaker 1: No big deal, just skull cap it. And it's been
Speaker 1: a project, one of those projects that I still haven't
Speaker 1: got too yet. But looking at it right now, thinking yeah,
Speaker 1: should probably get to that this year. Um. Anyways, so
Speaker 1: we pack it up and on this trip I was actually, uh,
Speaker 1: they had a new pack and they're like, hey, you
Speaker 1: want to try this pack as a pack that I
Speaker 1: wanted to try something sweet. Yeah, I love to try
Speaker 1: a new pack. I've like, I've pretty much tried every
Speaker 1: pack ever, whether it's on some kind of hunt or
Speaker 1: even if it's not one that I had, I like
Speaker 1: to just like i'd be guiding, like, hey, let me
Speaker 1: trare your pack this week, just just to see, you know,
Speaker 1: know what's out there, know what I like? So I
Speaker 1: got this new pack, I'm just not real familiar with it.
Speaker 1: I've been using other packs that I'm really familiar with.
Speaker 1: Packed out plenty of elk. Actually, the year before from
Speaker 1: this very spot, I packed out an entire bull same
Speaker 1: size as this bull by myself in one trip. Well
Speaker 1: I got it one trip from the semi downhill or
Speaker 1: slightly uphill parts. I ended up only being able to fit.
Speaker 1: What I did was front shoulders, all the loose meat
Speaker 1: head mantlers, all that in the pack, and then I
Speaker 1: actually drug each quarter or hair on um with the
Speaker 1: hairside down. So I just drug it with paracord, one
Speaker 1: in each arm because there was snow, so I could
Speaker 1: like drag it up hill. It was a beast of
Speaker 1: a pack out, but I just did not it was
Speaker 1: like storm moving in. Did not feel like hiking all
Speaker 1: the way back to this spot from my camp, so
Speaker 1: I just thought I just pack it all out in
Speaker 1: one trip. So the year before I pretty much carried
Speaker 1: a knolk out of there. I had carried a knolk
Speaker 1: out of there myself, so I thought, HS be easy,
Speaker 1: Like we've got a bunch of guys splitting up the
Speaker 1: weight perfect. So I load up the pack. Everybody's starting
Speaker 1: to hike up the hill and I am just like dragging.
Speaker 1: It's like kicking my butt, and I'm like, this is terrible.
Speaker 1: Everything's just like slopping around. I had a serious case
Speaker 1: of what I call fps floppy pack syndrome. I'm watching
Speaker 1: everybody else just like hike up and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is less weight than I normally take, and I am
Speaker 1: it is just I feel like I'm falling over what
Speaker 1: I was falling over everything slopping around. But it's like
Speaker 1: one of those things where you load up your pack
Speaker 1: and you go, yeah, I just don't want to take
Speaker 1: any time to figure this thing out, Like they kind
Speaker 1: of showed me how to work, like you do this,
Speaker 1: you do this, Okay, cool. When I've got it and
Speaker 1: the antlers are like on the back, everything's the weight
Speaker 1: is like as far back as possible. Every time I walk,
Speaker 1: it's just constantly shifting whatever weights in there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is the worst. So I get about halfway up
Speaker 1: to the top and I just decided, like I can't
Speaker 1: do this. I sit down, like I'm gonna take fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes here and figure this dang thing out. So I
Speaker 1: adjust the pack, put it back on, start walking, night
Speaker 1: and day difference, Like I can't even describe that. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is this should not be this hard.
Speaker 1: I've walked out of here and I'm thinking, you know
Speaker 1: when you put stuff in your pack, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just haven't really. I've always had my packs like
Speaker 1: figured because I've pretty familiar with them. And then you
Speaker 1: put on a pack, and it dawned on me how
Speaker 1: much just adjusting that pack made a difference. And then
Speaker 1: I just like trotted up the hill. No problem, didn't
Speaker 1: feel like it was like I had taken a hundred
Speaker 1: pounds out of my pack. And just left it on
Speaker 1: the hill. But everything was still there, everything was in
Speaker 1: the pack. It was just adjusted right and felt completely different.
Speaker 1: And later on that Stone Glacier pack became one of
Speaker 1: my favorite packs. I was cursing at the first twenty
Speaker 1: minutes with it, and then once I realized, okay, how
Speaker 1: to use it, got rid of the flop, packed it right,
Speaker 1: use it how it was supposed to be used. It
Speaker 1: actually became the pack that I still use to this day.
Speaker 1: I really think the moral to the pack story is
Speaker 1: even the best packs used wrong feel wrong. Like packs
Speaker 1: can be uncomfortable and make it feel like there's so
Speaker 1: much weight and this is the worst thing ever. But
Speaker 1: they don't have to be. It can be just a
Speaker 1: matter of how you use the pack, use it correctly,
Speaker 1: and the way that you pack things in the bag.
Speaker 1: That floppy pack syndromes real and I see it happen
Speaker 1: so many times, like especially as a guide or even
Speaker 1: just like hiking around, running into hunters in the field
Speaker 1: and you just look at the way their packs are
Speaker 1: set up and you think, man, that's going to be
Speaker 1: a struggle for this guy. Like I ran into a
Speaker 1: guy on a trail once probably had a quarter in
Speaker 1: his pack. You know what, I wouldn't consider a lot
Speaker 1: of weight, and just he's just dying and I look,
Speaker 1: it's like his pack is not adjusted for him. His
Speaker 1: waiste belt is essentially with that weight slid down and
Speaker 1: like he didn't even notice that it was wrapped around
Speaker 1: too low, and his legs and hip flexors are just
Speaker 1: working against this waste belt that's pressing against his legs,
Speaker 1: like almost holding his legs together. It was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me help you out. Let me just adjust some
Speaker 1: things here at justice pack. He puts it on, like
Speaker 1: light bulb clicked on. Oh my gosh, this is so easy.
Speaker 1: So a lot of pack problems, a lot of the strain,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that just sucks about packs
Speaker 1: um is user error and can be easily fixed. But
Speaker 1: before we go into some of that, let's start real
Speaker 1: wide and let's just talk about packs in general and
Speaker 1: the three major types of packs. So, the first type
Speaker 1: of pack is going to be your external frame. That's
Speaker 1: your like standard metal backpacking frame that you see. It's
Speaker 1: probably the oldest version of just a heavy freighter pack.
Speaker 1: Some examples Barneys of Alaska makes a great one of those.
Speaker 1: The Outdoorsman makes one that's um polycarbonate kind of frame,
Speaker 1: but I would still consider that external frame um kelty.
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, they've had a freighter pack,
Speaker 1: Cabell has had like their old school outfitter pack. These
Speaker 1: packs have been used in around forever. They're really good.
Speaker 1: I would say, they're really strong, carrying a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: Their downside would be super bulky, already heavy, but I
Speaker 1: mean they're just meant to carry lots of heavy stuff.
Speaker 1: Um and they still and they still do work. I
Speaker 1: would say The next type is probably what I would
Speaker 1: consider the now gold standard, the internal frame. The internal
Speaker 1: frame is similar to the external frame, but instead of
Speaker 1: that external where the bag is on the I guess
Speaker 1: say like where the bag is on the inside of
Speaker 1: the frame. The bag attaches to the frame on the
Speaker 1: external frame obviously based on the name internal, so it
Speaker 1: still has stays of a frame, but the frames inside
Speaker 1: the structure of the pack bag. These are I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like your Stone Glacier. There's um Exo Mystery
Speaker 1: Ranch Toofaru. All those are pretty much internal frame type packs.
Speaker 1: I have pretty much switched exclusively to the Stone Glacier
Speaker 1: bags after literally that trip that I told you about
Speaker 1: was the start of my I switched from external type
Speaker 1: frames to internal frame and that trip that I talked
Speaker 1: about in the story was that kind of catalyst that
Speaker 1: got me to switch because I realized, Wow, these are
Speaker 1: a lot lighter to start off. So and I'm going
Speaker 1: in it's a lot lighter, it's a little bit more streamline,
Speaker 1: I can, I can sent you down more, it's more quiet. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of benefits to that internal frame pack.
Speaker 1: And so I've switched from previously doing a lot of
Speaker 1: external frame packs and a mixture of other internal frames
Speaker 1: to going fully on the internal frame bus. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's the way a lot of pack starre Now.
Speaker 1: The benefits of it are they start out lighter, you
Speaker 1: can still carry a lot of weight, and they're a
Speaker 1: little more streamlined for moving through timber stocking or just
Speaker 1: using when there's nothing in it. Now. The third type
Speaker 1: of pack would be the no frame pack. This is
Speaker 1: your standard jan Sport just floppy bag. I mean you
Speaker 1: see these every once in a while, Companies come out
Speaker 1: with them and you're like, oh, this looks great or
Speaker 1: it's comfortable or whatever. I mean, these just their garbage.
Speaker 1: That's the way I see it, like if it's got
Speaker 1: no kind of frame, it's probably no good. Now, one
Speaker 1: thing I should mention with the internal frame and external frame,
Speaker 1: they all pretty much have waist belts as well, so
Speaker 1: r hip belts, uh, that kind of help distribute the
Speaker 1: weight to your legs. And then I guess there's a
Speaker 1: bonus type of pack, which would be the Fannie pack,
Speaker 1: or as the Aussie friends call it, a bum bag.
Speaker 1: I would say, if it was between a no frame
Speaker 1: backpack or a Fannie packcent go with the Fannie pack,
Speaker 1: go with the bum bag. It's like actually pretty good
Speaker 1: for day hunt type stuff because it just puts all
Speaker 1: the weight immediately on your hips and on your waist.
Speaker 1: Your legs are carrying it, not necessarily your shoulders, whereas
Speaker 1: the no frame bag is just straight on your shoulders.
Speaker 1: You're putting like a lot of pressure and weight on
Speaker 1: a very um I would say, not so strong portion
Speaker 1: of your body when you could just carry everything with
Speaker 1: your legs. And the way you use that bum bag
Speaker 1: for the most time, like I've used that type of
Speaker 1: pack system and when it comes to packing out, then
Speaker 1: you just make a backpack out of whatever you shoot
Speaker 1: tie the legs together, sling it over your shoulder. Carry
Speaker 1: the Holy Animal out works really great on like day
Speaker 1: trips and flat country. Um yeah, it's not not so bad,
Speaker 1: but also gives you an extra place to store stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'd be the bonus bag. But I won't talk
Speaker 1: too much about those. So now that we kind of
Speaker 1: understand the types of bags, you know, you can decide
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go into like a little bit
Speaker 1: of detail on the way to pack, both the internal
Speaker 1: and external frame. But before we like talk about packing it,
Speaker 1: one of the questions I could ask so much is
Speaker 1: like what pack size. Honestly, my my theory has always
Speaker 1: been the bigger the better, but I like something that
Speaker 1: collapses to be smaller you and you also have to
Speaker 1: be realistic with yourself. What type of person are you?
Speaker 1: How much weight are you going to be carrying? If
Speaker 1: your guy that's like, hey, I'm not going to carry
Speaker 1: that much weight even on the pack out, I'd rather
Speaker 1: take four trips than one heavy trip. If that's you,
Speaker 1: then go with the smaller pack bag. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: lighter starting off. But I would say at a minimum,
Speaker 1: I like a thirty cubic type pack. And then for
Speaker 1: me Like, if somebody's like, what size pack bag do
Speaker 1: you want? I would say, Um, it's pretty solid if
Speaker 1: it's light enough. As the pack bag gets bigger, it
Speaker 1: obviously gets heavier, it gets more bulky. A couple of
Speaker 1: my favorites. The Stone Glacier Sky Talas is pretty good,
Speaker 1: like for backcountry overnight trips. But even when I'm just
Speaker 1: day hunting, I'll just sench that thing down a little
Speaker 1: bit smaller, make it not so big, and it's not
Speaker 1: heavy enough to really be that big of a deal. Now,
Speaker 1: when I'm doing a lot of guiding, I know, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if we get something, we're gonna come back with some people. Um,
Speaker 1: we might just make one trip out from there. A
Speaker 1: thirty two d's fine. You can fit an elk quarter
Speaker 1: in there. You can fit you know, all your gear.
Speaker 1: It's a lot lighter bag, maybe a little more streamlined,
Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna be like doing some sneak and
Speaker 1: bow hunting and you've got your pack on the whole time.
Speaker 1: It does make a difference to have a smaller pack
Speaker 1: when you're stalking and moving around. So you want to
Speaker 1: kind of think about, Okay, what kind of hunting do
Speaker 1: I do? Am I doing a lot of long stay
Speaker 1: overnight stuff. How much room am I gonna need? That
Speaker 1: thirty is on the small side, but you can definitely
Speaker 1: put all your stuff in it, especially if the bag
Speaker 1: like extends from the frame where you can maybe slide
Speaker 1: some stuff in that freighter shelf like on the pack
Speaker 1: in food and other stuff. Stuff that's also going to
Speaker 1: shrink as you go on. So like your food. If
Speaker 1: I've got the thirty, want to go kind of lightweight
Speaker 1: streamline as long as I can. There's places where I
Speaker 1: can put more bulky gear that's not super heavy, and
Speaker 1: I'll have enough room for it. But you know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna like say, hey, I want one pack that
Speaker 1: does everything go bigger, go you know, a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: It's like if you're if I was to build another garage,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could ever build a garage big enough.
Speaker 1: And I think that packs are kind of similar in
Speaker 1: my mind that way. I was like, I like to
Speaker 1: have that extra room. There's people that are the opposite.
Speaker 1: They just want to be super efficient and don't need
Speaker 1: extra room. But for me, it's like, just rather have
Speaker 1: the extra room in case I need it. So that's
Speaker 1: that's the thought on the pack sizes. Now, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about pack, one thing you have to think about
Speaker 1: is weight. So you want to think about not only
Speaker 1: the weight of the pack and the weight of the
Speaker 1: things that you're carrying, but also how much you're gonna
Speaker 1: pack out. That's another question I guess, like how much
Speaker 1: do you carry when you're packing out or when you're
Speaker 1: hiking around, Like I've weighed my pack even I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is like if I'm packing into the
Speaker 1: back country for a week or whatever, my packs snaring
Speaker 1: me like forty five pounds. If I'm day hunting, I
Speaker 1: swear my packs like thirty pounds. And it's only because
Speaker 1: when I'm like going on a single day trip, I'm
Speaker 1: actually carrying different stuff, but heavier stuff. So I've got
Speaker 1: a bigger spotting scope. I've maybe got the heavier tripod,
Speaker 1: i maybe have an extra pair out like higher power optics,
Speaker 1: or I've got um more water and I'm not necessarily
Speaker 1: carrying a water filter, or I've got just random things
Speaker 1: that are like more creature comfort stuff but help an
Speaker 1: aid in the hunt for like finding things. But it
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, most day packs are around that
Speaker 1: twenty pound mark. I don't know. It just depends what
Speaker 1: you've got, you know, the type of year, time of season.
Speaker 1: Sometimes my daypack is just barely anything in it. Water, lunch,
Speaker 1: maybe small very small first aid kit and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a jacket or extra gloves and something to a
Speaker 1: knife and whatever, you know, like very minimal um. So
Speaker 1: it just depends. I I kind of vary on the
Speaker 1: gear that I take, depending on the type of hunt,
Speaker 1: how long I'm going to be, how far I'm going,
Speaker 1: what time of year it is. Now. When it comes
Speaker 1: to packing out, I mean I would say your average
Speaker 1: packout weights. It just depends what you're hunting. Let's say
Speaker 1: we're hunting elk um on the light side, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to be prepared to carry probably seventy five pounds.
Speaker 1: I tend to pack more than I should. I mean,
Speaker 1: a hundred pounds is not I don't find that a lot,
Speaker 1: but I think that that's kind of like a gold
Speaker 1: standard if you want to pack that could at least
Speaker 1: handle a hundred pounds. Um. It depends how big you
Speaker 1: are and how many dead brain cells you have. If
Speaker 1: you're like me, I pretty sure there's like a part
Speaker 1: of my brain where the cells just died and keep
Speaker 1: me doing stupid stuff. Like when I was eighteen, I
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I'll carry that whole elk in
Speaker 1: my pack, and it's great. As I weighed like a
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds and I'd carry a hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy pounds and I just didn't even think about it
Speaker 1: because it's like, I gotta do this myself. I don't
Speaker 1: want to carry come back here, this would suck. I'll
Speaker 1: just do it in one trip. Uh. And then every
Speaker 1: year I tell myself, this is just me to talking
Speaker 1: about me. But every year I telling myself, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna be super sensible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna carry it just a quarter. And then I
Speaker 1: get there and I'm like, okay, I take a hind
Speaker 1: quarter in a front shoulder because that's just half of
Speaker 1: the trips, okay, or one less trip. But every year
Speaker 1: I keep trying to talk myself into carrying less and
Speaker 1: I end up not doing that. So I like to
Speaker 1: just know that I've got a pack that can handle
Speaker 1: heavy weight, but also you know, to handle that more weight,
Speaker 1: you need more volume. One thing I would say is
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't want to put yourself in
Speaker 1: that position, which I started to do recently, is like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll just take a smaller pack. Then I can't fit
Speaker 1: all that stuff in there. So my pack ends up
Speaker 1: being that seventy eight pound range um, you know, and
Speaker 1: and a good size bull elk. The quarters are about
Speaker 1: hind quarters about seventy pounds or like average size. I've weighed,
Speaker 1: you know, quite a few when I've got back, just
Speaker 1: to know, and then I feel like two front shoulders
Speaker 1: kind of also hit that. They're about five to thirty
Speaker 1: pounds each um, you know. So if you can the
Speaker 1: back straps I think come out to like I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but probably like thirty pounds, So you kind of split
Speaker 1: up the weight that way. Sometimes I'll take that front
Speaker 1: shoulder and a hind quarters, so that's about that hundred
Speaker 1: pound range, and then if you throw in a backstrap,
Speaker 1: you kind of start to hit that hundred and ten
Speaker 1: hundred twenty pound with your gear kind of thing. I
Speaker 1: think most people kind of overestimate the weight of their pack,
Speaker 1: or a lot of people, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: times where you're carrying pounds you're like, God, this is
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty pounds, and then you put on
Speaker 1: a scale you're like that, Nope, not but I'll have
Speaker 1: to I've got a picture of just like the last
Speaker 1: super heavy pack. It's like sometimes you'll just overload it
Speaker 1: and then be hand carrying stuff and stuff strapped all over. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you're realistic about the amount of weight that
Speaker 1: you want to carry, I would say, like, if you
Speaker 1: don't do this all the time, you don't have dead
Speaker 1: brain cells. You don't need to kill yourself off doing it.
Speaker 1: Pounds is pretty like standard, fairly easy, getting get out,
Speaker 1: move quick, not really hurt and destroy your body. So
Speaker 1: just something to think about. But the type of weights
Speaker 1: that you might be carrying or the type of packs.
Speaker 1: You know, you want something that's super durable that can
Speaker 1: hold that kind of weight for a prolonged period of time.
Speaker 1: So so I think another thing to think about. It's
Speaker 1: just like pack features. I really you gotta know what
Speaker 1: kind of person you are. There's a lot of personal preference.
Speaker 1: Are you a pocket person or are you just kind
Speaker 1: of like you'd rather have it light and not necessarily
Speaker 1: so much going on. I personally like fewer pockets. I
Speaker 1: like to organize my pack internally, so I do use
Speaker 1: like little I guess it's like parachute material bags, and
Speaker 1: I just separate things that way. So I've got one
Speaker 1: that's all processing stuff. It's got game bags, knife, knife, sharpener,
Speaker 1: and then maybe a multi tool in my pocket of
Speaker 1: my pants. Also, I like to pockets, so I like
Speaker 1: a lid or something where I can put things that
Speaker 1: I need to get too quick. Then I like the
Speaker 1: main bag where I could put meat, all my gear, whatever, jacket,
Speaker 1: extra things. And then the only other pockets I would
Speaker 1: maybe like would be like something to hold a spotting
Speaker 1: scope and somewhere to strap a tripod and a water
Speaker 1: bottle to the outside, like ease of use, but not
Speaker 1: necessarily like a bunch of pockets inside. Now there's other
Speaker 1: Like my dad loves pockets. He loves to like open
Speaker 1: his pack and see seven hundred pockets in there, and
Speaker 1: every pocket adds weight. But that's just like what he likes.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of trying to transition him into be a
Speaker 1: less pocket guy, but I don't even He just likes
Speaker 1: to lose stuff in his pack. But that's the kind
Speaker 1: of guy he is. Now I'm not I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to knock anybody that likes pockets, because hey, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the straight verse angled spotting scope type thing.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their own personal preference and different strokes for
Speaker 1: different blokes, So whatever you like. But I like to
Speaker 1: kind of keep the pack a little bit lighter, fewer pockets,
Speaker 1: just enough, like where there's organization and I can get
Speaker 1: too certain things quick, but not so many that it
Speaker 1: gets distracting and I can't find things. Now, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about features of pack, this would be the only
Speaker 1: must have feature that I think, like, if your pack
Speaker 1: doesn't have this, it should. This is probably the most important.
Speaker 1: And I've owned packs that don't have this feature and
Speaker 1: immediately got rid of them once I realized they didn't fit.
Speaker 1: The probably key feature is a torso adjustment. The key
Speaker 1: to a comfortable pack, the key to carrying a lot
Speaker 1: of weight, the key to day and day out it
Speaker 1: working for you is the freaking thing ask that fits you.
Speaker 1: It's like, imagine going on a hunt and you're a
Speaker 1: size small even though most people are not, but and
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear a triple XL size pants and jacket.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very, very uncomfortable. But people get packed
Speaker 1: and they just think like one size fits all, and
Speaker 1: it's probably the thing that needs to be most custom
Speaker 1: You'd be better off being a size small wearing triple
Speaker 1: X pants and having a pack that fits then the
Speaker 1: other way around. Um So, what I mean by a
Speaker 1: torso adjustment, that's not actually the waist belt. We're just
Speaker 1: talking about being able to move the distance from where
Speaker 1: your waist belt is to where your shoulder straps are,
Speaker 1: so it's on the back like on the body of
Speaker 1: the pack itself, and those two things should be able
Speaker 1: to move together or move away and be set in
Speaker 1: a certain place. So we're talking about your torso height,
Speaker 1: like from your the top of your hips, your tailbone
Speaker 1: up to your shoulders. Everybody's torso's a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and some people like me, I've got really really long
Speaker 1: legs and a fairly short torso for my like compared
Speaker 1: to everything else. I've got friends that are normal leg height,
Speaker 1: long torso or everything's the same, very standard normal leg length,
Speaker 1: normal torso length. But that pack needs to fit that
Speaker 1: torso because the integrity of a pack, the reason that
Speaker 1: a framed pack works is what it's doing is it's
Speaker 1: actually putting that weight not on your shoulders but into
Speaker 1: your hips, so your legs carry the weight. I mean,
Speaker 1: your legs are designing to carry a lot more weight
Speaker 1: an you think. I mean, think about power lifters in
Speaker 1: a gym. You can only curl so much, you can
Speaker 1: only pull down so much with your arms, but I
Speaker 1: mean you can lift multiple times your body weight with
Speaker 1: your legs. Is because they're just so strong. They're designed
Speaker 1: for that. They're moving all the time. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a muscle that even if you're fairly sedentary, as long
Speaker 1: as you walk around, you're using it, you're flexing it,
Speaker 1: you're getting it stronger um and on a hunt, you're
Speaker 1: especially It's it's your mode of transportation. So you want
Speaker 1: that weight to be in your legs. You want to
Speaker 1: carry it with your legs. And that's the key to
Speaker 1: getting your pack set up is being able to distribute
Speaker 1: that weight. You want of that pack weight in your legs,
Speaker 1: strongest part of your body. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: now how to fit the pack to you. And every
Speaker 1: time you put a pack on, new pack whatever, you're
Speaker 1: gonna first make those torso adjustments. So the top of
Speaker 1: the shoulder strap and where that um waiste belt. That
Speaker 1: waite belt should run through the center of your hip bones.
Speaker 1: So if you kind of go from your belly buttons
Speaker 1: straight out to your that's your hip bone. You feel
Speaker 1: it like in there, you go, Okay, the pack should
Speaker 1: be the center of that band should be on the
Speaker 1: center of that hip bone. Um. And then I like that,
Speaker 1: you know, the waist belt clip to be kind of
Speaker 1: just below my belly button, but I want that weight
Speaker 1: to be kind of centered over my hips. So when
Speaker 1: you kind of fit a pack, when you put it on,
Speaker 1: you're gonna work from the bottom up, so the waist
Speaker 1: belt up. So the first thing you're gonna do is
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that waist the torso right that once
Speaker 1: you set, that should be good forever, you know, unless
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just doesn't really change that much.
Speaker 1: So you know, you'll put your waist belt on, you'll
Speaker 1: sench that waist belt down, and that you want that
Speaker 1: fairly tight because that's where all the weight it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can almost when you put your pack on,
Speaker 1: those straps like you get in there, you sench that
Speaker 1: waist belt. You want to wear those pack, Like the
Speaker 1: shoulder straps aren't necessarily even really on your shoulders at
Speaker 1: this point, Like, yeah, okay, there's all the weight my
Speaker 1: um hips. Now I'm gonna just kind of distribute it
Speaker 1: take into my shoulders. So now we're going to move up,
Speaker 1: so your your shoulder straps should be kind of fairly loose,
Speaker 1: and put the shoulder straps on and now cinch those down.
Speaker 1: You want them snug where it's like taking a little
Speaker 1: bit of the weight, but also you're still feeling that
Speaker 1: weight into the waist belt into your hips. And then
Speaker 1: the next adjustment is going to be the load lifter,
Speaker 1: So that's above the shoulder shraps. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: that top one above the shoulder strap that goes to
Speaker 1: the pack. And what that does is that pulls the
Speaker 1: pack forward, so it's pulling it snugging it closer to
Speaker 1: your body. Depending on the type of pack you have,
Speaker 1: and we'll get a little more in depth here in
Speaker 1: a second, but external frame pack you can actually leave
Speaker 1: the load lifters a little further back on the internal
Speaker 1: I like to kind of bring those load lifters a
Speaker 1: little bit tighter. What I found is like once that
Speaker 1: tops towards you. On an internal frame pack, it kind
Speaker 1: of sucks the pack towards your body, which is the
Speaker 1: best weight distribution for an internal frame, whereas on an
Speaker 1: external frame, it kind of if that weight falls back slightly,
Speaker 1: it actually pushes more weight into the hips and uh
Speaker 1: kind of tends to be a little less floppy, a
Speaker 1: little bit more weight distribution. But what you're doing with
Speaker 1: that load lift is just kind of killing that flop.
Speaker 1: You don't want things moving around. If your pack sliding around,
Speaker 1: it's just working way too many muscles, wigh too fast
Speaker 1: and actually going to burn you out a lot quicker.
Speaker 1: So now let's get into loading your pack. So an
Speaker 1: external frame is really good for just like if you
Speaker 1: just want to haul a lot of weight. Um, it's
Speaker 1: really good because what it does is it takes that
Speaker 1: frame and it actually just drives that weight from that
Speaker 1: pack right into your hips. But to work properly, an
Speaker 1: external frame is better loaded slightly top heavy, so not
Speaker 1: all the way up high where it's all the weights
Speaker 1: above your head. But it tends to um work better
Speaker 1: when there's like weight higher in the pack. So what
Speaker 1: I see a lot of guys do is they got
Speaker 1: an external frame, they throw all the quarters like meat
Speaker 1: side down on the bottom, and that's great, But what
Speaker 1: it's doing is it's actually not pulling the pack slightly
Speaker 1: away from your body and pushing it into your hips.
Speaker 1: Is kind of actually just putting all the weight straight down,
Speaker 1: so it's it's like all in your hips, but not
Speaker 1: balanced correctly. Uh, what I do when I've got an
Speaker 1: external frame and I'm carrying quite a bit of stuff,
Speaker 1: I would put maybe some more light gear on the
Speaker 1: bottom and then maybe one quarter down on that so
Speaker 1: it's slightly above the bottom, not not crazy. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes if I'm doing like two quarters let's say, dear
Speaker 1: or whatever, I'll flip like the front quarters up or
Speaker 1: one hind quarter up, like where it's the the bottom
Speaker 1: part of the leg like the less meat side. It's
Speaker 1: like the ham is high like alter natum, so one's down,
Speaker 1: one's up. That kind of puts more weight up higher.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's the opposite with an internal frame,
Speaker 1: but with an internal frame, you gotta think that frames
Speaker 1: in the back of the pack bag and then going
Speaker 1: straight down to the pack belt. So the best way
Speaker 1: to distribute weight in internal frame is actually keeping it
Speaker 1: like closer to your body. So I think of packing
Speaker 1: an internal frame pack like if you were to lay
Speaker 1: the part that goes against your body on the ground,
Speaker 1: packing it from the ground up. So you don't want
Speaker 1: weight out on the internal frame. You want weight closer
Speaker 1: to your body. So that's why pulling those um load
Speaker 1: lifters like a little bit tighter on that will kind
Speaker 1: of help center that weight close to your body before
Speaker 1: you're packing out any meat or anything. When I pack everything,
Speaker 1: I try to put the light stuff on the outside
Speaker 1: of the pack and then the heavier stuff closer to
Speaker 1: my body. So I kind of like lay it down
Speaker 1: pack the stuff in. I don't necessarily think of it
Speaker 1: packing like heavy stuff at the bottom, heavy stuff at
Speaker 1: the top. I think of packing heavy stuff closest to
Speaker 1: my body and then the lighter stuff further out. Um
Speaker 1: A lot of internal frame packs actually have a zip
Speaker 1: where you can kind of unzip and then pack it.
Speaker 1: That way, you're going to get a lot better balance.
Speaker 1: Now it comes to packing out meat or whatever, you
Speaker 1: just want to you know, tight and close to your body.
Speaker 1: I tend to find that, you know, you could go
Speaker 1: a little bit lower with the like heavier weight when
Speaker 1: it comes to the pack up. I mean sometimes there's
Speaker 1: only one way it fits in. It's like, okay, all
Speaker 1: the weights down lower, but the internal frame tends to
Speaker 1: distribute lower weight better than an external frame. So that's
Speaker 1: the two different ways that you would pack that external frame.
Speaker 1: You kind of pack from the bottom up where you
Speaker 1: want most of the weight slightly high of center, and
Speaker 1: like if it was vertical sitting on you, from light
Speaker 1: at the bottom, more weight in the center, and then
Speaker 1: a little bit of weight at the top. And then
Speaker 1: the opposite internal frame you want to pack horizontally with
Speaker 1: the weight close to the body and then go out
Speaker 1: with the lighter weight. The last thing with a pack
Speaker 1: is when you're packing out meat. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: couple options you've got, like frame packouts or just putting
Speaker 1: it in the bag. I like to put all the
Speaker 1: meat in the bag. There's a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: like to just pack with the frame. You'r you save
Speaker 1: a lot of weight that way, But for me, I
Speaker 1: just like being everything really tight and secure. I just
Speaker 1: kind of actually used my bag like the bag of
Speaker 1: the pack to pack everything out in and then I
Speaker 1: just find ways in places the stuff all the extra gear. Um,
Speaker 1: I've actually got where you can kind of pull away.
Speaker 1: You've got a load shell in there, I'll put like,
Speaker 1: that's great for a quarter and you don't have to
Speaker 1: take your um other gear out. So it just depends
Speaker 1: like what I'm packing and how I use it. That's
Speaker 1: a more simple way. If I'm just going in for
Speaker 1: a pack out some days and I know, hey, I've
Speaker 1: just got one quarter or two quarters or whatever. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll just go in with just my frame itself. It's
Speaker 1: a really nice way to kind of go in lightweight,
Speaker 1: just bring what you need and not necessarily have to
Speaker 1: carry the extra weight of the pack bag itself. Um.
Speaker 1: That's just something to think about. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys too that maybe hunt with a lighter daypack
Speaker 1: and then they've got more stout pack at the truck
Speaker 1: that they get. I personally like to be able to
Speaker 1: just take a good load in, Like when I'm hunting,
Speaker 1: I shoot something, I'm definitely packing out right then and there.
Speaker 1: I like to minimize my trips, so I like to
Speaker 1: have kind of whatever I'm planning on packing out in
Speaker 1: is what I'm hunting in of the time. Now, the
Speaker 1: last thing we'll talk about would be accessories for a pack.
Speaker 1: I think these are just kind of up to each person.
Speaker 1: But there's a few things, a few items to go
Speaker 1: with my pack that I kind of always have. One
Speaker 1: would be extra cordage or like webbing, anything to secure
Speaker 1: that load, because, like I said, the worst thing with
Speaker 1: the pack is just that floppy pack syndrome that where
Speaker 1: that pack is just wiggling around, burning out your muscles
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. So I've got like
Speaker 1: kind of like what you'd see, you know, a little
Speaker 1: buckle on it. Um, I get him a like climbing stores.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's you can pretty much Amazon wherever.
Speaker 1: UM just like extra straps that look almost like pack
Speaker 1: buckle straps where you could wrap it around the pack,
Speaker 1: helps sinch the antlers down, anything like Paara cord or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the buckles work really good because you don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about having somewhere to tie it to. UM,
Speaker 1: it's just nice too, like you could wrap it around
Speaker 1: the pack or add it to a buckle or something
Speaker 1: like that. Uh. Sometimes I'll buy extra buckles for my
Speaker 1: pack and then get extra links of cord or like
Speaker 1: webbing that fit those buckles so I could just readjust
Speaker 1: the way that the packs even designed just based on
Speaker 1: what I'm putting on it. Sometimes you gotta strap stuff
Speaker 1: to the outside. Sometimes the antlers are awkward, so that
Speaker 1: always helps. Another thing that I always have, I just
Speaker 1: a garbage bag in my like a contractor style bag,
Speaker 1: because I like to keep my pack bag clean. I've
Speaker 1: talked about it, but if you're cooling your meat down,
Speaker 1: when you stop and you hang it and everything's right,
Speaker 1: it's fine to put in plastic. Your bag is not
Speaker 1: going to breathe any better. For the most part. You're
Speaker 1: just gonna get soaked in blood. All your gear is
Speaker 1: gonna get bloody, messy, smell bad, especially if it starts
Speaker 1: to rain and other things, and it's just gonna attract
Speaker 1: the bears and stuff like that. So I just like
Speaker 1: to keep my pack clean, so I always have a
Speaker 1: little garbage bag in there. And then something to think
Speaker 1: about too. When you're one of the hard parts like
Speaker 1: killing that flop, getting everything that weight tight and centered.
Speaker 1: One thing that's hard is packing out antlers. The handlers
Speaker 1: are awkward. So there's a couple of ways, a couple
Speaker 1: of strategies that I do. I'll carry maybe an extra
Speaker 1: bag the first technique, um is good, but it can
Speaker 1: be dangerous and kind of catch on things. Also, like
Speaker 1: other hunters, you know, some times you'll see like antlers
Speaker 1: up on smaller meals or whatever. If I'm in a
Speaker 1: place where it's like, hey, it's an archery season in
Speaker 1: the backcountry, heck yeah, I just put the antler's face
Speaker 1: up at the top of my pack and then strap
Speaker 1: my hood over the top of it. Keeps it nice
Speaker 1: and centered, doesn't bounce around, especially if they're like velvet
Speaker 1: or something like that. You don't early season archery meal here.
Speaker 1: You don't want him rubbing on anything. So that's that's
Speaker 1: a good technique, um, but that doesn't work for everything.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's times where you're like, dude, this
Speaker 1: is the pumpkin patch out here. If I've got antlers
Speaker 1: above my head in a brown pack, I'm definitely getting shot.
Speaker 1: So those situations go antlers down. You just want to
Speaker 1: make sure that and however you're carrying them, the antlers
Speaker 1: if you fall or whatever, aren't gonna poke you in
Speaker 1: any way. Another way that I'll do is I'll put
Speaker 1: like a garbage sack over the skull if I if
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a euro take the whole skull out.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I bring a saw in skull cap it. But
Speaker 1: I'll just put it kind of like over my shoulders forward,
Speaker 1: Especially with elk, where I'm like holding the antlers down
Speaker 1: in front of me. It puts a lot of extra
Speaker 1: weight on the shoulders. But it can be an okay
Speaker 1: way where you can take on and off. But I'd
Speaker 1: say the best way is like if you can slash
Speaker 1: into your pack, but not having way too far back.
Speaker 1: A good way to deal with antlers is the same
Speaker 1: way that I would do if I'm packing horses. So
Speaker 1: think about like if you've got an elk rack on
Speaker 1: a horse, what you don't want is you need to
Speaker 1: keep it up so it doesn't slide down so it
Speaker 1: doesn't hit the horse on the side. So what I'll
Speaker 1: do is I'll pack it on the top and then
Speaker 1: I'll run a stick between the antlers that lays across
Speaker 1: the saddle bags or something like that so it keeps
Speaker 1: the antlers up. I do the same thing on my pack.
Speaker 1: I'll either use my trekking pull or whatever. Use some cordage.
Speaker 1: So you gotta think you're running a bar a stick,
Speaker 1: maybe cut a stick. I mean, I cut a stick
Speaker 1: a lot and you run it between the antlers and
Speaker 1: you put that on the outside the pack so the
Speaker 1: antlers can be faced down the skull part or whatever
Speaker 1: would be up. Strap that on and then it doesn't
Speaker 1: swing forward, but you've got it kind of like where
Speaker 1: it keeps those antlers from poking forward too much. It's
Speaker 1: a really good way to kind of keep it centered. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you can kind of still sit down like
Speaker 1: that too, if you find the right sticker rock when
Speaker 1: you need to take a break, um, And it also
Speaker 1: kind of holds the pack up. One last thing I
Speaker 1: will say when it comes to getting up with a
Speaker 1: heavy pack on, here's here's the my patented philosophy. You
Speaker 1: put the pack on, you sit yourself, and I see
Speaker 1: like people trying to help other people up or whatever
Speaker 1: I mean, or like hold the pack, hold a heavy pack.
Speaker 1: If you've got a real heavy pack on, don't be
Speaker 1: holding the pack for your buddy to get into. Just
Speaker 1: everybody do themselves. You've gotta be able to get up
Speaker 1: on your own or like in this way. And I
Speaker 1: found that this is the best way to get up
Speaker 1: with a heavy pack. You could be assisted or whatever.
Speaker 1: Have the pack on the ground. You get into the pack.
Speaker 1: You first, you know, you tighten your waist belt. You
Speaker 1: kind of do everything. You go through the motions of
Speaker 1: putting the pack on, so waist belt first while on
Speaker 1: the ground, Uh, then pack straps, tighten your shoulder straps.
Speaker 1: And then what I like to do is if you
Speaker 1: need help, if you can help each other out, cool,
Speaker 1: But I think the best way is to roll over
Speaker 1: so you're like on all four's face in the ground,
Speaker 1: and then stand up from there, use your legs to
Speaker 1: stand up. I mean, I've seen people get injured just
Speaker 1: like trying to pull each other up, trying to whatever it.
Speaker 1: Just help them get over into that position on your
Speaker 1: knees or whatever, and then power up and stand up
Speaker 1: from there one leg at a time. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can easily get my body weight or more off the
Speaker 1: ground by myself. With that way, you're using the correct muscles,
Speaker 1: you aren't straining, aren't hurting anybody else. I mean, most
Speaker 1: packout injuries are probably somebody helping someone else get up
Speaker 1: or getting into the pack of funny way, or trying
Speaker 1: to get up strange. So that's the best way to
Speaker 1: do it. That's the best way that I've found another
Speaker 1: good option too, if you've got a heavy pack using
Speaker 1: hiking trekking poles, cutting a stick something. What that does
Speaker 1: is it just helps with your balance, It stops your like,
Speaker 1: helps your core out, it helps your footing, it helps
Speaker 1: everything and takes a lot of that felt weight off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen studies as much as of the
Speaker 1: felt weight can be distributed by kind of going what
Speaker 1: I would say, four wheel drive, having to dicks to
Speaker 1: help you, especially with a large pack and steep train.
Speaker 1: So just something to think about. I hope that that
Speaker 1: kind of covered all a lot of the basics of packs,
Speaker 1: pack types, and packouts, how to load a pack, and um,
Speaker 1: there's just there's so many little things that a lot
Speaker 1: of people, especially those that aren't used to it, don't
Speaker 1: really think about, and then they get out there and
Speaker 1: then you're the guy on the trail that's got a
Speaker 1: heavy weight on and your pack belts holding your hip
Speaker 1: flix ers down and the pack is not fit and
Speaker 1: you're just like floppy pack syndrome and you're just burning out.
Speaker 1: When something that is designed to make that task a
Speaker 1: heck of a lot easier, if used right, will make
Speaker 1: that task a heck of a lot easier. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed that podcast. If you did, you know, feel
Speaker 1: free to share it with your friends, leave a comment
Speaker 1: or rating. Actually, last night was going through some of
Speaker 1: the comments and stuff, and I just thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much. Some of those comments, I mean, I do
Speaker 1: read them. They mean a lot to me. It's just
Speaker 1: like kind of the fuel for me when I's got
Speaker 1: up this morning'm like, yes, I'm excited to record another
Speaker 1: podcast because people are enjoying them. So I really thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for for that, for those comments,
Speaker 1: for those ratings, for sharing the podcast with your friends
Speaker 1: and hunting buddies and whatever. So thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much that it really does mean a lot to me.
Speaker 1: And next week is going to be all about listeners.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be our Q and A. So make sure
Speaker 1: to shoot over those questions. I've been getting a lot.
Speaker 1: I've got a good list going already. Um some stuff
Speaker 1: that we've talked about, some spring stuff, all kinds of
Speaker 1: cool stuff. So thank you guys for shooting those over.
Speaker 1: As always, feel free to reach out via social media
Speaker 1: at Remy Warren on Instagram, primarily way that I try
Speaker 1: to communicate with people. So you can always send me
Speaker 1: message there, tag me and stuff, um, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of keep up to keep up to date with whatever
Speaker 1: I'm doing there. Um, you know, kind of all social
Speaker 1: media things, YouTube, whatever, um. But those are the best
Speaker 1: ways to reach out. So shoot me a message if
Speaker 1: you've got questions, and also those questions if I don't
Speaker 1: answer your specific question next week. It just helps me
Speaker 1: build out, like the kind of things that honestly, this
Speaker 1: podcast that I talked about today is like one of
Speaker 1: those things that I probably wouldn't have talked about, but
Speaker 1: there's so many questions on it, people like asking, hey,
Speaker 1: can you do a podcast on this? Hey, can you
Speaker 1: do that you talked about? Packs? Can you mention this?
Speaker 1: So I just I keep note to those things. I've
Speaker 1: got a little uh in my phone. I've got a
Speaker 1: little memo sheet, and when I get things, I save
Speaker 1: them in there. I I mean, honestly, like, I try
Speaker 1: to build it out, and a lot of stuff is
Speaker 1: like wow, I didn't realize, you know. I mean, the
Speaker 1: stuff that I take for granted, It's just like stuff
Speaker 1: that I've over the years kind of in my mind
Speaker 1: has become common sense, and then I start talking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, most people wouldn't know this, and that's
Speaker 1: the kind of cool like discoveries that I like to find.
Speaker 1: And that just comes from the questions that you guys
Speaker 1: send me, so keep those coming, uh. And I think
Speaker 1: that just packs up this week's podcast und