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Speaker 2: Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 2: I suffice it to say, neither one of you has

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Speaker 2: done anything to like the lamb. In fact, if anything,

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Speaker 2: that's a demerit. I just heard someone's computer go off

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Speaker 2: three seconds.

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Speaker 3: How is that our fault when you just started the

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Speaker 3: podcast two seconds ago?

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Speaker 2: But we're leaving the light on in honor a mandatory psycho.

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Speaker 2: News had just came down moments before we hit the

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Speaker 2: red record button. Mandatory Psycho four years as Cardinals tight

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Speaker 2: end Bernhard's Psycho its and at least based on the

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Speaker 2: current roster construction, no Moss. So we're leaving the light

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Speaker 2: on for him, especially since I was sitting on a

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Speaker 2: piece of video for a good year or so that

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Speaker 2: I just tweeted out in honor of a mandatory Psycho.

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Speaker 4: So wait, you had a piece of video waiting for

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Speaker 4: him to get cut.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping it would be, you know, celebrate oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, a good moment. Instead we're celebrating his career.

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Speaker 3: I can't really see from here. Is that foam? Is

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Speaker 3: that tape wrapped around the beach? Ok So don't don't

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Speaker 3: start the podcast saying Darren, I haven't done anything.

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Speaker 2: It's so new. There's still packing foam in the nose,

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Speaker 2: in the beak, if you will, So, okay.

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Speaker 4: I will say for Psycho, I enjoyed talking to him

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Speaker 4: a few times. We're going to try and ignore the

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Speaker 4: fact that Paul got a little sideways there.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do we we're talking about? Like the lamp right,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's a hockey, you know, there's so you know, boom,

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Speaker 2: We're just you know right there, like a hockey injury,

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Speaker 2: you know, like the that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: You just take he has a bloody nosers, you just tape.

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Speaker 2: A bandage on it, and you go, you're a hockey player,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So anyway, there you go.

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Speaker 2: But what is the deal? They actually signed someone who

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Speaker 2: qualifies as the international player.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Valentin Sen, who works out quite frankly really

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Speaker 4: well for the Cardinals. Because the rule for international players

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Speaker 4: is you qualify as long as you didn't go to

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Speaker 4: high school for more than two years and your place

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Speaker 4: of your country of residence is not the United States,

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Speaker 4: you qualify. So he he played high school football in

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Speaker 4: Austria coincidentally and uh, but then came over to play

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Speaker 4: college football, start at Colorado, was there briefly and then

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Speaker 4: went to Etiquette and actually was a three year starter

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Speaker 2: Okay, So for everyone who wagers at home during Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 2: if you had Valentine Sen as the first Cardinals rookie

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Speaker 2: we were going to talk about after the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five NFL Draft, you win from a lottery tickets, a

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Speaker 2: long point, some long odds in this draft class. That

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Speaker 2: that's where we're talking.

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Speaker 4: Well, you two already got to talk all about the draft.

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Speaker 4: I feel like completely left out. You're all doing you

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Speaker 4: do well.

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Speaker 3: That blame Craig. He was in charge of hand selecting

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Speaker 3: those on Cardinals Cover two podcast Draft.

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Speaker 4: That's true. I'm first of all, I blame Craig for

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Speaker 4: almost everything else. So why not this?

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Speaker 2: Well, Darren, the floor is yours. I'll go I'll get

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Speaker 2: up and get a cold beverage. You just go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Give us your thought alogue, No, give us your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: So where do you want to start, Darren Urbin, This

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Speaker 4: I would say the first thing that comes to mind,

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Speaker 4: But you know, now, when everybody talks about how much

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Speaker 4: you can't really go, well, why were those of the picks.

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Speaker 2: De tackle, corner, outside linebacker, slash edge inside linebacker right?

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Speaker 4: So I would say, then you get to the fifth pick,

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Speaker 4: three guards that had been bandied about as potential guys

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Speaker 4: out of LSU and the Slater Kid. All of them

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Speaker 4: ended up going being picked between where the Cardinal's original

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Speaker 4: And if you're looking at those two guys and you're saying,

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Speaker 4: we're looking at what they are, what they could be,

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Speaker 4: and where they are compared to in this case, those

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Speaker 4: trade back they say, we've already got better guys than that.

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Speaker 4: On the roster. Now I'm not saying I know that

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Speaker 4: for a fact, but I feel like this draft once

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Speaker 4: again was seen by some through in a vacuum, and

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm with everyone to a point if that's

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Speaker 2: sort of the line of thinking. Cardinals traded out of

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Speaker 2: return for one seventy four and two eleven in between. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Tory Horton came off the board at one sixty six,

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Speaker 2: the Colorado State receiver nearly six three four four, one forty.

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Speaker 2: He had a senior year hampered by injury, but he

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Speaker 2: had a really good junior I'm like, oh, man, that guy,

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Speaker 2: he's big, he's fast. That could look good for a Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody, now stretch the field, take the top off.

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Speaker 2: And then there was Miles Frasier, the LSU guards six six,

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Speaker 2: then Cardinals a few picks later, at one seventy four,

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Speaker 2: they take Denzel Burke. I mean, the dude has started

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Speaker 2: fifty one games at Ohio State as a corner. He's

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Speaker 2: gone against five different first round picks in his practice

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Speaker 2: Hayden Connor, you want a guard six six, three fourteen

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Speaker 2: according to PFF, not allowing a sack on any of

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Speaker 2: then when they say, you look at his film and

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Speaker 2: he was really good against the two Michigan d linemen,

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Speaker 2: Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, and all the guys he

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Speaker 2: went against in practice for Texas. So okay, I see

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Speaker 2: the method to the madness of trading away five and

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Speaker 2: then moving down to get that extra pick because it

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Speaker 3: The cornerbacks room is one where this staff likes to

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Speaker 3: have competition. Similar to the defensive line room where you

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Speaker 3: have the rotation the edge room, they like to have

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Speaker 3: that in the cornerbacks room. In fact, after the draft,

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Speaker 3: general man GERMANI ausin Fort said that you can never

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Speaker 3: have enough competition. The draft gets to be it's a science.

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Speaker 3: The first round is really about the specific players and

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Speaker 3: what they can bring to your team because if a

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Speaker 3: into day's two or three, it really becomes a science

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Speaker 3: of the skill set and the individual player paired with

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Speaker 3: the needs. And that's how your board comes to your

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Speaker 3: preparation that goes into it that you have to trust

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Speaker 3: the work that's been done. So if you're at a

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman would given where you're looking at where your

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Speaker 3: team stands, that's the right decision. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman was not in need. It doesn't mean an

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Speaker 3: their original fifth pick, would have been a bad decision.

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Speaker 3: It's you're having to look at multiple different pieces. And

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Speaker 3: I'm right there with you, Paul. If you feel like

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Speaker 3: you can drop down a couple of spots, get some

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Speaker 3: extra capital and still get not only the positions, but

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Speaker 3: the players that you like and are a good fit

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Speaker 3: for this organization, that's the way to go about the draft.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, okay, maybe nobody thought Valentin Sen was gonna

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Speaker 4: be the first work we talked about. Would anybody think

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Speaker 4: the next breakdown would be the fifth round?

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Speaker 5: You did?

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Speaker 4: I will and there you go. And I'm gonna add

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Speaker 4: this forever. And that is again Mani asin Fort during

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Speaker 4: he's and have him trade down. They passed because they

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Speaker 4: wanted Will Johnson. The same thing happened with Jordan Birch

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Speaker 4: So if the GM is sitting there saying and basically

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Speaker 4: proving with real anecdotes that he will stick and pick

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Speaker 4: if he feels the right guys there, what does that

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Speaker 4: tell you about who the guys that were there? Again,

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Speaker 4: you're talking about Danny, You're talking about sticking to your board.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about understanding if I trade back. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: those three guards and two receivers. Potentially that all could

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Speaker 4: be gone before I'm willing to give those guys up

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Speaker 4: and by the same token, we don't know where they

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Speaker 4: he had those guys rated compared to Hayden Connor if

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Speaker 4: he saw them all the same.

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the other thing. Cardinals have a dozen

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Speaker 2: corners on the roster. A dozen. How many are made men?

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Speaker 2: How many are absolutes? I'd say Garrett Williams and Max Melton, Starling, Thomas,

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Speaker 2: nice player, undrafted rookie a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: You want to consider Thomas in that group?

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Speaker 2: I would, I mean, but I'm talking.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. I would agree with Paul.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking has absolutely made the cut, sitting right here,

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Speaker 4: There's nothing that could happen that would have him.

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Speaker 3: I'm more on the fence. I think I could see

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Speaker 3: this year of Melton earning a starting role, where last

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Speaker 3: year it was Melton kind of fighting for that because

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Speaker 3: Thomas had a year prior. But I still see I

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Speaker 3: guess you guys still see the upside in Thomas. I

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Speaker 3: think I'm just a little more convinced than the two

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Speaker 3: of you are.

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Speaker 4: When he says made men, this is how I'm interpreting this.

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Speaker 4: Tell me if I'm wrong, Paul, He's talking about when

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Speaker 4: you have all these cornerbacks. Somebody isn't going to be here.

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Speaker 4: Who are you willing to I don't want to say

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Speaker 4: bet your house because Danny has a big problem with

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Speaker 4: Bet your paycheck? Who are you betting your paycheck? That

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Speaker 4: they're absolutely on this roster? I can't given who they have.

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Speaker 2: He's a total unknown. He's a complete unknown. We don't

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Speaker 2: know really what he's about because he really didn't have

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Speaker 2: Not an absolute. Sean Murphy Bunting. Are you telling me

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Speaker 2: if SMB gets out played by Will Johnson and Denzel

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Speaker 4: Oh, I would say Will Johnson's a made man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would agree with that. What I'm saying is,

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Speaker 4: What Oh, I think there's gonna be more than that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but think about this. Think about how many d

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Speaker 2: Tell me who's going When you look at Darius Robinson,

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Speaker 4: I think they could keep seven this year though.

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Speaker 2: So again, there's a really good player who would have

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Speaker 4: Isn't that what they're supposed to be doing though?

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Speaker 2: Hello, And that's why I think the real improvement comes

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Speaker 2: There is only one guaranteed way to motivate in professional sports,

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Speaker 3: That's what you want. You want that competition, you want

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Speaker 3: that fire. You don't want people to just be content

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Speaker 3: And I think when you're looking at the priorities of

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Speaker 4: And the other question to me is is if you

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Speaker 4: you might be able to flip them for a better

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Speaker 2: I joke with Dave Series, the assistant GM, you know

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Speaker 2: It was Nick Rollis. That's who won the draft. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, it was a long time coming because

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Speaker 2: number one. But then we took that conversation with Adrian Wilson,

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Speaker 4: The most famous thing about that was the undefeated Patriots,

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Speaker 2: And you just saw in the Super Bowl this last season, right,

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Speaker 4: Who do you like, and I'm not saying who's going

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Speaker 4: simply in the prism of the draft, which picked you

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Speaker 4: like better Nolan or Johnson?

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Speaker 2: Definitely Nolan, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I my original instinct was going to be Will Johnson.

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Speaker 4: That's okay. You're allowed to disagree with Paul Calvicy.

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Speaker 3: Are we taught? I just I think both picks truly

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Speaker 3: looking at long term depth and value, Nolan out of

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Speaker 3: clear that they wanted to get better on defense. That's

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Speaker 3: where a lot of the depth and the star power

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Speaker 3: injury history. The Cardinals clearly felt comfortable from a medical

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Speaker 3: his ability to take the ball away to jump routes,

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Speaker 3: the high IQ level required for that position, especially when

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Speaker 3: we have also talked about being a need short term

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Speaker 4: Is this where Paul just says, yeah, I just wanted

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Speaker 4: another I want an Aaron Donald in the middle, right.

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Speaker 4: Here's as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: I based him more on the position they play. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And Drew stand said, here's what you do. You put

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Speaker 2: then it really opens up gaps elsewhere. That's why Aaron

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald commanded triple teams. You saw in the two

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Speaker 4: I just love the fact, and now I'm going to

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Speaker 4: That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is the national narrative is that the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: well for different reasons, let's face it, but the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: There is How do I say this, because I know

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Speaker 2: Actually the light is on over Darren's shoulder right now.

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Speaker 4: They clearly obviously he's.

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Speaker 2: Thinking, he's thinking it's the light bulb. It's the light bulb.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Yeah, it's the light bulb. Here we go. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget that. It's not like they traded up

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Speaker 4: mean they were probably convicted on taking him. They weren't

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's there. Let's move up these five

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to ruin the big red rage.

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Speaker 2: But my point is is if you as also the

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Speaker 4: When you got to when he got to like forty

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Speaker 2: And I thought the Detroit Free Press and the Michigan

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Speaker 4: That's isn't that what a turf toe is? Though torn

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Speaker 2: Toe can be you know, I don't know. And then

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Speaker 2: apprehensive about Will Johnson because of the knee. Now, he

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Speaker 4: Without I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen any

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Speaker 4: of the injury things. I'm gonna say one, Obviously, the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals are very confident in whatever his injury situation is,

437
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Speaker 4: that they were willing to take him in the second round.

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Speaker 4: I will say that.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, he had a thirty visit, so

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Speaker 2: ostensibly he yes, was reviewed medically by the Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: I think that. But obviously something spooked teams, and that

442
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: kind of spooking isn't because of a sprain from last year.

443
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Speaker 4: It's because of something that might be an issue long term. Now.

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Speaker 4: Everybody can look at it differently, but the Cardinals believe

445
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Speaker 4: he's fine. So well, it's not fair.

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Speaker 3: To compare players or injuries, and that's not what I

447
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Speaker 3: want this to come across. As I think part of

448
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Speaker 3: the reason where my instinct was to answer your question,

449
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Speaker 3: Darren as Johnson is looking at Garrett Williams, who was

450
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Speaker 3: a Day two draft pick, was rehabbing an ACL injury

451
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Speaker 3: and got cleared medically by the Cardinals. Right they used

452
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Speaker 3: a draft pick on him, he wasn't able to start

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Speaker 3: his rookie year, and the upside on what he has become.

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Speaker 3: And if Johnson can have that sort of role in

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Speaker 3: this defense and you can have a cornerback as impactful

456
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Speaker 3: as Garrett Williams has been, that is huge for this defense.

457
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Speaker 3: And look this staff, look at it's not even just

458
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Speaker 3: Williams who They've done that on wide receiver Michael Wilson

459
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Speaker 3: banged up at Stanford Cardinals, felt comfortable about his medical history,

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Speaker 3: took a chance on him, and look at what he's

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Speaker 3: done for Arizona. So the fact that they cleared will Johnson,

462
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Speaker 3: when you're looking at the history of them doing that

463
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Speaker 3: throughout the draft, it has worked well for this organization.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's really interesting how he real Obviously

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Speaker 4: we talked to him. He was not happy that he fell.

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Speaker 4: He admittedly was not happy that he had fallen, quite angry,

467
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Speaker 4: called it a nightmare. Now. Jonathan Gannon said, look, he's

468
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Speaker 4: going to get over that. And Jonathananna made it Claire,

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Speaker 4: he wants him to get over that. It's it's in.

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Speaker 2: Jonathananna said, he has help. Walter Nolan the third, asked

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Speaker 2: for will Johnson's number because he wanted to talk to him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I get that he's upset. It's going to

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Speaker 4: cost him some money on the front end, but if

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Speaker 4: he plays the way everybody thinks he's going to play,

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Speaker 4: he'll get paid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A couple of his comments in addition to what you said,

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Speaker 2: I'm on a mission now. It definitely woke me up

479
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Speaker 2: for sure. I'm a shutdown corner. I know I'm healthy.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things that motivates you more than

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Speaker 2: anything else. Those are all direct quotes from Will Johnson

482
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Speaker 2: on a three minute conference call with the media. So look,

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Speaker 2: if he is healthy and he is the Will Johnson

484
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Speaker 2: that everyone saw when he was the defensive MVP of

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Speaker 2: the National Championship Game for the twenty twenty three season,

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Speaker 2: if he's that guy, he could be like Devin Witherspoon

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Speaker 2: for the Seahawks. You know, top five pick who walked

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Speaker 2: in and has been a two time All Pro in

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Speaker 2: two years. I mean, you could have Week one starting

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Speaker 2: corners as Will Johnson. Max Melton in your nickel is Garrett.

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Speaker 3: Williams when you're looking at Darren your original question of

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Speaker 3: those two picks. It seems just given this whole conversation

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Speaker 3: of what we're having that the floor feels higher for

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Speaker 3: Walternerle in the third right now, based on what he

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Speaker 3: could bring to this defense. Immediately right of this question,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about how healthy you are, the impact you

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Speaker 3: could have. But if you hit on this will Johnson

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Speaker 3: pick in the second around, Holy smokes, that feels like

499
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Speaker 3: a very high ceiling when you're talking about the confusion

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Speaker 3: of Johnson falling out of the first round. Off the

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Speaker 3: top of my head, I can't think of a mock

502
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Speaker 3: draft that did not have him in the first round.

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Speaker 3: And when those analysts are making the mock drafts, they

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Speaker 3: are having extensive conversations with coaches and scouts around the league,

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Speaker 3: so it is kind of a surprise that he wasn't

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Speaker 3: drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the last thing I'll say on this

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Speaker 4: topic when you talk about the mock drafts. I looked

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Speaker 4: at a lot of mock drafts just to look. I

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Speaker 4: never saw Will Johnson not in a first round of

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Speaker 4: a mock draft. I there were a handful that I

512
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Speaker 4: saw where Nolan wasn't in the first round, but there

513
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Speaker 4: were never any that Will Johnson wasn't, which is probably

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Speaker 4: why he's pissed off.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Can I just provide a quick refresher

516
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Speaker 2: and then we'll get cultured with Danny here in the

517
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Speaker 2: fifteen drafts until twenty twenty three, the fifteen drafts prior

518
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Speaker 2: to maniasin.

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Speaker 4: Fort Cardinals Draft, I mean Cardinals Draft Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Drafts, they in the first two rounds in those fifteen

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Speaker 2: drafts combined, they had drafted a total of two offensive

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Speaker 2: linemen in round one or two and two defensive linemen

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Speaker 2: in round one or two. Dj Humphreys, Jonathan Cooper.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The two d linemen in the fifteen drafts prior Demani

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Speaker 2: Osibourne round one or round two, Robert Candci, Dan Williams.

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Speaker 3: This was the first time and then in the all

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Speaker 3: round one first time in the modern Aaron Draft that

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals used a first round pick on a defensive

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Speaker 3: lineman in back to back years, Darius Robinson and Walt

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Speaker 3: Noll in the third.

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Speaker 2: Wow, let that hang in the air.

533
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Speaker 4: It's all about the trenches, baby.

534
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Speaker 2: Maybe even throwing a light as it's time to get cultured.

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Speaker 2: Yes with Danny.

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Speaker 3: Danny will segue to you getting cultured with Danny. It

537
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Speaker 3: is not just directed.

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Speaker 2: At Paul am I, the default uncultured philistine around here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he got me very excited now I am on.

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Speaker 3: Social media and consumerer at pop culture. Then both of.

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Speaker 2: You combined, I think I'm being unfairly profiled.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead, let's go, because that's some good notes

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Speaker 3: for the two of you today for getting cultured. The

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Speaker 3: first one NFL great Bill Belichick. Have you guys seen

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00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: him online?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 3: So he did a recent interview with CBS to promote

549
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Speaker 3: his book. First of all, let's talk about what he

550
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: was wearing, which was a T shirt with one hole

551
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: in it on his shoulder, which was supposed to be

552
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: stylish but just looked scrungey and like he was trying

553
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: way too hard. Wasn't a fan of that. So what's

554
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: been circulating on social media is the interviewer asked about

555
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Speaker 3: his relationship with his girlfriend, twenty four year old Jordan Hudson,

556
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Speaker 3: and he simply asked how they met, which is something

557
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: they have kind of talked about in the past. They've

558
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: said in the past that they met on an airplane.

559
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: They were seated next to each other and got to

560
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Speaker 3: talking and that was how they met.

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Speaker 4: How I'm cute, Danny meet cute?

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Speaker 3: Was it? Because when when Belichick was asked about it,

563
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Speaker 3: you can see on the camera that Jordan Hudson is

564
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Speaker 3: in the back and immediately shuts down, says we're not

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Speaker 3: talking about that. And there's no pushback from Belichick at all.

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Speaker 3: And there were reportedly other instances where Hudson interrupted the

567
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Speaker 3: question and said, we're not talking about that. So now

568
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Speaker 3: people are wondering that you've got a nearly fifty year

569
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Speaker 3: age gap between these two. So some people think, oh,

570
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Speaker 3: they're just being private, they don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to go into the theories and

572
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: start it's a good idea talking about maybe how they.

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Speaker 4: Take a thirty view of this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people people might not believe the story that they

575
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Speaker 3: have originally told people since she's shutting that down now.

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Speaker 3: So that's what's been circulating.

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Speaker 4: This is this is tangential to this. Danny knows about this,

578
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: I know, because she is so cultured. Paul, I'm guessing

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Speaker 4: does not. This is There was there was a Twitter feed.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to leave out who it was about, but

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Speaker 4: there was a Twitter feed, I want to say, in

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Speaker 4: twenty one, maybe twenty two of a random dude talking

583
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Speaker 4: about a semi public person who is about to get

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Speaker 4: a divorce and it is the best epic thread about

585
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Speaker 4: because the guy getting divorced was around our age, maybe

586
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Speaker 4: a little bit older, and it was basically like, dude,

587
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Speaker 4: you don't want to be out here.

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00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: It is don't be in the street.

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Speaker 4: It's the best thread of all time. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: show it to you afterwards, Paul. But this is with

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. This is kind of how I'm feeling like

592
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Speaker 4: he should have read that thread.

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Speaker 3: And it feels kind of cumulative of recent videos right

594
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Speaker 3: at unc of when Belichick needs to get miked up

595
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Speaker 3: because I think they have cameras that are following him

596
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: for his own production company and coverage. Now it's his

597
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: girlfriend that's running out onto the field during practice in

598
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Speaker 3: heels these big like they look like go Go boots

599
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: almost and she's the one micing him up. So there's

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Speaker 3: been a lot of discussion about their relationship and.

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Speaker 2: And when anyone really inquires about it, she basically tells

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Speaker 2: them we're on to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Okay, the next point. This has been

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Speaker 3: a very fun discussion that I have had with a

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Speaker 3: few people around the offense, around the office. It's been

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Speaker 3: a topic on Twitter. If one hundred men could take

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Speaker 3: on one gorilla.

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Speaker 4: Unarmed men. You got to make that clear. Armed men.

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Speaker 3: It's just one hundred men fighting to beat a gorilla

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Speaker 3: and not be the ones that are killed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right? And and and what is the point

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Speaker 2: of the discussion, can they Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The point is is social interaction, Paul, Okay, if we

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Speaker 4: can't talk about one hundred men versus a gorilla gorilla,

615
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Speaker 4: what are we going to tell you?

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Speaker 3: How do you both feel?

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Speaker 5: See?

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Speaker 2: I feel a disadvantage because something tells me you've had

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Speaker 2: extensive conversations on this topic. I may have been how

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Speaker 2: do you feel, I'll just say one hundred or a thousand,

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Speaker 2: it's just a matter of time before the gorilla takes

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Speaker 2: out every one of them.

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Speaker 4: So much much normally I was. I was completely on

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Speaker 4: team gorilla, like, there's no freaking way you're you're taking

625
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Speaker 4: out a gorilla with no weapons. But then I saw

626
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Speaker 4: a thread because this is what happens of some dude

627
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Speaker 4: who's apparently a gorilla expert and basically said, look, it's

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Speaker 4: it's you're gonna suffer some casualties. But a gorilla is

629
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Speaker 4: close enough to humans, is like there's some there's gonna

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Speaker 4: be some instances the gorilla is gonna get tired. If

631
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Speaker 4: you can get enough guys on him, he's gonna get exhausted.

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Speaker 3: They're so strong and so fast and have such intense

633
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: teeth and big mouths. I just I think I think

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Speaker 3: the general discussion is mostly men, because I don't think

635
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Speaker 3: I've seen or heard any women think that one hundred

636
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Speaker 3: men could take on a gorilla. I think that the

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Speaker 3: average human male is being vastly overrated and the average

638
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: gorilla is being vastly underrated. And I don't care if

639
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: these people are built like Aaron Donald or JJ Watt.

640
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: A gorilla can still take that. And what good is

641
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: an Aaron Donald or jj Watt if they get swung

642
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: around and they have an entire arm that is useless.

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Speaker 4: I will say, I'd rather talk about men versus gorilla

644
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: than more shador sanders that we got all draft weekends,

645
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: So that so that's all I have.

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Speaker 3: You've been cultured well.

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00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: Quality quality ones right there.

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Speaker 2: Why Why do I believe that the people doing the

649
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: overrating of the men are the men themselves?

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Speaker 3: You would be correct in that, Poul, That.

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Speaker 2: Would be uh yeah, speaking of men, the power pole

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Speaker 2: of incompetence will come a little bit later in this

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Speaker 2: episode of Cardinals Underground Pole. Okay, I mean we've got.

654
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Speaker 4: A whole draft poster after winning behavior and we.

655
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Speaker 2: You know, we're distracted by by gorilla warfare? Is that

656
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: what people are calling it online?

657
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: Grilla warfare?

658
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Are they calling it exactly? By the way, schudor Sanders,

659
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: here's another holy can only stat lost over forty million

660
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: dollars going from round one to round five? So just

661
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: in case you are wondering, I it can always I don't.

662
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Know, this's on the rundown to have this discussion. Part

663
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: of me I will say, like, however you feel about

664
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: him as a player or being Dion Sanderson, I felt

665
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: for him when you think you're going round one, to

666
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: the point where the NFL invites you out there, he

667
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: didn't go right. He was home. He had his custom

668
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: built wall for all the different hats in his legendary box.

669
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Speaker 3: There was some sort of disconnect of thinking he was

670
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Speaker 3: going to be round one. Whether that was because it

671
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: wasn't a quarterback heavy class and so maybe being a

672
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: little skewed there, whatever it might have been, to be

673
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: under the impression you're going in the first round and

674
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Speaker 3: then not even go on day two and go on

675
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: day three. At some point you just kind of feel

676
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: for him, don't you even a little?

677
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm with you. But again, like so it was

678
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: pointed out which I had forgotten about because it's been

679
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: a while ago. But like Dion did a lot of this,

680
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: did a lot of things when he went on his

681
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: interviews before he got drafted. But he was Dion, he

682
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: was he was elite. He was elite. And the problem

683
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 4: is is it feels like Dion was giving his son

684
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: a lot of the same kind of advice. It sounds like,

685
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 4: and his son isn't quite the same guy.

686
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: He didn't do any off season or you know, part

687
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: of this pre draft process workouts like he it was

688
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: not the typical approach. And I'm not saying by any

689
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: means that you know it wasn't right. I guess where

690
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: he was picked based on skill level or personality or

691
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: the interview, whatever the reason might have been to have

692
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: fallen to day three. I just when you've got the

693
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: cameras on you for two straight days, right, like.

694
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 4: Okay, but let's make clear the cameras were on him. Yeah,

695
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: they're his own cameras.

696
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: I'm just saying to a certain extent from a human level,

697
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: you kind of feel for the guy when he was

698
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: I mean players were getting drafted. He was the entire discussion,

699
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: the entire draft.

700
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Well, Dylan Gabriel got drafted much earlier than he did,

701
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: like I didn't. That's when I'm like, oh boy, first of.

702
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: All, and I got all kinds of thoughts on the

703
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: prank call stuff. But like one of the reasons everybody

704
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: knew about it was because the Sanders can't put out

705
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: the video of him getting the prank call. Lot.

706
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: That's fair, That's absolutely fair to a certain extent. You

707
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: are asking, right, you're bringing that attention to yourself.

708
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: Breaking news. DJ Humphrey signs with the forty nine ers.

709
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: Oh, because they did not address their offensive line basically

710
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: at all in the draft. So that was very curious. Okay,

711
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: all right, we'll get to the forty nine ros.

712
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: DJ Humphreys, Kalas Campbell, Jarius Robinson. That'll be fun.

713
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking to Day three the draft, the

714
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: Holy Canoly stat is still Super Bowl fifty two where

715
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: Philly beat New England. Eighteen starters in that game. Eighteen

716
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: were drafted in the fourth round or lower, and there

717
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: were six undrafted free agents who were starters in that

718
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Dang. So that's my segue into day three,

719
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: and Danie, you'll especially be hardened to know that the

720
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: Polly Pigskin Breakout Player at Camp, we've already started to

721
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: formulate the watch list. Just the watch list, Okay, we

722
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: don't get over our skis not even May as of

723
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: this recording. But as of right now we have two names.

724
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: The number is too, Cody Simon and Hayden Connor. Right

725
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: now I have on the Polly Pigskin Breakout Player at

726
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: Camp watch list.

727
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: Just to let you know, I feel strongly about Cody Simon.

728
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: Hayden Connor is going to have a lot of competition

729
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: to break through in that offensive line room. Are you

730
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: seeing him as a guard? Are you seeing him as

731
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: a center guard?

732
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Definitely guard? Definitely guard. He's not competing with Yelda.

733
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Speaker 3: No.

734
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: But let's see Evan Brown, Isaiah Adams, who also am

735
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Speaker 2: I missing.

736
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: Newman Jake I'm forgetting his last name, and that's I'm

737
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: glad you brought that up because when we start talking

738
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: about who they passed on in the fifth round again,

739
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: those guards, it wasn't just Isaiah Adams. I mean if

740
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: they're looking at a guy like they just signed Royce

741
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: Newman and they look at his body of work and

742
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 4: I know, going, who's Royce Newman. But if the coaching

743
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 4: staff in the front office is looking at this guy

744
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: who they signed as a free agent and they say,

745
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: this guy is better than what we've seen on tape

746
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: of Miles Frasier, Yeah, you know what though.

747
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: Paul I love keeping an eye on Cody Simon, inside

748
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: linebacker out of Ohio State six two two twenty nine.

749
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: He was a two year starter twenty twenty fourteen captain

750
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: where he wore the green dot, which is huge. Now, look,

751
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: that is a big responsibility when you are having to

752
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: learn a new system and a playbook and adjust to

753
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: the speed of the game. If you're going to also

754
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: have a rookie where green dot calling the defense, that's

755
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: a big question mark going into camp because it seems

756
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: like now with the offseason moves and drafting Simon that

757
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: it's not going to be a likely reunion with Kaizer White,

758
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: who has called the defense the last two years. Simon

759
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: was defensive MVP of the Rose Bowl. He won the

760
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: Big Ten Medal of Honor, which recognizes excellence in athletics

761
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: and academics, and when you look at him as a

762
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: player in person, it feels like to a t what

763
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: awesome for it? And Gannon want in their players on

764
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: the field and in that locker room as somebody who's

765
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: fast and physical and has the traits and that is

766
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: the type of player you want. But also the person

767
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: Simon had the block. Oh so we had the number

768
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: zero at Ohio State, which is something you have to earn.

769
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Speaker 3: And it has been described to me as someone who

770
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: is a pillar of what it means to be a

771
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Buckeye on and off the field in the classroom, the community,

772
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Speaker 3: and the field.

773
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: I know who did the describing.

774
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: It's not important. It's a source. It's a reliable.

775
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: Source that inside linebacker room is. It's changed quite a bit.

776
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: So, Okay, I've started digging on this a little bit

777
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: because we've talked about it here for over a month

778
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: now on Cardinals Underground. Where exactly are the Cardinals going

779
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: for a middle linebacker? Who's gonna wear the green dot,

780
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: who's gonna call the defense? You know? The hot take?

781
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: I even have Xavi and Collins included in the mix.

782
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: That's starting to cool off a little bit based on

783
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of research I'm doing.

784
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: He's never that hot.

785
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: He sounded pretty hot on it at the end of

786
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: the Cover Draft podcast.

787
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: He was I would handicap it right now as the rookie,

788
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: Cody Simon a candidate, a Keem Davis Gaither a candidate,

789
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: and MIKEL. Walker the free agent who was with the

790
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: Falcons for a number of years a couple other teams

791
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I think Mac Wilson Senior is

792
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: much more apt to stay the will and or an

793
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: edge guy in certain packages. So now to Danny's question

794
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: about could Cody Simon where the green dot? That was

795
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: a question I posed a little bit and it goes

796
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: something like this, Is it a leap to call a

797
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: game be the quarterback of the defense from college to

798
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: the NFL? Yes? Is it challenging to go against the

799
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, et cetera. Yes, But if you

800
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: now have enough talent up front where you're gonna play

801
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: it much more simple than you have in years past,

802
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: I e. Rush for drop seven. You're not gonna do

803
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: all the eleven card pickup, as we've called it, all

804
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: the craziness and zaniness and unconventional sets and alignments and

805
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: all these other exotic blitzes that Nick Ross dialed up

806
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: most of the time out of need trying to generate

807
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: any sort of pass rush he could manufacture it. If now,

808
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: if it's more homegrown and organic, if you will, and

809
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: you can rush for and drop seven, guess what, the

810
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: defense isn't nearly as complicated to call any longer. So

811
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: whereas an a Kaiser White was so valuable in that

812
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: regard because he had so much experience, guess what you

813
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: could maybe get away with a rookie. Now, rookie, you

814
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: played it at a high level at Ohio State and

815
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: went all the way to the championship game. Four time

816
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: academic All Big ten, right, big brain, high football IQ,

817
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: the whole deal. So I think the plot thickens a

818
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: little bit on Cody Simon.

819
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: He has his finance degree. I think if you can

820
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: have that, then you can wear the green dot and

821
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: call defense an NFL game, Right, Yeah.

822
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: It violates our role hashtag no mass. So much respect

823
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: to Cody Simon for getting the finance degree, no doubt

824
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: about It's so. I think that's it's really curious. There

825
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: was an interview MONI did with Wolf on ninety eight

826
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: to seven Arizona Sports, and Wolf flat out asked him,

827
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: Will Hernandez Kaizer White? Could there will there be a future?

828
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: And MANI said two things. One, lines of communication always opened. Two,

829
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: he hinted, you know, we'll get the guys out on

830
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: the field and we'll see what we have. So I

831
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: think you can tell fairly quickly is a rookie overwhelmed

832
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: by the playbook, And if that rookie is overwhelmed all

833
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: the way through rookie mini camp, mandatory mini camp, if

834
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: you're breaking in mid June and the coaches gather and

835
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: you go, you know, he's swimming, he's really swamped, or

836
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: he's mastered everything we've given him so far. We don't

837
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: need to make the call to a veteran.

838
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to say this. I think I think

839
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: while you're never gonna say never, I think it was

840
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: probably likely that as soon as Quody Simon's name was called,

841
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 4: that probably ended things with Kaizer White, because because I

842
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: think even if Cody Simon is a little bit overwhelmed,

843
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: I think you look at a Walker, or you look

844
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: at a Davis Gaither and you just go in that direction.

845
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: But I don't. I'm with you. I don't necessarily think

846
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: he's going to be overwhelmed. And I've never met the kid,

847
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: like I've talked to him for two minutes. But I

848
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: just I think when you talk about why they went

849
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 4: there in the fourth round when they could have gone

850
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 4: a lot of other places, that was probably a big

851
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: reason why they.

852
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: Liked that IDEA good name to have on your list.

853
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: Paul, here's the last point I'll make about this. You know,

854
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: we were a big fan of Jahad Campbell. Right, Eagles

855
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: traded up and a round one got Jahat Campbell he

856
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: ran a four or five to one. Cody Simon ran

857
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: a four to six zero, four to six flat. Now

858
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: that's a big difference on paper, it's a big difference

859
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the town evaluators. But when a

860
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: game starts, if one of those inside linebackers has superior

861
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: instincts and the other doesn't guess what, you're playing a

862
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: lot faster than the four to six or the four

863
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: or five guy doesn't have instincts is playing like a

864
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: four to seven. So Jahad Campbell, who spent a lot

865
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: of time on the edge at Alabama, we don't know

866
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: how natural he is with the instincts reading or reacting,

867
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: seek and destroy as an inside linebacker. We saw that

868
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: was Sonreddick. Son Reddick just based on pure athleticism, was

869
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: one of the quickest dudes out there. Never played that

870
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: quick an inside linebacker because it wasn't natural to him.

871
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: So can Cody Simon make up wasn't elite speed? Pretty

872
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: good speed, not elite And we're not talking Patrick Willis

873
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: here or anything like that. But if he can be

874
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: that guy and can still be serviceable enough with the

875
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: athleticism and he's not a complete liability in coverage either

876
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: on backs or tight ends anyway, that's.

877
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: You had a lot to say about Cody Simon.

878
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: It's the one big question that in guard. To me,

879
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: those are the two big question marks right now on

880
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: this roster. Okay, So that's fair, Okay. Hayden Connor, we

881
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about him, right six six three,

882
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: fourteen year starter at Texas. I mean, Danny this guy,

883
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean just based on who he's gone against. See

884
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: it's Denzel Burke and Hayden Connor just based on who

885
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: they practiced against, which is really remarkable. Whether it's five

886
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: first round picks at receiver, for Ohio State over the

887
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: course of Denzel Burke's career, or the fact you've gone

888
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: against elite first and second round defensive linemen for four

889
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: straight years, Hayden Connor, It's pretty easy to see is

890
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: this guy getting killed or is this guy holding up

891
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 2: against some of the best in the game.

892
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 3: There's reason to why six of these seven draft picks

893
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: come from a Power five conference, and when you're playing

894
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 3: in the Big ten, Big twelve sec the competition there

895
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: is vastly different than other conferences, and you can still

896
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: absolutely find good players, but you're already kind of coming

897
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 3: in with good big time experience in some of those

898
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: games where the lights are bright and you need to

899
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: go and it's essentially in their eyes, win or die.

900
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: Right in college footballs, it's like if you lose a game,

901
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: holy smokes, the wheels are falling off. So absolutely the

902
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: competition from a practice standpoint as well as the game

903
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: standpoint that matters. When you're evaluating, you're saying, Okay, you

904
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: can hold your own against competition like this. We're not

905
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: so worried about you coming in and having such a

906
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: hard time adjusting to the NFL level.

907
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: I'm really curious again, when we talk about this stuff,

908
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what Isaiah Adams looks like, what

909
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: Christian Jones looks like. I mean, again, you draft guys.

910
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: I mean, Christian Jones was a fifth round pick in

911
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: a draft class, Isaiah Simmons third round or Isaiah Adams, sorry,

912
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams third round in a draft class that was

913
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: considered stronger on the offensive line than the current one.

914
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 4: So if they're getting drafted, you know, again going back

915
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: to what we were talking about, the guys they passed on,

916
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: I mean, those guys were fifth round picks in a

917
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: draft class that people thought kind of dropped off the

918
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: table offensive line wise after you got past the first

919
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: five or six.

920
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: Fun fact too, Hayden Connor has a charity with his

921
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: wife called Pause Paws for a Cause that helps find

922
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: homes for dogs, which I appreciate.

923
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: Aw nice nice.

924
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: I do think it's also fun when you look at

925
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: the connections these draft picks have. These draft picks have

926
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: either with each other or Cardinals on the roster. Will

927
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: Johnson second round pick went up against all these Ohio

928
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: state guys, right going up against Marvin Harrison junior, which

929
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: seems to be prerequisite for becoming an Arizona Cardinal at

930
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: this point. Third round pick outside linebacker Jordan Birch from

931
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: Oregon played high school football with Cardinals outside linebacker Zavi

932
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: or Thomas, which is it feels like a small world, right.

933
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: You've got Cody Simon out of Ohio State with all

934
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: those players, denzil Burke out of Ohio State, so there's

935
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: a connection there. And then Hayden Connor was teammates at

936
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: Texas with the seventh round picks safety Keaton Crawford, who

937
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: ended up going to Nevada his final year. They were teammates,

938
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of shes between each other. And

939
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: with Cardinals already on this roster.

940
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 2: By the way, I heard from a reliable source Xavior

941
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: Thomas has been winning the offseason. He looks swollen as

942
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: a kids say, and Darius Robinson has put on some

943
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: muscle mass. But I want to know about is Isaiah

944
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: Adams in the squad rack right, what's he looking like?

945
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: Because if he has made a lot of gains, had

946
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: like a Zach Allen offseason he had from year one

947
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: to year two and put on like fifteen good pounds

948
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: and got a lot stronger, he is the sleeper on

949
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: that offensive line.

950
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: I mean, again, that's where this all has to be

951
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: put together. And that's why roster building is so important.

952
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 4: And again they kept around in one shape, way, shape,

953
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: or form. They kept all twelve draft picks last year.

954
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: I mean the idea is is that you're building the

955
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: roster with those guys and we will see And I

956
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: just feel like that got lost real easily as we've

957
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 4: gone through this offseason.

958
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: All right, So that could qualify as winning behavior. What

959
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: does not qualify as winning behavior? I guess that's what

960
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: we get to.

961
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: Now, can you display winning behavior? You have to consistently

962
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 5: display winning behavior.

963
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: That's winning behavior.

964
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 5: You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold

965
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 5: people to that standard.

966
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Gino Suarez a four homer game for the

967
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: d Backs nineteenth time in major league history. I mean,

968
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: that's when the all time rarities in baseball history going

969
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: back one hundred and twenty years plus. But it's not

970
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: winning behavior on part of the team because they lost.

971
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: That's tough. A four home run game and you lost

972
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: the game, Okay.

973
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: That's that's brutal. I think there's only been like three

974
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: all time four homer games by a person and the

975
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: team loss. That was one of them, Bob Horner. I

976
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 4: think in nineteen eighty six former Issue Sun Devil and

977
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: Glendale Apollo great and yeah for the Braves. And then

978
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: there was some dude in like nineteen fifteen.

979
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: Gotcha with the name Stretch or something like that. Probably Okay,

980
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: what's the horseheads one? You got to help me out.

981
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 4: I did think this was kind of humorous when we're

982
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 4: talking about like so many of these teams give out

983
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: shirts or whatever for an NBA playoff game. You know,

984
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: you know the Clippers New place, they have the wall

985
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: on the one end and it's facing the team, the

986
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: opposing team in the second half, I assume, and before

987
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 4: one of the playoff games with the Nuggets, and we

988
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 4: all know how much nicolea. Jokic loves his ponies.

989
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 3: That totally cares about.

990
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve Balmer made sure all the fans in that

991
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 4: area got horsehead like hats or things to put on

992
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: their heads, so like they all look like horses.

993
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: Like this behavior that is as behavior point of the wall.

994
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: That is, like, there are things I think that you

995
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: keep in every sport, right it belongs in college, doesn't

996
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: necessarily belong in the pros vice versa. What I think

997
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: is so fun in college is when the students do

998
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: things like that, right, and you really create some sort

999
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: of advantage for that home team. And I think, I

1000
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: think that's a fun way. And it's so personal, right,

1001
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: It's not something random. It's so personal too.

1002
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 4: It's superstar. It's not like bad personal. It's just we

1003
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 4: you know, you know, it's.

1004
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 3: Personal where it's positive. Yeah, I just see.

1005
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to trigger his brothers. Have you seen

1006
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: his brothers.

1007
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 4: I have seen his brothers.

1008
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, one hundred men against a gorilla, no chance,

1009
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: but the three Jokic brothers against a gorilla. Now you're talking.

1010
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 4: There's a there's a picture floating around on the internet somewhere.

1011
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 4: I saw it on Twitter a couple of different times,

1012
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: and it's Jokic and one of his brothers and like

1013
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: a diner like booth, and Jokic looks like he's about

1014
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: six foot two hundred next to his brother. And I'm like,

1015
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: oh my god.

1016
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh okay, let's see here. Okay, I am intrigued.

1017
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: I gotta admit it, and I hate to do it.

1018
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: The Jalen Milroe pick for the stink and Seahawks.

1019
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know he's I don't know if he's

1020
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: going to be any good, but I saw this anecdote.

1021
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: Kah and and please share because I'm not familiar.

1022
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 4: I hate to say this. I'm well first of all,

1023
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: and this isn't what I'm talking about. I'll get to

1024
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: the anecdote real quick, but he did. On his conference

1025
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: call with reporters, somebody asked him, what is your comment

1026
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: to all the teams that passed on you? And he

1027
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: said belt to ass, which is a fantastic.

1028
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: But so Danny, I backed off the mic so it

1029
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: was nice and clean.

1030
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 4: I saw this anecdote, and God, I hope it's true.

1031
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 4: And I gotta be honest. I know he's a Seahawk

1032
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 4: now and I've never been an Alabama fan, but I

1033
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: love this if this is true about Jalen Milroe. At

1034
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: the combine, one of the teams asked Jalen Milrose a

1035
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 4: series of questions about what he was really good at,

1036
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: and then they asked him what he could get better at,

1037
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 4: and his answer was, how much time do you have?

1038
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 4: And the guy goes and we're sitting here interviewing Jalen

1039
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 4: Milrose and he's telling us all these areas he's working

1040
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: on right now, to which this team said to him,

1041
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: are you not concerned? Pointing out all these things to

1042
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 4: us would concern us? And he basically said back, uh,

1043
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: you should be concerned with any guy that comes into

1044
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: this room who hasn't played a down of NFL football

1045
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 4: and doesn't tell you that he has weaknesses or that

1046
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: he isn't working on them. Plus, it's an insult because

1047
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: he knows, because that means he doesn't think you know

1048
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: how to watch film.

1049
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: WHOA, I.

1050
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: Love that.

1051
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 4: Wow. I hope he came up with that on his own.

1052
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 4: Maybe he was coached to do that, But what a

1053
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 4: fantastic answer.

1054
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald Delta ask that.

1055
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: Was a whiplash on that sound effect?

1056
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: Well, get ready, NFCUS, because Mike McDonald has already said

1057
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe will get a package of plays. It's going

1058
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: to be in their.

1059
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: Offense, not if Drew Locke has anything to do about it.

1060
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: Right, So, and someone asked him, could he be sort

1061
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: of like your Taysom Hill like play like four different positions?

1062
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: They said absolutely not. He's a quarterback. So okay, all right,

1063
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: very interesting on that one. What else do we have here? Well, yeah,

1064
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: in the Idia prank.

1065
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: Which we kind of touched on already.

1066
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: I cannot believe what why would you post that? Why

1067
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: would you? I mean, I know I guess I would sure,

1068
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: but but I guess this day and age, people just

1069
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 3: want to be viral. I just I could not believe

1070
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: that was posted.

1071
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 4: I know everybody's talked about this to death. So this

1072
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: will let me go in this one small area of it.

1073
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 4: When he said I made a mistake, no, no, you

1074
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: most definitely did not make a mistake because you intentionally

1075
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: did that. A mistake is Paul having a glass of

1076
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: coffee here and me accidentally knocking it over. That's a mistake.

1077
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: A mistake is not going finding a phone number, writing

1078
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: it down, making a plan of how we're gonna call

1079
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: this guy in prank them, and then calling him and

1080
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: prank them. That is not a mistake.

1081
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 2: It's premeditated.

1082
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: It's premeditated.

1083
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: And then relation to the Falcons.

1084
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: Well, and again that's a whole I'll let that go

1085
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: because I think that's horrible on so many ways. And

1086
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 4: I know, okay, I won't say that. I was gonna

1087
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: bring up Jalen Milrose again and saying if it was

1088
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: one of my kids. But again this, I know he's young,

1089
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: but he's twenty one. It's not like it was a

1090
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: twelve year old.

1091
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: It was a twenty one year old dude, and you're

1092
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 3: recording it, so you clearly know you're doing this to post,

1093
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: to get attention whatever.

1094
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: Not winning behavior, no, no, I feel for the dad though,

1095
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: Jeff Olbrook definitely feel for the dad.

1096
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: Jalen Milroll winning behavior, not winning behavior, Jax Olbrook.

1097
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: Let's see here, you know what else I don't need

1098
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: in the NFC West in addition to Jalen Milroe, because

1099
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: by the way, Sam Darnold is getting hurt behind that

1100
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: Jankie Seahawks offensive line, so you will see Jalen Milroll

1101
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: because he's the only guy who's gonna have a chance.

1102
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Do you need that sort of athleticism behind that offensive line?

1103
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: Atlanta trading the Rams a twenty twenty six round one

1104
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: pick to basically move up twenty spots. What are you doing, Atlanta?

1105
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: What are you doing? And why are you giving the

1106
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: Rams maybe their quarterback next year and what will be

1107
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: a much better quarterback draft and you're giving them a

1108
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: first round pick.

1109
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: I can understand how that would do if that would

1110
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 4: frustrate you.

1111
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: Didn't remember, though, Paul Seattle. With their first pick, number eighteen,

1112
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: they went with guard grays Abel.

1113
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, he's uh, he is plug and play. He's

1114
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: gonna he's so like Paris Johnson Junior was two years ago.

1115
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: The moment he gets off the plane, he's a starter.

1116
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna start him at left guard or right guard.

1117
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 4: I do like not only their first pick, their second pick.

1118
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 4: They got that the freak safety out of South Carolina.

1119
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 4: Nick Emmin Woro, worry.

1120
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Schneider likes to invest a lot of assets.

1121
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 4: Second, and you've got a defensive coach that'll know what

1122
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 4: to do with them.

1123
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: I think like he's a Kyle Hamilton what Mike McDonald had.

1124
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: I think grays Abel is a fine pick. I think

1125
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: they need offensive lineman. I don't. I don't know if

1126
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: he's going to be next level.

1127
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: It's not gonna save that whole offensive line. I mean

1128
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: that that thing needs an extreme makeover at this point.

1129
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: That bus all right?

1130
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of bad, Speaking of bad, the I have three

1131
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 2: three entries real quick for the powerful confidence. We haven't

1132
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: done this so so A Navy jet fighter fell off

1133
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 2: an aircraft carrier. You heard that right. Seventy million dollar

1134
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: jet fighter fell off the aircraft carrier. They were somehow

1135
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: towing it in a position, it got loose and there

1136
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 2: at once ker plunk into the sea.

1137
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: A couple that not supposed to happen. Is that bad, Paul?

1138
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm buying it though, I mean, you

1139
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: just lost a seventy million They said the aircraft carrier

1140
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: was making a quote sharp turn.

1141
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: I love conspiracy theory, CALVC.

1142
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: What what I mean? You just don't look. Is there

1143
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: any chance that our navy, who's been in conflict in

1144
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: that part of the world, actually suffered a loss that

1145
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: there was actually an incoming and it took out one

1146
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: of their planes and they are trying to save face?

1147
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: Okay, who wa just saying they're trying to save face

1148
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 4: when they could have lost it in combat, which we

1149
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: would probably say. These jerks who just blew it up,

1150
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: we're gonna now go dare bomb them. You think they're

1151
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 4: gonna save face by saying this thing rolled off the

1152
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 4: edge of the boat.

1153
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: You can't give these hootie rebels any sort of victory,

1154
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: even small ones. Okay, here's the next one. I'm gonna

1155
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: make this quick, so everyone has their streaming services. If

1156
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: you're an Orioles or Nats fan, you you went and

1157
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: you signed up for the mid Atlantic Sports Network masson

1158
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: right and mid and so whatever it is. It was

1159
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: supposed to be eighty nine to ninety nine, and lots

1160
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: of fans got to bill that month for eighty nine dollars.

1161
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: That got billed nine grand instead of ninety dollars because

1162
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: of that pesky decimal point that was two spots off.

1163
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: This is why we don't work in finance.

1164
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: And then here's the last one. Wall Street Journal last

1165
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: week headline, America is battling a tsunami of stuff and

1166
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: the stuff is winning America. The headline, Yeah, Americans, mountain

1167
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: of clutter remain. Here's the stat that stood out. Some

1168
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of Americans in a recent survey said

1169
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: they repurchased items they already own because clutter keeps them

1170
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: from finding the original hoarders. We're all orders.

1171
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: We will kind of be asked for one of these surveys.

1172
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: I need to show a hands. Has anybody repurchased an

1173
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: item they absolutely know they own that's somewhere in their

1174
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: household yet they can't find it because it's buried somewhere.

1175
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: I'll just buy another one.

1176
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: Okay, but we're talking about like.

1177
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: None seventy one people.

1178
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: Like Besides, I know at one.

1179
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 4: Point, I know, at one point I think I accidentally

1180
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: had bought I had three bottles of Worcestershire sauce in

1181
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: the house. No, I couldn't even say it once.

1182
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: So anyway, so what is the final order on your list?

1183
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: Are ranking these? Yeah, ray Gun doing you know well,

1184
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: ray Gun was was was temporarily replaced by her brother

1185
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: who remember, you know, for the crip dough fraud. That's true,

1186
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: that was you know, yeah, I really should update the

1187
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,479
Speaker 2: overall Well, the red Lobster guy is off right because

1188
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: I got a new Yeah, regrettably, regrettably Texas A and

1189
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: M baseball right not making their players available after losses.

1190
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: They're they're still on there. That's that's on there.

1191
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: So anyway, you are a man of grudges.

1192
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: This is just abject incompetence. You know, we're we're being

1193
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: we're being. This is objective objective, you know, so uh,

1194
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: there you go down the.

1195
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: Quick Diamondbacks on there for losing game where they had

1196
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: guy hit.

1197
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: Four Homers won't put that on there, any other closing comments, analysis, anecdotes, anything.

1198
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm just happy the draft is over, Paul, Really, okay,

1199
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: you're not happy.

1200
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: It's the closest thing to game day, though. I mean,

1201
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: at least there's some intensity, there's some adrenaline, there's something

1202
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: to talk about, something to report on a real time happening.

1203
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: You know, you can question the strategy, the tack.

1204
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: Did you hold your own with Adrian Wilson?

1205
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many AFT party?

1206
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: I did sort of do what I do best. I

1207
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: tried to play the dumb guy backstage to see if

1208
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: Adrian really knew what he was talking about. So like

1209
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: when Carolina took Tetero and McMillan, I'm like, oh, that's

1210
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: a terrible pick, right. I sort of let it hang

1211
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: in the air to.

1212
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 4: See if he'd recieve you're talking about him the team

1213
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: he just worked for.

1214
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: I didn't quite realize that, and I found out the

1215
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: hard way when he gave me a detailed analysis of

1216
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: why I was dead wrong. And now they need an

1217
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: next receiver and the keid opening up that offense is

1218
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: an outside X receiver and they don't have it, and

1219
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: that Dave Canalis came from Tampa where he had Mike Evans. Yeah,

1220
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: turned the light off because I so. Yeah, I found

1221
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: out the hard way. A dub is definitely up on

1222
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: his prospects.

1223
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: He definitely knows no autographs for you.

1224
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: Uh well, uh, Adrian signed a lot. Let's put it

1225
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: that way. He signed a lot of autographs out there.

1226
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I was being set up

1227
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: on that one, Danny. So I took no.

1228
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you signed any autographs.

1229
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: I just I feel like I feel like you're you know,

1230
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: I don't go somewhere with that. It's going to be

1231
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: a zinger.

1232
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: She does that, the she kind of puts it out there,

1233
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: and just her tone of her voice sounds like she's

1234
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 4: setting up and she's really not.

1235
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: I wish she would have the nerve to make eye

1236
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: contact with me while you say that next time.

1237
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean she is closer in age to Jacks Olbrook.

1238
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: You know the premeditated. You know it is a little

1239
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: bit premeditated, don't you know.

1240
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 3: So I'm time to wrap the podcast.

1241
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna end this before the zinger comes out of

1242
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 2: Danny's mouth. That'll do it for Cardinals Underground here brought

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