1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Tommy Di Dario, I can never look at a winebottle 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: the same way again. The brilliant Kara Bono is my 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: guest today who plays Karen Wheeler in Stranger Things. And 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: when I tell you that her face off with the 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: demo organ is one of the best performances I have 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: ever seen, I'm not kidding. She was every single one 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: of us in that moment who would do anything to 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: protect someone we love. She is easily one of the 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: most talked about parts of this final season of Stranger Things, 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: and for good reason. So as we get ready for 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: part two to drop, we are reflecting on her epic journey, 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: this standout season for her and all the breadcrumbs that 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: she clocked along the way of filming Stranger Things without 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: knowing exactly how everything was going to turn out. It's 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: so cool to see her talk about all these moving 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: pieces and we get to see a side to Kara 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: that she doesn't often show, but one that is very 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: much relatable, and I am just so grateful for her vulnerability. 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: It truly made me feel seen, and I hope it 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: does the same for you. So let's see if today 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: we can get Kara to say something that she has 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: never said before. Kara, my friend, how are you? 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 2: I'm great, I'm so happy to be here. 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you. You have been on 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: a whirlwind. Are you okay? Have you slept? Have you eaten? Like? 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: How you doing right now? 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm good. 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: I'm a little tired, but in the best way. I 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: think I'm maybe fighting a little something, but I'm going 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: to beat it. Okay, Yeah, it's not going to take 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: me down. 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Good, good, Well, this is your moment, This is your moment. 34 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: I watched you, obviously in part one of The Stranger Things, 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: and I was jumping up and down at my television. 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: My husband Gio and I were like, this has got 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: to be one of the greatest performances we've ever seen 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: in our entire life. Wow, Like literally you versus that 39 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Dema Gorgon. I'm going on a record and saying one 40 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: of the greatest performances we've ever seen. 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: Wow, thank you, I mean thank you. I don't know 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: what else to say to that. I mean, I you know, 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: I've had a little bit of time to reflect on 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 3: the reaction to it, which has been really nice. I mean, 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I've been acting for a long time, 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: and I especially with stranger things, you get to meet 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: a lot of amazing fans, especially the young fans, and 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: people really responded so emotionally to to the to the scene, 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: and I've met a lot of people who were very 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: moved emotionally by it. A lot of parents actually who 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: were saying that they were brought to tears by it, 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: which I didn't expect because I think, you know, it's 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: a cool, fierce moment, and of course she's protecting her daughter. 54 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: But I think it really it really sparked something in 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: people about you know, something when somebody does something that's 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: unexpected makes them reflect on maybe what they're also capable 57 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: of doing. So I think it may have touched a 58 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: nerve and people that way as well. 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could totally see that. And the emotions you 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: brought were so raw. I mean, what did you have 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: to dig into in that moment to bring those emotions 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: to life. 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: Well, you know, a lot of it obviously was getting 64 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: the technical aspects of the stabbing and the fighting and 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: the ferocity of that and when the Duffers. I don't 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: really usually watch playback, but I just started doing it 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: because a lot it was very technical, so I wanted 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: to see it. And then we were done and they said, oh, 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: we got it, and I watched a take. I said, 70 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: can I just do one more take? And I don't 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: know if they use this one, but I think they 72 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: used it. And I said, you know what, I feel 73 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: like something's missing, like the ferocities there and sort of 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: the mechanics of it. But I felt like I wanted 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: to sort of tap into a deeper emotion doing it. 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: You know, that maybe brought up a lot more history 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: for her. So I did this one extra take where 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: I thought I just kind of plugged that in a bit, 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: and then they said, okay, that's it. 80 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 81 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: So I don't know ultimately in the editing room that 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: was the one that they used, but that was important 83 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: to me that there was an emotional layer to that 84 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: moment as well. 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: The stay away from my daughter line. I mean, that's 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a line that said, probably incorrectly or the wrong way, 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: could make or break the scene because it could come 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: off cheesy or inauthentic, but you delivered. I mean, the 89 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: night before, are you going over that line in your head? 90 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: Are you practicing in a mirror are you just kind 91 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: of surrender day of and whatever happens happens. 92 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: I didn't practice beforehand. You know, we did a lot 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: of takes, so I did deliver it a lot of 95 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: different ways. You know, there were somewhere I was more 96 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: bigger with it. It just just kind of unfolded in 97 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: the moment. I think, you know, an actor, you just 98 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: kind of see how it's unfolding and you kind of 99 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: go with it and trust that you have good directors 100 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: watching you, so you're collaborating. And I really trusted the 101 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: Duffers in that way to kind of have the same 102 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: idea the tempo of the scene, and I did. I 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: did want to say stay away from my daughter, you bitch, 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: like a Riley moment, an alien like a little homage, 105 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: but they said they would never use that. 106 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to say. 107 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: That, Yeah, you didn't even do one take like that? 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Did I do one take? I did one take, But 109 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: it was just, uh, it was for me. 110 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: That is cool though. That would have been really cool, 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: But how it. 112 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: Was was especially calling it demogorgon, you bitch. 113 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: Can you imagine the Demogorgan's a man? Maybe it's not 114 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: a man. Maybe the Demogorgan's a female. We don't know, right, 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: I just. 116 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: Thought about this, that's really interesting. 117 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: We know that what like is demo Gorgon male female, 118 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: non binary. 119 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: That's a good point, right, so your bitch would have worked, 120 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: could have worked, It could have worked, It could have worked. Well, 121 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: what's so cool is it was also the super long 122 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: scene right, like you're watching you go through all of 123 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: these these extremes from the bathtub to then the fight scene. 124 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: So what in the world were you feeling doing all 125 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: of that. 126 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: I mean, as an actor, I just put myself in 127 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: the moment of it. So there's sort of two minds working. 128 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: There's a technical aspect, right, make sure I hit my mark. 129 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: I also have an eye on Nell as sort of 130 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: like even though she's a pro and doesn't need any help. 131 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: But I also felt like, you know, almost keeping an 132 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: extra eye out for her, like when we're running. So 133 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 3: there's this technical mind that I have about just making 134 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: sure all of that's working with the camera, and you know, 135 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: I just for me, not that I don't do a 136 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: lot of preparation. I do sort of quiet preparation in 137 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: my mind, like thinking about someone or a story, and 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: but I just kind of get to set, and you know, 139 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: if I know my lines, you know, backwards and forwards 140 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: or what I'm supposed to do, and just I'm just 141 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 3: really in the moment, and it's almost like playing. 142 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: Like a child. 143 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: If you really believe what's happening, it should unfold the 144 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: way it's supposed to. So just when they say action 145 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: and there's a demogorgan, it's seeing the demogorgan and believing 146 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: that it's there. So I'm just trying to be truthful 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: in the moment and make sure I hit all the 148 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: technical aspects as well. 149 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: How long did that all take you to film, especially 150 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: being underwater in the bathtub? How long was that? 151 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: So that was shot on a separate day, and we 152 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: had a rehearsal in the tank to sort of practice, 153 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, how buoyant would be, you know, what parts 154 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: of our body would rise, and how to hold nell 155 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: and and how. 156 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: Long we could hold our breath. And we could hold 157 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: our breath for a very long time. And so that was. 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: A separate day. 159 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: Then of course we connected it to the actual scene 160 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: in the bathtub right where we had a up on 161 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: the set. 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: I think the whole thing took seven days. 163 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: When it was all you know, separately in the shooting 164 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: days of it, putting it all together in all the 165 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: different small. 166 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Beats, and it's amazing. You don't get injured in something 167 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: like that. I know the choreography is so precise, but 168 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: you're running, you're sliding, your bloody, your wet, like, no injuries. 169 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: I got a. 170 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Little injured in my shoulder from the repetition of the 171 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: stabbing motion. Oh yeah, that was because one of the 172 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: surfaces was a little harder than it should have been. 173 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: But it's okay, nothing permanent. 174 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: It was worth it, yes, it was worth it. So 175 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: for anyone out there who might be coming across around 176 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: Dema gorgan one day, what are your top three tips 177 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: for smashing a wine bottle and attacking a demic gorgan? Like, 178 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: what do you have to do to make it really work? 179 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: If you ever see a Demi gorgon in your house? 180 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 3: I have to say, Also, let's give it up to 181 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: Ted Wheeler. He didn't run away. You know, we make 182 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: fun of. 183 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: Ted, but he he could have run, he could. 184 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: Have turned and you know, high tailed it out of there. 185 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 3: He also fought back, true, right, Okay, So if you 186 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: see Demi Gorgon in your house and you have a 187 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: wine bottle, smash it, aim for the face, aim for right, 188 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: for the center. I just don't think it'll turn out 189 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: so well. But you'll feel really proud of yourself putting 190 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: up a good fight. Or you could take the wine 191 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: bottle intact and run and try to get away and 192 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: drink it, kind of pretend it didn't happen. 193 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be more my speed, to be honest, 194 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: I would be my speed. We've been talking about the 195 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: scene so much because it really is such a pivotal 196 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: and important scene in this chapter, in this final season, 197 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like for your character over the years, 198 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: we haven't seen a ton of these moments from her right, 199 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: and we've wanted to because I personally, i'll speak for myself, 200 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: have seen moments inside of her like this was it 201 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: season three, episode four, I think when you're her and 202 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: the shown Nancy had a problem with the newspaper, was 203 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: an editor and there was sexism, and you gave this 204 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: beautiful speech, and there was a scene about you know, 205 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: how the world might be after you, and I forget 206 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: the word you use it. 207 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: She says to Nancy, you know the world will try 208 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: to kind of tear you down and hold your back, 209 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: but don't let them do no, don't let them succeed. 210 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 3: And you know you've always been a fighter because I 211 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: don't know where you got it from. 212 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: And Nancy says, oh, I got it from you, mom. Yeah. 213 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: And I think that throughout the seasons, we've seen Karen 214 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: be the pillar of the family, a bit of a 215 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: comedic relief, and we've seen just sort of glimpses into 216 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: her right like sort of unfulfilled marriage and being there 217 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: for her kids, providing that domestic security, and little glimpses 218 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: in that conversation, particularly where she's about to say something 219 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: about her life, but we don't see it right. You know, 220 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: as an actor, you fill in the blanks. You try 221 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: to give your care or a full life. Everything you do, 222 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: you try to bring some subtext backstory that you may 223 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: never you know, may never share, or may never come 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: to fruition, right. But it's for you to make everything 225 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: as full as possible. And then I think when you 226 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: see you get to see Karen, you know, you see 227 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: her drunk at the beginning of this season, you know, 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: so you see more. 229 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the characters have a lot 230 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: more dark elements. They've been under quarantine for two years. Right, 231 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: we see Dustin still. 232 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: Heavy about Eddie, and I think the audience is not 233 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: really surprised about Karen kind of says, oh, yeah, Karen 234 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: would definitely step into this moment and just know what 235 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: to do, right, just kind of say, Okay, what do 236 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: I have here? I'm here, I have to protect my daughter. 237 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: Oh there's a wine bottle. I'm going to make this, 238 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: you know, almost like let's make a homemade weapon. 239 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: Right. 240 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: She's like a you know, mix things, some scratch and 241 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: she breaks that wine bottle and no fear, just does 242 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: whatever she can do. And I think she's an ordinary 243 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: person put into an extraordinary circumstance. 244 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And to your point, we did see those 245 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: little nuggets of wisdom. That scene I mentioned earlier really 246 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: stood out to me in my mind. Limitations was I 247 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: think the word your character use talking about the limitations 248 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: the world puts on you. And here you are fast 249 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: forward to this moment. So that must have been just 250 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: so liberating for you and such a cool thing to 251 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: do as a. 252 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: Nice when it circles back, Yeah that way, Yeah, you know, 253 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: and the Duffers also do that with you know, baby 254 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: Holly in season one, because you know how the demo 255 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: Gorgon comes for her at the end. If you remember 256 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: in season one when we're at Joyce's house and she 257 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: wanders off and the handstarts. 258 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: To reach through the wall to get Holly. 259 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: When she's little, and now we've seen in season five 260 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: is coming together those all these thoughts that get connected 261 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: in the end. 262 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned things that you kind of tell yourself 263 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: over the course of filming to inform your character that 264 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: we don't get to see, and that helps you get 265 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: to a place where you are having this epic showdown battle. 266 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: Is there something and I know it's probably very personal 267 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: what you create for your character over the years, but 268 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: is there something you created for her that you would 269 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: want to share today that maybe we don't know about. 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: I did this whole timeline of life. 271 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: She went to school, and I had her wanting to 272 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: go to law school, and then she got pregnant and 273 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: you know, put all of her dreams aside to raise 274 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: her family, and that she wanted to be a lawyer, 275 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: and she thought she was really good with you know, 276 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: arguing like she wanted to be a defense attorney or 277 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: something like that. That's sort of what I thought she 278 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: might do. Yeah, I think that something I've said at 279 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: the beginning when I Karen was, you know, extremely clueless 280 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: about what's going on in town. You know, she's never 281 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: part of the storyline or never really comments on all 282 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: of the major tragedies that are happening. That I decided 283 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: to have her drink so that kind of anesthetize herself, 284 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 3: or just like she was a functioning alcoholic, which kind 285 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 3: of led to the wine in season five. So as 286 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: an actor, you know, you try to give yourself things 287 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: even if no one else knows about it, just like, Okay, well, 288 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: how can I make this reel for myself? Or how 289 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: can I justify this for myself? Or how can I 290 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: make this fun for me too? Like this is my 291 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: little thing that I'm doing for myself. And I ended 292 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: up becoming a big part. 293 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: Of season five. 294 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: You didn't know how big of a part she would 295 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: be one day when you signed on, right like everything's 296 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: always kept in. 297 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: The dark, you know, the Duffers had said, oh, Karen 298 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: is gonna be, you know, play a big part and 299 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: have a pivotal role. And I didn't know what that 300 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: meant or how that changed along the way. But I 301 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: just loved the show so much that I was I 302 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: just loved being part of the show that even if 303 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: it didn't happen. I mean, I know some other actors 304 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: would not say that, but I really gravitate towards stories 305 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: and being part of, you know, wonderful stories. I did 306 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: this film Let Me In, that was based on that 307 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: movie Let the Right One In, and it was a 308 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: remake and they said, well, listen, it's a really good part. 309 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: You're like this drunk, alcoholic mom of the lead guy, 310 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: but your face is going to be obscured. 311 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: So basically it's like, do this role, do all the acting, 312 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: but we're really not going. 313 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: To see you, right, And he put me through this 314 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: pretty long audition process for it, I remember, but I 315 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: just loved, like, I want to be able to do 316 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: that and be part of this movie. Right, Maybe I 317 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: should have a bigger ego, I be more ambitious, but 318 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: I was just so proud to be part of that movie, 319 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: and as an actor, I was playing those scenes right, 320 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: and I did all the things. 321 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: I would do if I wasn't obscured. 322 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: So that's how I kind of go about choosing things 323 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: like being part of really good stories, whether it's like 324 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: a short film or a big movie or an indie film, 325 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: and it's just just creatively fulfilling for me. 326 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, your work speaks for itself, and that's probably 327 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: why you do resonate in such big ways with the audiences. 328 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: You focus on what matters, right, and you just let 329 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: the work unfold how it's going to unfold, and do 330 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: the job that you're here to do. Well. 331 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: You also can't control. You can really can control a 332 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: lot of things you can't in life. You can't control anything, right, 333 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: Let's just be honest. Yeah, so you think you can. 334 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: You think you're making all these choices in your career, right, 335 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: You think, oh, I want to you hope to have 336 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: a direction, right, you hoped you a plan for yourself 337 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: of what you'd like to do. But it's also you 338 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: know what's coming down the pipeline, right, and maybe what 339 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: you create and timing and where you are and so 340 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: many circumstances. So you'd like to think you're the architect 341 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: of your career. And sure, if you have many choices, 342 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: you can say, okay, well I picked one of these 343 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: three choices and this worked out for me. 344 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: But you also don't know how it's going to work. 345 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: Out too, right. 346 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: So before I got Stranger Things, I was on at 347 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: a very good role on a pilot that was going 348 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: to be big hit, right, and it was like a 349 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 3: pediatric oncologist. 350 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: She was like also like troubled with you know not 351 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: she was also drinking or something like Oh, this is 352 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: a great role, right, And I got replaced. 353 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: But even though I got replaced, I read about it 354 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: and I was like, did this really happen? And I 355 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: got replaced with a very hot swimsuit model and I 356 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: was I was I was like, oh. 357 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: My gosh, like how this is? This is? 358 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: You know, I was excited to be on this show 359 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: and this was such a good role, and it was 360 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: a recurring role, so it wasn't. 361 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: Like they had to really inform me. And I was 362 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: very upset. 363 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: But if I hadn't gotten replaced on that show, I 364 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been available for Stranger Things, which came along 365 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: a month later. So while I was very I was 366 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 3: like crying about this role, it's you know. 367 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: It worked out. 368 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you never know what's meant to be 369 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: for you. 370 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I almost a decade later, You're on 371 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: one of the hottest shows in the world. You know, 372 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: not just any show. I mean, the show means so 373 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: much to so many people, and there's a lot of 374 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: mixed emotions with the rest of the season coming out 375 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: because people are excited but they're not ready to say goodbye. 376 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Do you remember the final scene you shot and were 377 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: you just a mess? Like I don't think i'd be 378 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: able to function? 379 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I'm very nostalgic anyway, and I love 380 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: watching the kids grow up, and I know this was 381 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: a special show having been on other shows and been 382 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: acting as long as I have, so I know this 383 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: will never come along again, you know. And I was 384 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: in day one, scene one, take one back in twenty fifteen. 385 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: It was October of twenty fifteen. And then I was 386 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: in the last day, the last scene I think second 387 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: or third to last shot of the whole series. It 388 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: was very, very emotional. Our families were there, my husband 389 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: and daughter were there, and I had two lines that 390 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: I could barely get out. Seriously, I mean, I think 391 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: it's some of the worst acting I've ever done, very 392 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: simple lines, and I remember, you know, it's like an 393 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: outer body experience, like, Okay, this is the last time 394 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to speak on this show. 395 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: This is the end. We're all winding down, And like I. 396 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: Said, I'm very nostalgic, so I was also like trying 397 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: to also take in every bit of what was happening, 398 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: and yeah, it'll always be a profound experience in my life. 399 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 400 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 3: So yeah, when we had a party afterwards and they 401 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: let down all this confetti and music and balloons and yeah, 402 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: and it's interesting having the show come out now and 403 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 3: it's really heading toward the end with the finale, so 404 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: it's almost like it's still our little secret, but it's 405 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: getting out. 406 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Is it like a grief period all over again? Because 407 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: I imagine you kind of had to grieve a little 408 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: bit in whatever way you did then, especially if you're 409 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: a nostalgic person, because I'm the same way. So do 410 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: you do you go through that again? 411 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: It was it was sort of you know when it 412 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: ended and I, you know, packed up from Atlanta and 413 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: came back to New York, and they're sort of like, 414 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: oh who am I now? 415 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: Like what am I doing? 416 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 3: And you know, even if you start working again, and 417 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: then I was like, okay, you. 418 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: Know, it's kind of over and now it's looking forward. 419 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: And as it started to come out again, you start 420 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: kind of going back into it, but it's more fun 421 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: now because you're seeing the reaction of the fans and 422 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: so that's it's really exciting to see how the world 423 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 3: is is experiencing it. 424 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're ready. We're ready for the rest. So parts, 425 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: who's coming out? 426 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 3: Then? 427 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: The final episode's coming out? I know you can't say 428 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: basically anything, but what three words would you describe what's 429 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: coming out? 430 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, the trailer dropped today, so. 431 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 3: Unexpected epic and moving to the very end. 432 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: Will we potentially get another badass moment from you? 433 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Hmmm? I don't know. 434 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 3: Karen is in the hospital right as we last saw her. 435 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: She's she's in the hospital. 436 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, she's recovering. 437 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: Okay, uh huh. 438 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: She's recovering. What do you want me to say? 439 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Do you see all the theories online like that people 440 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: have because there are so many? Do you see there 441 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: are probably, I don't know, let's say a thousand different 442 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: theories people have. I have my own theory about you. Oh, 443 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: you want to know my theory. I think that your 444 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: character is potentially Henry's sister. 445 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: Oh do you see I've seen that theory. That's a 446 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: good theory because so the poster from season four. 447 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: Well, not just that, I think. I mean, he's gone 448 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: after both your daughters. Now, that's true, and I feel like, 449 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: based off flashbacks and high school things we've seen of 450 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: you guys back then, like you're probably on the same age. 451 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: So I just think, oh, yeah, that that could be 452 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: a possibility. And maybe somehow the name got erased and 453 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: the identity change. Who knows in that world how, but 454 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: I think it could be a very big possibility. 455 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: Do you know that? 456 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: Is it. 457 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: Pad pad right where they do fan fiction and they 458 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: do they take stories and then they make their own 459 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: story based on the lore. I think that would be 460 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: a good I'd love to see someone do that out there, 461 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: to like make the the Henry Creole sister story. 462 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: See what happens. 463 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: I'm sticking by it. We'll see, we will see. And 464 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: it's interesting because things in the Broadway play tie back 465 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: to them, to the serious I've seen the Broadway show. 466 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: It's fantastic, and there have been things where I've been like, oh, 467 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and not even these big moments in 468 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: the Broadway play. It just kind of like they sneak 469 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: things in and then you have to think about it, 470 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: like Henry in the cave, you know, they're those tie in. 471 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: And also going way back to World War Two. Yeah, 472 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: the dad, I mean that was so fascinating to me, 473 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: like how far back it went, and also seeing everybody 474 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: in high school and what. 475 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: They were like. Yeah, very very different. I mean not 476 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: all very different. 477 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: I think Joyce has got the similar you know, spark 478 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: and verve that she has now and my characters. She 479 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: she's a wild cheerleader. 480 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: I love that what happened to her. 481 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: It's a good's It is cool to see those those 482 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: glimpses from the past. Yeah, you know what I was wondering. 483 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: I was wondering if your character's child got taken originally 484 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: like Will did. Oh, yeah, how you think she possibly 485 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: would have reacted in that moment because she's not where 486 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: she is now, So how do you think she would 487 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: have handled that? 488 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: Well? 489 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 3: I think if I think she just she would have 490 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: acted like Joyce. I think that any like, if your 491 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: kid's taken, you're not going to sit back and wait 492 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: for other people to try to find your kid. Or 493 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: I think we just would have seen what we see 494 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: now in season five and season one. I do believe 495 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: that because I just don't think that that would be 496 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: okay with her. She would be fiercely looking for let's 497 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: say they stole Mike, you know, stole Mike, you know, 498 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: Mike Gut disappeared, or Nancy or well, baby Holly would 499 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: have been you know, that'd be very hard because she 500 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: was three when it started. 501 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think she just would. 502 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: Have been as fierce and as unrelenting as Joyce was 503 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: the beginning. 504 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: I love that moment with Joyce the season too, where 505 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: she stood in front to protect her kid from you know, 506 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Rechna and the demo Organs. And there's a lot of 507 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: powerful female moments. 508 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: There, really are you know, the moms don't back down. 509 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 3: Moms are not afraid. The moms are Yeah, I love that, 510 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 3: the Duffers, you know, see that in the in the 511 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: moms and the women and Nancy and everybody, you know, 512 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: Max e eighty, everybody. I mean, no one's afraid. Actually, 513 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: no one is afraid. None of the characters are afraid. Right, 514 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: this is a town full of really courageous people. 515 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you think about it. 516 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. 517 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: But I think that like shows, just I think what 518 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: speaks people love about the show is like, you know, 519 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: if you love people, you'll do anything for them right there, 520 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: your friends or your family, and you won't back down 521 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: and you'll band together. 522 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a true story of love. And I also 523 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: think the nostalgia is so comforting and people love that. 524 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: Even generations that dinner grow up in that time period 525 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: are interested in and want to explore it. And you know, 526 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: like you said, you're a nostalgic person, I'm the same way. 527 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Inside Out Too? Oh yeah, you 528 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: know the little granny that pops in like four times 529 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: in the movie and she's like, I'm nostalgia and like leaves, 530 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: that is me, Like that is deeply me on every level. 531 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: So I get you on that. I totally totally get 532 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: you up that. Yeah, is there something from your character 533 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: you had to bring home? 534 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: Well? 535 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 3: I did want to bring home the broken wine bottle. 536 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 3: And at the last day I was asking props. I said, hey, 537 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: can I bring home the prop? And they kept ignoring 538 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: me and saying. 539 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just just check in with the office. 540 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 3: In a couple of weeks, and I said, okay, well, 541 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: why can't I just take it now? And the Duffers 542 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: had taken the prop and framed it for me as 543 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: a as a rap gift. So they kind of read 544 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: my mind and made it quite beautiful. 545 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: Oh how nice is it? Yeah? 546 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: And that's what I took. 547 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: Well, now I'm looking at another bottle of wine right here. Yes, 548 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: this is your baby. You're a new company, You're a 549 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: new venture. Was this inspired by your character? 550 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because I'm Italian, you're Italian. And my 551 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: grandpa came over as an immigrant and he used to 552 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: make wine in our basement, and when I was growing up, 553 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: he would mix wine and seven up and we'd dip 554 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: some bread in it. So I grew up loving wine 555 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: from a really young age. And when I met my husband, 556 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: he was working at Mackensey, but he was working for 557 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: Gallo and he's a big wine lover, and it was 558 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 3: something we've kind of talked about. And then when the 559 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: whole wine thing happened with Karen, it just kind of 560 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: seemed like this has been brewing and this might be like. 561 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: The perfect time. 562 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: And my grandmother's name is Katavia, who I'm named after, 563 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: which means dear life and life imitating our imitating life, 564 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: and it's called Katavita Wines and our Chardenay sardenay' is 565 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: the first first wine we're launching, the Killer Shardenay. 566 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: We thought it would be a fun nod right before Christmas. 567 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: I love this. I can't wait to try this. 568 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: That's for you. 569 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm oh good because I was going to steal it. 570 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: It looks really good. So you'll have more coming out. 571 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you can get it at Caravita Wines. 572 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Dot does a demo Gorgon prefer red or white? 573 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: Well, Karen drinks white. 574 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 3: She drinks jarnay because she doesn't want to spill it 575 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 3: on her rug. I was very clear about that. And 576 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: you would think the demo would probably red because of 577 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: you know, with the blood. 578 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: But I think the demo would enjoy the Charnay. 579 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, very excited. 580 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 2: Somo might need a martini right. 581 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: Something, maybe a little stronger strong. Gorgan's a little busy. 582 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: How proud are you of this role? And I guess 583 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: when you look back collectively at everything you've done with 584 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: this role, what are you the most proud of? 585 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: I love doing what I do and I every day 586 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: when I'm on set, and. 587 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm no saint. 588 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: It's not like I have perfect days, you know, but 589 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: I I just feel so lucky to be an actor 590 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: still and do what I'm doing for so long, And 591 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: if I had to be proud of something is sort 592 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: of just how I'm just so grateful that I don't 593 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: take any of it for granted. 594 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: There is no moment. 595 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: If I get to set early before everyone, I just think, Wow, 596 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: I still get to do this. I still get to 597 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: be on a set and play, and this is my job. 598 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people don't have choices and what. 599 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 2: They do in a career. I mean, we're lucky if 600 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: we are. 601 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: Born into a circumstance where we get to really choose 602 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: what we want to do in life. You know, my 603 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: grandparents didn't. Both my parents really didn't do what they 604 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: wanted to do in life because they had to provide 605 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: for us or work certain jobs just to live right. 606 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: So it's not lost on me that I get to 607 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: do a really fun job that I love with a 608 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: lot of great people. So maybe just not losing sight 609 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 3: of how blessed I am to do this. I know 610 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: it sounds kind of corny, and but. 611 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: I just feel that way. No, I really truly feel 612 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: that way. 613 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it does sound corny. I think it's 614 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: very obvious to me from this conversation. You lead your 615 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: life with gratitude, and I think that it's something very 616 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: easy to lose sight of in the hamster race of 617 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: what we all do, no matter what industry you're in, 618 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: no matter what career. It's like, Okay, we're just getting 619 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: up going, getting up going, and to stop and reflect 620 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: and actually have those moments of, oh my god, how 621 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: cool that I get to do this. Well. 622 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people will say, oh, gosh, 623 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: you've worked like an eighteen hour day and aren't you tired. 624 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: I go, sure, I'm tired, but I'm not, you know, 625 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: not like a pediatric oncologist in a night shift, you know, 626 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 3: with children dying of cancer. I'm not working in the 627 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: coal mines, you know, Like I'm not putting my work 628 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: down at any way. Like, sure it's hard and it's 629 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: long hours, but there's also really hard work. Like my 630 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: dad was a mechanic and left for work at you know, 631 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 3: four in the morning to go from the Bronx to 632 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: Queens to work in a garage and all weather, you know, 633 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 3: on the road, Like that's hard work. 634 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? 635 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: And he never complained. I have never heard him complain 636 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: a day in his life until the end, so you know, 637 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: and I'm not saying listen, I have not like I 638 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: haven't complaining about things, not like human person. 639 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: You know. 640 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: I have my days where I like bitch about things. 641 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: You know, of course, like I'm human, but I also 642 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: like take a step back and go, yeah, I understand, Yeah, 643 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: I'm very blessed. 644 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good perspective to walk through life with, right, 645 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: it really is. I am very excited for this question. 646 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: It's the question I ask everyone at the end of 647 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: my show. And I'm excited because you're a very thoughtful person. 648 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: And the show is obviously called I've never said this before, 649 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: and it was born because I interview a lot of 650 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: people at red carpet premieres and junkets, which you know 651 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: all about, and you get two minutes with someone and 652 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: they're rushed, and they're very unnatural circumstances, and half the 653 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: time you guys feel weird. Half the time we feel weird. 654 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: It's just a very unnatural way to talk to somebody. 655 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: So that's how this was born. I bring people on 656 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: and have longer form and give you guys a chance 657 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: to say something, and there's no right or wrong answer. 658 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: It's whatever it means to you. It's whatever is on 659 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: your mind, or something you've wanted to say and never 660 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: had the chance, or anything. So what is one thing 661 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: you've never said before that you want to say tonight? 662 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: Gosh, well, I have this funny thing. But then I 663 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: was just thinking about when my dad passed away. So 664 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: I don't know which one did I tell the funny 665 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: thing about the bronx. 666 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued about the dad? Oh as a family man? 667 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. 668 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: So we were just talking about my dad who never 669 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 3: complained and said so just got me thinking that I've 670 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: never said this before, but when he was the only 671 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: time he complained was when he was dying. 672 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: He goes, dying is hard. 673 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: Mmm. 674 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: This made me think about that. 675 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, was that weird for you to hear 676 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: him complain after never hearing that? 677 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, because like he never complained about anything. 678 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh so I guess that was the only 679 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: time he complained. M Yeah, they didn't want to like 680 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: leave my mom. 681 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: And yeah yeah Italian parents. Yeah yeah. Yeah. 682 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: It's funny because I thought I really obsessed about this question, 683 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, what am I going to say. 684 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: What am I going to say? I don't even know 685 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: what to say. 686 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: And I had this funny story about stealing cheese doodles 687 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 3: from the deli when I was growing up, Like I've 688 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 3: never told that story before, and then it made me think, like, yeah. 689 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for sharing that that. I'm I'm I'm 690 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: someone who holds people very close who have passed in 691 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: my life. And I actually just did an episode last 692 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: week about grief during the holidays. Yeah, and I lost 693 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: someone very dear to me this year and it's hit 694 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: me very hard. So I think the fact that you're 695 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: here today talking about someone that means something to you 696 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: and keeping that memory alive is something that will resonate 697 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. And I thank you for that. 698 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially during the holidays. 699 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Especially during the holidays. So I feel you. I tremendously 700 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: feel you. Thank you for sharing this surprising. 701 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh I never cry. 702 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. I wish we had to give you somewhere 703 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: around here, But thank you seriously for opening up about that. 704 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: I know he's very proud of you. I know, I know, 705 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: I know who could. 706 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: But he was so funny because he would say, like, oh, don't. 707 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: Cry, don't be sad tough Italian huh. 708 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like, don't be sad when I die. 709 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: But yeah yeah yeah, it never leaves you right, and 710 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: there'll be good moments and bad moments. Yeah's all part 711 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: of it. 712 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: I say the thing about grief which is interesting. It 713 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 3: surprises you. Yeah, you know, it takes you. Buy It's 714 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 3: like sometimes someone will die and you don't really feel 715 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: it at the moment. 716 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: You're think, well, what's wrong with me? 717 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: I don't feel anything, or you feel angry or almost 718 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: you start laughing because it's an uncomfortable feeling, right, and 719 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: we laugh when we're uncomfortable, and then like you'll be somewhere. 720 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 3: Like I had a good friend who died in my twenties. 721 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 3: He was my brother's best friend. And I was really 722 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: angry about it because I was like, why him, Why 723 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: so young? 724 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: And I never cried. I never cried. 725 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 3: And a year later I was up at Fairway shopping 726 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: for cheese, and I was like looking at the cheese 727 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 3: and I thought of him, and I just started crying 728 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: in fair Away because I thought he'll never eat cheese again. 729 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: And I started bawling. And you know how firemen shopped 730 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: together to do like their big shop to cook together. 731 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 2: There were all these there was someone from a fire. 732 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 3: There were all these firemen shopping and they had like 733 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: a cart full of food and they saw me crying. 734 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: They're like, miss are you okay? What's wrong? And I'm 735 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: like bawling. I'm like I'm sorry. It was like a 736 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: scene out of a movie with like four firemen, yeah, 737 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: going like what's wrong with you? What's happened? Because and 738 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: then I couldn't even talk and I'm like. 739 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: It's the cheese. 740 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: Cheese. 741 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: He'll never eat cheese again. And my friend was like 742 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: you she's laughing because she's like, oh my gosh, this 743 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: is so embarrassing. 744 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed for you. And I was trying to explain 745 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 3: to them. But the other thing I found about Greek 746 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 3: when you do up is you give people permission to. 747 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: Also share a story about grieving. 748 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I remember when I stopped grieving, one of 749 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: the fire minutes said, you know, I lost somebody, and 750 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 3: then he told me his story and the cheese department 751 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 3: and sort of like this grief fest in the cheese 752 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 3: department at fair Way and you'all feel a little weird 753 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,479 Speaker 3: and awkward, but you know, it's one of these things 754 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 3: where it's just very human. 755 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: It is, it is, and this is why I love 756 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: the show, because when would you ever say that everyone 757 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: out of Oh, well, I don't know about that. 758 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: Seen it, I've heard it here, you got me? 759 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, no, honestly, thank you for sharing it. 760 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: I think it's it's these are the moments that fill 761 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: my soul and why I do what I do. I 762 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: don't care who artists are sleeping with, how much their 763 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: house costs. I don't care about any of that. I 764 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: care about the human and human stuff. 765 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 3: Some people respond to that, and that's why you're, you know, 766 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 3: so popular. And I think in like a world of 767 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: so much, where our attention is so short, there's so 768 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: much to try to take our attention, that people are 769 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: always looking for, you know, real human connection, and we 770 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: all seek that out. 771 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, well. 772 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: I hope the next time we meet will be drinking 773 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: some wine. 774 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I hope you enjoy it. To let me know. 775 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: I will let you know. I'm going to open this 776 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: baby tonight. Okay, so I don't usually drink on a 777 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: Monday night, but I am going to have some wine tonight. 778 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: Why not. It's it's the holidays. 779 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for hanging out. Congratulations to you on 780 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: all the successful change of things, the second chapter, the 781 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: final episode, they're all coming up and we look forward 782 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: to seeing whatever whatever is in sore for your character. 783 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: And if I'm right about you being Henry's sister, then 784 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: you owe me a drink. 785 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll owe you a drink. 786 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, deal until we meet again. Thank you 787 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: so much, Thank you having me. I've Never Said This 788 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario, is executive produced 789 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy, with 790 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is 791 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: part of the Elvis Duram podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. 792 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and 793 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time, 794 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Dederio