WEBVTT - Lust 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.560 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.440 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.840 These are our stories. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:32.320 Done done, Yay, that's messed up an SCVU podcast. We 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.040 are out of the time machine and I am Lisa 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.040 Traeger and I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.919 We're back. It's our first episode that we're no. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.080 This is our so this will be the second episode 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.360 coming out in twenty twenty five, but it's our first 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.360 time chatting in Fresh five Fresh Your. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:55.160 Day after January sixth, which every time I do see 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.560 a new photo or video, I'm like, wow, it's crazy. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:58.600 That wasn't a bigger deal. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.680 Wow, they really killed some cops, Like they really like 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.320 went nuts. They really were trying to murder the vice 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.360 president of the United States, And it is a blip 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.800 on our radar of life. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:10.800 It's wild. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.679 It's been a very concentrated effort to make us not 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.680 remember it. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:17.279 It's crazy. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:24.520 Oppostead of nine to eleven, They're like, never remember, honey. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.880 I remember. It's great. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.240 That's not how I wanted to start our first you know, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.039 obviously No Five getting you know, we have. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.080 To have a nine to eleven reference as soon as 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.360 possible on this podcast. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:35.480 That is what we do. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.160 Everything is our violation in time and space to where 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.000 nine to eleven is and happened. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.360 I do need to start up just selfishly. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.600 I will say my Netflix comedy special Night It comes out. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.080 January twenty eighth. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.080 I need you to get on your Netflix now and 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.120 there's a feature if you look me out you could 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.000 do remind me. So just you remind me and then 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.520 it'll pop up and you have to watch. And not 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.280 to be desperate, but I do want to be in 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.080 the top ten, and it is all up. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 To you, and I feel like the more of you 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.079 that you're family and me and then it'll that'll help 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.079 it get into the top ten. And just do it now, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.160 because I never remember the ship that comes out on 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.680 Netflix until it's like two days later. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.600 Let's get on at the day of everybody come on. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.839 So yeah, I'll be out here, I'll be posting, I'll 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.040 be desperate, and then I hope you like it. But 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.320 I did want to say that up to I can't 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:27.400 wait to see it. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.920 That little night Owl. You can even you should watch it. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.840 But honestly, Like even if you put it on and 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.760 then leave the house, that's. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.040 Fine too, or watch it and then just let it 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.519 replay after. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.480 You're on your mute. Yeah, put it in the background 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:42.800 on MU. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.800 Let's just get some view listens, come views, Yeah, listens. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:51.040 I'm like so in podcasting, Yeah, I mean, we gotta. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.880 We need the TMU hive to rise up, guys. We 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.000 need to get this fucking thing in the top ten. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.679 Let's go Hi murder girl. Oh my god. 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.640 Yeah, god. We have so much. I mean, it's it is, 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:03.240 we have so much. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.840 I think we just have to go back and forth, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.720 like a kind of I did on Instagram mute ADHD 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:13.560 and autism. I can't, I can't anymore. It cannot it 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.680 cannot keep I don't want it. I don't want that. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.960 Leave me alone so hard. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.600 I put it on my not interested words. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.200 Jared's like, does everybody have ADHD? 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:25.480 Now? 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.560 I'm like, yeah, it does feel like that. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.000 Like one of the poems said, you don't understand how 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.680 hard Halloween is for ADHD, and someone wrote, wow, you 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:38.240 guys can't do anything. It's like what, Oh, it's so 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.680 hard to be ADHD and do a forty hour work week. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.760 You think people without ADHD love working forty hours a week, 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.840 Get over yourselves. Get over yourselves. I'm done with your 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.400 memes and your virtual diagnosing. I don't want it. Let 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.840 me live my fucking life. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.840 Nuts. It's nuts, it is nuts. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.000 Over it's I will say, people definitely struggle with these things, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.680 but they social media of it all is insanely. Let 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.200 me struggle in silence. Get it out of my head. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.560 If I have it, I I'd rather not know about it. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.640 Leave me alone. I don't need my phone telling me. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.320 Do you feel targeted? You feel like it's coming at you? 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.840 I because I see it all the time, like ten 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.320 signs that you have ADHD or whatever, and I'm like. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:19.840 It'll be like this, is it hard to get up 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.839 in the morning, and it's like, yeah, yeah, that's not ADHD. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.200 It's fucking twenty five degrees, it's cold, and we're nearing fascism. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.880 Let me rest I don't have a mental disorder because 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.200 of it. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.640 Do you have trouble completing boring tasks? Yeah, everybody fucking does. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.279 Unless you're a socio. Unless you know, I don't know 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.000 anyone who are. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.400 You're a work, You're a work bitch, you're you know, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.960 you're a yeah, corporate baddie. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.159 I don't know, but. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.240 Listen, and I say this like, I don't want anyone 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.599 who has ADHD to be like, you guys are being insensitive. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.280 I take I'm on ADHD medication, so I but. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.520 I should be offended too. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.680 If you have ADHD, you should be hissed at these 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.400 people well trivializing your life because or. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.960 Just turning it into like the disorder dajure, Like it 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.839 just doesn't seem like it's that. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.919 I don't know, everybody's got a different experience. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.479 I just can't have it on my Instagram NonStop and 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.960 I put yeah, it's like they really needed back. Oh 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:22.640 my god. So I got the flu over Christmas. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.000 I had the flu like the fort the four days 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.599 leading up to Christmas. I took the fucking COVID flu 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.680 combo test and I had a big positive. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.120 Line for flu A. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.400 I don't know the fucking difference, but the sad thing 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.640 is you can be positive for all flu A, flub 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:37.320 and COVID. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.919 You can get a triple strike on that test. But 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.599 I had the flu. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.680 Luckily, my in laws were in town so they could 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.720 like help Jared with the kids or whatever. But I 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.480 it was like that kind of thing where I was sick. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.920 And so I was watching the final season of Dairy Girls, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.760 which is like the best fucking show. I love it 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.359 so much, but it was like, you can't even focus 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.039 on TV. You just feel so shitty. So I was 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.800 in internet whole that I can't even describe. Like I 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.640 was on Instagram watching videos that were multiple parts where 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.080 I'm going back into people's accounts and having to go 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.080 find the second part. Like I was this one girl, 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.040 I don't even follow these people, and I was just 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.039 so deep in my free you paid my explore that 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.200 it was. It was scary. I don't know that I've 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.680 fully gotten out of it yet either. Now I'm just 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.719 so used to scrolling the videos of people that I 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:25.239 don't watch. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.040 No, it's sick. The phone is sick. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.640 Except I mean, obviously, well we can talk about Luigi. Obviously, 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.200 that's but we have to keep following. We cannot let 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.520 it be an internet trend. They they can kill him, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.880 They've killed Epste, They've killed other people, Like you cannot 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.360 let this man be charged with terrorism, Like we cannot 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.800 stop paying attention and watching and showing him that we 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.839 care because the government is up to no fucking good, 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.920 especially with what happened on New Year's Day with Vegas 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.240 and New Orleans and the news and investigations on that 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.800 seems shade. What they're trying to do to him is 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.440 not whatever you know, innocent toil, proven guilty. This lawyer, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.600 bitch though we're about to watch a master like I'm 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.680 excited to watch this bitch. She is a former Manhattan 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.520 District attorney. She is like the Fred Thompson if we're 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.120 insp you are, yes, in charge of Cabot and Novak, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.520 and now she's on the defense. And I'm I'm and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.160 I think you know everyone has these cases. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.240 You know, you've lived in New York. You're always like, oh, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.560 I remember that I followed this. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.520 I followed that I really haven't had something that's like 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.200 transfixed me in this way. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.880 And yet if he wasn't hot, would we not care 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:39.560 as much? Sure? 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.760 But that we need hot people, Gloria Glorias Seinheim was hot, right, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.760 we need hot people, and then we're from sometime to 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.640 lead us and he had everything to lose, but he 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.480 is also innocent, and I think they're gonna prove it 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:50.120 in court. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:51.640 You think he didn't do it. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.040 I think the evidence is fucked. I think the cops 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.960 are lying. But also like I do have the FBI 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.679 report open and I'm gonna read it. I just watched 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.480 someone talk about but you don't know what's real or not, 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.480 you know, Yeah, but it's like the timing from like 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.720 the hostel to when you show up. Also like the 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.920 inconsistencies of like what was left in the park, what 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.000 wasn't I think there's I think they also fucked with 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.320 like the ability for a fair trial with the mayor 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.880 and the purple and the purple like yeah, but like 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.120 so hot, like can you even imagine, Like I am 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.360 just and still I don't think looks like the guy 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.199 from the original photos exactly. That's what I mean, Kara, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.080 Like I I think there's more to this, And I 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.360 think if Casey Anthony gets to kill her baby, we 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.240 can really see what happens at this trial because it's 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.800 up to the prosecution and like, I just don't know. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.720 We'll see what the evidence is and we'll see what 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.520 I'm folds. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.680 Have you seen the memes that are saying that his 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.360 lawyer looks like Heather Thompson from Real Housewives of New York. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.680 They're like, you're on her Halla. We need to stop 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.120 and give my. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.640 Client a fair Actually I gave it a few friends 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.520 this year Happy Halla Days cards with Heather Thompson. So 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.680 she's been I mean, the bitch needs to talk about 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.840 p Diddy. All she did was brag about working for 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.600 Popcast and the fact that she is this fucking silent 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.720 makes me think not good things, Like, honestly, bitch say something, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.240 but whatever, shady I don't know, but she went on folds. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:22.800 I'm excited. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.760 I mean, the fact that they were matching in court, like, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.160 there's just like a lot to it. He's I'm interested. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.240 I'm interested. But we have court dates. There's like Federal 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.640 Pennsylvania back in New York, so it's like January eighteenth, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.680 I think is a date February twenty something. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:46.320 There's a couple of dates, so we'll follow along. You're 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.079 you're for like fervor for this? 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.800 Uh court case is reminding me of this movie I 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.560 watched over the break casey. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.080 I don't know if you've seen it. It's called Red Rooms. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.000 It's a French it's a French Canadian so it's in Montreal. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.200 All okay, but it's like the reason I heard about 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.840 it was Katya was talking about it on her podcast, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.640 and it's like it's a horror movie that is not 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.880 bloody at all, like there is like no, it's my 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.160 exact kind of horror movie, not gory, but like terrifying. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.360 And it's about this like girl who's like a model 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.480 and a poker shark and she's obsessed with this serial 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.840 killer and she goes to his trial every day. And 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.280 I won't say anything else about what happens in the movie, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:33.560 but it's like the movie's about like like people's obsession 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.520 with true crime and like you know, all this stuff, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.720 and I just thought it was like relevant to our listeners. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.400 We rented it on Amazon. I think I don't think 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.360 it's available for streaming anywhere. And it is subtitles. It's 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.840 mostly in French, but modern like it came out in 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:47.800 like twenty twenty two. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.000 I think I'm looking at it. I'm excited. I'm excited. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.440 This looks fucking good. And that's the thing. I do 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.440 want to go to the trial. I'm not in town 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.160 for a lot of them, but I'm gonna end up going. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.480 Yeah, it's gonna be a whole thing. I mean, it 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.520 was also weird in this movie. It's also crazy in 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:12.120 this movie to see how their trials work. Like the courtroom, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.559 it could not be more opposite than like an SVU courtroom. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.680 It's like bright white, modern fluorescent lights, and people come 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.920 and like sleep on the street at five am to 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:22.559 be able to be. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:23.760 The people sitting in the courtroom. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.760 So that's because they I don't want to sleep on 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.480 the street and I need someone to come with me. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.400 We'll see what happens. But I bet you there'll be 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.880 people that want to go with you. For sure, we'll 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.120 see what happens. But well, on a more positive note, yeah, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.600 get positive. I did take my children. I did force 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:43.840 my children to go see Wicked. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.120 The break got really long, and I was like, we 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.120 got to go do something that kills three hours? 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.760 Do you guys want to go see Wicked? And they're 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.480 both like, and I was like, we're going. So I 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.680 did take that and how to I mean, it's a 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:57.480 slow start. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.400 Rosie liked it, but about I would say, at the 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.559 hour forty five marks, she was like, can we go? 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.840 Like it was just long for her and then Oscar 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.920 was wrapped the whole time loved it. Did fall asleep 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.360 in my arms for about twenty minutes. But besides the 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:18.240 twenty minute nap, he was all in paying attention and 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.120 like fully watching it, which I was shocked. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.199 But like Rosie lost interest, but then at the end 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.960 for defying gravity was she like, yeah, I'm back, I'm back. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:27.480 He was back. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.520 Like every time she was losing interests, I go wait, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.920 there's a really good number coming up, and she'd be like, okay, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.640 you know, like I think the I'm not that girl. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.000 That's not really Rosie's wheelhouse, like about a love triangle 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.960 and whatever, you know. But but like then I go, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.840 hold on, there's about to be a lion cub and 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.520 she's like, okay, you know, like she was, she was 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.839 focused in on some of that stuff and she liked it. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:50.920 I mean she didn't, but like, I don't. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.000 Know if I have like a full little like wicked 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:55.320 stand on my hands now. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.880 But they they watched, they watched. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.959 Oh yeah, go ahead, No, No, all I was gonna 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.360 do is another was more movie reviews, is that my 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.280 son saw Mufasa with his grandmother, and my and Rosie 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.520 saw Sonic three, And I've heard from both. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.360 Nicole Byer and Rosie that Sonic three is awesome, so 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.920 you guys should go see it. Wait at the end 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.400 of my movie corner, what were the what were the 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.120 hit gifts? I guess I would say, like what did 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.080 the child? Yeah, like what did the children? 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:25.480 Like? What the gifts? 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.320 Okay, so Rosie, you know they got the Amazon catalog. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:30.720 They circled the ten thousand things. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.520 Jared's mom picked this random thing, which is this fucking 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.559 bunny that comes in like a magic hat and when 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.360 you take it out, confetti explodes all over your fucking house, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.559 which is annoying. Then it has a magic wand and 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.240 when you tap it on the nose, it says like 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.880 abracadabra and like all this like cute magic shit. She's obsessed. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.600 They won't stop fighting over it. We have to put 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.559 it away, like it's crazy. My mom got her a 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.839 stuffed animal. Fox was the first thing she opened. It's 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.560 it's tiny, It's like the size of the palm of 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.400 your hand. She's obsessed. I got them Yodo players. That 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:01.160 was the big gift. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.960 I got them, which are like these players that play 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:03.920 cards of stories. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.600 But you can also listen to podcasts. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.840 You can also make your own cards, so I'm gonna 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.360 have Jared like tell them this long story that they've 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.240 been telling on a card so that they have it. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.560 And Rosie just like got in her bed and like 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.480 listened to podcasts for like an hour by herself. I 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.400 was like, Oh, this is gonna be a podcast girl. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.920 Oscar couldn't care less. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:21.880 But. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.240 I'm glad I got him one because he's gonna want 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.080 it like later. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.320 And when we're like on trips and she has hers, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.280 Rosie actually stopped and opened shit and played with it. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:36.240 Oscar was like that wild eyed, crack addicted present opening 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.840 like psychosis that kids get. Like he would just open 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.800 one thing and go, oh my gosh, wow, and then 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.520 go is this for me? And then open the next 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.000 day Like he was so crazy. But my sister got 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.360 him a bunch of Unicorn Academy stuff, which is the 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.120 show he likes. I got him a Unicorn T shirt 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.880 that he loves. He got they got guests who with animals, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.560 They got Mario and Luigi Checker set like they got 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.840 They got so much shit. It was like really crazy, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.320 Like we always look at the tree and we're like, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.200 this is because I forgot that. Like besides us, his grandparents, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.720 their grandparents get them stuff, like my mom sent a 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.160 box of shit. My sisters sent stuff. It's like they 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.560 got so much crap. But anyway, they had a good Christmas. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:16.720 They got they got good stuff. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.880 Did you watch did you guys watch Home Alone? I 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.960 mean we watched Home Alone so many times. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.360 Over Break and number two, like we're watching Escape from 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.720 New York, we saw it a million times. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.680 They also watched they had. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.520 My friend Valentina has these two sons that are They 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:32.920 lived down the street from us, and they came over. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.960 We've been doing movie nights in their bedroom so that 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.440 she and I can just drink wine in the living 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.640 room and it's the best. They come out a lot 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.920 just to ask us questions. We put on the Mask. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.640 Jim Carrey's The Mask. Nobody walked out. Nobody came out 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.040 for the entire time. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.440 Wow, entire time. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.920 And that movie has, like I think some scary parts 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:56.040 they for like it's PG thirteen but like from ninety 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.000 two or something. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.480 Yeah, the Mask, big hit. Yeah. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.000 I feel like the Mask for Cameron Diaz is like 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.920 Wolf of Wall Street from Margot Robbie. You know, it's like, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.760 oh yeah, let's let's go career. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.600 Yeah, introducing the hottest woman you've ever seen? 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.440 Well speaking of Okay, So I watched Ready or Not, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.360 which is like comedy more fun yea, yeah yeah, and 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.120 it's the girl that I liked from Nine Perfect Strangers 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.240 Tomorrow weaving. She looks like Margot Robbie but is like 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.280 funny and awkward and silly, like no one is doing 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.560 it like this bitch. I am obsessed with her, and 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.760 I watched it twice in one week, Like, I like, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.120 loved this movie so much. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.120 Oh she's so pretty, yes, but. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.120 Her characters like the way she moves her face like 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.120 no one is doing it like her. Oh oh she's 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.840 it's special. But the movie was so fun. But listen, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.440 so my TV broke, Roku sent another one. I got 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.000 in the handyman. The handyman came, like you know I had. 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.160 We had to move the hanging thing. Then we take 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.360 the TV out of the box, fully cracked, fully punched, 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.920 cracked down the middle like fully broken again. I'm like, motherfuck. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.000 But they sent a third one and it's hanging and 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.639 it's here. But I've just been so laptop that, like 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:07.760 I really did miss the. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.879 TV, like overbreak when I really could use my TV. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.240 Yeah for like a cozy little moment. Yeah, but you know, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.720 I always love a little drama. And I saw a Nasfaratu. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.560 Oh what do you think one of the top ten 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.280 worst movies I've ever seen in my life? 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.200 I hated it. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.960 Wait, casey, I haven't. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.600 I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it. I 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.800 can't chime in. I'm shocked to hear this, though. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.200 To be fair, I think I just hate Dracula because 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.880 I love Hotel Transylvania, Like that's what it is. Weird, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.639 but like, and I like the idea of vampires, like 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.679 I do. Think it's hot in some sort of way. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.439 But so then I bought Bram Stoker's Dracula at home 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.040 because I'm like, Okay, I hated that, but I feel 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.680 like I like Dracula. I hated I hated it this too. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.639 I go, why am I I'm like, I think I 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.400 just hate this. So then I went on Dracula Dead 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.159 and loving it, which is like a movie I liked 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.880 as a kid, and I was like, Nope, hate this too. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.080 Hate Dracula, like that's what I've learned. Like this was 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:09.159 the name of a vampire. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.680 Interview with a vampire. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.359 Love that, but that's not the classic story of that 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.679 Kula story. It's different, it's fun. This story is like 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.679 a guy needs to make a real estate deal, so 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:22.720 he goes to Dracula's house what what and his wife 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.439 knows and that's the story. So the wife is like, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.560 she's she has a weird cosmic relationship with this Dracula. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.600 She knows something bad's gonna happen. And he's like, I 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.679 have to make this real estate deal. This guy is 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.840 sucking on his like chat like ruining his life. It's 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.840 vampire stuff. But he's like, I have to sell this property. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.840 Like I don't get it. But then once forty five 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.639 minutes in, I was like, okay, I can, but I 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.919 was shaking my leg I was like holding my face 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:50.800 like I was just like. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.439 Get me out of here. Oh my gosh. I don't know. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.000 Jared saw it and he was kind of like it 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.640 was fine, but he also said it was too long. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.720 I like my rats of it all, Like I like 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.240 the pubonic place, like once he comes to town and 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.560 there's like some real action, I like, but I just 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.080 and it's all just moments of drama and mood. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.080 Without a I don't know. I can't wait for Casey 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:16.480 to see it. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.800 I just was like, okay, I was crawling out of 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.480 my skin. Yeah, everybody was like fucking talking about it, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.560 and I'm like, I'm never gonna see it, but you know, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.560 everyone was talking about it, so I was assuming it 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:29.960 was like this masterpiece. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:31.920 But and the guy is scary. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.200 He is scary looking, like I think it's a star's 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.840 guard who's always you know, Oh my god, there's like 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:42.760 a new dress, like I cannot I cannot believe any scars. Well, Casey, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.359 I hope you know you probably like no Sperratu and 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.320 bram Stokers, so you're too. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.159 I have a big I love bram Stoker's Dracula. I 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.160 love nos Faratu, so I really gonna love it. I'm 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:54.280 probably gonna love it. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:54.800 Yeah. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.679 I saw there was a sign up on your boulevard 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.560 in Highland Park for a nose for to look alike 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.440 contest recently, and I was like, Timothy Shallamy, you've gone 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.800 too far, Like we've gone too far on the lookalike contests. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:15.920 But I don't know, but yeah, yeah, uh oh. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.320 But they did speak Russian at one point, and so like, oh, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.439 I'm really excited. I would like to touch on something. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.280 So have you heard of the Sunny Angels? There are 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.880 those like naked little babies sketch and then you've told 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.160 me about them a little bit. So I you know, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.960 I frequent this toy store and I happened to be 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.080 there when they had like the Christmas Dinner collection and 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.160 the whole fun of the game. You know, you don't 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.040 know which one you're gonna get. There's like eight options. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.760 It's like one of those kinds of toys. They're like 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.120 one of eight and you try to collect them all 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:47.919 and they all have different heads and they're all different 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.119 and I go, oh my god, Christmas with my friends, 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.560 I'm gonna buy I'm gonna buy four for Christmas, Like 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.359 this will be perfect. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.400 Everyone had a different one. They're so cute. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.000 I didn't realize they have a cock and balls, they 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:00.840 have a they have a little dick. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.800 Hold on, how do I get the dick? Look? Do 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.120 you see it? Wait? What is happening? Why are they 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:08.360 not smoothed down there? 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.720 So no one was that happy, and I go, you guys, Sonny, like, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.040 excuse me. These have been sold out for months. I 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.600 was there the day it came out. I happen to 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.000 get you these collects, and they go, We're just really 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.600 uncomfortable that they all have a dick and balls? 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:25.080 What the fuck? 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.359 And they're pantsless, their pants tand to remove their pants 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.359 to find the dick and balls and like our butt 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.520 is fine, like their butt is fine, like whenever a 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.120 kid butt is fine. But why dick and balls? Are 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.480 they all? Are they? I think they all have this? 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.439 So now it's like disgusting. So now I have the like, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:45.920 but look at it. Look at it from the dick 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:50.040 up like the dick up, it's adorable. It's dressed like 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.919 a crocodile with like a party had on fork and 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.320 super Kid ready to eat dinner for the Christmas dinner collection. 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.960 This is like quite this little boy did not wear 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.199 pants to the table and his dick is out and 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:04.600 we just can't be teaching kids at that. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.400 But how is that the collector toy? I just don't 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.359 understand how that's the number. A while and then what's 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.080 cool now? Or I don't know if it's cool. People 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.480 that are into it have a tote bag and the 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.360 tote bag has like a plastic sheath on it with 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.200 and they're all cut out and you can put them 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.560 you can display all your sunny Angels, so you can 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.760 have like twelve of them in this like plastic side 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.840 thing of this tote bag, and you're just like going 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.679 around town with a bunch of little baby dick and bolls. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.560 Like is so fucked up. It's so fucked up. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.359 So I was really like disappointed, but also like I 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.720 can't believe I'm that like lack perception like that I 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.720 didn't notice this was going to be such a problem. 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.320 You know that this was disgusting? Yeah, I mean, did 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:48.359 they I'm wondering. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.360 I'm now trying to think back to that do leap 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.879 a sketch on SNL, Like did they address it like 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:54.919 they had a wall of those sunny angel dolls in 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:55.480 the sketch? 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:56.040 Yeah? 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.400 I have got to go back. I gotta go back, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.240 and look, I do have to talk about a situation. 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.520 There's more, but you'll know why this is a huge deal. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:12.560 But I for Christmas, my friend got me a Mister 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:13.760 Potato Head cookie jar. 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:19.080 Okay wait, I saw the photo of. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.439 That and was like, is that the same one that 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.560 you were telling me to get for the party? Yes, 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.720 Because I was telling her, I go, oh my god, 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.359 I'm on this site, there're soke and she goes, oh, 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.280 I love the Timona and poomba and I go, that's crazy. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.120 That's what I looked at. But it's too big, blah 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:34.560 blah blah. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.719 But I was like we were because then I got 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:41.120 someone in my Christmas group a Pelican cookie jar, and 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.639 so we just it was a it was a heavy ceramics. 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.159 I love it because then because then the other our 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.639 other friend, I got her a vase that was a 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.840 ceramic like buttoned down collared shirt, and then our other 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.960 friend got her a ceramic pair of pants with cats 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.639 coming out of it. So it's like she got a 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.800 sur I'm full outfit. And then we each got cookie jars. 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.639 So I was showing someone at the cellar and it 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.360 was Lenny Marcus and he goes, that's like a crazy 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.680 friend group. He's like, you all just got each other ceramics, 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:17.280 Like what the fuck? But Kara and I just were 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.840 talking about it about these cookie jars. She was going 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.359 to this party, but I had just mentioned I'm like, 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.320 can you believe this potato had cookie jar? 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:28.280 And then I could. 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.119 Not believe when I opened the box, like I really 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.600 was surprised, so happy, I had a photo of it 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.879 on my desktop, Like I was like these photos. 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:40.080 I could not believe it. 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.679 But the thing is, it's kind of like when you 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.399 buy your kids stuff and they like the box. I 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.879 got all these like nice gifts, but my friend and 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.960 I guess it's like two dollars. But remember when Samantha 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.120 has a crush on the priest and she brings them 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.120 cans of peas and she goes. 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.160 Lists sir, they're the best. 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.880 So I got a can of l Surpee and I 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.480 lost my mind and they were like I truly bought 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.240 them at the corner Sturf for a dollar ninety eight, 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.120 and I go, I thought they were ten dollars. Cansas peace, 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:12.720 you know. But I got this cannonvala syrpiece with a 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.080 bow on it, and like, I love it. 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:15.879 I love it. 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.520 That's great. I mean, that's somebody who knows you. Yeah, 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:20.960 somebody who knows you. And then we just kept going, 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:25.399 they're the best. Oh my god, thirty Casey's had to 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.360 literally reinvent a new flag that says how long we've 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:28.680 been talking. 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.080 Okay, but I have one more fucking story. I'm sorry, 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.159 I'm sorry. Okay, So I'm killing time. So I had 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.400 a great Christmas time. New York is like desolate, everyone leaves. 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.080 It was just like I loved kind of walking the streets, 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.600 and then I love performing comedy at this time of 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.800 year here. So I was doing five to eight spots 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.959 a night. I was like a smike of God, I 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.680 was sleeping. I was like staying out till three or 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.640 four doing spots, and then like waking up at one 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:57.080 or two. Like it really was kind of a heavenly 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.399 time with some soul cycles sprinkled in. But I had 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.440 I had an hour and I had two hours to kill, 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.400 so I go, I'm going to go to the Chelsea 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.520 Cafe and the Hotel Chelsea, sit at the bar, kill 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.600 some time. So then after a while though, I get 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.199 a text, I get a call from a friend and 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.560 he's like, I have whatever. Two friends were going to 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.600 come meet me, so I go great, and then a 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.360 couple comes and they were going to take the two 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.720 chairs next to me. Then there's a third chair with 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.480 a coat and two men, and I already had my 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.680 eye on them because those two men asked a woman 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.000 who was sitting at the bar enjoying herself, are you 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.720 traveling alone? 0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.040 And I thought that was creepy. 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.480 So I clocked them and then she checked she she 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:36.920 uh paid her bill and left and I bet it's 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:37.320 because of them. 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:37.679 Whatever. 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.000 So this couple wants to take the chair and I go, oh, hey, 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.800 I actually do have a friend coming. Would you mind 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.800 seeing if like you can take those two? And I 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.800 get this one, and so they ask this guy and 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.080 he goes, no, my jacket's there, and so they go, 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.080 oh yeah, but like she's just trying to have a friend, 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.400 like do you mind moving it? And then the guy goes, no, 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.400 I have a big jacket, and granted there's hooks under 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.280 the bar. They go there's and then the guy of 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.920 the couple, realizing, he goes, oh, are you fucking being serious? 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.359 Dude, I thought this was a bit. He gets worked. 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.440 I mean this, they're piss and I'm like, I am 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.359 so sorry, guys. I didn't mean to like we can stand, 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.280 We'll get a table, like I am so sorry, and 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.600 he was like no, this is bullsh Like this couple 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.639 flips out. They go get a table. I'm trying to 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.639 buy him a drink and they're like we're taking care 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.359 of them, like you don't have to worry. So then 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.480 it happens again where someone is like hey, and he goes, 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.160 my jacket's on this chair and it is staying here. 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.800 And then finally a manager came and we're like, we 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:32.600 will hang up your coat, sir, and he goes, well, 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.280 that wasn't an option, and it's like, oh it was. 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.320 We said, there's hooks underneath. I am a giant park bar. Yeah, 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.080 these two guys and like would not move his coat. 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.560 It was crazy, wouldn't put it on the back of 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:46.959 his own chair. Well it was a basketball, there's I mean, 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.800 it's like a nice yeah, Oh my god. People are 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.920 just And I was I think I know who jacket 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.840 guy voted for his own saying I think I know. 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.879 But and the thing is, I was sitting there alone 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.800 for a really long time, like the fact that a 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.480 friend friends was coming was last minute, Like I wasn't right. 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.520 I would have planned it sooner, like I would, you know, 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.440 but just really crazy, so crazy. 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.359 When I was in college, I used to put my 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:15.800 you know, when I was in college, I had a 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:17.800 Kate's Bade bag because I worked at a kid's clothing 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.040 store and I carried a a Kate's Bade diaper bag 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:21.440 as my like school bag. 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.200 It was like it was c and like I would 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:24.760 put it on the. 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.720 Chair and people would always be like, oh, does Kate 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.080 need to see and I always be like no, no, no, no, 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:29.879 put it on the girl like I would always move it. 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.840 But I guess there's some people that feel that their 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.240 shit needs its own seat. 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.120 That's so insane. Please don't be that person. In twenty 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.920 twenty five, everybody, and we're starting. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.240 But I also want to say, we did take three 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.600 weeks off of recording, and you know what, I watched 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.200 the whole new season of SVU. I'm fully caught up. 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.640 Loved it, and I see amazing, amazing programming. I don't 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.160 know why I ever did this. I do this every year. 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.440 I don't know. I don't know. Then I can't get 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.000 up like I loved it. 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.680 But then I've just been like watching SVU without think, 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.680 like it was just old times, Like I was just 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:06.440 kind of like four times, yeah, before times, just like 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:08.680 putting on some heinous crimes. 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:09.040 Baby. 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.400 I've been liking the new season as well. I got 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.000 caught up and I'm down. 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:14.600 I'm in now. 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.800 I gotta I gotta catch up on OC. You know, 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.520 I'm a season behind on that ship. But yeah, we 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:21.800 can start for real. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.640 And Casey wanted all of you to know he has 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.280 no updates for you. He doesn't care to update you 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.080 on his Chris no updates. 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.640 I'm just don't think people want to know what They 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.280 don't care what's going on in my life. 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.560 How was Patience's first Christmas? Though? 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.080 Oh it was great. She had a wonderful time. You know, 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.240 all the toys we bought her, she always liked some 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.280 strange like accessory that came with it, Like right, the 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.240 wrapping paper are like this little hammer that came with 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.480 this larger toy. She likes the hammer more so. Yeah, no, 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.440 but she loves she had. She had a wonderful time. 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.280 My kids when they were your kid's age, their favorite 0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:01.280 toy was DVD screeners, but and bottle with rocks in it. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:02.960 You know, anything that you can. 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.840 Get, anything that's no money, that uh is an accessory 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:10.520 of something you paid for. All right, but let's get 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.760 started with today's episode. 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:18.400 It's a good one, all right. 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:24.920 We are doing the episode Lust today, season four, episode four, 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.040 taking it back to the fall of two thousand and two, 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.160 Like I forget that it's a thing, Like I had 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.760 no memory of this episode the moment I saw him 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:39.880 and like the thumbnail obviously, but I still there's so much. 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:40.760 It's just so good. 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.000 I would say it's one of the best episodes that 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:44.200 I've forgot exists. 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.440 Yeah, Like when I read the synopsis of it, I 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.280 was like, have I seen this one? And then as 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.719 soon as you see the main guy and then you 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:57.040 when I hear the name Dartan or whatever like the aliases, 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.320 I'm like, oh, it's this one. It's this one, like 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.120 that's always like where I remember this. 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.040 They had me going the whole time, like I was 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.520 at the seat of my pants. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:13.320 Well, it opens on, honestly, just a gorgeous morning in 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.480 Central Park, like it's beautiful. Two guys are arguing about 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.200 the dog that obedient schools didn't work. I'm not sure 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.160 what the relationship is. I think they were a couple, 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.720 but it's like not very obvious. And their dog's name 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.040 is Radio. And the guy who thinks that the dog 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.240 sucks is Matt Cervito, who we actually he's been all 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:32.920 over the Dick universe and he was just in the 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.520 episode Parasites that we covered recently, and he was in 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.800 like Billions and I realized he was also in Your 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.280 Pretty Faces Going to Hell with Friend of the Pod 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.680 Henry Zebrowski, and he played Satan, pretty big role. He 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.880 was in many episodes as Satan, so big, a big 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:49.520 get for him. 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.680 Yeah he was. Yeah, apparently he was in a silk top. 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:53.880 You know, it's amazing. 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:54.120 Yeah. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:32:01.360 Yeah, So he is Doug and his pal and I gasped. 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:05.400 When I saw him. I gasped, like that he is 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:05.760 a thing. 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.560 Yeah, and he's dug here and here he's just dug 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.440 and like, we're not gonna see him for very long. 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.680 And him and his friend's dog, Him and his boyfriend's 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.600 dog just found something bad in the bushes, as all 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.040 dogs tend to do on this show. And it's a 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.360 woman's dead body, and we only see the legs, but 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.000 they are covered in blood. Like it is gruesome, and 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.640 now the gang is all there. The two guys who 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.400 found her mentioned her face being so messed up that 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.680 they couldn't recognize her, so they don't even know if 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.400 she was like a park regular because they can't even 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.640 see her. The vic is in her fifties or sixties, 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.719 and the only idea is a key on a string. 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:47.280 She's been beaten stabbed the whole nine, as Benson says, 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.240 and her body is still warm. So this just happened 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.400 in like broad daylight in Central Park. And then Live 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:58.840 clocks a small dog's pawprint in the blood, like on 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.880 the victim, but it's too small to be radios and 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.000 so this woman carries treats. It must be from her 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.880 own dog. I guess they found dog treats. 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:07.920 I don't know. It's confusing. 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.280 Then they find a knife wrapped in plastic so they 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.760 won't be able to get like any prints off of it. 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.280 Then they also find a disposable rain ponn show that 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.880 the pert probably wore. And then they find a dog's 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.400 leash like tied around a tree, and they figured that 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.040 the victim's dog wiggled out of his collar, left the 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.280 pop print and then took off, And Munch goes, maybe 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.560 Lassie went to get help A good a Lassie reference. 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.360 As always, those. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.560 Dogs are so cute and I don't see them enough. Yeah, 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.080 I don't know why they're not more popular. They're like 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.360 so fucking cute, they're beautiful. Yeah, I don't know why. 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.000 Maybe you do more out in like like Montana or 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.840 like Western States. Where they have like room to roam 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.800 and like make cattle do what they're supposed to do. 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:54.239 I don't know. 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.240 But now we're at Melinda's house and she is telling 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.160 us that there are thirty seven deep puncture onounes to 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:05.960 the chest, mostly on the breasts. 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:06.719 Yikes. 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.200 The cause of death is acute pnumo thorax, which basically 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.520 means she drowned in her own blood. Oh Happy Tuesday, 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.800 no fluids. But she was sexually assaulted with a branch 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.320 they found at the scene. Like it's really fucking brutal. 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.640 Like I'm sorry, I'm trying to describe it, and I 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:25.279 don't feel that there's a way to be funny here 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.800 because it is a super brutal body, you know, autopsy here, no, prince, 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.160 She's gonna need to do facial reconstruction because the guy 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.959 completely wrecked her face. She was also wearing a ring, 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:38.759 and Benson is impressed by the ring, and you know, 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.919 Benson knows her shit, Like if it's a nice ring, 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.279 Benson knows. Benson's like, what is this a Tiffany five carrat? Like, 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.680 you know, she knows. Melinda gives them something they can 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.960 use to help the id. This woman is in her 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.080 sixties and walks with a limp. She probably had childhood 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.439 polio because the vacs didn't come out until nineteen fifty four. 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.360 But with any assist from RFK, it's gonna be back soon. 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.239 I know we'll have folio back in the streets any 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.719 day now. But yeah, her one leg is an inch 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.360 shorter than the other one, I guess. 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.640 So she would have walked with the limb. 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.400 So back at the precinct, Finn is stating the obvious, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.080 like this guy wanted her to suffer. Stabler Breeze is 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.720 in late from a parent teacher conference. Okay, uh, Daddy 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.520 Cragan is in no mood for theories. He's got the 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.080 press breathing down his neck and he needs something solid. 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.120 I find out hard to believe that the press is 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.440 like super breathing down his neck, being like who's the 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:32.080 dead lady? 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.239 Like over and over. I mean, there's so much going 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:34.879 on in New York. 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.360 But I also find it hard to believe that Stabler 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:42.440 was at a parent teacher conference. Yeah exactly, I'm sure 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.880 he's like, this has to happen, This parent teacher conference 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.759 has to happen at nine pm or not at all, 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.520 Like when I get out of work, but it's they're 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.080 kind of fucked, they've got nothing. They're like, it's really 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.160 brazen for broad daylight, Like maybe this guy's attacked older 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:56.800 women before. 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.520 Let's check that moo. Then they get a call that 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:01.239 a j all dog was brought to the vet with 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.440 bloody pause. Uh oh, so now the vet's filling them 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.600 in that some joggers found the dog and he's a 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:07.800 King Charles Spaniel. 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.080 He looks like Elizabeth Taylor from Sex and the City 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:15.880 and super super sweet dog. And he's not tattooed or chipped. 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.320 I didn't know that dogs were getting tattooed. But that's 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:22.080 a good idea, I guess for identification. Shameful, I know, 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.560 I mean the chip seems better for sure. And then 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.000 pet like a baby puppy French sheet today. 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.800 Real cute, so cute. I love a little French sheeet. 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:39.120 But she the vet has to explain chipping to Finn, 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.640 like they haven't gotten to the Bob Sagged episode yet, 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.800 Like Finn doesn't know about chipping, so she has to 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.960 tell him like yeah, basically has the owner's name and number, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.440 like and it's sub subdural or subcutaneous or whatever like chip. 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.439 So they washed away the blood, so the evidence is gone. 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.000 But the Vet's like, but I did keep this, and 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.400 it's a full sneaker. 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.960 The dog had a full sneaker. 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.480 In his mouth as he walked across the you know 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:10.440 the part found Yeah, a hero dog, a junior detective, Yes, exactly, 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.120 and McGruff the crime dog if you will. He has 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.920 the sneaker has an orthotic in it for the shorter 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.600 leg and this is wild. They're gonna identify this murder 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.480 victim from her orthotic, Like they're at the company that 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:24.040 makes it. 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:25.399 He checks the serial number. 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.480 He's like, these are all specific to our clients, and 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.720 it belongs to doctor Esterman, they said, Greta Esterman. 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.560 She works for the Department of Health. 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.440 So now we're at CSU and we're talking to this 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.600 tech that we've never seen before and. 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.239 I don't think we ever see again. But he's a 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.480 big part of this episode. 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.000 And he's saying that this is his first time printing 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.239 a dog and like they're gonna swab the dog's mouth 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:47.920 too to see if he, like maybe bit the perp. 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.560 And Greta Esterman lives on the Upper West Side. Her 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.360 husband is a society lawyer named Arthur, and then Elliott 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.920 goes to leave and Munches like, don't forget the dog, 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.200 and so Elliott, you know, has to walk out this 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:01.279 little king Charles. 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:01.640 Under his will. 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.160 They also at one point call him a pooch and 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:09.160 they's Munch and it was really cute. They do say 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.520 pooch twice at the beginning. It's really cute, like Olivia 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.279 says it and then Munch says it. So yeah, we're 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:15.680 a lot of pooch flying around. 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.600 And then at the Estman residence we meet Arthur, who 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.800 is played by Michael Gross, who most famously for me 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:28.239 is the father from Family Ties, but Casey knows him 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:32.240 from Tremors and he was also in the season sixteen 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.440 episode of SVU Assaulting Reality, where it's like a Bachelor 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.920 episode and he's one of the producers of the Bachelor 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.400 show and like an assault happens and he's upset. He's like, 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.120 I should have never let Greta go out alone, and 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.439 he tells them he didn't leave the house till nine 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.560 to go play tennis. Since he's retired, he's taken up 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.080 a new hobby of sleeping late, so he woke up 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:54.920 and just thought Greta had already gone to work and 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.319 taken buddy with her, which she does sometime to time. 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.440 And then they're like, well it's ten o'clock now, like, 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.279 aren't you worried that she's not home? And he's like, 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.560 she works late sometimes. So he explains she treated people 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:06.280 with you guys. 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:11.480 So I'm on Michael Gross's IMDb, and you know he 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.560 went to Yale's School of Drama, so you know, I'm 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.640 loving that. But before that, it says he was involved 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.839 with a gang for a couple of years during high 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:20.840 school before becoming a better student. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.360 And I think that's a little shocking to you. That's 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:24.799 a very shocking. 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.880 That's very shocking that Michael Gross, the father from Growing Pains, 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:31.800 was in a gang for any amount of time. 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.120 I'm surprised. Good, good tidbit. 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:39.280 So doctor Esterman, Greta Esterman, her job was treating people 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:43.080 with HIV and she tracked exposure patterns and some people 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:44.640 thought it violated their privacy. 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:46.840 So maybe she had some enemies. 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.800 And the husband's like, well, she got occasional threats and 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.640 last month a guy called her office and was saying. 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:53.800 He was going to ruin her life. 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.440 So now we're at the we're at Greta's office and 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.480 that we're talking to Health Commissioner Chung. And she is 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:04.360 played by Christine Toy Johnson, who literally is like rivaling 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.920 Kevin Kane for most characters. She's been in Countdown as 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:11.600 a doctor, she was in Anchor as Kiko Nishimora, she 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.920 was in Holden's Manifesto granting immunity. I thought you were 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.040 on my side and constricted as doctor Celia Lee. And 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.160 here she's Health Commissioner Chung. So she's done a lot 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.680 on SVE and she's telling Benson and Stabler that yes, 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:27.360 Greta got threats, and Benson goes, yeah, contact tracers are 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.080 about as popular as repo men, and I did. It's 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.520 funny because I didn't even know the term contact tracing 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.040 until COVID came around. But I guess obviously it's been 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:39.239 used in like epidemiology probably for a long time, or 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.080 like in tracking diseases, but I think it came into 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.280 the consciousness with COVID, where you'd get like an alert 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.200 from like the contract tracing app that someone near you 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:52.520 had COVID or whatever. But she said, yes, like they 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:56.080 get threats. But nothing deterred Greta. She was so dedicated. 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.200 And then she hands over all of Greta's personal papers 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.640 and a phone law and she's like, I just never 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.000 had any of the threats investigated because Greta said that 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.960 angers a normal response and that they'd eventually move on 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.719 to acceptance, and you know, she didn't think anything of it. 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.359 So at the precinct, Stabler and Menson are looking through 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.440 all the shit that she gave, all the personal papers, 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.240 and they're finding out that the Estermans love to party. 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:20.880 Okay, they love to party for charity. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:25.600 They're big donations galas giving blood publicly at blood bank 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.480 events like they're big, you know, the New York Society people. 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.960 But last month AIDS activists threw pigs blood on her 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.439 to protest some of the work she was doing with 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:41.480 like pigs blood. So then Stabler reads one out loud 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:46.440 so funny. It says, snoopy bitch, doctor you die. And 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.480 his read is so funny, like if you're not watching 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.480 this episode, or you're watching it later, please take a moment. 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.480 And the way snoopy is spelled s n oop i 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.839 e bitch is spelled b ic h. It's just a 0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:02.520 wonderful moment of Stabler just cold reading a threatening note. 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.680 I wrote this snoopy fish, doctor you die. 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.680 And then they say the husband's alibi about playing tennis 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:13.320 checked out, and Stabler is pointing out that this woman 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.319 just wanted to save lives and people hate her, and 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.200 Munch takes this opportunity to obviously hop on his soapbox 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:22.200 about the fine line between prevention and privacy, and Benson's like, okay, bro, 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:23.600 but like people have the right to know if they've 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.680 been exposed to hav and Munch is like, yeah, I 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.040 just don't like it when the government starts making up lists, 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.839 and Finn's like, don't get him started, please, And then 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.840 Live finds something in the phone log. Anonymous mail says 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.520 he'll copulate me to death is something that she wrote 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.280 down in her phone log. And the idea is from 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:46.240 somebody named Roger Pomerantz who did six years for sodomy 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.919 one and just got out two months ago. Hasn't checked 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.759 in with his PO in a while, so and I 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.799 would say, a rare go, you gotta check. 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.600 Yeah, the PO you got it, you got it. That's 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:57.600 a big red flag. 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:01.759 And Benson, Stabler, Finn and Munch all go to visit 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.960 this guy. Usually they pair off, but good thing all 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:05.560 four of them go because they go visit him at 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.680 this bakery. He immediately runs. He's a big guy. When 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.000 they id themselves, he runs, Finn cuts him off. The 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.120 whole gang has to like work together to throw this 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.880 guy up against a wall. And Munch is like, you know, 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.120 resisting arrest is a parole violation, and Roger goes bite me, 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.200 and Finn's like, we're gonna do a lot worse. 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.520 It's like, wow, okay, what are you gonna do? 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.520 So top of that too, you know, whenever I think 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:31.960 of Pearol, I think of Miss Congeniality because in the 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.480 beauty pageant, like the question they ask her like what 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.759 do you care about? You know? She does, she goes, 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.960 I would be tougher on parole viol violators. Yeah, And 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.160 I always have thought like why that was her number 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:42.840 one passion? 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.879 Like, yeah, that big of a deal. Well, I don't 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.720 know because it is like it isn't. 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.080 But it's like, if if I have the audience, I'd 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.080 be like, I just can't imagine parole. 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.479 Violate being your number one thing. 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.320 Yeah, yeah, I would say, Bay, you know, like the 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:04.160 juvenile system like that, she's seen other things. She's probably 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:08.920 seen human trafficking. You know, she's in the FBI. 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:13.399 Well, maybe she's like on the side that we are on. 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.719 Sometimes when people get out of jail so quickly and 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.120 like immediately reoffend or I don't know, of course that's 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.200 what she means, but it's usually like not. 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:26.560 Even show up, you didn't do something. But obviously you 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:31.120 know I'm into full castration. So I am with her there, yes, 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.920 fully of okay. 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.680 So this little parole violator is now in cement room 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.880 bars and they're talking about his record menacing gun charges, assault, 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.560 one knife, point stranger, rape, and he's like, let me. 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.000 Clarify that was a quote. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.880 He goes, hook or I who was pissed I wouldn't 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.120 pay her for a lousy lay. It's like, that is 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.880 literally what you have to do with sex workers. You 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:59.480 must pay them for the lay. He's like, wait a second. 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.680 In my defense, that one was okay because I just 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.120 didn't want to pay for it, Like what? 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:05.920 And then Benson's like, how's. 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.600 Your sex life, rag, which I like that, and she goes, 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:09.680 you still have to force women. 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.279 He goes, I just got married. I get it all 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:11.720 the time. 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.719 And now he's talking a Stabler about Benson like she 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.400 could use a good like acting like she could use 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.239 a good pounding or whatever. And Live does not like that. 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.120 She's like, you don't like women in authority and he 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.480 agrees he does not, and then she brings up Greta. 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.640 He goes, she was in my business. 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.520 She was going to call my wife and tell her 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.319 I had gone a rhea, and Benson's like, so you're 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.040 dumb enough to get the clap, And then the law 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.759 says the doctor has to tell her and he's like, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.040 I was just exercising my free speech when I left 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:42.439 her the threat on the phone. Right, So they bring 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.320 up her murder and then he goes crazy. He lunges 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.240 at Benson. He's like murder, and he like the murder, 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.360 and then he launches at Benson and Stabler has to 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.919 restrain him and his Stabler goes, where are you going 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.080 with my table? Like while he hasn't been a headlock, 0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:58.560 he goes, where are you going with my table? And 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.680 it's made me laugh, and then Stabler has him in 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.680 some kind of calming chokehold that he keeps him in 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.120 long enough for this guy to just completely calm down, 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.880 and then he's able to keep questioning him. And basically 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.040 the guy has an alibi, so he's a red herring. 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.280 At the precinct, Munch and Finn are updating Daddy Craigan. 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.640 The alibi checks out he was at work by eight am, 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.520 and then Arthur Estman shows up with two bags of 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.800 papers just as they're bringing Roger out, and with no warning, 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.560 Arthur attacks Roger like head butts. 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.560 Him, and then it's like so insane. He goes he's 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:30.359 the one and just. 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:34.839 Goes sazy giant and this man, yes, really funny, and 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:36.920 this is like a man in his sixties who is, 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.400 you know, on the slimmer side slimmer bills going up 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.480 against this large man. And then so they lock Roger 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:44.880 in a cell because I guess they're still going to 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:48.160 get him on parole violations, and they're helping Arthur pick 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.520 up all his papers and he's like, I found something 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:52.760 that could help, and then he gives them a case 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.280 file that Greta was really worried about, and she said 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.279 she had told him it's a terrible situation that I 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.920 have to stop, but didn't get into further detail. He 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.239 can't figure out what any of the stuff means, but 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.680 they've got an idea of someone who can help them translate. Boom, Melinda, 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:07.400 she's there. 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.160 She was up all night decoding the file and she 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.879 figured out what doctor Esterman was working on. And it's 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.479 a big contact trace, right. She was trying to track 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.680 down the common source of infection of all these people 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.960 who live in Little Italy. Most of them don't know 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.040 each other, but a lot of them are positive for HIV. 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.160 And she was looking at an HIV positive guy who 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.760 had sex with a lot of partners, and he's the nexus. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.160 He's like the center of this miniature epidemic. 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.560 If the Nexus, they're they're thinking, Okay, if the Nexus 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.480 knew Greta was close to iding him, maybe he killed her. 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.000 She wasn't done with her interviews, so maybe they need 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.240 to pick it up where she left off, to finish 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:42.879 it for her. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:43.600 And find the killer. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.239 Melinda gives them the list that Grata hadn't finished, and 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.759 it starts with a college student named Mike Andretti. 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:50.239 Now Benson is table. 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:51.920 Are talking to Mic about why he didn't wear a 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.279 condom and Lol, it's because he's Catholic. And if his 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.120 mom catches him with a condom. He's dead, and then 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.799 he goes, now I'm dead anyway, and lives like, no, no, 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.880 there's treatment, and he goes, I don't mean from HIV, 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:05.920 I mean from my mom. It's like, get a grip, dude, 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.040 you're you're a fear of your mom has truly ruined 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.120 your life. The person who gave it to him was 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.520 this hot woman in his friend's building. She was all 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.680 over him and said her husband didn't know what she was, 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.399 what he was missing, and she was his first. They 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.600 need her name, and he's like, the whole neighborhood's going 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:22.920 to find out. I'm like, I don't really know if 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:24.759 that's how New York works. And then he gives her 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.920 the name and it's Vicenza, a ghosto. So like literally 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.160 everybody in this little Italy thing is Italian according to 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.720 this episode, like everyone who lives in little Italy is Italian, 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:36.640 and they're all fucking each other. So now they go 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.800 talk to Vicenza and she's like, it's Joey's fault. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:43.160 My husband. Who's my soon to be ex husband. She said, 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.239 he's probably with a Strippery's banging. He knows she has 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.239 HIV Joey, but he somehow didn't get it, and she's like, well, 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:52.799 a month before the wedding, I cut Joey off from 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.440 sex for the honeymoon, you know, like to build up 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.839 sex for the honeymoon or whatever. And he didn't care 0:48:57.840 --> 0:48:59.560 because he had a slot on the side. Then she 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.320 comes home the honeymoon with chlamydia. 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:04.120 So she figures out that Joey's been cheating, decides to 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.960 get revenge. And she said the only person she slept 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.360 with was this college kidnamed Mike, and they're like, girl, 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.359 he says you were his first, and like, we believe him. 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.319 He looks very virginal, and then she admits it was 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.040 this guy, Mario, who bartended at a club. So now 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:19.279 they're at the club and there's this guy there and 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.200 at first he's like, nope, no Mario, and then they 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.280 show him a picture of the doc that tracks HIV 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.000 and he's like, wait, is this about AIDS And he 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:29.120 spills everything and says Mario stopped coming in a couple 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.040 weeks ago after the dock stop by. He's like, we 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.279 don't share girls. He's way into other shit that I'm not. 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.160 That's too hot for me, Like he's into orgy's threesomes, 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.359 another girl, another guy, anything to get off. And then 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:43.040 they're like, well, then why do you look like you're 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.120 about to throw up? Like why do you look so spooked? 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.080 And Finn's Finn goes, I got it. You guys share 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.680 needles and then he goes, not dope, image enhancers steroids, 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.080 And I'm like, you share needles for steroids, Like I 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.840 thought needles sharing normally happens because you're like hi, and 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.040 you're not really thinking straight about like hygiene. You just 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.279 want to get high for steroids. It's like, go get 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.400 a clean needle. I'm confused about why you would have 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.160 to be sharing needles for steroids. But the guys like, 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.080 I'm really screwed here, and they're like, so are all 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.560 your partners? We need a list. So back at the precinct, 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:19.840 it's science presentation time. Doctor Esterman had id'd forty seven 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.920 cases in this little Italy neighborhood. They continued her trace 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:28.600 and found thirty two more cases. That's seventy five cases 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.880 in this area. And little Italy is small. Everybody, it 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:35.479 is a small area. Like the nexus is one guy 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.600 and his name is Mario Molinari. And he's directly connected 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.799 to twelve women and two men, and out of those 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.040 fourteen cases, the rest branch out from their partners. So 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.560 everybody in Little Italy is banging okay, and they're like, 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.759 Gregan goes, all right, let's go find typhoid Mario, which 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:58.000 is funny to me. So they go to Little Italy 0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:59.799 and they talk to a bunch of old guys who 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:02.440 know Mario, which is very like Italian I feel for 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.520 a bunch of old guys just be outside drinking coffee, 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.000 maybe playing cards, and they're like, oh yeah, girls are 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.680 always looking for him. He's up at Saint Catherine's Hospital. 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.799 An ambulance came for him. Probably wore himself out with 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:16.560 all that bata bang uh like, So it's hilarious. But 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.799 Saint Catherine's is where they had next, and they're talking 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:23.080 to Mario played by a guy named Chris Tardio who 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.399 was on four episodes of The Sopranos, still works, and 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.160 he's like, why is the. 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:29.399 Sex and the City guy? 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:34.520 So he's, uh, he's when Samantha hires an assistant who 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:37.279 has a lot of attitude and he won't listen to her, 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:38.960 and then she goes you know what, you're fired, but 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:39.879 we'll fuck now. 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.919 And then on the desk, yes, okay, because I saw 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.680 that he was on in indeed, just said like Matt 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:48.879 or something, and I was like, oh, that's not ringing 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.880 a bell immediately, so I didn't. I didn't look into it, 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.640 but I knew you would. Why didn't look into it? 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:54.520 I knew from the moment. 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:55.680 You just knew from his face. 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.000 Oh okay, wow, I did not recognize him as that 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:04.080 assistant you our Sex and the City expert. So he's like, 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.360 why does that doctor care who I slept with? And 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:08.360 I'm like, why is everyone acting like it's the seventies. 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.239 It's two thousand and two. We all know that HIV 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.640 is not good to spread. Like He's like, why is 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:13.720 everybody on my case? 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:14.440 It's like, you have. 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.200 HIV, sir, you cannot just go around doing whatever you want. 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:19.880 And he's like, I didn't even know the doctor was murdered. 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:21.880 He says, I wish I could have seen it. And 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.320 then Benson checks his file, which you know is probably 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.680 a violation of privacy, and she's like, he's been in 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.080 the hospital with pneumonia for six days. It wasn't him, 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.759 And he goes, yes, some slut gave me HIV and 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:32.600 didn't give a damn. 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:33.640 Now I don't give a damn. 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.279 And the law says they can't tell anyone, and then 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:37.759 they cuff him to his bed and they're like. 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:41.719 Wrong, Like you knew you had AIDS, you didn't warn 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.800 your partners. That's a crime. So this guy's now in trouble. 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.680 Cabot is on the scene at the precinct and she's like, 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.760 all right, I'm gonna charge Mario with attempted murder, reckless endangerment, 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:55.360 and statutory rape for the underage girls. Didn't even throwing 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.120 that one in at the last minute. Didn't realize he 0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:01.040 was also poking up with underage girls. Cab says, you know, yeah, 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:04.560 this happened upstate and the health department posted flyers and 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:06.920 people just came in to get tested. She's saying that 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.920 to Benson because Benson's like concerned about, like, how are 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:11.839 we going to find out who all these victims are? 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.879 And then Craigan and Sabler walk in, Uh oh, they 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.560 found another body in the park. Cut to the press 0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.680 questioning Cragan calling the perp the central park stalker. They 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.360 want to know if a Cereal is on the loose. 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.760 Now they're in Central Park. A mounted cop found the body. 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:30.360 A mountie, they say, he he shook up. He's like, 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:32.840 I've seen dead bodies, but nothing like this. And he 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:34.800 says that this area the park doesn't really get a 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.440 lot of traffic. It's two wooded for dog walkers and joggers. 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.560 And he goes and then I just saw Mona lying 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.040 there and they're like, you knew her, and he goes, Yeah, 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.960 her name's Mona Sidley. I recognized her by her binoculars, 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:49.480 not her face. She doesn't really have one anymore. Jesus okay, 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:53.480 second old lady found with like a vague resemblance of 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.799 a face in the park. Melinda found nothing on the 0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.759 body but one foreign hair. There was a similar knife 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.120 sitch situation wrapped in plastic. We find out later that 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.319 there was also a poncho. So it seems like the 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.800 same guy. But Melinda's like, it might not be the 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.759 same guy. Like Mona was only stabbed six times as 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.960 opposed to thirty something in the Greta attack. Plus Mona's 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.000 facial injuries aren't half as bad as what happened to Greta. 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.360 This time, it was a broken bottle used in the 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.160 sexual attack instead of a tree branch. It's really like, 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.319 and Melinda's not sure it's the same guy. 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:26.960 And I don't know. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.080 Why we questioned Melinda, but you know, she's like, I 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.480 don't know. The moos just seems so different. So now 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:33.880 we're talking to the CSU tech with no name. The 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.000 guy playing him his named Manny Perez. He's been in 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:39.480 three other episodes of SVU, and he says it's the 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:44.160 same guy, no doubt. First off, another yellow poncho, another 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:47.400 knife with the plastic around the handle, same tread found 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.360 at the scene, matched to a size ten hiking boot. 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.919 And he's got soil samples from Greta's regular jogging area, 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.399 samples from where her body was found, and from where 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.799 Mona's body was found. And he's like, when you find 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.160 the shoes, they're gonna match all these three samples. 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:04.160 I'm guaranteeing you. 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:07.480 So then Finn tells Benson, I think it's definitely the 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.759 same guy, and Benson's like, well, but why would the 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.760 guy be losing passion about in his crimes when normally 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.600 serial killers they escalate, like their crimes get worse and 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.759 worse and they're like, maybe he got interrupted, maybe he's 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.640 gotten more self control with experience. But his post murder 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.160 behavior is different as well, Like he hid Greta, but 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:27.760 not Mona. He left her out in the open. Maybe 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:31.080 there's a connect between these victims. Mona lived alone, was 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.920 never married, she was a retired bookkeeper. So then they 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.440 remember that gret In Greta's calendar, they saw she had 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:39.120 a standing lunch with her friend Bonnie Vernon, so they 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:42.080 go have a chat with her and they're like, they're like, 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.520 did Greta have any bird watcher friends? Because I guess 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:46.520 you know, Mona's got the binocular, she's a bird watcher. 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.960 And Bonnie's like no, and she would have told me 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.120 something like that, which is hilarious, like the first thing 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:52.839 you catch up with. 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:54.120 Oh, by the way, you know, I have a bird 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:54.919 watcher friend now. 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.759 But it turns out they were college roommates at Radcliffe 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.960 and she met Arthur at Harvard. Her family did not 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.920 approve of the marriage because she came from old money 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.480 and they didn't think Arthur was good enough for her, 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:10.239 and the friend goes he practiced tennis more than law, 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:14.239 but as a couple they were perfect no affairs. Arthur 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.960 is so old fashioned. I doubt he even looks at 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.560 other women. But a few months earlier, she remembers, Greta 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:22.960 asked her to run a credit report on a man, 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.080 but didn't say why, but she knows it had to 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.080 be personal, because otherwise she would have just used her 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.920 city investigators that she has access to through the health department. 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.560 And the guy's name was Vartan Dadian. There we go, 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:38.760 there we go, Vartan. She remembers, thinking, Oh, my friend 0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:42.960 has an Armenian admirer. Okay, so now we're onto the 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.040 trade tracking down of Vartan Dadian. 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.680 I gotta know why someone put that name in like that? 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.719 Is that's a good Neil question? Be like Neil, what 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.040 is that an anagram of? I'm sure it's like some 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:59.799 old star that he loves. But he says, no, if 0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:02.839 she maybe him, maybe we can email him, Oh yeah, 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.520 him before to ask him other questions. Yeah, you gotta 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.000 ask him because I am so curious. 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:08.800 Yeah. 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.160 So now they're talking to Arthur and he's like, are 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.600 you implying that she was having an affair? 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:17.800 And he's like that's impossible. 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.120 And then they're like, well, how did she seem lately, 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:21.960 and he's like, not really herself. 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.400 She seemed preoccupied. Sometimes she worked all night and didn't 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.640 come home. She said she had to trace at night, 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:30.320 and like bars and clubs were a big part of 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.120 her contact tracing. So and then they asked him about 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:36.800 Vartan Dadian, like any any ring, any bells, and he's 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.560 like no, And if she had a boyfriend, I don't 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:40.800 think I would know his name, she said. He goes, 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.240 I thought we had the perfect marriage. Okay, there's no 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:47.680 such thing. And then Cabot subpoenut financials for Vartan. He 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:49.840 lives on the Upper East Side, he's got a pension, 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:54.200 everything's pretty standard. Rent goes out small expenses, but he's 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.960 got plenty of cash in another bank account opened last 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:01.040 year and for the past year twenty a month has 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.960 been going in to that account from Greta's personal account. 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:08.280 And then charges. We're talking four star hotels, top restaurants, 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:13.160 but also Gold Coast Models, okay, escorts, baby, So now 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.080 we're at Gold Coast Models and there's a very SVU 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.400 receptionist there. She's kind of dorky looking, and she whines. 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:21.560 She's like, we don't take walk ins then she gets 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:23.520 a call and she has a perfect sexy voice. 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.200 She's like, thank you for calling Gold Coast Models. This 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:29.720 is angel Like she fully changes her voice. It's very funny. 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.120 And then she tries to stop Finn Munch from going in, 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:33.800 but it's like, duh, you can't stop the cops. And 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.080 then she's like Darla, like the cops are headed your way. 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:38.120 So the boss. 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.240 Darla's like, come on in, I've got nothing to hide. 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.720 And they're like, who sees Dartan whatever? 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:48.440 Vartan Dadian and they're like, she goes, oh, miss Kitty 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:51.280 sees Dadian on a daily basis, and they're like where 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:55.960 is she? Yeah, yeah, and she goes, well, she retired 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.000 because he promised that he'd support her buy her a condo, 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:02.360 but guess she's still waiting for her payday. So she 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.720 works the bar at the Broadway Terrace Hotel. So they 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.640 go find her there drinking a huge Cosmo and she's like, 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.840 I last saw Vartan two nights ago. We went to dinner, 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.880 then we went upstairs to the hotel suite, but he 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.360 didn't have the funds for a sleepover, so she went 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.120 home and he stayed to sleep And now they're at 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.720 the apartment of our Tan Dadian and they're talking to 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:26.000 this older man who seems very confused. He's like, SVU, 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.120 what are you doing in my house? And he's like, 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.480 I'm not I'm not seeing anybody right now. And they're like, 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.880 what about miss Kitty and he goes, now, I know 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:34.840 you have the wrong guy. 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:39.200 I'm not really interested in pussycats. I'm obsessed. 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:42.040 So this is a gay man who does not use 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.320 an escort service, and he has never heard of Gold 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.800 Coast Models. And he's like, my bank account is not 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.480 at that bank, and I haven't had any problems with 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:52.120 credit card or ID THEFS, but I'll call my bank 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.440 in the morning. And then they ask them about Greta 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.000 and he's like, oh, yeah, I read about her in 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:58.800 the papers, But how is my name involved in this? 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.320 And they're like it's a misunderst But just as they 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:03.640 go to leave, Stabler goes, oh, did you go to Harvard. 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:05.640 They don't really say how he gets this idea. I 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:08.080 guess he clocks like an alumni magazine or something on 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.240 the table and he's like, yeah, I did Harvard and 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:13.360 sixty Harvard class of sixty one. 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:14.120 Hmm. 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:18.000 Interesting So now back to talking to miss Kitty and 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:20.080 they've got her at the precinct and she's like, yeah, 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:21.840 we always met at five star restaurants. 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.720 Bartan had very good taste. And they're like, well, where'd 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:24.840 you go? 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:27.680 Two nights to go and she says, shy Marco nine o'clock, 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:29.600 want to know what I ate? And Finn goes, I'm 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:33.080 not touching that one. And you know, it's season four. 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:36.480 We're hot on the puns and the double entendre, and 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.720 she says that night he was his usual charming self. 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:42.120 And then Benson. 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:43.600 Pulls Munch out and is like, you know what, we 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:45.560 got too many Harvard guys in the mix here. I 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.240 need you to give this photo a ray to Kitty 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.680 and have her pick out her playmate. So then Munch 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:53.640 does that and she picks out Done Done, Arthur Esterman. 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:55.520 She goes, that's my Vartan. 1:00:56.480 --> 1:01:01.920 So this fucking sad widow has been plaguing the entire episode, 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:05.840 and well, the night, yes, we were all buying it 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:08.920 unless you subscribe to the rule that like they're not 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:11.400 really going to bring in sort of a recognizable actor 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:13.840 just for him to be like a sidecarre, you know, 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:15.800 he's they're usually going to get something bigger. 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:18.840 Maybe he had aids in the end and he was yeah, yeah, 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.640 ste fire, or it was like she had the you 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:22.240 know there. 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:22.520 Yeah. 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:26.080 I can't think of another example at the moment, but 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.160 but it's true. He was setting her good job, like 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:30.720 he was setting it up to look like she had 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.640 an affair. Not only did he throw the next to 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:35.919 sky at us, but he threw the fact well, yeah, 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:38.520 she wasn't coming home a lot lately. I guess bars 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:40.480 and clubs were part of her work, like totally trying 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:42.120 to make it seem like she was having an affair. 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.560 Like this guy was trying all the pulling out all 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.520 the stops. So the gang is all talking about it 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.920 and they're like, wow, the night of this guy's that 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:52.240 this guy's wife's body is found, he went and saw 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:55.200 Miss Kitty Andy booked another date for right after the funeral. 1:01:55.600 --> 1:01:58.000 He either killed her because she found out that he 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:00.320 was draining the bank account or because he was a 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:02.480 new life with Miss Kitty and Finn's like it's both. 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.200 Greta was just at the bank last week asking questions 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.440 about these wire transfers, and all the transfers were authorized 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:11.000 by him, not her, And Craigan's like, well, why would 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.960 like an HIV doctor be okay with her husband like 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.040 seeing sex workers? And they're like, well, she didn't have 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:19.120 that much time to confront him. She only went into 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:20.920 the bank on Friday to ask about the money and 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.800 she was found dead on Monday, so I guess probably 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.680 an awkward weekend. But you know, only a little bit 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:28.520 of time has she even had this knowledge, and it's 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:32.480 still circumstantial. They say they need hard evidence. Miss Kitty's 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.240 ID though, is enough for a search warrant. So now 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:37.480 they're at the Estrument home and they're searching, and they're 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:41.240 finding evidence of these big cash transfers to Bartan and 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.760 they're like, he probably killed his wife and then killed 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:45.880 Mona to make it look like it was a serial killer. 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:50.160 Yet another thing he's throwing at the cops. So then 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:53.240 he comes home, he's, you know, shock and awe, you 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:57.800 think I killed my wife? Then munch fine, the boots 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.160 house down, boots. His boots are dirty, okay, and he 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:05.480 has no excuse. He's like, I love my wife, and 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:08.040 Benson's like more than Miss Kitty, and he's like who 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:08.880 And Benson's like. 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:11.840 Save it Vartan and when she says that he's got 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:13.960 that face on, that's like okay, fuck, they've got me. 1:03:14.560 --> 1:03:17.600 So back to the unnamed CSU tech who is confirming 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.960 the shist found in the Central Park boots. He got 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.480 a pollontologist to confirm the other sample. All this science 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:27.880 shit that neither Finn nor I am interested in. But 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:30.440 the boots that these boots. 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.080 That they found in his house were near the body, 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:36.200 and like the science seems so crazy, like you can 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:39.680 actually say what they were near the body, like they're 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:42.280 that specific the soil, But according to the sky, that's 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.200 what a pollontologist does. And the footprints match the boots 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:49.360 as well. So now they've got Arthur in interrogation and 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:52.920 he's like it's a coincidence. The boots are very popular 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.040 and the dirt he can explain he went to lay 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:57.760 flowers at the grave and say a prayer for her, 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:01.200 his wife and miss Sidley, and he tells them it's 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:02.080 a waste of time. 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:04.080 I loved my wife, Like, you guys are wrong. 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:09.280 They're like interesting because you know, fake name, secret accounts, 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:11.960 call girls. This doesn't really feel like love. And he's like, 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:13.400 I did that out of respect. 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:14.000 For Greta. 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.600 And this like reminds me of when I literally almost 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:18.680 got kicked out of my smoking my non smoking dorm 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:20.480 for having an ashtray full of cigarette butts, and I 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:22.760 told them that I would just bring cigarette butts from 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:24.720 inside and put them in the ashtray, because like I 1:04:24.800 --> 1:04:26.959 was a good Smaritan. Like this is what the vibe 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:29.240 is that this guy's trying to pull off. He's like, no, no, 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:31.400 I did that for her, Like that was a respect 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:34.720 for her. He says, after menopause, Greta lost interest in sex, 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:37.400 but I didn't, and she was down with me being 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:39.520 with other partners. I just had to be discreet, which 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:42.320 is why I use the fake name. Benson is very 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:46.960 skeptical that this literal HIV contact tracer was down with 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:50.560 her husband having high risk sexual activity. And he's like, listen, 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:53.680 we were married for forty years. Other kinds of fidelity 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:54.320 matter more. 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.840 And they're like, okay, we'll give us a DNA sample 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:59.560 and he's like, why does that help. My DNA would 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:01.440 be on my way anyway. And they're like, well, what 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:03.680 about Mona. We found a hair and we can get 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:04.440 a court order. 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:06.520 And he's trying to call their bluff because he is 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:08.560 a lawyer, right, he might be more of a tennis player, 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:10.640 but he does have a law degree. And he's like, 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.360 there's no connection to Mona. You guys have nothing. He 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:17.280 makes an analogy like about JFK and MLK being shot 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:20.120 with the same kind of weapon, Like, what you're suggesting 1:05:20.160 --> 1:05:22.120 is that Lee Harvey Oswald killed both of them. 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:23.640 No judge is going to sign off on. 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:26.040 A blood order for you guys, And he's very smug 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:28.680 and grinning, and Benson looks grossed out. So behind the 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:32.000 one way glass, unfortunately, Cabot is confirming he's right, like 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.160 we don't have enough to force a sample and they 1:05:34.240 --> 1:05:36.479 can't connect him to Mona Sidley in any other way. 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:39.440 So Benson's like, no blood sample, no case. And then 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:42.120 Stabler pulls up the old article they found earlier about 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:44.320 all the charities and the galas and the blood donation 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:48.360 and is like, what about the blood he donated at 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:51.160 this gala? Which is crazy because it's like they still 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:53.200 have it, Like, I don't know. This is just a 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:57.920 wild turn of sview events as usual. So now Arthur 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:01.760 is in Petrowski's chambers with Cat and he's arguing if 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.120 you allow this, then anyone who gives blood can have 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:07.120 their rights trampled on. And Cabot argues that the blood 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:10.720 bank chose not to contest their subpoena, he has no standing, 1:06:11.160 --> 1:06:12.640 And he's like, what about my privacy? 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:13.360 I donated? 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.680 But they're like, you donated the blood knowing it would 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:18.440 be tested, And Petrovsky is like, kind of buying this 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.880 and Arthur is like yeah. And Arthur's like, she's using 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:25.040 my philanthropic activities to justify an end run around the 1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:29.120 judicial system. And Cabot says, I couldn't get a sample 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:31.040 from him, but nothing in the law bars me from 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:35.040 testing what he gave away freely, and Petrovsky agrees, but 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:38.520 she limits the scope. You can only do the same 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:42.280 tests that any blood bank would do on the blood, 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:45.480 like blood type. You know, you can test for HIV 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:47.600 and other kind of blood disorders, but don't They don't 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:48.320 test for DNA. 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:49.280 They don't test your DNA. 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:54.120 So Melinda tells them that Esterman is blood type AB, 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:57.160 he's free of any diseases, and the blood came back 1:06:57.480 --> 1:07:02.320 positive for viagra and ecstasy, which is used to enhance 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:06.920 sexual encounters. Melinda explains and they're like, the amount that 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:08.600 they found in his system, he would have had a 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:09.560 two week hard on. 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:11.640 That's what the CSU tech says. 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:14.640 So I don't know. So far, we've talked him a 1:07:14.680 --> 1:07:17.440 few times. I haven't noticed a heart on. But Benson 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.600 and Stable are walking and talking. They're like this, he's 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:20.520 not gonna talk. 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:21.240 Like what are we going to do? 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:25.240 And then they're like, well, he is on ecstasy and 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:28.600 you know viagra, Like, well he's on ecstasy, and people 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:30.080 do tell their drug dealer stuff. 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:32.840 Let's dump his phones. So then they dump his phones. 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:35.280 They literally set up a sting with Finn in a 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:39.200 convertible to buy ecstasy in broad daylight from this guy 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:41.680 who hands him the ecstasy and is like you're gonna 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:44.080 need two women, and then Finn's like, that's what my 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:47.160 man Vartan told me. And then the dealer is immediately 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.360 sketched out like dude, we don't use names, and he 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:52.280 starts to leave, but Munch grabs him and they bring 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.760 this like drug dealer like and they're like, we want 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:57.120 the scoop on Bartan and they're like, he goes he's 1:07:57.120 --> 1:07:59.440 got a love shock on East ninety second Street and 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:00.600 he just opped off. 1:08:00.440 --> 1:08:01.880 Some e there a few hours ago. 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:06.760 So hours, yes, so he is hopefully currently at the 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:10.640 love shack. They bust in on Family Ties Dad banging 1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:14.680 Miss Kitty and it uses a pretty graphic sex. I yes, 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:19.280 it's like horned up. It's pretty crazy watching this Family 1:08:19.360 --> 1:08:21.120 Ties Dad really get at us. 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:25.639 Yeah, it's two. It's like his full naked back hurt. 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.160 She's like fully naked from the way stuff like you 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.639 you're seeing like like humping and bumping. 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:33.120 It's really it's a lot for SVU. You don't usually 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:35.200 see that. Usually just hear noises and then people stop 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:38.479 when you burst in. So he immediately jumps into lawyer 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:40.519 mode and is like, well, you just violated the search 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:43.360 warrant by not knocking. And they're like, well we heard 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:44.280 a woman in distress. 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:47.120 We heard moaning, and then they're like are you all right, 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:50.080 miss and Miss Kitty is defending him like he didn't 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:53.679 do anything, he would never murder anyone. And then Benson finds, 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:55.920 I mean just sitting out on the table, miss Kitty, 1:08:56.000 --> 1:08:58.559 like open your eyes, sitting right out on the table 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.680 is a one way ticket to prison. Ills and Benson's like, 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:03.960 uh oh, miss Kitty looks like you're not going with 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:08.120 and Kitty's like finally understands what's up. And then they're like, 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:10.880 did you use a condom tonight? And she goes, no, 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:14.960 I trusted the bastard. And so you get an idea 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:16.479 of how they're gonna get Arthur's DNA. 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.800 So back at the precinct, they confront Arthur. 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:23.080 They're like, well, we got the DNA that you deposited 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:27.400 in miss Kitty, and he goes, you'll find it's a 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:29.799 match to the DNA I left on poor Mona Sidley. 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:32.880 And it's like, wait, what You've done so many like 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:35.519 smart chess moves and you're just giving it all up now, 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:38.480 Like you don't even know that the hair was exclusive, 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:40.400 Like you know what I mean, Like they told you 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:42.639 all they found was a hair and that could totally 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:44.600 not have had a bulb on the end of it, 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:46.200 you know what I mean. Like it's possible they didn't 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:48.679 get the DNA from the hair, and I just don't 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:50.760 buy that, but whatever, I know, the story does have 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:53.800 to wrap up. And he says, yes, I'm sorry she 1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:55.920 had to die talking about Mona and they're like, is 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:59.759 that a confession? And then he like looks to Stabler 1:09:59.760 --> 1:10:00.960 and he it's like, do you know what it's like 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:01.679 to grow old? 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:02.240 Detective? 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:05.639 We were together forty years when she just stopped liking sex. 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:08.599 That's how I found Kitty, and when I couldn't keep up, 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:10.640 the viagra and the ecstasy made me feel like I 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:13.559 was sixteen again. But Greta found out from the bank. 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:14.479 She confronted me. 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:17.240 I told her everything, begged her to try the ecstasy 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:18.439 and rekindle our love. 1:10:18.840 --> 1:10:21.800 But Greta was not down. She looked at him like 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:25.240 he was an animal, and she wanted to pull the money. 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:26.080 So you killed her. 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:29.240 And he says to Benson, beautiful women like you wouldn't 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.839 even look at me if I wasn't rich, And then 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:34.360 he says to Stabler, what are you going to do 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:37.040 when your wife turns you away? And he's like, you'll 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:40.640 do just what I did. And Stabler's like, yeah, I 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:44.280 doubt it. Like you killed a stranger, you mutilated your wife. 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:45.680 Nothing justifies that. 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:49.000 And he was like, I was alive for the first 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:51.080 time in years, and Greta tried to take it away. 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:55.439 I had to stop her. And that's dick wolf baby, and. 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:57.120 It's so it's just wild because it's like you could 1:10:57.120 --> 1:11:01.480 have also just killed her, Like you killed her so violently, 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:05.479 you know, like a simple stabbing would have done it, 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:08.479 or a gun or whatever, like there are poison, there's 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:10.559 a million ways you can do it. You literally made 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:12.960 it so that her face had to be reconstructed like 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:17.040 wild like. So this guy had some anger at him 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:21.680 at the idea of having his sex life taken away basically. 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:23.400 Or even just getting a job. 1:11:23.600 --> 1:11:27.520 It seemed like, really you could go back to practicing 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:32.680 laws or yeah, like you can work. So that was 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:37.519 that was an interesting moment as well, and a lot 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:39.960 of similarities, a lot of similarities. 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:42.200 So we'll dive. 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:55.280 Right into these cases of these killers. All right, So 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:59.160 the first okay, I'll just set the scene. 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:02.120 So it's Halloween morning, nineteen ninety nine. 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:08.400 Mabel Grenader and people call her May was savagely murdered 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:13.960 on a wooden wooded trail in Wesley, Massachusetts. 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:16.360 Wellesley. I have a lot of friends from this Ay 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:17.560 from Wellesley. 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:21.400 And so she and her husband Dirk which is not 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:25.000 a real name, but her Grenader. He was a doctor 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:28.280 and allergist and if you're interested, he mostly focused on 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.639 childhood asthma. I threw that in because you have asthma, 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:33.639 So yes, there way and of course, baby Noah, we've 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.680 got a yeah, yeah, huge, hugely popular. 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:39.280 And so whatever. 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:41.240 So the two of them, they went to take their 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:43.759 dog out for a walk around this pond. 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:46.639 And they've been married for thirty years. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:49.640 She worked for him as a nurse and was, you know, 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:51.559 pursuing an advanced degree in healthcare. 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:52.480 And they met. 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:56.439 They raised three children and lived in Wellesley this whole time, 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:58.720 and they were known by neighbors and friends as like 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:01.960 very close, devoted to each other, and they walked these 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:04.960 German shepherds every day, like they always had dogs, and 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:08.680 they're walking them. He calls nine one one from his 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:12.200 cell phone. He said he left his wife to rest 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:16.439 and he kept going because she was having a back pain. 1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:18.840 But he wanted to get his dogs some exercise, so 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:22.360 they split up, and when he returned, he found her 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:28.920 lifeless body bludgeoned and stabbed. So they were separated for 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.920 like ten minutes, and he claims he returned and found 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:36.640 her there. It was gruesome, like she was nearly decapitated, 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:40.080 stabbed in the chest and her skull was smashed with 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:45.559 a hammer, and her throat was slit and police found yeah, gruesome, gruesome, 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:49.639 And police found gloves, a hammer, a pocket knife believed 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:51.519 to be used in the murder in a nearby storm 1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:55.439 drain with DNA evidence. There was DNA found on the 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:58.640 knife and gloves used in the killing, and all the 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:02.639 items had is blood on them. And obviously the husband's 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:06.439 a suspect. But he's like, no, it's a thrill kill. 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:10.080 There's it's a thrill kill. And it's like, no, you're 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:12.320 the number one suspect. Actually, a thrill kill is not 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:14.600 even a thing. And like his kids kept being like, 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.600 it's a thrill killer and it's like, what are you 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:21.120 talking about? But yeah, his children are all but it's 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:23.639 not even a thing. It's not like it's your own 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:27.439 family lingo. No one uh, no, one talks about this 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:31.320 thrill I mean, I think a thrill killer is like Bundy. 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:35.080 Bundy was like a thrill killer. Yeah, but like he 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:37.200 made it seem like it was a string of thrill 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.200 kills that it was like someone was doing it, and 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:42.840 they found the perfect moment in the ten minutes that 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:43.920 he walked with the dog. 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:45.880 It's just like impossible. 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:49.360 But even with Ted Bundy, you would you would be 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:50.439 like a serial killer. 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:53.439 Yeah, you'd be, you would. 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:57.280 I just don't hear people going my wife was killed 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:00.200 by a thrill killer, Like, it's just not really a thing. 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:03.720 Whether then in an analysis, we you know they do 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:05.760 it for the joy of the game or whatnot. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.680 But I just it's suspicious to me. 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:13.320 And the investigation of this case, which the University of 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:18.599 Chicago Press called meticulous, was led by Marty Foley, which 1:15:18.760 --> 1:15:22.200 doesn't sound like a professional name from the state police. 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:25.200 And of course when this comes out, the town of shocks, right, 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:28.280 this is a prominent physician, a family man, but guess 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:29.519 what living a double life. 1:15:30.080 --> 1:15:31.120 He loved sex. 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:34.479 Workers, porn and trists from the internet, just like the 1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:37.680 episode Dirk claimed that they were having intimacy issues and 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:40.719 she wouldn't deal with them. He used a fake name 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:46.040 Thomas Young, not as you know, silly as Dartam or whatever. 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:50.280 And then he was downloading porn, huge phone sex bills. 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:53.519 He was meeting with sex workers in hotels and his 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:57.000 home office. Police actually found that he contacted a sex 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:59.960 worker a day after his wife's murder and the debut, 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:04.479 So yeah, before and after the murder, he was in 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:07.760 those streets and they thought that he killed his wife 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:09.920 in order to be more free out in the streets. 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:14.320 He was arrested mid November ninety nine, and the courtroom, 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:16.800 I guess, was like very dramatic, and it was like 1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:19.599 air on court TV, and it was just like air 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.880 nationally and there's a lot of spectacles. I saw no 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.519 other follow up to that little claim, So I don't 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:26.960 know if that was to sell a book or what, 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:30.479 but like, there was nothing wild that I came. 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:33.400 I almost surprised I didn't hear about this because like 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.639 I went to college. I was in college in nineteen 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.120 ninety nine with a ton of people from this area, 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:42.360 from Wellesley, and it's like only a couple hours from 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:43.360 where I went to college. 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:44.599 So I'm really surprised. 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:48.919 I guess I wasn't like as on the internet in college, 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:52.120 you know, just reading about stories and crimes. 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:53.280 So I guess that makes sense. 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:55.439 I also want to say that like that part of 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:58.479 the country, it seems like have lots of secret family is, 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:01.720 lots of lies, lots of corruption. 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:03.800 Yes, so maybe it didn't come up. 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:06.839 But over the course of the trial, the prosecution described 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:09.840 how Dirk had set up a phone company and used 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:12.120 it to apply for a corporate credit card under his 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:15.439 alias Thomas Young. You know, they talked about all his 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.400 group sex and how frequent it had gotten, and his 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:21.880 behavior was obsessive. In the week before his wife's murder 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:26.360 and those seven days, he contacted several prostitutes, had sex 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.400 with at least one, and was spending more than four 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:31.240 hours a day on internet porn sites. And this is 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:33.920 an addition to keeping up with his demanding ass job. 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.120 You know, if he wanted to, he would, And it's 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:38.720 not like May didn't know. 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:40.640 She was like, what's going on? You know. 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:43.040 The witnesses said that she was getting insecure in the 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:46.400 marriage and started buying new clothes. Working out was like 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:50.160 thinking about getting a facelift. Prosecution spun it that she 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:52.639 probably got close to figuring it out or already did, 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.080 and he wanted her out of the way, or like 1:17:56.160 --> 1:17:58.200 if it did get out, how it affect his career 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:02.840 and relationship with his children. The prosecution also stressed that 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:06.920 when witnesses placed this guy in the moments after the murder, 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:09.679 emerging from the area where the murder weapons were found, 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:14.000 not like heading in the most likely place to get help, 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:16.200 which is the main road. So if like you find 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:19.640 a crazy murderer, you would like go to a populated 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:21.679 area and not come out of the woods. They also 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:23.920 said that he delayed making the nine to one one call, 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:26.840 and also after like thirty to forty minutes of making 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:29.200 the call, police said that he asked, is she dead? 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:33.800 And am I going to be arrested? So I don't know, 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:37.400 but you know, Miranda writes, don't say anything, but or 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:39.360 I don't know. 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:43.360 Why would you ask if you're going to be arrested? Yeah? 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:45.160 Isn't it a thrill killer? 1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:49.880 So they focus on also why the doctor had no 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:53.560 blood on his hands, because he testified he tried to 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:56.120 pick up his wife's battered body and found and like 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:57.920 find a pulse in her neck. He is a fucking 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:00.160 doctor And this is according to the New York Times, 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.599 So like, why wouldn't you be covered in her blood? Yeah, 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:05.920 So the defense of that, the cops ignored that there 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:09.479 was two other crimes unsolved involving the killing of elderly 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:13.240 people in nearby recreation areas within the previous year, and 1:19:13.280 --> 1:19:17.080 that's according to the Cape Cod Times. All right, so 1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:20.040 what he did have, like he didn't have evidence, really, 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:21.759 but he had testimony he had a lot of support 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:25.240 from friends and family and his three children. The case 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:28.040 did put a divide in the family, so you know, 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:32.240 both Dirk and Mabel's relatives were aiding an investigation. The 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:36.920 victim's sister, Elsa Stark and her daughter Belinda Markle both 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:41.200 testified against him, and in the Boston Harald, Lol, they 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:45.519 called him a sex obsessed wife slayer. And that's like, 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:51.040 I don't know, a cool Halloween costume, I guess, yer, 1:19:51.720 --> 1:19:54.920 I guess A lot of the evidence was circumstantial, and 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:57.759 I do see that. And they had a classic SVU 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:00.479 that like the plastic zipper bags near her b were 1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:01.960 the same ones found in their home. 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:05.880 But you know, yeah, you can't really do that. 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:08.559 But it was a six week trial, four days of 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:11.240 deliberations with the jury, and on June twenty ninth, two 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:14.840 thousand and one, he was found guilty at sixty years old, 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:17.280 a first degree murder and sentenced to life without the 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:21.160 possibility of parole. Stark thinked the jury and did not 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:25.680 look at Grainander at all. And then also there was, 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.240 like I guess, some sort of loophole in the Massachusetts law, 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.920 so that even though he was found guilty for murdering 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:34.040 his wife, he was still the executor of her state estate. 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:38.040 WHOA yeah, Stark had to fight to stop him from 1:20:38.080 --> 1:20:41.639 being entitled to selling her property, investing and distributing assets 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:44.720 all from his cell. He sold their big family home 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:49.040 for four hundred K and then like sold it to 1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:52.080 his youngest daughter's boyfriend for a dollar. I don't know 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:54.920 how that works. That's actually confusing to me, because what 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:56.800 do you mean he sold it and then was able 1:20:56.800 --> 1:20:57.240 to sell it. 1:20:57.160 --> 1:20:59.360 To maybe the house was worth four hundred k and 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:01.680 that's what he saw to the daughter's boyfriend for I 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:02.000 don't know. 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:04.360 That's crazy. And he planned for this. 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.040 So he applied to the Norfolk Probate Court to be 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:11.479 appointed the ex executor of her estate just two months 1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:15.000 after her death, and the application was approved on February seventh, 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:19.040 two thousand, three weeks before he was indicted on a 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:23.280 charge of murder. So and she had and she also 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:25.320 had a will that was signed months before her death 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:28.680 that her husband would inherit everything, but then being convicted 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:32.360 it did disinherit him in the state law. But then 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:36.439 like the application to this state without the will was 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:38.000 like approved. 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:39.320 I don't know, I don't know what's. 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:43.960 Going on in Wellesley, but he wasn't part of her inheritance, 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:47.599 but he was part of like whatever application he did 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.760 to be her state person. Yeah, I don't really know, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.479 but either way, it's like fucked up. The house was 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:56.960 torn down in twenty sixteen, and the last purchase of 1:21:57.000 --> 1:21:58.760 the house was in two thousand and two for six 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.880 hundred and fifty five thousand. According to Zillo, I don't know, 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:03.840 but basically, he had a lot of ducks in a row. 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.040 He was able to do shit with her estate, and 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.000 like her sister was trying to get it back, and 1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:10.760 that just like doesn't seem like an innocent man to me, 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:15.000 you know, Yeah, yeah, but I understand he wants things 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:18.600 for his children, but I doubt that the aunt was 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:21.519 trying to fuck over her sister's children, you know what 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:21.880 I mean. 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:25.400 He doesn't think he committed the crime. 1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:27.800 He's like, I cooperated with cops, but they were only 1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:31.000 focused on me. He believes that the whole trial was 1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:34.080 all about him being involved with sex workers and that 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:37.320 it's not fair. He says he loved his wife and 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:39.439 still does and that the cheating is what made the 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.639 jury convict him. The kids still support him and maintain 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.920 their father's innocence even decades later. There's a quote from 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:48.760 the daughter Brittany, my mother was a fighter. She would 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:51.479 have told us to continue to stand up, continue to 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:54.559 speak the truth, because what other choice do we have. 1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:57.120 But it's like, I don't know, it's worse. I like, 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.800 your mom's dead and watching you defund her killer, but 1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:03.760 it is your dad. Nonetheless, he's in his eighties. He's 1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:06.519 in a medium security prison in Norfolk. Every pro orle 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.920 board like he's been denied parole tons of times, and 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:11.840 there's just like so many articles about him trying to 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:14.640 get out of prison. But basically, parole boards look for 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:17.519 people that have taken responsibility for their crimes, accepted it, 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:19.519 and like want to move forward, and he refuses to 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:23.360 do that. He does not take responsibility. The verdict has 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:28.320 been upheld at every level of appellet review. And yeah, 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:29.960 and if you want to know more, it seems like 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:32.920 this book is cool. A murder in Wellesley and it 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:37.800 seems intense. Yeah, so you can do it, okay, And 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:41.439 then there's one more so. The next case is the 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:44.840 Craig Rabinowitz case. And you know, a tale as old 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:48.280 as time same thing. Family friends, neighbors are like, oh 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:52.639 my god, Craig and Stephanie Rabinowitz are like the perfect couple. 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:55.880 They had a baby daughter, Haley, dream home and an 1:23:56.000 --> 1:24:00.559 upscale They keep saying Mainline neighborhood of Mary in Pennsylvania, and. 1:24:00.800 --> 1:24:03.400 So that's like main Line is like a collection of 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:05.000 these might have a lot of friends that are from 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:05.599 the main Line. 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:07.600 It's like a collection of Philly suburbs. 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:10.679 And she was an attorney and he had a latex 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:14.000 products business. They met when she was Okay, so they 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:16.200 met you. This is so they met when she was 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:18.080 a counselor in training and he was a counselor at 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.599 summer camp and she was sixteen and doing the math 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:23.559 from the ages of the time of the crime. He 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:26.360 was twenty. So that's just something to kind of think about. 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:30.519 But she was a National Merit scholar who went to 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:34.240 Brindmar and then Temple University for law school. He did 1:24:34.280 --> 1:24:38.000 not complete his degree from Temple, and the Washington Post 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:40.120 is trying to shade him for sure, like I think 1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:41.360 every but like no one. 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:42.680 Was like, oh, he's uneducated. 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:45.559 It wasn't like her family didn't think he was good enough, 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:47.160 like everyone liked Craig. 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:52.519 He was a really lover and yeah, everyone was on 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:53.000 top of it. 1:24:53.040 --> 1:24:55.200 She was on her way to have what she thought 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:57.719 was a perfect life for herself, you know, family, great job, 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:02.000 a loving husband. And on April thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven, 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:05.680 shortly after midnight, Craig called police to report that he 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:08.720 had found his wife's lifeless body in the bathtub. She 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:12.000 was twenty nine, he was thirty three. And for days 1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:15.240 loved ones grieved with him. You know, it appeared to 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:18.599 be an accidental death. But then, as the Washington Post 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:23.240 puts it, grief changed to disbelief after an autopsy showed 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:26.400 that Stephanie had not hit her head and drowned like suspected, 1:25:26.439 --> 1:25:27.600 but had been strangled. 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:28.960 Oh my god. 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:31.439 And there was also physical evidence that showed that she 1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:34.479 had bruises on her side and was maybe killed somewhere 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:38.360 else and then drags upstairs to the tub. So May fifth, 1:25:38.439 --> 1:25:41.240 right after his wife's funeral, Craig was arrested and charged 1:25:41.280 --> 1:25:45.360 with the murder. He was dubbed the mainline murderer by 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:47.640 the local news. And he had a secret life and 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:50.320 it was all front page news. He had huge debts, 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:53.720 his company was fake, not real. He fooled everyone on 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:57.000 all accounts, Like all family and friends believed his business 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.479 was legit selling gloves and other Latex products out of 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:03.080 his home, but prosecutors say there's no evidence he conducted 1:26:03.160 --> 1:26:07.120 any real business. The couple apparently was living on Stephanie's salary, 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:09.880 which was like thirty three thousand dollars as a part 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:13.479 time lawyer in a Philadelphia law firm. Yeah, everyone kept like, 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.160 and this amazing job, and it's like, I mean, I 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:16.519 don't know. 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.400 Money was tight, and. 1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:21.320 They bought a two hundred and thirty thousand dollars home 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:24.280 and took out two additional mortgages, borrowing a total of 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:29.920 like three hundred thousand, five hundred and like loans from 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:33.360 friends totaling ten grand. The couple took out a one 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:38.040 point five million dollar insurance policy on Stephanie, naming her 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:44.400 husband the beneficiary, just weeks before her death, And like, so, 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:46.760 what was going on? What was all these debts and 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:49.680 money and everything? While he was spending all on a 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:54.559 stripper named Summer aka Shannon Reinhardt, who danced at a 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:59.240 downtown Philly club, Delilah's Den. Nobody knew this, but he 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:01.840 was spending thousands a week. And when you think that 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:05.080 she's only making thirty three grand, that's. 1:27:04.720 --> 1:27:05.759 Like what. 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:11.560 He was giving her money, gifts, furniture, health club memberships. 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:14.880 He'd been seeing her regularly for about a year, and 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:21.760 he spent almost twenty nine grand visiting Delilah's den Gez Shannon, though, 1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:26.360 said their relationship was only professional and I believe it, well, 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:28.519 I don't know. I mean, maybe she's like but I 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:31.280 kind of like believe that he was de Lulu. You know, 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:34.840 it's like the bombshell. It's like her job is getting 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:40.639 money from you, Like I don't and this wasn't. And 1:27:40.840 --> 1:27:43.919 what's shocking is none of this was new. Court documents 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:47.360 revealed he was caught in a Philadelphia prostitution ring investigation 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:51.840 several years prior, and received immunity from prosecution for his 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:55.720 testimony in March nineteen ninety three. Wow, so everyone is 1:27:55.760 --> 1:28:00.719 stuned and at first her parents ann In Lois Lewis Louis. 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:05.360 At first her parents the Newman's stood behind him and 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:08.800 were down to post collateral for his bail, and then 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:11.479 they were crushed with this news that he like pawned 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:16.240 his wife's jewelry for this stripper and also pawned her 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:20.719 engagement ring within days of her death, according to their attorney, 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:23.720 Neil Epstein's The Washington Post. So like, I don't know, 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:28.880 maybe your daughter Hayley would have wanted that ring. Yeah, 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:31.160 And people close to her don't think she knew or 1:28:31.240 --> 1:28:33.519 like would tolerate and something like this. And the parent, 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:35.960 the parents, to their very core, according to the lawyer, 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:38.880 were like, absolutely, she did not know this. And that's 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:41.000 in the Washington Post. So then he was like in 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:43.240 this crossroads, right, he was in all this debt, all 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:45.400 this stuff. So it's like, Okay, confess your double life 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:48.080 and debt to everyone you know, or murder your wife 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:49.639 and collect life insurance money. 1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:51.160 And that's what he decided to do. 1:28:52.160 --> 1:28:54.000 He was like, Oh, I'm gonna kill the mother of 1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:57.559 my child and then I'm gonna continue living a life 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:58.559 with this stripper. 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:00.680 Like what are you talking about? Out? 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:04.479 Like Jesus, he this motherfucker strangled his wife, set up 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:09.320 a murder scene while his daughter's at home. Like the 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:14.280 daughter's sleeping in her home as you're strangling her mom. 1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:17.600 Like and instead of just being like, yo, I'm in 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.479 debt and I'm a piece of shit like I can't. 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:21.840 I just don't understand. 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:24.559 And this guy also had a suitcase packed thousands in 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.680 cash ready to flee after his wife's funeral. The grandparents 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:31.559 obviously took the one year old daughter, who turned one 1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:34.799 the day of her mother's memorial service. Oh my god. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:39.879 And it's just he's disgusting. And the law firm Stephanie 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:43.080 worked that established a trust for Haley, so someone is 1:29:43.160 --> 1:29:48.719 thinking about her future, pawning the engagement ring after she's set. 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:51.040 After you kill, I mean, it is like, I mean, 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:53.559 the murder is bad enough, but it's just like, yeah, 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:58.480 what a fucking slimeball. His attorneys were trying to investigate 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:01.880 leads of a strange man knocking on neighbors doors, and yeah, 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:06.120 they're like, go fuck yourself. They're like, no, they were 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:08.400 the only there was no sign of fourth century at all. 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:12.080 But while sobbing, he did plead guilty, thank fucking God, 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:15.280 to charges of first degree murder, theft by deception, and 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:19.600 deceptive business practices. He did this, he says, according to 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:21.719 The New York Times, to spare his family the pain 1:30:21.800 --> 1:30:24.400 of a trial. He was sentenced to life in prison 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:28.120 without the possibility of parole. And kind of wild. So 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:31.040 like The New York Times reported about his sentence and 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:35.920 guilty conviction on October thirty first, nineteen ninety seven. So 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:42.519 like two cases to Halloween, sucky, very spooky. But even 1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:44.920 though you know he was claiming someone enter the home 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:46.320 or whatever, he finally admitted it. 1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:48.320 He told Judge Samuel W. 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:51.759 Sallis, two D of Montgomery County Court that he decided 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:55.799 to enter the plea after three dead loved ones. His wife, 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:58.639 father in law, and father visited him in a dream 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:01.880 that he had, and they put their hands on his 1:31:02.120 --> 1:31:04.080 hand and said, crag, it's time for you to do 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:07.080 what's right. It's time for you to do the right thing. 1:31:07.520 --> 1:31:11.600 And that's he's That's why I wish, gosh. 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:13.280 An angel had come to you in your dream and 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:16.040 told you not to murder your fucking innocent wife. I know, 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:21.400 just because you love you love strippers, Jesus Christ. Couple 1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:27.920 of scumbags. Oh my gosh, what an episode. 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:29.639 Thank you for telling me about those crimes. 1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:31.320 I had never heard of either of those, and both 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:33.720 from not very far from where I. 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:35.360 Grew up and was at the time that they happened. 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:39.880 Interesting and no guests today, So let's move right onto 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:43.480 our post mortem of today's episode. 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:53.320 It's a good episode totally. It's the Bartan episode, the 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:59.240 random bar Dan. I love seeing an old, beloved man 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:03.840 from a family sitcom be evil. That's fun too. 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:11.200 I mean this episode is like classic, like also just misogyny. 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:14.400 This man has just like been second fiddle to his 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:16.640 wife his whole life, and then he's like, I just 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:18.920 want to fuck, let me fuck. She's trying to stop 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.280 me from fucking, and so she's just like I'm gonna 1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:23.719 kill her, like it's so, and then he kills another 1:32:23.800 --> 1:32:27.080 woman just to cover up his crime. That poor innocent mona, 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:30.680 like I mean, a truly a truly. 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:34.840 Evil chilling people can snap at any moment. Oh, how 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:38.439 about this not related to this episode, the Terogram chat 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.360 or whatever that has seventy thousand men talking about how 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:45.080 to rape their wives and girlfriends and stuff, fucking chilling. 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:51.080 This guy's in that group probably, and I don't know 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:52.240 the real life crimes. 1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:53.799 It's like I want to say, Wow. 1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:56.759 I can't believe that like a story like that happened, 1:32:56.800 --> 1:32:59.120 and then it jumps right into a TV script. 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:00.599 It's like, no, it happens all time. 1:33:00.640 --> 1:33:03.160 Men are just killing their wives out there, like, uh, 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:07.760 it's nightmare town. But I guess what we learned is, yeah, 1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:10.000 even if you meet your husband at Harvard, be careful 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:12.000 because you might be more successful than him and it's 1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:13.400 going to lead to your downfall. 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:16.720 Yeah. Just there was a clip in my algorithm. 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:22.400 Yeah, like if women make more they there's more likely 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:25.519 chance of divorce. And she'd like, they just get pissed. 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:28.160 If you get promoted, your chances of divorce go up. 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:31.439 It's like these dudes. Honestly, I gotten to not a 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:34.040 tiff online, but it was this thing of like, you know, 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:35.760 men will talk about their issues and be like, well 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:37.240 we're doing this and that it's like, well, yeah, be 1:33:37.280 --> 1:33:40.880 more like women. Like the solution to men's problems is 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:43.640 to be more like women, and they refuse and they 1:33:43.720 --> 1:33:46.839 want to they also want women to solve their problems. 1:33:46.920 --> 1:33:49.200 Yet don't trust us in any capacity or listen in 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:51.800 any way. But it's like, yeah, just like, be chill 1:33:52.120 --> 1:33:55.000 and be like a woman and be more like us, 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:58.920 and then maybe you won't all be lonely and dying alone. 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:00.000 I don't know what to tell you. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:03.080 Literally, the plot of Mowana, like the plot of Mowana 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:07.080 is that she handles it like the way a woman 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:10.840 would handle it rather than fighting and like you know, 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:12.920 muscles and magic and whatever. 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:14.439 So anyway, just. 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:18.400 You know, gotta give a shit always always goes back 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:20.760 to Mawana. But like, yeah, no one will listen to her. 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:23.000 She's just a girl, she's a prince at whatever. Like 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:24.759 no one will listen to her. And then she's fucking 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:28.160 the one that that does it. But yeah, it's so true. 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:31.120 That's why I was like, not to bring it back 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:33.599 with a new year. We're gonna be positive. But like 1:34:33.880 --> 1:34:36.960 I was like, let's just give a woman president a shot. 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:39.800 Let's just see what fucking happens. We've done it the 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:43.519 same way forty seven times. Let's try it a different way, 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:46.320 and no one will. They just they don't see us 1:34:46.320 --> 1:34:49.000 as people. They don't respect us. They've shown it time 1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:50.960 and time again. I don't know what the game is. 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:53.920 And now they're pissed. Now oh oh the banging. There's 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:57.240 banging my radiator as people are online are calling it 1:34:57.240 --> 1:34:59.320 the sword fighting. People think it sounds like there's a 1:34:59.360 --> 1:34:59.840 sword fight. 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:06.320 Now that's all I'm gonna think about on guard. Oh yeah, 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:09.120 and now and now that women have like the power 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.080 to be like no, we're just gonna work, or in 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.360 South Korea like yeah, we're just not gonna get like 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:15.880 get away from us. Now they're like, well, then you're 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:17.800 not gonna be able to get divorced, and we're you're 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:20.439 gonna give birth whenever we want you to, like, and 1:35:20.479 --> 1:35:23.080 you're not gonna go to school. And I was seeing 1:35:23.080 --> 1:35:27.120 this thing of like any time like something becomes more 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:30.400 for women than it becomes devalued. So now that more 1:35:30.439 --> 1:35:33.759 women are in college, now like uh, no one needs college. 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:36.680 You don't need to college anymore. Yeah, And I was 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:39.599 like that's so interesting. It's like they I don't know. 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.439 I don't know, because then they bring us their issues 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:44.760 of like well then we're at war and then we're 1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:47.280 depressed and we're this and it's all on us, and 1:35:47.320 --> 1:35:50.080 it's like, oh, yeah, if you if you just like 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:53.920 act different and let women lead, maybe things will change. 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:55.800 But they can't. They can't. Yeah. 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:58.320 It's like and it's also like in the aftermath of this, 1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:01.640 like Giselle pellicoat, this woman in France has become like 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:05.439 a woman's like you know, she's become like this iconic 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:09.320 figure of like resilience and strength and survivorship and the 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.439 not all mening that's happening, Like all in the comments, 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:14.000 it's like men won't even. 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:16.599 Post about it. Men won't even post about it. If 1:36:16.600 --> 1:36:18.760 it's not all men, then why aren't you horrified? Like 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:21.200 why aren't you horrified? You're singing, I can't believe men 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:23.040 are doing it. It's like when it's like the same 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:25.360 as cops. It's like no, no, no, no, you all know 1:36:25.439 --> 1:36:27.360 what's happening. You see it all the time, and now 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.360 this huge thing, and I don't think there's one man 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:32.280 that posted it in my whole algorithm. 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:34.360 I know, I'm trying to think if I saw and. 1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:36.880 Maybe a gay here or there, but like I really, 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:39.960 I have not seen any one post about it that's 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:40.599 not a woman. 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:43.719 And we can't even it's we don't have enough time, 1:36:43.800 --> 1:36:46.240 but we can't like maybe next week we get into 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:48.120 Baldoni Lively. 1:36:48.360 --> 1:36:50.960 Are you following any of that? I am, but I 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:55.320 just am exhausted. It's fine. 1:36:56.040 --> 1:36:59.840 I don't know, Like I literally I was on this 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:04.400 other podcasts like months ago before this all came out, going, 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:06.840 are they making up all of this drama between the 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:08.600 stars so that the movie does well, and then the 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:10.400 movie did so well, and I was like, this feels 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:12.360 like a marketing thing. It feels like almost like the 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:14.559 spitting thing that happened with Don't Worry Darling. 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:16.040 You know. I was like, are they making this up? 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:18.640 All this drama because the movie did so well and 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.320 I knew nothing about the book and whatever. But now 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:24.840 it's like reading the thing, I think it's possible to 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:28.120 not like Blake Lively. And also she has been very 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.679 mistreated by this man and the people at his production company. 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:36.439 For me, is like he went alone, like no one 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:40.800 was with him. Mm hmmm. Also who is he? Like? 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:43.679 That's my thing too. It's like I cant believe. Suddenly 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:45.960 we're like listening. I've never even heard of this man. 1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:48.920 He's from Jane the Virgin and he literally I'm like, 1:37:49.040 --> 1:37:52.080 something is a red flag about a guy buying a 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:56.040 female written story about domestic violence and going I want 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:56.959 to play the abuser. 1:37:57.200 --> 1:37:58.760 That's my I want to buy this movie. I want 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:00.240 to buy the rights and I want to make I 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:02.880 don't want to be the abuser. Like that's you know, 1:38:03.320 --> 1:38:03.680 I don't know. 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:05.880 We interview people all the time on this podcast who 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.040 are like, oh, I love playing the bad guy. Sure, 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:11.360 it's just I don't know. And then this all comes out. 1:38:11.439 --> 1:38:13.960 It's like, I don't know, I'm getting a weird feeling 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:17.720 about him. But let's move on to. 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:20.920 But the fact that he hired the same prs these 1:38:20.960 --> 1:38:25.840 bad people is like to smear women. I mean, that's 1:38:25.840 --> 1:38:27.720 what we said with the Johnny Depp amber Herd Like 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:30.400 it's it's had a very bad precedent, and it's gonna 1:38:30.400 --> 1:38:34.719 make it even harder for victims because men are more worried, 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:37.639 that's yeah, more worried about like being with their bros 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:42.880 Than protecting women of any kind, like they will never yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:46.240 it's disappointing. So I've been my whole break, like I've 1:38:46.280 --> 1:38:50.160 been going back and forth like penduluming from I'm gonna 1:38:50.240 --> 1:38:50.840 enjoy it all. 1:38:51.000 --> 1:38:52.040 One day when I'm. 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:54.920 In like doing hard labor in a factory, when my 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:58.599 career has been stripped away, I can remember that these 1:38:58.680 --> 1:39:03.280 times of relaxation and enjoyment and you know, living my dream. 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:06.000 So I'm there and then I and then I. 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:10.320 Spiral about the future and what will it be like 1:39:10.439 --> 1:39:11.519 starving and cold? 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:13.720 I don't know, Well, yeah, well, what will they make us. 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:16.200 Where are the labor camps? You know, I'm interested in 1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:17.120 all the details. 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:20.080 So then so I go from like yes, yes, yes, 1:39:20.160 --> 1:39:22.040 to oh no, but I think that's ever I'm not 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:22.599 being you know. 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:25.920 Yeah, I don't think you're being no. Everybody's trying to 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:26.639 like be positive. 1:39:26.640 --> 1:39:28.360 It's the new year, but then also like the new 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:31.200 year just started with like all these like tragedies and 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:32.599 fucking bombings, and. 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:35.040 But have one man say something to me, I will 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:39.720 punch you in your throat, like, honestly, just fucking try me. 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:41.280 That's where I'm at. 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:43.599 This is not the year for talking to us men. 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:46.280 It's not it. It's not it. You can't We're not 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:50.439 allowing it. Let's let's get into what would Sister PEG 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:52.959 do our weekly segment where we give you more information 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:57.040 about what we talked about in today's episode. And honestly, 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:00.600 this week I wanted to direct you, guys. I was 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:05.439 inspired by the work of the poor deceased murder victim 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:09.000 in SVU, who was doing contact tracing, and so I 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:12.320 wanted to point you to this CDC article about contact tracing. 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:15.120 I know it came up big in COVID, but this 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:18.080 article explains like the history of contact tracing, how it 1:40:18.160 --> 1:40:21.439 helped eradicate smallpox. I think how it's helped a lot 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:25.439 of disease control. And you know this, in these trying 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:28.120 times where maha is abounding, I would like us to 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:31.679 still listen to science if we can. This article even 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:33.880 has an activity section where you can conduct a little 1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:37.439 disease transmission experiment using baking soda or vinegar. 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:38.960 Ooh la la, I think I know what I'm doing 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:42.040 with my kids after school. So for more info, head 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:45.040 over to CDC dot gov. And that link will as 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:49.000 always be posted in our show notes and on a 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:50.960 in a story that we put up the dat this 1:40:51.040 --> 1:40:53.120 episode comes out and those are saved forever in our 1:40:53.240 --> 1:40:57.880 WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page. Thank you so much, 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:03.360 and we will be doing baggage. 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