WEBVTT - John Muir: Outdoor Enthusiast

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there, and there's Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Roland there and this is the Stuff you Should Know

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<v Speaker 1>and outdoors. The addition, if there ever was American master's voice,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, it's got a little Bob Ross too. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy birthday Bob Dylan. By the way, Happy eightieth birthday

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the great legends. Speaking of great Bob's Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how is that I propos of anything

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<v Speaker 1>he said? Bob? There's a lot of online congratulations going around.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, So throw me in there. I know you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about Bob Dylan, but I do. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And you apparently you don't care about John York because boy,

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<v Speaker 1>you were snaughty about this. I have no problem with

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<v Speaker 1>John Muir. Well that's not exactly the only one. Other

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<v Speaker 1>people doing stuff. It's a whatever. Let's just get into this,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we. So we're talking John your today, and that

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<v Speaker 1>name might sound familiar if you're not a member of

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<v Speaker 1>this yer club. If you are remembers the club, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably just dropped to your knees and did the secret

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<v Speaker 1>sign when I said John Muir. I just had to

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<v Speaker 1>do it again because I said John Muir. And there

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<v Speaker 1>it goes again. Every time we say John Muir, the

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<v Speaker 1>Yer Club members have to do something weird. Or if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever hiked any portion of the John your trail

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<v Speaker 1>that was named after him? Is that in Yosemite. It's

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<v Speaker 1>in California. Okay, Yeah, that's it's part of its in Yosemite.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I should have looked that up. Well, he is,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked that because he's basically synonymous with Yosemity. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge driving force in getting Yosemite um into

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<v Speaker 1>national park status and then fully becoming the Yosemite that

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<v Speaker 1>we understand it today. No, I haven't, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to because I saw some pictures online. Looks really

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<v Speaker 1>not Uh. I've been to quite a few amazing national

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<v Speaker 1>parks in the United States, and not all of them

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<v Speaker 1>sump in the Yellowstone um, but I've been to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them. In Yosemite is really it's really up

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<v Speaker 1>there is one of the more special places. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty incredible. Um. But so John mur he but he

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<v Speaker 1>played a huge role in Yosemite becoming a national park.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like it's really kind of selling short the

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<v Speaker 1>impact that he had on um the creation of our

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<v Speaker 1>national park system, but also like the idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>a national park is, what wilderness is, what needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be protected, how we protected. He was certainly not working

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum in that sense that he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tapped into this larger way of thinking, for better

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<v Speaker 1>or worse. But he was a huge driving force and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons he was a huge driving force

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<v Speaker 1>for getting America into preserving wild spaces the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the Second Industrial Revolution was just minting money and building

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<v Speaker 1>railroads and just turning America into a powerhouse. Um because

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<v Speaker 1>he he walked the walk, for sure. He was He

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<v Speaker 1>was not just some you know Eastern you know Greenhorn

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<v Speaker 1>who who had never set foot in the wilderness, but

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea of it, right, he went and lived

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<v Speaker 1>it for sure. Like he did some really wild stuff

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<v Speaker 1>while he was living in Yosemite at the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, later when he was in his late thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>he was hooked up with Ralph Waldo Emerson, who was older,

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<v Speaker 1>and they really bonded. They went on a camping trip

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<v Speaker 1>together and um, I think Emerson was like, what you

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<v Speaker 1>need to do is come back to Boston, Emerson or

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<v Speaker 1>thora Emerson, and he said, you need to come back

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<v Speaker 1>to Boston and be among the intelligency advocating for this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time John your was like, no way, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I gotta I gotta be in the woods from

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<v Speaker 1>Roccer dude through and through. Yeah, And Uh, it would

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<v Speaker 1>not be until later in his in his um kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mid to late forties, his his life was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of been two parts. It was the wild exploring and

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<v Speaker 1>categorizing and botanical categorization of everything he could find, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the mid forties on when he uh was very

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<v Speaker 1>much a political advocate and uh kind of did that

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<v Speaker 1>because he felt he had to. He would have rather

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<v Speaker 1>he had a T shirt on the whole time that

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<v Speaker 1>said I'd rather be camping, right. But I also saw

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<v Speaker 1>that he went back after a little bit of a hiatus,

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<v Speaker 1>I think like a nine month hiatus towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>when he finally left Yosemite for good, um, and he

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<v Speaker 1>felt like he was an intruder there, like he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like his time there was done and he knew that

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<v Speaker 1>he had to be out of there in the world

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<v Speaker 1>to advocate for it for the preservation of this area.

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<v Speaker 1>But also that he like he just he felt like

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<v Speaker 1>that chapter was closed. So interesting. Yeah, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>they They always say no, no when it's time to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess he did the always say that. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about John. You're starting even younger than that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with minute one. He was born at eight.

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<v Speaker 1>He Scottish heritage. He was born in Dunbar and came

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<v Speaker 1>to the US when he was eleven. Uh. He and

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<v Speaker 1>his family settled in Wisconsin, eventually in Hickory Hill on

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<v Speaker 1>an eighty acre farm near Portage. His father was a

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<v Speaker 1>very stern Calvinist. Uh, super religious. Yeah, like it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of if you ever seen the movie The Witch, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of along those lines where such a great punishment was

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<v Speaker 1>very heavy and strict. If you beat your child because

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't memorized Bible verse to your satisfaction, you may

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<v Speaker 1>be over the over the line. I think I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go so far as to say there was

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<v Speaker 1>physical abuse, but there was, oh there was with his father, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>for that reason. Okay, I mean I saw like corporal punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>but like you know, these days, spanking a kid is abuse, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where it fell on the meter back then,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I well, I can't say where it fell

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<v Speaker 1>on the meter. I can't say either. But yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>would be but today he would be imprisoned probably. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the reasons John Muir became John Muir's

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<v Speaker 1>because of his father, because his the wilderness in Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 1>was his refuge and his literal escape to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get away from him. So who knows what would have

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<v Speaker 1>been you know, what would have happened had his father

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<v Speaker 1>not been like that? Yeah, And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>fully mischaracterize his father, just partially. Um he was, he

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<v Speaker 1>was very stern. But John Muir was convinced that his

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<v Speaker 1>father loved him still and cared about him, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was even maybe a little bit proud of him in

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that he deviated from what his father wanted

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<v Speaker 1>for him. And one of the main ways that he

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<v Speaker 1>deviated from him was in book learning. Basically, like all

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<v Speaker 1>his father was turned with was his his boys working

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<v Speaker 1>the land, farming, knowing farming, and knowing the Bible. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need to know anything else. But that wasn't enough

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<v Speaker 1>for job. You're he was basically a born tinker, a

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<v Speaker 1>born engineer, but he did not have free time. His

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<v Speaker 1>father was like, you're either working in the field, or

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<v Speaker 1>you're studying the Bible, or you're getting hit with the

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<v Speaker 1>switch by me, it's one of those three things what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing for all of your waking hours. And so John,

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<v Speaker 1>you're hit upon the idea of expanding his waking hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as a youth, he started waking up at

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<v Speaker 1>one in the morning so that he could have five

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<v Speaker 1>hours to himself between one am and six am when

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<v Speaker 1>he was expected to start working on the farm, to

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<v Speaker 1>just read or tinker or invent. And he actually used

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<v Speaker 1>that to really great effects. Yeah, so he made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of little inventions. Uh. There was one called an

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<v Speaker 1>early rising machine, which was basically a alarm clock attached

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<v Speaker 1>to his bed that would quite literally tip his bed

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<v Speaker 1>up and tip him out of it. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling that he needed it because he's getting up

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<v Speaker 1>at one a m Anyway, his father used it. But

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually would go to the State Fair in Madison

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty with a lot of his inventions and

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of a boy wonder inventor. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two at the time. Well, but he was I

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<v Speaker 1>think he had invented a lot of stuff in his

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<v Speaker 1>teen years too though. But imagine like you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two in the eighteen eighties or sixties, Like imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>middle aged guy showing up to the four h fair

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<v Speaker 1>being like can I enter one of the things a

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<v Speaker 1>big relationship in his life that would last throughout his life. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he studied with a man named Ezra Carr, and his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane car became a really big mentor for him and

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<v Speaker 1>exposed him to uh, you know botany basically like she

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<v Speaker 1>was a scientist and he loved the outdoors, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, but botany is like a real science

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and was a really big influence in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Introduced him to Emerson later like literally picked out a

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<v Speaker 1>wife for him that was like this is who you

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<v Speaker 1>need to marry because she can support you an hatchmaker

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<v Speaker 1>then too because it seems like it because they loved

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<v Speaker 1>each other very much, and um, she was totally fine

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<v Speaker 1>with his comings and goings and all that. They were

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<v Speaker 1>good together. Comings and goings is in going or Japan

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<v Speaker 1>or something that made it sound a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dalliances. No, No, nothing like that. No, As

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, I read that, um, he left

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<v Speaker 1>Yosemite at one point because of unwanted attention from a woman. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like he was camping in this lady hiked by

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<v Speaker 1>and looked at him, and he's like, I'm out. He Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't interesting dude, and that he was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like a hermit, but apparently also really enjoyed these one

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<v Speaker 1>on one conversations with the people he would meet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like he was kind of build as a

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<v Speaker 1>wild man of the wilderness, but he very much craved

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<v Speaker 1>and needed human interaction as well. It's yeah, very odd.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually one way or the other in that sense,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah. So he's working eventually the industrial part

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<v Speaker 1>of his life because he was such a good tinker

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<v Speaker 1>and engineer. He got work, uh, doing stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And in March of eighteen sixty seven, he's working at

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<v Speaker 1>a carriage part shop in Indianapolis. His h and all pierced,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally went into his eye and pierced it, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a while he was blind in both eyes because

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It was such a bad wound that his

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<v Speaker 1>other eye was like I'm out too, Yeah, just because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for my buddy over there. Sympathy blindness. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was a very monumental injury because after this

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, you know what, forget this stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to ever be around another machine with moving

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<v Speaker 1>parts again. And I just want to walk. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that he bade a do you to all my mechanical inventions,

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<v Speaker 1>determined to devote the rest of my life to the

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<v Speaker 1>study of all the inventions of God. Yeah, he stayed religious,

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<v Speaker 1>we should point out he was. It's not like because

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<v Speaker 1>of his dad he went to atheist or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>In all of his writings and talking about the natural world,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all ezekiel, ezekiel, ezekiel. Well, it's all very spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>and God oriented. He was like, this is my church

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<v Speaker 1>though exactly the outdoors, which I can, you know, respect

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<v Speaker 1>on a certain level. He he he loved creation with

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<v Speaker 1>the capital C. Sure so um. When he's wandering, like

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<v Speaker 1>he really wandered. He was kind of a Johnny apples

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<v Speaker 1>E type almost. He walked from Indiana, where the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he recovered from his all injury, um, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down to cedar Key, Florida on the Gulf Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a thousand miles. He just walked down there

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<v Speaker 1>and pretty quickly too caught malaria and cedar ki almost died, recovered,

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<v Speaker 1>sailed to the Cuba from there, sailed on to Panama

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<v Speaker 1>from there, and made it all the way to San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently there's a story that may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>be true where he got to San Francisco. Was immediately

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by this the hustle and bustle and city, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the how what's the fastest way out of the city.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the deal. He got right out of

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<v Speaker 1>there and the guy, the guy he asked, said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>where you want to go? He said, anywhere wild and

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<v Speaker 1>he pointed him in the direction of Yosemite, and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>walked three hundred biles to Yosemite and fell in love.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And on the way out of town, someone selled,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't forget the rice RONEI it's the San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>treat and he went, what sure, Jerry's like, Jerry like

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<v Speaker 1>disgusted by the joke. Yeah, he split immediately to get

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<v Speaker 1>out there and went to California and uh, he's in California. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Yosemite. He went to Yosemite, but he

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<v Speaker 1>walked right, and he walked because for a very specific reason.

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<v Speaker 1>He walked because that was the most intimate way to

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<v Speaker 1>see the botanic and and uh and write about the

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<v Speaker 1>botanic world around him. Yeah, because this was a time

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<v Speaker 1>when you could be like remember our bone Moor's episode

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<v Speaker 1>that you hooked us up with who Bone Wars, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this is a time where like you or I could

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<v Speaker 1>just start studying books and be like, Okay, I'm a paleontologist, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a botanist, Okay, I'm a geologist. All this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>These these fields were so young that anybody who had

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<v Speaker 1>like half a brain and like a pencil and a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper could basically contribute to the field. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I guess he was doing along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely did that in Yosemity. Oh yeah, he did

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<v Speaker 1>that everywhere he went. And it's a good lesson to

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember in when Emily and I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. I had a couple of times where I

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<v Speaker 1>had to drive to my mechanic and leave my car

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<v Speaker 1>And this was pre ride share services and taxis were

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<v Speaker 1>basically non existent in l A. So I would walk

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<v Speaker 1>these long distances home and you you just you notice everything,

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<v Speaker 1>like these neighborhoods that I drove around every day all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and you would just notice, like can study

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<v Speaker 1>every house, every mailbox, every driveway, and it's really just

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<v Speaker 1>a lesson to people to like to walk places when

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<v Speaker 1>you can. There's a group in the UK I think

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<v Speaker 1>called Amblers. Yeah, we talked about the months, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're basically they I think their motto is there

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated the idea that humans human locomotion should be no

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<v Speaker 1>more than like three and a half miles an hour

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<v Speaker 1>at the speed you walk, you know, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you take in everything. It's absolutely true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my two favorite speeds or two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour and like the expressways, right, yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>do the two? Um? So John mirror makes it to Yosemity.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we taken a break yet? I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great place for a break, don't you. He's entering

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<v Speaker 1>Yosemite for the first time. Everybody imagine it. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>John mirrors in Yosemite and he decides that he needs

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of work. Um. I think he stayed

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<v Speaker 1>the first time for like ten days. And a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who know something about John Murror and especially

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<v Speaker 1>associated with Yosemite in the National Parks basically think he

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<v Speaker 1>showed up in Yosemite and never left and lived and

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<v Speaker 1>died there. That's not true. He lived there for about

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<v Speaker 1>a six year period, I think, Yeah, eighteen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>years of his life. Yeah, so eighteen sixty eight to

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy four I leave, Yeah, and those were a

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<v Speaker 1>very like California just totally rocked his world once he

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<v Speaker 1>got out there, Yeah, because he was living in Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, basically anywhere would rock your world. But

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<v Speaker 1>imagine showing up to California in the mid nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>or late nineteenth century and seeing it. Yeah, and especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you've I remember when I did my big out

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<v Speaker 1>west trip years ago with my best friend over like

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<v Speaker 1>four months in the summer, driving through Utah and Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>and everywhere. It's just so blazing hot. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>you drive over, especially southern California, California, and you drive

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<v Speaker 1>over that mountain range, it's like someone turned on the

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<v Speaker 1>air conditioning, and I just remember thinking, like, man, imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what it must have been like for westward expansion when

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<v Speaker 1>they finally got into the l A Basin, We're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa in the l A Basin? Yeah, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>go with that mountain range and it's just the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean breezes are just kind of lock been there. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hot on the other side then high Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like Death Valley. I'm not I'm not up on my

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<v Speaker 1>California geography. I think Germany's landlock can right now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very lovely and cool near the coast, so um so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine what it must have been like as

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<v Speaker 1>like a nineteenth century traveler or something like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>um he uh. When John Muir got there, as I

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, um he, he stayed for like ten days.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I need some money, and he went back.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he hitched a ride or else, walked back,

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<v Speaker 1>got some more money, and then he came back to

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<v Speaker 1>some He's like, I'm staying here for a while. So

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<v Speaker 1>he got work in Yosemite as a sheep herder. One

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<v Speaker 1>of his first jobs was hurting two thousand sheep up

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<v Speaker 1>into the sierras. Of it. He hated it. He learned

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<v Speaker 1>to hate sheep. He called them hoofed locusts. And he

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<v Speaker 1>started to despise sheep because he thought that they had an,

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<v Speaker 1>um a disproportionately bad impact on the natural surroundings. Just

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<v Speaker 1>eight they did. They kind of have a Yosemite to

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<v Speaker 1>a large degree, right, So he came to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>see livestock as an extension of human occupation of these

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<v Speaker 1>wild lands and how detrimental it wasn't It really occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to him during this first little, you know, a few

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<v Speaker 1>months period where he was a sheep arter. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think also the horse and the horses that led

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<v Speaker 1>people on expeditions and stuff, they also overgrazed and the

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<v Speaker 1>cattle overgrazed, and they were logging. And Yosemite was I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was under the the care of the state

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<v Speaker 1>of California. It's a state park at this point because

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<v Speaker 1>it had been gifted by well, not gifted, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a land grant from Abraham Lincoln in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War to California. He said, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what I'm gonna do for you, You take Yosemite.

0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.480
<v Speaker 1>But it was it was really mismanaged and just um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, compared to what they're doing now, was in

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty bad state. Yeah, which is one reason why

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<v Speaker 1>John Muir was pushing for it to become a national park,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it would be under the care of the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, who hopefully would enforce the laws of preservation

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more than California had. So he shows up

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<v Speaker 1>in Yosemite, he starts shepherding. He but more than anything,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that he became known for was these jaunts

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<v Speaker 1>where he would become like the first white man to

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<v Speaker 1>scale Cathedral Rock. Um, he would like not all these

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<v Speaker 1>fossil formations and take samples of them and send him

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<v Speaker 1>back to like the newly forming University of California. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>he would like submit botany like descriptions like he was

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<v Speaker 1>just basically it's like exploring Yosemite and documenting the whole

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<v Speaker 1>place while at the same time, um taking notes for

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<v Speaker 1>what would become a series of like books, essays. Like

0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>he really made his name as like a writer, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he made a career for himself just as a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>We think of him as like this concept asianist naturalist,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where he was coming from. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>time he was a successful writer. And after he left Yosemite, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean another big kind of central relationship for him

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<v Speaker 1>was a man named Robert Underwood Johnson, who um was

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<v Speaker 1>the editor of Century Magazine, and Century Magazine was very

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<v Speaker 1>much a sort of a progressive naturalist rag and he

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and we should say that this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not like this is the most interesting parts of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. Like he also worked for a decade or

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<v Speaker 1>more on once he got married. He married a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Louis Luisa Wanda stren Cel in eighteen eighty and

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<v Speaker 1>her family had had a couple of daughters, Wanda and Helen,

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<v Speaker 1>and her family had a fruit farm, fruit ranch, and

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<v Speaker 1>he lived there in Martinez, California, UM and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>quit doing his adventuring for a full decade and ran

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<v Speaker 1>this farm and worked as a farmer. So all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff was going on, and then Robert Underwood Johnson basically

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<v Speaker 1>doggedly pursued uh mirror and said, listen, man, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>we need you. You gotta start writing again, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>the foremost naturalist in the country right now according to

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<v Speaker 1>me and only me, and we need you to start

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<v Speaker 1>writing some stuff and start pushing for political change. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was working on this farm this whole time, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually he was like, all right, you know what do

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<v Speaker 1>you what do you got for me? So the reason

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson saw him out was because he had made a

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<v Speaker 1>name for himself even while he was still living in Yosemite,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can kind of look at mirrors life like,

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<v Speaker 1>he went and got all of the experience he could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly need in these six years living basically the that

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<v Speaker 1>whole stretch in Yosemite, and then went in like and

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<v Speaker 1>use that experience. Is that like a nomad land reference?

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<v Speaker 1>Living deliberately? Now, wasn't that throw Oh yeah, I went

0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.399
<v Speaker 1>to the woods deliberate deliberately Living deliciously is from the

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<v Speaker 1>which um. But but it was basically like, imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>like you had like a crazy six year period in

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<v Speaker 1>your twenties and then you spent the rest of your

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<v Speaker 1>life exploiting that, writing about it, talking about it, making

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<v Speaker 1>a name for yourself, being a cause celeb from that experience.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's basically what he did. Yeah. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people that did that. Yeah, who else?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I well, there is a great example.

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<v Speaker 1>He went and lived at Walden for what a year?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was like we're still talking about that guy today,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, that's true. And I've even heard that

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<v Speaker 1>Walden Pond was like town was right there. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the the pizza hutt next to the pyramids, that's right,

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of like that. But yeah, so me're. Another big

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<v Speaker 1>important relationship that he made was with a president named

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<v Speaker 1>Theodore Roosevelt, and THEO Theodore Roosevelt is known for um

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<v Speaker 1>the two million acres of federal land that he acted,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, but Mure was a big reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Roosevelt was into preservation anyway. It's not like

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Mure came in and completely like change his mind about everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But Roosevelt knew about him and and quite literally said,

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<v Speaker 1>I I would like you to take me camping in

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yosemite for four days. He said, just the two of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't they have to like give the the um Secret

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<v Speaker 1>Service the slip? Well, I think there was secret service there,

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<v Speaker 1>because apparently they just never shut up in the Secret

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Service people, and like one of their journals said, like

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>these two like won't shut up. All they're doing is

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<v Speaker 1>just yammering at each other about the woods. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know they gave him the slip or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know that originally their request was the Roosevelt was

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't want anyone around, man, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>you and I to get out there in the woods

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and like talk about this stuff. Yeah, like wax mustache

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<v Speaker 1>to wax mustache, that's right. So he works hand in

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<v Speaker 1>hand with Roosevelt to do a lot of work. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the first or one of the first national monuments

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:02.120
<v Speaker 1>they established was Petrified Force and Arizona, which um he

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>went out there and was like, oh, this place is

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of cool. He moved there for his daughter's health apparently,

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and while he was there, he's like, oh, there's a

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>petrifive force. I'll just start submitting fossil. Yeah. He just

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 1>did the same thing there as an older man that

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>he did earlier at Yosemite. Yeah. And I think the

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>deal with Yosemite was because it was a state park.

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>The actual Yosemite Valley wasn't part of the park boundaries.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 1>That Mariposa Grove of those giant Sequoia trees wasn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>part of the boundary, and Muro was like, man, this

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 1>this is what needs to be a part of the

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>boundary more than anything. Yeah, So that was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first things that UM, the Sierra Club took up.

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 1>It was like basically their first initiative. And John Muir's

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>synonymous with the Sierra Club because he was the first president.

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<v Speaker 1>He was for I think this who basically twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. He died, Yeah, he died into

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and he became the president of security Sierra Club in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen nine two. So um, he helped found this organization

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that's still around today. Then one of the first initiatives,

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>one of their first pushes, was to get the Yosemite

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<v Speaker 1>Valley and the what's the name of the forest, the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariposa Mariposa Forest, the Secoya Grove included into the boundaries

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of the National Park. And they were finally successful in

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>nine six and from that success, they just started having

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>more and more successes and eventually expanded because initially they

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>were focused on the West basically because that's where all

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 1>these people who founded the Club lived and that's what

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>they cared about. They said, well, there's other places where

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>this battle needs to be fought, and they became this

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>national advocacy group that will sue your pants off if

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>you try to mess with the National Park. Yeah, they

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>opened an office in d c and sixty three and

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like you said, went off, you know, Alaska, Florida very

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>key in trying to get things like the Clean Air

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Act pass, the Wilderness Act, the e p A created

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy and UH, Alaska's kind of key too

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in mirrors life because he he gets engaged to Louis

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.479
<v Speaker 1>and I think in those days you kind of got

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.719
<v Speaker 1>just got engaged and got married pretty quickly. Like there

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>there were there weren't these long drawn out engagements, but

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't his case, because he was like, all right,

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>we're engaged. You're you are a good match, thank you,

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Geane carr Um. But I'm gonna go to Alaska now,

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And he did. He went to Alaska for a period.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 1>And if you think Alaska is like, you know, uncharted

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and wild now, like, imagine what it was like back then.

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure his diary was like what no snakes? Amazing?

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>What the heck is this place? But like I said,

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>they eventually did get married and have those daughters, and

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>she very sadly passed away in nineteen o five of cancer. Yeah,

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and he um like he had to go home to

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>be with her when she died, like he was away

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>when she was partially, UH for part of the time

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>when she was sick. Well, that's sad. It's very very sad.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess that explains why he and his daughters were

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>the only ones that moved to Arizona for his daughter's health. Then,

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess I think, so, okay, that's sad because she

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>supposedly was well known for her Um. I saw that

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 1>she was a very gentle person, a very sweet person. Yeah,

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and very supportive of his efforts. Like what's truly a

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 1>good match. She loved the wilderness and nature and God

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and all those things. Oh, she loved God. Don't get

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>her started on God. She would take her second break.

0:27:33.119 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I think so. All right, So we're talking about John

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>mur in the Sierra Club Chuck and and it's really

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>hard to understate what mirror impact. No, yes, um, what

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>impact he had, because like I said, he was a

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>successful writer. He was really good at writing. And also

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>he did really crazy stuff like riding an avalanche. Um.

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>There's a very famous essay that he wrote called the

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Windstorm in the Forest, UM that he describes what it

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>was like to climb up the top of a pine

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>tree and hang on for hours during a storm in

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the Sierras, and how awesome nuts it was. Um, and

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and like just basically saying like this, this is real,

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>this is nature, Like you could if you go out

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to these places, you could do this stuff. But this,

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.479
<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be around if we keep

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>building railroads through these places where we build dams, or

0:28:56.640 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>we let livestock just graze wherever, like we an just

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>not do something about. It has to be preserved and protected.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And he inspired people during his lifetime and long after

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>his lifetime as well. Yeah, I think the I watched

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>a pretty cool American Masters documentary on this, and um,

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>this one guy with historian was like this was a

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit of macho involved, like he was this great naturalist.

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Not to take anything away, but like riding the avalanche

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and like climbing a tree during a snowstorm at the

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>top or a rainstorm at the top of the mountain.

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>He said, there was a little like makismo involved in that.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, or or body from Point Break? Wait was

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that Patrick? Um? Yeah? Or was it Kiano can Reis?

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>That was Johnny Utah my friend. Oh that's right, so

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Bodie was or was that Flee from the Peppers? But

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it was actually Anthony Keti Ketas that was in Point

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Break sure he may have been in it, but Ketis

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>was one of the Ruffians. I got his foot shot off.

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I think no, no, I know he was the leader

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Bad Guys Surfer Club, but I think Fleet

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>was in that club. I think, well, what was he

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>naked except for a sock on this? Probably pants? Pants

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>made of Teddy bears? Do we take our second break? Yeah,

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>we just didn't. So but I was leading up to something.

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>So we've been talking about what a great guy John

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Muir was and that's how he was, um looked at

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and respected for decades and decades, a century actually more.

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Um he was looked at a great man. Maybe a

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>little macho, sure, but that's forgivable. If that much he's

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>moo is directed towards riding a tree in a storm

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>rather than you know, picking bar fights in Lisbon or

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>something like that. You know, thank you so um. When

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>we did our episode on Girl Scouts, I talked about how,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>like Juliette Gordon Lowe was one of the rare historic

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>figures from a century or so ago that you were like,

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and actually she holds up today. John Miror is not

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that same way. There there's a real um. I guess

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a mia Kolpa sort of a reckoning. Yeah, that's a

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>great way to put it. That's exactly what it was.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>A reckoning by the Sierra Club not too many years ago,

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>where they basically said, hey, John here was great in

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>all these ways, he was also pretty racist. And yeah,

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>he was a product of his time and the way

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>of thinking, which we'll talk about, um, but he was

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>still pretty racist. And in fact, the whole basis of

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the National Park system was built on this racist ideology,

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's we're still basically looking at it the same

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>way today. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because the Sierra

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Club even acknowledged that our first our first years as

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>a as a as a group was based on the

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 1>notion of white people trying to protect the land that

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>white people wanted to hike through and enjoys as campers

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and recreationalists. And in his earlier years, I think kind

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of through his thirties, up until his thirties, he had

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of bad things to say about people of color,

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>whether it was indigenous people's uh in the United States

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>or black people, and um used disparaging language towards them,

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>which the whole thing with the indigenous people's is really

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>counterintuitive because they were so aligned with his philosophies of

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>how you and habit a land and share a land

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and use it and don't abuse it, and you know, uh,

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't make much sense. And supposedly he I

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>think in his forties he started to come around, especially

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>when he went to Alaska, because they um indigenous people

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>served as his guides and he started to learn more

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>from them, and I think things turned around a bit

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>at that point. Yeah. But uh, the Sierra Club, you know,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time over the past few years

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to sort of bring this delight and not whitewash

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>it and say, hey, this is what it was. No,

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>they and they did a very good job of it.

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I think so. Yeah. So um. I was saying that

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 1>he was a product of his time, and he very

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>much was. There was an idea before his time, say

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen thirties, when the West was like the frontier

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>and the the United States didn't really need it at

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the time, where there was this view of the Native

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>American as this this um noble race that was being

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>encroached upon by humanity and that we we needed to

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>preserve this wild area. This was decades before John Muir

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>came around this idea that we needed to preserve the stuff,

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>but we also needed to preserve Native Americans and their

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>culture in this land that were preserved. So the initial

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>idea for national parks was that the Native Americans would

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>live on this land just as they always had, and

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it would be there land, but it would also be

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>America's national parks that would be protected. And then the

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>railroad came, and all of a sudden, the US started

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>expanding further and further west, faster and faster, and now

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans weren't this group of people over there

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that you could kind of idealize. They were now in

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the way of this westward expansion. So racism toward them

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>went through the roof. And now there was this idea

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>that Native American culture was already dead, that the best

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of the culture had died in the last decades and centuries,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and that it was all the white man's fault. But

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>what's done is done, and so let's just make this

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>decline into extinction as comfortable as possible and preserved Native

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Americans not on our national park land, but we'll just

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>make reservations for them to go over there and just

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>die off and it's sad, but that's just the way

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 1>it is, and that that is the mentality that John

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Muir became a conservationist with in the larger zeitgeis that

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that you no humans should be on the land, but

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>in particular Native Americans shouldn't be there anyway because this

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>is our white people land. Yeah, and you know what,

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to see her club and people in general

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>are more comfortable, uh, calling this stuff what it is now.

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Like even in that American Masters, that was one line

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>where they said, like, you know, early on he you know,

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>he he, I don't even remember what they said. I

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>don't even think they said disparaging, but like he said,

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.760
<v Speaker 1>some things were not so nice for Native American Indians

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>is what they said while he was saying yeah, And

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 1>then it was just very quickly like they wouldn't dare

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>say that he had racist points of view. Uh, he

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>just didn't say stuff like that. But I think now

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 1>people are more comfortable with saying using that word and saying,

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is how he was for a time

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>in his life, and we gotta we gotta reckon with

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>that because it's part of our history of of a

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 1>of a foundation for sure, and not just tim like

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the national parks were they they evicted people and not

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>just Native Americans, depending on where you were out West,

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest, Yosemite, Yellowstone, all of them required

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>forced evictions to basically create this pristine area that was

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>never pristine and free of human settlement or occupation or use.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>That's they created that to create the national parks. And

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.879
<v Speaker 1>they used like this idea. There was this um I've

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>read this really interesting article dude from two thousand seven,

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>so it would have been groundbreaking at the time. It's

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>called Ethnic Cleansing and America's Creation of National Parks by

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Isaac Cantor and uh. Cantor points out that like the

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.240
<v Speaker 1>people who were setting up and promoting these first national

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>parks like Yellowstone in Yosemite would say, there were never

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans here anyway, they were all these were all

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>they were afraid of spirits in this you know, in

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>this canyon, so they never hung out here anyway. But

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>by the way, uh, can you send some military to

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>protect us from Native america can attacks while we're setting

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>up this national park? So it's which is yeah, yeah, basically,

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 1>but that's a really interesting It was a really good

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>read and it was very eye opening, especially for two

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand seven. Uh. So, I guess in closing, we want

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>to quickly mention one of his last what he was

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.280
<v Speaker 1>actually trying to do when he died and and failed

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>at doing, was preventing the damning of the hetch Hetchy

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Valley uh in Yosemite. And basically what happened in nineteen

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>o six was there was a devastating earthquake and fire

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that destroyed San Francisco, which I'd love to cover that

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 1>as its own episode at some point, basically completely destroyed

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>it h and everywhere. And one of the reasons that

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the fire destroyed it was because their water uh uh

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>what do you call them water water people? Their water system,

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say that um was destroyed by the earthquake.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So San Francisco said, we need a better, more reliable

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a water supply, and we can get it in Yosemite

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>with the hetch Hetchy Valley if we damn that thing up.

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, you can't do this, It's in

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>a national park. And he lost that effort, but he

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>made such a stink uh he was He was basically like,

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of other ways you can get water.

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>You're just doing this because it's easiest and cheapest, But

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>you can get water to San Francisco in other ways. Uh.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, he was not successful. He did

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>lose that battle, um and then passed away of pneumonia

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>at the age of seventy six and nineteen fourteen. Um.

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>But he they haven't There hasn't been a damn built

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>in on national park lands since then. Yeah. Because that battle,

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>even though he lost it, it really raised awareness and

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it also kind of set a certain mindset in people

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>in the public's mind that now you don't really mess

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>with national parks. And I guess we had to lose

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<v Speaker 1>one to to to get to that point. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you got anything else? I got nothing else? So

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<v Speaker 1>that's job mirror for you. Everybody. Go check out his

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<v Speaker 1>writings and read about him and uh see what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>And also don't forget ethnic cleansing in the creation of

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<v Speaker 1>America's national parks. Good stuff. Uh. And since I said

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff, of course it's time for listening. Man. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on the Cleft Palettes from Malcolm that's new

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<v Speaker 1>in Calgary that came out today Alberta, Canada. Usa, North

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<v Speaker 1>America Earth. Hey guys, been an avid listener since my

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<v Speaker 1>friend introduced me when I very hungover car right home

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<v Speaker 1>from an Iron Maiden concert about five years ago. Nice,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great way to get turned onto the show. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I'd write in to share my experience with

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<v Speaker 1>my son's cleft pallet after listening to the episode. My

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<v Speaker 1>son was born with a midwife in June nineteen and

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<v Speaker 1>had a ton of trouble breastfeeding, which in hindsight was

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<v Speaker 1>because he couldn't get any suction. A couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 1>the midwife noticed what she thought was a cleft in

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<v Speaker 1>the soft palette. We took our newborn to the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and she was right. We became regulars at the Alberta

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<v Speaker 1>Children's Hospitals Cleft Clinic in Calgary, Alberta, and two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>my son has had a surgery to repair his clap

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<v Speaker 1>pallett and another to put tubes in his ear drums parentheses,

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<v Speaker 1>socialized health care is the best. The tubes are common

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<v Speaker 1>with clefts because the muscles that drain the ear canals

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<v Speaker 1>don't form properly, so the tubes allow fluid to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the ear canals. One thing you didn't mention was the

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<v Speaker 1>byfed uvela, which I have. It's related to clefts that

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles don't quite form properly and it makes her

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<v Speaker 1>uvula look more like a w than a tear drop.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that in research. I forgot to mention I

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<v Speaker 1>did too. I can't believe I forgot that. We are

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<v Speaker 1>currently visiting a geneticist at the Hospitality of Cleft in

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<v Speaker 1>my bibid uvula. I'm sorry byfed uvela are genetically related,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the answer is probably yes. Love listening

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<v Speaker 1>you guys look for it each episode. That is Malcolm. Nice,

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<v Speaker 1>nice name, Malcolm. Um, that's great, Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for sharing. And also rock on mat. Yeah that's your name, Malcolm. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my middle name. It's a great name. Me and

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<v Speaker 1>my friends they have the night we're hanging out, Me

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily and Justina Melissa. We're having a few drinks

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<v Speaker 1>and we decided to start only going by our middle names.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was Alex, Dawn, Renee and Wayne were hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out for the rest of the night. We were just

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<v Speaker 1>cracking jokes. Like someone did say something to be like

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<v Speaker 1>that is so Alex. I don't know if it's gonna stick.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was really weird to think of myself as

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<v Speaker 1>a Wayne. That could be a one night thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that one night, I think sticks. I will be

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<v Speaker 1>really surprised. I think we determined. I determined that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a relation to your middle name, like an

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<v Speaker 1>emotional connection. If when you hear that name out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have any reaction, Like if I hear someone

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<v Speaker 1>say a Chuck or someone else's Chuck, I go oh.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I hear someone say Wayne or whatever, I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even doesn't even register you, Like that name

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<v Speaker 1>is dead to me. Yeah, that sounds about right right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's so Malcolm. Well, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch with this, like Malcolm did not me

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<v Speaker 1>the other welcome one in the middle, you can send

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