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Speaker 1: Some listeners may find this content disturbing.

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Speaker 2: This episode discusses suicide. Please proceed with caution.

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Speaker 3: Hey there, everybody, welcome to I Do Part two. It's

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Speaker 3: your hosts, your sometimes hosts. I guess we rotate a

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Speaker 3: lot here, Amy Robock and TJ. Holmes, And we are

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Speaker 3: so excited because we have our next two guests in

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Speaker 3: person with us at the iHeart Studios. We're going to

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Speaker 3: be talking divorce, marriage, reality TV and of course, well

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Speaker 3: I hate to mention it, but we have to go there.

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Speaker 3: At least one question on Rudy Pebble's from the Secret

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Speaker 3: Lives of Mormon. Why it is the me and Brett

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Speaker 3: who need no introduction? How are we all today?

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Speaker 1: Good? Were you? Thanks for having us?

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Speaker 4: Why did y'all immediately laugh? I'm glad you said it.

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Speaker 4: I would be worried somebody y'all might throw water, but

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Speaker 4: I'm the only one in the room who wasn't. But

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Speaker 4: it's good to see you guys in person. My goodness,

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Speaker 4: And again, everybody that comes on this podcast means they

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Speaker 4: didn't get it right the first time around. Both of

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Speaker 4: you all second marriage for both of you. Let me

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Speaker 4: ask this, what did the show do for your relationship

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Speaker 4: being on momon wise can I said, what impact did

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Speaker 4: it have on you?

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about last night.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's strengthened us, like you can't believe going

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Speaker 5: too far away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just strengthened us.

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Speaker 5: It put us in a lot of situations that you

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Speaker 5: don't typically anticipate being Obviously, you know you're in a

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Speaker 5: reality TV show or it's reality TV, but there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of things that are you know, they kind

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Speaker 5: of contrive that puts you in challenging situations and so

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Speaker 5: but yeah, we've we've grown so much closer and just

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Speaker 5: we've had to kind of up the game in terms

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Speaker 5: of just communicating because when you're in the again, back

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Speaker 5: to reality TV, the lines of reality can become so blurred,

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Speaker 5: and so really making sure that you communicate clearly becomes

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Speaker 5: totally crucial increasingly, so I think, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, agreed.

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Speaker 1: We literally were just having a conversation last night after

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Speaker 1: seeing Whitney on Broadway, and we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: the whole experience. You know, it's all been so fast

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Speaker 1: paced and crazy. We're like, we're sitting here in New

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Speaker 1: York watching Whitney on Broadway. They started with the dance

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Speaker 1: like this is wild and like a swinging scandal, and

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Speaker 1: we're just sitting there talking about where we were to

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Speaker 1: where we are and our fertility struggles and just everything

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Speaker 1: and finding that silver lining in how much stronger our

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Speaker 1: relationship is today than it was before all of this,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's rare. And we were like, what

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Speaker 1: is that? What's the component? And we said communicating, communicating

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Speaker 1: and being able to speak freely to each other and

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Speaker 1: genuinely seeking to understand one another. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: like really like we kind of pat ourselves on the

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Speaker 1: back because I'm like, that's so. I mean, we've been

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Speaker 1: this isn't our first rodeo, as we said before, but

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Speaker 1: we've learned the lessons along the way, and we genuinely

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Speaker 1: put in the work and at the end of the day, like,

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Speaker 1: relationships are not about it being perfect all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's about how you handle those struggles and how you

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Speaker 1: communicate and work through them. So I'm just I'm proud

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Speaker 1: of us for the way that we have weathered so

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Speaker 1: many different storms grow together.

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Speaker 4: Have we ever gotten that answer before that? Yeah, Reality

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Speaker 4: TV was good for my relationship.

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Speaker 3: In fact, that was actually very surprisingly makes sense. I

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Speaker 3: was not expecting it, but is it? Would you say?

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Speaker 3: Because and look, we have watched some of the show

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Speaker 3: a couple of the different seasons, but it's jumped out

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Speaker 3: to us that even when you're not on camera and

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Speaker 3: you're not being shown, you're constantly being talked about, I

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Speaker 3: mean to me, and even Brett comes out of everyone's

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Speaker 3: mouths at least in every scene. I was like, this

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Speaker 3: is remarkable to be talked about, Yeah, that much on

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Speaker 3: a show that you kind of pulled back from a

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Speaker 3: little bit. I'm curious, is it kind of an us

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Speaker 3: versus them mentality where you will you all felt like

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Speaker 3: maybe you were being attacked together, so it kind of

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Speaker 3: strengthened you all to hold down your own personal relationship

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Speaker 3: while other people were attacking it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I also just think that it uncovered so many wounds

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Speaker 1: for both of us that and we were implementing so

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Speaker 1: many incredible tools on the side, right, like therapy and

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Speaker 1: as those things were uncovered, I feel like we both

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Speaker 6: And what is this really at the root.

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Speaker 1: And so as we would have things come up in

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Speaker 1: like either to our therapists or to each other and

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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I know that your intentions are good,

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Speaker 1: And we would face that head on, Like genuinely when

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Speaker 1: I say that, we both put in the freaking work

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Speaker 1: day in and day out, and I think, yes, I

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Speaker 1: think to answer your question, I think it did be

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, come come to a point where

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Speaker 1: it was like, this is us together. We are not

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Speaker 1: honestly think that's how we've gotten through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The other thing is that it's it's funny because you

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Speaker 5: you learn to kind of understand that the things that

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Speaker 5: people are talking about, for the most part, that are

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Speaker 5: make you feel bad about yourself, all of those things,

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Speaker 5: for the most part, are fictional things, if that makes sense,

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Speaker 5: Like the things that they're hating about, you know, to me,

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Speaker 5: I mean fictional things. I mean that there it's almost

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Speaker 5: like she's become a fictional villain, and so it's like

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Speaker 5: learning how to separate, you know, myself from that. I

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Speaker 5: think has been just learning how to separate myself from

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Speaker 5: what is real and what is not, just kind of

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Speaker 5: learning that most of most of the things that are

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Speaker 1: In reality TV, yeah, or that people aren't getting the

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Speaker 1: full picture right, like and people will say that, you

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Speaker 1: see the sound minds online that are like, guys, this

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Speaker 1: there's context that's missing, and everyone knows that. It's like

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Speaker 1: and you're not getting the entire full picture.

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Speaker 6: Is the drama real?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 6: Are the storylines real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, But there's context missing, there's

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Speaker 1: the sound minds understand that, and so you know then

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Speaker 4: But the sound mind seems huge and far.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I wish more sound minds would speak up because

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Speaker 1: people will come up and they're like, there's more people

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Speaker 4: Those They can't be heard louder by the craziest. But

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Speaker 4: How are you maybe, even if you don't say something

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Speaker 2: Have you been able to be.

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Speaker 5: In a process? Yeah, I mean it's been Yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: been a learning process. But it goes back to just

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Speaker 5: separating what's real from what's not. And like literally when

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just want to light the world on fire.

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Speaker 1: That his achilles heel, honestly, Like when when I get

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Speaker 1: Like I get so fired up when I see them

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Speaker 1: I read about me and it's like this page and

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Speaker 3: I know my truth. I know my truth. I'm curious though,

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Speaker 3: because I actually we talked about this in another episode

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Speaker 3: for me personally in my life, and we've told you

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Speaker 3: we know what it's like to go through relationship breakups

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Speaker 3: and heartache and in front of the public. But some

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Speaker 3: of the hardest breakups for me have been with female friends.

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Speaker 3: It's like relationship ending situations have been the most traumatizing

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Speaker 3: for me with my other girlfriends. How have you navigated that?

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Speaker 2: Shed about it every night?

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Speaker 1: Not about these friendships necessarily, but it definitely does like

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Speaker 1: trigger old friendships. So yeah, it can feel harder than

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Speaker 1: my ex husband, and I was kind of mourning both relationships.

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Speaker 1: But I definitely was like dreaming about my ex best

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Speaker 1: Still in my life and we were co parenting, and

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Speaker 3: Like are you talking about Jesse. No, no, no, this

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Speaker 1: Past relationship, like a past dear dear childhood friend. No. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, you get close. You get close

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Speaker 1: really quickly in this environment and you're working day in

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Speaker 1: but there's a level to it that's almost like foe

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Speaker 1: because it's so quick. It's almost like when someone love

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that the friendships weren't real, but

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Speaker 1: it's like when you take a step back like I have,

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Speaker 1: and you look at it, it's like I barely knew

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of the lot there that's like

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Speaker 1: problematic that I don't want in my life. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know she feels the same, so I just yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me, I think taking a step back was the

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Speaker 1: healthiest thing for me because I was able to really

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Speaker 1: look at everything for what it was, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of red flags there that I was

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Speaker 1: kind of missing because we were in force into this

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Speaker 1: environment together. So I mean, yeah, I mean friendship breakups

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Speaker 6: Navigating it well.

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Speaker 1: And like, really, anytime I hear any one from the

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Speaker 1: You're you're playing a part and you're doing it well.

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Speaker 4: ask do you consider yourselves genuine friends with the other

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Speaker 3: So you all have been married for five years now,

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Speaker 2: And so they've been fine.

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Speaker 1: They'll see things and they'll they'll send it to me, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what is the thing that people think about you all

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Speaker 2: I mean I think two pieces.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, you know, you go, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: A couple of got back of you. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For that question.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I have two pieces that are just quick. I'll

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Speaker 1: One I didn't cheat on Brett and two we did

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Speaker 1: not know each other when I was nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Yes, that's one of the first things you see

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I met Brett when I was twenty one years

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Speaker 4: Where did that start? What does stuff like that come from?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I it's I'm kind of to blame on

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Speaker 1: they're like Grandpa d and so then what do you do?

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Speaker 6: You just play into it?

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Speaker 1: So then I, you know, I played into it as.

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Speaker 5: Though you languaged a couple of things that were a

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Speaker 5: little they could have been confessed.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, Yes, which I honestly it doesn't bother me. I

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Speaker 3: What people have spun? What people that makes sense?

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Speaker 1: Yes? What was posted didn't, but then the comments that

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Speaker 2: Age where I met her just keeps getting younger, and.

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Speaker 1: He and then he was my babysitter, and then he

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Speaker 1: and so I take full responsibility for starting that whole thing.

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Speaker 6: So it's my job to clear it up.

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Speaker 1: We met when I was a beyond legal adults, and

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there's this, Yeah, there's this sixteen year age gap, right, yes, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Think where I got a little confusing too, was one

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Speaker 3: Trying to get my head around that.

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Speaker 5: So so yeah, a good friend of mine that was

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Speaker 5: twenty years older than me, he was like my uncle, okay,

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Speaker 1: So wild to think about because like that's so close, right,

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Speaker 2: And I had always been the funeral of her best

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I had heard of him obviously, like

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Speaker 6: Know, all these things.

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Speaker 1: So it was like the Ingemans were known, but we

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I know for like, thank you for asking that.

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Speaker 2: Actually I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Understand why you had that one ready to go.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was just gonna say the fidelity thing is

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Speaker 5: that's been such a dumb thing to even have to

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Speaker 4: Should I even ask where that one came from from?

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Speaker 1: Vander pum Villa, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't you as well. I'm just making sure you

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Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't start that one.

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Speaker 3: No, that was.

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Speaker 1: We won't mention his name, but yes, we get it.

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Speaker 3: There's an asterisk there. Yes, I'm curious too because you

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Speaker 3: all were in other relationships. You said, when you first

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Speaker 2: Well, do you want to talk about the Bachelor?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's my favorite story.

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Speaker 5: So I know I would run into Demi and her

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Speaker 6: But we had just.

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Speaker 1: Seen him at the gym and we were like, what's

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Speaker 1: a catch. What's happening? Like you need to go on

440
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: the Bachelor.

441
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 5: I had a second marriage. It didn't work so see

442
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 5: it was about six months I got it.

443
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry not to not to cut you off. My husband,

444
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: my ex husband, and I had told him like, what's

445
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: going on, Like you're such catch, so handsome, you need

446
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: to go on the Bachelor. He was like absolutely not. No,

447
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: So we go home, we not nominate or we nominate him.

448
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 4: That's a good story anonymous that night, okay, yeah, so.

449
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 6: Then he gets a call oh wow literally the next day.

450
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were desperate to cast somebody to think that

451
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: was like age appropriate for Claire.

452
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 2: Claire Crawley.

453
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 5: Yes, she was like forty I think, and I was

454
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 5: forty two at the time, and uh so, yeah, I

455
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 5: went on the Bachelorette and I was there for about

456
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 5: a week.

457
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: Then COVID hit. They sent us home and there was

458
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: a break but in the in the.

459
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, so but when you when you go, when you

460
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 5: go to the bachelotte you have to go dark on

461
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 5: social media. Anyway, I come home, I go back on

462
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 5: social media. She notices that I am no longer filming

463
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 5: and then what so.

464
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: Then I he like posted something of his sons and

465
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what's going on? I thought you

466
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 1: were filming, Like what how are you posting? And he

467
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we actually all got sent home and

468
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's crazy. And then I was like,

469
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm getting divorced, and he was like,

470
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Like I mean, we told no one.

471
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: I told him before I told my family, and so

472
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: he was like, it's crazy if you need a shoulder

473
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: to cry on.

474
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: I didn't actually say that.

475
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 4: Probably that is life is weird. Now, I didn't know

476
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: you were on that season, so I didn't.

477
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 5: Actually go and film. Okay, it was the week leading

478
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 5: up to it. COVID hits, they send us home, and

479
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 5: then I think they filmed like four months later, and.

480
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: You were already in a relationship at that point.

481
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 5: Yes, well you would have gone back had I not

482
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 5: met her, Maybe probably not.

483
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: But still to think that you could have been on

484
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 4: your way to another love journey, if you will. Yeah,

485
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: and COVID.

486
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: Got you here.

487
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: That is weird how stuff works out. We noticed this

488
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: life all the time. Who know that any little thing

489
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 4: would have happened differently.

490
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: COVID saved me.

491
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: That's just a weird thing to say or to think about.

492
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: But that is congratulations. I love that story, by the way.

493
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: That's very very cool. In fact, I would say COVID

494
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: played a role in our relationship as well. So it's

495
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: funny all things that are suddenly you know that seem

496
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 3: overwhelming and tragic and certainly were changed the course of

497
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: so many people's lives, and it made a lot of

498
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: people realize that they didn't want to be married, or

499
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: a lot.

500
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: We know where statistics are because I think it had

501
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: to have gone. It seems like it went through the room.

502
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 6: With their Yeah, with their relationship.

503
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: You were forced to face your relationship. There was no

504
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: escaping one hundred No, that's a real thing.

505
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean everyone was in such close quarters. It's like,

506
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: we were.

507
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 5: Talking about that again last night, but what's the divorce

508
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 5: right now? Something percent, it's fifty plus percent. But then

509
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 5: we were thinking about the people that we know that

510
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 5: are married, that had been married for a long time,

511
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 5: and a lot of them are not happy.

512
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 3: We knew where you were going with and so it's like.

513
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: What percentage of married couples are actually happy.

514
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: We've had that exact same conversation because so many people

515
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: and this is the perfect podcast to have this conversation,

516
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 3: because so many people sit in judgment of other people

517
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: who get divorced and remarried, and they sit in their

518
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: marriages and think, see, we're great because we're still married.

519
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: On the other side of the house, and they don't speak.

520
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: You're right, and yeah, haven't had sex in a year?

521
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: And yes, and actually hate each other. Yeah, but they're

522
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: still married. Yeah. Success a successful I know.

523
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: It just it comes down to the definition of success

524
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: for you.

525
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: I guess, Oh my god, Okay, when do we want

526
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: to get the fruity pebbles thing out of the way.

527
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I think right now, let's say let's do it. Let's

528
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: go are okay tears.

529
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 4: I'm let's step out for this.

530
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: So Jesse Jesse makes this this video on social media

531
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: exposing what you what she says is the truth about

532
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: frudy pebbles, and then you all went on social media

533
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 3: the next day and had your own play on what

534
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: she said without actually saying anything. You just showed something.

535
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: How do you?

536
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 6: How are you?

537
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 3: Do you care about it at all? Is it funny

538
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 3: to you? Like? What was the actual impact of any

539
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: of that?

540
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean originally when it got brought up on

541
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: the show, I didn't want to talk about it. I

542
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: just thought, like, this is personal, this is between us.

543
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: I shared this with the women in confidence, and I

544
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't have even done that. You know, we've spoken about

545
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: that since and I'm like, that was I mean a

546
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: betrayal to Brett because that was something that happened between us.

547
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: If he went and told his buddies. I'd be like,

548
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know, And so I regretted

549
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: that later that I brought that up to even the women.

550
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: And so yeah, obviously it was something that we never

551
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: planned to have come out. Is it the end of

552
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: the world?

553
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: No?

554
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: But then, like you said, our steps, like my step

555
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: son's his kids who are adults, are on social media,

556
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: they're seeing this. And then our youngest son is in

557
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: high school and it's like, we know how brutal high

558
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: school people can be, and like how many months have

559
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: pass and we're at a baseball game the other day

560
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: and they're like, let's.

561
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 6: Go, fruity pebbles. Boy, come on, let's go, you know.

562
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, again, is it the end of the world? No,

563
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: But like it also did affect our youngest son to

564
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: some degree, and that bothers me, and that bothers him,

565
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: and I know it like really upset him.

566
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: I mean, people do a lot of dumb things when

567
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 5: they're not dumb things, because I mean people experiment all

568
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: the time in the bedroom and when we we were

569
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 5: three sheets to the wind, you know, and if if

570
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 5: and it happened one time, you know, and and if

571
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 5: you know, if everybody had to talk about something they've

572
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 5: done when they're three sheets to the wind or whatever,

573
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 5: I mean, what.

574
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: Are we talking about?

575
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 5: So but leave it to Jesse of course to bring

576
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 5: something like that up. So it's just I mean, yeah, anyway,

577
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 5: that's all I'll say about that.

578
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: Why did you all decide? It seems because I we

579
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: discussed this, as said, hey babe, I don't because of

580
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 4: what we've actually experienced. We didn't find it funny. People

581
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: make jokes, but this is whatever it is to you

582
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: all knock yourselves out. Fine, but why did you all

583
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: respond to her in the way you did? You kind

584
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: of tongue in cheek with that video, and then I

585
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 4: saw that, I said, oh, I guess they're cool talking

586
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 4: about it.

587
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was more so that I It was

588
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, well, it's out there,

589
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: so what are you going to do about it? I

590
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I think what we were upset about was the timing

591
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: of everything and why she responded. You know, she obviously

592
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: was upset at you know, comments that were made or

593
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the it's the extent that she

594
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: went to to try to uncover something, to either cover

595
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: up her own stuff or to show that she was

596
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: upset at me. And I think that's what it was.

597
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: That we were just like, okay, you took it too far,

598
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: and so then we're like, what are we going to do?

599
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 6: Fuel the fire with her or just bring.

600
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: The levity and own it and like make it light

601
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: as lighthearted as possible.

602
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: No, sounds like there was a real relationship issue in

603
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: there that a lot of couples deal with. You betrayed

604
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: a trust, right, how far do you go? What do

605
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: you all think about the idea? How much is it

606
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: okay to tell your girlfriends about what happens at the

607
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 4: house with him? And how much do you are we

608
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: allowed to as in a couple? How much should you say?

609
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: It sounds how long did it take you all to

610
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: work through that? Because that is I mean, I think

611
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: she knew pretty immediately.

612
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: In fact, you called me right after you had the

613
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: conversation with the girls about it and you were like, Babe,

614
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, and you know and so and I

615
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: mean I think we had a we had a brief

616
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 5: argument about it, really, but it wasn't it wasn't I

617
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 5: knew that she meant well. I sometimes she overshares when

618
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: and it was early on in.

619
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it was just.

620
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Sex, which is funny. I feel like we talk about

621
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: it more than men because they're like, we're good, we're chilling,

622
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: like I had sex with my wife this week, We're good,

623
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: whereas women are.

624
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 6: Like, well, like is this normal?

625
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: And do you do this with your husband? And like

626
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: we're more insecure about it, I feel, and so we

627
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: have more open conversations. That's how we learn like men,

628
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: I always say men learn through born and having sex,

629
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: and women learn through having conversations about sex with their girlfriends.

630
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Like it's just a different world, you know, but sorry,

631
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: keep going. I think we did have a quick argument

632
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: about it, and I recognized that was like I'm so sorry,

633
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, like I know you're not going to your

634
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: bodies telling them like, oh, I guess what my wife did?

635
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: You know?

636
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: And so I was like I understand that, you know,

637
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: if that comes out, that's embarrassing for you.

638
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: And you know, I think I also kind of figured that,

639
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: you know, when she's sharing it, it would be one

640
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: thing if she was sharing something like that with a

641
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: group of girls that were like not on a reality

642
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: TV show.

643
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: You know, But we weren't at the time, Yeah, Oh

644
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: you weren't.

645
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: Okay, they were just we were mom talk at the time.

646
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right before.

647
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it wasn't like a long standing girlfriend, right,

648
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 1: And so I think that it was more so like

649
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: who it was and the fact that that was something

650
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: that we experimented with once and it was you know,

651
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: it was a little flippant on my end.

652
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 6: So we had that conversation and then obviously.

653
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Like moving forward, I've like vowed to be better about that.

654
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: But I to go back to your question, I think

655
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: it really is just a personal thing like between you two,

656
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: like what your boundary is with that, and sometimes you

657
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: don't know that you have that boundary until it's crossed

658
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: and then you're like, wait, hold on, I don't like

659
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: that we're talking about that.

660
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 6: Things that we do in the bedroom that's like sacred

661
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 6: to me.

662
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: And that was one of those moments where I was like,

663
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: I've always been kind of flippant with that, and I've

664
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: always been super open and just like oh yeah we

665
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: try this. Whoa, you know, I'm just a little bit

666
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: more open, like he said, And I realized in that

667
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: moment that he's more private about that, and so that

668
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: was a moment where I was like, Okay, that's our boundary,

669
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: you know.

670
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, And there's nothing more painful, I don't think

671
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: than you sharing something with someone where you feel like

672
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: you're being vulnerable and then it's used again. That's a

673
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: terrible feeling, especially among friends.

674
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: Girls.

675
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: That's what girls do, and they know how to cut deep,

676
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: they know how to get you. They know how vulnerable

677
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: that is and how that feels. And it's a choice.

678
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: It's a choice to share it. I'm curious, would you

679
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: all say you learned more lessons about where you are

680
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: in your relationship because you seem like you guys are

681
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: awesome from your previous relationships and lessons learned in those

682
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: or lessons learned doing this all in front of the

683
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: cameras with reality show and folks watching and weighing it.

684
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I think both. But the environment that we've been in,

685
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: the pressure cooker, you know, environment that it is, I

686
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: would say that that has definitely challenged us the most

687
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: and actually like living the life because it's one thing

688
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: to learn lessons and then it's another thing to apply it.

689
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: And the application of it has been huge because we're

690
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: getting these things thrown at us like fiery darts constantly,

691
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: and then it's like, how we're going to manage this,

692
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: how we're going to handle this, How are we going

693
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: to weather this together?

694
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 6: So I would say living it together for sure.

695
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: And then you know, always life experience, always, you know,

696
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: has the opportunity to teach you things and show you

697
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: the things that need to be healed. And we both

698
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: individually do therapy and we both do therapy together. And

699
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I think that's huge because there's things that will come

700
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: up in a relationship and we're like, hold on, well,

701
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that's not coming from here. This is a deeper wound.

702
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: This is a mother wound, this is a father wound,

703
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: this is a past relationship wound. And so we're able

704
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: to like kind of separate that and then be there

705
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: for each other. So I would say a combination of everything,

706
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think living it together and having to

707
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: face that together for sure.

708
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, she mentioned you know, doing like self work. I

709
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: think for me, the biggest thing again going back to

710
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: just separating reality from fiction and all the darts that

711
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 5: are thrown at you. One of the challenges that I

712
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 5: used to have was allowing for like an intrusive thought

713
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 5: to percolate and you give meaning to the thought, and

714
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, if you give it enough

715
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: time and meaning, all of a sudden that thought is true.

716
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: So for on the on the you know, personal self

717
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 5: work side, I've done a lot of ketamine sort of

718
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: doing some emdr that allows you to just kind of

719
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 5: pull yourself back and look at the situation for what

720
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 5: it actually is. And that's been I think probably the

721
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 5: biggest key for me in our relationship is just doing

722
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 5: my own personal work in that way.

723
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: How much work needed to be done? We say this

724
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 4: oftentimes that you got to you're sometimes we're not ready

725
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: to be a good partner to somebody because we're messed up.

726
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: How prepared were you all when you got together? Was

727
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: there a lot of more work that still need to

728
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: be done?

729
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: I barely had any work.

730
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 5: Just kidat you think you think you know the older

731
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: person in the in the you know a couple would

732
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: have the least amount of work to do.

733
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: I for sure had the most amount of work to do.

734
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I just don't think you have the tools. Like I

735
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: grew up with a mom that was very like she

736
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: leaned more holistic and like she would read us the

737
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: book Feelings Buried Alive and like I learned very quickly

738
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: that like your body will show you kind of what's

739
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: happening deep down, and so I had a lot of

740
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: those tools you know already. And then I'm just like

741
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: super passionate about mental health. I've struggled with it my

742
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: whole life and you know, come from a long line

743
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: of mental health. And so for me, it's almost a

744
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: passion because I want to understand myself. I want to

745
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: understand you know, my family. I want to be able

746
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: to help I want to be able to do better

747
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: for my kids. And so it became a quick passion

748
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: for me of like a modality like Okay, now this

749
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: is calling to me in this and I do energy

750
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: work and then I would do you know, all these

751
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: different things, and then that led me to Kenemine and

752
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: then you know, all the different.

753
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 6: Modalities that are out there.

754
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: I was just you know, one by one, I was

755
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: just like going through this journey. And so for me

756
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: it became like this passion project, if you will, where

757
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: it was just like how can I become better? How

758
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: can I understand myself better? How can I love myself truly?

759
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: How can I you know, you know, how can I change?

760
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: You know? You know, break the patterns and break the

761
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: generational trauma that I've seen in my family. And for Brett,

762
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: I think it was more so the normal average person

763
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, that's bothered me, but I've never really

764
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: thought about it. And so I think we really have

765
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: been such a good mirror for each other because I,

766
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, I bring the passion with that and he's like, yeah,

767
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's bothered me and it's obviously showing

768
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: up in ways that bother me.

769
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 6: And I'm like, this isn't.

770
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: Working and he's like, well, yeah, it's bothered me, but

771
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's going on. And I'm like, well,

772
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: let's dive deeper.

773
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

774
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like we've really and he same for him,

775
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: like he'll bring things out of me that trigger me

776
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: and then I realize, I'm like, it's not you, it's

777
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: like a wound that I have. So we really compliment

778
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: each other really well in that sense.

779
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: No, I was laughing because we go through that yeah, yeah,

780
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: to where I, yes, this normally bothers me. When I

781
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: saw it starting to impact her, like that's not fair

782
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 4: to you that I'm going through this, And that's when

783
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 4: I started doing the work. As you say, it's funny

784
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: to sit here with other couples have been through some shit.

785
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Kenny me like, I've heard so much about it,

786
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: but I've never even gone in that direction. But you

787
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: all seem to be huge proponents of it.

788
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I am, and I want to be careful because when

789
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: I was doing it, I was shouting for the rooftops.

790
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone needs Kennymede and they're like, no, not

791
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: everyone needs Ken of me.

792
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: It's not a good fit for everyone.

793
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: And also like you need to be careful obviously for

794
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. So I'm very careful to say, like, if

795
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: it's calling to you, explore it. It saved my life, literally,

796
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: I was I had extreme suicidal ideation and depression anxiety

797
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: ocd ADHD literally you name it. Like I was battling

798
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: that and I had planned to kill myself and I

799
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: was done, ready to go, starting to write the notes

800
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: and my ex husband, I'm going to get emotional. But

801
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: my ex husband called you out of the blue and

802
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: was just like check on to me, like is she okay?

803
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: And like behind my back, they both came together and

804
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: he was like, she needs Ketam And I didn't even.

805
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: Know what it was like, I his father in law.

806
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 6: His father in law administers it.

807
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: He's an integrated medicine doctor and so he had the

808
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: license to do it, and she was He just randomly

809
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: was like she needs kenemine and he was like, I

810
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: don't know what that is, but let's suggest it. And

811
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: the next day I was in there and it literally

812
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: saved my life and like changed my mind on like

813
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: wanting to end my life and here today because of that.

814
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: And I have such a tender spot in my heart

815
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: for him. Every time I talk about my ex husband,

816
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: I just get emotional because like what man, you know,

817
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: like I'm the one that left the marriage. I crossed

818
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: his world and like the care that he still has

819
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: for me and for Brett like so greatly.

820
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: He's an incredible Yeah. Man, he's one of my best friends.

821
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they really are like best friends. So it's

822
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: such a beautiful thing. But anyway, Ketemine, talking about Kedemy,

823
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: let's go back to.

824
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Subject for you.

825
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 6: I know, he starts crying.

826
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 4: How are you today? I know you stepped away from

827
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 4: the show. Yeah, because of the number it was doing

828
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: on you mentally, Guys, how are you today?

829
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 6: I'm great? No, I really am so good. It was

830
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 6: such a compliment.

831
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: I was talking to Taylor a couple of nights ago

832
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: and we were just talking about everything, and she was

833
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: like to me, I just have to stop and tell you, like,

834
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: I am so proud of you, Like you have gone

835
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: through it, and you just sound so grounded and just

836
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: like you have your head on straight, you sound so hopeful,

837
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just so proud of the way that you've

838
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: weathered it. And he says that to me all the time,

839
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: but you know, we're together all the time, We're in

840
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: it together. It was refreshing to hear someone just hearing

841
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: me talk about opportunities coming up and you know the

842
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: way I'm handling the negativity and the scrutiny and have

843
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: them just recognize, you know, my efforts. And that was

844
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: really kind of her to say and also validated that, like, hey,

845
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: you're you are good, You're okay, you put in the

846
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: freaking work, Like pat yourself on the back. You're doing

847
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: better than you think. So I really appreciated hearing that

848
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: for sure, and.

849
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 6: I think I'm doing well.

850
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not linear. Every day has a

851
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: different struggle and challenge, and you know, brings new emotions,

852
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: and some days like it gets me down and I'll

853
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: see an interview and I'm like, damn, like I was

854
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: there for that person, Like how can they sit there

855
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: and talk about me that way? And damn, how can they?

856
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: How can I be so misunderstood? And that hurts, you know,

857
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: and I'm human and you know things do affect me.

858
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: But overall, I really do feel like I am handling

859
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: it as best as I can.

860
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, amen.

861
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: Now, it's so impressive just to know that background, to

862
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: know what you've been through, and then to know that

863
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: you were on this show, that show being on a

864
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: real would crush almost anybody. Just I don't know how

865
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: mentally anyone handles that. Because we had just a glimpse

866
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: of that type of scrutiny and pressure and it was

867
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: it almost buried us a lot, like truthfully, I'm so sorry, truthfully, no,

868
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: but we and I just we have a little bit

869
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: of an idea of what you've been through and certainly

870
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: just so impressed with the two people who are here

871
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: in this room with us now because to think about

872
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: how vilified you all have been, it's pretty awesome to

873
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: meet you face to face and actually see who you

874
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: really are.

875
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: Thankk you.

876
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

877
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: It's nice for some of that heat to go towards

878
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: you all and not us.

879
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

880
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 6: No, Taylor said that to me the other day.

881
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: She was like, I've got some things coming for me,

882
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: so hopefully it'll take the heat off of you. I'm like,

883
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't want that either, but maybe it will be

884
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: kind of nice for a change to not have it

885
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: be on us. I don't want it on you, but

886
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: anyone else from the group want it.

887
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 4: Takes Okay, all the last things about the actual show,

888
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: new season? Have you all gone just dropped?

889
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Right?

890
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

891
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: Season four? Have you all gone through? Seen it all yet?

892
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: Now?

893
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: Will you be watching? No? None of it?

894
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: No, not a second?

895
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: Okay, right, see, But that's growth because usually I do

896
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: watch it and then I'm just like turmoil, sick, can't sleep,

897
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's not what happened.

898
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: Aren't you sprinkled throughout the season? Aren't you? Don't you

899
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 4: show up the time or two here or there? I

900
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: don't know, Okay, I had to be honest, she had

901
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: the first We knew you were coming in at the

902
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: first episode on and I keep hearing your name and

903
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 4: I run into the room. I said, where is she? No,

904
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 4: they're just talking about.

905
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: They're talking about her.

906
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: I have heard that a lot that like I'm not there,

907
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: but you're the topic of conversation.

908
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: You're there.

909
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I wish you saved for that, like every time you

910
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: mentioned my name, send me a check.

911
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: So you will be.

912
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 4: Back on the show at some point I another season,

913
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: officially in some capacity. Do we know that yet?

914
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: I haven't decided.

915
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: I've stepped away as of now, but we'll see.

916
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have other things that are in

917
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: the works that I'm really excited about. And if I

918
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: feel that excitement towards the show ever again, I'll reconsider.

919
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: But not right now. You don't feel that.

920
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 4: I don't What would you wanted to do it the

921
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: show again? If she wanted to, of course, but if

922
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: you wanted independently you as just in your own moments

923
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: as it.

924
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 5: Sits right now in the environment. No, No, a couple

925
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 5: of variables change then maybe, But if she wants to,

926
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: I'd still support her.

927
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have heard that the that the dads

928
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: on the show are getting raked over the colls, like

929
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: the men are getting obliterated, which I'm not surprised that

930
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them deserve it. But like I, I

931
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: just don't think it's an environment for the men like that.

932
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't think they're wanting the men to look good.

933
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: You know.

934
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like landmine for men.

935
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that.

936
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: Off.

937
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 4: We noticed the men as well. We have conversations, Yes.

938
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: We certainly did. And I just wanted to end with

939
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 3: this because I know you all and you were open

940
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: about it, and we're rooting for you. But I know

941
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: you all are really wanting to have children for yourselves.

942
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 3: You want to have you want to expand your rude.

943
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: I know you just got a puppy. I saw, Yes,

944
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: he looks like our little guy wrote. He's multipoo. I

945
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: don't know what can you guys have.

946
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: She's a cockapoo.

947
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: A cockapoo. You're very close. Yes, it's like a It

948
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: could be like a cousin. Well, they probably are.

949
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Because the poodle aspect.

950
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, related in someone.

951
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's so good. How is that going? And

952
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: what are your what any any I know so many

953
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: people struggle with his, so many women. I appreciate knowing

954
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: that they're not alone and hearing how you all are doing.

955
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: How how are you. Where are you on that journey?

956
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? So no luck so far, unfortunately. But we're still

957
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: going down the path of trying to figure out what

958
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: we've gotten more answers, Like we're further than or the

959
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: furthest we've ever been on figuring out what it is.

960
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: Now it's finding how to achieve fixing that issue because

961
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: we've gone down the path of medication and with my

962
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: mental health, like medication, like I get one or two

963
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: bad nights of sleep and I am just like my

964
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: mental health and chemically I just get so thrown off.

965
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm just so sensitive. And a lot of that is

966
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: due to I mean that's women in general for the

967
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: most part, but is.

968
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 5: Or men.

969
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: Into everything the loud sounds okay to everything. Yeah, hey

970
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: we o CD all of that.

971
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I totally get that.

972
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 6: That's a real thing.

973
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: And then I also have endometriosis, and the more I'm

974
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: learning about that and like, oh, it is so empowering

975
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: because for the longest time, I'm like, I'm just a leo.

976
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 6: I'm just a fiery leo, and I'm just are you

977
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 6: a leo?

978
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is hilarious.

979
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 6: What are you okay? Okay, so we got water fire.

980
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is making sense everything I said.

981
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: You're like, get Leo's just get each other.

982
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 3: It's so funny. I know my parents are both Leo's friends,

983
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: Leo's I'm surrounded by Leo's.

984
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, same birthday as her buddy. Nobody understands.

985
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 6: We're so many understood.

986
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 4: We can't say enough. Really, you guys have been open

987
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: and honest. Really it's talking about everything You've seem like

988
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 4: you all just open books to a certain degree, I guess,

989
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: but some things you need to keep private. As we

990
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 4: learned it. I've guy, it's I we meet a lot

991
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: of reality stars. You were here, Taylor was here, Macy

992
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 4: was here, and who else? Lay Law was here, and

993
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: you owe every single one of you. I don't know

994
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, but every single one of you came

995
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: in here and were as delightful and pleasant and wonderful

996
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: and real and authentic and all these things. And I'm like, wait,

997
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: these are the same women from the show and that

998
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: they're talking about online. All I'm saying is people just

999
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: don't get it, and most won't get it because they

1000
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 4: won't sit down and meet you guys. I'm saying I

1001
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: saw that stuff. I read all this soft, I saw

1002
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: a lot of the show. It's just a pleasure to

1003
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: sit down and go, wow, they're they're good folks.

1004
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1005
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 4: They're just good folks, and we get that.

1006
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: Don't google us.

1007
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: We never, So it's really good to get the real.

1008
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Version of you two.

1009
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1010
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 6: No, we did not do.

1011
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been together, by the way,

1012
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: three years?

1013
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, engaged for how many months? Now?

1014
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: It's in September, yes, Wednesday day.

1015
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: We don't have the wedding date yet. We are leaving here.

1016
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: Crazy enough, we are walking about five blocks that way

1017
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: to pick up her ring. It just got sized, so

1018
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: we're talking. She's actually in here without her.

1019
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: I'm like sitting on my hands. But it's funny. I

1020
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: loved it so much and it was just a little

1021
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: too big, and but I didn't want to lose it

1022
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: for any period of time to get it sized. So

1023
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: I waited six months to get it sized because I

1024
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: just wasn't ready to be away from it four a week.

1025
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: So I love that I'll be reunited with the ring

1026
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 3: in in just a few minutes.

1027
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: You wait. Congratulations, that's amazing.

1028
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 4: Really, thank you guys. So much good luck on everything.

1029
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 4: We will certainly see you all down the road.

1030
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: Catch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season four, now

1031
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: streaming on Hulu. All right, everybody, If you need some

1032
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: advice on how to navigate life in chapter two or

1033
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: three or four, you can call us or email us.

1034
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: All the info is in the show notes. Follow us

1035
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: on socials. Make sure to rate and review the podcast

1036
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: I Do Part two, an iHeartRadio podcast where falling in

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00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: love is the main objective.