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Speaker 1: Ron An Inian, How old are you? Good?

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Speaker 2: Waite sixty nine?

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Speaker 3: I'm sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: At this point in the game, can you afford a

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Speaker 1: twenty hell cat? Go buy it, brother, and just enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Rolling down the road at eight miles Get the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the Tonight Show as a kid? Boys, Well,

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Speaker 1: then again, you were probably old enough to step and

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Speaker 1: watch it because you're old, that's true. Listen to be

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Speaker 1: selling apple dog food next. Remember that.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, The

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Speaker 4: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car

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Speaker 4: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on

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Speaker 4: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal,

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Speaker 4: pick up.

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Speaker 1: The phone and call in. The garage doors are open,

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Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: five five five six ninety nine hundred and now pee.

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Speaker 4: Running.

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Speaker 1: Wow, not a lot of time and a whole lot

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Speaker 1: to do in it. We've got to get going. We've

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Speaker 1: got an interview down the bottom of the hour Drew

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Speaker 1: Conklin from gate to stopping. Buy the phones are lit up.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of calls to take, so let's

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Speaker 1: get started and go to Eric in Virginia, OH seven

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Speaker 1: Toyota Prius and some engine miss fire falls.

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Speaker 5: Eric.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, sir, how can I help?

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Speaker 3: Hey? Thanks for having me. Yeah, card has been racking

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Speaker 3: a little rough obviously low speed load. Disle started to

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Speaker 3: shake a little bit full codes I was getting I

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Speaker 3: think it was the P three hundred. I wasn't all

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Speaker 3: those P three hundred, which is multiple, and then I

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Speaker 3: think was hitting in one three and four. Changed out

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Speaker 3: the plugs and coils on it, and I didn't seem

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Speaker 3: to help anything on it, even though I think one

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Speaker 3: of the misfires switched the last time I ran the

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Speaker 3: skiing on it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if we were diagnosing this from the from

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Speaker 1: the start, you know, one of the things we would

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Speaker 1: do is we'd we'd we'd move coils around or plugs

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Speaker 1: around and so forth. But you've kind of passed that step,

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Speaker 1: right because you did plugs and coils, and we'll assume

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Speaker 1: everything you did is right and you know, no slight,

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Speaker 1: just just you know, being being certain. So what else

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Speaker 1: can what else can cause a misfire?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Is it mechanical? Yeah, it's possible, you know, mechanical out

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Speaker 1: of a Prius. They're pretty rock solid. You know, do

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Speaker 1: you have a scan tool? Can you look at fuel trim?

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you see in fuel trim? Does

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Speaker 1: way or the other? Just for conversation's sake, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Hooked one up to it. I mean it's possible. I

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Speaker 3: mean that was kind of my next idea, is uh

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Speaker 3: fuel injectors, Well it wasn't getting enough fuel?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's or is it? Is it?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: Is it a case of are we seeing a mechanical

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Speaker 1: fault which will be indicated by a fuel condition, by

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Speaker 1: a lean or rich fuel condition and complete combustion, that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. I'll tell you what's not uncommon with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Priuses. As they get older, they

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Speaker 1: get a lot of miles on them. How many miles

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Speaker 1: are on this car? One hundred and fifty two hundred?

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Speaker 1: How much?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Thirty two yeah, thirty two thousand.

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Speaker 1: I would do a fuel system cleaning, and I don't

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Speaker 1: mean I would, I mean a tank additive, but I

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Speaker 1: also mean hooking up you know. I would go out

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Speaker 1: to the Berriman website Berryman Products dot com read up

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Speaker 1: about their fuel system cleaners. They've got a four step

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Speaker 1: kit works really well. We use it in the shop

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Speaker 1: all the time, and what it'll do is it'll clean

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Speaker 1: the rail and it'll also decarbonize the inside of the engine.

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Speaker 1: But before I did that, I would look at fuel

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Speaker 1: trim before and then look at fuel trim after, and

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Speaker 1: you'll if you if you see an improvement, you may

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Speaker 1: not see it fixed, but you may see a change

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Speaker 1: in fuel trim where it's more consistent or closer to zero,

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Speaker 1: and that that tells you you're going in the right direction,

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Speaker 1: you know, rather than just let's just do a fuel

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Speaker 1: what's what sort of skin tool do you have?

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Speaker 5: Eric?

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I'm not sure the brand. It's pretty generic.

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Speaker 3: It just runs I mainly for the OBD two code specifically,

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Speaker 1: Can you if you can see if you can just

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Speaker 1: bring up fuel trim PIDs by themselves? All right? The

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Speaker 1: reason I say that is because you know, like like

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Speaker 1: a computer, like your phone, right you've got you know,

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Speaker 1: you ever have it with your phone when you've got

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Speaker 1: seven eight apps opening, you see the phone slow down? Well,

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Speaker 1: the scan tool does the same thing. So the less

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Speaker 1: PIDs are, the less pieces of data that you have

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Speaker 1: more responsive it is. So if you can just you know,

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Speaker 1: bring up select PIDs. I usually bring up engine speed, temperature,

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Speaker 1: cool INTEMP and you know long term, short term fuel trim.

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Speaker 1: There's a four cylinder, so you know you can have

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Speaker 1: four PIDs up there. You want to put up mass airflow,

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Speaker 1: look at calculated load. Sure, go ahead, you know, just

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Speaker 1: to get an idea. But the idea is then at

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Speaker 1: least you know you're fairly accurate. You're not, You're not.

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Speaker 1: The computer's not slowing down in terms of how it's reporting.

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Speaker 1: But I would do that graph it or or just

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Speaker 1: you know, take a screenshot of it. And then after

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Speaker 1: you do the fuel system cleaning, do the same thing again.

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Speaker 1: Do you see any improvement in the way the vehicle

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Speaker 1: runs into you see any improvement in fuel trim? So

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Speaker 3: All right. I do have one kind of stucond there.

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Speaker 3: Everything I had just kind of more curious about. Sure

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Speaker 3: than others. But as far as my gap think, in

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Speaker 3: particular in the summertime, I always have trouble getting fuel

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Speaker 3: pretty close to the full mount still not giving me

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Speaker 3: from there. Any idea of anything, but that would be well.

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Speaker 1: I think you've probably got an issue with the vent.

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Speaker 1: the vent valve or right? Yep, I would I would

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Speaker 1: to as the vent stuck open, as the event stuck closed?

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Speaker 1: Do we have a spider web in there? You know?

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Speaker 3: It's such a pain to get you because that's my thought.

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Speaker 3: But the weird part is, it's just it seems like

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Speaker 3: it's seasonal. It's always in the summertime, I have problems,

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Speaker 3: think the particular pre it's almost have like a bladder,

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Speaker 3: says something. And originally my thought is, you know, something

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Speaker 1: Well, it could be. It could be related to the

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Speaker 1: bladder in terms of the tank too, and it could

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Speaker 1: be a problem in the tank. But starting with disconnecting

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Speaker 1: the vent will at least give you a direction. I

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Speaker 1: know it's I know it's not always easy.

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Speaker 3: I never they don't make it easy with you.

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Speaker 1: No, I never said it was going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I can just give you the

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Speaker 1: you know, here's where you start kind of a thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: All right, I appreciate the target to shootout at least,

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Speaker 3: and I can kind of work from there.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, sir, you'd be well and let us know

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Speaker 1: how it makes up. All right, all right, thank you,

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Bye, buye. Yeah, listen, I never promised

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Speaker 1: anybody a rose garden here. I just this is what

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Speaker 1: it takes sometimes. Listen I go through it. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I'll run into on the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: We see cars like this all the time in the shop.

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Speaker 1: We had an eight Honda a Cord this week that

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Speaker 1: was four months overdue. Four months now. We hadn't seen it.

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Speaker 1: We've extended the royal change interval anyway, we haven't seen

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Speaker 1: October of last year. Start doing the math, you know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's ten months since the last

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Speaker 1: because it, you know, had a tire pressure warning light on.

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Speaker 1: It was two months overdue inspection, It needed an oil change,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was handling funny. The concern was

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Speaker 1: that the car was skitterish was the word. You'd accelerate

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Speaker 1: There was there was fifteen pounds of air in the

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Speaker 1: right rear tire, there was seventy five pounds of air

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Speaker 1: in the left front tire, there was sixty pounds of

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Speaker 1: air in the right front tire, and there was fifty

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Speaker 1: pounds of air in the left rear tire. They were

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Speaker 6: You know, we go through it.

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Speaker 1: We have to see things that are painful too, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I explained to the person, look, this car is

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Speaker 1: now unsafe. They've been doing it so long. The left

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Speaker 1: front tire actually had cracks in the sidewall. It was

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Speaker 1: starting to bulge, and the tire, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say it was gonna blow, but I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 1: be standing near it any length of time, for any

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Speaker 1: length of time, you know, to be there it just

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Speaker 1: I know what you're going through. But trust me, order

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Speaker 1: repair is just it's just, it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just not easy like that. So we

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Speaker 1: got them back on track. It was amazing how well

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Speaker 1: this car rode with four good tires. Oh in the

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Speaker 1: right front sway bar link was broken. It was missing,

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Speaker 1: so you know, put an alignment in it. Four tires

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Speaker 1: or right front sway bar link, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: this car road like it was on rails again like

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Speaker 1: an O eight Honda the cord's supposed to. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I just got to go through the process. Brother, you

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Speaker 1: just got to go through the process. Eight five five

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Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero. The car Doctor's

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Speaker 1: coming back right after this little gto you need advice

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Speaker 1: on how to maintain that classic gt O.

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Speaker 3: Ron is the guy eight five five five six zero

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Speaker 3: nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 1: Here's Ron. Hey, let's go over to Paul and Virginia. Paul,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, how can I help? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Ron, Yes, thank you, you're welcome. I've got a

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Speaker 1: Fuse number there, fuse number eight. But again, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: And Uh, I'll look in there and there's there are

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it looks like that, Uh, there are a

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Speaker 1: Say that again.

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Speaker 2: It looks like there are modules within the huge block.

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Speaker 2: On that out. I didn't try that because I don't

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Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, are we sure we're on the

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Speaker 1: right fuse number eight? Is there not a fuse block

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, but this is this is the one

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Speaker 2: Really did right?

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Speaker 1: But is the fuse supposed to be there? Where's the fuse?

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Speaker 1: Where's fuse number eight located? Which fuse block? The one

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Speaker 1: You're sure about that? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I actually have to being the truck you

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Speaker 2: got multiple owners, but it does have the owner's manual

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Speaker 1: Right, there's a speed sensor. There's a speed sensor on

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Speaker 1: but what I'm asking you is you're positive that because

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Speaker 1: So I'm questioning. I'm questioning fuse number eight. There there

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Speaker 1: ATC fuze. If I'm not mistaken, a fifteen amp or

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Speaker 1: Number eight now it is number eight. I remember it

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Speaker 1: You're either you're either looking at it wrong, somebody put

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Speaker 1: And now you got to ask yourself why, because, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was I was wondering, Ron, if you

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Speaker 1: Does this truck run? Paul? Does this truck run? Can

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How does it? Automatic? Transmissioner?

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Speaker 1: No, it's a stick, that's why. Well, that's why because

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Speaker 1: this a V eight five liter?

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Speaker 2: So it's a it's a four point Okay, that's another

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Speaker 2: reason why I bought it, Right.

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Speaker 1: I would look hard. I would look hard at that.

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Speaker 1: Think of it like this. Let's go with your let's

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: You know somebody pulled out fuse number eight to keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's unless the contact came out with the pews.

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Speaker 1: No, then you should be able to lift the powder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could, But you should be able to lift the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I said. It kind of looked to

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Speaker 1: Oh I would I would one out. Then, well, you're

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Speaker 1: And if you find out that's huge. Number eight, guess

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, I've seen plenty of times where things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, you know, Paul, I got to

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Speaker 2: And I know Tom flying spaces because it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: So sure, right, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, But like I said,

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Speaker 1: Let's go look at the passenger side confusement, passenger side

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Speaker 1: And if that doesn't pan out, before I pulled that

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: If you need more, shoot me an email Ron at

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Speaker 1: cardoctorshow dot com. Hey, coming up next, Drew Conklin from Gates.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk all about it. I'm running ding in the

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Speaker 1: car Doctor will be back right after this. Welcome back, listeners.

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Speaker 1: Run on Ani in the car doctor. You know we

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Speaker 1: always talk about belts and hoses and how things have

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Speaker 1: that's not the key to look at anymore. It's it's

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Speaker 1: there's more to it, and there's a lot more to it.

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Speaker 1: EPDM rubber is around and it's been around about Oh,

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Speaker 1: He's Drew Conkling. He's the director of Global Product line

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Speaker 1: Management for the folks over at Gates Gates Rubber, and

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Speaker 1: he's here with us today to talk about Drew. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Car Doctor, sir, Happy to be happy to

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Speaker 5: Hey, Thanks Ron, good morning and happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Talk about you know, belts and hoses sure

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Speaker 1: have changed in just twenty years, in just ten years, right,

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Speaker 1: we don't check belts and hoses the same way anymore,

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Speaker 5: No, that's a spot on on and you're exactly right.

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Speaker 5: The big change was with the transition from kind of

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Speaker 5: What happens is that actually loses material along the rib surface,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hoses just you know it is it used

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Speaker 1: Now it's here's a hose assembly. It's got like an

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Speaker 5: You absolutely did, And yeah, it's making it harder than

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Speaker 5: But if for whatever reason they don't have that, the

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Speaker 5: car has been modified, it's been changed, whatever it may be,

439
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 5: we have kind of two solutions to help try and

440
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 5: identify a close copy, if you will, And so the

441
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Speaker 5: first one would be going on our website Gates dot com,

442
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 5: and we actually create a digital version of what we

443
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 5: call a molded hose ID guide and that basically lifts

444
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 5: every single hose that we have. It gives the dimensions

445
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 5: and it also gives a picture of it. And that's

446
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 5: just the PDF that you can download. But then also

447
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 5: on our catalog website, which is navigates dot gates dot com,

448
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: we actually implemented a dimensional search feature so you can

449
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 5: input a range of inner diameters on the hoses ID one,

450
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 5: ID two, set a range for each of them, set

451
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: a range around the overall link to the hose, and

452
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 5: it'll actually bring you back a list of results of

453
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 5: all of our hoses with pictures as well as the

454
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Speaker 5: attributes of anything that falls within those ranges. So trying

455
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 5: to make it as easy as possible on people out there,

456
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Speaker 5: because there are more hoses than ever on vehicles today.

457
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Speaker 1: Kates has been around one hundred years Drew. You guys

458
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 1: actually invented the v ribbed belt way back when you know,

459
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: from a repair perspective, you know, we know parts of

460
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: change and things have evolved, but you know now it's

461
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: not just change the belt. There's other components that go

462
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: with that, right. Can you touch on that a little

463
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: bit for the listeners.

464
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

465
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 5: So the kind of biggest change there over the last

467
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 5: you know, fifty years or so is obviously the implementation

468
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 5: of a belt drive tensioner.

469
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: Right.

470
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 5: No longer are are we just using the alternator, the

471
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 5: power steering pump, whatever component it may be, as a

472
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 5: fixed unit to kind of set the tension on the belt.

473
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 5: Now you actually have this automatic belt drive tensioner that

474
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: does it for it. And when you look at those

475
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 5: from the outset, it's just kind of a forged case

476
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: with a pulley on the end of it and it

477
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: rotates back and forth. So a lot of people don't

478
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 5: think that those are actually were components, but there are

479
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 5: actually a lot of moving components inside of the tensioners

480
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 5: that do wear, and so as a result, Yeah, basically,

481
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: anytime that you want to touch that system, take the

482
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 5: belt off to do whatever sort of work, whether it's

483
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 5: replaced the belt or replace something behind the belt, We

484
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 5: really recommend servicing the entire system, replacing the entire system

485
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 5: really to restore that system back to the OEM quality.

486
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 5: And so that's really replacing the belt, the tension or

487
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: the pulley and any other associated components with it.

488
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Speaker 1: Because it is system repair, it is component repair. We

489
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: had a Toyota Tacoma Tundra in the shop the other

490
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: week and it needed a belt, but you could see

491
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: all the pulleys were weathered. The truck had one hundred

492
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: and sixty eight thousand miles on it. Why wouldn't you

493
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: change the idler pulleys, Why wouldn't you change the tensioner pulley,

494
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: Because they're only going to beat up the new belt

495
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: and at that point you're just going to put a

496
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: belt on again in every short period of time. So

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: system repair was clearly the way to go, without a doubt.

498
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: Now that applies to timing belts too, correct drew if

499
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: for those of you, for those the listeners out there

500
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Speaker 1: that might have a timing belt vehicle. When you do

501
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: a timing belt, it's not just a belt.

502
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Speaker 5: There's more to it also, right, absolutely, right, Ron, And

503
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: it's a very similar message and even more obviously catastrophic

504
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 5: with the timing belt. Right If if your serpentine belt

505
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 5: breaks or snaps or one of those components fails, it's bad.

506
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: It's putting you on the side of the road. The

507
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 5: battery's not going to charge, you're going to lose power, steering,

508
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 5: water pump may stop pumping coolant. But of course with

509
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 5: the timing belt, then you're talking about ben valves and

510
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 5: you know, destroying engines, catastrophic engine damage. So it's absolutely

511
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: just as critical, if not maybe even a little more

512
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 5: critical when it comes to the timing system to replace

513
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: that tension or replace the pulleys, replace the water pump.

514
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: If it's timing belt driven. The last thing you want

515
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 5: to do, to your point is do a repair and

516
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 5: then that vehicle breaks down, you know, twenty one hundred

517
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 5: miles later because you replace one of the other components

518
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 5: in that.

519
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: System, right, and you're stuck on the side of the road. Hey, Drew,

520
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: sit tight, We're gonna pull over and take a pause.

521
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk a little

522
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: bit about well, the engineering that goes into making products

523
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: such as belts and hoses. Intentioners today. So if you

524
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: have the time, take a seat and I'm running any

525
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: of the car doctor, I'll be back right after this.

526
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: Don't go away, trans and we're back. We're here with

527
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: Drew Conklin. Those Gates Gates products, Gates, belts and hoses, Gates, Rober.

528
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: I guess the list would go on, right, Drew, It's

529
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: not just belts and hoses. When it comes to Gates's

530
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: it would be a long title. We took when we

531
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: pulled over and took you know, took the pause. We're

532
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: talking about engineering. You know, this stuff doesn't fall out

533
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: of the tree. How does a company like Gates come

534
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: to engineer what you've created and brought to the market.

535
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's a great question, Robbie. You know, it

536
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 5: really all kind of starts with our with our DNA.

537
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 5: I mean, innovation is at the heart of everything the

538
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 5: Gates does, material science. We have a whole army of

539
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 5: engineers behind us making all these great products, and it

540
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 5: really starts with the relationships that we have with the OEMs.

541
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: You know, we're working with almost every single one of

542
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 5: them designing their next generation of platforms products, and so

543
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 5: that really feeds into everything that we do on the

544
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 5: aftermarket side, also all of the technology and innovative materials

545
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: as well as advancements that we put into our aftermarket products.

546
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, years ago, real quick, do you still make

547
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: the garden hoses?

548
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: We do? We do?

549
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, you guys, you guys make the best garden hoses.

550
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: I remember thirty five, it's got to be forty years

551
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: ago when I was working at the Odol part store

552
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: as a kid, and you know, Gates, the gates salesman

553
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: came in and show these sys and these will last

554
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: a lifetime. I still have my gates hoses from the

555
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: late seventies, you know, and they do last a lifetime.

556
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: There may well, they hold up well, you leave them

557
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: out in the winter, they don't correct, they don't fail.

558
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: It's amazing. You know you still make those garden hoses.

559
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we do. Yeah, that's the funny story. You know,

560
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: oftentimes with products these days, lifetime means different things to

561
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 5: different people. But that is definitely a great example of

562
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 5: a truly lifetime product. We still make them today. We've

563
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: of course made some advancements on them. We make them

564
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 5: a little more king free than they ever were before,

565
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 5: but definitely still have the tried and true garden hose

566
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 5: in our portfolio.

567
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: And suffice it to say, if there's a problem out

568
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: in the industry, right, and because you guys are OEM

569
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: on a lot of manufacturers correct, correct, so if any

570
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: one of them has an issue, they're going to come

571
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: to you and say, hey, we've got a problem with

572
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: this belt. We're noticing this belt failure, or we're noticing

573
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: a tension or failure, or we're noticing any one of

574
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: a hundred possible problems. They come to you to solve it, right,

575
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: And that's a testimony to the prowess of Gates of

576
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: what you guys can do.

577
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's definitely a good point. And for sure,

578
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 5: sometimes the OEM design is not as robust in real

579
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: life as it is in testing, and so they'll certainly

580
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: come back and say, hey, this doesn't work and we're

581
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: getting complaints or whatever it may be field issues, and

582
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: we'll certainly work with them on providing a solution. We've

583
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 5: been doing it for over one hundred years, as you mentioned,

584
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: and we'll keep doing it for hopefully at least another

585
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 5: one hundred more.

586
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: I've planned to be here for another hundred more so

587
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I can continue to use your products. Where can the

588
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: listeners get more information, Drew, Go slow, because there's a

589
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: couple of websites here, right, Yeah.

590
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 5: Sure, So the main one would just be Gates dot

591
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 5: com g A T E s dot com, and then

592
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: the best one to direct customers to would be Gates

593
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 5: dot com slash protect. That's where we've got most of

594
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 5: our information. And then our cataloging website for anything about

595
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: parts for a specific vehicle that is navit Gates N

596
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 5: A v I, G A T E S dot Gate

597
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: dot com.

598
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: Cool beans. Drew, thank you and thank you for taking

599
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: the time, and thanks for everything you guys do.

600
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: You make.

601
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: You make this this, this tired Hold Mechanics life a

602
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: whole lot easier in a lot of ways.

603
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: I'll be love to hear Ron. Thanks for the time.

604
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: You're very welcome, sir. You take good Caraman and any

605
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: and the car doctor. We'll be back right after this.

606
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 6: Don't go away.

607
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome back, Hey, listen. I want to thank

608
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: Drew Conklin for taking the time today. I appreciated, Drew.

609
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: We're all busy and uh, you know, good solid information.

610
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Let's do a quick piece of email as we close out. Hey, Ron,

611
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: this is from Doug in the Bronx, the Bronx, New York.

612
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: The Bronx, the Bronx. You ever noticed it's the Bronx Anyway,

613
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: It's never the Bronx. It's the Bronx. So tom Rail

614
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: could test to that with that with one hundred percent certainty.

615
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Doug. Doug Rohade and he said, Hey, Ron,

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00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: I've got an older Toyota Camry two thousand and five.

617
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm interested in two centsor health. I'm more concerned about

618
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: changing it. I have no fault codes, but I know

619
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Speaker 1: things we're out over time. What do you think about

620
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: replacing the two without having a problem? Am I jumping

621
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: the gun?

622
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: No?

623
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: You know what, Doug, You're not. And as a matter

624
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: of fact, the vehicle is approaching what nineteen years old?

625
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: You know you should be aware that. Yeah, sensors do

626
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: slow down, things do go bad. As a matter of fact,

627
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I was reading online. If you go out to carmd

628
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: dot com right CARMD dot com. They've got a list

629
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: what they call their car MD twenty twenty three Vehicle

630
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Health Index, and it shows you things that fail, approximate

631
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: age when they fail, and approximate costs to repair. It's

632
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of neat, and they make a case for changing

633
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: things based on well, you know, general health and it's

634
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: it's important. Now you need a scan tool to check

635
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: on some of these things. You can also visit a

636
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: Nova I double n Ova. I was out there looking

637
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: at their website as well, a Nova dot com and

638
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: they've got a great assortment of scan tools and you'll

639
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: find the one that's right for you. Between a Nova

640
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: and CARMD. Some good solid information, Doug, and for everybody else.

641
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think looking at O two sensor activity,

642
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: looking at O two sensor longevity, you know, one of

643
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: the things that you have to be concerned about is

644
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: letting things to me an O two censor, an oxygen sensor,

645
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: or an air fuel sensor. You know, they become maintenance

646
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: items after a certain amount of time. You don't tell

647
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: me how many miles are on this car, Doug, but

648
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you know it's hired. It's probably in the

649
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: one fifty to two hudred thousand mile range. It's an

650
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: older Camry. You know, we'll actually come out of the

651
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: out of the component, will come out of the exhaust manifold,

652
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: will look come out of the exhaust pipe. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we always get into that too. We always have that conversation,

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Speaker 1: so sometimes being preemptive listen, you know, and I looked

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Speaker 1: at this right on car MD's website, they point out

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Speaker 1: that the average O two censor replacement is about two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty bucks, and I agree with that, right,

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: it's typically an hour's labor, maybe forty five minutes labor

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Speaker 1: plus the part. And you know, when you compare maintenance

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Speaker 1: such as a critical sensor such as an oxygen sensor

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Speaker 1: replacement versus replacing the car, you know, I read an

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Speaker 1: article research. Kathy sent us a story the other day

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Speaker 1: that the average used car in America today is Tom,

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Speaker 1: you want to jump in here, Tom, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the app average? What would you pay for? What

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Speaker 1: do you think the average used car is nowadays? Cost

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Speaker 1: was I was watching the news the other day and

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Speaker 1: they said it was around forty eight thousand, five hundred.

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Speaker 1: Well that's new I'm talking used. Oh, used used I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say about twenty eight or thirty. Well, you

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Speaker 1: can actually buy a They say the entry level for

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Speaker 1: a used car. Entry level is twenty grand. Twenty grand.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know. I remember when you know, you

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Speaker 1: buy a three hundred dollars car and you drive it

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Speaker 1: for two years and sell it for three hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: and go on to the next three hundred dollars car.

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding, yeah, jeez, yeah, So twenty grand. So you

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Speaker 1: stuff to think now that twenty thousand dollars car probably

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Speaker 1: needs an oxygen sensor, okay, and it needs a bunch

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Speaker 1: of maintenance and a bunch of repairs. So it's more

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Speaker 1: difficult to buy a car now, I think than ever

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Speaker 1: before in terms of cost. It's tough to afford. So

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Speaker 1: you know what doug for you and everybody else out there,

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Speaker 1: Get out the car md dot com, read all about their

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Speaker 1: vehicle health index, get out to a nova, buy yourself

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Speaker 1: a skin to start fixing and repairing cars, because that's

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Speaker 1: what you want to do. You want to keep that

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Speaker 1: car going longer. It really is an important piece of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle. I can't recommend it enough. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you real quick about this twenty seventeen GM Acadia.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to close the show with this today. I've

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Speaker 1: been trying to talk about this all day. Today. We

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Speaker 1: had a twenty seventeen Akadia that came in had been

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand miles since we'd last seen the car. A

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00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: lot of happened in that twenty thousand miles in one year.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that happened was that developed a

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Speaker 1: stutter that it would just violently go into this misfire

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Speaker 1: and shake. But when you drove around with it and

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00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: you had your scan tool hooked up, you were looking

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Speaker 1: at a completely different car. It was like you were

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: driving one car and looking at scanned ata from another.

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Speaker 1: Looked at the transmission there were no faults. Look at

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00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: transmission operation, no issues. Looked at the engine operation. All

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00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: the vitals were there. Turns out, and had bad fuel

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Speaker 1: in it. So sometimes having a scan tool will tell

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00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: you what you need to know that sometimes you need

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Speaker 1: to go look elsewhere, because it's not what's in front

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Speaker 1: of you, it's what's around you. I'm not an ady

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Speaker 1: in the car doctor, reminding you till the next time.

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Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless, See you