1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, this morning, when 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I dropped the twins off at school, I watched them 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: till they walked all the way in. I drove off, 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: and I worried about them. That started the first time 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: we had a babysitter. Because no matter how much you 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: think you know other people, you can be proven wrong. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about daycare disasters and babysitters straight from 8 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: hell today. What can we learn from other crime victims, 9 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: parents who wish they had made a different decision. Don't 10 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: be a victim. Fight back against America's crime wave. This 11 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: book is not to instill fear in you. This book 12 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: is to arm you with information to potentially save your 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: life and protect your children. You know what, when I 14 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: gave birth, I vowed that day that I would spend 15 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: the rest of my life doing everything I can to 16 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: protect my children. And I know you feel the same way. 17 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. How's a 18 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: baby sand breathing? You can place set all right? He's 19 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: not focusing with his eyes. He's making you. I cannot 20 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: even stand to listen to that. It hurts me so 21 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: much to think of baby Mattie dying. Take a listen 22 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: to our friend Bill Curtis, American Justice. When paramedics arrived, 23 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Woodward led them to the dining room where eight month 24 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: old Matthew Eapen was lying unconscious on the floor. The 25 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: infant was gasping for breath and jerking uncontrollably. While the 26 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: paramedics tried to stabilize Matthew, Woodward paged the baby's mother, 27 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: Deborah again. This time she made contact, told her what 28 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: was happening. Matthew was rushed to Children's Hospital in Boston. 29 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: The boy's parents were both doctors who worked nearby. They 30 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: arrived at the emergency room within minutes. Five days after 31 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: being a minute to Children's Hospital in Boston, baby Mattie died. 32 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: I can't do anything about that, but I can analyze 33 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: what happened while he was there, along with his British nanny, 34 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: the opier, So it doesn't happen again. With me an 35 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it 36 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: back together again. Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor now defense attorney, 37 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Fox contributor joining me out of Manhattan. Doctor Daniel Bober 38 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrists. You can find him on insta A Doctor 39 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Daniel bober. He's the chief of Psychiatry Memorial Regional Healthcare System, 40 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, 41 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: and the star of a new show of Poisonous Liaisons 42 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: on True Crime Network. Joe Scott Morgan, Tom Peterie, America's 43 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: leading personal safety expert and author of Tom Petteri's Personal 44 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Protection Handbook which is Awesome, Doctor Free and hess child 45 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: safety expert, physician, founder of petiemom dot com and the 46 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: Pete Mom podcast. But first to leave a page Crime 47 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Let's first talk about baby 48 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Mattie Eapen and then nanny that killed him that was 49 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: found guilty by a jury. Louise Woodward. Is it true 50 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: that she would leave the family home was she was 51 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be living and would go see a Broadway show? 52 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: I believe it was rant almost thirty times. You're correct, Nancy. 53 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: In this nineteen year old British nanny Louise Woodward, she 54 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: had worked previously for another family in the suburbs of Boston, 55 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: but she thought that that was too far away from 56 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: Boston for her to enjoy the Boston nightlife, so she 57 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: took a job with the Epon family in Newton, Massachusetts, 58 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and they complained that she was out all the time, 59 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: out into the wee hours of the morning, and when 60 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: it came time to watch baby Matthew, that she wasn't 61 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: ready many times and they complained about her. They told 62 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: her to get in shape her they were going to 63 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: have to fire her. And then right after that, Baby 64 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: Maddie is shaken according to experts, until he suffered shaken 65 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: baby syndrome and ultimately Baby Maddie died. Let me go 66 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics death investigator, 67 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: explain what I mean by shaking baby syndrome. With shaken 68 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: baby syndrome, Nancy, this is something that you commonly see 69 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: with caretakers that express their frustration with not being able 70 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: to manage a child quiet and a child. So what 71 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: they will do literally is grabbed the child many times 72 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: by their shoulders and they will shake them vigorously, and 73 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: this can lead to all kinds of damage to particularly 74 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the neurosystem talking about the brain, where the brain is 75 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: kind of literally slashing around inside of the skull. There's 76 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: also evidence that this can lead to things like detached retinas. 77 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: There have been kids that have been placed into deep 78 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: comas and obviously children that have eventually died as well. 79 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: To doctor Free and hass physician child safety expert, and 80 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: you can find doctor Hassett Pete as in Pediatrician petemom 81 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor hass again, thank you for being with us. 82 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: What are the signs of shaking baby syndrome? There are 83 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: actually quite a few. Sometimes they can be subtled depending 84 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: on how often and how often it's happening and how 85 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: extreme it is. During that episode. Oftentimes the child will 86 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: appear tired, fussy, seem overly cranky, which actually makes things 87 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: worse because oftentimes this is due to a baby crying 88 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: and a frustrated caregiver, and so they then shake them 89 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: and they become more irritable crying, they start vombiting. Oftentimes, 90 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: they can start becoming depress, meaning that they are sluggish, 91 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: They can become floppy, they can have difficulty breathing, and 92 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: if it becomes severe enough, they can go into a 93 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: coma and they can die. Shake a baby syndrome also 94 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: known as shake an impact syndrome. It's a serious, serious 95 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: form of abuse inflicted on a child. It occurs when 96 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: a caregiver or parent shakes the baby violently and the 97 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: brain is going back and forth against the inside of 98 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the skull and just got morgod. It's my understanding that 99 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: because the brain is hitting up against the inside of 100 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: the skull, the brain starts to swell, and at some point, 101 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: if you don't put a shunt or a hole in 102 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: the top of the head with a tube in it 103 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: to release the pressure and to somewhat open the skull 104 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: for the brain to swell and then subside, then the 105 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: baby will either be profoundly handicapped due to the brain 106 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: swelling up against the skull and being damaged, or the 107 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: baby will die. Yeah, Nancy, And this leads to a's 108 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: what's kind of a congestive event in the brain. The brain, 109 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind, the skull is very static. 110 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: It's absolutely static. It's a bony structure. And then you've 111 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: got the soft, malleable, pliable organ that's contained their end 112 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and it begins to swell and press against the size. 113 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: So you know you were referring to placing the shunt. 114 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: This literally relieves the pressure the Epens. Maddie EPEN's parents 115 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: both doctors. They vetted Louise Woodward very heavily. She came 116 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: from a very well to do, well known prestigious nanny. 117 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: How can I say firm she had the British accent. 118 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: She had where he thought the education, But what she 119 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't have is skills with the baby, Baby Maddie dead 120 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, how can you protect your child? 121 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: That is what we're talking about right now, And in 122 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: my book took two years to research, study and write 123 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: this for you. You just heard a scary but true 124 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: story about Louise Woodward and baby Maddie. To top it 125 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: all off, the mom Deborah Epen got rooms of hate 126 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: mail because she worked. Yes, because she had a job 127 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: as a physician, she reduced the time she went to 128 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: work so she could come home and breastfeed and be 129 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: with baby Maddie. She's working a couple and a half days, 130 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: but people still attacked her because she was a working mom. 131 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: Can you imagine losing your baby and then being the 132 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: subject of hateful trolls. That is what she has endured. 133 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: And just so you know, the trial judge, even after 134 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: the jury returning guilty verdict, Judge Hillard and Zoe bell 135 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: as I recall his name being let the nanny Louise 136 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: Woodward walk free. That's just a tip of the iceberg. 137 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: I want to touch on daycare workers, caregivers that come 138 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: into your home and when you leave your child at 139 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: their home. Take a listen to our friend Heatherly at 140 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: KMG Fox forty four. October twenty nine, thirty three year 141 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: old Rochelle Sapp was watching three year old Autumn Eldersma 142 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: at her in home daycare center. According to newly released 143 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: court documents, Sapp called Autom's mother around nine o'clock that 144 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: morning to tell her Autumn had fallen down the stairs. 145 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: She said she would keep a close eye on Autumn 146 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: and give her some tylan all. Not even twenty minutes later, 147 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: Sap called Autumn's mother again to tell her Autumn was 148 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: quote way out of it and that she thought her 149 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: neck was hurt. Autumn's mother rushed to SAP's house. Autumn 150 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: was taken to Orange City Hospital, but because her injuries 151 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: were so bad, she was airlifted to a hospital in 152 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: sux Falls. Doctors there diagnosed her with the skull fracture 153 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and brain swelling. She died of her injuries October thirty first, 154 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: SAP's initial claimed that Autumn fell down the stairs didn't 155 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: match up with a medical opinion that the little girl's 156 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: injuries were not consistent with that kind of fall. Sap 157 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: later told police she threw the girl down hard on 158 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: the floor, causing her to hit her head, because she 159 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: was frustrated with Autumn, who was having trouble getting her 160 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: jacket off. To my longtime colleague and personal friend, Doug Burns, Doug, 161 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I know you're a high profile criminal defense attorney now, 162 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: but you are wants the federal prosecutor, and you have 163 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: raised and help raised plenty of children. Okay, so if 164 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: you could for me, as a favor, take off your 165 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: defense hat. How dare she throw this baby girl down 166 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: the stairs? Because the baby girl loved her new coat 167 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and did not want to take her coat off, she 168 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: threw her down the stairs and she died. Another thing, 169 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: here's my question, Doug, not hypothetical, not rhetorical, but have 170 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: you noticed because I have noticed it all the years 171 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: I prosecuted all the different trials that would be murderer, drugs, rape, 172 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: a bank robbery, I noticed, Doug, that when the victim 173 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: is a child, more often you see cheap plea deals, 174 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know why that is. You get an 175 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: infant that's murdered or a little girl like Autumn, and 176 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: somehow it always goes down to volunteery manslaur not me. 177 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: Oh h e double il n oh. But I did 178 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: notice overall that when the victim is a child, the 179 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: plea deal is cheaper. Did you ever notice that? You know, 180 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I was studying the materials and so forth. 181 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: You know, for this morning. That's why you win all 182 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: your cases, Doug Burns, because you are a worker. Go ahead, Yeah, well, 183 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate that you know, basic old school work ethic, 184 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: learned that from my late father. But the point is, 185 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: in studying, I was saying to myself, because you know, 186 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: a lot of what I've spent my time in is 187 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: you know, a white collar and financial crime and so on, 188 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: and been in some organized crime. Not so much this area. 189 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: But you know, I've worked with you for years. You 190 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: know it's been fantastic on these type of issues. But 191 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: the point is I was saying to myself, Chief, these 192 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: sentences seem extremely low and back to the case that 193 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned with Louise Woodward, I mean, judge let her 194 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: leave prison after something like two hundred and thirty nine days, 195 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: and I'm scratching my head saying, what is the story 196 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: with that? But to your question and to your point, 197 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: I definitely have noticed a trend which is yes, and 198 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: it's probably you know. I would defer to the physicians 199 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: and psychiatrists. They're not in you're in core. I need 200 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: an answer type a human nature point. Yeah, some type 201 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: of human nature, A point about how you know the 202 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: victim is an infant versus a full grown adult. But 203 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: to tell you the truth, I find it surprising as 204 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: you raised it, Nncy, It's true and I noticed it 205 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: emphatically as a prosecutor. And now and Burns is pointing 206 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: out that even a judge did it. When day burn 207 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: said the judge let Louise Woodward out after two hundred 208 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: plus days, she got time served. That's how long she 209 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: had been in waiting for trial since baby maybe Maddie died. 210 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: She walked out of the courthouse to doctor Daniel Bober, 211 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: forensics psychiatry Chief of Psychiatry, Memorial Regional Healthcare System. Doctor Bober, 212 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: I think it's because very often when you have child 213 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: homicide or infant homicide, the perp is a woman. I mean, 214 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: think about top Mom Casey Anthony just an example. People 215 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: look at her and they think, oh, she's a young mom, 216 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: she would never do that. It's ingrained in us because 217 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: we think of our mother, our own mother, and when 218 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: you think of a mother, you don't think of killing 219 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: a child. So when you have a woman defendant, very 220 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: often they get a break because of their gender. That's 221 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: what I think, doctor Bober. Yeah, it's absolutely Nancy. There 222 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: really is a gender differential reaction. There are people do 223 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: react differently to different sexes, for sure, And you know 224 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: in these types of cases, you know, this is everyone's 225 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: worst nightmare. But people, you know, get these nannies and 226 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: they do background checks on them and you think, you know, 227 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: you can trust it, but you really can't because you 228 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: just don't know what's in their background and what have 229 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: not been discovered as it yet to Tampa Cherry, America's 230 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: leading personal safety expert, author of Tampa Cherry's Personal Protection Handbook, 231 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: which is awesome Tom. In the book Don't Be a Victim, 232 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Fight Back against America's Crime Wave, I talk about how 233 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: to keep your child safe from hellish daycare providers. Now 234 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: knowing what I know, and seeing what I've seen. I 235 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: constantly and when the children, especially were too young to 236 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: tell me what was going on, did surprise visits at 237 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: the daycare. Don't laugh, but terry, but very often my 238 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: husband want them to get in daycare. You know, fine. 239 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: I threw a fit, but finally I'm like, okay, I'll 240 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: go two days a week, two hours at a time. 241 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: I was so worried because they'd screen bloody murder when 242 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: I would leave, and I would very often sit in 243 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: the parking lot and you be quiet, because I don't 244 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: want to hear any snickering from you over there in 245 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: the corner. I was sit in the parking lot and 246 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: work because I was in the middle of writing a 247 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: book at that time, and I'd bring a towel in 248 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: case it was riting. And I would very often go 249 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: up to the window where they were and look in. 250 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: And at first I think the teachers were a little afraid, 251 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: but after that they got used to it because I 252 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: didn't trust them. What are your suggestions for keeping your 253 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: children safe? Like with Autumn, she was at an in 254 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: home daycare where a woman kept children in her home 255 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: or sometimes are unlicensed. What is your suggestion for parents well, 256 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: first of all, you bring up some great points. I 257 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: went through that too with my son. You know, as 258 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: parents were providers, were caregivers, but most of all were protectors. 259 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I always teach my 260 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: parents to do that I train is listen. You walk 261 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: into a daycare facility, don't look at it from your eyes, 262 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: look at it from a child eyes. So get down 263 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: low on your side, you know, to your knees. Look 264 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: at what things could be obstacle or hurting devices for 265 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: a child. The second thing which you did naturally is 266 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: keep them in spotlight. Make sure they know you're over concerned, 267 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: make sure that you call at random times, make sure 268 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: you check and balance on unpredictable times. By keeping them 269 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: in spotlight, keeps them on their toes and understands that 270 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: you know this baby, your child is the most precious 271 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: thing on life for you as well as for them. Well, 272 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: put Tom Terry crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're 273 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: talking about don't be a victim. How can you protect 274 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: your children? Here's just a few. I mean, I got 275 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: carried away. No more I would work in a chapter. 276 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: The more ideas I would have, the more tips I 277 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: would find from other professionals, like you're hearing right now. 278 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: For instance, Oh, make sure the provider does not include 279 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: anyone under qualify to take care of your children. What 280 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: is the pickup policy? Does the provider have written policies 281 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: on medication? Here's a good one. Don't have a pool 282 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: or pond anywhere near the play area period. I nearly 283 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: did a backflip, but our little Methodist church put a 284 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: little pond in the play area for the children. I 285 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: spoke to them on a level that they would understand. 286 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: I said, you're gonna get sued, okay, not by me 287 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: because my children know how to swim, but by the 288 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: family where this child is going to fall in that 289 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: end up upside down under the water, even though it's 290 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: not deep. They got rid of that prompto, thank goodness. 291 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: See background checks on every person working there who should 292 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: be checked. Everybody run vehicle checks for their history. Do 293 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you want somebody that has had multiple crashes and it 294 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: was their fault? Our male repairmen, our service providers on 295 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: the premises. Often if other parents are allowed to visit, 296 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: are they ever alone with your child? Could the daycare 297 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: at center provide references from other parents? They should? And 298 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: if they get angry when you ask. Then you're at 299 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: the wrong place. Is there a qualified health professional for 300 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: the provider? Do they have written policies on medication? Which 301 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: leads me to the next story, A true story. Listen 302 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: to our friend Nathaniel read NBC five. Brenda Colburn received 303 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: news no grandparent wants to hear. I I got a 304 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: call from my daughter. I work at the hospital, and 305 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: she said, are you still at work? And I said no. 306 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: When she said, well, Harper's going to the hospital. Brenda 307 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: six month old granddaughter, Harper Rose Brier died on January 308 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: twenty fourth. During that time, you know all, I kept 309 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: telling myself clothes, I needed to be strong for my 310 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: daughter in her fiance at the time, because they needed 311 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: their strength. They needed me to be there and be 312 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: strong for them. Court documents say Harper died after ingesting 313 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: more than a standard dose of an over the counter 314 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: antihistamine and sedative while in the care of a daycare 315 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: program run by Stacy Valancourt. She is now facing manslaughter 316 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: and child cruelty charges. Straight out to our crimal line 317 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, what happened to Harper 318 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: Rose So Nancy. This is a case out of Rutland, 319 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: Vermont and Harper Rose Brier is six month old. A 320 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: little baby was found unresponsive while in the care of 321 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: fifty three year old Stacy Valancourt. She ran a childcare 322 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: facility out of her home. She called nine one, paramedics came, 323 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: got the baby, rushed the baby to the er. The 324 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: baby died, and an autopsy report showed that baby Harper 325 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: was given a fatal amount of antihistamines by Valancourt. The 326 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: anihistamine is deepened hydramamine and it's used to treat cold 327 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: and allergy symptoms. But it also sedates you when you 328 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: take it. And this is a drug, and it says 329 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: this on the warning label that you do not give 330 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: it to infants unless a doctor advises someone to give 331 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: it to an infant. But this baby Harper had this 332 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: drug in her system. Oh man, she didn't just have 333 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: it in her system. She had a ton of it 334 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: in her system. And I'll tell you why the baby 335 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: got the vinetral because she wanted the daycare wanted her 336 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: doped up to go to sleep so they wouldn't have 337 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: to take care of her. Listen to this, and I 338 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: write about Harper Rose Bryer in the book on page 339 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: seventy eight. As much as the mts and others try, 340 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: they could not revise baby Harper. Mommy couldn't understand what happened. 341 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: Harper had been perfectly fine that morning. The final autopsy 342 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: reports state Harper was found unresponsive, extremely high concentrations of 343 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the main ingredient in Benadrill. Prosecutors allege Valancourt sedated and 344 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: otherwise beautiful, happy, healthy, six month old child, where the 345 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: baby could not lift her head and die. When Valancourt's 346 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: legal team says she is not guilty, forty supporters of 347 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: Harper were there, all of them wearing pink T shirts 348 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: saying justice for Harper Rose. I end the segment by saying, 349 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: as I go about my days and nights taking care 350 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: of the twins, I think about Harper's mom and dad. 351 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: They are making T shirts and planning the next court 352 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: date and remembering their little girl. Joe Scott Morgan explain 353 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: what benadrill does to a child. Yeah, n see, it 354 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: is an antihistamine, which means that it will essentially knock 355 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: those allergies down. It will enable you to get a 356 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: decent night's rest. Your eyes are not going to be 357 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: as running and congested. But this is the problem with 358 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: a baby, for instance, most of the time, and to 359 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, it's applied with a dropper. 360 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: It comes in a liquid form. And what happens when 361 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: you overdose a little baby whose system is so very fragile, Nancy, 362 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: It leads to things like a respiratory failure, for instance, 363 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: because it slows the breathing so much. It also slows 364 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: the heart rate, which is very very dangerous that you 365 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: will hear about hypertension. This can make a baby hypotensive 366 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and so their blood pressure will drop out and suddenly 367 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: you have a child that's in full cardiac arrest. Well, 368 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: baby Harper, I'm sad to say, is not the only 369 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: child that died in this manner. Take a list to 370 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: our friend Marissa Ultra Brounch needs twelve posta. Harold Cardillo 371 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: ran an unlicensed daycare out of her home on Edgewood 372 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: Road for eleven years. Adam had only been in her 373 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: care for eleven days when he died in March twenty sixteen. 374 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: What his parents thought was sid's. An autopsy revealed to 375 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: be a deadly overdose of ben and drill. Court records 376 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: found Cardillo had bought ninety bottles of the antihistamine over 377 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: three years, mostly children's flavor. I want the court to 378 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: know that I am here said that this has happened 379 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: to a beautiful little play. He was a beautiful little poy. 380 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: During Cardillo's statement, she never apologized or addressed Siegal's parents. 381 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: She told the court she's always tried to lead a 382 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: kind and generous life. I ask you she usual best judgment, wisdom, 383 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: compassionate mercy, not only for myself a place to start. 384 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear what say the baby 385 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: is dead and she can go on and on and 386 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: on about how compassionate she is, But the baby is 387 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: dead doped up on benadill. Did you hear that? That's 388 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: well over gosh nami bottles between one and three gallons 389 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: of benadrill. What is she taking that herself? To? Our 390 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: friend doctor free and Hess, physician chall safety expert, founder 391 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: of Pedmom, said pediatrician pedemom dot com and the Pedemom podcast, 392 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Hess, explain to me how ben a drill and 393 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: babies don't mix and how you can stop a daycare 394 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: provider from doping your child up. Yeah, So just so 395 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: that everybody understands, we actually don't suggest benadrill in children 396 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: even under six, without speaking to a physician first, and 397 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: especially in children under one. Even when I see children 398 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: in the pediatric emergency room and they're under one, I'm 399 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: still a little concerned to give it myself, never mind 400 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: for anybody else. So absolutely, this medication should not have 401 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: been given to children of that age, any infant. It 402 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: can cut seizures, arrhythmia, and coma. I mean, it's really 403 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: really concerning. We don't know how the metabolism works for kids. 404 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: A lot of times under six months of age, they 405 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: don't metabolize medications the same, which is why we're a 406 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: lot more cautious with them, and this particular medicine can 407 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: be very dangerous. So absolutely, one of the things I 408 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: think parents need to be sure of is that they're 409 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: confirming with the daycare worker that they are outrightuting not 410 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: to give any medication without a discussion first and without 411 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: a physician to approval. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 412 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: how can you protect your child from daycare dangers and 413 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: babysitters nanny's from hell? What I'm talking to you about 414 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: today is really the tip of the ice bar because 415 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: I spend pages and pages and pages devoted to this subject. Adult. 416 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: These are just a vic tips of the icebergs in 417 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: protecting your child. Take a Listen to Courtney Coles, CBS 418 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: forty seven, Jacksonville, tess So. They were called out to 419 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: the center just after one this afternoon. When they arrived, 420 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: they tried to help jfrt resuscitate the unconscious infant who 421 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: wasn't breathing while in a car seat. The child was 422 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: immediately taken to the hospital. Love and Hope Preschool Daycare 423 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: anything but and that baby girls not the only one, 424 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KATV news. Police describe the 425 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: disregard for safety protocols as reckless. The family wouldn't be 426 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: plane at a funeral, they would be waiting for Christopher 427 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: get almost afternoon, but police say four employees didn't do 428 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: their jobs. The driver, Felicia Phillips and her assistant Pamela Robinson, 429 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: were responsible for unloading the kids, who were then supposed 430 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: to be checked off a list by transportation supervisor Wanta Taylor. 431 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: When they walked in the classroom, she actually checked him 432 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: in as being in the classroom, though he never made 433 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: it into the classroom. Kendrew Washington was the fourth line 434 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: of defense. She's supposed to go outside and look in 435 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: the van. So the daycare had all these precautions. This 436 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: one is supposed to get the children out of the van. 437 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: This one is supposed to check the van. This one 438 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: is supposed to check the children in as they come 439 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: in the door. This one's supposed to go out and 440 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: search the van. Again, that's odd. Five levels of protocol 441 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: and they were all totally ignored. And yet another baby 442 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: a daycare dies and a hot van. Speaking of in 443 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: home nanny's in babysitters, you got to do a background check. 444 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: They're easy to do. You can actually do them online. 445 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: If the babysitter won't give you a full name in dB, 446 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: you got the wrong candidate. Also make sure you look 447 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: at their social media. You don't want somebody out I 448 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: sucking on a bog or drive been drunk with a 449 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: bottle in their hand in the car. You can learn 450 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: so much you it's on you, you parent. It's your 451 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: duty to check out who is with your children, not 452 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: just the babysitters, but the teachers at school. Two. You 453 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: know I've checked every one of my teachers out from 454 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: my children. That's twins, and there are different classes. That's 455 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: a lot of teachers. Same thing goes for credit check. 456 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Trust me, you may think I'm going overboard. You'll thank 457 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: me later. Don't judge a book by its cover. Please don't. 458 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: These daycarees, teachers and in home babysitters they look great. 459 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: The babies are dead. Don't judge the book by the cover. 460 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Look them up on social media, ask friends, neighbors, or 461 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: co workers for recommendations. You can do initial screenings over 462 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: the phone. I will never forget the first babysitters I 463 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: was getting for the twins when we would be in Atlanta. 464 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: They sounded great on the phone. Their recommendations look great. 465 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: I met with them their three sisters. They stumped a 466 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: high heaven of nicotine. Now you know, babies that are 467 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: exposed to nicotine have a higher chance of sid's Sudden 468 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: infant death syndrome. I said, hey, do y'all smoke? And 469 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: they no, So you know I believe. I said, we 470 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: were just in somewhere and everybody was smoking. I'm like, okay, 471 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: so I just had a feeling. I met with them again. 472 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: They stunt of smoke again, all three of them. Number one, 473 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: they were lying, and number two, if they were too 474 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: dumb to chew gum and change clothes, they're not smart 475 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: enough to keep the children. I can't tell you that 476 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: right now. If possible, interview with a husband, partner, or friend. 477 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: They may pick up on things you don't. Oh yeah, 478 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: here it does smell them. The last thing you want 479 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: is somebody that smells or reeks a pot or alcohol 480 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: taking care of your your baby. Before you formerly hire them, 481 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: get that background check, don't be embarrassed. Get a nannycam. 482 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Don't even get me started about how many people have 483 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: caught babysitters and daycare workers dragging their children around, slapping 484 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: them in the face, typically in home nanny cam's I 485 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: vote for live streaming. In daycare, nobody's listening to me. 486 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: They even have live streaming where they take care of 487 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: your cat and dog. Why not your baby? Try the 488 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: nanny for a short while a week or so. Make 489 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: it clear it's a test run. Make sure you're nanny 490 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: nos CPR in first aid. Check the driving history. You 491 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: don't want your nanny or your babysitter driving your child 492 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: around when they have a driving history. As long as 493 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: my left arm. Take a listen to Dominique Sasha KPRC. 494 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: Smoke pouring from a home daycare the chilling call to 495 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: nine and the daycare owner, Jessica Tata, arrested, charged and 496 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: sent to prison for eighty years after leaving a group 497 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: of children alone with a pan of grease on the 498 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: stove while she went shopping. Four of the seven children 499 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: inside that daycare died. Tiffany Dickerson had two children at 500 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: Jessica Tata's daycare on February twenty four, twenty eleven. Her 501 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: three year old son, Shamari, never made it out, but 502 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: her daughter Michaela, then two years old, survived, but was 503 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: severely burned. I pulled back the sheeting she like appealed lobster. 504 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: All I saw was flesh and I was just thinking 505 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: to myself, like, I don't know how they're going to 506 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: save her legs. Michaela was rushed to Shriner's Hospital in Galveston, 507 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: where Tiffany credits the medical team with saving Michaela's legs 508 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and placing her on a path to recovery. I don't 509 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: want you to be upset. I'm getting up set just 510 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: hearing this, But what I want you to do is 511 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: take action and protect your children. I know we don't 512 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: want to think that the babysitter, of the nanny or 513 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: the daycare could be negligent. Like this woman was Tata 514 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: who actually went to Target. She wasn't even in a hurry, 515 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: according to the shop, to the salespeople, She's just taking 516 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: her time, leaving all those children at home with a 517 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: stove on and a pan of hot grease. If you 518 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: think you've heard it all, I hate to be the 519 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: one to break it to you. You haven't. Take a 520 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 1: list of our friends at ABCGMA this morning, a mother 521 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: is suing over troubling footage showing preschoolers taking part in 522 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: what she calls a toddler fight club. In the twenty 523 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: sixteen video, teachers are seen cheering the young children on 524 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: One jumps enthusiastically while the other helps students put on 525 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: toy fists. One little boy on camera tries to break 526 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: up the fight. The incident came to light after a 527 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: ten year old boy captured this video on his iPad 528 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: showing his four year old brother allegedly being forced to 529 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: fight with another student. They're fighting, he went and had 530 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: his iPad on him that day. Who knows if we 531 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: even would have found out about this. The boy's mother, 532 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: Nicole Mercial, immediately reported the incident to the school and 533 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: to authorities, but while the two teachers seen in the 534 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: video were fired, the state did not file any criminal charges. 535 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: No one's being held accountable, and if I'm not a 536 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: voice for my children, who will be now? Mercial is 537 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: suing a daycare for more than twenty five thousand dollars 538 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: and hopes the state will reconsider filing charges. A taught 539 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: fight club led by the teachers. Don't be a victim, 540 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: and don't let your children be victims. They can't speak 541 00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: for themselves. Fight back against America's Crimewaye Nancy Grace, I'm 542 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: story signing up, Goodbye friend,