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Speaker 1: Hello, one two, one two, Okay, Hi everyone, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. If you guys could see

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Speaker 1: what just happened there, we had our little tiny mics

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Speaker 1: and we thought Kitlin was a ghost. What we didn't

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Speaker 1: my phone correctly and into our system anyway. Caitlin, welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back from Europe.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here. I'm glad to be alive, Glad.

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Speaker 1: To be alive. We thought Caitlin was a ghost there

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Speaker 1: for a second.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who's listened to this podcast for more than a

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Speaker 2: couple of years may remember before we had makeup films,

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Speaker 2: when we just basically yelled into ten cans. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: the idea on this was so atrocious, and you guys

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Speaker 2: listened anyway, So thank you, Thank us.

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Speaker 1: Guys. Listen, I know, have patience with us. Alright, I'm

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Speaker 1: setting up at all this stuff. We're trying to do

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Speaker 1: our best. Caitlyn's just cut back from Europe by the

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Speaker 1: Hannah Burner on the show last week. How great was that?

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Speaker 2: What a great episode.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, listen, there are some people on

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Speaker 1: tennis networks or tennis experts that have never played tennis.

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Speaker 2: Before, and there's people with good microphones and bad content.

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Speaker 1: And Cannaburna is a different story because she actually was

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Speaker 1: a D one college player and played number one at

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Speaker 1: a very good school. So, Hannah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: She's on tour, so go see her. But what a

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Speaker 1: fun week of tennis. Caitlin, Oh Canada.

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Speaker 2: My wond regret about going to jaunting off to Europe,

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Speaker 2: the tournament of the of history for Montrealers or Canada,

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Speaker 2: for Canadians. That was about as close to a slam

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Speaker 2: dunk a heralded but unproven newcomer.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was funny because they said, are the first

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Speaker 1: Bianca undrescue right, whatever happened, I mean, Bianca man, what

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Speaker 1: that for a seconds, like just everybody hold the phone on.

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Speaker 1: Putting a lot of pressure on this young woman who

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Speaker 2: Incredible beating a number of Grant Slime champions. Incredible Sophia

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Speaker 2: candell Rebackna lay down a match point. I mean much, much,

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Speaker 2: Much has been made, rightly so of Victoria and Boco's

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Speaker 2: here's backlash, there's backlash to the backlash, there's stan culture,

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Speaker 2: There's all sorts of stuff. Before we get into any

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Speaker 2: As Andrea Pekovich noted in her excellent Substack, Victoria has

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Speaker 1: What about it. They're just so enthusiastic, Like there's enthusiastic

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Speaker 2: It's the crowd is literally just waiting to the point.

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Speaker 1: Montreal is not really quite like that. But they are

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Speaker 1: It's the there isn't it that you know, this is

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, obviously a lot of people wrote to me.

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Speaker 1: I was a terrible loser. Myself. I'll be quite honest

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Speaker 1: Like figure it out. You can't because you know the

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Speaker 2: The constant amazement I have that people find watch and

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Speaker 2: Also, Serena Williams, to her incredible credit and She's gotten

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Speaker 2: would say acting a little petulantly to not take away

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's done great things, like remember when she beat

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Speaker 1: but that's when she wins. So this is this was

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Speaker 1: a terror. This was This was arguably worse than Sebolanka

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Speaker 2: I totally agree, Like I was more upset about this

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Speaker 2: He's improved his fitness dimensions, But he does. And his backhand, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, if men's were playing best, which is why

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Speaker 2: What is happening?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's an emergency.

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Speaker 1: who's also worked with some great players. Maybe someone like

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Speaker 1: that to come in and give him a new fresh look.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because his coach. His current coach can't

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Speaker 1: do it. But it's just like you need sometimes a

435
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Speaker 1: new outlook. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes

437
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Speaker 2: a new coach is just that new new energy, new ideas,

438
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Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, I always root for Metti just

439
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,960
Speaker 2: because I like his personality and I think he just

440
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 2: brings so much of the tour. But you're right, when

441
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Speaker 2: those balls don't go in, when he isn't able to

442
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Speaker 2: just run everything down.

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Speaker 1: He just looks his hair is out of he's leaving

444
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Speaker 1: the being too long. It's just like there's just something

445
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Speaker 1: going on.

446
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Speaker 2: It looks like he's having an existential crisis.

447
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Speaker 1: He did. I have to say another but behind baseball

448
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 1: in Washington when he lost and he had that moment,

449
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. A lot of people

450
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Speaker 1: like what a tool? What of this?

451
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Speaker 2: What of that?

452
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 1: Was bad? But I sort of get that volatile personality

453
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Speaker 1: because I was a little bit crazy sometimes And I

454
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Speaker 1: literally walked over to him in the players area and

455
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Speaker 1: I just gave him a hug. I said, I think

456
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Speaker 1: I need to just give your any you know, it's

457
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Speaker 1: just everyone goes through this, and it's just whether he

458
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Speaker 1: can snap himself out. And also you have to think

459
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Speaker 1: how depleted he must feel about getting through this Roger

460
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Speaker 1: Rafa Novak sort of play and he gets to the

461
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Speaker 1: number one in the world. He wins the US Open.

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Speaker 1: I think the match that we don't talk about enough

463
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Speaker 1: is that lost to Rafa at the Australian Open up

464
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Speaker 1: two sets to low. He just blew that final. He

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Speaker 1: would have had two Grand Slams in a row. He

466
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Speaker 1: was number one in the world. He was playing unbelievable

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Speaker 1: and I think that match, really, it really it a

468
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Speaker 1: dented him. It's pretty obvious. And so and now olchhrezence

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Speaker 1: in come along and he's like, seriously.

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Speaker 2: There was only that tiny bit of a window. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could see the same thing about Testi pass. You

472
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Speaker 2: can see the same thing about Zverev. Possibly, like all

473
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Speaker 2: of them, you kind of missed their chance.

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Speaker 1: They're gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's a little update

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Speaker 1: on Daniel Collins. She had that she had a back

476
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Speaker 1: problem leaving that court. I do want to bring this

477
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Speaker 1: up because we love our listeners and I'm going to

478
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Speaker 1: give props. I would go into my Twitter, but I

479
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Speaker 1: don't want to f up our podcast. Here by going

480
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Speaker 1: in and pressing a button kind of going wrong. But

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Speaker 1: somebody did send me a video of a tennis channel

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Speaker 1: feed where the Daniel Collins match finished with Taylor Townsend

483
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Speaker 1: hitting a great little angle V running shot. Danielle had

484
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Speaker 1: quit playing because we found out that she has a

485
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Speaker 1: disc problem and she was struggling big time. That's why

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Speaker 1: she just walked off the because she couldn't even pick

487
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Speaker 1: her bags up. But they cut away from the moment

488
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Speaker 1: at the net and we got the back end of

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Speaker 1: them at the net, so nobody knew that. We didn't

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Speaker 1: see them talk. It was Daniel going to lose it.

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Speaker 1: What was going on? Everyone was confused and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: tennis channel. I think it was the because it was

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Speaker 1: an outdoor side court, so it's the whoever's running that

494
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Speaker 1: court from the world feed perspective. I think in London

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Speaker 1: it's either ATP Media or WTA meter or whoever's doing it.

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Speaker 1: If it was a tennis channel, guys, why I cannot

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Speaker 1: say enough. I said it on Twitter, I've said it

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. I said it last week. B Hannah,

499
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Speaker 1: Dear God Almighty, and I know everyone that's listened to

500
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Speaker 1: this podcast is going to feel the same way as me.

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Speaker 1: You cannot take the camera away from the players after

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Speaker 1: the match. I don't want to see the crowd. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see their players box. I want to

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Speaker 1: see the handshake. I want to see the players reaction.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see the fucking players box. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see them. I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: anyone in the crowd. It kills me.

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Speaker 2: We've arrived at my favorite part of the podcast, which

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Speaker 2: is complaining about thee No. But it's not just Daniel Collins,

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Speaker 2: which if.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not Tennis channels, it's everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's whoever's doing these world feeds. It's the French Open.

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Speaker 1: They missed a handshake with Sinna and those guys.

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Speaker 2: It's like they cut away from the ceremony, cinematographers, they

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Speaker 2: cut away from Shelton and Koboli at the net having

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Speaker 2: a very serious no they did. They cut away from

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Speaker 2: it initially, and they came back to it and the

518
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Speaker 2: commentators were like, what's going on? Oh yeah, And the

519
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Speaker 2: reason they cut away from it initially is because they

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Speaker 2: weren't on to the next and they weren't paying attention

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Speaker 2: to the fact that there was like a little bit

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Speaker 2: of beef brewing. So for me, I think I want

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Speaker 2: to set this up a little bit because I don't

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Speaker 2: want you to go into one of your familiar rants,

525
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Speaker 2: because I'm sure you're as tired of doing them as

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Speaker 2: I'm sure our listeners are hearing them. But in my mind,

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Speaker 2: the commentators, the coverage is there to bring me, the

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Speaker 2: audience is the well match. I want to understand what's

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Speaker 2: happening on the court. If there's something that happened in

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Speaker 2: another match that adds to my understanding of this match

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Speaker 2: right now. Sure, if there's something that you want to

532
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Speaker 2: pause and go deeper into on this match right here, fine,

533
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Speaker 2: I don't want to miss the important moments. I don't

534
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Speaker 2: want to miss the player yammering at their coach, even

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Speaker 2: if it's in another language. I remember watching the color

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Speaker 2: those one of the color of those as matches when

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Speaker 2: he had that you know, three am match Againstanic Center

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Speaker 2: and he's speaking to his box in Spanish, and then

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Speaker 2: I've got a few.

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Speaker 1: Of the commentators. Do we have a Google Translate?

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Speaker 2: I wish I knew what he was saying. It was like, well,

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Speaker 2: I know what he's saying, you could probably figure out

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Speaker 2: what he's saying. Let's not cut away from this. The

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Speaker 2: commentators don't, and the coverage doesn't always set itself up

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Speaker 2: to make me the audience understand what's happening on the court,

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Speaker 2: especially if you cut away from it. And so I

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Speaker 2: truly don't understand why missing the handshake, missing these moments

548
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Speaker 2: is part of the coverage. Why, in the age of streaming,

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Speaker 2: why just leave it on?

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Speaker 1: Don't let it just? I just I could. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe when someone's in that to me, and I was like, God,

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Speaker 1: that is as bad as it gets. Like we literally

553
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Speaker 1: they're about to shake hands, and we saw a wide

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Speaker 1: shot of the of the crowd. Directors, producers, please dear God,

555
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Speaker 1: do not take the camera off the players. The most

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Speaker 1: important thing is match points, showing the reactions, showing the

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Speaker 1: showing the handshake, and then showing the players' reactions after

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Speaker 1: with the crowd and that and then after that, when

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit okay, we've seen enough of them,

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Speaker 1: maybe show the players box. We don't need to see

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Speaker 1: the crowd. You could flash to it for a second

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Speaker 1: in Canada to show the crazy crowd reactions. Whatever. Get

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Speaker 1: it back on, VICKI get it back on this. It

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Speaker 1: was just it's just it kills me. And it is

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Speaker 1: incumbent also on and super important for the analysts to

566
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Speaker 1: also pay attention to what is happening as well. So

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Speaker 1: you're explaining that to people at home, for example, and

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Speaker 1: I did explain this last week. You know, you as

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Speaker 1: a player, you sort of know from that gesture that

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Speaker 1: Ben Shelton made about Kobali that was probably Koboli that

571
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Speaker 1: made a remark to him, bit of a direct right now,

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Speaker 1: you it is on you there because the producer might

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Speaker 1: miss that because they've never played professional tennis and they

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Speaker 1: don't sort of know those reactions that it probably came

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Speaker 1: from Koboli. Okay, so you asked the producer, hey, do

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Speaker 1: you have the shot of Koboli what he was doing?

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Speaker 1: Because just so you know, there's about ten cameras out

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Speaker 1: there and they're all on something. They're on the crowd,

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Speaker 1: they're on the player box, they're on the opponent, they're

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Speaker 1: on the person who just hit a winner, they're on

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Speaker 1: the umpire, they're everywhere. The cameras are everywhere, and you

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Speaker 1: can ask your producer do you have a shot of Koboli.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a shot of Danielle Collins win seing

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Speaker 1: on her back and that gives context to what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the court.

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Speaker 2: And it also explains maybe what I'm going to see

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Speaker 2: in five, ten, fifteen minutes, just like, oh, remember we

588
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: saw daniel Collins unable to serve. Oh remember we saw Koboli.

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Speaker 2: I'll say hand gesture, Oh we saw this that was

590
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Speaker 2: leading up to that, and so now we know like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 2: Nu Masaka is probably not going to be in a

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Speaker 2: great headspace to give a speech, so it's probably not going.

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Speaker 1: To be well, we have a camera of her walking

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Speaker 1: off the court.

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Speaker 2: Because we probably should have followed her while she right

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Speaker 2: out of the court, or we have a couple of points

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Speaker 2: where she stopped trying on some of the points, like

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Speaker 2: this is the story is there? You just you're either

599
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Speaker 2: some of the companies are not paying attention to it,

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Speaker 2: or they're yammering away but something else or the camera's

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Speaker 2: not it's just you know, I appreciate the fact, and

602
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I think this is why so many people tell you

603
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: about it, because they know you. It gets you know,

604
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: under your skin. But also you're so good at it,

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00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: which is help us understand.

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Speaker 1: What we're seeing. It's also why it's very important, and

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is what we're going to get to

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Speaker 1: at the you know, at the US Open and ESPN.

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00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: It's like we do and we did this at Wimbledon.

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00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: It's like we have reporters now that are not just

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00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: tennis based, right, they're actual actual journalists, actual reporters like

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00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: you know yourself, you know how this is. They go

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Speaker 1: out and find those stories, right, and they go and

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00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: get those We as analysts shouldn't be doing that. No,

615
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: Like that's not I'm not a journalist.

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Speaker 2: I don't need you to report, but I need you

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Speaker 2: to explain, yes, And I want the journalists to bring

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Speaker 2: stuff and have that both be part of what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 1: But me and I do a lot of court side

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Speaker 1: my job, and my producer tells me this all the times.

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Speaker 1: You're our eyes and ears down on the court. When

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Speaker 1: I see something, I could see something that a person

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Speaker 1: in the booth, for example, doesn't see because I'm so

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00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: close to it, or I have a different angle to them,

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Speaker 1: they might not be able to see it, like you

626
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: was so open. If a player is down the end

627
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: where our commentator booth is and they're right behind the court.

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00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: You cannot see them. I can see them. So it's

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Speaker 1: very important for analysts, for play by play people, for

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Speaker 1: the cameras, for the directors, for the producers to get

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Speaker 1: it all right. And if we do, it's an amazing production.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think you've got to do a

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Speaker 1: better job with that. And I'll just say it for

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Speaker 1: the last time, producers do not take the camera off

635
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Speaker 1: the players shaking hands. I don't care about their playerbox

636
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Speaker 1: and I don't definitely and don't take this the wrong

637
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: way spectators. I don't care about the spectators at that point.

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Speaker 2: I don't question why, yes, especially the spectators. That makes

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00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: absolutely no sense to me. All right, Well, this concludes

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Speaker 2: Renee's new weekly rant about something that's gone wrong about

641
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: tennis coverage, again putting a positive spent on it. It's

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00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: amazing to me that display some of these shortcomings and

643
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Speaker 2: how we bring the sport to people, or how we

644
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: schedule it and how we're passing it that it's still

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Speaker 2: so popular and it's growing, which.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say also provemn these a lot of

647
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Speaker 1: these will feed people that are putting this up and

648
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Speaker 1: giving the feed to Tennis channel or giving the fee

649
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Speaker 1: to you know whoever, the French Federation or whatever. Those

650
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Speaker 1: producers are in a dark truck at two in the

651
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Speaker 1: morning or a five in the morning or whatever, and

652
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Speaker 1: they haven't slept very much and they they are not there,

653
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Speaker 1: so it is hard sometimes for them to get a

654
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Speaker 1: grasp of what's going on. That's why it's important for

655
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Speaker 1: the commentators if they are there on site, they're giving

656
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Speaker 1: them that information as well, so you know, it's not

657
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Speaker 1: a slot. I don't want to like slap every producer

658
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Speaker 1: because they work unbelievably long hours. They's sometimes sitting in

659
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Speaker 1: a chair kye on for like ten hours. It's hard

660
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Speaker 1: and you do lose your focus sometimes. But I'm just

661
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: asking if you are there, that is one thing. Please

662
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Speaker 1: stop showing the crowd.

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Speaker 2: I think for me, truly, truly, some of my favorite

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Speaker 2: match watching are obviously if they can be there in

665
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Speaker 2: person and just watch and absorb, or like sometimes I

666
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Speaker 2: put on the World feed and if it's a match

667
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Speaker 2: nobody cares about. All I get is sailants and the

668
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Speaker 2: crowd and the balls being strung. That's okay too. I

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Speaker 2: just don't want additional production to take away from my

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Speaker 2: tennis watching experience. You're not cinematographers, No, I don't need

671
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Speaker 2: you to do much. Yeah, if you're going to photographers,

672
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Speaker 2: make sure you're adding something. If you're going to show

673
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Speaker 2: me something in a replay or a cutaway, make sure

674
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Speaker 2: it's adding something. If it's not, the match itself is great.

675
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Speaker 2: That's why I'm watching tennis. I don't need every point

676
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Speaker 2: to be a four hundred ball rally. I don't need

677
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Speaker 2: every shot to be a you know, behind the backdrop shot.

678
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Speaker 2: I just want to watch the tennis and if what

679
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Speaker 2: you're doing and the choices you're making are adding to that,

680
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Speaker 2: thank you. And if they're not rethinking.

681
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Speaker 1: And man, I got to tell you, if you got ADHD,

682
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: it's a great job for you because you are looking

683
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Speaker 1: at fifty five different camera shots and it's not easy.

684
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's easy, because it's not.

685
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Speaker 1: But that's just my one rule.

686
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Speaker 2: So I have a plenty rap of Cincinnati and obviously

687
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Speaker 2: look forward, yes in a week's time any storylines that

688
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Speaker 2: are sort of bubbling up for you right now as

689
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Speaker 2: we are into the second week of as we are

690
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Speaker 2: now into Cincinnati and are getting our minds around.

691
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Speaker 1: Well, who's the favorite of the US Open. I think

692
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Speaker 1: that's the question that needs to be asked, and certainly

693
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Speaker 1: on the women, it is a big unknown. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sabilenka is not looking great Cincinnati. We are literally watching

695
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Speaker 1: the match right now. It is four to three and

696
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: they are having the most epic game. They've gone juice

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Speaker 1: out about twenty five times in this game. Emma Radakan,

698
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Speaker 1: who's looking fantastic over the last couple of months. She's so,

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Speaker 1: I've got a new coach in Roy, who was also

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Speaker 1: part of Raffia and Nadals team for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and various things.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Sabialinka is not looking the kind of dominant

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Speaker 2: that we are used to seeing her in this Courach's.

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Speaker 1: Looking very stressed out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's looking stressed out. She's looking very.

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Speaker 1: She added someone new to her team in Maximeroni, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was a little bit surprising. I'm not quite

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Speaker 1: sure why.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I don't know. I

710
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Speaker 2: haven't felt the Sabilanca of years past, where she's dialed

711
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Speaker 2: in where the tennis is, even if it's I.

712
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Speaker 1: Doesn't want to slam this year. She's the most dominant

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Speaker 1: player this year. Who has not wont to Slam. Maddie Keys,

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Speaker 1: I think has always played well in Cincinnati. She's scraping

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Speaker 1: her way through matches as well.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you why I like that,

717
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Speaker 2: because I think we saw, certainly in Australia, the Maddi

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Speaker 2: Keys that can win matches by blowing our opponents off

719
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Speaker 2: the court. What everyone loved about that match that she

720
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Speaker 2: beat Egosh Fiantek and then Sabalanka in the semis and

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Speaker 2: finals battle is she battled through and sometimes in those

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Speaker 2: battles in past, Matti Keys hasn't been.

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Speaker 1: Well physically able to get through them alone, to.

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Speaker 2: Be able to get through them, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously there's the emotional stuff. We've talked about it, we

726
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Speaker 2: talked to her earlier this year. What I like so

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Speaker 2: much is, yeah, let her, Let's see her just scrapping,

728
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Speaker 2: because we know if she knows, she can win the

729
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Speaker 2: tight rap and then forget it if she's feeling good.

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Speaker 1: So you're picking her for the USI.

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Speaker 2: I definitely am picking her for a week two.

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Speaker 1: Are book ending her for the Slams this year?

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Speaker 2: I would love that? Why not?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, she has been so close to winning

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Speaker 1: that tournament finals of course against Sloan and just capitulated

736
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Speaker 1: in that final, just was like somewhere else. Sloan was

737
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Speaker 1: just too solid and Maddie was just somewhere else. But

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Speaker 1: she learned from its why she played so well in

739
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Speaker 1: Australia to win that tournament. Sablenka hasn't want to slam

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Speaker 1: this year. It's arguably her best slam straight and open

741
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Speaker 1: as well, hardcart is her best surface. If she wins Cincinnati,

742
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Speaker 1: it'll certainly help her going into the into the US Open.

743
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Speaker 1: Maddie is certainly going to be up there with the

744
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Speaker 1: court surface. She plays well in New York Eager. We're

745
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Speaker 1: not quite sure. Okay, we didn't think she was gonna

746
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Speaker 1: win Wimbledon, So there are certainly a lot of Rabakina.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she can't close out these matches. Losing to

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Speaker 1: Mombacco and then also losing in Washington to uh, who's

749
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Speaker 1: she listening Washington. There's been a couple of weeks where

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Speaker 1: Rabakina hasn't closed out matches that she should have won.

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Speaker 1: So dangerous on a fast court. I don't know, Emma,

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Speaker 1: Radakano's looking pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I was looking pretty good, you know. Coco unknown has

754
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: sort of been after the rider since the French Open,

755
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Speaker 2: but I think she usually does a post slam dip

756
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Speaker 2: and maybe the timing is ready for her to come back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's hard for Coco

758
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Speaker 1: to go into the US Open unless she does really

759
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Speaker 1: well here in Cincinnati. It's just there's so I mean,

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Speaker 1: God knows, I want her to do well at the

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Speaker 1: US Open. She is, she is not. Arguably she is

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Speaker 1: our biggest draw at ESPN on the coverage at the

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Speaker 1: US Open. She has the most fans that follow her.

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Speaker 1: She's a great kid. We wanted to do well, but

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Speaker 1: man like not having a confidence going into that tournament

766
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Speaker 1: knowing she's gonna be an Arthur Rash every single night

767
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Speaker 1: with that pressure on her shoulders.

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Speaker 2: I just like, man, it's these you hope for her.

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Speaker 2: She can sort of fly under the radar or come

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Speaker 2: in just with blazing with confidence. We do knows name

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Speaker 2: a sector. Maybe she'll bounce back. She played and is

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Speaker 2: fit again.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've said five players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that really, you know, speaks to what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Men's side, I mean, I mean, on this court, I

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Speaker 2: would love to see Carlos regain his.

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Speaker 1: He battled in three sets yesterday against a player that

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Speaker 1: he should not be battling against.

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Speaker 2: It didn't it didn't pretend very well for his pretend

780
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: well his hard core season. But will get much much

781
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Speaker 2: more in depth next week after we have more information

782
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Speaker 2: from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to.

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Speaker 2: Say it is delightful to do one of these live

785
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: again and we will have a lot of some in

786
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Speaker 2: person moments yes with people.

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Speaker 1: Next week.

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Speaker 2: We're well information to come.

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Speaker 1: And Petko, who's been working her a little tailor off

790
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: for tennis channels and back, we're going to get her

791
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Speaker 1: to do a preview definitely for the US Open. We're

792
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: going to wrap that up. We're looking forward to fan

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Speaker 1: week with the mixed doubles.

794
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Speaker 2: Should we just listed some reader questions. If between now

795
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Speaker 2: and then there's anything going into the US Open you

796
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Speaker 2: want us to address.

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Speaker 1: Send them ourway, Send to me on the socials, or

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00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: to Caitlin at Racket Magazine on the socials as well,

799
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: or to Kaitlin be nice. If you're not, you'll get blocked,

800
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: because I have no problem doing that anymore. The amount

801
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: of hate that is going on on the social media's like,

802
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: why do you have time to do that, like really

803
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: get some check yourself, check yourself, check yourself. I've been protected,

804
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Speaker 1: my piece. I don't know. You've been having a good

805
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: time in France.

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Speaker 2: My. Yeah. We have a new issue of the magazine out.

807
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: We have really really big piece on yo, Lena asked Penka.

808
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: God knows, I love talking about.

809
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: And of course our friend Michael Costa has an amazing.

810
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: Thing about caster wrote us an original piece about how

811
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: tennis and comedy are both very lonely but ultimately very fulfilling.

812
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: So we have an optimism issue.

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Speaker 1: And as Hannah Burner also said, who's also a comedian,

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00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: both Michael and Hannah are killing it in the media space,

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00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and yet both of them play D one college tennis

816
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: at a very high level, and they both talk about

817
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: how tennis has helped them so much in their careers

818
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: after and they both would absolutely in a million like

819
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: if you gave them a million dollar said would you

820
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: rather be on the pro tour? Like killing it? And

821
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: they would be like fuck yes, of course, even though

822
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: they're killing it in their lives, they would much prefer

823
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: to be professional tennis players for sure. So Michael's book

824
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: Lucky Loser and of course Hannah's is on what Her

825
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: Special has been out for a while on Netflix, but

826
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Speaker 1: also she's on tour right now, so go and see

827
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Speaker 1: them both. Pick up Michael's book, pick up Hannah's book

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Speaker 1: Giggly Squid. I know I'm promoting, which these are our friends,

829
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Speaker 1: so we want to do right by them. And also

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Speaker 1: Jen Welsh and Pumps who also have a book out

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Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Read it. It just has shit sandwich in it.

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00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: That's in the in the cover, okay, so that should

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00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: tell you enough. And Emma Radakana is four all in

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Speaker 1: the third against Aabalnca. So we're going to close this

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Speaker 1: part out by saying we don't know what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen here, pretty much like we're going to say about

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Speaker 1: the women's event at the US Open, and we are

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00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: pumped for it and we're going to preview it next week.

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Speaker 2: So lovely to be back with you one.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. Everybody. Thanks. I keep sending

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Speaker 1: me the videos.

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00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, bye, Caitlin. I do just want to also mention

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Speaker 1: I know you love when I do this, but I

845
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: do want to mention a little shout out to Canyon

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Speaker 1: Ranch up in Lenox, Massachusetts. I spent three days up

847
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: there recently. What a beautiful wellness retreat, you know. As

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00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a tough six weeks for me

849
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: and I went up there and they were very gracious.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible. I had If you want wellness, this

851
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: is the place to go. It was incredible. I had reiki,

852
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: I had massage, I had facial it was just awesome.

853
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: And the tennis facilities are amazing. They've got two indoor courts.

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00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: They do have pickaball indoor. I'm not a fan of that,

855
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: as you know, but it is nice for people that

856
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: want to play pickaball. They have indoor squash. They have

857
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: three beautiful green clay courts as well. So I think

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a thing with them in the fall,

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00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: possibly with my old doubles partner Lisa Raymond. We're going

860
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Speaker 1: to put something together possibly in a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: also you and I should do something up there, maybe

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Speaker 1: next year with racket. But for those of you in

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Speaker 1: time taking care of yourself playing a little tennis. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: So Canyon Ranch up in Lenox, Massachusetts, thanks for it.

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Speaker 1: Just providing such a beautiful three to four days. It

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Speaker 1: was awesome. Pray Yeah, cool,