1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous historians. As we are working on some new episodes 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: for you, we thought we would butter you up with 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: a classic episode for this week. I will always enjoy 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: hearing back our conversations about Margarine and butter and why 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: the Canadians and the United States, I guess, have such 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: weird laws about Margarine. 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: Right man, Oh the idea of bootlegging Margarine. It's it's 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: it's wild. I mean, you know, because Margarine in and 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: of itself today is almost like I can't believe it's 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: not butter sort of situation. It's it's an alternative, supposedly 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: with some health benefits. I hate to say it not 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: to be a Margarine naysayer, but it just doesn't hit 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: the same, does not have the same mommy. It really 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: kind of feels like a mouthful of crisco. 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: It really, you know, once you taste it butter, it's 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: like if you've eaten the meat of gods, you are 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: never content with the straw fools. And I think a 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: lot of people when they first visit the United States 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: are startled by the yellowness of butter here because even 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: the real butter is often colored artificially. 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never understood that. 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, and did jump in here? Do you guys know 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 4: I can't eat butter cheese, the conditioned. I eat dairy free, 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: soy free butter butter quotations right there, And it's it's 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: pretty good, but it's not real butter. 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: It's still better than the fake cheese. 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: Oh, fake cheese got a lot better. Some fake cheese 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: is okay. God, that sounds so gross. Nut cheese does 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: not sound good. It's the thing though, you got cash, 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: you cheese. Let's call it that. That's better. 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Here's our episode, now, man, let's do it. 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and Gentlemen, 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, lactose, tolerant and intolerant alike. Boy, do 34 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: we have a story for you today. 35 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: Hi, my name is Ben, my name is Nolan Ben. 36 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: We try to stay tolerant on Ridiculous History. True. Yeah, 37 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: And I have a new nickname for you. It's I 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: can't believe it's not Ben Bolin, but it is. It 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: is Ben Bolin. 40 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Thanks ed, And you're Noel Brown. And of course we 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: are accompanied as always by our super producer, Casey Pegram 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: And today Noel, we are exploring something that I have 43 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I had no understanding of 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: before our research for this episode began. 45 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about margarine, not just margarine, the perennially 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: tolerable spread butter substitute. I don't know, maybe I have 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: an ax to grind. My whole thing is I've always 48 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: been a little confused about what margarine really is. But 49 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: before we get to that, people cared a lot about 50 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: margarine back in the day. Oh they did, they did. 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Margarine, it turns out, is the first domestic food to 52 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: be regulated by the federal government in the United States. 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: It has a very strange history on this continent that 54 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: has been explored in very strange pseudo buttery depth. There's 55 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: a great article by an author named Ruth Dupree called 56 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: If It's Yellow, it Must be Butter. Margarine regulation in 57 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: North America since eighteen eighty six. And the reason that 58 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: date is important is because it's not just a story 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: of this substitute. It's a story of what eventually escalated 60 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: into a continent wide war of sorts, a. 61 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: Bit of a war. And you know, last episode we 62 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: talked about a war involving eggs. This episode, we're talking 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: about a war involving various incarnations of animal parts and 64 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: stuff that you can put on things to eat and 65 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: cook with. That year you mentioned, though, eighteen eighty six, 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: is very important because that is the year that the 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: United States passed the Margarine Act, which severely limited It 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: was kind of this cap off of what had already 69 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: been a war on butter in the United States. We're 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: talking about Canada today, but just to give a little 71 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: bit of background, in the United States, big butter, right, 72 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: kind of like big brother or buttery. They fought tooth 73 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: and nail against this substitute. They were so protective of 74 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: their industry that anything they saw is potentially stepping on 75 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: their terrain. They had friends in high places and they 76 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: made sure to quash that. And Margarine was persona non 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: grad I was enemy number one. 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: Yes, we are, as Noel said, we are focusing on 79 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Canada for today's purposes, but we found so much fascinating, hilarious, 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: and wait for it, ridiculous history about butter and margarine 81 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: in the United States that we're going to have to 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: throw some of these awesome quotes in. There's one I've 83 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: been waiting to do, like all all week. Yes, and 84 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: lest we get ahead of ourselves. 85 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: Just know, all of this is to set the stage 86 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: for the demonization that did spread to spread there we 87 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: go to Canada. Yeah, yeah, that's good because that year 88 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: of eighteen eighty six, when this Act was passed in 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: the United States, was the same year that Canada banned 90 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: margarine completely. 91 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: No ifs ands or butt substitutes. 92 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: Oh. 93 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I know we're skirting the family show line here. Fine, 94 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: So we'd like to give you this quote from Governor 95 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Lucius Hubbard of Minnesota, who, in this time bemoan the 96 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: fact that the quote ingenuity of depraved human genius as 97 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: culminated in the production of oleomargarine and its kindred abominations. 98 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: I have never heard a food stuffer group of food 99 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: items referred to as abominations, kindred or otherwise. This was 100 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: such a big deal that other senators spoke out on 101 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: the issue as well. Senator Joseph Quarrels of Wisconsin, also 102 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: known as the Dairy State, said that butter should come 103 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: from the dairy, not the slaughterhouse. I want butter that 104 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: has the natural aroma of life and health, said Senator Quarrels. 105 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: I declined to accept as a substitute call fat matured 106 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: under the chill of death, blended with vegetable oils and 107 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: flavored by chemical tricks. 108 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: And the last one. The butter lobby in the United 109 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: States had such an act to grind with marjarine that 110 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: they threw all kinds of spurious, awful misinformation to completely 111 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: malign this product, which we need to need to talk 112 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: more about what the product actually is. But let me 113 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: do this quote and then we'll see us. Yeah, I 114 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: do about that quote. They called it the slag of 115 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: the butcher shop, a compound of diseased hogs and dead dogs, 116 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: also implying that it contained quote the germs of cancer. 117 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: That is from the War on Margarine from the Foundation 118 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: for Economic Education written by Adam Young. So Ben, we 119 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: need to take it. We need to pump the brakes 120 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: a little bit before we go to Newfoundland. 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: Newfoundland, Canada. I have I think a solution. Yeah, yeah, 122 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: do you remember earlier when we were at that shady 123 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: thrift store and we found that butter dish. I think 124 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: the cashier was right when they said that it had 125 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: extraordinary ability, it. 126 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: Was imbued with mystical properties. 127 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, which they kind of buried the lead on that, 128 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: but we still got it and we have it in 129 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: the studio. Maybe maybe this can help us explain the 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: difference between butter and margarine. You want to give it 131 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: a give it a I don't know, knock it on 132 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: the table, give it a rub. 133 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: There we go. 134 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: Oh wait, waits happening? Do you hear that? Well? 135 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: I don't know yet. 136 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: It hasn't an added in post right right right, So 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: our amazing acting skills aside. It turns out that this 138 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: did work. I think we've summoned a fact genie, a 139 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: fact genie. 140 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: You say, whoa, whoa, it's Lauren Vogel Bomb from food 141 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 3: Stuff Fame. 142 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 5: I don't know why you guys get to be this surprised. 143 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: I almost had the reason why magic mushrooms formance circles. 144 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: I almost had fairy circles figured out. Why am I here? 145 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Uh? 146 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: That may have been part of it, Lauren. The fairy 147 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: magic carried you here, and it connected with our particular 148 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: brand of fairy magic for a segment. We would now 149 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: like to forever refer to you as the fact Genie. 150 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: The fact Genie. Agreed, Lauren, in your outside of fact 151 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Genie life, you are one of the driving forces behind 152 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: our favorite food show, food Stuff, also available for free 153 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: via houset off Works wherever you find your podcast. 154 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: I am, that's very true. Thank you so much for 155 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 5: that compliment. 156 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: So, you know, the mystical powers of the Thrift Story 157 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: universe must have known this and summoned you on our 158 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: behalf to answer the question what's the difference between butter 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: and margarine? And well, let's talk about this a little bit. 160 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: You have a minute, is it? 161 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 6: Okay? 162 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: We'll release you. 163 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: Sure, But according to this paper that just fell out 164 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 5: of the Magical Butter Dish, you only get three questions 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: and after that I can go. 166 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: That seems fair. 167 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: It did say that on the receipt. I should have 168 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier. It's okay, Ben, So okay, So I 169 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: think that's our number one question if we only get three. 170 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: Our first question is, just as Lil said, what is 171 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: the difference between butter and margarine? Because they're different? Right? Sure? 172 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, butter is a concentration of the fatty and 173 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 5: fat soluble parts of milk that have been churned and 174 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 5: worked to press out water and link the molecules in 175 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: its solid form. It's actually a crystallization of those fats 176 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 5: butterfats start crystallizing around fifty degrees faveryheight or ten degrees celsius. 177 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 5: Traditional only butter flavor is a waste product of nonpathogenic 178 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 5: or friendly lactic acid bacteria, which eat the sugars found 179 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 5: in milk and excrete flavor. But these days most butter 180 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 5: in America is flavored with lab produced compounds chemically identical 181 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: to a couple of those bacterial byproducts. 182 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: So is it more bacteria poop? Kind of? 183 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: Is that what? 184 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: You're definitely bacteria poop? Yeah? 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's pretty that's pretty weird when you think 186 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: about it. I personally find butter delicious, and I'm starting 187 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: to wonder if I want to learn the rest of this. 188 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: But we're here, we have the butter dish, you're here. 189 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: What's margarine. 190 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 5: Margarine is oil that's been transmogrified so that it is 191 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: solid at room temperature and then flavored and colored to 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 5: resemble butter. Though originally made with animal fats, these days 193 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: it's generally made with plant based oils that have been hydrogenated, fractionated, 194 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 5: or interest orified. 195 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: I understand several of those words. 196 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: I do. It's almost like the way you are transmogrified 197 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: to this place almost. 198 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 5: They're all complicated ways of of changing the chemical structure 199 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 5: of a thing to change its freezing points. At that point, 200 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 5: you can work the fats to create crystallization, the same 201 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: as with butter fats. 202 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: But you know, butter is as old as the hills, right, Lauren. 203 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: I mean it's like, we can't really credit somebody with 204 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: inventing butter. 205 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: Right, well, not one person. 206 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But we can do that with Margarine, 207 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: can't we. 208 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was a French guy while back. Yeah, 209 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 5: Napoleon put out an all call. 210 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: Napoleon put out an all call for a substitute. 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, because butter is so expensive that he was like, 212 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 5: we need people to eat food, and this food is 213 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 5: expensive to who has a cheaper alternative? 214 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: And Nolan, I know a little bit about this, but 215 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: to consult our expert for the pronunciation of Margarine's inventor, 216 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: I believe it's time for Casey on the case or 217 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: what are. 218 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: We calling the Is this a sub segment we're doing? 219 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing like segments and segments. 220 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: Or a burro's over here. Yeah, well on the case 221 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: with Casey. 222 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Okay, we're till Casey in the case whatever, we'll get. 223 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: There here he is. 224 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 7: Wow, Hey, guys, good people just appear here, Laurie, Oh 225 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 7: oh boy, we'll have. 226 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: Some serious history witchcraft here today. Yeah. So what what? 227 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: What's the name of the lovely French scientist who invented margarine? 228 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 7: All right, the inventor of margarine pronounced in my best 229 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 7: French accent is epolite mege moyez. 230 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: In, ladies and gentlemen. That's been Casey on the case. 231 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for dropping by letting us know 232 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Casey how to pronounce the name of this French chemist 233 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: who invented margarine? In did he invent it in eighteen 234 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: sixty nine? 235 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: Then, as it turns out, without being a fat genie myself, 236 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: I happened to know that is the case he invented 237 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: in eighteen sixty nine. And his recipe, if you guys 238 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: will know this, it'll be interested to know, was as such. 239 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: Heated finally mins be fat, potassium, salt, fresh sheep's stomach, 240 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: raise the temperature to one hundred and thirteen degrees. The 241 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: pepsin from the sheep's guts mixed the beef to separate 242 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 3: the fat from the celluo tissue. They are put under 243 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: pressure to separate those oils. Then milk and water was 244 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: added and a food coloring called anato that was made 245 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: from the seeds of the achiot tree. And it's interesting 246 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: actually because today that is used in butter a lot 247 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: of the times too, because people want that stuff to 248 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: be super yellow so they know it's the real deal, 249 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: even though. 250 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: It's not similar to salmon being pink right cartoonishly. 251 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 5: So and cheddar cheese being orange. 252 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: That was a free fact. We didn't ask for that one. 253 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: He counts accounts, that counts. That counts is one of 254 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: our three. 255 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: I think we're one for the third one now. 256 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: Since we have but one more fact to ask for. 257 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: I think the question that's on everybody's mind is Louren 258 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: Vugel Bomb, Where can people hear more of you? 259 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 5: Oh goodness. You can find me on food stuff and 260 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: also on brain stuff that's brainstuffshow dot com and shows 261 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 5: dot HowStuffWorks dot com slash food stuff. 262 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: We're working on it. 263 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 5: Also on social media. Look up food stuff or just 264 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 5: google Louren Vogel Bomb. I'm literally the only one on 265 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 5: the planet. 266 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: And I want to commend you for being such an 267 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: effective fact Genie that we only really needed too. Yeah, 268 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: and one of them was like a free one kind 269 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 3: of so well done, thank you. 270 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: And we release you from your bonds, right, so we 271 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: have to say that, I think, yeah, so go be free, Genie. Well, hey, 272 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: congratulations to us man. That was not only our first 273 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: fact Genie segment, but we had a segment in a segment. 274 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's not every day you get to do 275 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: a segment within a segment. I'm really glad though, that 276 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: we didn't like open up some sort of portal to 277 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: Hell with that disruption of the universe. 278 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. We were pushing the envelope just a bit, 279 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: but I believe the gambit was worth it because we 280 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: learned a lot in a very short span of time, 281 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: and we have set the broad brush context of the 282 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: great painting that is the Margarine Butter War. So we 283 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: established that this margarine is French in origin, and it 284 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: is designed at the time to fulfill a need because 285 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: not everyone, for one reason or another, would have access 286 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: to butter, despite the fact that it was often considered 287 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: a staple. 288 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, even in our story about Martin Luther and his 289 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: relationship with butter and indulgences. In the Roman Catholic Church, 290 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: butter was kind of considered to be not only a staple, 291 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: but a sign of opulence in some way. 292 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: But notice that we said for various reasons people might 293 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: not be able to access butter. It could It could 294 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: be related to a social thing such as income or 295 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the influence right of an institution like the Catholic Church. 296 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: It also could just be a matter of climate. And 297 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: that's where we journeyed to Newfoundland, that's right. 298 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: In a paper called Margarine in Newfoundland History by Wealth H. 299 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: Hike from Newfoundland and Studies Too for nineteen eighty six, 300 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: he talks about the reason that margarine trade popped up 301 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: in Newfoundland specifically was because the climate is just not 302 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: conducive to supporting a dairy industry. Cows they need a 303 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: stable temperature nine months of the year. The costs were 304 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: prohibitive for that region, and because of that, there were 305 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: no significant industrialized dairy interests in Newfoundland at all. 306 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Right, so butter had to be imported, and this created 307 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: a market demand for something to fill the gap, because 308 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: importing something will automatically make it more expensive in most cases, 309 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: and this is where people began to manufacture margarine. 310 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: Well, they heard tell, they heard tell Ben of our 311 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: French inventor, whose name I've already forgotten how to pronounce correctly. 312 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: But you can backtrack to the casey on the case 313 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: segment and you'll hear all about it there. And it 314 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: was blowing up in the United States, and it went 315 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: by the name of butterine at the time. It wasn't 316 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: even called oleomargarine. Butterine was kind of the name that 317 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: was being around, and they realized, Wow, we might have 318 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: something on our hands here that we can use as 319 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: a butter substitute. 320 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Yes, this is interesting historically because we already begin to 321 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: see in sources of the time and contemporary sources the 322 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: growing controversy. The Daily Telegraph of London ran an article 323 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: on misleading packaging of buttering that The Newfoundlander, a paper 324 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: in Newfoundland, oddly enough, also carried in August of eighteen 325 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: eighty three, and the people of Newfoundland in general began 326 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: concluding that this much cheaper substitute, this buttering, could be beneficial, 327 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: especially for the poorer segments of society. So a merchant 328 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: firm named Harveying Company begins to manufacture margarine or buttering 329 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: in the colony in eighteen eighty three. 330 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: And not to get too into the weeds with the 331 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: history of the production of margarine in the region, but 332 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: at the end of a handful of years there were 333 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: three primary margarine interests, and one of them, I think, 334 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: hilariously enough, was called the Newfoundland Butter Company. But they 335 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: just made margarine. 336 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the egg company from our earlier episode. 337 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: What was that, the Pacific Egg Company or. 338 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: The Pacific Egg Company, but at least they had eggs. 339 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: The Newfoundland Butter Company made no butter, right, that is true. 340 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: They were making margarine. And the thing that was amazing 341 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: about this for someone of lower income in Newfoundland was 342 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: that since margarine could be made with a combination of vegetable, mineral, 343 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: and animal oils, most notably seal oil at this time, 344 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: I know that's a rough one. The end result was 345 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: that margarine was incredibly cheaper to produce, and these costs 346 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: trickled down to the consumer, and it looked like it 347 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: might be a win win for almost everybody in society. 348 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: Almost almost, because there was. 349 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: One group that very very, very very much opposed the 350 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: idea of cheap butter for the people butter substitute. 351 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: Big butter, big Canadian butter. Because at the time we 352 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: haven't mentioned this, Newfoundland wasn't part of Canada, No, it's colony, colony. 353 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: It was an English colony. And the English, you know, 354 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: they were a little more lase fair about this production 355 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 3: of margin. They didn't see it as a threat. There 356 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of exporting. They were doing it 357 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: mainly to satisfy their own needs. But here's the thing, man, 358 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: the people in Canada, even before Newfoundland was incorporated into Canada, 359 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: they wanted that margarine. 360 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wondered the margarine. And you can easily 361 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: see why. Although you know, there are going to be many, 362 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: many people, some of us in the studio today, folks 363 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: who will argue that butter is superior in terms of 364 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: taste of margarine, there's still many people who say, hey, 365 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: you know what, it's good enough and it's not breaking 366 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: the bank. 367 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: The thing about it, too, is there were like health 368 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: consideration too, right, because these people that in Newfoundland had 369 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: become such loyal customers of this food stuff. There were 370 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: studies that went around in the Newfoundland region that showed 371 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: that folks there were quite deficient in some vitamins, vitamins 372 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 3: A and D, and they also found that margarine was 373 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: deficient in vitamins A and D. And you know, the 374 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: health benefits of margarine versus butter have largely been called 375 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: into question because of things like saturated fat transits trans fat, 376 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: which both have, so you're supposed to use both of 377 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: them sparingly, right, But at this time, you know what 378 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: Big Margarine did in Newfoundland, they did a lot like 379 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: our pals that made the vitamin donuts. Yeah, they just 380 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: fortified that biz. 381 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they wanted to keep the consumers incentivized to 382 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: eat this. So now they could say, not only is 383 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: this more affordable than butter, but this is also healthy 384 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: or it's you know, fortified with for any vitamin donut 385 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: listeners out there, so everyone could afford it. Everyone got 386 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more vitamin A and D intake for 387 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: PEP for PEP for vigor. Right. At the time, as 388 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: we said, Newfoundland was still a British colony, but in 389 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine it became part of Canada, so that 390 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six law banning margarine in Canada didn't apply 391 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: to Newfoundland at the time because it was a colony, and. 392 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: We're talking about the idea of bootlegging margarine. Maybe that's 393 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: a little loaded, but it's interesting because when we say bootlegging, 394 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: we're talking about bootlegging in the same way that during 395 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: Prohibition people would smuggle illegal booze. They were making it 396 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: themselves in stills or whatever. Right, the margarine thing was 397 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: happening at the very same time people were smuggling it 398 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: from Newfoundland into the rest of Canada. Because in Newfoundland, 399 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 3: even when it got incorporated into the Dominion of Canada, 400 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: they were still allowed to make the stuff. They couldn't 401 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 3: ship it anywhere else throughout the entire country. It was 402 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: totally isolated to Newfoundland, which is a little bit isolated 403 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: in and of itself. It's kind of an island, right. 404 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it is a little bit isolated, I 405 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: would argue from our perspective down here. Canada's parliament passed 406 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: federal legislation in nineteen forty nine, the same year that 407 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Newfoundland became part of Canada, to prohibit the manufacturing sale 408 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: of margarine anywhere in Canada except for two places, Newfoundland 409 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: and Labrador, because they both had this pre existing industrial 410 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: base for the production of margarine. 411 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: Right, the other one of Labrador being all the retrievers. 412 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, the famous home. 413 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: Of all retrievers, that's where they come from. But this 414 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: is the thing, the whole joining up Newfoundland with Canada. 415 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: There are some caveats, ben because Big Butter put its 416 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: big giant buttery foot down and influenced lawmakers to the 417 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: point where we got this delightful little section from the 418 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 3: nineteen forty nine British North American Act, Section forty six. 419 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: As it happens, oliomargarine or margarin may be manufactured or 420 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: sold in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador after the 421 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: date of the Union, and the Parliament of Canada shall 422 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: not prohibit or restrict such manufacture or sale, accept at 423 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the request of the legislature of the Province of Newfoundland. 424 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: But nothing in this term shall affect the power of 425 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: the Parliament of Canada to require compliance with standards of 426 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: quality acceptable throughout Canada. That's the setup. And now we'd 427 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: like to Now we'd like to show where the rubber 428 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: hits the road legislatively. 429 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: Big time number two. Unless the Parliament of Canada otherwise provides, 430 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: or unless the sale and manufacture in and the interprovincial 431 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: movement between all provinces of Canada other than Newfoundland and 432 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: Labrador of oliomargarine and margarine. It's interesting they call them 433 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: two different things. I did not realize that was the case. 434 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: Is lawful under the laws of Canada, oleomargin or margarine 435 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: shall not be sent, shipped, brought, or carried from the 436 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: province of Newfoundland and Labrador into any other province of Canada. 437 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: So there you got the black market margarine trade popping 438 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: up overnight. It wasn't overnight though, because they it was 439 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: already happening, right. Yeah, it wasn't like all of a sudden. 440 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: Canada was like, what is this magical margarine. They knew 441 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: what it was. You could get to Newfoundland. People knew 442 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: each other, they talked. 443 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: But the dairy industry does have profound influence at this point, 444 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: and they didn't just wage the war in the halls 445 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: of parliament. They also waged the war in the public domain. 446 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting. In the Dupre paper, the author says that 447 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: in both the United States and Canada, the people who 448 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: were prosecuting against margarine argued that they were acting in 449 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: the public interests. In one case, and this goes back 450 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: to that quotation you had earlier. They would say that 451 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: they were protecting consumers from a product that was injurious 452 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: to health, or they were protecting people from the fraudulent 453 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: sale of margarine as butter. 454 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: And that is a thing that we see in the 455 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: United States side of this story as well. In a 456 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: story from the New York Times from eighteen seventy seven, 457 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: we have this quote. Christopher Strauss, a grocer of number 458 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: sixteen Second Avenue, was arraigned before Justice Murray in the 459 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: fifty seventh Street Police Court yesterday, charged with selling oliomargarine, 460 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: representing it to be pure butter. Sa Churchill, a former 461 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: manufacturer of the artificial article and who is now employed 462 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: as a detective by the Butter and Cheese Exchange, appeared 463 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 3: as complaint. 464 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is strange because it turns out those 465 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: accusations of fraud are pretty well founded. Margarine was often 466 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: sold as butter because both could be sold in bulk, 467 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: and it was virtually impossible to distinguish between the two 468 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: by sensory examination, you know, so like if you and 469 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I just saw blocks of marginal one side, butter on 470 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: one side, and they were made to look relatively identical. 471 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: We wouldn't be able to tell without a little bit 472 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: more in depth investigation. And there's a weird thing here 473 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: because from its inception or a multiple times throughout history, 474 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: butter was regulated the same way you would regulate the 475 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: so called vice products like tobacco or alcohol of some sort. Sure, 476 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: which is strange because it's not going to affect you mentally, right, 477 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: You're not going to get a butter buzz, or maybe 478 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: you and I just haven't eaten enough butter. And I 479 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: love the phrase butter buzz, dude. 480 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean sometimes I just take a bite out of 481 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: a stick of butter just just to feel that euphoric 482 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 3: rush right to me, dopamine sensors. 483 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: I saw a guy at a baseball game casually eating 484 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: a stick of butter. 485 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 3: That's a fair food. They deep fry a stick of butter. 486 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: They'll deep fry anything at a fair now, and the 487 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: stick of butter, it's apparently the wave of the future. 488 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: That's crazy. It looked like he bought it from home, 489 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: like he had the foil and he was unwrapping it 490 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: and he just started eating it. 491 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: It's a brave new world, my friend. 492 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: It's a brave new world nol and this was a 493 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: brave new trade front, right because there's market demand. Big 494 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: dairy is fighting tooth and nail against this. And as 495 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: as we had said, I think we'd be remiss if 496 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: we didn't spend just a little bit of time on 497 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: the United States version of this conflict. 498 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: Totally, man, I think we've drawn the parallels between the 499 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: two situations. How you know, the American story definitely influenced 500 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: the Canadian because all this was kind of happening around 501 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: the same time. But there are some very interesting little 502 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: fact nuggets from the American side that we have not 503 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: mentioned yet. 504 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: Yes, we owe it to everyone, ourselves included, to dive 505 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: a little deeper into the butter churn of big dairy 506 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: in the United States, so in the Midwest, in Wisconsin specifically, 507 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: in other states like Minnesota and such. This was a 508 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: tremendous deal because dairy was a hugely influential industry right 509 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: and then provided a lot of jobs. It was super 510 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: crucial to the economy. And the governors and the senators 511 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: and the representatives understood this, and they were all kind 512 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: of many of them were running to be on the 513 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: side of butter and dairy, right and to fight the 514 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: perfidious threat of Marjorie Well, especially. 515 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: If they were representing constituents who had those jobs and 516 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: depended on those jobs. I'm sure there was also some 517 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: palm greasing buttering of palms going on, perhaps, but you know, 518 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they were looking out 519 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: for their constituents, possibly a little too vehemently. But what happened. 520 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a fantastic example we found in a 521 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: National geographic account written by Rebecca Rupp called the Butter 522 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Wars when Margarine was pink. That's a little spoiler for 523 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: you later too, and it concerns a Wisconsin taste test 524 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty five in which senators were blindfolded and 525 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: they were It's sort of like the Pepsi challenge. If 526 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: anybody remembers that from what was that the nineties, nineteen 527 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: nineties or so, Yeah. 528 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. You know aroun when Michael Jackson 529 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: set his hair on fire. Taste of a New Generation. 530 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: And the reason we bring this up is because the 531 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: arrangement was essentially the same. These senators were blindfolded and 532 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: they had to taste butter and they had to taste 533 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: margarine and tell the difference between the two, which, of 534 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: course they all claimed that they could do, no question, 535 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: and most of these folks were not fooled, except famously 536 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: a guy named Gordon rose Lip. He was extremely pro butter, 537 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: a huge advocate of butter, and he tasted it and 538 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: he got it wrong. He preferred the margarine consistently. He 539 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: told the people who were testing him, who of course 540 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: were not wearing blindfolds, that they were wrong and they 541 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: must have mixed it up because he knew his butter 542 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: by gum. 543 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: Twist though, isn't there? 544 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, there is, yes, Because it turned out 545 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: that his wife had been worried about her husband's health, 546 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: specifically his heart, and for years she he had been 547 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: sneaking this guy yellow margarine, which was illegal at the time, 548 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: at dinner, at lunch, whenever they ate at the house. 549 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: So he literally had no idea what butter was supposed 550 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: to taste like. He must have forgotten. 551 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet he didn't want to get that out though, 552 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: because that would have been a pretty soaring cosign on 553 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 3: how convincing that butter substitute is. 554 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Oh, and we do want to add one thing here, 555 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: one point of order, just while it's on our minds. 556 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: We earlier said that the Canadian prohibition was from eighteen 557 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: eighty six until nineteen forty nine, when they allowed at 558 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: Newfoundland and Labrador. There was a brief shining moment for 559 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: margarine during that time, and that was between nineteen seventeen 560 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty two when the ban was lifted due 561 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: to the War Measure Act. 562 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 3: Just scarce of foods in general. So yeah, well we'll 563 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: give you a pass. But then it was back in 564 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 3: full effect. But what's what's the deal with margarine in Canada? Now? 565 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Then it's interesting that we get to this point because, uh, 566 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: as of recent history, butter has surpassed margarine as America's 567 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: favorite spread. Now people are eating on average five point 568 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: six pounds of butter a year as opposed to three 569 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: point five pounds of margarine. 570 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: The margarine is still doing gangbusters in both Canada and 571 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: the United States. 572 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, we're just now we're just talking about 573 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: like their their comparison. But by no means is either 574 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: industry small. 575 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: When did adwin? Did Canada finally bite the bullet and say, okay, 576 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: all are welcome, you know, make make your make your 577 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: food substitutes? 578 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it went provincial similar to the way that 579 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: in some regards not one on one comparison, but it's 580 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: similar to the way that marijuana began to be treated 581 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: differently in space rights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So provinces could 582 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: have their own sort of sovereignity over that law, and 583 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: they didn't all legalize margarine. At the same time, there 584 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: were some holdouts. Quebec had a band specifically on colorized 585 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: margarine because it could look like butter, and that band 586 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: wasn't repealed until two thousand and eight. 587 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: Yes, because like margarine in its natural state, I guess 588 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: is white. I think it's pure white, and it was 589 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: different too, And this came into play in the American 590 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: story where you had stuff like Chrisco that was a 591 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: food substitute, but it was not something you would like 592 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: eat on its own. It would be part of cooking 593 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: and be part of baked goods, whereas margarine was a spread, 594 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 3: so you had to interact with it in its current 595 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: form and you would see it. So there was a 596 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 3: time where when in the United States that colorization of 597 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 3: margarine was banned. There was a company that even had 598 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: like little packets that came with it, so you could 599 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: die at yourself. 600 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: That reminds me of the old grape concentrate blocks that 601 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: were sold during Prohibition, where they said the instructions on 602 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: the box would say things like don't do the following 603 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: steps because you will create wine. 604 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 3: Okay. Whenever I hear the word steps and wine, I 605 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 3: always think of that woman at the winery that's snamping 606 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: on the grapes and then falls out, and. 607 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 6: Just like, oh, yeah, no, I think she's actually hurt. 608 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: No, I think she is ever. It's just the saddest sound, 609 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 3: beautifully portrayed and family guy. But back to America just briefly, 610 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: and we set this up earlier with some of the 611 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: quotes some of the anti margarine propaganda that Butter put out. 612 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: You know, Canadians are are They have a reputation as 613 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 3: being a little more civil and friendly perhaps than we are. 614 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 3: And it does seem like the stories are a little 615 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: out of whack with one another, whereas in the American side, Boy, 616 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: were they ruthless and awful. And you know, there was 617 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 3: actually some kind of faux scientists that were employed and 618 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 3: presented some findings quote unquote in a Chicago newspaper. And 619 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 3: this this guy's name was Professor Piper, just Professor Piper, 620 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 3: and he said that he did analyzes of margarine samples, 621 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: and this was in eighteen eighty five, and in his 622 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: analyzes he claimed to have found these the best samples 623 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 3: had many kinds of living organisms in them, with masses 624 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: of dead mold, bits of cellulose, various colored particles, shreds 625 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 3: of hair, bristles, et cetera. While other samples teemed with life. 626 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 3: Doubtful portions of worms were all also. Notice corpuscles from 627 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: a cockroach, small bits of claws, corpuscles of sheep, the 628 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 3: egg of a tapeworm. This sounds like a witch's brew. 629 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: And it was as I of Newton here. 630 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: What's the threshold for a doubtful amount of worms? 631 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? I did unclear. All I'm saying is Man, America, 632 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: You're mean be more like Canada. At least they were 633 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: civil about their modern war. 634 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: And it was also propaganda. 635 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 3: They Newfoundland keep doing it because they just really liked it. 636 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also they the economic argument is pretty tough 637 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: to sell, Like, no, you have to keep importing butter 638 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: and paint much more. That's not gonna fly, right, pro 639 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: butter cartoonists in the United States also drew these hit 640 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: pieces on Margarine where they have a visual depiction of 641 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that you just mentioned they had. They put 642 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: stray cats in margarine and soap paint, arsenic rubber boots. 643 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: There was also an implication by somebody who was probably 644 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: as legit as Professor Piper, that Margarine might cause insanity yikes, 645 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: margarine madness. 646 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 3: Huh. Well, there's a lot to both sides of the story. 647 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 3: I'm just again praising Canada for their prevailing level headedness 648 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 3: in US history. You can chill out a little bit, 649 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: but I think we can wrap this story up right. 650 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: Yes, And the best way for us to wrap it 651 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: up is to note that this is not in any 652 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: way unique phenomenon. And in the course of digging into this, 653 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: we found some what would you call them analogs I guess, so, yeah, 654 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: that's totally accurate. So you and I both found a couple. 655 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: One conflict that surprised me from our current day is 656 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: the conflict between municipal broadband and telecoms. It's a similar 657 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: situation wherein you know, there's one part of a country 658 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: or a state or region where they say we want 659 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: to build a telecom substitute for lack of a better word, right, 660 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: and then the telecoms will use their influence to stymy 661 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: this in hopes of preserving their own establistry. So we 662 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: want to be clear. This isn't just food. But boy, 663 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: we did find food comparisons too. 664 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, lots, And my favorite is because mainly I like 665 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: to say it is nut milk. Big Dairy is out 666 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 3: to get nut milk. And when I say that, I 667 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: mean things like almond milk. Cashew milk is even a thing, 668 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: and of course sewy milk. And a representative of the 669 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: National Milk Producers Federation said this in a case that 670 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 3: was levied against one of the big manufacturers of some 671 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: of those nut milk. He says, mammals produce milk, plants, dome. 672 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 3: This guy's name was Jim mulhern, same last name as 673 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: my buddy Frank. I wonder if he's secretly part of 674 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 3: Big Dairy. 675 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, Frank listens to our show. So hey, Frank, let 676 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: us know, man, spill the beans. We want to know 677 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: your secret life as a dairy soldier. 678 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,959 Speaker 3: But no, here's the thing. It's in the same way 679 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 3: that big butter. You know, we'll call it big Dairy. 680 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: We can lump it all under Big Dairy. We're trying 681 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 3: to protect their interest, protect their turf. They're doing the 682 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 3: same thing today with like these these soy based products, 683 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: and they're basically saying that the use of the words 684 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: like soy milk, almond milk that are put together, they're 685 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 3: joined together as one words. The dairy industry says that 686 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: that's just sort of a cheap way of getting away 687 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: with using the word milk, which again they say exclusively 688 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 3: comes from mammals. This came from an article called Dairy 689 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 3: producers targeting quote fake milk in Latest food Fight from 690 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 3: CTV News, and this is how the Plant Based Foods 691 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 3: Association responded. They say that it's it's a different animal 692 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 3: entirely from what they're talking about. They say these companies 693 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 3: are charging more money because consumers are gravitating toward them. 694 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: I think that says it all right there. You know, 695 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 3: the margarine thing, it was cheaper, you could I'm not 696 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: saying that Big Butter was doing the right thing at all. 697 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 3: They were clearly jerks about it, but you know, I 698 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 3: could see that as being seen as a legitimate threat. 699 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 3: Nobody is buying soy milk because they think it's milk, 700 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: and they certainly aren't getting a sweet deal on it. 701 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: That stuff is pretty price. 702 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: And with this, we would like to hear from you, folks, 703 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: what's your take on margarine versus butter? Do you have 704 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: a preference? Do you feel that one legitimately tastes better? 705 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: Would you ever I think most people are going to 706 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: say no, but would you ever smuggle Margarine? Because Casey Nolan, 707 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: I might have a job for you. 708 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 3: I know you've been waiting for it. 709 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: Butter smuggler. I just let's be clear. I just want 710 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: to say, butter smuggler. It's been bugging me all week 711 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: and I know we're talking about margarine smuggling. 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