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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of Couch

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Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcasts. My name is Kat.

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Speaker 1: I am the host, and quick reminder before we get

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Speaker 1: into today's episode, this podcast does not serve as a

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Speaker 1: replacement or a substitute for any actual mental health services. However,

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Speaker 1: we always hope that it can help you in some way. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you are new and unfamiliar with couch Talks, it

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Speaker 1: is the bonus episode of You Need Therapy where I

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Speaker 1: answer questions that you guys send to me and you

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Speaker 2: In the show notes.

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Speaker 1: We keep these questions anonymous always, so you can send

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Speaker 1: them in feel safe. If there's some personal parts to

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Speaker 1: know that these are always anonymous, and we usually do

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Speaker 1: is this is for the therapist. It's podcast episodes specifically

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Speaker 1: tailored toward therapists or people who want to be therapists,

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Speaker 1: kind of talking about person of the therapist things. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go ahead and read the email and then

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Speaker 1: we will get into it. So here it is, Hey, kat,

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Speaker 1: I am thinking about making a career change to the

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Speaker 1: mental health sector. I'd really like to eventually work mostly

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Speaker 1: I have a few friends who are clinical psychologists who

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Speaker 1: have discouraged me from seeking out a master's level therapist.

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Speaker 1: That's in quotes in my own therapy journey, though I

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Speaker 1: would tend to disagree, and my own master's level therapists

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Speaker 1: ended up being a fantastic fit. Choosing to do counseling

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Speaker 1: with them has been the best decision I've ever made

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Speaker 1: for myself, and I would love to create this space

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Speaker 1: for people one day. My question for you is this,

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Speaker 1: comes to choosing between MSW and a counseling degree. I

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Speaker 1: and was surprised to hear a negative slash generalized view

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast. I love this question and I

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Speaker 1: Lay out that I got a degree in Human development counseling.

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Speaker 1: That was my master's degree, and that led me to

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Speaker 1: obtain my licensure as an LPC Licensed professional counselor. And

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Speaker 1: in every state they're kind of named a different thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you my perspective as an LPC. And what's

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Speaker 1: you getting a PhD, or if you want to go

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Speaker 1: in a community center, you don't have to take that route.

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Speaker 1: It might be more work that might not be meaningful

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Speaker 1: to you, but doesn't mean it's not meaningful to your

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Speaker 1: space to pick what's best for you individually and not

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Speaker 1: what somebody else thinks is best based on their desires

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Speaker 2: This is interesting.

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Speaker 1: At three Quotes Therapy, there's me and Julia who are

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Speaker 1: both did counseling programs. Juliet has a TEMP license, I

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Speaker 1: am fully licensed. We have Stacey who is an MFT

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Speaker 1: And then we have Bridget who just graduate, who is

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Speaker 2: So we have all three of those at our practice.

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Speaker 1: So that could be an interesting conversation for us to

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Speaker 1: come back to in the future of us giving our

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Speaker 1: for all of those different areas, send those to me

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Speaker 1: That could be pretty interesting. So if you have more

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Speaker 1: love answering this kind of stuff because one I like

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Speaker 1: helping people on this journey because it was such a

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Speaker 1: wonderful journey myself and two. I wish that I would

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Speaker 1: have asked some of these questions to different people as well,

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Speaker 1: because I got some wonky advice that I'm glad I

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Speaker 1: didn't take. I wish I did get more advice on

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Speaker 1: the student alone stuff, but you know, I was young, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if you have more questions, send them Katherine at

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Speaker 1: Union Therapy podcast dot com. You can also follow us

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Speaker 1: at Union Therapy Podcasts and me at kat van Buren,

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Speaker 1: and our three churt Therapy instagram is at three Churts Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I will be back with you on Monday. Until then,

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Speaker 2: I hope you have the day you need to have

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Speaker 2: and I hope you get the degree you need to get. Bye, guys,