WEBVTT - Heavyweight Short: A Canadian Tale

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<v Speaker 1>Heavyweight host Jonathan Goldstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Producer Khalila Holt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>What some people are referring to around the water cooler

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<v Speaker 2>here at Gimblet Media as possibly the most Canadian story

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<v Speaker 2>ever told.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're talking to around the water cooler, the office

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<v Speaker 1>isn't even open.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a metaphor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, some of these are just imaginary, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised to hear this. I never knew that you

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<v Speaker 2>were such a literalist. I'm taking a flight of fancy.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you join me?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Trade tables not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we receive a lot of emails. Yes, people

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<v Speaker 2>reach out and they want help with problems that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>And recently we got this email that was so random

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<v Speaker 2>and obscure that normally I'd be like, there's nothing I

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<v Speaker 2>could do to help. But just by complete coincidence, I

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<v Speaker 2>know the one person who could actually help this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am talking about my friend James. So the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing that I had to do was call up

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<v Speaker 2>James and ask for a favor. Boo hi, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will get to that story right after the break.

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<v Speaker 4>Psych boom, Hello, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard Wait one second, look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose you're wondering why I've invited you to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>I keep I was wondering if it's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>some sort of intervention. But but I'm I'm assuming not.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I so I received emails to the show where people

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<v Speaker 2>are looking for help. Yes, the thing that I am

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<v Speaker 2>looking for from you is a connection that you have.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it's not Drake because I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to touch with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew you were going to think it was Drake, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was part of my strategy because then when you'd

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<v Speaker 2>hear that it wasn't Drake, you'd be ready to give

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<v Speaker 2>me anything. All right, since we're bringing Since we're bringing

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<v Speaker 2>up Drake, why don't you go ahead and explain your

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<v Speaker 2>connection to Drake?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I worked on a TV show called Degrassi

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<v Speaker 5>The Next Generation where he started out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a child actor, right, Canadian child actor.

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<v Speaker 5>Canadian child actor, and he did the first rap that

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<v Speaker 5>he did on camera. Anyways, this one that I wrote,

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<v Speaker 5>it is very bad. It was just a few lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you can you spit?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you spit some rhymes?

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<v Speaker 3>I can, but I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh come on, no, how about one line?

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<v Speaker 4>One line?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even have to wrap it you could just

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<v Speaker 2>speak it like poetry.

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<v Speaker 3>Be so embarrassing, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Line which you speak in a non wrapping Hayden's.

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<v Speaker 3>So, why did you have to go?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, now, now you've got me looking it up. I

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<v Speaker 5>typed in Drake and the first thing I got was

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<v Speaker 5>Drake and kadye beef. They do have beef apparently. Here

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<v Speaker 5>it is Tracy, Jimmy and Spinner's wrap.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on YouTube, Oh very much.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes you can hear it. Oh my goodness, this

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<v Speaker 3>is so persing. Okay, here we go, Sure, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh this isn't it. Hold on, we're not forgetting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have the ammo, my friend, we have the ammo.

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<v Speaker 3>The Brooks.

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<v Speaker 6>Homie is a player and that is all. So why'd

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<v Speaker 6>you have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go and kick his ball? And Chaine ain't that name?

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<v Speaker 6>Because you would play at Hayden and that's a shame.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why did you make me do that?

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<v Speaker 6>Gat?

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<v Speaker 2>So, No, I'm not asking.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't ask you to reach out to Drake.

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<v Speaker 3>It probably wouldn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was going to say it's a smaller ask,

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<v Speaker 2>but in a way, he might be bigger than Drake

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<v Speaker 2>at one time, let's say he was bigger than Drake.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this Kevin Smith, because they won't even get into

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<v Speaker 2>the Kevin Smith. Though this is someone who knows your name.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea who this could be.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, why don't I read you the email that

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<v Speaker 2>I received? And as I read it it might dawn

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<v Speaker 2>on you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So it's.

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<v Speaker 2>From a guy named Adam en Wright. I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>problem for many years, and it's the fact that people

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe I met Fidel Castro. And then and then

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on to say that Castro was in Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>for Pierre Elliott Trudeau's funeral and he saw him in

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<v Speaker 2>Old Montreal with former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I know where this is going.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well let me get there. Here we go, let's

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<v Speaker 2>see if you're right. So at a certain point, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Martin exited a restaurant, and a few minutes later, so

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<v Speaker 2>did Castro, who got into a limousine with no bodyguards.

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<v Speaker 2>And it all happened too quickly for Adam to snap

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<v Speaker 2>a picture with a camera or to you know, try

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<v Speaker 2>to shake his hand, so he just he ended up

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<v Speaker 2>just saying shouting out Viva la revolution one. But he

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<v Speaker 2>describes this stunning moment where he felt just frozen in time.

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<v Speaker 2>But then in the days and years afterwards, nobody he

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<v Speaker 2>tells the story to believes it. So Adam is turning

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<v Speaker 2>to me to somehow prove that he met Fidel Castro.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you know WHYPI So now you know why

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<v Speaker 2>I am getting in touch with you. Yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 2>former prime minister, former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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<v Speaker 5>I know him very tangentially. No, he would just know

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<v Speaker 5>me as one of his son's friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Your friend, Jamie, you are friends, actual friends with the

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<v Speaker 2>son of a prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For our American listeners say prime minister is like the

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<v Speaker 2>is like the Canadian president.

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<v Speaker 3>He is indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So if I could get to Paul Martin and

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<v Speaker 2>ask if he had dinner with Fidel Castro on the

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<v Speaker 2>day of Trudeau's funeral, that would basically come about as

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<v Speaker 2>close as anything else to proving that Adam had indeed

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<v Speaker 2>seen Castro that day, right, I think?

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<v Speaker 5>So, I can't get much better than that. You could,

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<v Speaker 5>you could basically place him there.

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<v Speaker 2>So how would you feel about calling up Jamie and

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<v Speaker 2>asking if he could ask his dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely absolutely, let's do it. So here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you all set, Here we go. I'm we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna call it. We're gonna burn this bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey de man, Hi buddy, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 6>Dough boy? Are you going to be a sea? If

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<v Speaker 6>seeing with us tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I proved that Fidel Castro had dinner with your father,

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<v Speaker 2>then that would go away to legitimize this guy's claim

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<v Speaker 2>of having run into him.

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<v Speaker 6>The man is now eighty three years old.

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<v Speaker 7>But I can ask my dad and I can see

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<v Speaker 7>what he remembers.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're not You're not bubbling together right now for

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<v Speaker 2>COVID are you You're not You're not all staying in

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<v Speaker 2>the same residence or anything.

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<v Speaker 6>No, we are exactly Actually he's just downstairs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh we are.

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<v Speaker 6>We are doing exactly that. We are bubbling together. We

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<v Speaker 6>have been for two months.

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<v Speaker 4>So you could you could I can.

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<v Speaker 6>Ask him in in twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you could theoretically just walk downstairs with me

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone and say, hey, Dad, does this spring

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<v Speaker 2>a bell?

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<v Speaker 6>Let me you know one, let me try to do it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going downstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going downstairs, all right, great.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, Oh, hey Dad, do you remember after the funeral

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<v Speaker 7>of Pierre Elliott Trudeau meeting up with Fidel Castro?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, more specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan, they would have had dinner at a restaurant in

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<v Speaker 2>Old Montreal.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you remember having dinner in Old Montreal and Fidel

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<v Speaker 8>Castro was there?

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<v Speaker 6>The only thing I remember.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a friend of mine who's doing a podcast.

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<v Speaker 8>This is not some kind of gotcha anything like this.

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<v Speaker 8>Would you be willing to answer his questions about twenty

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<v Speaker 8>five years ago?

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<v Speaker 6>You can talk to the man himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, here it is, hello, mister Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Hi are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for talking to me. This is

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<v Speaker 2>such a strange request. I don't know if Jamie explained

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<v Speaker 2>to you the podcast that I do. Okay, I do

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast where people write into me with some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>question or curiosity. Do you have any memory of having

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<v Speaker 2>had dinner with with Fidel Castro.

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<v Speaker 9>The only thing I can remember about about the Trudeau

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<v Speaker 9>funeral was I remember justin speaking over the coffin in

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<v Speaker 9>the church. Yeah, that's the only thing I can remember.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't remember really what I did before, and I

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<v Speaker 9>have no idea where I ate or what I did.

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<v Speaker 9>Now Here's the probably Jamie will tell you this. There

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<v Speaker 9>are a lot of things that I might have done

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<v Speaker 9>twenty five years ago that I I just don't remember

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<v Speaker 9>that I might have done.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that it's just that you know, you've

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<v Speaker 2>you've met so many important people over your life that

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<v Speaker 2>Fidel Castro doesn't stand out.

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<v Speaker 9>Or it's conceivable that if I had met Fidel Castro

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<v Speaker 9>that I would not remember it, because you meet a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of people. If, on the other hand, if I

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<v Speaker 9>had said supper with Fidel Castro, then there's a at least.

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<v Speaker 6>A fifty to fifty chance I would remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you don't remember because you just it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen, or you don't remember just because you'd you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you just don't remember a lot of this stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>happened so long ago.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think I suspect I suspect it I don't

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<v Speaker 9>remember because it didn't happen, Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if I.

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<v Speaker 9>Would have had a one on one with Castro, I

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<v Speaker 9>would remember that. I think if if I'd been at

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<v Speaker 9>a dinner where Castro was listen, I've been I hate

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<v Speaker 9>to say it this way, but I've been at so

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<v Speaker 9>many of those dinners where so many people renown are

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<v Speaker 9>that they don't stick.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the meetings with people of you know, renown, like

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<v Speaker 2>famous politics and such, do they have a longer shelf

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<v Speaker 2>life than the memories than the intimate memories, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>memories of like your your your kids and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, not at all. And I suspect that

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<v Speaker 9>if you reflect on this conversation and twenty five years

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<v Speaker 9>from now, what you remember is the event, not in

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<v Speaker 9>the significance of the event in terms of a historic thing, but.

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<v Speaker 6>As opposed to the people.

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<v Speaker 9>So that you know, if.

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<v Speaker 6>I met.

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<v Speaker 9>If I met somebody at a rocket launch, it's conceivable

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<v Speaker 9>I would remember the rocket launch and I would not

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<v Speaker 9>remember the people that were there. Be quite honest, I

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<v Speaker 9>do not remember meeting Vane Lchestra.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's uh, that's that is good enough. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I've traveled quite a ways to answer this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's question. I made it all the way. You and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and I and I promise you in twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years I will remember our conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, I promise you in twenty five years I

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<v Speaker 9>won't be here to confirm it.

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<v Speaker 2>But are you hold Adam?

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<v Speaker 4>And right?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, this is Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Jonathan Goldsteen speaking. That's incredible he recognized my voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm so touched.

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<v Speaker 10>That's incredible. Holdly man, I think you're gonna call.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not crying, are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just about yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's very sweet of you. H After after receiving

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<v Speaker 2>your email, I kind of I set to work on it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So on my end, Okay, so what caught my eye

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<v Speaker 2>in your email? Was you mentioned Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I have.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend who has a connection to Paul Martin's. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a long way to go to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that I come bearing bad news. I wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 2>verify it from Paul Martley.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's fully understandable. Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe it

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<v Speaker 10>was a guy that looked a lot like Astro. Who

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<v Speaker 10>knows that I haven't even told anyone for years about

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<v Speaker 10>it actually, because you know, you just get that sort

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<v Speaker 10>of irol, you know, like because it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 10>it just you know, it just doesn't come off right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something else. Actually, when when I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Paul art and one of the things that he

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<v Speaker 2>said is that his memory of his kids. That is

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<v Speaker 2>more vivid to him and more easily accessible than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his memory of statesman and famous people.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that makes sense. You know.

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<v Speaker 10>I did web design for a few years and now

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<v Speaker 10>I've gone back to working with seniors and people will remember,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, things that don't reflect in the history books.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, people remember their husbands or wives and kids.

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<v Speaker 10>And do you have kids. I've got a little son, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever told him this story about meeting Castro?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>But you think your son, right, like, your son would

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<v Speaker 2>believe you, right, You think that's what kids are for.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so naive, they're so believing.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, well, you know I won't tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you have to explain to him who Castro

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<v Speaker 2>is first.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hey, listen, you know I will say that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe you.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you, yoke.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that you're going to remember this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that we're having now twenty five years from now. This

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<v Speaker 2>episode was produced by Stevie Lane, Khalila Holt, and me

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Goldstein. It was mixed by Catherine Anderson, with music

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<v Speaker 2>by Trebon's Blue Dot Sessions and Bobby Lord. Heavyweight returns

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<v Speaker 2>with a full new season on September thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you soon.