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Speaker 1: Heavyweight host Jonathan Goldstein.

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Speaker 2: Producer Khalila Holt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 2: What some people are referring to around the water cooler

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Speaker 2: here at Gimblet Media as possibly the most Canadian story

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Speaker 2: ever told.

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Speaker 1: If you're talking to around the water cooler, the office

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Speaker 1: isn't even open.

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Speaker 2: It's a metaphor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, some of these are just imaginary, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised to hear this. I never knew that you

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Speaker 2: were such a literalist. I'm taking a flight of fancy.

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Speaker 3: Will you join me?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Trade tables not.

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Speaker 2: You know, we receive a lot of emails. Yes, people

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Speaker 2: reach out and they want help with problems that they have.

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Speaker 2: And recently we got this email that was so random

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Speaker 2: and obscure that normally I'd be like, there's nothing I

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Speaker 2: could do to help. But just by complete coincidence, I

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Speaker 2: know the one person who could actually help this guy,

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Speaker 2: and I am talking about my friend James. So the

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Speaker 2: first thing that I had to do was call up

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Speaker 2: James and ask for a favor. Boo hi, and we

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Speaker 2: will get to that story right after the break.

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Speaker 4: Psych boom, Hello, oh.

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Speaker 3: I heard Wait one second, look at that.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you're wondering why I've invited you to this conversation.

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Speaker 5: I keep I was wondering if it's going to be

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Speaker 5: some sort of intervention. But but I'm I'm assuming not.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I so I received emails to the show where people

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Speaker 2: are looking for help. Yes, the thing that I am

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Speaker 2: looking for from you is a connection that you have.

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Speaker 3: I hope it's not Drake because I don't know how

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Speaker 3: to touch with it.

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Speaker 2: Knew you were going to think it was Drake, and

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Speaker 2: that was part of my strategy because then when you'd

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Speaker 2: hear that it wasn't Drake, you'd be ready to give

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Speaker 2: me anything. All right, since we're bringing Since we're bringing

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Speaker 2: up Drake, why don't you go ahead and explain your

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Speaker 2: connection to Drake?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I worked on a TV show called Degrassi

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Speaker 5: The Next Generation where he started out.

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Speaker 2: He's a child actor, right, Canadian child actor.

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Speaker 5: Canadian child actor, and he did the first rap that

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Speaker 5: he did on camera. Anyways, this one that I wrote,

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Speaker 5: it is very bad. It was just a few lines.

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Speaker 4: Do you can you spit?

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Speaker 2: Can you spit some rhymes?

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Speaker 3: I can, but I won't.

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Speaker 2: Oh come on, no, how about one line?

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Speaker 4: One line?

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Speaker 2: You don't even have to wrap it you could just

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Speaker 2: speak it like poetry.

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Speaker 3: Be so embarrassing, one.

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Speaker 2: Line which you speak in a non wrapping Hayden's.

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Speaker 3: So, why did you have to go?

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Speaker 5: Okay, now, now you've got me looking it up. I

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Speaker 5: typed in Drake and the first thing I got was

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Speaker 5: Drake and kadye beef. They do have beef apparently. Here

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Speaker 5: it is Tracy, Jimmy and Spinner's wrap.

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Speaker 2: It's on YouTube, Oh very much.

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Speaker 3: So yes you can hear it. Oh my goodness, this

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Speaker 3: is so persing. Okay, here we go, Sure, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Oh this isn't it. Hold on, we're not forgetting it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the ammo, my friend, we have the ammo.

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Speaker 3: The Brooks.

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Speaker 6: Homie is a player and that is all. So why'd

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Speaker 6: you have to.

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Speaker 3: Go and kick his ball? And Chaine ain't that name?

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Speaker 6: Because you would play at Hayden and that's a shame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you make me do that?

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Speaker 6: Gat?

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Speaker 2: So, No, I'm not asking.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't ask you to reach out to Drake.

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Speaker 3: It probably wouldn't work.

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Speaker 2: But I was going to say it's a smaller ask,

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Speaker 2: but in a way, he might be bigger than Drake

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Speaker 2: at one time, let's say he was bigger than Drake.

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Speaker 2: Is this Kevin Smith, because they won't even get into

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Speaker 2: the Kevin Smith. Though this is someone who knows your name.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea who this could be.

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Speaker 2: All right, why don't I read you the email that

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Speaker 2: I received? And as I read it it might dawn

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Speaker 2: on you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it's.

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Speaker 2: From a guy named Adam en Wright. I've had a

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Speaker 2: problem for many years, and it's the fact that people

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Speaker 2: don't believe I met Fidel Castro. And then and then

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Speaker 2: he goes on to say that Castro was in Montreal

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Speaker 2: for Pierre Elliott Trudeau's funeral and he saw him in

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Speaker 2: Old Montreal with former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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Speaker 3: I think I know where this is going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let me get there. Here we go, let's

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Speaker 2: see if you're right. So at a certain point, Paul

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Speaker 2: Martin exited a restaurant, and a few minutes later, so

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Speaker 2: did Castro, who got into a limousine with no bodyguards.

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Speaker 2: And it all happened too quickly for Adam to snap

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Speaker 2: a picture with a camera or to you know, try

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Speaker 2: just saying shouting out Viva la revolution one. But he

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Speaker 2: describes this stunning moment where he felt just frozen in time.

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Speaker 2: But then in the days and years afterwards, nobody he

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Speaker 2: tells the story to believes it. So Adam is turning

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Speaker 2: to me to somehow prove that he met Fidel Castro.

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Speaker 2: So now you know WHYPI So now you know why

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Speaker 2: I am getting in touch with you. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: former prime minister, former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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Speaker 5: I know him very tangentially. No, he would just know

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Speaker 5: me as one of his son's friends.

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Speaker 2: Your friend, Jamie, you are friends, actual friends with the

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Speaker 2: son of a prime minister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For our American listeners say prime minister is like the

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Speaker 2: is like the Canadian president.

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Speaker 3: He is indeed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So if I could get to Paul Martin and

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Speaker 2: ask if he had dinner with Fidel Castro on the

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Speaker 2: day of Trudeau's funeral, that would basically come about as

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Speaker 2: close as anything else to proving that Adam had indeed

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Speaker 2: seen Castro that day, right, I think?

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Speaker 5: So, I can't get much better than that. You could,

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Speaker 5: you could basically place him there.

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Speaker 2: So how would you feel about calling up Jamie and

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Speaker 2: asking if he could ask his dad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely, let's do it. So here we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, you all set, Here we go. I'm we're

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Speaker 2: gonna call it. We're gonna burn this bridge.

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Speaker 3: Hey de man, Hi buddy, how's it going?

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Speaker 6: Dough boy? Are you going to be a sea? If

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Speaker 6: seeing with us tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I proved that Fidel Castro had dinner with your father,

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Speaker 2: then that would go away to legitimize this guy's claim

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Speaker 2: of having run into him.

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Speaker 6: The man is now eighty three years old.

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Speaker 7: But I can ask my dad and I can see

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Speaker 7: what he remembers.

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Speaker 2: You're you're not You're not bubbling together right now for

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Speaker 2: COVID are you You're not You're not all staying in

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Speaker 2: the same residence or anything.

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Speaker 6: No, we are exactly Actually he's just downstairs.

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Speaker 3: Oh we are.

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Speaker 6: We are doing exactly that. We are bubbling together. We

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Speaker 6: have been for two months.

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Speaker 4: So you could you could I can.

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Speaker 6: Ask him in in twenty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you could theoretically just walk downstairs with me

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Speaker 2: on the phone and say, hey, Dad, does this spring

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Speaker 2: a bell?

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Speaker 6: Let me you know one, let me try to do it.

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Speaker 6: I'm going downstairs.

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Speaker 2: I'm going downstairs, all right, great.

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Speaker 6: Let's see.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Oh, hey Dad, do you remember after the funeral

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Speaker 7: of Pierre Elliott Trudeau meeting up with Fidel Castro?

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Speaker 6: Okay, more specific.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, they would have had dinner at a restaurant in

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Speaker 2: Old Montreal.

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Speaker 8: Do you remember having dinner in Old Montreal and Fidel

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Speaker 8: Castro was there?

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Speaker 6: The only thing I remember.

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Speaker 8: This is a friend of mine who's doing a podcast.

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Speaker 8: This is not some kind of gotcha anything like this.

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Speaker 8: Would you be willing to answer his questions about twenty

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Speaker 8: five years ago?

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Speaker 6: You can talk to the man himself.

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Speaker 2: Sure, here it is, hello, mister Martin.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking to me. This is

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Speaker 2: such a strange request. I don't know if Jamie explained

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Speaker 2: to you the podcast that I do. Okay, I do

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Speaker 2: this podcast where people write into me with some you know,

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Speaker 2: question or curiosity. Do you have any memory of having

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Speaker 2: had dinner with with Fidel Castro.

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Speaker 9: The only thing I can remember about about the Trudeau

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Speaker 9: funeral was I remember justin speaking over the coffin in

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Speaker 9: the church. Yeah, that's the only thing I can remember.

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Speaker 9: I can't remember really what I did before, and I

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Speaker 9: have no idea where I ate or what I did.

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Speaker 9: Now Here's the probably Jamie will tell you this. There

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Speaker 9: are a lot of things that I might have done

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Speaker 9: twenty five years ago that I I just don't remember

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Speaker 9: that I might have done.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it's just that you know, you've

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Speaker 2: you've met so many important people over your life that

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Speaker 2: Fidel Castro doesn't stand out.

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Speaker 9: Or it's conceivable that if I had met Fidel Castro

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Speaker 9: that I would not remember it, because you meet a

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Speaker 9: lot of people. If, on the other hand, if I

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Speaker 9: had said supper with Fidel Castro, then there's a at least.

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Speaker 6: A fifty to fifty chance I would remember it.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you don't remember because you just it

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Speaker 2: didn't happen, or you don't remember just because you'd you know,

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Speaker 2: you just don't remember a lot of this stuff that

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Speaker 9: Well, I think I suspect I suspect it I don't

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Speaker 9: remember because it didn't happen, Huh.

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Speaker 3: I think if I.

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Speaker 9: Would have had a one on one with Castro, I

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Speaker 9: would remember that. I think if if I'd been at

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Speaker 9: a dinner where Castro was listen, I've been I hate

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Speaker 9: to say it this way, but I've been at so

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Speaker 9: many of those dinners where so many people renown are

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Speaker 9: that they don't stick.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 2: Do the meetings with people of you know, renown, like

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Speaker 2: famous politics and such, do they have a longer shelf

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Speaker 2: life than the memories than the intimate memories, you know,

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Speaker 2: memories of like your your your kids and stuff like that.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, not at all. And I suspect that

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Speaker 9: if you reflect on this conversation and twenty five years

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Speaker 9: from now, what you remember is the event, not in

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Speaker 9: the significance of the event in terms of a historic thing, but.

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Speaker 6: As opposed to the people.

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Speaker 9: So that you know, if.

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Speaker 6: I met.

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Speaker 9: If I met somebody at a rocket launch, it's conceivable

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Speaker 9: I would remember the rocket launch and I would not

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Speaker 9: remember the people that were there. Be quite honest, I

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Speaker 9: do not remember meeting Vane Lchestra.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's uh, that's that is good enough. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I've traveled quite a ways to answer this

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Speaker 2: guy's question. I made it all the way. You and

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Speaker 2: uh and I and I promise you in twenty five

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Speaker 2: years I will remember our conversation.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I promise you in twenty five years I

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Speaker 2: But are you hold Adam?

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Speaker 4: And right?

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Speaker 10: Yes, this is Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Goldsteen speaking. That's incredible he recognized my voice.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm so touched.

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Speaker 10: That's incredible. Holdly man, I think you're gonna call.

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Speaker 2: You're not crying, are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm just about yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's very sweet of you. H After after receiving

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Speaker 2: your email, I kind of I set to work on it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So on my end, Okay, so what caught my eye

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Speaker 2: in your email? Was you mentioned Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have.

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Speaker 2: A friend who has a connection to Paul Martin's. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a long way to go to tell you

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Speaker 2: that I come bearing bad news. I wasn't able to

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Speaker 2: verify it from Paul Martley.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's fully understandable. Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe it

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Speaker 10: was a guy that looked a lot like Astro. Who

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Speaker 10: it actually, because you know, you just get that sort

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Speaker 10: it just you know, it just doesn't come off right.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you something else. Actually, when when I spoke

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Speaker 2: to Paul art and one of the things that he

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Speaker 2: said is that his memory of his kids. That is

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Speaker 2: more vivid to him and more easily accessible than you know,

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Speaker 2: his memory of statesman and famous people.

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Speaker 3: Right, that makes sense. You know.

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Speaker 10: I did web design for a few years and now

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Speaker 10: I've gone back to working with seniors and people will remember,

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Speaker 10: you know, things that don't reflect in the history books.

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Speaker 10: You know, people remember their husbands or wives and kids.

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Speaker 10: And do you have kids. I've got a little son, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever told him this story about meeting Castro?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: But you think your son, right, like, your son would

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Speaker 2: believe you, right, You think that's what kids are for.

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Speaker 2: They're so naive, they're so believing.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know I won't tell him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you have to explain to him who Castro

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Speaker 10: Yes, I would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, listen, you know I will say that. You know,

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Speaker 2: I believe you.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, yoke.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you're going to remember this conversation

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Speaker 2: that we're having now twenty five years from now. This

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Speaker 2: episode was produced by Stevie Lane, Khalila Holt, and me

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Goldstein. It was mixed by Catherine Anderson, with music

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Speaker 2: by Trebon's Blue Dot Sessions and Bobby Lord. Heavyweight returns

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Speaker 2: with a full new season on September thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you soon.