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Speaker 1: It's now officially open. This is Draft Season presented by Moodies.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelt from the Hackensack Prity Health podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: Keep getting Better. We welcome in the new executive director

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Speaker 1: of the Pinnini Senior Bowl. He is Drew Fabianich, longtime

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Speaker 1: scout for the Dallas Cowboys. Took over for Jim Naggy

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Speaker 1: who moved on to Oklahoma to kind of run be

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Speaker 1: the general manager basically of their program down there, and

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Speaker 1: Drew was taken over down there at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this, Drew, how are

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Speaker 1: you today?

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Speaker 2: Pleasure John, Thank you for having me. It's pleasure to

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Speaker 2: be here.

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Speaker 1: Really. And I know we're always paying to welcome in

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Speaker 1: cowboy guest here on our Giants podcast, but we have

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Speaker 1: done it before.

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Speaker 3: Brian brought us.

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Speaker 1: A former colleague of yours with the Cowboys has been

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Speaker 1: on many times. And I'm sure it's a little weird

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Speaker 1: for you talking to some Giants football as a division

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Speaker 1: rival for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a lot of angst on this one though.

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Speaker 2: I told my wife last night, I said, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not used to that of Blue. I'm used to

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Speaker 2: a different kind of blue, you know. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's kind of strange. And I'm sure I'm not many

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Speaker 2: of Cowboy guests that you've had on the Giants network.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked earlier. Jerry Reese and I are close,

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Speaker 2: and you know we had some great, great games through

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Speaker 2: my time and his time, and you know, went on paper,

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Speaker 2: the roster was better one way or the other, it

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Speaker 2: always went the other way in the game. It was strange,

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Speaker 2: it really was. I mean, when they were better, we

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Speaker 2: smoked them, and then we were better, we got smoked

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Speaker 2: by them. So it was. It's been It's been a

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Speaker 2: great time, great rivalry, and I hope I'm here to

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Speaker 2: help you guys too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, last ten years, I've lived through the Giants not

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Speaker 1: being able to beat Dak Prescott pretty much since he's

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Speaker 1: got into the league.

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Speaker 3: That has not been fun.

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Speaker 1: But I go back to that two thousand and seven

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Speaker 1: Giant team where nobody thought heading into Dallas in that

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Speaker 1: divisional round, Dallas coming off the buy I think fourteen

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Speaker 1: and two that year, if I remember right, for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and just a couple of plays and Mario Barber

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Speaker 1: ran for like what one hundred and thirty yards in

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Speaker 1: the first half of that game, and Anthony Henry, if

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Speaker 1: I remember, I missed that little tackle on Amani Tumor

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Speaker 1: on the app that kind of turned the game. It

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Speaker 1: has been a very weird, weird rivalry between these two teams.

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Speaker 2: And Patrick Crayton dropping a wide open overball yep.

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Speaker 1: And then what twenty eleven when Romo overthrew Miles Austin

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Speaker 1: right in the regular season game in the night game

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Speaker 1: at the end where I think he lost the ball

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Speaker 1: in the lights a little bit right where. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: without that, the Giants probably don't make the playoffs when

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Speaker 1: they eventually win the Super Bowl. So it's funny others,

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Speaker 1: Robory has kind of gone back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I notice you said super Bowl. I don't have

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Speaker 2: any of those rings that you have.

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Speaker 1: You know, No, I feel you. And now you have

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Speaker 1: a brand new role though, Drew. So tell me the

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Speaker 1: difference between scouting for all thirty two teams now versus

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Speaker 1: being a college scout for an individual team trying to

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Speaker 1: a specific set of coaches might want, versus guys that'll

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Speaker 2: Well, you see, see my role for fourteen out of

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Speaker 2: those eighteen years. See, I was the national scout. So

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Speaker 2: this is kind of almost rote memory for me. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm going by school, I'm going you know and raiding

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Speaker 2: like I did as a national scout. Now I'm blessed,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, because Jim put together a really

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Speaker 2: really good staff here. Jack Gilmore's my head operations, and

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Speaker 2: I've got Michael Newsom as a scouting assistant, and Jackson

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Speaker 2: Roby's a scouting assistant. When I walked in the door,

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Speaker 2: there are already two hundred and fifty players on the board.

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Speaker 2: Now we end up now where's there's close to seven

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Speaker 2: for that. And my purpose was that I thought that,

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Speaker 2: always has been, always will be. And everybody I talked

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Speaker 2: about this too, and we sent you know, the packages

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Speaker 2: and everything. They said, you know, this is now just

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Speaker 2: it's such a restricted number and you know, you've read things,

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Speaker 2: I've gotten bashed left and right. You know, it's an

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Speaker 2: injustice not to have seven more players from such and

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Speaker 2: such on it. Well, you know what, there was some

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Speaker 2: Mendoza lines that I set and there were specifics that

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Speaker 2: I thought of, And just like the junior piece of this,

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Speaker 2: there's fifty four juniors on there. Right. Well, those juniors

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Speaker 2: I deemed as guys over top three round you know,

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Speaker 2: as mad at me for putting those guys on the list.

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Speaker 2: Now it's the fourth, fifth, sixth round guys they want

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm still going to get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of grief here and there on certain juniors, but you

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Speaker 2: know they're now eligible and you know they can play

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Speaker 2: I've got to put a precise number out there. But

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Speaker 2: to answer your question in a short, short way, this

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Speaker 2: is just like stacking a vertical board for the draft,

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Speaker 2: because these were the top three hundred players regardless of position.

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Speaker 2: That's all it was. That's all it was.

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Speaker 3: And you know you talked about it last year.

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Speaker 1: I think the list was more than twice the size,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes you want to include everybody, but it almost

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Speaker 1: think I think pairing it down here and finding it

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Speaker 1: what was absolutely the right thing to do. How hard

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Speaker 2: Very difficult. We spent four days together as a staff

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Speaker 2: and we kept going through every school list that we

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Speaker 2: are these guys you know better than these you know?

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Speaker 2: Because that's what we did. It's just like I told you,

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Speaker 2: when you're plugging in a vertical board, you go, which

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Speaker 2: one's better than such and such. Well, we plug it

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Speaker 2: These four are going to go down. And again, the

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Speaker 2: three hundred is not where we're going to necessarily grab

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Speaker 2: every single player on our one hundred and forty five roster.

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Speaker 2: You know, guys can surface, guys can play their way

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Speaker 2: into an invite. We're not saying that it's just off

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Speaker 2: three hundred. And yes, it was hard because I've got

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Speaker 2: it took a great deal of time. And again, kudos

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Speaker 2: I seen all three hundred No, I've probably seen about

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Speaker 2: two fifty to two sixty, you know, And I trusted

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Speaker 2: the grades. I trusted them, and you know again because

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Speaker 2: I've had to get my legs about me and do

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Speaker 2: a lot of other things that I didn't know were

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Speaker 2: it's not just it's not just the game, not even close.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you're you're the business side of it.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of whenever I talk to the the Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the Giants have had a bunch of new head coaches

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Speaker 1: over the years, and the guys that were coordinators always say, man,

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Speaker 1: all the non football stuff I have to do now,

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Speaker 1: I just wish I was like drawing up plays and

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Speaker 1: the other stuff that's not football that I have to do.

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Speaker 2: Now I had I had the scouting assistance in with me.

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Speaker 2: Last couple of days, I've been just trying to catch

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Speaker 2: a text alert, there's an email alert, there's another call,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going like, okay, could people just leave me

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Speaker 2: get like four guys done, you know. And it's like

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Speaker 2: and they go, well, we'll just wait, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, guys, because I got to knock this out,

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Speaker 2: you know, because most of the time I'll push back

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Speaker 2: what I don't need to do at that very moment,

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Speaker 2: because again, I'd like to feel more comfortable with the players.

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Speaker 2: And when I'm more comfortable with them, at least I'm

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Speaker 2: better I can better communicate about them. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And look, people should go to Senior Bowl dot com

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Speaker 1: and see the three hundred. Again, it's a watch list.

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Speaker 1: It's not an invite list. It is not these are

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Speaker 1: going to be the best guys at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year list. It's guys to keep an eye on

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Speaker 2: True, And here's the one I like to take away.

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Speaker 2: Don't even use the word watch list because it's just

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Speaker 2: really the top three hundred and you know, we're going

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Speaker 2: to plug in later on, we're going to identify other players,

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Speaker 2: but we watch everybody. It isn't like we're just watching

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Speaker 2: there too. It's not. I mean again, I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: to give value and prestige to this list. And you know,

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Speaker 2: and one of the guys called yesterday, one of the Lesons,

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Speaker 2: and he said, he said, I handed it to the players,

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Speaker 2: to get this now, you got to play your way

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Speaker 2: suit and actually treat it that way too.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, how much did you lean on I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: have a million buddies around the league here that you've

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Speaker 1: scouted with and talked to some of the teams and

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Speaker 1: what they think about the players in terms of how

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Speaker 1: you put the list together, or were you solely dependent

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Speaker 1: on your scouting staff at the Senior.

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Speaker 2: Bowl right now solely on ours and now through the fall.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be plenty of guys that you know,

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Speaker 2: that I've been close to for years and years that say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, this guy's playing really really well. It's such

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Speaker 2: and such. You know, you might want to you might

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's where I'm going to rely on those guys. Plus,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have ten guys that actually are doing

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Speaker 2: tapework all over the country that are going to cross

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Speaker 2: check us, and then we're going to cross check their

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Speaker 2: work on the players that they're going to look at

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Speaker 2: during the fall. And now they're going to go to games,

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Speaker 2: you know, specific games that are valuable to them within

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Speaker 2: you know, guys out on school visits. Now I've been

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Speaker 2: on some school visits because again I was also going

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Speaker 2: head coaches want me to say what NFL scouts and

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Speaker 1: moodies dot com. The Transferporter portal Drew is really, you know,

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Speaker 2: I kind of like this guy on tape, but then

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00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: I watched him and I go maybe not. You know.

432
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 2: So it was like it gave me, you know, a

433
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 2: really good picture of what the quarterbacks are and this

434
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 2: year's class I think is better than last year's class.

435
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 2: I really do.

436
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: We mentioned the transfer portal and I else. I feel

437
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: like in some ways that's maybe helped the game a

438
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 1: little bit because with guys making the money they are

439
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 1: drew in school, they're less apt to leave earlier, so

440
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: you're going to have more players eligible for your.

441
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: Game, right, agree and disagree. I agree with guys may

442
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 2: not leave early, and I think this is the reason

443
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: why some of them are getting a little bit more

444
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: self aware in some of the quote NIL agents or

445
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: if the PA agents or actually representing these guys in college,

446
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 2: they may say, you know, hey, you're really a fifth

447
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: rounder and you're going to make more staying in college

448
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 2: right now than you're going to make as a fifth

449
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: round pick, you know, in the NFL, and you still

450
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: have to make the team. So I think you're going

451
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 2: to get the lower end players, the fifth, sixth, and

452
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: seventh round, guys sticking around as long as they can

453
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 2: and going Okay, well, you know, hey, I'm better off

454
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: here because I know I'm locked in, i know i'm

455
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: going to start, i know I'm going to make money.

456
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: Then taking that risk of going, hey, I may not

457
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 2: make that team. So now I agree with the high

458
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: level juniors coming out early. Now I don't think they'll stay.

459
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: I still think they'll come out, and I mean the

460
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: first and second round, first and second round guys. You know,

461
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: if you're a third round guy, stay in school, you know,

462
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 2: to get try to become a second round guy, just

463
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: because like the top of the the bottom of the

464
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: top of the third and top of the second, right

465
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: on a four year contract, is a seven pointy eight

466
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: million dollar difference, right, So you should you should stay

467
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: right now. If you're already a high second, you know, stay,

468
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: you know you're already first you know, come on, I

469
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: mean I idly mean to stay in the seconds, get

470
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: out on the second. If you're a third, stay in,

471
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: you know. And here's the thing. I've been offering it

472
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: to head coaches that I know really really well. The

473
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: advisory's not out there anymore either, so they can call

474
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: me and I'll give him a value and say, you know, hey,

475
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: he should probably stay or he kind of is what

476
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: he is. And that's the other thing. I'll go back

477
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: to your question. If that guy is a fifth rounder

478
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: this year, he's probably a fifth rounder next year. Right,

479
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: So as long as he stays in right and makes

480
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: his money, and he walks out of college, let's say

481
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: he's got four hundred thousand dollars in his pocket. I

482
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: don't know by you, you or me, but I damn

483
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: sure didn't have four hundred thousand dollars in my pocket

484
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: when I left college in my degree. I mean, good starter,

485
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: right there, I mean yeah, so, and again I kind

486
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: of bounced around a little bit. But you know, I

487
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: agree and I disagree.

488
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: Now, look, I think I think that's fair.

489
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned, you know, guys that ain't gonna

490
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: be a fifth round pick will probably be one next year.

491
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the quarterback position too. We have seen

492
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, though. I think Drew, you know,

493
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: cam Ward almost came out the year previous, right, and

494
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: he probably would have been a Day three pick. Maybe

495
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: he ends up balling out.

496
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. I think people were kind

497
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: of underestimating that a little bit, okay, I mean just

498
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: because again because it was of Washington State. He did

499
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 2: put up really really good numbers and the reason why

500
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: Miami paid him what they paid him to bring him

501
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: down there, right, he.

502
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: Certainly did help himself in Miami, the same way Jayden

503
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: Daniels helped himself in his final year at LSU.

504
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And see what I'm getting at is and

505
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: again I think the quarterbacks are kind of they're not

506
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: an anomaly. But in the league, if you're desperate for

507
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: a quarterback, you're going to overpay for a quarterback. Of

508
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: course you are, I mean, and that's just the nature

509
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: of the beast for him, you know, to say he

510
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: was like a third day guy, see, I'd say he

511
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: was probably more like a fourth round guy, you know,

512
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: right at the top of the fourth, maybe bottom of

513
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: the third, because he had starter traits. And you know,

514
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: out of these twenty four guys, I think there's eight

515
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: that have starter traits that could. Now again, they may

516
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: not start day one, you know, because there's not going

517
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: to be eight you know, places where you know rookie

518
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are going to come and start in the NFL

519
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: just not you know, But to say that, I mean,

520
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: there are guys all over the league that have been

521
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: starters in the league. The Jukrobi Bersetts, you know, of

522
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: the world. They've been starters in different places. You know.

523
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: Are they good players, yes? And are they qullet. I

524
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: meant Cooper Russia started games, right, I mean, that's what

525
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. There's eight guys I think that are

526
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: out of the twenty four that are capable of starting

527
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

528
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, So where I was going to go with

529
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: that is, do you see guys in this group similar

530
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: to the cam Wards, the Jaden Daniels, that could kind

531
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: of as a just continue their college career, you know,

532
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: blow up and really become all right, well, this guy's

533
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: not just you know, a third round guy. Now, he

534
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: could you know, challenges as like a top ten pick.

535
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: I do, But I also see guys on there that

536
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: I go, you know, they might go back, they might

537
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: do just like Garrettnsmeyer did. And I thought that was

538
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: a great move by Garrett. I really did, because he

539
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: was still growing, he was still developing. I mean, he's

540
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: the perfect example of just you know, having some wherewithal

541
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: to stay somewhere and develop and learn the game and

542
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: kind of grow instead of going like, Okay, well I'm

543
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: not playing, I'm out, you know, and I'm gonna go

544
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: learn in another system and then oh I may not

545
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, I may not play there, and then oh

546
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: maybe out again, you know, there's no adversity with the

547
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: transfer portal. That's what the NFL doesn't like, and that's

548
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: what coaches don't like. As soon as there's any kind

549
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: of adversity, it's I'm out, I'm EIGHTI out the gate. Right, Well,

550
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: guess what you get to NFL. There's a hell of

551
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: a lot of adversity.

552
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: You know, And you can't just leave.

553
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: You can't just leave, that's right. You know you can

554
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: get cut, you know, really easily, you know. But again

555
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: that's and again I know we're kind of bouncing around

556
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, I see there's there's some

557
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: favorites I have in that group. And like we talked

558
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: about earlier, this time I have personal relationships already. And

559
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: it was because you know where I lived, who I

560
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: worked with. I you know, I worked with their dads.

561
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: I know their dad. I mean, which is you know,

562
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: still kills me, you know, not as bad as last

563
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: year though I actually had a I actually had a

564
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: kid I was recruiting that I played with his with

565
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: his granddad. Oh man, Yeah, that really made me feel bad,

566
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: really made me feel old. What I said, Herman, Herman White.

567
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: He was like, I was like your dad, Herman White.

568
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: He goes, yes, where'd your dad play? And he goes

569
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: a Mesa and Colorado. I go, oh, wow, wow, you

570
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: know that's like I played with your grand dad.

571
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: Grand It's funny you mentioned that of my I thought

572
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: Drew Allers and the guy smart to go back continue

573
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: to develop, right, I don't want to rush things, and

574
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: I think it's I do think that is a good

575
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: thing for some of these quarterbacks because look, obviously both

576
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: of us have Parcels connections. Right, he was in Dallas.

577
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard a million Parcels isms. And look,

578
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: some of the stuff has changed, but we've seen just

579
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: having a lot of snaps at that position in college

580
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: can be so valuable for being ready to play in

581
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think I don't mind older quarterback prospects.

582
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: It just means I know more about you as a player.

583
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: Fine, stay in school. I'm good with that.

584
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: True. But here's here's the other thing. What if those

585
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: snaps weren't pro style snaps.

586
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: That's true too, fair See, it takes.

587
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: You longer to develop when you get to the NFL, then,

588
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: because I'd be willing to bet you fifty percent of

589
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks don't identify, don't idea mike, don't change protections right,

590
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: and don't have more than three or four kill calls

591
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: during a game.

592
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: Now they might not even huddle or go under center

593
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: for the mistakes.

594
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: No, no, And I mean and Gruden makes fun of

595
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: the clap and you know, being in no huddle and everything,

596
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of with him, you know, because guess what,

597
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: you got to adapt our game. But yeah, the parcelanisms

598
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: were always you know that, you know, hey, you want

599
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: to be a three year starter. You know, you want

600
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: to be the captain.

601
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: You know.

602
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I got them all, you know, and you've

603
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: you've heard them all too. And guess what he developed

604
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 2: those because that's what he found were successful. Yep, you know.

605
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: And again it's no different when I was scouting or coaching,

606
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: because when you're coaching, you're going to steal everything that

607
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: you think is really really good, that that fits within

608
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: your system, right, you just stealing. Well, there's no other

609
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: difference in personnel. When you get taught a lesson in personnel,

610
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: learn from it, you know, because mine was mine was

611
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: Vernon Golston right had him as a high pick, right,

612
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: but I kept having angst about him and kept going,

613
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: there's something really bothers me about him, and and I

614
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: won't say this on air or anything like that. But

615
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: then he flames out. Okay, two years later, the same

616
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: player was coming out of college, same angst that I

617
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: had by him, Right, I go, Nope, not gonna fall

618
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: for it this time. Didn't have a high grade on him,

619
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: and he flamed out too. So it's like, you know,

620
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: you just learn different ways. And these quarterbacks, I mean,

621
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: you know, it isn't just the answer put up five

622
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: thousand yards. It's not. And you're in a spread offense.

623
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know some of them are made for that.

624
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: I mean how many I mean, how many quarterbacks are

625
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: thrown from her five thousand yards of Tennessee over the

626
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: last like five years?

627
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Plenty, all of them, all of them.

628
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's a great accomplishment. They're good players. But

629
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: does it take a little time to assimilate to the game. Yes,

630
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: because now you're gonna have to understand protection. You're gonna

631
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: have to change. You know, you have to, iidi the mic,

632
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to You're gonna have to control everything

633
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: in the forty five second period. You know you do

634
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: and you may have to audible, so it is not easy.

635
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: So again, I played a position and I know it's

636
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: not easy.

637
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: No, it's very difficult.

638
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: And the Giants are going through that with Jackson darr

639
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: right coming from No Miss offense where a lot of

640
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: stuff is kind of set up for you, and he's

641
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: starting to figure it out and it's gonna take some.

642
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: Time and then and then they're certainly going to be

643
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: patient with him.

644
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Speaker 1: All right, let's focus in Drew real quick before we

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Speaker 1: really stick out to you that you think is particularly

650
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Speaker 1: strong with this year's draft. I've done some summer scouting Drew,

651
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Speaker 1: and I just think it seems like another big person

652
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Speaker 1: draft to me, where it's you know, if you're looking

653
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Speaker 1: for big guys up front, this is probably gonna be

654
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Speaker 1: pretty good draft for you.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. In the offensive line, I think

656
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: it's a little lower or a little less In the

657
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: defensive line, except for the edge rushers. I think there

658
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: are more edge rushers this year.

659
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: And bigger edge rushers too, right, Like a lot of

660
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Speaker 1: these like two hundred and eighty pound guys like old

661
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Speaker 1: school Bell Belichick edges.

662
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Speaker 2: Yes, So that so I kind of agree and I disagree.

663
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: I think the offense will line is probably about the same,

664
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit stronger at tackle, but maybe a

665
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: little lesser at center. Right. The quarterbacks, I feel good about.

666
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: The running backs. I feel really good about you know,

667
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: actually coach against a lot of these guys. It's just

668
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: like I know them. The receivers are really really heavy,

669
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Speaker 2: like as twos and threes, not in the round two

670
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: and three, but I mean as team's two and three.

671
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: But there's not a lot of ones, you know. The

672
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: safeties are a little light. I think the linebackers are

673
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: always going to be light, and I think they've been

674
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: light for about six or seven years now. And I

675
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: think that's just because seven on seven and spread offenses,

676
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: and guys don't want to play linebacker, you know, they

677
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: want to play tight end, they want to play h back,

678
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: they want to touch the ball or whatever.

679
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: I still think that's one of the most difficult positions

680
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: to scout. Going from college to the pros, you're almost

681
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: ask them to do completely different things the two levels.

682
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: It is because you're not you're not in a space

683
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: game all day long like you're in college, you know,

684
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: and you really have to actually take on blocks, which

685
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: is is kind of a lost art. Corners are good.

686
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Speaker 2: I'll say this then I'm not going to give anything

687
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: away because I'm not going to say his name. But

688
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Speaker 2: there's a safety that I think could be the next

689
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Speaker 2: Dad read.

690
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: I think I know what you're talking about.

691
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: I think you probably. I think you probably do, you know,

692
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: And that's that's pretty high company in my book. So,

693
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: but but the rest of the safety class is a

694
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: little bit a little bit low. So and again I

695
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: think that comes a little bit from the onset of

696
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: all these seven on seven leaks all year long. You know,

697
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: guys want to touch the ball all the time. They

698
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: don't want to they don't want to play safety, they

699
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: don't want to play linebacker. You know, Hey, I'll play

700
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 2: corner because I'm not on an island. But you know,

701
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to find those guys now, it just is,

702
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: and it's and it's getting harder. So you know, again,

703
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: like you said, are there three down linebackers in the NFL?

704
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: Not very many. Are the three down linebackers in college? Yeah,

705
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: there are, because they're undersized and it don't take on

706
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: any blocks, so it's like they're really safeties.

707
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Speaker 1: You know, Drew, why do you think and you know,

708
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: you just kind of mentioned that you didn't think it

709
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: was very you know, heavy interior defensive lineman. I feel

710
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: like last year maybe it was a little bit better,

711
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: but the years prior, they just are not that many

712
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: defensive tackles coming out anymore.

713
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Speaker 3: I feel like it's been a pretty like position.

714
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Why do you think we're having trouble getting that position

715
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: developed at the college level heading into the pros over

716
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the last five six years?

717
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: I think because again I think the balls out too quick.

718
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it, and it's it's a I mean,

719
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: it's a quick offense. It's a you know, some of

720
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: the teams are you know, not even just not even

721
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: just the air rate piece of it, but just the

722
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: hurry up and you know, the tempos. I mean, you

723
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: don't see a lot of guys developing as pass rushers

724
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: because you know, two seconds and balls out out of

725
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 2: somebody's hand. But now if you can find the body types,

726
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to do to at least get

727
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: them here, to show that they can pass r USh,

728
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: show that they can compete against, you know, the bigger

729
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. So I think the body types are out there.

730
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're getting developed because they don't

731
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: get to see five and seven step drops anymore, and

732
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, like like they would in the league, and

733
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to develop that.

734
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Speaker 1: So you guys broke it down one hundred and nine

735
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Speaker 1: players in the SEC, which is by far the most

736
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Speaker 1: of any conference.

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Speaker 3: I guess that should not be a surprise.

738
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Speaker 1: But then the Big Ten at sixty eight ACC at

739
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Speaker 1: fifty three, I was surprised that those two were so close.

740
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Speaker 1: I thought the Big Ten might be a little bit

741
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Speaker 1: have a bit little bit more of a spread above

742
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Speaker 1: the ACC.

743
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that. I think that you got to

744
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: look into the attrition at the classes too, because you know,

745
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: Indiana lost a lot of players, Michigan lost a lot

746
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: of players, Ohio State lost a lot of players, you know,

747
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: and they might have filled those spots with transfer portal

748
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: guys that normally used to be the guys that stick

749
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: around and stay within system and development, because it used

750
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: to be where you kind of counted on your twenty

751
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: five coming in signing twenty five. By the end of it,

752
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: you were lucky to have fifteen by just pure atrician injury,

753
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, academics, you know, guys that couldn't play, you

754
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: know once you miss. Now it's down to about nine

755
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 2: nine players out of your twenty five recruiting class, right,

756
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: So where are those other kids coming from? Well, they

757
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: may not be coming from the same class because you

758
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: bringing them the transfer portal. They may be one year guys,

759
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: two your guys, three year guys. So, like I said,

760
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: that may be a little bit of a misnomer because

761
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: that's just the Big ten. This year. I think the

762
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Big ten was higher, a lot higher than that last year.

763
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you know, Hoiwo State probably had eight

764
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: eight guys on the list if or eight or nine

765
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: on the list last year if we'd have been doing it.

766
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: So I agree, the SEC has always been this way

767
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: and I think it always will be, just because the

768
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: population changes, and you know, because industry is less the

769
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: Midwest and the Northeast, you know, so you know, where

770
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: are you pulling from? Well, Big ten's trying to pull

771
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: from Florida. They're trying to pull from Texas now, I mean,

772
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, so the whole country and the population dynamics changed.

773
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: I think that has a little bit to do with

774
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: it too, you know, because put this way, I don't

775
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: know if you remember, but Illinois Parochial League in Chicago

776
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: used to be big time, I mean big time, and

777
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: now it's just pretty pedestrian, to be honest with you,

778
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: you know, because people have just moved out of there.

779
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: They just moved. So you know, again, I kind of

780
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: went a little too far on that one.

781
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's California, Texas, Florida, Georgia. Right, it's pretty much

782
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: where your point all your players from.

783
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Alabama too, Now, Alabama's got a lot too.

784
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, final question here, and I'll bring

785
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: it back to the schools that have represented you on

786
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: your list. LSU led they were with fourteen stuff players,

787
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: Alabama had thirteen or miss ten all SEC programs. Penn

788
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: State again, they kind of ranked as the favorites in

789
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: the Big Ten and they were the first Big Ten

790
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: team with ten Oklahoma of the Big well, actually they're

791
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: they're actually see now too right a Cole Home.

792
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: I I can't keep those teams in these conferences straight.

793
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: They're moving around everyone. So any teams in college football

794
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: this year that you're really particularly excited to keep an

795
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: eye on, just that that that you're like, all right,

796
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: this team I think can really makes some noise with

797
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: the expanded playoffs, that that that that you're kind of

798
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: pumped up to watch.

799
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna be a homer a little bit, right,

800
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: I am, you know, because I lived there for seven years.

801
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: But you're catching this one.

802
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh hook them horns, hook them. Yeah.

803
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna be I think they're gonna

804
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 2: put this way. I think that Ohio State game will

805
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: be probably one of the best games all year. Yeah,

806
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: I really do. I think they're built. I think they're

807
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: built the right way, you know, And I am kind

808
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: of home earn them a little bit. But you know,

809
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: love what Sark's done, Love what you know Brandon Harris

810
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: has done. They've done a really really good job of

811
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, not making just that roster's you know, one deep,

812
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: but they're two and three deep in certain places. You know.

813
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: I think George is going to come back, you know,

814
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: on a rampage too, I really do. And don't be

815
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 2: surprised now if if Alabama maybe maybe have the best

816
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: defense in the country.

817
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, I think Clemson is going to

818
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: be right there too with their defense. They have so

819
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: many don't just on that defense, my goodness.

820
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't disagree with you. Like I said, there's probably

821
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: about probably again twelve to thirteen teams that I think,

822
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, have a legitimate chance, you know. And again

823
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the talent level. And it goes

824
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: back to this too. And I'll say this to you

825
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: because Penn State, Penn State has done a really good job.

826
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: James has done a really good job of retaining his

827
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: roster and that's hard, and he's really filled his spots,

828
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: like with AJ Harris playing a corner of getting him.

829
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a great getting transfer portal. But

830
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: when I was and again when I was a GM,

831
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: I did a too deep and I evaluated, you know,

832
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: the opponent's two deeps and I did a single line,

833
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: did a grade right, And in the Big twelve, as

834
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: forty four players, you probably had around eight dudes. Right

835
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: that you went, these guys are legitimate NFL guys, right,

836
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: And then you do I did Penn State for two years.

837
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: We've played in for two years at West Virginia and

838
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: out of there, you know, out of there too deep.

839
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: I was going like, okay, there's about seventeen players on here.

840
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: They play in the NFL. Right, That's that's when it's different.

841
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: When you get to that seventeen to fifteen guys their

842
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: NFL guys. You should be competing for a playoff spot.

843
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: You should.

844
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: No, Absolutely, Drew, I'm going to give you the floor.

845
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: People think of the Senior Bowl as a game, but

846
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: it is now a three hundred and sixty five d

847
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: eight year enterprise.

848
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: You guys have a lot going on.

849
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: Feel free to promote anything you want with your game,

850
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: social media, anything you guys have going on.

851
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: Let the folks know what's going on with the Panini

852
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl.

853
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, please follow us at the you know, Panina Senior Bowl.

854
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: And mine is guys, I'm trying to remember mine because

855
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I just started it. I never had I never had

856
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: an X account ever before I came to this job.

857
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: Ever, small man, I envy you, Drew. I wish I

858
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: did not have one either.

859
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: It's d fabe SB okay that's my tag or whatever.

860
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: You want to call it. But again, this this, this

861
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: community has embraced this game like nobody else. And which

862
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: All Star game sells out other than this one, not

863
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: a one, right, I mean, this has been here for

864
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: a long long time and there's a reason why you know,

865
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: this place embraces it. And you know, we have social initiatives,

866
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, with with the high school leadership pieces. We

867
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: give donations you know, to each high school, like five

868
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: thousand piece for all their you know, uniform needs. You know,

869
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: we do charitable you know, work within the city because

870
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: this is seniable charities is really a nonprofit. But the

871
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: game is an event I've never been. I'm looking forward

872
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: to this because we always used to leave on a

873
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: Thursday because we always.

874
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Came here on Thursday night or Friday morning on the plane.

875
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: You're out of that, right, Yeah.

876
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: But everybody the state has raved about it because there's

877
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: a parade for the players and Marty Groft parade for

878
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: them on a Friday night, right, and then there's a

879
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: free concert in Cathedral Square right after that, and then

880
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: they say the game's in event. They say it's not

881
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: just about just the players, but it's city wide. And again,

882
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: how many All Star games sell out. I keep saying

883
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: that they don't. I mean, most All Star games can't

884
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: even stay in one city for very long because they

885
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: find out that they don't support it and that they

886
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: don't come. So what I could tell you is, if

887
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: you want to watch the best against the best, and

888
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: you want to see a lot of draftable players in

889
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: one place at one time, right you come to the game,

890
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: you ding sure watch it on TV, and you don't

891
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: sure watch the practices because we got two networks to

892
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: carry the practices. That shows you how important it is

893
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: now one network, two networks. So again I don't have

894
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: to sell this because again I'm going to use the

895
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: John Gruden line that he through out of this Hall

896
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: of Fame induction. This is where players come to play,

897
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, bottom line, and again, if you want to

898
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: see the best, you come down here. So that's all

899
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: I got to say. I don't have to say much.

900
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Hey look, and you're absolutely right. Look, we've we have

901
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: owned draft podcasts. You're at the Giants that that's what

902
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. I love the draft process. I've

903
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: become obsessed with it. I've probably been to the Senior

904
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: Bowl now eight or nine years and I love the

905
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. It's great, but you don't learn half as

906
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: much about these players at that event as you do

907
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl because you can actually, you know,

908
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: see them play football, which is kind of important when

909
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: you're evaluating players, and you know, you can get on

910
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: the field, you see them up post, you could talk

911
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: to them. It is it is great and I cannot

912
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: tell people what a great experience is to kind of

913
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: see these guys close up because it's really your last

914
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: time to see them before they become pros. And it's

915
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: it's a great event.

916
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: And what about it? What about the city, John, I mean,

917
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about the city because I was

918
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: so busy.

919
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: Oh the seafood, Oh my god.

920
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you can walk. I've been probably and

921
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: again I'm a I've been to probably half of the

922
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: places that I should be here and two of my

923
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: top ten of all time. And I traveled the entire

924
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: country and I'm going like, ookay, I didn't even know

925
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: about this because I was so busy. There was practice

926
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: and there was interviews and all that. But you know,

927
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: if you're coming, I mean, you know, just come for

928
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: the game. I mean you ought to just visit Mobile

929
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: because it's a heck of a place to be. It's

930
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: it's like a it's a kind of New Orleans flavor

931
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: to it, doesn't it.

932
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh, it absolutely does well. It is the originata of

933
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: Mardi Gras. Right, Yeah, so absolutely one hundred percent. That

934
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: was Draft Season, presented by Moodies at Prop Partner The Giants,

935
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Decode Risk, Unlock Opportunity. Learn more of Moodies dot Com. Drew,

936
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: it was really good getting to know you. I can't

937
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: wait to interact more. Talk to you later in the year,

938
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: see you down at the Senior Bowl. Best of luck

939
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: this year. Thank you so much for the time, and

940
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: enjoy what's going to be a really funny cat at

941
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: college football season.

942
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really will be. Thank you John for having me.

943
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

944
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us in the Hackensack Marine Hell podcast.

945
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: You will keep getting better. For Drew, I'm smelk. We'll

946
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: see you next time. Everybody