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Speaker 2: And with the fourteenth pick in the nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 2: NBA draft, Rory.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was not born yet.

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Speaker 3: The position of the.

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Speaker 2: Point guard for me, well, yeah, you weren't born yet,

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Speaker 2: but the point guard position for me changed forever when

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Speaker 2: I saw this guy play. Today we are joined by

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite players ever. Legendary point guard changed

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Speaker 2: the landscape of what the point guard position looked like

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: In the NBA.

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Speaker 2: One of the greatest handles we talked by handles, crossover.

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Speaker 2: You can't have that conversation without this gentleman. Here today

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Speaker 2: we are joined by the legendary Tim Hardaway Senior.

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Speaker 3: Put Senior on the end of that thing.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, sir, I'm great, man, How you all doing.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on man. You know, yes, put

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Speaker 4: senior on that because I got junior playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, jor Junior looking good.

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Speaker 2: You know you're Junior's player. He's looking good. But this

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Speaker 2: is for me personally, Tim. This is a special day because,

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Speaker 2: like I said, growing up watching you play, uh, you

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Speaker 2: know what you did for basketball players here in New

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Speaker 2: York City in the playgrounds, you know, just seeing somebody

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Speaker 2: reminded us of the type of stat that we saw

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to have you here today talking with us.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you, thank you. Know, I grew up in

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Speaker 4: New York in Chicago is is quite similar. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A lot of guard players, yep, a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of guard play, getting to the rim, knowing how to

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Speaker 4: lot of shaking and bacon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, you had to learn, and you had to know

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Speaker 4: how to play defense too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and depending on what Parky was at Tim. As

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Speaker 4: You know what, back when we was growing up, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. We we knew

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Speaker 4: all the all the game bangers. Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 4: it wasn't no you know, nobody, no fights, no brawls,

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Speaker 4: nothing like that. Yeah, we had the older guys there,

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Speaker 4: older guys you know, really took care of the young guys,

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Speaker 4: took care of the park, make sure the park was safe. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: sure it was safe. Haven made sure you know, everybody

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Speaker 2: How was the culture difference going from Carver High School

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Speaker 3: So what was the culture difference like.

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Speaker 2: Going from uh, the inner cities of Chicago to Texas El.

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Speaker 4: So great people, great city, a well kept secret that

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just a great city. They move at

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Speaker 4: You know, y'all you all probably get the music first,

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Speaker 4: You know, three months four months later, you know that

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Speaker 4: I had a great time there. But you know basketball

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Speaker 3: And Willie Wordsley coached me in high school in New York.

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Speaker 4: through the trenches. You had to wait your turn and

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Speaker 4: pay your dues and That's what I did, and that's

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Speaker 4: why I tell kids today. You know, everybody want to

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Speaker 4: You know, I tell patience is a virtue, right patients,

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Speaker 4: to go to the G League. You won't have to

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Speaker 4: go there and learn and they teach you and they

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Speaker 4: do this with you, and they do that with you.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to come in and play right away, which

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Speaker 2: What was it like, uh in the eighties the music

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Speaker 2: artists that some of the artists that you remember listening

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Speaker 4: You know, uh you know uh uh were a big

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Speaker 4: step stepping uh city, Yeah, you know we step how

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Speaker 4: big house music is one of my man. You know,

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Speaker 4: how we call house heads. You know, go to house

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Speaker 4: and and put you in that mood to go out

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Speaker 5: Can you explain to people the difference that Chicago house

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Speaker 4: You know, our house music is it's real, uh you know,

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Speaker 4: hard not hard hardcore, but we get hardcore, but it's mellow.

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Speaker 4: You know, you feel the you feel the music, You

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Speaker 4: know a lot of and if you really really really

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Speaker 4: listen to house music, it's really talking about God. If

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Speaker 4: And you know that that if you really listen to it,

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Speaker 4: And it's a lot of music out there that that that.

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Speaker 4: house music. But the most house music is you know,

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Speaker 4: this is acid. Let no man put you put you

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Speaker 4: those type of house music and it's just Man. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when you were coming up obviously Chicago

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Speaker 4: Correat.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember who were like some of the first

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Speaker 1: No idea, No Idea was rapping back then.

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Speaker 4: You know those guys. I did a video with them.

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Speaker 4: which was bad? So?

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Speaker 1: Which which video were you in?

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Speaker 4: Which one? We had all the cars out there, I

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Speaker 4: forget which one? I was in. Man, I'm fifty eight

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Speaker 2: That was like, Yeah, speaking of speaking of that, you

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Speaker 2: the culture of the Golden State Warriors with you, Mitch Richmond,

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Speaker 2: Monica run TMC, which is a player on Run DMC. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: what was that like in that moment for you and

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Speaker 4: Man, it was special and we only we was together

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Speaker 4: for two years. Yeah, those two years was very special.

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Speaker 4: And the culture of us and people still recognize us

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Speaker 4: and broke a lot of people joy. We you know,

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Speaker 4: people stayed up to watch us at Tempter eleven o'clock

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Speaker 4: a man, I mean, you know, if we was together,

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Speaker 4: you know for a long period of time, we could

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Speaker 2: In the Bay Area Highie is there is there sound?

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Speaker 3: Type of party.

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Speaker 4: The club hamma e forty uh uh uh three five seven,

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Speaker 5: I've heard some wild stories about mc hammer that we

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Speaker 1: He was one of the sari people.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't It wasn't just pop music with Hammer. It

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Speaker 4: Well. I didn't know and want to know, but I'm

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Speaker 3: From Chicago. Yeah, you can spotted you.

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Speaker 4: When you the first thing when you come, you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh well okay wow in the nineties saying that that's big.

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Speaker 4: And that's for real. I've never been in the club

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Speaker 5: Was was masterp making any noise at that point because

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Speaker 4: But I mean, but he was in and out of places,

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Speaker 4: Nothing bothers them. You know, they they cut go out

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people tim they don't you know,

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Speaker 2: And people don't know exactly how much of a great

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Speaker 4: All the time, all the time. I do not let

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Speaker 4: Chris Mallin not missed for two and a half hours

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Speaker 4: Know I didn't seen him make You know, if you

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Speaker 4: if you, that means if you don't miss for two

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Speaker 4: his name, uh, Pearl Earl Washington, I mean Pearl Washington

435
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: and those guys I mean, yeah, you know, I mean,

436
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 4: come on, man, come on man. I mean he went

437
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: against some tough guys. Yeah, and he was a three

438
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: time uh uh you know, Player of the Year of there.

439
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: So you know that that says enough for himself right there.

440
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: Well, you have no idea what he did for New

441
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: York whites, like the confidence he gave us anything possible.

442
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: Chris Mullin was a He was a He was a

443
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: hell of a player.

444
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 4: Slow. He was slow, man. Yeah.

445
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: Get to a spot though, get to a spot.

446
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 4: Yeah. People tried to speed him up, and I just

447
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 4: passed on the ball, and I'm just laughing. I'm like,

448
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: what they say, what are you laughing about? I'm saying, y'all,

449
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: y'all just yeah, I mean, y'all trying to speed him up,

450
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: y'all knocking to beat them up. That's the way he plays.

451
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: Play at his own beat. He gonna shoot at his

452
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: own beat. And he was just averaging twenty five a game.

453
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Did he ever take you through Bay Ridge or through

454
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: Brooklyn at all?

455
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course. And I was just amazed

456
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 4: of how, you know, people running outside and bound down

457
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: to him. I was I wasn't really looking, you know,

458
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 4: around and looking at you know the sights. I'm we

459
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: walking down the street and people are running out of

460
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: their apartments or whatever, and and and establishments and bound

461
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 4: down to them like, yo, if you want to come

462
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 4: in and eat, it's on me, you know. I'm like,

463
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, I see I heard about this,

464
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 4: but yeah, got here.

465
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: Legendary for sure.

466
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: A lot of people like to talk about, you know,

467
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: obviously your time in Golden State, but as a New Yorker,

468
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: your time with the Miami Heat. I gotta I gotta

469
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: be honest, Tim, you broke a lot of hearts in

470
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: the city with you and the LINESO morning, and you know,

471
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: the guys down in Miami what y'all did to the

472
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: Knicks every year was just absolutely disrespectful. But I think

473
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: you know that part of your career with the Heat.

474
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people don't talk about

475
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: enough what you did in your time with Miami. How

476
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: was it going from the Bay to Miami and building

477
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: what y'all built down there with the heat?

478
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: We built that with pure heat culture, you know, just

479
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 4: having heat culture in your blood, having heat culture in

480
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: your in your veins and your heart, and understanding this

481
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: is the way it's going to be This is how

482
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 4: we're going to play. This is how we want to play,

483
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: This is how we're going to be prepared. This is

484
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: how a mindset is. And if you want to be

485
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: the best, you got to go out there and prove

486
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: it each and every night. And you got to beat

487
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 4: the best. And you know, you never could beat Chicago

488
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: Bulls because of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and those guys. Uh,

489
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, uh we had you know, it was rough

490
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 4: basketball games with the New York Knicks, but loved it.

491
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: Loved it.

492
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: We changed we didn't love it. But you know, you

493
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 4: gotta understand, y'all got the best of us, you know,

494
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 4: the last you know, those three years y'all with the

495
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 4: Allen Houston shot, with a couple of other plays that

496
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: y'all made. Uh, in the in the playoffs, y'all got

497
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: the best of us. We was number one. CEE y'all

498
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: was number one eight ce y'all wasn't supposed to be

499
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: in the playoffs then, but y'all somehow got in the playoffs.

500
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: It was good for TV. We got to take that right,

501
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: you know. But those good battles, one change them for

502
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: the world, you know, playing against some you know Spree well, Islan,

503
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: our stars are Oakley, my man, Old and Patrick and

504
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: those guys. You know, I wouldn't change that for the world. Man,

505
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 4: it was great for basketball fans around the world. Uh,

506
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: but you know, we had a job to do. Both

507
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: teams had a job to do. Sometimes we won. Sometimes

508
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 4: they want but y'all won in the crucial stages of

509
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: the playoffs and y'all went forward. We didn't so but uh,

510
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 4: like I said, I wasn't changing for the world. And

511
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 4: it's all about he culture. He culture. Like I said,

512
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: you got to come in. You gotta be ready. You

513
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: got to be ready. Your mind has to be ready.

514
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: You know, you got to put all the other bs

515
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: out your mind. You got to you got to come

516
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: in and know what this is about. It's only about winning.

517
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: It's only about winning. And it's about pat Rowley's mindset.

518
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: If you don't have pat Rowley's mindset, you shouldn't be

519
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: on that team. You should you you shouldn't be playing

520
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: on the Miami Miami Heat team. If you don't like it,

521
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: you know that maybe that team isn't for you. But

522
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: we we went there and we we understand. We understood. Uh,

523
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: you know everything that came with it, and we didn't.

524
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: We didn't. We didn't bitch, we didn't moan, we didn't grown.

525
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 4: We went out there and we did what we were

526
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: supposed to do and have fun doing it.

527
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: What was the energy like in the garden during those days?

528
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: Oh wow? You know the reason why the energy was

529
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: was crazy is because of pat Rally. He left, how

530
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: he left, how he faxed them, you know, a little

531
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: shit of paper.

532
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm gone.

533
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: But they didn't understand what he wanted to do and

534
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: how he wanted to do it. And now they do

535
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: and they're they're lost. Their bad but uh uh, I mean,

536
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: he has a system. He doesn't deviate. He always came

537
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: cool and collective. Uh he's steady. He's always prepared, you know.

538
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: And that's the way he is, and that's the way

539
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: his teams are. And I liked it. I love being

540
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: around him. I love I love the atmosphere. And you know,

541
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: just when I first got there, we played against the Knicks.

542
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: We were sitting New York. They said, Hey, this is

543
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: gonna be the craziest stuff that you ever see. They

544
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 4: really really really hate us, they really hate us. I'm like, okay,

545
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean I mean, it can't be that much hate.

546
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: It it was Yall and Reggie.

547
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Wow.

548
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow.

549
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't felt that much hate since uh,

550
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: probably playing in the city of Chicago when I was

551
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: like in you know, a freshman, sophomore, junior in high school.

552
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: It was I mean like, it was bad man. It

553
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: was bad, but you but you know what, Chicago prepared

554
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: me for those type of situations. So when I went

555
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: out there, it didn't phase me. But it was bad man.

556
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 4: It was bad and you and you came to understand

557
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: and out there and just play. That was it. That

558
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: was all go out there and shut them up. That's

559
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: what we did.

560
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: You had probably I would say top five most iconic

561
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: basketball shoe in the history with the air Raid. What

562
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: did it do for you as far as like your

563
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: star power after that sneaker dropped because at that point,

564
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: I think you were on every one of my homeboys walls.

565
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: We had all had your posters and the lockers in

566
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: our high school, in our middle school. The air Raids

567
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: is one of the most iconic shoe in history. What

568
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: did that do for you on a personal level as

569
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: far as your celebrity after that?

570
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: But you know, if you don't do nothing on a

571
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: basketball court. The shoot don't mean nothing. That's but you know,

572
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: you still got to go out there and perform. You

573
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: still got to go out there and show them why

574
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: that shoe is out and why that is your shoe,

575
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 4: and why you want them to wear your shoe and

576
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: buy your shoe. But if you don't, if you don't

577
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: go out there and perform, they like, you know, you're

578
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: another bus. Yes, so I think, you know, I just

579
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: went out there and played the way I supposed to

580
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: play with a lot of confidence, and went out there

581
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: and and and put my team in a position to

582
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: win each and every night. And I just had a

583
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: move that get me to to kill a crossover there

584
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: to get me right to the lane and make a

585
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: play for my team. And it was exciting, and you know,

586
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: and I had just an exciting uh era about myself

587
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: that you know, I talked some stuff. You know, I mean,

588
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: you'll fail you yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, come from Chicago,

589
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: you know I get it. But you know I talked

590
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff, you know it. And and that's

591
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: what you had to do when I when I walked

592
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: in the gym, I wanted you to see that look

593
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: I'm here to to fuck you up, and that was

594
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: my intentions. I'm looking right at you. It's gonna be

595
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: a rough night.

596
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what.

597
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: That's when I walked into the gym, that's what I

598
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: wanted my persona to be. And you know, uh, that's

599
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: that's how I wanted Jims you to be. When you

600
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: saw somebody with that gym shoe on, yeah, oh he

601
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: come to give it to you? Yes?

602
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the air raids. I gotta be honest, we

603
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: all wore them. But I never could get that two

604
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: steps to UTEP.

605
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

606
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't get to it. It wasn't the sneakers didn't work, man,

607
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't.

608
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I could definitely was the shoe the shoes.

609
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. When you were to

610
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: Ed Jordan, you wanted to fly like him?

611
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, But that wasn't that that that wasn't happening.

612
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't happening. It was more believable. For it was

613
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: more of a thing like we felt like we could

614
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: do the UTAP two step, but it was like every

615
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: time I try to in and out, Nigga picked that

616
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: ship off, go the other way.

617
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 5: I'm like you should say it ain't working, Tim, Tim,

618
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 5: I was just happy when I could touch the nut.

619
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't worth I mean, you know, and.

620
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: You know people, this is not a knock on Irison.

621
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: And what Iverson said talking about practice, talking about practice,

622
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: and I still don't know what they was talking about.

623
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: When he was talking about practice. I was in I

624
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: was in the uh uh, Jamaica, somewhere on gold and

625
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: I and we when we was eating and we was

626
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: watching him do this press coms. He was talking about

627
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: practice and I was like, Okay, they must have said

628
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: something upset and or something because we didn't catch the

629
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: first part. This is knock on. This is not a

630
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: knock on Alan Irison. I just love to dribble the basketball.

631
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: I just love practicing on my game. I just love

632
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 4: so when I went out there, I just I knew

633
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 4: that nobody could steal a basketball away from me. Yeah

634
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 4: that that my handles was that tight. If I wanted

635
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: to do an in and out move behind the back

636
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: and then in and out moved with the left hand

637
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: and go scoop it up with the left hand, I

638
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: could do that because I practice on it, you know,

639
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 4: So I practiced on just dribbling and going out there

640
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 4: and making my game perfect. So when I when I'm

641
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: out there, you know, I wasn't scared. I wasn't. I

642
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: wasn't like in awe, nothing I can come back at you. Right.

643
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: Ninety six ninety seven the heat you had sixty sixty

644
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: one wins. I think you hit over two hundred three

645
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: pointers that year, probably one of your best year statistically.

646
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: What was the A lot of classic albums came out

647
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: a year we had jay Z, Reasonable Doubt, Tupac dropped

648
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: that year, Biggie Life After Death, eight Aliens, Aliens Outcast.

649
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: What was some of the music that you can remember

650
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: listening to before the games during that during that run

651
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: with that year with Miami.

652
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: Tupot, jay Z, of course, Biggie, Uh, who else was it? Uh?

653
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: You know, and I still listened to Eric being Rock,

654
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: Kim l L kul Cha. You know we still back then.

655
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: You know, you still had tapes. Yeah, yeah, you know

656
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 4: they was coming out with CDs, but you still had tapes. Yeah,

657
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: And so you know, you you had a variety of

658
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: with different songs on it, different albums on it, and

659
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: you know, but but going to the games, it was

660
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: it was mainly house music. House music, and my son

661
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: was in the car and he could contest to that.

662
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: And he said, hey, Dad, everybody talking about this crossover.

663
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: This crossover, you know, he said, I know you'd like

664
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: to listen to your music, but can you, you know,

665
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: tell me what's the crossover. Turned the music down. I said,

666
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: you you never seen a crossold He said no. I said,

667
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: because you're in the back there playing the tendo, right around,

668
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: eating food and hanging out with the kids. I said,

669
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: you need, you need use the bathroom before the game,

670
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 4: then your seat. I don't know when it's gonna happen,

671
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: but it will happen in the course of the game.

672
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: And I turned my music back up after I got

673
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: to talk to and he said, okay, so and then

674
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: so it was ironic. First the second player the game,

675
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: I got to steal and I'm thinking, I hope he's

676
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: in his seat right I hope. I'm hoping he's in

677
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: his seat right now. And I crossed Chris Childs over

678
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: and I went to the hole and laid it up

679
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 4: and I just glimpsed out the corner of my eye

680
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: pointed at him and he jumped up. He pointed at me.

681
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, cool.

682
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: He saw it.

683
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he saw it. After the game. He's like,

684
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: I know what it is now. I said, okay, cool,

685
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 4: But uh, you know that that that was a big

686
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: moment right there for me in that car when he

687
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: asked me that, and I'm like, you don't know, yeah.

688
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: You know, and he know now he know, now he know?

689
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: Now you know? And I you know, I think my

690
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 4: kids are finally finally realizing, you know, what I did

691
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: and how I did and what type of play I was,

692
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 4: and they finally realizing like, damn, dad, you he was

693
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: kind of nice.

694
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 3: Ain't you was the real deal?

695
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Speaking of crossovers, who are some of the players today

696
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: that you absolutely enjoy watching just by the way, you know,

697
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: just to handle the ball and you know, uh dribbling

698
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: and crossover.

699
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: Who is some of your favorite players to watch?

700
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: Uh? You know, you know, I want to say, you know,

701
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to see that. Kyrie heard itself last yeah,

702
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: with the A c L And that was tough to see.

703
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: And I know how much he put into this game

704
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 4: and how much he loved this game, and to see

705
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: him go down like that, that that's that's tough for everybody.

706
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: And so but no, Carrie Irving, no questions, James Harden,

707
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: no question Uh. You know, I'm going to even tell

708
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: you some other guys that have it. You know, Tatum

709
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 4: from Boston, he got a nice crossover. Of course, Steph Curry,

710
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: he got all types of ship, he got all the

711
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: type of stuff you know. But even you know, even

712
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray he got handles man. Jamal Crawford, Uh uh,

713
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: you know, but he talking.

714
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: About right now, right now today.

715
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jamal Crawford, he did get you up out out

716
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: of your chair.

717
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

718
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I've been watching too a lot

719
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: of him lately. Darius Garland, I wasn't as familiar with

720
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: his cross and I've been watching like a lot of

721
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: the Cavs games this year. I'm like, okay, like he

722
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: he has that, he has that that that package with him.

723
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he crossed somebody over when he was here and

724
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: I was watching him play and against Detroit Pissons, and

725
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: he looked over at me, He's like yeah. I was like, yeah, okay,

726
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 4: you know what I played with his dad, Winston Garland

727
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: Ate my first year doing very well.

728
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 5: Speaking of other Chicago legends and Miami Heat legends, what

729
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 5: did you think of Dwayne Wade's statue.

730
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: Outside of the arena.

731
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: He got a statue.

732
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's his jersey for sure.

733
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: It says his name. I'm going up there in a

734
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 4: couple of weeks and I'm gonna take a picture. You

735
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: have to me, I'm gonna hugg it, hugg have him

736
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: take a picture of me and put on my Instagram. Yeah,

737
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: I'm here and congratulations in the same way, you know.

738
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 4: I mean, have we really ever seen Michael Jordan's face

739
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: on his.

740
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: A's A side profile. I guess I've never really no.

741
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: I mean I've never seen it. I've never been to

742
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: the to the to the arena and seen it up close.

743
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: But I could probably guess that that went up in

744
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: the nineties. I could probably guess it don't really look

745
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: like Mike Like.

746
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know what what statue really really like?

747
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: Get you? You know what I'm saying. I don't know.

748
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, I mean people talk

749
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 4: about it. I talk about, Hey, this man got a

750
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: statue outside. I want to say he did work. He

751
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: did work to get that statue. He won championships. Uh,

752
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 4: he played with the best, he played against the best,

753
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: and he busts. The best is ass. So I'm just

754
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: happy that he has a statue. I mean, I I

755
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: don't care what it looked like. I mean, he is

756
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade's statue. That's all. That's all. That's all that matters.

757
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Who is on Tim Hardaway's personal top five NBA players

758
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: of all time?

759
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: Top five? You know, I, of course Magic, Michael Ah,

760
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas. You know I always always change it up.

761
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: You know, you got Larry Bird, you got Big Game James,

762
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: you got Tim Duncan, got ha Keem Olaijahwan, you got

763
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 4: the Big Jabba. Always put Kareem up there. Always put Kareem.

764
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: He dominated every level of basketball.

765
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, gotta put Kareem up there. And you know,

766
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I sometimes I say Larry Bird,

767
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: sometimes I say, uh A Big Game James, but I

768
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: take Tim Duncan.

769
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I put.

770
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: I've been tweeting probably for the last two years, and

771
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: I get killed every time I tweet it. But I

772
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: think now more and more people are starting to agree

773
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: with me. I have Steph Curry in my personal top

774
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: five players of all time. I don't think that I've

775
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: seen five players impact change, dominate the game from his stature,

776
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: not being a big guy, being a small guard. I

777
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: don't think I've seen five players play basketball better than

778
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: Steph Curry.

779
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: I can't agree with that. Yeah, I can't agree with that,

780
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: no question, I can't agree with that.

781
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: I just thought that watching the you know, the Olympics

782
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: last year. One of the last shots that he took

783
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: when he was double teamed over Batum and the other

784
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: player when they freeze frame before the shot he takes

785
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: wide open on the wing. You have the all time

786
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: Olympic basketball leading scorer and the all time NBA leading

787
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: scorer wide open, and none of them were upset that

788
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: he took that shot.

789
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: No, that's just crazy to me.

790
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I mean Steph Curry, he has done

791
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: it before, and they know what he could do when

792
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: he gets really, really, really really hot. That's what he

793
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: was really really really hot, and you know what, they

794
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: was all on him. A lot of people was on him,

795
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: Like right before the medal rounds. What's wrong with Steph?

796
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: He got off the gates a little slow.

797
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got out the gates a little slow. You know,

798
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 4: sometimes you deferred to other people that's on the team,

799
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: and when it's your time you know, it's your time.

800
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: He knew at that particular time it was his time.

801
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 4: So he went out there and done what he's supposed

802
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: to do. And they had no problem. Actually they was

803
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 4: waiting on it.

804
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Maul and I have this debate pretty often.

806
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: Do you think the bubble ring has an asterisk next

807
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: to it?

808
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: I think people has put the bubble ring with an

809
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: asterisk on it. But you gotta understand, and they played. Mhm.

810
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: They could have not played, and it could not have

811
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 4: It would not have been that little season, that little

812
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: playoffs and that championship. But as you could tell, Uh,

813
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler, he was out there, he's playing his ass off.

814
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah he was.

815
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 4: I mean the Miami he was playing their butt off.

816
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: And so it was the Lakers and they wanted to win.

817
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: Both teams wanted to win, no matter if it was

818
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: an astridsch or not. But I don't think it should

819
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: have been. But I mean, you know, people say it

820
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 4: should be, but I disagree with him.

821
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Now I gotta go back to your top five because

822
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 2: one name that was missing from.

823
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: A lot of those names.

824
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: You name, I know it is Lebron Yeah, and you

825
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: so you don't feel like me personally, I have him

826
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: in my personal top five.

827
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 4: Maybe sep, I'm saying he's definitely top ten. Okay, Okay,

828
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: he's definitely top ten. And you can I mean people

829
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: gonna have them him in his top five. You know,

830
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: everybody's top five is different. You know, some people not

831
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: gonna have him in his top five. But he's definitely

832
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: top ten.

833
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

834
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: And in NBA history, yeah.

835
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: And that's not a knock if we think about how

836
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: many people played this game, people think that that's a

837
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: knock to say Lebron is top ten. I just think that,

838
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, for me, you know, again, it came up

839
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties. I think it's blasphem when

840
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: people say he's a better player than Michael Jordan.

841
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: Right right. I mean seeing Tim agree is the same thing.

842
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: You know, how many see Michael said I'm gonna win

843
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year or I'm gonna win I'm

844
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 4: gonna be the Steells leader. You know, he did it.

845
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: He went out there and done it. And the trophy show,

846
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: oh dad, and he put his mind to it and

847
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: he went out there and did it. And no, I mean,

848
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: you know, Lebron came in didn't go to didn't go

849
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: to college, played two or three years in college. So

850
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: it's a lot of guys. I mean, Kareem played with

851
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 4: four years in college for yeah, and he's still at

852
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: I mean for like forty years. He was thirty eight

853
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 4: thousand points in the NBA. You know, so with the skyhook.

854
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: So just think if he didn't go to college. Yeah,

855
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 4: you know that would have another four years on. You know,

856
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: we'd be talking about Lebron trying he getting fifty. Yeah,

857
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: he probably passed him now at fifty. Yeah, that's where

858
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: Kareem wil be at. But you know, I mean it's

859
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: a lot of intangibles to that.

860
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: This has been like I feel like over the last

861
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: few years, and I think that's just part of history

862
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: and time going past. There has seemed to be a

863
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: more resurgence of disrespect for the eighties and nineties of

864
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: style of play in basketball. You have a lot of

865
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: current players saying, oh, you know that style was boring

866
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: or a lot of those players wouldn't be able to

867
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: keep up with, you know, the players now. They didn't

868
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: have the moves that the players have now.

869
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: What do you feel about that?

870
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: I feel that young players today don't know the history

871
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: of NBA basketball. They don't know who was Sue you know,

872
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: you know for Edwards, Anthony Edwards to not know who

873
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: his owner is. And Alex Rodriguez, you don't, you don't

874
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: know about sports, you on, you on, you know, Nintendo whatever.

875
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: Everybody know about Alex Rodriguez. Even if you don't know

876
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: about baseball, you know about al Alex. Right like we

877
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: we we I go back downtown. Freddie Brown, Dennis Johnson,

878
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: Gus Williams, Jack Sikma, you know, Elvin Hayes, those guys,

879
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 4: them guys don't even know. Those guys don't They don't

880
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: know the history of basketball on which is which is

881
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 4: unfortunate because we know the history of basketball, like I

882
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: know Archie Clark. When I bring up Archie Clark, people, oh,

883
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: you know Dave being on the history about Dave. See,

884
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: they don't. And when you when you see them and

885
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: when they introduce them to these people, they just be like, hey,

886
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: how you doing right?

887
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: They don't even try to learn think.

888
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: They brain don't learn the game, nothing like that. So

889
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: that I think that's what it's more frustrating than anything else.

890
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: It's not you know, uh that they don't give us homage.

891
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 4: I just think they don't know what we have done

892
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: to pay the way mm to make this you know

893
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 4: what it is today.

894
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked of out of mc hammer in the Bay.

895
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: I don't think we can skip over any of the

896
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: Uncle Luke ears in Miami.

897
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 4: No, not at all. I mean, was that like craze

898
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: craze absolutely bananas.

899
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: Do you have any any Uncle Lop party stories or

900
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 5: anything for those years?

901
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: No, I don't have, of course, I no, I do not,

902
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: but I will tell you this, I heard about them.

903
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: But you know that was that was that Miami hurricane. Yes, yeah,

904
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: you know when they when they was when they was

905
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: bawling because of Bosworth in Oklahoma Miami. My man, my man,

906
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: what's his name? The quarterback for for UH Oklahoma coming

907
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: to a game with with a full mink on stuff

908
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: like that, you know. So that's I mean, that's why

909
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: Luke and them went wild in Miami. It was like

910
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: we the best, and we're gonna do this, and we're

911
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 4: gonna do that. And they they they took on his identity,

912
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: Jimmyjohnson took on his identity. Come to practice, do this,

913
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 4: let's do that, Let's walk around here with with with

914
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: army fatigues on. Yeah, we're gonna here and this is

915
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do. And that's what they told you.

916
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: I mean, why not, you know? And that's why I

917
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: think college football is is why it's big right now.

918
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: It's because of that eraror.

919
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely know, those those teams were crazy, and I mean.

920
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: And it was really you know Uncle Luke, because I mean,

921
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 4: like what he was saying and how he was having

922
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: parties and look, y'all can't get me in telling n

923
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: C doua a. Y'all can't get me. I'm having them

924
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: over here kicking it and y'all can't do and they

925
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: never got it.

926
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: He was the first.

927
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: Yes, Warren Sap had a bens. Tim, how was it

928
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: when when when junior played with the Knicks, Like, how

929
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: how much did it hurt for you to have to

930
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: root for the Knicks at that point or did you

931
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: even root for the Knicks at that time?

932
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: It didn't hurt me at all. Didn't hurt me at all.

933
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a Tim Hardaway junior fan, and whatever

934
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: team he's on, I'm rooting for his team, you know,

935
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: no matter what. So it didn't hurt me at all.

936
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: Everybody thought that I was going to be hurt. Everybody

937
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: thought I didn't like it. It's not me, it's Tim

938
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: Hardaway Junior. It's about him. And you know, my reign

939
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: is over with now, it's time you put your footprints

940
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: down and go forward.

941
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: He got busy. He got busy in New York too.

942
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: He played, He played really well in y.

943
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: Where we're at now with the Knicks.

944
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 5: His years kind of shifted the culture of the Knicks

945
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 5: when he was there. Do you think that trade was

946
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 5: a little premature.

947
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was premature, but you know, look at Luca. Yeah,

948
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: you know, look at that trade. I mean, you know,

949
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: you just got to deal with business is business, and

950
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: you got to go from there and do what you

951
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 4: need to do. So, oh, that's all I can say

952
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: for that, and and that that that's about it. You know,

953
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: it's tough, it's tough, but I mean he has dealt

954
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 4: with it in a professional way. Yeah.

955
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love the way he handled it.

956
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: And then you know, obviously what he was he's done

957
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: in Dallas, still continue to play well. It's been fun

958
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: to watch him because you know, for a while it

959
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: was kind of like, you know, people were like oh,

960
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: he's not as good as dad, and this, that and

961
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: the third gave him all of that. But then he

962
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 2: made his own He created his own play his game,

963
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: played his style, and I think he's been able to

964
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: have a very very successful, successful career in the league.

965
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: So he's he's doing this thing. And it hats off

966
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: to you because obviously you helped mold and prepare him

967
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: for that level and what it takes to be a

968
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: professional athlete and to and to play at the highest

969
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: level of basketball.

970
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: What was your first piece of advice to your son

971
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: when he entered the league?

972
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 4: Have fun, learn, m joy yourself, be prepared, Always be prepared,

973
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 4: lead as an example, and lead when somebody needs to

974
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 4: ask you a question, be able to answer that question.

975
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 4: But have fun, enjoy yourself.

976
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: I hear that, has Junior ever beat you in one

977
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: on one?

978
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: Yes?

979
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: Do you remember the date? Not the date, the day

980
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: happened for the first time.

981
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: I remember how it happened. He crossed me over and

982
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 4: he goes gonna dunk on me and I when I

983
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 4: turned around and I grabbed him out the end, I was.

984
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: Like, we're not doing that.

985
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: And in front of company too, this is the last

986
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: time we're gonna play the last time. We're gonna play

987
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 4: one on one. Now that that that now that's not

988
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: gonna happen.

989
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you was, you were.

990
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: You were actually one of the assistants in Detroit when

991
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: I was there with with Brandon Jennings and we used

992
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: to hang out in Birmingham at the Steakhouse and the

993
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: Cigar Cigar Spot a few times, and me and b Jails, Yeah,

994
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: we Churchills. Me and BJA used to talk about Damn

995
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: tim Is you know, watching his highlights going home on

996
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: YouTube watching you.

997
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: And to see Jr. Playing in Detroit? What is that?

998
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: What does that do for you?

999
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Like you were there coaching as an assistant, and now

1000
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: Junior is there on the floor with Kate kind of

1001
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: him and those guys.

1002
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: I'm just happy, you know. And people thought I was crazy.

1003
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: I said they're gonna win thirty games and they're gonna

1004
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 4: be in the plan. Mm hmm. It's like, now you sure.

1005
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, they're gonna win thirty games, at least thirty games. Yeah,

1006
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: they're gonna be in the playing this year if they

1007
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 4: stay healthy. Yeah, they get they got Beasley, Uh, Tobias

1008
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 4: harris Ky gonna come into his own of course, Ivy,

1009
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 4: he heard itself. Juram, you know, I saw the pieces

1010
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: coming together. I saw the pieces coming together. And the

1011
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 4: people that I was talking to her around here in

1012
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 4: Detroit and Michigan, they thought I was crazy. Nah, I

1013
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: don't see it. I said, just watch and see. You

1014
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: gotta be pitched. Just watch to see. Now they're like,

1015
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 4: how did you know that? I said, you just got

1016
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: to see the confidence in them. Man, how they talk,

1017
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 4: how they act. It was it's a rough start.

1018
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a rough chart start.

1019
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: But you know they understood staying and they got it

1020
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 4: together and they bawling, they playing hard, and they out there.

1021
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: They believe, they believe and what they're doing they believe

1022
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: in and JB biggest staff and the coaching staff, so

1023
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: uh you know, uh kudos Trajan Langdon and understanding what

1024
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: type of pieces you need for them to go forward.

1025
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: And then they got they got the bruise Isaiah Stewart.

1026
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: They got him. He was you need one of those

1027
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: every team, and he fits.

1028
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: And this is so funny having a guy like him

1029
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: in the history of the Detroit Pistons, Like it's just

1030
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: crazy to see that that coach is still in play

1031
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: of just having those guys in the Pistons Jersey that's

1032
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: willing to knock you down, knock blood out your mouth,

1033
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: and go out there and do what it takes to win.

1034
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, I mean just walking around Detroit, you're gonna

1035
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 5: have that mentality.

1036
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: Well, you need that every sense of the word. It's

1037
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: a blue collar.

1038
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: How do you feel about your son's taste the music?

1039
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 4: He has a good taste of music, you know. He

1040
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: when I when I listen to his music, it's not like,

1041
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 4: you know, being somewhere else where you'd be like, no,

1042
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 4: you need to turn this off. You know, he listened

1043
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: to He listened to jazzy old school R and B

1044
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: because you know he was in the car listening to

1045
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: it when we.

1046
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, that's because of you, right right.

1047
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: So, but no, he I think he has him and

1048
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: my daughters have a good taste of music.

1049
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 5: So I'm only thirty four, but I'm I'm turning into

1050
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 5: the get off my lawn guy with these young kids

1051
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: in the music.

1052
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: This shit sucks.

1053
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: I know, we're not allowed to say that this generation

1054
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 5: makes awful fucking.

1055
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm with you.

1056
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I agree.

1057
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Some exceptions, but overall.

1058
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some exceptions. Yeah, I do not listen to, uh,

1059
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 4: what's that the hip hop station? It's got to be

1060
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 4: R and B or school R and B. But I

1061
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: don't listen to uh, the hip hop raph stations anymore

1062
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: because it's I can't even say the words. I can't

1063
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: understand it really, and it's almost like the same words,

1064
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 4: the same beat, the same everything.

1065
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Everybody sounds the same. It's no, it's no more. It's

1066
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: not much originality left in hip hop.

1067
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: Was there anyone in the locker room when you were

1068
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 5: in the league that could actually rap or wanted to rap?

1069
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you didn't tell anyone, kept it private, who

1070
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 5: had some bars?

1071
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: Probably Mitch, Mitch Richmond or Mario Elie okay, and then

1072
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 4: uh Eric Murdoch or in Miami Eric Murdoch or who

1073
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 4: is it m that was? That was?

1074
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: That was?

1075
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean back in the in the nineties, I mean

1076
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: Shaq was really rapping.

1077
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 4: He was really rapping, He was really rapping.

1078
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: He got classic songs actually like classic records. For sure.

1079
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: That was probably the only one in the NBA that

1080
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 4: that really had ye app album.

1081
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah at that time. Absolutely. Now you got a few

1082
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: more guys in the league that's trying.

1083
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: Dame.

1084
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dame Dame is nice.

1085
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah nice yet?

1086
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Really, uh, were you what did heat when Eddie Jones

1087
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: was there?

1088
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 4: And Eddie Jones came that when I was there?

1089
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: Yes, am I putting this on his jacke. Didn't Eddie

1090
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 5: Jones had to rap at one point? I feel like

1091
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: there was an Eddie Jones mixtape.

1092
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

1093
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember that.

1094
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: He's somebody else.

1095
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're confusing that with somebody else. Eddie Jones

1096
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: did not have a mixer.

1097
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean a rap take great guard. I'm just saying.

1098
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: I mean we talked about I felt like.

1099
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 5: There was an Eddie Jones freestyle or something when because

1100
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 5: when my dad was living down there, that was the

1101
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 5: Eddie Jones years, and I swear I felt like he

1102
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 5: tried to wrap at one point.

1103
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, my bad.

1104
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 4: Stop.

1105
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: Are there any of the younger guys, like the younger

1106
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: rappers that you find yourself like?

1107
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: Okay I like him?

1108
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: No, No, you know, you know I think you know

1109
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 4: who I think is a bad boy, Chris Brown. Oh yeah,

1110
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: he's a bad boy.

1111
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris is a Chris is a superstar icon and

1112
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: every every sense of the word.

1113
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1114
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the verses during the pandemic?

1115
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 4: The verses?

1116
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was some swizzing and Timberland.

1117
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 5: Did they did it on like I G Live and

1118
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 5: everything Tim.

1119
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Some throwback stuff? So and sure, oh.

1120
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: Listening to that ship?

1121
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: No, No, no, not at all.

1122
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: It was funny.

1123
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: I was watching the UH The Last Dance documentary and

1124
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: you're in it UH for the All Star Weekend with

1125
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: Jordan and y'all were talking about Kobe and we had

1126
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: Lexi Brown in early and I was, you know, I

1127
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: was telling her. We were talking about, you know, things

1128
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: he listened to before the game. And it was funny

1129
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: seeing Mike on his way to play Utah in the

1130
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: finals and he had his walking in on the CD

1131
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: player and he jamming the jam and they're like, Mike,

1132
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: what you're listening to? He said, Kenny Latimore? I said, Mike,

1133
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: none of Kenny Latimore music make you do this?

1134
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: Like what?

1135
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: Like I thought I thought he was gonna say some

1136
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: rap Kenny Lattimore. The fact that Michael Jordan's listened to

1137
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: Kenny Lattimore and a complete killer in the finals is

1138
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: crazy to me.

1139
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 4: I can't say this the way they remix it, you know,

1140
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 4: in Chicago, he probably got a remix of it or something.

1141
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: Like youbody had a house version of it, right, something

1142
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: like that, Which was the album like had in that

1143
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: doc before anyone else that was it. I'm saying he

1144
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: had the album tim before it even Yeah, he said

1145
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: Kenny sitting to him directly.

1146
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the house version.

1147
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: It was the raw R and B straight R and

1148
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: B Kenny Lattimore album that Mike was doing all of

1149
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: this ship and I'm like, Mike, none of Kenny music

1150
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: make you do that.

1151
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.

1152
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: You're right about that. I'm trying to, you know, put

1153
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 4: in the version that he was that is true, but

1154
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying to help him out, trying to

1155
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: help him out.

1156
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that All Star That All Star weekend

1157
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: like in New York that year y'all was there, uh,

1158
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: with Kobe and Mike and you and all of those guys.

1159
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 4: Grant Hill great, great great. I was mad because I

1160
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 4: was like, who the fuck sat me by Michael George?

1161
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: Why did y'all do something dumb stuff like that? Yeah,

1162
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: that's just dumb. I'm like I mean, I'm the oldest

1163
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: in here, you know, behind Mike. How come somebody else

1164
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 4: can't be sitting next to Mike? A younger guy I

1165
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: had on there. I had to because he got a

1166
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 4: triple double. I had to go over there and say

1167
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: I had to stop the interview because he got an MVP.

1168
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: I had to stop the interview, and I say, I

1169
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 4: need to give my clothes on Paul's. Mike was like,

1170
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 4: you silly. I was like, I gotta go, man, this

1171
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 4: is gonna take an hour, at least an hour. I

1172
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 4: don't have an hour.

1173
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get out of here.

1174
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: I have to get out of here. So, yeah, that's

1175
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: all I was thinking about. But you know, we chopped

1176
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: it up real nice. And you know, he lived in Chicago,

1177
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: he knew my boys, he hung out with my guys

1178
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: and everything. So we chopped it up and have a

1179
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 4: good We had a really, really good time. But the

1180
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: main thing is we want.

1181
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely for sure, which I mean, I guess gets us

1182
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 5: right to your memoir in the book that you have.

1183
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 5: What was that like reflecting and having to write pretty

1184
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 5: much your entire life from beginning to end.

1185
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: Well, it's called my life from the streets of Chicago

1186
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: to basketball Royal Chief. It's on uh Skyhorse Books and

1187
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 4: it's on pre sale right now. And you know, just writing,

1188
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 4: you know, just write my own memoir about how I

1189
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 4: grew up from you know, as far as I remember,

1190
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 4: from fifth grade, sixth grade, uh, my household, how I

1191
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 4: grew up, the gang, violence, the drugs that was going on,

1192
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, all types of things that was happening in

1193
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: your life. And you know we talk about mental state now. Uh,

1194
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how I got through. You know, you know,

1195
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: we we had to be tough. We had to you know,

1196
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 4: walk around tough. We had to because that was our demeanor.

1197
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: That's the way our parents brought up, brought us up.

1198
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 4: And you know your cousins brought you up there. Well,

1199
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 4: you got to be tough. You can't be crying. You

1200
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 4: got to out then and if somebody gonna fight, you

1201
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 4: gotta be ready to fight them. That's the way we was.

1202
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 4: But you know it was tough, man, It was tough.

1203
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: So me explaining how I grew up and what it

1204
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 4: took for me to you know, get out and and

1205
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: make my own mark and how I did it. You know,

1206
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 4: you I mean, you got to remember a lot of stuff.

1207
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 4: It's got to be a lot of information, and the

1208
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: book has to be entertained and so people can keep reading,

1209
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 4: keep reading. And my man, Jacob, he did a great

1210
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: job and be doing that.

1211
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 5: With some of those memories tough, because I feel like

1212
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff, you know, from our childhood, so

1213
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 5: sometimes will block out. And when you're forced to reflect,

1214
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 5: especially if you're writing a memoir like that, was that

1215
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 5: a weird process to maybe go through some thoughts that

1216
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 5: you hadn't even thought about in thirty years.

1217
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 4: No, I you know, I had an alcoholic Pops and

1218
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 4: he was an abusive person to my mom and to

1219
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: my and to myself. So, uh, you know, I think

1220
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 4: about it a lot all the time, you know. Uh yeah,

1221
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 4: I think about it a lot all the time. And

1222
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking sometimes I think about him like wow,

1223
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, especially like when I'm driving to Chicago. You know,

1224
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 4: you you're thinking about stuff and you just you in

1225
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 4: a daze, but you know, you still driving, You see

1226
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 4: the road, you know, but you you're still just thinking

1227
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: about like you're almost daydreaming about and you reflecting and

1228
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 4: seeing everything that happened in your life back in that

1229
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 4: particular moment as you was growing up and no self.

1230
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 4: But I mean, the best thing happened to me was

1231
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 4: getting out of Chicago, going to l pass So and

1232
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 4: being laid back. It's so late back there. It's not

1233
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 4: fast going like Chicago. It's real laid back back. It's

1234
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 4: real slow and you can really, really really find yourself

1235
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 4: and understand where you need to take yourself to that

1236
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 4: next level. For sure.

1237
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, I feel like we have

1238
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 5: to ask top five basketball players from Chicago. Oh Man,

1239
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 5: oh Man, that's the tough list.

1240
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Cassie Russell, Isaiah Thomas, Mark Guire, marcagu Yeah, yeah,

1241
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: you know myself, Derek Rose, you know. Yeah, I keep going,

1242
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 4: Antoine Walker, I just keep going on and on and on.

1243
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, Tim, we appreciate you taking some time to talk

1244
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 2: to us Man again. You know, one of the most

1245
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: legendary players, one of my favorite players growing up. It

1246
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: was a pleasure in the honored to have you hit

1247
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: with us today. Rory and Maul, we don't know ball,

1248
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: but obviously Tim Hardaway Senor knows a lot about ball.

1249
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: Book available win.

1250
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 5: October November, Okay November pre order right now, pre order right.

1251
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 4: Now from Skyhorse Books. I mean, if Skyhorse book is

1252
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 4: bringing out but Amazon pre order right now from Amazon.

1253
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: Have your team, said Josh over the Lincoln will put

1254
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: it in the YouTube.

1255
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 5: So we'll do that before you leave, though, quickly, can

1256
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 5: you admit that deep Dish is actually lasagna and not pizza?

1257
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 4: Well, I don't eat deep dish.

1258
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: I needed to lie. Huh, neither do. I think it's

1259
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: the worst piece.

1260
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: Of on Earth. It's a lot of people that like

1261
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 4: deep Dish. But I'm from the South Side and real

1262
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 4: pizza people know in Chicago way to get the real pieces.

1263
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 4: It's called Italian Fiesta, okay, where you get the real

1264
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 4: piecea from and I go dead every time I go

1265
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 4: back there, they give it when I walk in and oh,

1266
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 4: how can we younity call it? I said, I did

1267
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 4: call you. I said, y'all need to look on there.

1268
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: They say, here you go. You know it's nothing because

1269
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: Italian Fiesta.

1270
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: We gotta check that out. Italian Fest. Next time we.

1271
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,919
Speaker 4: On seventy first and Jeffrey.

1272
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: Seventy first and Jeffrey, We're gonna check out their slices

1273
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: at We're gonna check it out next time with Chicago

1274
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: Tim Hardaway senior.

1275
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother. We appreciate you and it's been

1276
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 3: a pleasure.

1277
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate you all. Keep up great work and

1278
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: hopefully I'll be on again.

1279
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Let's sure, man, appreciate you.

1280
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1281
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: No