1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: of Famer? 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Tim Kirkshin I'm his son, Jeff Kirkschhen delayed by one 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: day for this release of this episode because last night 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: we got who new Hall of Famers set to be 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: inducted in July in Cooperstown, Dad. Exciting news last night breaking. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: Yes, this is front and center field news because two 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: center fielders are going in, Carlos Beltron and Andrew Jones. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: I voted for both of them. I also voted for 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: Chase Utley. This is my thirty fifth year voting for 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. It's the greatest honor that I 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: have and I love voting for the Hall. It's a 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: very difficult job. However, these two guys who got in 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: deserve to get in. Were you surprised at all, Jeff, 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: from what you saw. 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: No, not surprised at all. 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: Dad. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it the power and the importance 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: of both of these players. 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: They both deserve to be in the Hall. 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: I know, with all due respect that you believe they're 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: in the Hall. 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: You voted for them to. 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 2: Be in the Hall, and I think it's a deserved class. 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an excellent one, well deserved. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: It was really cool watching the announcement from the plack room. 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: They do such a great job there announcing the players, 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: and soon, in just six short months, they will have 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: a plaque hanging in that room forever, right. 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: It's so cool. So Carlos Beltron is one of the 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: greatest postseason players I've ever seen. But Jeff, when you 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: look at fifteen hundred run scored and fifteen hundred harbyis 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: that's a pretty small group. When you look at he's 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: one of five players ever with four hundred homers and 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: three hundred stolen bases. He has the twenty fifth most 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: extra base hits, tied with Cal Ripken exactly with one 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: thousand and seventy eight. He was a great offensive player, 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: and yet he won three goal gloves, He made nine 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: All Star teams, he won the Rookie of the Year, 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: he won the Clemente Award, and he had eight thirty 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: seven ops for his career, which is pretty darn good, 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: especially for a brilliant defensive center fielder. And we don't 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: have that many center fielders in the Hall of Fame. 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: But Jeff, when you look at his ops in the postseason, 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: one point zero two one. It's almost two hundred points 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: higher in the postseason, when the games matter the most. 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: He had sixteen homers, drove in forty two runs in 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: his postseason career. And I'm telling you, Jeff two thousand 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: and four, especially watching Carlos Beltron, and I saw every 50 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: postseason game he played that year, I said to myself, 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: at least quietly, this is what it must have been 52 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: like to watch Mickey Mantle in his prime. The way 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: he hit the ball from both sides of the plate, 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: the defense he played in center field, and the way 55 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: he ran the bases. When he tried to steal a base, 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: he almost always made it. So that's Carlos Beltron for 57 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: you at Jeff, Are you offended at all? I'm just 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: asking that he was part of the signs stealing scandaled 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 3: in Houston in twenty seventeen. People think he was the ringleader, 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: and that kept him from getting even more votes and 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: kept him out of the Hall of Fame until this year. 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: Just wondering you, as a thirty two year old, are 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: you offended by what he did? 64 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: You know, I think, respectfully, the Hall has missed the 65 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: boat at times. You know what happens as a player, 66 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: what happens as a manager. Listen, Like the Pete Rose 67 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: debate will never be the same now that he's passed. 68 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: I definitely think there was a lack thereof punishment for 69 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: that team. I think there should have been more of 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: a punishment. I've said that publicly and I'm not afraid 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: to stand by it. However, I do think Carlos Beltron 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: is a Hall of Famer as a player, and I 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: think he deserves to be in the Hall. I mean 74 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: that wholeheartedly, despite believing that that team and the coaches 75 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: on the team didn't get enough coming their way for 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: what happened with the signs. Stealing trash can scandal if 77 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: you will, but that does not sway me from wanting him. 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: In the Hall of Fame. 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so, Jeff, I have a look. What he did 80 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: was wrong, clearly, and he has been punished for it 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: because it took him this long to get in the 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Those numbers, to me, at least are 83 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Fame numbers. He got to eighty 84 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: four percent this year and he's in. I have a 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: slightly different look at stealing science again, the way they 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: did it. It was illegal, it was wrong, It should 87 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: not have been done. But this thought that and let's 88 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: not be let's not surprise anyone here. When you know 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: fastball or off speed's coming, you know which one that 90 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: is a that's a big advantage. If you know in 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: out way up down, that's a big advantage too. But 92 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: it doesn't guarantee that you know if fastball is coming 93 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: and then you're going to hit, you're going to get 94 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: a hit, or you're going to hit a home run. 95 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way, and I always go back, Jeff. 96 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: This is always troubled me a little bit. Cal Ripken 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: and Tony Gwynn are at least two players, and there 98 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: are many more that told me this that they don't 99 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: want to know what is coming. You know, you can 100 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: have any system you want, and they would say, what 101 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: if you're wrong? You know, I go up there with 102 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: a plan. Both Cal Junior and Tony Gwynn told me, 103 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: I go to the plate with a plan. I don't 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: need anybody getting in the way of what I'm thinking 105 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: about going up there. These are teammates who are trying 106 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 3: to help them, but they say, I don't need any help. 107 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: I've got a plan. Does that make sense to you. 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: I hate to make it into a basketball analogy, but 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: tell me if this is somewhat accurate. 110 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: It's like when you're. 111 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: Going you're driving down the lane and you're expecting contact 112 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: and you don't get it right. 113 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: Or you're driving down the lane on a. 114 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: Fast break and you don't expect contact and you get it. 115 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: Like you're not realizing or you go up for a 117 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: jumper and you realize the guy who's taking a step 118 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: back instead of coming at you. 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: You're now kind. 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: Of in your head about, Oh, that's not what I 121 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: was expecting. 122 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: So I think you're right, Dad. 123 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: I think baseball is hard enough as it is when 124 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: it comes to expecting things going up there with your 125 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 2: own process and your own system of reading the picture 126 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: and how does the ball come off. I think players 127 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: like Tony Gwynn and Cawalpken Jr. Well they didn't need it, 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: But also I understand their regiment is more important than 129 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: anything else. 130 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: Right at Jeff, we have a guy who's part of 131 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: a sign stealing scandal now in the Hall of Fame. 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: Do you think thirty two year old Jeff Kirchen does 133 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: this help Shoeless, Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, guys who bet 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: on the game while they were playing we're managing. Does 135 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: this help their case at all? Or is this not 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: connected at all? 137 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: You know, I think that Pete Rose is going to 138 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame at some point, even 139 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: though people make the argument of he's already in the hall. 140 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: He's all over the Hall of Fame. I mean, he 141 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: has more hits than any other player, so he's in 142 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: there for that. He's in there because of his gambling 143 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: on the game while he was a manager. 144 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: He's in there all over the place. Same with the 145 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: steroid guys. 146 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: And I know you didn't ask about them, but I 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: really think, Dad, Yes, I think this paves a way 148 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: for Pete Rose to posthumously, one of my least favorite words, 149 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: be placed into the Hall of Fame. And same with 150 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: shoelas Joe, also posthumously because he played over one hundred 151 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: years ago. But I do think this paves away I 152 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: think the steroid guys are a different conversation. And I'd 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: be curious Dad to turn it around and ask you 154 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: does this sign stealing have anything to do for the 155 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: main culprits of the steroid era. 156 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think the sign stealing is going to help 157 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: everyone a little bit. That a sign stealing, you know, 158 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: guy got in. Okay, but I'm sorry, I just don't 159 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: see this as the same as Pete Rose or shoeless 160 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: Joe Jackson. Okay, you are trained at a very young 161 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: age to steal signs, no matter what the case. Now, 162 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: they did it illegally, it was wrong. They got punished, 163 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: they didn't get punished enough according to you. I understand that. 164 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: But there isn't a sign when you walk into every 165 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: clubhouse it says you're not allowed to steal signs from 166 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: the other team. You are encouraged to steal signs. So 167 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 3: I just don't think you can compare this to Pete 168 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: Rose and shoeless Show Jackson quite as easily as some 169 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: people want to think. And again, Jeff, this is my 170 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: problem with being a voter. Still, I'm asked to be 171 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: the moral arbiter here is what is cheating? Is it 172 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: stealing signs, using a trash can? Is it, you know, 173 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: scuffing a baseball, quirking a bat? Is it using steroids? 174 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 3: Is it betting on baseball? I mean they're all cheating 175 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: to some degree. And I'm just not comfortable being the 176 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: moral arbiter of what is the bigger cheat and everything else. 177 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: But that's where we are on the Hall of Fame ballot. 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: I mean, Manny Ramirez is off the ballot after ten 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: years because you know, he obviously got caught several times 180 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: after they were you know, checking, and there were punishment, 181 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: there were penalties and everything else. So that's a separator. 182 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: That's why the Hall of Fame voting is still still 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: the biggest honor I have, the biggest privilege I have, 184 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: But it's still really really hard to get it right. 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't think you can get it right anymore. You 186 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 3: just do the best you can. And I know that's 187 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: what I did, and I did that every year. 188 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to Carlos Beltron being inducted this July into 189 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York. But he'll 190 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: go in alongside another center fielder, Andrew Jones, will be 191 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer this year. 192 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: Right, and I think it's deserving. I voted for him. 193 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: He got seventy eight percent of the vote. This was 194 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: his ninth year on the ballot. Jeff, after Willie Mays, 195 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: he's the greatest defensive center fielder that I've ever seen, 196 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: and I saw Willie Mays. Because I'm almost seventy years old. 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: I'll never forget. I did a story for Sports Illustrated 198 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: ones just looking at the play, at each physician that 199 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: is the hardest to make, like the you're charging the 200 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: bunt bare hand for a third baseman, thrown across the 201 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: diamond for a center fielder. I chose the ball that's 202 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: hit directly over their head. So I'm in the process 203 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: of trying to figure out who was the best active player. 204 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: This is, you know, thirty years ago, almost the best 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: active player at getting the ball hit over his head 206 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: in center field. And I mentioned one set of one team. 207 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: I went to him and I said, isn't Ken Griffy Junior. 208 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: And I'll I'll be honest with you, it was a 209 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: little exulted because the guy goes what several of the 210 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: players goes what. Nobody has ever been better than Andrew 211 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: Jones at that, And again I saw Willie Mays. No 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: one was better than Willy Mays. I grew up watching 213 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: Paul Blair in Baltimore. He was great. But Andrew Jones 214 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: is I repeat, the second greatest defensive center fielder that 215 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: I've ever seen. He won ten Gold Gloves and he 216 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: had four hundred thirty four homers. So the only players 217 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: ever with ten gold gloves and four hundred homers are 218 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: Willie Mays, Ken Griffy Junior, Mike Schmidt, and Andrew Jones. 219 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: That's why I voted a film. Now, you know, the 220 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: downside Jet was even though he started his career at 221 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: nineteen and I was there that night at Yankee Stadium 222 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: when he had two home runs in Game one of 223 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: the World Series as a nineteen year old, but his 224 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: career really really fell off at age thirty thirty one 225 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: and he wasn't even close to being the same. But 226 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: when you have a ten year prime, and he had 227 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: a ten year prime, to me, that's normally good enough 228 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: to get you into the Hall of Fame. So that's 229 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: why I voted for Andrew Jones. 230 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think Andrew Jones dead. 231 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: This is so exciting for me because all of these 232 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: guys are from a generation in which I grew up 233 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: watching them play. And I know that sounds crazy, but 234 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: you know, when I was growing up, the first couple 235 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: in Ducks I went to, I wasn't even alive when 236 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: they were still playing, or at least when they were 237 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: in their prime. It wasn't until I hit the years 238 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: of cow Ripken Junior and Tony Gwynn and those inductions 239 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: that I started to say, Okay, I saw these guys, 240 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: but I didn't see cal in the eighties, right. I 241 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: saw these guys come up in the league. I saw 242 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: their rise, I saw their World Series performances. 243 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: That's really neat, Dad, the. 244 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: Two home runs in Game one of the World Series 245 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: as a nineteen year old. But I mean the only 246 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: other one I can think of from a teenage performance 247 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: was it Juan Soto. Was he nineteen or was he 248 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: twenty already? 249 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: Well, Wan Soto hit cleanup in a World Series at 250 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: age twenty, that's right, Ty Cobb, That's Miguel Cabrera, That's 251 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: Juan Soto. It's hard to do. 252 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: And then I mean, going back to Carlos Peltron, Dad, 253 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to playoff performance, nobody, nobody did it better. 254 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean, if we had to rename a mister October, 255 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: it would be Carlos Beltrok Right. 256 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: And again, Jeff, he didn't just hit home runs like 257 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson did. He ran the bases. He played a 258 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: magnificent center field. So I think the two guys who 259 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: were most likely to get in did get in. I 260 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 3: was struck by a couple other things. Again, I voted 261 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: for Chase Utley. He's up to fifty nine percent of 262 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: the vote. He's made a couple of really nice jumps here, 263 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: and I think this bodes well for him eventually getting 264 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame. And I voted for Chase 265 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: Utley because I thought he was the best all round 266 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: player on those great Phillies teams, the team that won 267 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: the World Series in two thousand and eight. I mean, 268 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: they had great players, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, who's very 269 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: much a borderline Hall of Famer. He has a shot 270 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: some days, got to really pick it up from here. 271 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: But Udley had every intangible Jeff, That's what I did. 272 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: No one played the game harder than Chase Utley, no 273 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: one played the game more correctly than Chase Utley. And 274 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: I just always appreciated how important it was for him 275 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: to play the game the right way and to win. 276 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: That's all he ever cared about. I'll never forget Jeff. 277 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: When I interviewed him early in his career, just do 278 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: a story just about how great Chase Utley was. He 279 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: gave me the most boring interview of all time. Was 280 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: he was. He wasn't rude, certainly, he wasn't dismissive. He 281 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: just didn't say anything of any interest. And when we 282 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: were done, I thanked him and he looked at me 283 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: and he said sorry like that, like, I just can't 284 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: give you what you're looking for here because I don't 285 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: want to talk about myself. Now. If we talked about 286 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: the team, wow, if we talked about how great Jimmy 287 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: Rollins was, or how great you know Roy Halliday was, 288 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: or you know any of those guys, well, he's all in. 289 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: He'll talk about them all day. But I always kind 290 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: of admired him for looking at me and just not 291 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: giving me anything because he didn't want to make it 292 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: about him. Does that mean anything to you, Jeff? 293 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: I think it's wonderfully humbling to hear that from a 294 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: guy of his stature and his ability. It's incredible, and 295 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: I think one day he'll make it. So those were 296 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: your three that you only voted for three this year? 297 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: Dad, Yeah, And Jeff, most years I voted for ten, okay, 298 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: And there were years where if I had seventeen that 299 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: I could vote for, I would have voted for seventeen. Now, 300 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that today's players aren't as good as 301 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: you know ten years ago or so. I'm not saying that. 302 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: I'm just saying there are ebbs and flows to every 303 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame ballot, and it hurts me to only 304 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: vote for three, but I got to vote with my conscience, 305 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: and I voted for Beltron, and Andrew Jones and Chase Obey. 306 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: You know, my heart, my little second baseman heart was 307 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: really heartbroken to see and I didn't think it was 308 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: going to happen anyway, But I would have loved to 309 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: see Chase Utley, Jeff Kent, and Dustin Pedroia all go 310 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: in in the same class. I mean, talk about great 311 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: hands right there, the little guys. 312 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that'd be great. Yeah. We love Dustin Padroya, 313 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: and nobody played the game harder than him, even though 314 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: I just said the same thing about Chase Utley, but 315 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 3: that's He's a little guy that made a great career, 316 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: but it ended short. He got hurt, not his fault, 317 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: and it's just I just feel terrible not voting for him. 318 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: But I looked at the numbers and I just couldn't 319 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: go there. So that's the hard part. But the last thing, Jeff, 320 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Cole Hamil's got twenty five percent his first year on 321 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: the ballot. Okay, I did not vote for Cole Hammil's. 322 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: I seriously considered him. But I think that's a pretty 323 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: good first year showing for Cole Hammil's. That doesn't mean 324 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: he's going to get in one day, but that was 325 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: slightly higher, better than I thought he would do, and 326 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: I think that's a great sign for Cole Hammils. 327 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of Philadelphia Phillies on this ballot, Dad, 328 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: and so you know, not getting Utley in was a 329 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: disappointment obviously for fans. But they have Rollins, they have Hammels, 330 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: They've got Utley. There could be some future from those 331 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: great early two thousands teams. 332 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: Right right, Okay. A couple other takeaways Jeff from the 333 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: week not related to the Hall of Fame. Ryan Presley retired. 334 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: It's you know, he had fourteen Jeff postseason saves. That's 335 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: the fifth most of all time. Ryan Presley was a 336 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: really good pitcher for several teams. I really enjoyed watching 337 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: him pitch. He didn't overpower everybody, but he had such 338 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: a great combination fastball, slider, curveball, everything else. He was 339 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: really good and also really sad. This week, Jeff wilbur 340 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 3: Wood died. Wilburwood is way, way, way before your time. 341 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: He was a knuckleball pitcher. Nineteen seventy two, Jeff, he 342 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 3: threw three hundred and seventy six innings. Granted, he's a 343 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: knuckleball pitcher three seventy six, Jeff. If you get to 344 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: two hundred today, you are a work course of the 345 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: highest order. He threw three hundred and seventy six innings 346 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two and in seventy two seventy three, Jeff, 347 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 3: he won a total of forty eight games in back 348 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: to back seasons combined. That's unbelievable. And in nineteen seventy three, Jeff, 349 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 3: he went twenty four and twenty so he Phil Nicro 350 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: Walter Johnson, are you a very small group of guys 351 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: who've won twenty and lost twenty in the same year? 352 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: I ever tell you, I went to Walter Johnson High 353 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: School nineteen Yeah, nineteen sixteen, Walter Johnson, get this, went 354 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: twenty five and twenty and he had a one point 355 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 3: nine oer and he lost twenty games. Think about that 356 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: for a minute. I mean, but that's. 357 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: Let's think about this. How many of those games did 358 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: he lose? 359 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Was it one to zero? Probably a lot of them. 360 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Walter Johnson had thirty eight one to nothing losses 361 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: in his career. Think about that. First, Well, he was amazing. 362 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: So last thing, Wilburwood three point twenty four Era twenty 363 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: four shoutouts more than Mike Messina. Well, I only mentioned 364 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: because Mike Messina is a Hall of Famer. He was 365 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer for me. So Wilburwood, 366 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: rest in peace. You were a lot of fun to 367 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: watch in your day. And again, Jeff, just another reminder, 368 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: knuckleball pitchers never get to do that. They are owed 369 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 3: because people think it's just a carnival act and it's not. 370 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: It's a really hard pitch to throw, and he threw 371 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: it pretty darn well for a long time. 372 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: On the State in Baseball History, Dad January the twenty. 373 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: Five, Yeah, we had a couple of fun things. Shed long. 374 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: I only bring up his name, Jeff, because you left 375 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: our house the other day on Martin Luther King Weekend 376 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: you had to go home early because the shed was 377 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: being delivered to your house and you had to get 378 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: home and shovel the snow. And then what happened. 379 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: The shed got canceled. 380 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: The shed has already been moved one week. Now it's 381 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: being moved another week. And Dad, I don't know if 382 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: you've looked at the weather, but there's going to be 383 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: a massive snow storm hitting the entire country on Sunday 384 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: into Monday, and my shed's supposed to come on Monday. 385 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get this darn thing. 386 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: Dad, right right Well, on this date in twenty nineteen, 387 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: shed Long Junior. I love that his real first name 388 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 3: is Shedrick. But he was traded from the red to 389 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 3: the Yankees in the Sunny Gray Deal, and later that 390 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: day the Yankees traded him to the Marators. So in 391 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: one day this day in twenty nineteen, shed Long got 392 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: traded twice. And we will talk a little bit more 393 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: about shed Long when we do team tim. Hopefully you 394 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: can figure out where we're headed with that. I have 395 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: a good feeling, okay. Also on this date, in nineteen 396 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 3: fifty two, Mike Kruco was born. Mike Cruco was a 397 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: good major League pitcher. He's one of the great broadcasters 398 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: in baseball. He and Dwayne Kuiper do Giants games. They 399 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: should both be in the Hall of Fame, and they will, 400 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: both of them will be one day. And I always 401 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: I love talking to Mike Creuco. I learned so much 402 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: from him every time I talk to him. And he's 403 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: got a great sense of humor, which he's always had. So, Jeff, 404 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: do you remember you remember years ago when Terry You've 405 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 3: seen it on YouTube and everywhere. Terry Mulholland, a pitcher 406 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 3: for then the Giants, the ball a one hop comebacker 407 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: came to him and the ball got stuck in his glove, 408 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: so he couldn't get the ball out of the webbing 409 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: because it was trapped. So he threw the glove to 410 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: Bob Bredley, the first baseman, for the out, and Mike 411 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: Ruco said after the game, I still get a kick 412 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: out of this this many years later, he told Bredley, 413 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: you blew it. You should have whipped it around the infield. 414 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: Should have whipped the glove around the infield. That's my 415 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 3: Kruco for it. Love that, Love that all right, That's 416 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: this day in baseball history. 417 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: Chat well, Dad, we did one through fifty five, the 418 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: best players to wear each number, from Ozzie to Oral, 419 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: and so now starting this year we did from Burley 420 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: to Behemoth, from fifty six to ninety nine, and Dad, 421 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: we're on number fifty eight. 422 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been pretty easy so far. Mark Burley, of 423 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: course was number fifty six. Fifty seven was Ohan Santana. 424 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: It was a pretty good choice. And number fifty eight 425 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: is Jonathan Paplebon, who saved three hundred and sixty eight games. 426 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 3: He two hundred and nineteen of them for the Red Sox, 427 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty three of them for the Phillies. 428 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 3: And I've always got a big kick out of papal 429 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: Bond because he's he's got a playful way about him. 430 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: And Tito Frank Godo, who's made me laugh so many times. 431 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: Jeff told us that, you know, he plays cribbage before 432 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: every game, and papal Bond said, hey, how about how 433 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: how about if I get to play, you're going to 434 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: teach me how to place. Of course, they play for money, 435 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: and Tito's like a great cribbage player and papal ban 436 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: was just learning, so he wasn't very good. So he 437 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: lost a lot of games and lost a lot of money. 438 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: As Tito won stild he said he built my he 439 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: finished my basement for me, meaning the money that Tito 440 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: won playing cribbage against John paple Bond got him the 441 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: basement finished in his house. I'm sorry, I love that. 442 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's incredible. We love Jonathan Bapplebon and 443 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: we love Tito. We loved Tito, had him as a 444 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: guest when he was not managing a team. We got 445 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: him right at the right time, Dad, because he took 446 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: that Reds team to the playoffs last year, and only 447 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: exciting stuff for him this year. All right, Dad, three 448 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: cards from the bathroom, and took three cards out of 449 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: the basement bathroom. We got a whole collection down there 450 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: at a display on the mirror, and in a mitt 451 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: down there, who. 452 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: Do you have? Yeah, I just close my eyes and 453 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: stick my hand in there. I don't just pick three, 454 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: because I can't do this for just three. But sometimes. 455 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: This time I picked six, and I came up with 456 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 3: three that I would like to talk about out of 457 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: the sixth. First one is Framber Valdez, still a free agent, 458 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 3: a very good pitcher. The combination of that curveball and 459 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: that hard sinker is just devastating. I'm always amazed, Jeff, 460 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: and I've told you this before. I've seen him play 461 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 3: long He's left handed, but I've seen him play long 462 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: toss right handed many times, and it just amazes me 463 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: that he looks right handed as he's throwing with his 464 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: right hand. Who did we learn last week? Was Ambidexterres 465 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: as a kid and still is today. 466 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: Don't tell me you forgot it was last week, Kelly Kirkson. 467 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: Well, we always I'm. 468 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: Kidding Dad, Don Mattingly, It's Don Mattingley, who was our 469 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: guest last week. If you missed it, we kind of 470 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: treated it like a bonus episode, but it's waiting for you. 471 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: Donnie Baseball was absolutely incredible, just recently named as the 472 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: bench coach for the Phillies, but nonetheless a great baseball player, 473 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 2: A great baseball player in his day. 474 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's who we found out right, because. 475 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 3: He was one of the great first basemen defensively of 476 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 3: all time. Left handed, of course, but when he was 477 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: growing up he would catch, play second base, play third base, 478 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: and as kid he would play those positions right handed, 479 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: which is just incredible to me. All right. Number two 480 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: is Mike Wit. The only perfect game that I have 481 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: ever covered was Mike WIT's perfect game on the last 482 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: day of the nineteen eighty four season. He was pitching 483 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: for the Angels. I was covering the Rangers, and that 484 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: was the end of the season. Final game. Game lasted 485 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: like an hour and forty eight minutes. Everyone wanted to 486 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: go home. And let's see if you can remember, because 487 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: I know I've told you this story before. Marv Foley 488 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: made the last out of that perfect game as a 489 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: pinch hitter. Do you remember what the distinction was of 490 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: Marv Foley specific to that perfect game. I don't want 491 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: to torture you on this, Jem. It was the last 492 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: at bat that he took every A League career in 493 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: his career, The last at bat he ever took was 494 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 3: the final out of a perfect game. Again, Jeff, only 495 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 3: in baseball can this happen? And number three is Ramone Martinez, 496 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: who is his younger brother Jeff. 497 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: Pedro. 498 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and Ramone was much taller than Pedro. Ramon, by 499 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: the way, had more career shutouts than Pedro did. I mean? 500 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: Ramon had filthy stuff. And I'll never forget the first 501 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: time I met him. This is Dodger days, you know, 502 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 3: thirty forty years ago, whatever it was. And after I 503 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: shake his hand, Eric Carris of the Dodgers comes up 504 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: to me and he said, did you notice his forearms? 505 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: And I went, what, he goes, He's got the longest 506 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: forearms I've ever seen. So I go back to Ramone 507 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: Martinez and I say, show me your forearms and they 508 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: were like this much longer, Jeff than anybody else's forearms. 509 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: So that incredible whip action that he used to get 510 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: on his breaking ball was in part because he had 511 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: these really long, flexible forearms. So his brother Pedro Hall 512 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: of Famer, of course, had the biggest fingers, biggest hands, 513 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: triple jointed, can manipulate the ball any way you wanted. 514 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: Because of those great hands. His brother Ramone, who I 515 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: repeat had more career shutouts than Pedro, he had these 516 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: long whip action forearms, which made him an even better pitcher. 517 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: I just love the little things like that. You recognize, well, 518 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: I needed help recognizing, but that was one of the 519 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: great attributes of Ramone Martinez. 520 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: And if there's one thing to learn about Tim Kirkshon 521 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: is if you have a body part that's even a 522 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: little bit strange. He's gonna ask you about it, that's 523 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: for sure. If your head can fit multiple beers in 524 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: the helmet, he's gonna ask you about it. If you 525 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: can palm a basketball, he's gonna ask you about it. Okay, 526 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: if you can open up a can of soda with 527 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: your toes, he's gonna ask you about it and make 528 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: you do it, because he's writing a story another chapter 529 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: in his book called soda toes or whatever you're doing, 530 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: you always have the best stories, Dad, because that's because 531 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: you're the most curious guy out there. And that's what 532 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: we love about you. That's what we love about your work. 533 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: Let's see how well you listen, Jeff. Sandy Kofax you 534 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: talk to you about many times with the biggest hands 535 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: you'll ever see on a picture. How what shoe size 536 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: did Sandy Kofax wear or what does he still wear? 537 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: He told us this in October after a World Series game. 538 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 3: Say it, you know it? 539 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember, Dad. 540 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: It's a fifteen fifteen he's like just over six feet tallity, 541 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: whereas a fifteen shoe? I love it, Sandy Kofax. Yes, 542 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: you're right, Jeff. Those things intrigue me because sometimes just 543 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: a little bit of difference, you know, allows you to 544 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 3: be even better at something. If a body part really 545 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: works well, whether it's big hands, big feet, small feet, 546 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 3: little fingers, thick fingers, whatever it is. I love that 547 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: stuff and you're right, So thank you. 548 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Let's wrap up today's episode Dad with a team Tim. 549 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: I mean you already mentioned my shed. Thanks for bringing 550 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: up such an unpleasant subject. Why don't you give me 551 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: a paper cut? And boyd lemon juice in it? What's closed? 552 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: Miracle Max? 553 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 3: Right? Okay, Jeff, So shed was an obvious one. So 554 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: this is the all building slash structure team, okay it 555 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: and I vowed I vowed at the beginning of twenty 556 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: twenty six to have a team Tim for every episode 557 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: that we do. So they are going to be many 558 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: stretches in here, but we're going to start with Shed 559 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: Long as our second baseman. Derek Hall is our first 560 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: basement because a hall is a structure, right. Austin Barnes 561 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: multiple plural barns, even though there's an es. Brady House 562 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: is our third baseman. Rocky Bridges is our shortstop. Ryan 563 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: Church is one outfielder. Jake Cave which is a structure 564 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: of sorts. People have actually survived living in a cave. 565 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: And Charlie Abbey is one of our outfielders. I never 566 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: heard of him, but I looked up Abby and there 567 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: he was. By the way, Jeff, Let's just show you 568 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: how one minded I am, about how little I know 569 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: about so much. When Downtown Abbey came out, you remember, yes, 570 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: my mother grew up in England, I thought it was 571 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: Downtown Abbey. I thought it was about an abbey that 572 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 3: was located downtown that wasn't nearly as bad as when 573 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: Martine Prado, who was a really good hitter for Thes 574 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: and then the Marlins. I said on Baseball Tonight, this 575 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 3: is at least twenty years ago. And Wendy Nicks love 576 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: Wendy Nick. She was the host of the show. So 577 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: I made a joke, even though it really turned against me. 578 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: The Devilwaar's Prato is what I said. And I didn't 579 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: know the difference, and Wendy said, like corrected me, like 580 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: scolded me on the air and said, Tim, it's the 581 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: devilwars Prada, not Prado. But since the only thing I 582 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: knew that resembled that was the second basement, third baseman, 583 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: Martine Prado. That was pretty bad, Jeff. Sorry, and Wendy 584 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: had every right to Yellavie all right, last our pictures. 585 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: We have a bunch, but I'm Austin Kitchen pitched in 586 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Love that name. Wally Bunker really good. 587 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: Oriole in the mid sixties, live in a bunker for 588 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: a while. And Doc ellis a former pirates pitcher, of course, 589 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: and a doc is a structure of sorts. So that's 590 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: the all building structure team this day on Hall of 591 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: Fame week. That was not a Hall of Fame list, 592 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: but shed just got my attention, Jeff, because of all 593 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: that you went through with your shed. 594 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: And that was good. 595 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: But I would say it was as big of a 596 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: stretch as Randy Johnson and a couple of those. That 597 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: was a bigger stretch of Willie McCovey. 598 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 3: That was his nickname. It was a bigger stretch than 599 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: Steve Russian and that's his nickname too. Stretch, Yeah, Stretch. 600 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: Steve Russian, father of two or three children. I love 601 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: him all right, Dad. 602 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: Well, the Hall of Fame class will grow by three 603 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: come July with Jeff Kent previously announced from the Contemporary Committee, 604 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: and then of course Andrew Jones and Carlos Speltrom will 605 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: join as well. Now we can't make promises, but the 606 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: last couple of years we've you know, popped over to 607 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame for a little bit of love, 608 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: and so maybe we'll be back this year. I'm really 609 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 2: looking forward to. Cooper's Down is like the happiest, greatest 610 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: place on earth. Dat I know it brings you so 611 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: much joy. You are now a member of the Hall 612 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: of Fame as a baseball writer, deservedly so. And hopefully 613 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: you and I will get to head back. 614 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: There this summer because it's really special. 615 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just to repeat you, greatest privilege I have, 616 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: greatest honor I have in the business is being able 617 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 3: to vote for the Hall of Fame because Carlos Beltron 618 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: and Andrew Jones's life changed to yesterday when they were 619 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 3: inducted into the Hall of Fame. It's so good. 620 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, and as always, thanks 621 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: for being a part of our family.