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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about some animals that you should not have as a

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Speaker 1: pet unless you want to become extremely dead. From innocent

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Speaker 1: looking beach beauties to our lovable goofy and deadly cousins,

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Speaker 1: these creatures would sooner destroy you than cuddle. Discover this

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Speaker 1: and more as we answer the age old question when

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Speaker 1: does a kangaroo become your Kanda Doom? Joining me today

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Speaker 1: is the Internet's zoologist TikTok Star and author of the

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Speaker 1: book one Hundred Animals that Can backing End You. Mama,

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Speaker 1: do welcome. I just want to say that was your

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Speaker 1: radio voice. That was amazing. I want to be able

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Speaker 1: to do that one day. Well, but thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is really exciting. You're very welcome. That's about for

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Speaker 1: my radio voice. The rest of the show is just

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Speaker 1: in my normal voice, because uh, I don't have written

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Speaker 1: out for me what I say. So, Yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: your content. I love how you make evolutionary biology relatable, exciting,

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Speaker 1: fun and scary. It's it's definitely the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: I'm super into. Well, thank you, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: My whole thing without what I do is I kind

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Speaker 1: of wanted to make the type of content that I

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Speaker 1: myself as a kid would have really liked. Um not

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Speaker 1: necessary for people that don't necessarily watch the hour long

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Speaker 1: documentaries or they're not exactly Animal Planet like junkies the

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Speaker 1: way I was I they can still get something out

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Speaker 1: of the content because of just the way I present information.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's entertaining, it's funny, but you can

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Speaker 1: also come away and with it and learn something and

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Speaker 1: you know, have a bunch of things you can like

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Speaker 1: take to your friends and start conversations and you know,

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Speaker 1: just being able to foster an interest in the environment

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Speaker 1: the way that I do. Yeah, I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the main goal of like the platform that I have,

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Speaker 1: and that's been going pretty well so far. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the absolute best use of TikTok because tiktoks have

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Speaker 1: very addictive but I love just having these little, like

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Speaker 1: little cookies of information that you get and there it is.

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Speaker 1: It does remind me of when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: and i'd watch Animal Planet, one of my favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: I think was like the World's most Extreme and they

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Speaker 1: do like a countdown of the most extreme animals, and

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Speaker 1: that was always so fun. I watched that show religiously

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Speaker 1: me too, just every day after school, and it was like,

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Speaker 1: it was so exciting for me. And so I love

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Speaker 1: how you capture that excitement of like looking at some

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Speaker 1: of the most intense animals that that blow your mind

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Speaker 1: that they even exist. Honestly, Yeah, even if you watch

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Speaker 1: that show and you watch my content, you can definitely

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Speaker 1: see like where I like took inspiration from it, Like

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Speaker 1: that show was. As a kid, I wasn't really allowed

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Speaker 1: but I was able to get around that because Animal

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Speaker 1: Planet Discovery Channel it's technically educational, so um, I was

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Speaker 1: able to get away. So I was watching The Most

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Speaker 1: Extreme all the time I had. I even had blank

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Speaker 1: And so today we are doing kind of the most

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Speaker 1: extreme animals in terms of how surprisingly deadly they are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are not the deadliest animals in the

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Speaker 1: Animals that we love, that look innocent, that look beautiful,

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Speaker 1: can easily identify what animals are dangerous. Aligns the tigers,

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Speaker 1: I do that a lot of my videos. But I

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Speaker 1: think there is this misconception that herbivores are harmless, that

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Speaker 1: a it's a name, but yeah, it it does have

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Speaker 1: certain species of cone snails like I mentioned earlier, there

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Speaker 1: like massive damage to each other where the loser often

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00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: sometimes just dots, just can recover from those injuries. So

426
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: that's like, that's why, well, kangaroo attacks on humans are rare.

427
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: When they have been they can be pretty like catastrophic. Yeah, no, absolutely,

428
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you might see like a photo of

429
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: two kangaroos and it looks like they're hugging, like it's

430
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: like cute they're hugging. No, no, they are having a

431
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: fight because the males will, like like you said, they'll

432
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: hold onto each other, lean back on these strong, powerful

433
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: tails and kick and scratch at each other. And they

434
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: have claws both on their forearms and on their hind

435
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: legs that they can use in with extremely powerful kicks

436
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: and armed with a claw that can be very very

437
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: dangerous and so like. So the western gray kangaroos, which

438
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: I believe are some of the most common kangaroos in Australia.

439
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: They're fairly large. They can weigh around a hundred and

440
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: fifty pounds or sixty eight ms for the males. Females

441
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: are a little smaller um. Some have been known to

442
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: way up to two hundred pounds or with Those are

443
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: sort of the big boys, but so much of that

444
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: weight is like muscle, and so much of that muscle

445
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: is distributed to their extremely powerful legs. So that is

446
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: not something you want to mess with. And they are

447
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: not even the largest kangaroo you mentioned earlier, the the

448
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: red kangaroo, which is the largest kangaroo u and it

449
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: is quite big. They can be, like you said earlier,

450
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: six ft tall or one eight meters or even taller

451
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: in in certain circumstances. They can weigh around two hundred

452
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: pounds or nine and they can run over thirty seven

453
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: miles per hour or sixty kilometers an hour, and they

454
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: have three hundred degree vision. So if you think that

455
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: you can escape an angry red kangaroo, it's that you

456
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you could not. If they were determined to catch up

457
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: to you and find you, they definitely would. Yeah, And

458
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: the scary part is the way their legs are in

459
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the way they like move, they actually expend less energy,

460
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: Like the faster they're moving when they're just when kangaroos

461
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: are kind of like at leisure and they're like razy, Uh,

462
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: they actually spend more energy doing that than when they're

463
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: in a full out bound going the thirty five miles

464
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: per hour, they can like max out at um. Yeah,

465
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: and with the guy obviously it's like tragic. But with

466
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: like a male kangaroo, like the like I said, the

467
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: fights can cause serious injury, and no kangaroo wants to

468
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: deal with that, So they have these ways to communicate

469
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: that they don't want to fight that they're like kind

470
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: of letting the other guy like you know, you're you're

471
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: the alpha, that's fine. Uh. They'll do things like they

472
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: will make Obviously eye contact is usually just bad with

473
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: any animals, especially like predator based. Um, they'll try to

474
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: avoid eye contact. They'll do this thing where they'll cough,

475
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like an admission of like submission

476
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: where you're like basically giving up before you like can

477
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: potentially get hurt. Um. So I'm guessing with this man,

478
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: he raises kangaroo, and a lot of people raise these

479
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: animals like humans, So things that like things like eye contact,

480
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: things like being loud. They they're doing that with these animals,

481
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: and eventually, if that animal fels threatened and you do

482
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: those same behaviors, it's going to see that as a

483
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: threat no matter what you tried to teach it throughout

484
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: his life. And I'm guessing I don't know the story

485
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: with this man, but it feels like the kangaroo was

486
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: like standing up to them. The guy was like not

487
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: backing down in the kangaroo song as a threat and

488
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: just did with like instinctually they've been doing for like

489
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: a while. So it's just it's sad, But those are

490
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: like reminders that these are wild animals and they don't

491
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: like not it's only a matter of time before they

492
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: like revert back to like their actual wild behavior, right,

493
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: and we don't speak their language, so, like, you know,

494
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: you see this a lot in various animals. They don't

495
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: necessarily want to engage in conflict all the time. They

496
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: will if they feel that they need to, but especially

497
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: with like male and male sort of like rivalries, they

498
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: will often have this like if the winner is really clear,

499
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: this is when they can back down from a fight.

500
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: Like if it's not so clear who would win this fight,

501
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: then you may have quite a violent fight. But if

502
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: you have like a male who's like, oh, I cannot

503
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: take you on, and I do not want to fight you,

504
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: they have a communication system for that because it is

505
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: costly to have a competition between two males. And yeah,

506
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: I think that probably it sounds about right, probably what happened. Uh.

507
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, especially if someone raises an animal

508
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: from a uh, from a baby, like from a young animal,

509
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: they may be surprised when that animal reaches maturity and

510
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: their hormones kick in and their behavior suddenly changes because like,

511
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: mature male is going to be much different from an

512
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: immature male. I mean the same thing with female animals

513
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: in many cases. But yeah, once they reach maturity, their

514
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: behaviors are going to be quite different, and it can

515
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: be more aggressive because you know, this is the point

516
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: at which they have to compete for females, and so

517
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: behaviors you may have had with like a baby kangaroo

518
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: with the joey that the joey didn't you know, get

519
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: upset by the adult kangaroo may get upset by And again,

520
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: if you don't know that much about kangaroos or you

521
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: don't speak kangaroo language, then you're not going to see

522
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: that coming, that that change in behavior where they no

523
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: longer think you're just playing around, they think that you're

524
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: actually a threat or threatening them. Yeah, when a joey,

525
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: when it goes from a Joey to a boomer, that's

526
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: when that's when things change. That's when the picking order

527
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: changes in the house. Yeah. Yeah, and it can be

528
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: quite violent. I mean this is half, I would say,

529
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: half myth, but there is a truth to it, which

530
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: is the idea that kangaroos will try to drown you.

531
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, yes,

532
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: So there's this, um, i don't know what you'd call it,

533
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: old wives tail, internet rumor that kangaroos will lure you

534
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: into water so that they can drown you, or lure

535
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: a predator into water so they can drown you. The

536
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: intention to like the luring part of like, you know,

537
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: trying to get you to come in the water so

538
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: that they can drown you. That's not true. Care as don't.

539
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: They're as as um sort of pugnacious as they are.

540
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: They don't have like a premeditated murder mindset where it's

541
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: like I'm going to get you in the water so

542
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: that I can drown you. But it is true that

543
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: herbivores have a strategy where they go into water when

544
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: they feel threatened. And this is not because they're planning

545
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: on drowning you. This is because often predators maybe don't

546
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 1: want to follow you into the water. Like you know,

547
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: it's more difficult terrain for a lot of predators. They're

548
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: suddenly at a disadvantage because you know, they especially shorter predators.

549
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: It's like now you don't have any terra firma, any

550
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: ground to like be able to stabilize yourself against. So

551
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: a predator might just give up at that point. And

552
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: that's what the kangaroos do. But if a predator does

553
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: follow them into the water, they're going to defend themselves.

554
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: And for a kangaroo, this may mean drowning that predator. Yeah,

555
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: especially as bipeds. Again, they can be pretty tall, so

556
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: like and I think they're biggest predator might be dingoes,

557
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: especially if they're like being hunted in pacts. So again,

558
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: like it's a natural prey response to like retreat into water.

559
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: Plenty of animals do it, buffalo like that, but especially

560
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: um with kangaroos, Like they'll just go to the deepest point. Now,

561
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: if the animal happens to follow them into the water again,

562
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: like you said, they'll use their forearms and try to

563
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: shove them like underwater until they either retreat or they

564
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: just end up drowning them. And that's why since they

565
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: like had to deal with dingos for so long, they're

566
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: basically what I called like dog racists. So like anything

567
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: that looks like a dog, a kangaroo is probably going

568
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: to attack or attempt to drown. So like, if a

569
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: kangaroo like runs into water, that's kind of its last

570
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: stand because again it's not actively trying to like or

571
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: people in like, because that's still bringing conflict to itself

572
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: and no animal really likes that. But they do have

573
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: ways to, like, um, defend themselves if they do get

574
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: falled into the water. But it does remind me of

575
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: like this other myth where like the people would say that, um, well,

576
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: for the longest people thought the komodo dragon it was

577
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the bacteria in its mouth that killed its prey, but

578
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: really it's it's betom The problem is they do have

579
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: like a septic bite, and what do buffalo do if

580
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: they've been attacked, they'll like run into the water. And

581
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: then when you have like when you have this unclean,

582
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: unsanitary water around this open womb, that's when they can

583
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: develop like a bacterial infection, and that's when these buffal

584
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: look and have these slow, painful deaths. And uh, that's

585
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: how the commodo can end up tracking them, especially with

586
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: their sense of smelts. They they're like leather blood outs.

587
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: They can smell you at almost any point in the island.

588
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: It's they're actually they're legitimately terrifying. There's no point you

589
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: can go where it come out. I will eventually track

590
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: you down. But um, I think that's where the whole

591
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: bacteria thing came from. But like almost prey animals have

592
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: like an inclination to like get into the water, since

593
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: most mammals have just the natural ability to swim, so

594
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: they just feel safe for in the water. That's what

595
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: they do, and it behooves. You're not to follow them

596
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: in there? Yes, yes, absolutely, you know they come out

597
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: a dragon. Put it like that. It reminds me of

598
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the movie It follows just like this, this very like

599
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: this slow and steady predator that's like inescapable. It's just

600
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: tracking you and as soon as you slow down, it's

601
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: gonna get you. It's so scary, it really is, because

602
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: that's almost exactly how they operate once, like they think.

603
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Another thing is that people believe the komodo will bite

604
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: once and then let you get away and then track you.

605
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Not really, because obviously if one komodo can track you,

606
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: a whole bunch can. The thing is they have the

607
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: one bite, and if you do manage to escape, they

608
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: have such a developed sense of smell that they can

609
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: track you wherever, to the point where people would say,

610
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: like women that are in their venturel cycle are they

611
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: should stay inside if they're anywhere in Komodo country because

612
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: they really can get tracked by a komodo dragon. And um,

613
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how often. I imagine it isn't too often,

614
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: but there have been cases of komodos like digging out

615
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: human graves and eating corpses inside there like apex. So

616
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: literally they can beat anything, like including each other, like

617
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: to the point where young komotos will often hide in

618
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: trees where adult komotos can't get them because adult komotos

619
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: will eat baby komotos like without hesitation. They're like truly

620
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: like they're pretty much like a relic from like back

621
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: when we had dinosaurs and everything, especially with like Megalania.

622
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: Megalania was just basically komodo dragon three times bigger. That's

623
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: truly terrifying. Yeah, that is, that is there's it's it's

624
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: how methodical they are, how thorough they are. They're like

625
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: the scariest serial killer where they can find you anywhere.

626
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: They have a great sense of smell, and then they're

627
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: so tenacious that they have the patients to continue after Yeah,

628
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: it will be days, days, they'll come after you. Oh

629
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: that's so scary. Well, we're gonna take another quick break

630
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: while I hyperventilate about Komodo dragons. But when we're when

631
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: we get back, we're going to talk about actually one

632
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: of the for me, it's one of the scariest animals,

633
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: though I also love it um as. Yes, yes, it's

634
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I love them, but they terrify me in a way

635
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: that I think no other animal really does. And so

636
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: we will talk about that right after the break. So

637
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: I finally got to see Nope, it's it's I don't know,

638
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: of all the horror movies, I feel like this one

639
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: really scared me in a profound way that other ones

640
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: don't really get at. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe

641
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: it's because I love evolutionary biology so much and there

642
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: are so many references to evolutionary biology in it, and

643
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: it's like it like touches on my deepest, darkest fears. Honestly,

644
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: it's the realism that really got me. Especially I don't

645
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: want to give away too much to anyone who hasn't

646
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: watched it yet, but certain things in that movie, so

647
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the scariest scenes those happened like in real life, especially

648
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: with one of the animals we're going to talk about. Yes, yeah,

649
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: there have in some pretty horrific like attacks, and ironically

650
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: you don't even see it in the movie, but like

651
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: you get you see just how catastrophic that kind of

652
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: thing can be. Yeah, absolutely, it's I mean, yeah, the

653
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: the whole it does touch upon and I don't think

654
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: this will spoil anything, but it will. It does touch

655
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: upon these sort of unconquerability of nature in certain ways

656
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: where it's like we think that because we're you know,

657
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: we have our human civilization and we you know, kind

658
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: of have insulated ourselves a lot, we feel sort of

659
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: all powerful in a way, but when it comes down

660
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: to it, we are not. And that is a little

661
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: bit humbling and scary to think about. So the most

662
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: terrifying animal, I think, which is also an animal that

663
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: I really love, and that's chimpanzees. So they are they're adorable,

664
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: they are amazing, There are close relatives, and they you know,

665
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: are highly intelligent, and they're absolutely terrifying in a way

666
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: that I mean, it's like, I guess it is because

667
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: they're so close to being human that they're so scary,

668
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: because there's a certain like with when you know, if

669
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: a line eats you, it's just being a lion, it's

670
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: just trying to you know, get its next meal. But

671
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: a chimpanzee, like they could be kind of sadistic in

672
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: a human way, and that is there's something very uncanny

673
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: about that. So they are they they they kind of

674
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: scare me not you know, like obviously I I still

675
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: really love them because they are they are incredible and

676
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: incredible species, but they you know, in the same way

677
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: that I love humanity. But humans can be the scariest

678
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: things in the world to me. That's well said. I

679
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: definitely mean too. I love chimpanzees. I think they're really fascinating, intelligent,

680
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: complex creatures. But uh, there's a couple like there's a

681
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: few misconceptions about them that I feel like people kind

682
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: of like overlook one is the whole people believe there's

683
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: like this myth that they're like five to eight times

684
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: stronger than any given man. It's more like one point

685
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: five to time stronger. The thing is they have they're

686
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: just riddled with extra fast witch muscles so they can

687
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: react faster. Um. There, they basically have four hands, like

688
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: their legs function just the same. They're incredibly strong. They

689
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: have a really powerful bite force. Um. And number two

690
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: is that chimpanzees are predators. They're not like they're not

691
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: like the her befores that a gorillas are that orangutan

692
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: fans are. Uh. They actively hunt other animals like Columbus monkeys,

693
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: and Columbus monkeys aren't small, they're like pretty big seeing

694
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: them in person, bush babies, they've been known to use

695
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: spears to hunt bush babies. But yeah, and they hunt

696
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: almost the exact same way. Well not, it is the

697
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: exact same way we did. Like they have drivers animals

698
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: that will the chimps that will go in and like

699
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: freak the animals out and stape and then they have Yeah,

700
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: they have got they have a chimp stations, specifically the

701
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: more experienced ones in the group that will ambush the

702
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: animal and like just like cut off. It's cut it

703
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: off its path, and once it catches it, they all

704
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: like home in on it and just literally just tear

705
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: it to shreds. But the part that really freaks me

706
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: out about chimp's they will they can like commit calculated

707
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and coordinated acts of violence the same way humans do. Like, uh,

708
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: it's rare for it to be within a troop, but

709
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: that can happen where basically chimps are like people. They

710
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: form alliances, they form friendships, but everything is calculated. So

711
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: if they feel like one chip might be a threat

712
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: to it, especially in the hierarchy, because chimps are like

713
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: male dominated, they can get they can get good with

714
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: some guys in the truth, and they will jump this

715
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: other chimp. And that's it sounds it might sound funny

716
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: the way I'm describing, that's literally what will happen. There

717
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: are videos, obviously they're pretty graphic, but well of chimps

718
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: just committing like acts of violence against their own, tearing

719
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: them apart, and they don't just kill them. They know

720
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Speaker 1: what's important to a chimpanzee. They know the same thing

721
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: with a human. They know it's important to a human.

722
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Speaker 1: So it's almost like they draw out like the way

723
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: they torture you. And that's why with chimp attack victims,

724
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: the ones that survived that is, they all have the

725
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: same like injuries. They have a disfigured face, they're missing fingers,

726
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: if not entire hands, their feet. They go for genitals

727
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: because they know that that's important. They know what that does,

728
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: they know the implication of losing that. So they like

729
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: if you see like a rival chimp that was attacked

730
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: by other chimps, it's usually missing it's genitalia. And that's

731
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: just how it's just these guys can be. Yeah, yeah,

732
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean it reminds me of like human warfare. Like

733
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I think it was some god

734
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: it might have been some kind of Greek thing. I'm

735
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: sure I'm getting getting it wrong, but there was something

736
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: where there is some some ancient war and basically they

737
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: cut off the enemies genitals to like prove that they had,

738
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, defeated this enemy. And it's yeah, I mean

739
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I think that you're exactly right that it's the ability

740
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: for these animals to kind of calculate things that is

741
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: so unsettling. Like they, like you said, they can form

742
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: these alliances so male chimps were arranged in this dominance hierarchy,

743
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: with dominant males sometimes violently enforcing their authority, but sometimes

744
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the weaker males will form these alliances and to together

745
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: they can take down a more dominant chimpanzee that otherwise

746
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: they would not be able to take down. Uh. And

747
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: so they can like basically form a coalition, decide to

748
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: either murder or intimidate another chimpanzee and enact that plan. Um.

749
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: But they're also like kind of fickle, so they can

750
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: back stab each other. So if a better opportunity arises, um,

751
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: they can totally turn on each other. I mean, like,

752
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure the the drama that happens in a chimpanzee

753
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: troop is something that could be put on you know, HBO.

754
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: It can get very very messy, messy drama and also

755
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: very violent drama. You know, they are they are highly social,

756
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: so they're not constantly attacking each other. There can be harmony,

757
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: there can be you know, like they like to groom

758
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: each other to sort of affirm social bonds. Um. But

759
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: you know, they can be quite violent, and they can

760
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: even be violent within the same group. The worst violence

761
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: is like out of outside of their own group. There

762
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: can be these really really vicious I mean, they're it's

763
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: basically wars, like wars with other groups over territory, just

764
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: like humans do. So I would say it's like, you know,

765
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't think chimpanzees are evil, but they are unnervingly

766
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: like humans. You know, there are so they're they're that

767
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: kind of the capacity for violence and their motivations for it. Uh.

768
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: It's similar to humans. Although I'd say humans, we uh

769
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: did evolve to become more gentle, to become more cooperative. Uh,

770
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: And so that is that's good news for us, that

771
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: that we are not quite so um grumpy, I would say,

772
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: as chimpanzees are, which which is good, Which is probably

773
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that we have been so successful.

774
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: Is that greater cooperation and more capacity for being gentle

775
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: and less being less prone to fly into a rage

776
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: than chimpanzees are. Yeah. I think that's probably the most

777
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: eerie thing about them is just that they share nine

778
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: of their DNA with humans and you can see it.

779
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know, if you there, they will, like

780
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: like I said, they'll commit these coordinated attacks against other

781
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: troops if you see if they you see it, happen,

782
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: like they walk in single file lines, and once they

783
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: leave their territory, they go completely silent. Every once in

784
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: a while they'll stop and just listen for other chimps

785
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: and try to gauge how many other chimps are in

786
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: this rival group. And once the leader like says gives

787
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: the go ahead, they just go in attack. They'll take

788
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: like sticks and like bang them against the base of trees.

789
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: They'll scream and shout, trying to make themselves seem like

790
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: there's more of them than they actually are, and they

791
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: will specifically go after the children, and like it can

792
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: get incredibly like grizzly, to the point where they will

793
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: tear apart like infant chimpanzees and then just cannibalize them

794
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: and just share them with the rest of the troopings.

795
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: That part might not be too human or no won

796
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: humans now, like they have theories about caveman and what

797
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: their diets consisted of. I don't know if you can

798
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: talk about that here, but it's you'll see it. But like, yeah,

799
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing with chimp's And the thing is chimp's,

800
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: like like humans, they have different personalities. They're not all

801
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: like raising psychopaths, but like they are humans, but without

802
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: the social construct, there is no jail, there is no like,

803
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: there's just survival and act and just acting in your

804
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: best interest, like not selfishness. It has like a negative connotation,

805
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: but like in the you have to be selfish, like

806
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: in the wild. And that's what you see with chimps

807
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and the way they'll form these alliances, the way they

808
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: can backstad each other, the way they can decide they

809
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: don't like another chimpanzee. Like there was one one of

810
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: the worst like chimp attacks that I'd like to seen,

811
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Like it was on YouTube. It got like taken down

812
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: a while ago, but it was just it was it

813
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: was a u within the truth too. There's just one chimpanzee.

814
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: He just seemed to have the wrong like type of personality.

815
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: He was like very outgoing, very ambitious, but he also

816
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: wasn't like it's weird to say people person but he

817
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: wasn't great at forming alliances with the other chimps. But

818
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: he was also acting like he was like higher up

819
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: than he really should have been. They didn't like that,

820
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: and one day, maybe like ten to fifteen of them

821
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: just converged on him and beat him down. To the

822
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: point where one of the older, like higher ranking mails

823
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: stepped in and like stopped it. But by the time

824
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: they did, he was mortally wounded. It was clear and

825
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't welcoming the troop, and like two days later

826
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: researchers found his body. That's that's not super like common

827
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: within the troop, but like chimpa chip homicide is, like

828
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and it's really it's ugly when it

829
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: happens that humans. You see just how strong and a

830
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: motivated chip can be. Yeah, that is yeah, it's I

831
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: think so. So wild chimps don't tend to attack humans.

832
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: They are pretty smart in terms of avoiding humans because

833
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: we know we are bad news. Um, but captive chimps

834
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: are the ones who are the most dangerous, even though

835
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's ironic, right because it's like, if we've

836
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: raised a chimpanzee and like quote unquote tamed it, it

837
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: seems like could be safer than a wild chimpanzee, but

838
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: it's not because it's actually bolder because it's not afraid

839
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: of humans, and it also has more opportunity to attack humans.

840
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: So so captive chimp panzees are actually quite a bit

841
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: more dangerous than a wild chimpanzee, because wild chimpanzee is

842
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: probably just gonna like run away from you. It's not

843
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: necessarily going to want to. I mean, the chimp attacks

844
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: do happen in the wild, but they generally want to

845
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: avoid people if they can, if they feel that they can. UM.

846
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, the these scariest attacks have been from pet chimpanzees.

847
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: And I say pet in sort of the loosest possible

848
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: version of the term. I do not think that pretty

849
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: much any primate really can be kept as a pet.

850
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean, strictly speaking, people do it, but

851
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: it's not you know, they are not domesticated animals. Uh,

852
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: their lives with a human aren't going to be fulfilling

853
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: for them. And it is especially for something like a

854
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: chimpanzee that's very smart, has a lot of social needs,

855
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: and is very very strong. That's like a recipe for disaster.

856
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: And you mentioned something earlier that I think is really interesting,

857
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: so that the that chimpanzees, No, they're not like five

858
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: times as strong as a human, but they are pound

859
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: for pounds stronger than us, and they're about one and

860
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: a half time stronger than us. Um even though they're

861
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: only like there maybe about five ft tall, a hundred

862
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: and fifty centimeters tall, maybe fifty pounds. They're not that huge. Um.

863
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: But you said you mentioned those, um, those fast twitch

864
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: muscle fibers, So those are the more powerful muscle fibers,

865
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: but they fatigue more quickly, so they are able to

866
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of go into this like a berserker mode, whereas

867
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: humans don't have as much density of these fast which

868
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: muscle fibers. RS are actually a little better for endurance,

869
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: which has actually suited us really well, It's been very

870
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: successful for humans. UM. But yeah, we don't have as

871
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: much of that like sort of instant access to you

872
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: this like incredible strength that chimpanzees do. So so yeah,

873
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: and if it's a chimpanzee versus a human, um, often

874
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: the chimpanzee will come on top um and it is

875
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: it is very scary, like they are capable of a

876
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: lot of damage. And yeah, it's you know, like like

877
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I think when these famous cases of chimpanzees,

878
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: like they can you know, destroy your entire face, amputate

879
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: your hands. Uh, it is, it's very it's upsetting, and

880
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it is it is a kind of harrowing

881
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: reminder that these are not pets. These are not fun,

882
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: goofy little like trainable, you know, circus pets that we

883
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: can just have and feel this sort of entitlement over. Yeah,

884
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something people forget a lot. Like

885
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: they are predators, Like owning a chimp is really no

886
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: different from owning like a grizzly bear, Like it is

887
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: an incredibly intelligent predator that cannot be tamed. And I

888
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: think the most famous chimp attack of vault was definitely

889
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: what happened with Charlotte Nash with Travis back in a

890
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: thousand nine. People that don't know there was this lady

891
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: Santra nats Um No uh Sandra Herald. She had a chimpanzee, Travis,

892
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 1: that she raised as a baby. Um just she raised

893
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: him as a human, uh, taught him. He knew how

894
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: to drive cars. He would drink out of wine glasses

895
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: with drink actual wine. Actually, um, it's part of the family.

896
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: But the thing with chimps is um they are in

897
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: terms of strength, they are about they might be the

898
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: same or slightly inferior to humans up until about five

899
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: years old. Once they start to hit like puberty, especially

900
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: the males that's when things change. They become a whole

901
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: lot stronger, their attitude changes because around that time they

902
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: probably be fighting for like their place in the hierarchy

903
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: in a troop. Uh, that's when they're like, um, there's

904
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: that's when their sexual maturity hits. UM. So with Travis,

905
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: he was raised around humans his entire life, never saw

906
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: another him, so he's not engaging in any of those

907
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: like natural instincts that he still has. He obviously there's

908
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: no female ship for Travis and UM. Eventually, unfortunately, Sandra,

909
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: his owner's husband, passed away. Uh. He was affected by that.

910
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Travis he exhibited signs that he was like depressed and

911
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: like breathing, but Sandra was also depressed and she couldn't

912
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: really take care of Travis the way that she was before. Also,

913
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: he had some incidents outside where people believed it wasn't

914
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: safe for him to really be outside, although since he

915
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: was around and everyone was familiar with him, nobody thought

916
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: to have him taken away. So now he was confined

917
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: to the house. After seeing after being allowed to be outside,

918
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: he was confined into the house. He was well overweight

919
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: UM eventually that he was put on Zanex to deal

920
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: with like his u Yeah, emotional issues that he had.

921
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: It was it was a matter of time and like that,

922
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: like he was going to it was gonna happen eventually,

923
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it happened with with Charlotte Nash and like

924
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: the worst possible way. But like with chimps, they have

925
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: two ways of really hurting you. One is like, well,

926
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: I guess three, but so one would be just bludgeoning

927
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: you with their arms, and again there's so much stronger

928
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: than people, so like it. It feels like imagine if

929
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: somebody hitting you full force, like not holding back at

930
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: all with their like four arms or their elbows. They're

931
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: like kicking you and that's like multiplied because this ship

932
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: might actually be trying to kill you. Two is that

933
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: they'll bite. They'll bite at the face. They have powerful

934
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: again their predators, they're not just herbivore, so they have

935
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: teeth designed to like tear through flesh and they'll do that.

936
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: They go for the face because they know that's how

937
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: to really conflict damage. Sometimes they'll go out of their

938
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: way to gauge your eyes out, uh. And then three

939
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: would be they have hands and they'll just tear at you.

940
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: With chimps it's like, like you said, you made a

941
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: good point that chimps they have all the muscles, best

942
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: switch muscles, but they're not really built for endurance. You

943
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: can see that in those differences and how we hunt.

944
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: We were long distance runners, so we would just chase

945
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: prey and no matter how far I would run, eventually

946
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: we will catch up. It would get exhausted, and then

947
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: we would hunt them. Chimps focus all their energy into

948
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: one like explosive like charge to like catch their their

949
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: prey off guard. So with chimps, a lot of times

950
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: they'll attack you and then kind of just rest a

951
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: little bit while you're there, and then especially if it's

952
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: if it's a group um attack, one chip will like

953
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: make this a long call and they'll like kind of

954
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: just initiate it all over again. Like these chimp attacks

955
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: can if there it's not put down, it can last

956
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: a very long time where it's not killing you, but

957
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: it's like slowly chipping away. It's taking time to like

958
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's truly awful and it's like um, yeah,

959
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's never pretty when the chimp's involved.

960
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: And for the chimp, it's like a miserable way to live.

961
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, if there's something that intelligent, Like that's another

962
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: conversation you can have about whether chimps really can be

963
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: in captivity. It is an animal that intelligent, that has

964
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: a level of self awareness, and the fact that it's

965
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: like behind a cage or like it lives a certain way,

966
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: and it sees people in rats with people, but it's

967
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: like from behind the glass, it's they're probably there's probably

968
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot going on in its head to the point

969
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: where like now they they're there's actively like trying to

970
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: act out or they're engaging in like delicious like acts,

971
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: because that's kind of what boredom can do. That's why

972
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: I like animals in captivity are much more dangerous than

973
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: once in a while, Like workers are the best example.

974
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: While dominant apex predator like of the world, like not

975
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: just the ocean of the world never killed a human

976
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: in the wild, multiple like um kills like captivity. Same

977
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: thing with tigers. Most tiger deaths these days, Well I

978
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: guess that might not be true, but like there's a

979
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: high density of tigers in America. I think there's more

980
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: tigers in America than in the rest of the world,

981
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: Like combined. That's where like most of her especially like

982
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: more captive than yeah, than they exist in the wild. Yeah,

983
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I think it's also I think

984
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason. I mean that I feel

985
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: that it's it's not just fear when it comes to chimpanzees.

986
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: There's something deeply unsettling about it. And I think it's

987
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: the empathy that I feel for them, because you know,

988
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: they have, like animals have minds, chimpanzees have a very

989
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: very intelligent mind and so they can have you know,

990
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: mental health um needs, and if those mental health needs

991
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: aren't met, they can suffer mentally. And then but on

992
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: top of that, they don't have the same moral reasoning

993
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: that humans have. And so a chimpanzee who is suffering mentally,

994
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: like I think it sounds like Travis was um. You know,

995
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: they can act in a way that is, you know,

996
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: basically an expression of their suffering or their anger or whatever.

997
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: But they don't necessarily understand exactly what they're doing, so

998
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily have the moral reasoning of thinking like oh,

999
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm gonna like do something bad to

1000
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: this person or something. They don't necessarily you know, we

1001
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: we don't know how Obviously we can't step into the

1002
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: consciousness of a chimpanzee, so we don't know exactly what

1003
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: they're thinking. But I don't think that they have the

1004
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: same meta cognition that a human would. And so there's

1005
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: something like I don't know. I mean, I can't say

1006
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: anymore without spoiling the movie. Nope, but I would say,

1007
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: if you have a capacity for watching horror movies and

1008
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: this idea of you know, of having empathy for an

1009
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: animal that's also kind of scary, like, you should definitely

1010
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: watch the movie. But it's yeah, it is. I think it.

1011
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: It's such a it's such an important thing to respect

1012
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: animals in terms of not just in terms of how

1013
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: they can be dangerous towards us, but also in terms

1014
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: of like their their emotional needs, their emotional state, and

1015
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: that an animal who does something that's terrifying to us,

1016
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: like maulling a person, like, well, let's find out why

1017
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: they did that, not blaming the person who was mold necessarily.

1018
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: But there is a problem I think when we um

1019
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: when we try to, when we have sort of the

1020
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: hubris to think that we can incorporate wild animals neatly

1021
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: into our human lifestyles that I think we need to

1022
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of kind of face and realize that it's not

1023
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: a wild animal is intelligent, they have a mind, they

1024
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: have emotions, but they aren't necessarily they're not you know,

1025
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: little furry humans that we can like you know, bring

1026
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: into our our society and then like have you know,

1027
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: have them perform tricks for us and you know, have

1028
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: as a form of entertainment. Yeah. I really think it

1029
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: just goes back to people just placing human traits on animals,

1030
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of times people will do that's kind

1031
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: of rationalized exploiting them, whether it's exploiting them as a

1032
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: house pet that has no business being there or in

1033
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: Travis this case, he was used in commercials, TV shows

1034
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: things like that. These animals don't really have the understanding

1035
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: that you do. So like if an animal is upset

1036
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: and like you're reacting in a certain way, it's not

1037
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: gonna rationalize that, Okay, it's you know what I mean.

1038
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: So like that's how these attacks can happen. So a

1039
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: big example that I'd like to use, are you familiar

1040
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: with Grizzly Man? Yes, yes, I am Timothy Treadwell. Yeah,

1041
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: So basically Uh. The important thing is he wasn't like

1042
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: a zooalgist or a biologist or anything. I think he

1043
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: was like a failed actor or something. He went down

1044
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: like bad path. One of his friends introduced him to

1045
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: the landscape of I believe it was Alaska. He went

1046
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: to Alaska and he witnessed brown bears, and it was

1047
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of like this epiphany that he had that he

1048
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: wanted to study these bears, which is great, but the

1049
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: way he went about it, he would uh but I

1050
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: think it was about thirteen years that he would just

1051
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: go camp out in the Alaska wilderness. He would get

1052
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: really close to these bears and he claimed to like

1053
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: have their trust, that they had an understanding. And again,

1054
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: you can't really you can't tame a predator. You never

1055
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: you never can. But he got away with it for

1056
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: so long that people thought there was some truth to

1057
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: like what he was doing. And I will give him

1058
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: credit for he was He actively tried to be an

1059
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: advocate for these bears, trying to have people see them

1060
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: as other than like killing machines. Um. But eventually that's

1061
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: kind of that went like he went so far in

1062
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: that direction and he kind of like did a three

1063
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: sixty and then like kind of like made it worse

1064
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: for them. So basically like he started getting cocky with

1065
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: these bears. He was getting really close to bear cubs,

1066
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: really close to them around um. I think that's what

1067
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: when it happened. So like bears, obviously they have to hibernate,

1068
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: so they have to they have to basically go on.

1069
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: They pretty much bulk the most part they quoth were

1070
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: they've taken as many calories as possible. Obviously resources, the

1071
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: competition for resources gets really intense, so that's like the

1072
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: worst time to be around like in bear territory, especially

1073
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: if it's around males. So he went around that time

1074
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: right the maybe two to three months before hibernation were

1075
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: there at their most like irritable when people told him

1076
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: not to. Not only that, like but he also he

1077
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: placed his tent around a well known bear trail to

1078
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: the point where if a bear wanted to access like uh,

1079
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I guess it was like a stream where they can

1080
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: get sam and it would have to walk right past

1081
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: his tent. I think he even brought his girlfriend with him,

1082
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: and she was afraid of but he's been he had

1083
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: been doing it for like thirteen years. I guess she

1084
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: trusted him, so it was I remember the day, it

1085
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: was October five. I think he sent like either a

1086
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: message or a call whatever. He said to a friend

1087
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: talking about the landscape. He was like, yeah, the bears

1088
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: are great. Uh they're acting a little bit weird, but

1089
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here anyway. This is amazing. The very

1090
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: next day they found their bodies halfy and uh the

1091
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: first part was right when the attack started, a camera

1092
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: was rolling, the legs was on. You can still hear it,

1093
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: so like, there was this six minute audio of this

1094
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: man being eaten alive by a grizzly bear that I

1095
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was a bear that he actually

1096
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: knew of her. It was just some freaking it was.

1097
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: I think it was a bear he was not as

1098
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: familiar with, but he still tried to approach. It was

1099
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: not yet another sort of mistake he made among many, Yeah,

1100
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: among them exactly. And uh yeah, a six minute audio

1101
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: of him just slowly that because that's the thing with bears,

1102
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: like big cats, still kill their prey, usually take it

1103
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: somewhere where they don't have to worry about competition from

1104
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: other predators. Uh, Animals like bears, like wild dogs, hyenas,

1105
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: they just tear into you, like whether you're alive or not.

1106
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: And that's what happened. Like the bear incapacitated him and

1107
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: just ate him, and his girl was there. She's screaming,

1108
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: So what happens next The bear comes after her. And

1109
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: the audio never was released. People say they've heard it,

1110
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: they've heard re enactments re enacting. Yeah, because I think

1111
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: I didn't. Wasn't it or Herzog who like listened to

1112
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: the audio and decided because like he was listening to

1113
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: it for the family to to try to determine whether

1114
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: they should hear it or not, and he was like,

1115
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: nobody should hear this. It's it's like this would be

1116
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: too traumatizing. So it's never been Thankfully, you know, it's

1117
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: never been released. I think that's that's a merciful thing

1118
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: for the family not to not to have that out there.

1119
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: But god, yeah, it's I remember when I read about that,

1120
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: I had nightmares that I was like listening to the audio,

1121
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: but of course it doesn't exist, but the imagination can

1122
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: can fill in the blanks in a very terrifying way.

1123
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this was true, but I heard

1124
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: a report saying that he were a cant of saying

1125
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: that he kind of wished that he had released it

1126
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: just to like have people understand just what theirs are

1127
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: capable of, because I feel like people still haven't really learned. Um.

1128
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: But ultimately, like, and this is where I kind of

1129
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: have to take back the credit I gave him. He

1130
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: said he tried to be an advert for these bears.

1131
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: All he did was like he got himself like killed

1132
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: by a bear. So and what happens to the bear

1133
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: that they had to hunt the bear down kill it,

1134
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: And now people are hearing about this horrific bear tyme

1135
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because once a bear like

1136
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: kills a human, they it's like, well, you the bear

1137
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: can't see humans as a source of food and go

1138
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: and hunt someone else down. So then they have to

1139
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: go and euthanize it. And it's I mean, it's just

1140
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: it's bad, bad news all around. I mean, it's such

1141
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: a horrifying thing to happen to anyone, um. But yeah,

1142
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's just we we I think it is

1143
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: this like sense of we're so insulated as humans because

1144
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: we've protected ourselves with our society, with with all of

1145
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: our sort of innovations and our intelligence that um, you know,

1146
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes that can lend itself to this

1147
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: idea that we are not prey anymore. We're not we're

1148
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: not in danger. You know, We're not you know, nothing

1149
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: could view us as pray, right because humans were like

1150
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: on top of the food chain and that is not

1151
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: not true at all. Yeah, And whether it's with Travis

1152
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: or the bear, or Siegfried and Roy and their tiger

1153
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: montoc or it's just there's like a level of arrogance

1154
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: that some people can get where they feel like they

1155
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: have complete control over this wild animal. And really it's

1156
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: like we are where we are at because of intelligence.

1157
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Mostly because of intelligence. There's obviously physical attributes that we have,

1158
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: like being able to run for a really long period

1159
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: of time, being able to I think we might be

1160
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: one of the no we are We we can throw

1161
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: things with accuracy that other animals don't have, just based

1162
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: on like us having thumbs and hands and the way

1163
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: our shoulders are placed. But ultimately, like one on one,

1164
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: we can't do anything with these predators, especially something like

1165
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: a bear or a tiger or a chimpanzee, things that

1166
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: hunt for a living, you know, So there's like it

1167
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: if you can raise them as a baby, you can

1168
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: try to, like you can't. They're not human though, And

1169
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: all it takes is like one moment of them referting

1170
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: back to their predatory instincts. It doesn't even have to

1171
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: be a predator, but just that's when like things can happen,

1172
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: and ultimately that animal gets put down because of it,

1173
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: exactly in our language doesn't align with them. Like for chimps,

1174
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: like with humans, eye contact and smiling is a nice thing.

1175
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: It's you know, showing the other person like, hey, I'm friendly,

1176
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: how's it going. If you do that to a chimp,

1177
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: you're basically telling it like hey, you know, like you

1178
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: man like, and it's like a confrontation because like eye

1179
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: contact and showing your teeth is very confrontational for a chimpanzee.

1180
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: So like you can't walk up to a chimpanzee act

1181
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: like a human and have it understand what you're trying

1182
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: to say, what your what your body language means, because

1183
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: it can mean something very different. And I think in

1184
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: cases where we successfully have pets, like with dogs and cats,

1185
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: these are cases, and I mean especially for dogs, we

1186
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: have selected over thousands and thousands of years and co

1187
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: evolved with them to the point where our styles of

1188
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: communication can interlock. So like we can communicate with a

1189
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: dog when we see a dog. We although sometimes people

1190
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: can mistake body language of dogs, for sure, a lot

1191
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: of the dog's body language is readable by us, and

1192
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: they can actually read our body language fairly well. They

1193
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: can read our facial expressions are intonation. So it's like,

1194
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: this is why dogs and also cats, you know, are

1195
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: quite good pets, whereas something like a chimpanzee, a grizzly bear,

1196
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: a kangaroo. These you know, they can't really you know,

1197
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: they can only be tamed inasmuch they can be habituated

1198
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: to humans, but they can't really be tamed. They can't.

1199
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: They are not pets. Uh. And you know, we we

1200
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: can't make them into pets unless we had some kind

1201
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: of like you know again try to uh selectively bread

1202
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: them over thousands and thousands of years, which I don't

1203
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: see the point in doing that either. Yeah. My favorite

1204
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: line in the entire our movie, no spoiler, but he's um.

1205
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: They said something about you can't tame a predator. Is

1206
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: the best you can do is enter an agreement with one, right,

1207
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that a lot of people

1208
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: forget and that's when these incidents happen. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, man, Yeah,

1209
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it's it is such a good movie for

1210
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: evolutionary biologists, but it's also such nightmare fuel because like

1211
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: all of it, it's just because they did their research

1212
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: for that movie, I can really tell. So it's yeah,

1213
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: it's it's very it's very good. But because they were

1214
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: so thorough with the research and it is so realistic,

1215
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: that is it's it makes it quite scary. Oh definitely.

1216
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: So um before we go. At the end of every episode,

1217
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to play a little game called Guess Who's Squawking?

1218
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 1: It's a mystery animal sound game. Every week I play

1219
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a mystery animalsound now called gets who Squawking? But it

1220
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: can be any animal in the world, not necessarily a bird,

1221
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: any animal. Uh and uh, you the listener and you

1222
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: the guests, try to guess who is walking so uh.

1223
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: Last week's hint was there's nothing deadly or sinful about

1224
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: this cutie. Uh. And this is a sound. I honestly

1225
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: had no idea this is what this animal sounded like

1226
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: until I googled it. So here it is. Ah ah, Well,

1227
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: can you guess he's making that sound. Ver if I

1228
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: heard this, is it? Ah? I get hints. Well, the

1229
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: hint is there's nothing deadly or sinful about this cutie. Um,

1230
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: do you need any anymore? Like? You can ask me

1231
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: a question and I can answer, is yes, not domesticated?

1232
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: Is it? Can I hear it again? Yes? You can.

1233
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: It is good job you are. You're like an encyclopedia

1234
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: for animal knowledge, so I'm not surprised that you got this.

1235
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: But yet I was wondering where I heard that from.

1236
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: There's compilations of like babys off like it's like pre serotonine.

1237
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 1: I loved it. I recommended anyone yourself. It is iron

1238
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: ear medicine for the soul. It's wonderful. Yes, I had

1239
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: no idea this is what they sounded like until I

1240
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity googled, like, hey, what does slaw

1241
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: sound like? These are baby two toad Slavs. They are

1242
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: slaves found in Central and South America. I don't believe

1243
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: the adults make these sounds. I think this is just

1244
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: the babies because they are bleeding for their mothers, so

1245
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: they spend their first nine months of lives constantly attached

1246
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: to their mothers. And so when they're at like a

1247
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: rescue rehabilitation animal center, they will often be given teddy

1248
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: bears so they have something to hold onto to comfort them,

1249
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: which is really adorable. Also a little sad um, but yes,

1250
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: they will make this bleating noise until somebody picks them

1251
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: up or they get to cuddle a teddy bear, which

1252
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: is a door rble and makes me want to cry.

1253
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: And that is your wholesome fact for the week after this,

1254
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: after this show where we talked about animals eating your face,

1255
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: adorable baby sloth. So there you go, the shot and

1256
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: then the chaser. Congratulations to Julie P, Lily H, and

1257
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: Grant W the three fastest to correctly gives sloth, although

1258
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe I should have rewarded the three slowest guessers given

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Speaker 1: that you know it's sloth anyway, suggestion next one should

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Speaker 1: be Koalas asked them play play what they sound like

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Speaker 1: and then see if they can guess it, because if

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Speaker 1: they've never heard it before, they will never in a

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Speaker 1: million years guess that the huntingly, angry banshee screaming of

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Speaker 1: a koala. Yes they are, they are. They're interesting. I

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Speaker 1: understand why people like why Australians have the drop bear

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Speaker 1: mythos just based on when Koalas are screw mean angrily.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's like a hundred different types

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Speaker 1: of cryptids in Australia and I'm so sure half of

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Speaker 1: them originated from koalays. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like, how probably

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Speaker 1: all the cryptids in the US are either sandhill cranes

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Speaker 1: or coyotes with mange, and that's it, like all yours disappointed.

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Speaker 1: I remember as like, in like seventh grade, I saw

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Speaker 1: that video that went viral at the well, I guess

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01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: at the time of like that chupacabre. Then I revisited

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: it because I randomly this was curious about it ten

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Speaker 1: years later and I was like, oh wait, it's a coyote.

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Speaker 1: Coyote with maine. It's always a coyote with maine. Pretty

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Speaker 1: anti climatic. Yeah. Also, sometimes listeners send me in pictures

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Speaker 1: of like is this, like what species is this? Like

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Speaker 1: I found this and it looks like some kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, novel species in North America, and it's like

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Speaker 1: it's either coyote with mange, maybe a fox with mange.

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: When an animal gets mange and it messes up there

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Speaker 1: for it can make them like almost unrecognizable and look

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: very very creepy. But unfortunately it's just, you know, just

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Speaker 1: a sick animal. It's nothing scari or creepy, just sad um.

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Speaker 1: But onto this week's Mr Animals sound. The hint is

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Speaker 1: they sound like drunks on land and alien spaceships in

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Speaker 1: the sea, but they're always chill. Mm hmmmm h m

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Speaker 1: h m hm. That's them on land if it's the obvious,

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Speaker 1: So now this is them under the water. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have actually thought honest, so they're amphibious. Then, yes, they

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Speaker 1: were both. They spend time both on the land and

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Speaker 1: under the water. Oh, they are mammals. Yes, so that's

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Speaker 1: another free hint because the obvious one would be whales.

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Speaker 1: But then you said on land, so huh interesting Uh

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Speaker 1: okay sometimes cel c Line, I'm gonna say, oh it

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Speaker 1: is you're absolutely correct. Okay, okay, okay, because that's okay. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So you'll the listeners out there, you'll have heard a

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Speaker 1: cute little duck quack over what Mama do said. But

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Speaker 1: he did guess it correctly, and you'll have a chance

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: to guess it. If you think you know the answer,

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01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: you can write to me at Creature feature pod at

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. But I am very are impressed by

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: your animal sound guessing abilities. I don't think I could

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: have done that. Thank you. Took a couple of guesses

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Speaker 1: and a lot of hints. But uh yeah, definitely definitely

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Speaker 1: in an interesting one day. You would have to hear

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: it before to like guess that, Like I would not

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Speaker 1: have been able to guesst that. Just no no I

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: and like I had a listener from I think as

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Speaker 1: fair as Jabber who came on and recommended this animal

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Speaker 1: noise as one that is is quite strange, very otherworldly.

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like underwater, they sound like aliens, like alien spaceships.

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Speaker 1: It's it's kind of haunting in a way, but definitely

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Speaker 1: is uh. I don't know if I'm allowed to say

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Speaker 1: this part, so I guess you could like leap this out,

1318
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 1: but it's actually, uh, they used that to like find

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Speaker 1: like the little like breathing holes because they can like freeze.

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01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I should, Well, basically they use them to

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: find breathing holes that they might not have access to

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01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: because of where they live. So it's like I can't

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Speaker 1: describe it further without giving it away. You you just

1324
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: have to go see it on the next sure and

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Speaker 1: then YouTube it because it is freaky. Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a hard enough sound that getting

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01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: some more hints is definitely fair. Um. But yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's such an unexpected sound. Also, I'll say,

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Speaker 1: for such a cute animal where it sounds like there's

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: a there's there's a haunted ocean, but then you see them,

1331
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're just a little cute, aren't you. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. I really

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01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: appreciate having you on. You are an incredible font of

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01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: animal wisdom. Uh And I think people, if you like

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01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: this podcast, you will definitely like Mama Dow's TikTok. He's

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Speaker 1: also got a book out called um Animals that Can

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Speaker 1: End You UM, so if you like to the topic

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Speaker 1: of this episode, you will definitely like that book. Thank

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: They can find me on TikTok dot MGI underscore ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: They can find me on Instagram at the exact same

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Speaker 1: user name. I also have a YouTube channel. Realizing not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people know that UM or at least

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01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: not as many people that know me tikesfer Instagram, but

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Speaker 1: I do have a YouTube channel where I make longer

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Speaker 1: form content casual, geographic and uh yeah those are that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much the big three TikTok Instagram in a YouTube. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for reaching out to me. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's also stoked to be like fight it here. I'm

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01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: so happy to have you on this is this is wonderful.

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01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: This is so fun. Uh and thanks to you guys

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: for listening to the show. If you're enjoying it, uh,

1353
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: do leave a rating or review. I read all the reviews.

1354
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate all the writings and as always, appreciate you

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01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: guys listening. Um and uh yeah, if you if you

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Speaker 1: think you know this week's mry animal sound or you

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: have any questions, you can write to me at Creature

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Speaker 1: Feature Pod at gmail dot com. I'm also on twy

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Speaker 1: are at Creature feet Pod. That's f e a T

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Speaker 1: not e E T head is something very different. Uh

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Speaker 1: and thanks to the Space Classics for their super awesome

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Speaker 1: song Exo Lumina. Creature features a production of I Heart Radio.

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