Speaker 1: When there's a Housewives trip, you know it's going to
Speaker 1: be a drama filled episode. This one is a masterpiece,
Speaker 1: described by Christine Taylor, who is phenomenal and a fan.
Speaker 1: Her daughter's a fan. The Ladies of New York are
Speaker 1: heading to Miami, and the women find out Ramona made
Speaker 1: out with Harry Dubin and Sonya lashes out at Luana
Speaker 1: Ramona and the wheels come off. Ronnie superfan Christine Taylor
Speaker 1: joins me to recap this episode. This is real Housewives
Speaker 1: of New York Season eleven, episode thirteen. It's not you,
Speaker 1: It's Miami. Let's get into it. I'm a fan and
Speaker 1: I was really excited that you did this.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a weird question? Did you married now?
Speaker 1: Did you get back together? You're back?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're back together. We never divorced, we separated,
Speaker 2: we're back together. I know it's it's like it's so
Speaker 2: not newsworthy, but it seems to have I think it's
Speaker 2: so newsy in newsworthy. But yeah, I don't find it
Speaker 2: as newsworthy as others do.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think the only like Melanie Griff
Speaker 1: and Antonio Banderiz kept getting back together, and maybe, like
Speaker 1: Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, I think it's newsworthy. I
Speaker 1: just feel like, yeah, that's a common No, I broke
Speaker 1: up with someone that was like the love of my
Speaker 1: life for I don't know if it was a year
Speaker 1: and I was miserable, and it gives you perspective. Was
Speaker 1: it during the like me during during the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: it was exactly that it was. It was well for us.
Speaker 2: We found our way back during the pandemic because we
Speaker 2: were all forced to live under the same roof, So
Speaker 2: it could have gone either way.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, because distractions and life were part of it.
Speaker 1: And then well that's very interesting because mine was the opposite.
Speaker 1: And when I got COVID and I got it really bad,
Speaker 1: it was like I had like a four hundred and
Speaker 1: four and chattering teeth and like felt so alone and
Speaker 1: he was so amazing during that time. It's funny, I'm
Speaker 1: remembering now that was part of it. Like I felt
Speaker 1: needy for him. We weren't together because he was we
Speaker 1: were long distance, but it still like connected us. So yeah, funny,
Speaker 1: and we also but it ended like at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the pandemic because it was also wonky. It was
Speaker 1: like weird, it was mundane, and we were in twoday
Speaker 1: with States and it was just like every day is
Speaker 1: the same. Let's talk about the roast chicken you ate,
Speaker 1: and let's be on the treadmill and say nothing and like,
Speaker 1: h it's all blah and like we broke up. But
Speaker 1: then the same thing. So I just I don't know why.
Speaker 1: That's the first when I saw it. It's the first
Speaker 1: thing I thought. So I don't know why. But that's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what we're doing here. And on
Speaker 1: the other show, Jess b we could talk about that
Speaker 1: and relationships, but here we're to talk about very important things,
Speaker 1: way more than relationships and love. So you live in
Speaker 1: La No, I'm in New York.
Speaker 2: I'm right. Yes, we have been in New York since
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty yes, early twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, Like wow, I like became friends,
Speaker 1: you know, friends with Elizabeth moss on here, like we
Speaker 1: really like each other, so maybe maybe by the end
Speaker 1: we'll be friends.
Speaker 2: So you I was gonna say, we we have been
Speaker 2: like keeping our eyes peeled for you all over the
Speaker 2: you know course, watching this.
Speaker 1: I never I never leave the I never leave the house,
Speaker 1: by the way, same same, Yes, is that really true though,
Speaker 1: Like I really don't know that's it's bad.
Speaker 2: I really That's why the pandemic was, Like I am
Speaker 2: such an isolator, so the fact that people were saying,
Speaker 2: you can't leave your house was a gift. But no,
Speaker 2: I go out when there's like you're being paid, scheduled
Speaker 2: event paid to leave.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pay me, I'll leave. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We do a lot of ordering in yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the pandemic gave me. It's bad in a
Speaker 1: sense because it gave me permission to be more of
Speaker 1: who I really am and life still went on, so
Speaker 1: like I got more and more deep inside. Like the
Speaker 1: only the one reason that I loved being on reality TV,
Speaker 1: and there were many reasons, but one of the things
Speaker 1: was that, like, as a young woman in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I would walk to Starbucks with pimple medicine on in
Speaker 1: my pajamas, like sixty two bucks away. I didn't care,
Speaker 1: Like who cares on my pajamas, Let people pajama I
Speaker 1: I just always was a person who was a major homebody,
Speaker 1: and it would like I'd make plans next week and
Speaker 1: then have anxiety the whole day and not want to
Speaker 1: go and think of reasons and someone would cancel. I'd
Speaker 1: be so excited, like it was problem but life. Then
Speaker 1: when I got in the entertainment industry, I would have
Speaker 1: a reason to like put on clothes because I like
Speaker 1: buying stuff and put on makeup, and so the pandemic
Speaker 1: then was really like, this is weird. And then we're
Speaker 1: being allowed to never leave to work. So it's been
Speaker 1: almost bad because you're like I'm like Kim Beazinger, where
Speaker 1: it's like, no, like why would I leave? Why would
Speaker 1: I ever get?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: Movie from here? This week? It seems exciting, it was
Speaker 1: a big stars, I could wear a great outfit. I
Speaker 1: cancel because I'm like, why am I going? Why don't
Speaker 1: you seem.
Speaker 2: So social to me? And I know that's part of
Speaker 2: what the show was, and that was obviously what took
Speaker 2: you out of that comfort zone. I guess right, because.
Speaker 1: I'm interactive because I like banter. This show gave me
Speaker 1: another reason I've made friends that I've never even met.
Speaker 1: It you like my new pimpund now? Yeah, because think
Speaker 1: about have you ever think about it? You could not
Speaker 1: that you think about me, but like try to find
Speaker 1: me on a red carpet, like it's maybe like one
Speaker 1: Sprinkle year, because if you invite me to the Vanity
Speaker 1: Fair after party, I'll go, Sure it'll be.
Speaker 2: But you don't go to every single opening that you
Speaker 2: get invited to, and same. I always feel like I
Speaker 2: want to go see a Broadway show when there's no
Speaker 2: red carpet, I don't want to go to the opening.
Speaker 2: I want to see the show fly under the radar.
Speaker 2: I really, because it's just so much work.
Speaker 1: It's just well, if you go to the Broadway show
Speaker 1: and there's a red carpet, it doesn't matter that it's
Speaker 1: like sort of casual, like they're like, oh, it's Rock
Speaker 1: Center and it's like the night of the disco skating
Speaker 1: and I want to go because I like skating and
Speaker 1: it's a thing. And then I'm like, fine, who cares,
Speaker 1: it's a skating thing. I'll do my own makeup. And
Speaker 1: then that picture shows everywhere and other people look amazing.
Speaker 1: I look like a shipbox. So you got to spend
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars to go to a fucking movie from here?
Speaker 1: If there's a record it is, it is true.
Speaker 2: You have to get your glam. I agree, I agree,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So you've watched all them? Shows? Are just some?
Speaker 1: Do you have one over it? Where are you?
Speaker 2: And here is how it all came to pass. Last summer,
Speaker 2: My well, my daughter who's just turned twenty one, became
Speaker 2: a fan. Her best friend loved the show New York.
Speaker 2: You're all of you guys, and Ella was behind the
Speaker 2: game on it. Then she started watching it with her
Speaker 2: best friend. Then she got her wisdom teeth out last
Speaker 2: summer and she reeled in me and my our son,
Speaker 2: my son who is now he's almost eighteen. But we
Speaker 2: started watching and I want to say, the first episode
Speaker 2: she showed us so I don't know how many seasons
Speaker 2: in she was, but was was the uh Berkshire's Christmas,
Speaker 2: the classic. Yeah, it was all of it. It was,
Speaker 2: and so we were sucked in immediately to the craziness.
Speaker 2: But and then and then she just went because she
Speaker 2: had everything downloaded, so it wasn't like she was waiting
Speaker 2: to watch with us. So whenever she was like, do
Speaker 2: you guys want to watch some episodes, we would pop in.
Speaker 5: So and she liked New York in particular your son
Speaker 5: only New York, only New York.
Speaker 2: She just started, and she'll yell at me if I
Speaker 2: get this wrong. But she she's getting more into Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills now. But it's not the same, That's what she
Speaker 2: has said.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not the same. Because what I realized today,
Speaker 1: which we're going to get into, like, you know, the
Speaker 1: thing is when you're in it, and you know this
Speaker 1: from doing TV, I think it's different, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you're in a kitchen and you're watching different
Speaker 1: INGREDI and then like four days before so degrading as
Speaker 1: people on this cast. Four days before we get the
Speaker 1: episode like Jen Pop basically for and like so we're
Speaker 1: just cramming through to see what like covers we have
Speaker 1: to hide under for something we said, and then it's
Speaker 1: on and you don't even watch it. When it's on,
Speaker 1: you just want to know, like what hits you're taking.
Speaker 1: So you didn't really enjoy it because it's just like
Speaker 1: you can't you two in it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So now I'm watching this and I'm like watching it
Speaker 1: like a person, and I'm just one of the characters
Speaker 1: on there, and I appreciate it and I understand what
Speaker 1: New York is different. About I mean, New York is
Speaker 1: slobbery and messy and like it's smart, but it's it's
Speaker 1: met it's really fucking it's not perfect, Like all our
Speaker 1: luggage is so chaotic, and we don't mind looking like
Speaker 1: train wrecks and Beverly Hills. It looks like it's like
Speaker 1: a like thing, like a little shiny, like diny little
Speaker 1: mark on everything. Like everything is to be so perfect.
Speaker 1: We are not glossed over. We're like, no, it's tressy,
Speaker 1: it's real, which I love.
Speaker 2: And when I found out what episode we were supposed
Speaker 2: to watch, you know, to talk about today, I watched
Speaker 2: it out of context. Then I opened the last few
Speaker 2: days watched the entire season and then and then of
Speaker 2: course went to start it and realize you left right
Speaker 2: after the season, so I was like, I got to
Speaker 2: see your hey Day final season and yes, yes, and I.
Speaker 1: Will say, I'm going to tell you a lot of
Speaker 1: behind the scenes because so this is in my it
Speaker 1: is in my I think this is Listen, there's vintage
Speaker 1: me in like the blue sweater that I pulled out
Speaker 1: of the raggedy drawer that I bought at a vintage
Speaker 1: store with no makeup on and the one liners, and
Speaker 1: then there's this which is kind of me iconic because
Speaker 1: this is me working at like not meaning working at it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, working at it. Like I was going through
Speaker 1: a wretched ten year divorce. So when I came back,
Speaker 1: they paid me shit tons of money because they begged
Speaker 1: me to come back, and they paid me ship tons.
Speaker 1: Now I'm back and I'm gonna deliver because when when
Speaker 1: the campaign came back that I was coming back, it
Speaker 1: was the Bee is back. So it was like so
Speaker 1: much pressure and the bar the bar, and the ratings
Speaker 1: had plummeted from three million to one point six I
Speaker 1: think it was or one point four, like so half
Speaker 1: the audience was gone now, so it was gonna be
Speaker 1: not even back. Oh Bethany couldn't save it or she
Speaker 1: came back, No one cares. So I felt like I'm
Speaker 1: coming back, and like it was so much pressure because
Speaker 1: everyone was making a big deal about it and not
Speaker 1: just letting me glide on in. So I came back,
Speaker 1: and I also was going through a wretched divorce. Where
Speaker 1: my custody schedule was was if I was asking if
Speaker 1: I was getting paid ten million dollars to do something
Speaker 1: four months from Thursday I couldn't get a switch, and
Speaker 1: I was going through real stress. So I came back
Speaker 1: and I said to them, I'll take this boatload of money,
Speaker 1: but I won't work on nights that I have my daughter,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to work with my custody schedule.
Speaker 1: They took anything, and my boyfriend's not coming on and
Speaker 1: my daughter's not coming. Like I gave you this crazy menu.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So and I've never told that story about the a
Speaker 1: la carte menu, but I gave this crazy menu. So
Speaker 1: on this trip, I said, I was in three states
Speaker 1: in one day. I was working. So they're like, you
Speaker 1: have to come the whole time. The trips is the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I said, I can't. So I was there
Speaker 1: for three out of the five days, or two out
Speaker 1: of the four days. I came late and left early.
Speaker 2: That's what you say, you say, I'm I'm always the
Speaker 2: one coming late. I'm the last to arrive and the
Speaker 2: first to lead, right.
Speaker 1: So you have resentment from other people because I have
Speaker 1: special rules, right, and they know I'm getting paid a
Speaker 1: fuck time and I have to perform whilst there. And
Speaker 1: it turned out on this show they edited out the
Speaker 1: whole day after I left. They all went to some
Speaker 1: organic farm and the woman who runs the company was like,
Speaker 1: we need we need you because it's all gonna fucking
Speaker 1: be garbage and that shit's gonna be on the floor.
Speaker 1: So you come and you're like I and you can
Speaker 1: almost see it, Like I walk into the dinner and
Speaker 1: I'm like zero dark thirty, what I'm not check check check,
Speaker 1: go to Luand's room, check check, check. So and you
Speaker 1: go to bed check check check. So it's like I'm
Speaker 1: fucking slag and dragons and leave they're exhausted. So that's
Speaker 1: like a little context for like what era this was, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonta fucking deliver.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean you are so no nonsense. You
Speaker 2: are so no nonsense through all of it. When I
Speaker 2: when I watched the entire season, there is no question.
Speaker 2: It's like you are You're the talking behind backs and
Speaker 2: all You're like, no, I'm going right to the person
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like you'll talk about it, and then you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go straight. Where's the other girls? They'll
Speaker 2: talk about people behind each other's backs, but then let
Speaker 2: somebody else tell and that becomes the drama. But you
Speaker 2: bring it right to like you can just tell you
Speaker 2: are I just? I mean, it's a It's a beauty
Speaker 2: to watch because there is a lesson to be learned
Speaker 2: in you know, saying what you mean, meaning what you say.
Speaker 2: And you always say, I'm not trying to offend you
Speaker 2: or you know, there's that saying but don't say it mean.
Speaker 2: But you are the queen of being able to to
Speaker 2: go in and just put it on the table.
Speaker 1: It's appreciated.
Speaker 2: It's very fearless.
Speaker 1: I am fairly fearless, and I am into a direct
Speaker 1: to consumer model in all areas of life. Like I
Speaker 1: watched Sonya. Luanne said Sonya's taking pills, and Sonya told
Speaker 1: fucking Mickey Mouse and Donald Dot come back. It's like
Speaker 1: a circle jerk, and I just I don't got nobody
Speaker 1: and nobody got time, so so here we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this for everyone listening is exciting. And I love
Speaker 1: when people are I love I love when people are
Speaker 1: passionate about this. Some people come on and have never watched,
Speaker 1: but they put their back into it, and I love that.
Speaker 1: And but I love this. This is like Elizabeth Moss,
Speaker 1: you know, like a like a successful person coming on
Speaker 1: and like really has studied this like it's her most
Speaker 1: important work she's ever done. So here we are and
Speaker 1: this is this is one of my I did not
Speaker 1: realize this is one of my favorite episodes, and I
Speaker 1: have chosen because of this episode my legacy cast. Like
Speaker 1: I have a scenario where I come back. I am
Speaker 1: an ex producer in Vanity and name only. I don't
Speaker 1: really you know, I'm not gonna insult. I'm just want
Speaker 1: the I want the credit, credit seeker. I want the credit,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it's Bethany and the Blondes, be
Speaker 1: and the Blondes and it's me Tinsley, which I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have thought. But you need that little frosting otherwise it's
Speaker 1: all too like it's all like razor Blade, so you
Speaker 1: write frosted, right, So me Tinsley, and I like Tinsley.
Speaker 1: I do Derinda, Sonya and Ramona. It's messy and it's
Speaker 1: not it's good business. It's not that I love everyone
Speaker 1: want to hang out with him. It's good business. And aside,
Speaker 1: like a friend side, dish a quarter Luanne, okay, any side.
Speaker 1: I don't want the whole thing and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: But like literally she's.
Speaker 2: An Luyanne would be the Barbara to you, and she's
Speaker 2: the very.
Speaker 1: Barbara acted like a friend even though she was cast
Speaker 1: worst casting, possibly the worst casting in Housewives history. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but but Luanne is like a like a quarter character.
Speaker 1: She's a friend of her friend. She dips in and
Speaker 1: out and that's it. And these women would take that
Speaker 1: deal because they're not getting their legacy shout, they're getting
Speaker 1: a legacy trip. So they probably each getting paid one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand for a week. Did each take that deal.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't mind that I was getting paid boatloads of
Speaker 1: money because it's the only way I'd do it, and
Speaker 1: the vanity title because they want back off the bench coach,
Speaker 1: so that that's my cast. And Tinsley would probably only
Speaker 1: come back to the Housewives in that scenario because she
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to do it. But I would personally,
Speaker 1: you know, And I wouldn't have thought that when I
Speaker 1: was there. That's why I'm changing my perspective, Tinsley. I
Speaker 1: didn't think when I was there was like that great
Speaker 1: because sometimes it was like, all right, get out of
Speaker 1: the way with the big you know, the adults have
Speaker 1: to talk over here, right, And I like a little.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I like her, I've always liked her, but as a housewife,
Speaker 1: I appreciate her for how she fits into this puzzle
Speaker 1: piece of these Bethany and the Blondes.
Speaker 2: That's but Tinsley disappeared, too, right, and Leah came in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Tinsley disappeared and Leah came in and and
Speaker 1: Tinsley is not an excellent housewife. But she's a good
Speaker 1: solid player to get on the field sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 1: she's a good solid and she gets you know.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good sprinkling.
Speaker 1: She's not good with every like, she's not somebody who's
Speaker 1: just gonna get like Kelly Ben someone you're it's gonna
Speaker 1: go throw her in with everybody. She's not good with
Speaker 1: everybody's because because our dynastic Tinsley's good with me because
Speaker 1: it's unexpected and it would be nice. So that's where
Speaker 1: I stand with that. That's my that's my weird legacy
Speaker 1: cas that I've never thought of before. And I'm the
Speaker 1: words of the prophet Needy Leaks. I say what I said.
Speaker 1: I love it so more, more and more little tidbits
Speaker 1: for you. We are so messy and we always go
Speaker 1: in the messy trips. We don't go to like Bali
Speaker 1: or like you know, Dubai. We go to Miami, we
Speaker 1: go to Des Moines, like yeah, they may they make
Speaker 1: Kingston into you know, that's our Kingston is.
Speaker 2: Our Balie exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's like show. It was like, it's like we're
Speaker 1: there a Kathy Griffin life on the D List of Housewives.
Speaker 1: We're always like a wreck.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think it's everybody's favorite.
Speaker 1: It's a favorite. It's a favorite, and that it doesn't
Speaker 1: rate the highest, but it's more like arrested development or something.
Speaker 1: It's like a people people.
Speaker 2: Like it as I'd rather take that. Yes, exactly. Yes.
Speaker 1: So so let's start with Luanne and just Cabaret as
Speaker 1: a concept and her just her singing for Christmas, Like right, well.
Speaker 2: Well it starts with that, and it starts you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that is it's always that.
Speaker 2: That was the thing. The hook that Ella brought my
Speaker 2: son and I into too was Luanne's songs and she
Speaker 2: would play us the songs over the summer and I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe that it was it was real, it was
Speaker 2: and it was so auto tuned and very you know,
Speaker 2: what I mean, it was so overproduced, you know, And
Speaker 2: then I see her in the beginning of this episode
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, in her rehearsal, and she's it's
Speaker 2: not that she's tone deaf. And you guys talk about
Speaker 2: it later in the season at one or maybe you
Speaker 2: talk about it at the reunion at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where it's not that she sings badly. That's just not
Speaker 2: the strength. It's it's more bad.
Speaker 1: It's not that she sings badly, it's that she thinks
Speaker 1: it's that she's a bad singer. You didn't describe. It's
Speaker 1: that she's a bad singer, right, But what's the best?
Speaker 1: And I have a good callback. It's very Zoolander.
Speaker 2: It's you know what, that's you're right, because he's it's commitment.
Speaker 2: It's fully committed. It's and lacking a little bit of
Speaker 2: self awareness, right yet totally in the zone and fully committed.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I just thought that spot I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying that. But also it's very Housewives because
Speaker 1: like only on The Housewives, can you have can you
Speaker 1: like make a career out of not being able to sing?
Speaker 1: Kim Zolziak has ten billion dollars in probably fake diamond
Speaker 1: bracelets and is playing rich and now she in foreclosure
Speaker 1: and like oz I r s money, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be real, it doesn't have to be There
Speaker 1: were times when Sonia said she owned it, like was
Speaker 1: investing in a soccer team and fragrances and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: She by charat you could do a fashion show. Their
Speaker 1: head doesn't have to be clothing, right.
Speaker 2: And what happened to Luanne's Broadway debut too, that didn't
Speaker 2: seem to happen right. Remember she she talks about that
Speaker 2: she was cast in Chicago on Broadway and I don't, oh,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: You, look at you piling facts and it's been like tea,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I forgot about that because we
Speaker 1: probably didn't take it seriously. So cabaret just as it's
Speaker 1: and it's just cabaret, and like that could have been
Speaker 1: that's a satire movie. It's Saturday Night Live. It's like
Speaker 1: I am black and you are white? Here is blind?
Speaker 1: Does it beat your Star wars? Nothing? Yes, it is.
Speaker 2: She's talk singing a story. It's it's it's you know
Speaker 2: and and you know, and I feel like this starting
Speaker 2: it out because of where it goes later in the season,
Speaker 2: this episode in particular, of the of her getting ready
Speaker 2: for Christmas and saying this is very different from her
Speaker 2: cabaret show. This is a Christmas show because later, you
Speaker 2: guys are so done with seeing the shows, and there's
Speaker 2: the whole thing that happens later where the Christmas party,
Speaker 2: the surprise party scheduled on the same night, and and
Speaker 2: you guys don't go anyway, she is it just you know,
Speaker 2: and then and then it's it's it's Sonya coming in.
Speaker 2: And by the way, she's the only one who seems
Speaker 2: to call her Sonia.
Speaker 1: And she's because she because she's another thing. Another thing
Speaker 1: that can happen on the Housewives and with Madonna is
Speaker 1: you can make up your own accents and be European
Speaker 1: because you you once did a layover in Frankfurt.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't matter, it's not important.
Speaker 2: So that's not that would that would answer why she
Speaker 2: pronounces alcohol alcohol right, right?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm sure, yeah, exactly, it's there are a
Speaker 1: lot of influences that say, Turely, it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: It's just what they say. So, yeah, she's because she
Speaker 1: was from Connecticut, but also mild or you know, eight
Speaker 1: in an Italian restaurant. We don't know. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it's not important to see. Don't get don't get caught
Speaker 1: up in the truth.
Speaker 2: It's not I will not. I will not. You're clearing
Speaker 2: so much up for me right now.
Speaker 1: Facts don't matter at all. On the Auswives. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Sonia does seem high like I love Sonya so much,
Speaker 1: but she has mixed up the medications.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean too many. Even though you guys clear
Speaker 2: her of that, it feels as if there's something sort of,
Speaker 2: you know, being mismanaged. Yeah, high on life is not
Speaker 2: usually does not usually look like that, as it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, I don't know what she
Speaker 1: was doing overall. And I will say this as it
Speaker 1: pertains to drinking. I don't know how this affects anybody
Speaker 1: who's taking anxiety medication. I will tell you as a fact.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the problems I do have
Speaker 1: with the whole genre, because people like you and your
Speaker 1: kids are watching and it's entertaining because to you it
Speaker 1: is it is almost like watching Saturday Ight Live or Zoolander.
Speaker 1: But many of these women who go on the show
Speaker 1: end up like going on anxiety medication because of the show.
Speaker 1: So it's like this self created yeah of something that's
Speaker 1: like not real, but you're making money and your work,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's crazy. But you drink more when
Speaker 1: you're doing the show because like you're getting ready and
Speaker 1: everything seems exciting and it's like, let's have a drink,
Speaker 1: and it's nothing seems real. It's all like it's just
Speaker 1: something to do. It's like it's like eating pistachio nuts
Speaker 1: or smoking a cigarette. Like you walk in and you're
Speaker 1: just like, let's have a drink and let's have another drink,
Speaker 1: and then it seems like a good idea because you
Speaker 1: have such anxiety and like you're gearing up for something
Speaker 1: and you have to be so on. So I guess
Speaker 1: many people doing stand up or improv or their live
Speaker 1: show like can relate to that, like you just have to.
Speaker 2: Be Haydo taking theo. You wanted to feel a little
Speaker 2: more loose and free and yes, yes it all make
Speaker 2: sense and that's why it happens. That's so much, I think,
Speaker 2: especially in the in the heated moments when stuff is
Speaker 2: going on and everyone's like, okay, let's just have a drink.
Speaker 2: Let's just you know, diffuse the situation and it's it's.
Speaker 1: A it's an activity too, and it's yeah, like I
Speaker 1: don't drink hard alcohol anymore. I don't drink as much
Speaker 1: as I used to, even tho I'm watching this you know,
Speaker 1: great Rose, But I sometimes I'll be like stressed. I
Speaker 1: never drank to excess, but on a Tuesday, I'll just
Speaker 1: be I never drank either for social like it'd be
Speaker 1: like on a Tuesday, I'd be stressed like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can't believe this happened, and I'd want to sip some
Speaker 1: vodka just take the goddamn and it worked, like works.
Speaker 1: So now I'm missing that thing because like an edible
Speaker 1: or a pill which I don't take like zonks you
Speaker 1: out and puts. It's a different type.
Speaker 2: Of feel because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly type.
Speaker 1: Like alcohol could just you could take a little and
Speaker 1: it could just use properly. It just does take that
Speaker 1: like right right right.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is also the the you know,
Speaker 2: the the quintessential episode where Luanne because she's sober and
Speaker 2: she's you know, going to the AA meetings, and I
Speaker 2: feel like she is not part of that. So she
Speaker 2: is like the outside. She has a lot of judgment
Speaker 2: when she's seeing it in action, even though she was
Speaker 2: a train wreck before. Like it, you know, you can't
Speaker 2: be judgmental when you're in one place in somebody else's
Speaker 2: So even though classics, Sonya is a hot mess at
Speaker 2: that dinner in Miami. I mean it is like off
Speaker 2: the charts that whole day. I mean when she just
Speaker 2: starts drinking. From the arrival and the unpacking.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're going to get into the closet
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. We're going back in the But
Speaker 1: you're right, like there's a class there's a thing that
Speaker 1: is very classic, which is someone goes sober. I guess
Speaker 1: they have their They can now see things clearly. They're
Speaker 1: looking at other people, but not everything needs to be said.
Speaker 1: And the juxtaposition if I say something to Sonia, it's
Speaker 1: very different than Luanne. Now let's get to the uh
Speaker 1: during and at the Christmas Tree, Like I liked a
Speaker 1: lot of these events seem fake and made up, and
Speaker 1: I liked this event. It seemed elevated, it seemed legitimate.
Speaker 1: I like what she wore, Like, you know, this event
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. It's just a vehicle to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: But like, I like this event as a backdrop compared
Speaker 1: to like they show in black and white like scenes
Speaker 1: from going to Clay make because it never really made
Speaker 1: it like this was a good This is like a
Speaker 1: good event to me, you know, yes.
Speaker 2: And I gotta say and maybe like for the real
Speaker 2: diehard fans who have seen every single episode and no
Speaker 2: to Rinda, like every episode through this season, to me,
Speaker 2: it's like you and her are most are mostly the
Speaker 2: voices of reason. I feel like Janda comes off the
Speaker 2: least crazy as previous episodes i'd seen her in this season.
Speaker 2: She's holds scrub, you know, she has the stuff with.
Speaker 6: Luanne, but I feel like she is fairly on the
Speaker 6: rails on the rail right, and and like it's she's drunk,
Speaker 6: but it's like a drunk it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's like fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't it's not. It's not terrible drunk. It's
Speaker 2: not dark, it's not fringing drunk. It's not dark.
Speaker 1: Right, So what do you think about Luanne talking about
Speaker 1: her in her act and her saying she's gonna call
Speaker 1: her lawyers. I don't think you can tell someone not
Speaker 1: to talk about them in their act. Otherwise Kathy Griffin
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a career.
Speaker 2: Of course, not no, of course you can't get a
Speaker 2: letter from lawyers about what you say in a show
Speaker 2: and who you talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know why we never
Speaker 1: brought that. I don't know why I never I wasn't
Speaker 1: around for those conversations because I don't know why. If
Speaker 1: I was there, I'd be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like you can't, you know you can't.
Speaker 2: Right, But you would think that Luanne would have the
Speaker 2: Wherewithal anyway after because they they by this point they
Speaker 2: had sort of made up with each other. You know,
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, they are not really speaking,
Speaker 2: and you know it's one of them wants you know,
Speaker 2: there's like the clam bake and one wants one to
Speaker 2: apologize and Derenda's not showing up a barbes and the
Speaker 2: whole thing, and they finally kind of make peace. So
Speaker 2: you would think Luanne would also sort of like read
Speaker 2: the room a little bit.
Speaker 5: Right now, it's not put her in the show and
Speaker 5: exactly do a joke about her like you're right, it's
Speaker 5: button pushing.
Speaker 1: Well, you're right, And they referenced Jo Vannie and it
Speaker 1: would annoy me too. I gotta tell you if I
Speaker 1: brought someone to a because that's also very housewives too.
Speaker 1: This is some behind the scenes to you too about
Speaker 1: housewives are very grabby, which I know isn't going to
Speaker 1: shock you. But like, let's say you have a necklace
Speaker 1: on and another girl says, and you were gifted it
Speaker 1: from a brand on the Housewives, you have to gatekeep.
Speaker 1: You must gatekeep because here's what will happen. So I
Speaker 1: want to do to guest host on the Today Show
Speaker 1: and another housewife called, and I won't rat them out
Speaker 1: because then it's riding out Hoda or Jenna and I
Speaker 1: never connected dot so Hoda came up to me and
Speaker 1: told me that another housewife had called that morning to say,
Speaker 1: like why would you have Bethany, Why wouldn't you have me?
Speaker 1: Because a minute you tell someone. So also if it's stuff,
Speaker 1: if you say I got this, that other housewife immediately
Speaker 1: like this is a Ramona and Luanne special. They are
Speaker 1: the most Tinsey would never do this. Sonya might, but
Speaker 1: she'd forget about it. But the most the most vicious
Speaker 1: offenders would be Jill Zarin, Ramona and Luanne would be
Speaker 1: calling by noon to make an appointment at the show
Speaker 1: and say, Bethany got some stuff. I thought I could
Speaker 1: come up Like they have no shame in their game, right, right,
Speaker 1: so you got to kind of gate keep. So Durinda
Speaker 1: brought Luanne to Jovanni and like Luanne had to fucking
Speaker 1: bust it open like a pinata, like okay, you got
Speaker 1: a dress or too. You don't have to like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like it annoyed Durinda, which I do understand, right,
Speaker 1: it's annoying, right, and she didn't give her credit, and
Speaker 1: all Durnda wants is credit, like thank you, this wouldn't
Speaker 1: have happened. It's not money. It's just it's annoying that
Speaker 1: Luana has to make everything like it was her idea.
Speaker 1: Tried to claim Skinny Girl Margarita, like Luanne has to
Speaker 1: make things that don't matter, that that that she came
Speaker 1: up with them and own.
Speaker 2: Them right exactly not to go and that's I feel
Speaker 2: like that that is a you know, I remember having
Speaker 2: like a high school friend who would copy the things
Speaker 2: and my mother would say, oh, imitation is the best flattery,
Speaker 2: but that's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, with my health.
Speaker 2: Got the thing that you know, annoying.
Speaker 1: No, I tell brand like not to copy. And there's
Speaker 1: a person in our lives that like copies every single thing,
Speaker 1: and we told her like stop, like it's too much.
Speaker 1: I don't want even copy me. Also, it's so funny
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night because I'll say to Paul,
Speaker 1: oh you copied me, my fiance, my fiance, I don't
Speaker 1: want to copy me either, And I'll wake up in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and I'll pie and then
Speaker 1: he'll go, oh, you just copied me. He'll cry because
Speaker 1: I have a thing about being copied.
Speaker 2: I don't like yes, it's like your own yes, to
Speaker 2: take your own path, let me have mine. Or if
Speaker 2: you're if you love something so much and you want
Speaker 2: to just say I love that. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get it and I will give you full credit. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's still annoying, still annoying.
Speaker 1: If it's like a thing like like like green is
Speaker 1: my thing, so I have like a green car and
Speaker 1: a green watch, like stay away, right, I can't own
Speaker 1: a color, but it's gonna be. It's gonna be my
Speaker 1: color for now. Like in this friend's circle, right, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you don't well yeah, if you don't own
Speaker 1: a lot of green things, then yeah, stay the fuck
Speaker 1: away from my collar.
Speaker 2: Yeah yah yeah, so so so I get it.
Speaker 1: And it's but but Dirinda, if Dorinda had said it's
Speaker 1: funny because The Housewives is a zero s game, someone
Speaker 1: always has to be winning, someone always has to be losing.
Speaker 1: So in that scene now twenty twenty hindsight, it's obvious
Speaker 1: to me, just like with the tipsy girl thing, I
Speaker 1: should have just said something nicely to Sonya or constructively
Speaker 1: I got mad or not taken the bait, and it
Speaker 1: would have been on TV. But in this scene, Diorinda
Speaker 1: should have just said, will you do me a favor?
Speaker 1: It may be weird, and who cares? Can you just
Speaker 1: not have me in the act? Would you just not
Speaker 1: like I'm getting a lawyer? And she should have just
Speaker 1: said that, And I bet you the lad So we
Speaker 1: don't deal with things that way because we are bitches,
Speaker 1: right and we need to go to the mattresses and
Speaker 1: as women, just say it to say it nicely, and of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course, and I think that's that's also something
Speaker 2: that would be much more reasonable in real life, but
Speaker 2: on television, you want it to be contentious, you want fair.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you're right. I think fair right,
Speaker 2: that I had Drenda said that, it just probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: have even made it fair right, fair, Yes, I think
Speaker 2: it's a little bit too sweet. You got to diffuse
Speaker 2: some things in life. And like I bring up that
Speaker 2: tipsy girl scene if you saw it or didn't, but
Speaker 2: it was when Sonya does something with a cheeter brand
Speaker 2: and I go hard, and she's not the person to
Speaker 2: go hard on, Like I almost brought her to tears,
Speaker 2: and like I was in my own head and so angry,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't playing chess. I was playing checkers, And
Speaker 2: I think, like you gotta play the long game and
Speaker 2: only pick the battles you need to pick right, right,
Speaker 2: right exactly exactly, Like Carol went so hard about the
Speaker 2: book Ghostwriter that made her seem like she didn't write
Speaker 2: her own book or just quiet down, shut up and
Speaker 2: don't don't don't take the bait right right exactly exactly, And.
Speaker 1: Luan. Sonya has been Luyan's bitch for years, so it's
Speaker 1: not the one to go talking behind her back about
Speaker 1: later about anything. And what I do love about Sonya
Speaker 1: is she will pop off and it will be in
Speaker 1: a way that seems chaotic, but you'll be rooting for
Speaker 1: her because she has hit her boiling point, so like
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's something where someone else it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're crazy, and she did was off the rails. But
Speaker 1: with Sonya in particular, she'll be speaking in tongues. But
Speaker 1: if you really listen and you read the tea leaves,
Speaker 1: you can find what she's saying makes some sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, even in her even in when we get
Speaker 2: to that if you know that that dinner rant when
Speaker 2: she is just sort of slurring through, I mean really
Speaker 2: at the core her when she starts going at Luanne
Speaker 2: and Ramona about her guys about her like why do
Speaker 2: you have to double dip into my men? And as
Speaker 2: you say, like it's disgusting. Yeah, the greatest line I
Speaker 2: peed my There are two moments that I literally like
Speaker 2: did a spit, but like peed my pants laughing, And
Speaker 2: the other is like you getting bleeped out saying I
Speaker 2: nothing lun when you guys are shopping. Nothing Leu Aanne
Speaker 2: could do would surprise me. You say something and then
Speaker 2: you're like, she could take a shit on me, and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise like and I literally and if they
Speaker 2: bleep out shit, I don't know. I love that you
Speaker 2: could say shit is out what you can't say shit
Speaker 2: on my head or whatever ship on me, but you
Speaker 2: can say curator of cock. But both of those lines
Speaker 2: are like, I treasure them. I will never let them go.
Speaker 2: They will always be in like thought bubbles coming out
Speaker 2: of your beautiful face.
Speaker 1: And I love you for it, thank you it I
Speaker 1: I a good, good line I have to say. And
Speaker 1: I never remember any of them. I forgot I said that.
Speaker 1: I never remember any of them. I say, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see and I see him mention it all everyone thought
Speaker 1: was the biggest line in history. I never remember saying it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's coming out of my mouth. That's
Speaker 1: what's funny about that. But yeah, she's totally valid. And
Speaker 1: Luanne never misses the opportunity to do the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: She never misses the opportunity these That's why she's been
Speaker 1: on the show for so long, because she if you
Speaker 1: look at what she's doing like she's never like the
Speaker 1: funniest and she's not the most entertaining, but she'll just
Speaker 1: do like the wrong thing or be the biggest narcissist,
Speaker 1: which is why I say in the next scene, the
Speaker 1: bathing suit shopping scene, that the stuff, that stuff was ugly,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what I was, why I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, Messa Odabash seems like a great designer, but
Speaker 1: the stuff I was trying on, like, I don't. I
Speaker 1: did not buy that.
Speaker 2: Thank god, this looks like my most this is the most,
Speaker 2: the most me the most.
Speaker 1: No, I said, this is my personality, which she doesn't
Speaker 1: say a lot about my personality, so you know.
Speaker 2: I was like, you can't put on it, like anything
Speaker 2: looks good on you, like, let's be real, let's and
Speaker 2: that's not a no, it's just yeah wow, except for
Speaker 2: that one thing, but yes, like a little yeah. It
Speaker 2: just looked like you were kind of killing time. I
Speaker 2: didn't think you were really gonna buy anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: You probably were covered on the trip. You were probably
Speaker 2: already covered.
Speaker 1: Yeah we didn't take that dress, but yeah, because probably
Speaker 1: they weren't giving it us for free. And I was like,
Speaker 1: we just put your place on the map because we
Speaker 1: thrashed the land, so we need a free calftan. So
Speaker 1: so so, but I remembered I forgot this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Luanne was always like she's always like it's always the
Speaker 1: dig covered in frosting, and she's just you just walk
Speaker 1: in and she'll say something just like give a dig
Speaker 1: and be like what what would were you? Are you
Speaker 1: leave early or you're not doing like there was just something,
Speaker 1: just jams in something and then like walks away. And
Speaker 1: for me the season, it was being like she was
Speaker 1: the curator of clock every time she'd know when I
Speaker 1: got somewhere, when I didn't go somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, she so up in your business on what
Speaker 2: time you arrived. And you know as a as a
Speaker 2: you were when you see those episodes where it's showing
Speaker 2: them like you get there the stamp time stamps eight
Speaker 2: twenty five and she's still getting ready and getting her face,
Speaker 2: you know for the Halloween thing or whatever that she
Speaker 2: was singing for, and you left like a let You
Speaker 2: were there three hours of my.
Speaker 1: Life with a pair of child at home. I don't
Speaker 1: leave my kid. I'm just like, I don't leave the house.
Speaker 2: And now that I know that you don't like going out,
Speaker 2: that's what is hell in a place like that too, where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I rocked my costume rusted.
Speaker 2: Yes, you did, you got, you had good time. You
Speaker 2: socialize with the other girls like you put the time in,
Speaker 2: you punched out the clock. She was forty minutes late
Speaker 2: for the thing, like whatever it was, it was, but
Speaker 2: so for her to track that when everybody's around her
Speaker 2: and having their moment and she's clocking where why you
Speaker 2: weren't there?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, well I'm gonna give you more inside Baseball.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you who the housewife is, but
Speaker 1: Derinda told me that, and so did the producers verify
Speaker 1: it that there's one housewife? This is insane. That would
Speaker 1: count how many like interview bites I got, which were
Speaker 1: clearly a lot, and how many like scenes I was in.
Speaker 1: So Luyn, you know, and there's another housewife, Ramona. This
Speaker 1: is the other house of Romona. Be always aware of
Speaker 1: the cameras, like go get the camera guys and get
Speaker 1: them to come over to what she was doing. I've
Speaker 1: never done like, never done that, like never done that.
Speaker 1: So but Luyne, you know, wants me to be there
Speaker 1: because I was the shiny star on this particular season
Speaker 1: and then the be is back, so like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe if I'm not there it didn't happen, so she
Speaker 1: wants for her big moment that like I'm gonna be there,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna make it and whatever. And she's a narcissist,
Speaker 1: which is why it doesn't matter what time she shows up.
Speaker 1: She wants us to go to you know, she wants
Speaker 1: us to like what I think they'd stuff like fat
Speaker 1: into geese, make like floig gras or like gat goose
Speaker 1: fat and pigeons or I don't know what this is
Speaker 1: kind of these birds, you know that they like forest
Speaker 1: feet or horrible whatever. Like she's flogging us with this
Speaker 1: fucking cabaret. None of us have ever gone to cabaret
Speaker 1: our whole life. Now it's like I've never eaten alligator
Speaker 1: and you're making me eat it five times in a week.
Speaker 1: Like I'm good. We don't want to go the first time.
Speaker 1: We don't want to eat alligator five times. Let me
Speaker 1: the fuck alone. Right.
Speaker 2: It's a very niche performance, you know, category it is
Speaker 2: a there's a you know, it's like people who love
Speaker 2: going to see unknown comics and things like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. There's the cat, there's the cabaret crowd,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's very You're.
Speaker 1: A great oil for me because you're a great I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why you'd be my like my Robin,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. It's like you're saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: You will not dare speak in the language that I
Speaker 1: would ever use or in the way, and you won't
Speaker 1: get in any trouble. But you are perfect. You're the way.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: She's like producers are dying.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, it's an acquired it's not something everybody
Speaker 1: goes to every day. It's a specific thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: nobody fucking watches Gabaret. You're like a great foil for me.
Speaker 1: You're like Paul, my fiance.
Speaker 2: I told you you are fearless. I need more of
Speaker 2: you in this DNA.
Speaker 1: I need that. I need that.
Speaker 4: I you know.
Speaker 2: I talk about my twenty one year old daughter, who
Speaker 2: is I like, I long to be as straightforward and
Speaker 2: cool as she is at.
Speaker 1: Something oh interesting, and I want to be My daughter
Speaker 1: is an angel. She is sweet, she is like earthy,
Speaker 1: and everyone loves her. She's like that person I have
Speaker 1: an assistant like that that everyone loves. But she's also
Speaker 1: like cute and popular and you get away with like
Speaker 1: also being funny, but like you never get any trouble.
Speaker 1: My daughter is that she's so sweet, she is the best.
Speaker 1: But I'm not. So you have your opposite to your daughter.
Speaker 1: My daughter is more like you. My daughter would never
Speaker 1: in her whole lifetime speak this right right, Yeah, got
Speaker 1: a little digs and she'll get them in Christine.
Speaker 2: Yes, we know how to we know how to slide
Speaker 2: those in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well not everybody can be a curator, a person
Speaker 1: who would say curative cock. Okay, So and I am
Speaker 1: obviously foreshadowing that I will pop off if Luanne acts
Speaker 1: like a queen Bee in Miami. Well, there's a good
Speaker 1: foreshadowing in a in an English story.
Speaker 2: I mean that is that is the understatement. Yet you
Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head when you said it
Speaker 2: earlier about Sonia, Like in those moments, you could if
Speaker 2: you read between the lines everything that goes on in
Speaker 2: that you know, and I know that that's really not
Speaker 2: the episode, but that's the part two of you know
Speaker 2: when you had dinner that that sort of you know,
Speaker 2: panic attack, breakdown is not it is so you see
Speaker 2: it coming from a million miles away, and it's everything.
Speaker 1: And I experienced a death and it's ticking up. It's
Speaker 1: the it's the role of poster. When you just know
Speaker 1: that thing is gonna fly. You're like tick tick click,
Speaker 1: click click.
Speaker 2: You know it's like that. Yeah, yeah, And it's that.
Speaker 2: I think that's why nobody, you know, it wasn't like
Speaker 2: this sort of oh god, what's going on? I mean,
Speaker 2: it was so clear that it was going to come out.
Speaker 2: And that was the I think you say it. She
Speaker 2: was the catalyst. It was there was it. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was stuff that had to do with her, but it
Speaker 2: was everything else, everything else.
Speaker 1: Now back to New York being message, this is not
Speaker 1: my brand ever of humor. And it's funny. I'm in
Speaker 1: a relationship, it's not it's not my fiance's brand. Like
Speaker 1: we're not. We don't do like fart humor. Like no,
Speaker 1: this is the cast that like doesn't mind shitting in
Speaker 1: their pants in a foreign country and collect wind I.
Speaker 2: Put my pants down and peeking in public, and I
Speaker 2: know it's the line.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the you know, peeing and like I
Speaker 1: once had to go so badly on the way to Atlanta, Saday,
Speaker 1: I actually had to go on the side of the
Speaker 1: word I would peede in the car. So those are
Speaker 1: my choices. But like talking about peeing in a bathtub
Speaker 1: and and like I'm not in the car, it's not
Speaker 1: it's it's not for me at all, Like I don't
Speaker 1: like it, I don't do it, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I know there's an audience for it, Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big fart man fan, like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not I don't like anything with
Speaker 1: regards to the ass and this this cast has has
Speaker 1: really done some important work. You know, some people cover
Speaker 1: like SMaL yah, like you know, war in Afghanistan. We've
Speaker 1: covered diarrhea in Cartiana on the floor. We've covered farting
Speaker 1: in many different places, peeing in a bathtub and anal
Speaker 1: and shitting in a bed. So like I'm good, it's
Speaker 1: that's not lovely, Yeah, yes, really class it's classy. I'm
Speaker 1: proud to been part of this category, you know, nominated
Speaker 1: in this category. So yeah, it's it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Tinsley tells Sonya that Ramona and Harry do, but Harry
Speaker 1: Dubin is really it's just he's the gift that keeps
Speaker 1: on giving, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean even just saying the name the way it
Speaker 2: rolls off, like as if this is some sort of royalty.
Speaker 2: You know, it kills me when you when you're you're
Speaker 2: hearing the name and hearing the name, and then there's
Speaker 2: a quick flashback and you see Harry Dubin.
Speaker 1: Like you, Well, Harry Dubin and Tom have had sex
Speaker 1: with every woman in New York City. That's a six.
Speaker 1: They're good at like the middle range women. Like they
Speaker 1: they're doing a volume business, like a volume desperado ridden,
Speaker 1: hard and put away, wet, beaten down, divorcee housewive, upper
Speaker 1: east side bar, like smash and grab salty group like
Speaker 1: they they they two o'clock in the morning, grab whatever
Speaker 1: is in sight, stick it in the net, take it,
Speaker 1: cook it and dump it out the next day. Like
Speaker 1: that's their model. So there's there's Harry and Tom. We
Speaker 1: need a dick, which we have a lot of dick.
Speaker 1: But they're really good on the mediocre model.
Speaker 2: And why why is that appealing to Ramona and why
Speaker 2: like what is the tell me, I'll tell me what
Speaker 2: the appeal.
Speaker 1: Is because they're well. To be honest, Sonya's done a
Speaker 1: good mid range but I mean Sonya and Laane have
Speaker 1: done a good mid range business too, not at the
Speaker 1: same clip and volume. And I love sonya, so please
Speaker 1: understand that. But like, you know, they've done a lot
Speaker 1: of the good mid range, like not a hard grab
Speaker 1: model too. But he's the kicker. There are men that
Speaker 1: like are marketed as having some money, like Harry's family,
Speaker 1: Like the parents had some money. I've been to their house,
Speaker 1: but like it's not trickling down to the kids. And
Speaker 1: like he's also not the kid that would get it.
Speaker 1: He's got an older brother that like this is the
Speaker 1: smart and more successful one of that family. So Harry
Speaker 1: is like the guy about town with the like sort
Speaker 1: of half a rich Jewish Upper East Side Hampton's name
Speaker 1: and goes to the parents' house a lot, and his
Speaker 1: kids go to the good schools. Probably the parents paid
Speaker 1: for it. I don't know that. But he makes like
Speaker 1: a living, but he's not like a baller, you know.
Speaker 1: So they are big with the thirty year olds who
Speaker 1: like want you to buy them drinks, and then they're
Speaker 1: ending up partying with those thirty something year old thirty
Speaker 1: five year olds, and they range for the thirty something
Speaker 1: year olds that are impressed by the paycheck and the
Speaker 1: fifty five to sixty five year old Expire group of ladies.
Speaker 1: So they got to range. So Tom his last name
Speaker 1: is Dagasino. It's kind of the same model. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the family has some money. He's not rich rich,
Speaker 1: like you know rich rich, fuck you riches billionaire. Really
Speaker 1: rich is several hundred millionaire normal rich rich is like
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. Then there's like rich, it's like twenty five.
Speaker 1: He and Tom probably have a couple of million dollars,
Speaker 1: like right, maybe, which is rich. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's their ball is soup. It's their fucking hot pot
Speaker 1: of bullshit soup that we're really going for. And Tom's
Speaker 1: got the same model, so whatever I just said, it's
Speaker 1: like the same model like losing the bone house And
Speaker 1: it's like the top floor of a shitty building in
Speaker 1: New York City that like has too bads where it's
Speaker 1: like someone took like a pH from another building and
Speaker 1: like stuck it on the thirteenth floor. So it's not
Speaker 1: a bad luck floor. It's the top floor. We're calling
Speaker 1: it a penthouse. Why not.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can paint it anyway you want to know.
Speaker 1: We're doing We're going to Palm Beach, but it's not
Speaker 1: real pomp Beach, tins which is why Tinsley is like
Speaker 1: is it on island? And it's not.
Speaker 2: Even the Kingston House, even the Kingston House, which the
Speaker 2: way she described it, like, I mean, I was stop Bosta.
Speaker 1: I can't let you go any further.
Speaker 2: You are not allowed where you said about the kitchen
Speaker 2: and the guest house where you can be taking I
Speaker 2: think you said it. You can take ship. You can
Speaker 2: take a ship in the clay. At the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Yes, like, which is why you need to be half
Speaker 1: a housewife absolutely, because you need to be making ship soup.
Speaker 2: We need to make shit soup, my way Ella told me.
Speaker 2: And she ends up selling that house like, you know,
Speaker 2: three months later or something like that.
Speaker 1: So that's the Tom and Harry of it. We just
Speaker 1: need a dick, you know. But they're the dicks. So
Speaker 1: and Harry is a very perfectly nice, you know, nice person,
Speaker 1: and Tom seems like a perfectly nice person. But that's
Speaker 1: their brand. And there's a lot of women. It's a
Speaker 1: volume business. Yeah, it's a lot easier to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, you could bag fifty of those women in
Speaker 1: the time of taking a bag one model. So let's
Speaker 1: go for the volume. Sure, sure, let's eat a lot
Speaker 1: of shit. That's food, that's their highway highway restaurants. It's
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to do that than like go
Speaker 1: to the cirque.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 2: It's like that. Nothing more needs to be said about it, right, But.
Speaker 1: Yes, in fairness to Sonya, she got them when they
Speaker 1: were a little more in their prime and a little
Speaker 1: more impressive. Like they probably they didn't have all the
Speaker 1: kids and all the bills and all this stuff, so
Speaker 1: like the parents' bank account was more impressive with the
Speaker 1: young you know, finance job or whatever. Yeah, they're ridden
Speaker 1: hard and put away wet now too. So that's when
Speaker 1: like Lunk and Ramona came in with their shovel. So
Speaker 1: Sonya had them, you know, before this group had you know,
Speaker 1: they were roadkilled, you know. Yeah. To find a guy
Speaker 1: who's had sex with you know, three to five housewives,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's an accomplishment, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean it's happened. That's the thing. A Viva Sonya Ramona
Speaker 1: Luin four housewives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of cross pollination. I think
Speaker 2: it's not great. I think it's not great, and I
Speaker 2: think it's been a three.
Speaker 1: You can't right this ship.
Speaker 2: No, you really can't. You really can't. I mean that
Speaker 2: sort of incestuous, like a friend fool. I remember in
Speaker 2: my twenties we had a group of friends and everybody
Speaker 2: seemed to when one would break up, the the one
Speaker 2: would swoop in with a couple of the guys and
Speaker 2: I was like, that's just kind of disgusting.
Speaker 1: Right, this is where the producers always want to blow
Speaker 1: their water early and they're wrong because they wanted me
Speaker 1: to pop off about Tom cheating like right when I
Speaker 1: got there, and they're also up my ass all the
Speaker 1: time to be there when everyone else gets there. This
Speaker 1: was perfection. It was perfection for this pot to be
Speaker 1: simmering on a stove before I walked in. And it's
Speaker 1: always like, guys, relax, I'm gonna get there. It's all
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's like your kids.
Speaker 1: And this is mean if the two producers that were
Speaker 1: producing this is me that the person that brought not
Speaker 1: a bravo at the production company, like you were getting
Speaker 1: all your presents. Just relax, We're gonna open up one
Speaker 1: box at a time. So now we get there and
Speaker 1: this is bubbling so nicely.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean the timing of it, the
Speaker 2: timing of it is impeccable. And the way you uh,
Speaker 2: you sort of come in and and and you hear sounds.
Speaker 2: I mean it's almost as if And the shot of
Speaker 2: you walking in too, is almost as if you're entering
Speaker 2: a room where there is a wild animal, like literally
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: You are so.
Speaker 2: Tentative about what the hell is happening, and it it
Speaker 2: is all, you know, essentially a version of a wild animal.
Speaker 2: She's hitting the bathtub with the pants about to come down.
Speaker 2: She's about to pee in front of everyone.
Speaker 1: Yea and his crew. It's shot.
Speaker 2: Well, oh it's a shot.
Speaker 1: It's very to twelve. And I think I said so,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm much sure if I want to be
Speaker 1: like interacting with this group, like I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for the group, but you have to be ready,
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a Donda thing like it may not,
Speaker 1: it cannot always like I had to get into it.
Speaker 1: And before I get there, they're watching Sony with the
Speaker 1: guy's name.
Speaker 2: Oh no no, no, oh no, moge pop like and
Speaker 2: he even says, it's it's Age like Hage right. He
Speaker 2: says it's Tate and she just keeps calling him rage.
Speaker 2: She keeps calling him to then she tells and then
Speaker 2: and then Luamne comes in and says, like, very you.
Speaker 1: Know, of course she knows t O s A because
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was Yeah, that's that's her French, because
Speaker 1: she's from French Polynesia. She was like, yeah, she makes
Speaker 1: her own word and with such with such conviction.
Speaker 2: That's much conviction, which is always like I that one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things is always how she's entering a
Speaker 2: situation after everyone has basically ship on her and everything
Speaker 2: about her, and she comes.
Speaker 3: In so happy with herself in her hat, in herder
Speaker 3: in jacket, and she is just like hey hey, and
Speaker 3: it's just it's so brilliantly.
Speaker 1: Done, Darling. It fits you a torch obviously whatever she said,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Darling, I lived. I did a short
Speaker 1: tenure in India. It's Sage. You know, I was spent.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I did an internship and modeling gig on the steps
Speaker 1: of the taj Mahal. So I know it's Sash.
Speaker 4: But the way the shots of the poor guy who
Speaker 4: is just like I mean defeated, mortified and having to
Speaker 4: endure it and has signed off what it means.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course prayer but like, uh you didn't
Speaker 1: the staph the staff demoralizing going on in multiple rooms
Speaker 1: is what's going. It's amazing too, Sonya. It makes a
Speaker 1: blow job joke to the bald guy Dorinda's you know,
Speaker 1: it is like boiling her intestines and a martini shaker
Speaker 1: and telling him, you know, the art of the tail
Speaker 1: with her bangs flying like it's a beautiful episode. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful episode.
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful episode.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful episode, and I love what I'm proud
Speaker 1: of my castmates for, like not all the time is
Speaker 1: everybody firing on all cylinders and everybody's doing their part,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, And I now realize why Annie called
Speaker 1: me the Greek chorus because they're all doing beautiful work
Speaker 1: and it's just my position on the field. Someone needs
Speaker 1: to come in and collect this all and crystallize it.
Speaker 1: And that's where I always was like that, like you
Speaker 1: need everybody to be doing different things, like it's all
Speaker 1: happening and Sonya's I mean and on Q like you know,
Speaker 1: of course everybody is an indentured servant that she has
Speaker 1: to bring in. And you know, everybody that works everywhere
Speaker 1: is an unpacker, and and going to organize the closets
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: That alone made me laugh of like who really ever
Speaker 2: utilizes the people that are there to help to.
Speaker 1: Actually unpack you. The landscaper is also going to organize
Speaker 1: her shoes. She doesn't care who the fuck they are.
Speaker 1: Teasure reg it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Telling him about her outfits and how it's they're gonna
Speaker 2: show off her boobies and yes, you know it's no,
Speaker 2: it's it is, it's it is a brilliant episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, and more proof that I never there's a whole
Speaker 1: thing that goes on on like TikTok right now about
Speaker 1: like room categories and like there's like a hierarchy, and
Speaker 1: I say, it's total bullshit, because it's about working when
Speaker 1: you go on these influenza trips and this here, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where. If I'm sleeping in a toilet, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I'm never gonna be in there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be out there picking up carcasses. I always take the
Speaker 1: ship room.
Speaker 2: I would just say that the room, the room assignments
Speaker 2: are always a moment unto themselves, like the way everyone
Speaker 2: has to tour around and it becomes like the so
Speaker 2: you know, I mean that's the it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Because Ramona's under the Ramona is the only person that
Speaker 1: goes on these trips and thinks she's going in a
Speaker 1: real vacation. For her, this is like bikini season. I'm
Speaker 1: going shopping for it. I've packed my bag like I'm
Speaker 1: packing for my honeymoon. I'm excited and this is a vacation.
Speaker 2: And she chose the house and arranged it all and
Speaker 2: she believes her own mess replaced Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent.
Speaker 2: She did that.
Speaker 1: On the boat, well, I invited you all and I
Speaker 1: got this boat like a yacht because this is her
Speaker 1: fantasy to be like in a string bikini and go
Speaker 1: to Miami because someone else is paying for it, because
Speaker 1: Ramona's notoriously cheap, so like this is her thing. It's
Speaker 1: just and I'm going, you know, I could be below
Speaker 1: deck on one of those boats, like it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where we sleep. And they spend hours about agonizing over
Speaker 1: the world. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Get married? She's own Yeah.
Speaker 1: On the balcony. You're not gonna be in there. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's insane. Barbara tells me that that Sonya is blackout already.
Speaker 1: That's blackout. That to me, that is blackout drunk, that's blackout.
Speaker 2: That is as I mean, that's as bad as you
Speaker 2: see anybody where. And she's talking like a little girl,
Speaker 2: and she's I mean, she's going into like different it's
Speaker 2: sort of multiple personalities almost, but she's very lovey. But
Speaker 2: it's so sloppy and so blackout.
Speaker 1: It's very off. And that gives me anxiety. So now
Speaker 1: they have dinner. Oh, they and the and they get
Speaker 1: lit before I even get there, Like I'm walking into
Speaker 1: a thing, and I die. I just have to say
Speaker 1: this ahead as time I die over really I die.
Speaker 2: How long does she hold that for?
Speaker 4: And I don't.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, I die. It's so good. And Sonya makes
Speaker 1: a good point, she's great point.
Speaker 2: Exact, you're exactly right. It's you read between the loudness
Speaker 2: and the craziness and the whirling dervish that she is
Speaker 2: in that moment, and everything she's saying is so dead on.
Speaker 2: And Derinda says that, I mean, she says she she
Speaker 2: she stands by her she feels like, why do you
Speaker 2: have to so anyway that I agree with you? There?
Speaker 2: It's amazing that she can have.
Speaker 1: That, you know what I mean? It tracks, and it
Speaker 1: often does. The gibberish has an undertone that tracks. And
Speaker 1: Derinda doesn't care about this, this argument that much. But
Speaker 1: what Dorinda cares deeply about, deeply about is anyonhen anyone
Speaker 1: thinking they can say to her when she's not gonna
Speaker 1: talk about something when she's not, or like Dorinda doesn't
Speaker 1: like to feel caged in any way, she will lash out.
Speaker 1: It happened in Miami when that guy said something to
Speaker 1: her and she disagreed with him. Like once she gets
Speaker 1: put up against a wall in any way, she will
Speaker 1: unleash like a caged animal irrationally. And here she wasn't
Speaker 1: that irrational. She was like, you're not gonna fucking tell
Speaker 1: me what the fuck I'm gonna say, right, And she
Speaker 1: doesn't like that, like, don't don't tell me what I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say, like she she'll get a twelve when
Speaker 1: she doesn't need to be, because that's her, that's her
Speaker 1: place of wounding, like ralling her, moving her, controlling as
Speaker 1: she does, and.
Speaker 2: Like that right, right, And she didn't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know she was drinking, and I know when you clock in,
Speaker 2: you you recognize, like it, they're not focused as much
Speaker 2: on her in that moment, so you don't see her
Speaker 2: seemingly as drunk as you know. Yes, you know, she
Speaker 2: seemed more of sound mind as well in that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, she was sort of just taking it all in.
Speaker 1: Yes, I go down to the wand's room. Yes, because
Speaker 1: I just walked into zero Duck thirty as zeroed in,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, oh I got it, and I really
Speaker 1: didn't get it, like I literally with the glasses you're
Speaker 1: at dark thirty. I was like, I see Ramona, I
Speaker 1: see Sonya's drunk, Ramona's wearing macromea or like a crochet.
Speaker 1: I got it. Like whatever it is, I saw it.
Speaker 2: This is familiar to me.
Speaker 1: This is a familiar, familiar to me. Ramona is being
Speaker 1: terrible to some staff member is completely familiar. Then she's
Speaker 1: bullying Barbara, horrendous, worse than the staff. That's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is its own thing. Yes, it's a.
Speaker 1: Girl high school disgusting. There's nothing else to say. We
Speaker 1: both agree.
Speaker 2: I know you're judge judge mean elitist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mean you vicious bitch. Mean, So that was terrible.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I go to Land's room and I
Speaker 1: rarely say like, I'm here to talk, not to listen,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't really care what she had to say. Right,
Speaker 1: you're holy of the now, shut the fuck up, get
Speaker 1: off the cabaret stage. She's right, you're wrong, you have
Speaker 1: no argument. That's where I stand, right.
Speaker 2: And you say it very clearly. It's funny because I
Speaker 2: think it catches her off guard because I think she's
Speaker 2: here to thinks you're gonna say I'm here to talk, right,
Speaker 2: but right, and then but and then you just sort
Speaker 2: of say like I'm here to talk, now to listen,
Speaker 2: and then oh, oh okay, so she and then that
Speaker 2: puts her on the defensive as well. And you know,
Speaker 2: everything you said is right, Like I feel like this
Speaker 2: has been bubbling through the season of her the cabaret,
Speaker 2: the cabaret, you know. I mean, it's so many times
Speaker 2: throughout the season where it's like life is a cabaret.
Speaker 2: It's not. It comes up in the next episode, but
Speaker 2: it is. Really you see that this is the precursor.
Speaker 2: I mean, even though the episode ends on you know
Speaker 2: the sonya, you know.
Speaker 1: Falling your falls, which is I get anxiety, and particularly
Speaker 1: when if I've had something to drink, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: I had a little, Like I get anxiety anyway, just
Speaker 1: like with kids around certain things or you see glass
Speaker 1: or whatever, that glass table and sonya and just like
Speaker 1: being drunk and I hit my toe all the time
Speaker 1: and I get bruises all the time, and I'm just
Speaker 1: doing it. I knock my head like it just scares me.
Speaker 1: There's so much alcohol. She's clearly loopy on something and
Speaker 1: I'm just like just put. The only place I felt
Speaker 1: that she was safe was go in bed, like I
Speaker 1: just can't so I'm not going. I can't move until
Speaker 1: you're secure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's it again. That is that is you.
Speaker 2: That is the you know three are you are the
Speaker 2: lens through which are the audiences why And it's like
Speaker 2: you're the one raining it in, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: you are in that when from the time you come
Speaker 2: in a bit of like the ring Master of like listen,
Speaker 2: this is what's got to happen.
Speaker 1: But you're I was like screaming like this was so
Speaker 1: good when it's great, it's so good, like it was
Speaker 1: when it.
Speaker 2: Was great.
Speaker 1: It was great. I'm so excited. My producers are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was amazing. So thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to meet you. You were amazing,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know a lot about you, and now
Speaker 1: you just have a great I just love the way
Speaker 1: you crystallize things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean please, Like I know I don't want
Speaker 2: to jump on the Elizabeth Moss train, but please, let's
Speaker 2: find each other.
Speaker 1: I would love to find each other. Please.
Speaker 2: This was the most fun be ever ever. Adore you.
Speaker 2: What's Ella? Tell her she's got to meet you. She's
Speaker 2: got to meet you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, well no, you know what, I'll have
Speaker 1: you do another episode together.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop it, let's do that. Ella will
Speaker 2: take it to the next level.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you let's do one with you and your daughter.
Speaker 2: Yes, she is, I think she is.
Speaker 1: You. I tell her to pick an episode that she
Speaker 1: thinks is iconic that we haven't done yet, Like, tell
Speaker 1: her to pick three in case we've done and she
Speaker 1: could tell you could tell the producers and and tell
Speaker 1: her one that she like lives form. We'll do that one.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. She's gonna die. She's awesome. This is
Speaker 2: like Christmas, the greatest Christmas gift you gave me and
Speaker 2: this in May amazing. Wow, thank you, you're the best.
Speaker 2: All right, talk to you, Okay, bye bye?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Like that was ridiculous. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I was like, I, she's amazing at
Speaker 1: a great foil as I said, like great, she's not
Speaker 1: gonna say what fully, but she says it anyway. She's
Speaker 1: like and like I was, I was in my element today.
Speaker 1: I was in full tilt like that was me and
Speaker 1: my element. Like we you know, New York ones are
Speaker 1: like a little nugget a jam