WEBVTT - QLS Classic: D-Nice

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<v Speaker 1>Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>What's Up, Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June

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<v Speaker 2>marks Black Music Month. We often speaking about it on

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<v Speaker 2>Questlove Supreme, and we've had some of the legends responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for the recognition on the show. Every day this June,

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<v Speaker 2>we are running a different episode from the QLs archives

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<v Speaker 2>to honor the tradition and intent of Black Music Month.

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<v Speaker 2>This week we are focusing on some of the great

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<v Speaker 2>hip hop conversations in the QLs catalog. Our leader Questlove

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<v Speaker 2>has a new book out called hip Hop Is History.

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<v Speaker 2>Check it out at questlove dot com. D Nice has

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<v Speaker 2>become one of the top DJs, but his hip hop

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<v Speaker 2>journey is one of a man who wears many hats.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen back to this QFS.

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Sun, Suprema roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun, Suprema roll Call,

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<v Speaker 3>Suprema Sun Sun, Suprema Ro, Suprema Son Supremo.

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<v Speaker 4>Roll call, Hello, Supreme fam Yeah, quest Lovers flock, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>what up?

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<v Speaker 1>D Nice?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Suprema Supremo, role called Suprema Son Son Suprema Rollante.

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<v Speaker 1>Is in the building. Yeah, I'm willing and able.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Compared to me Yeah, just chrmebs on the table, sup.

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<v Speaker 6>Supremo, roll call Suprema Supremo.

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<v Speaker 1>Roll call. They call me sugar, Yeah, they call me spice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they call me everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but nice Supremam, Mad Supreme.

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<v Speaker 7>I hate Fante. Yeah, he stole what I write. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>just gonna say up the nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Sa Jordan Son Supremo roll call on paid bill, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>start do drag.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just can't take it. Yeah, jet L.

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<v Speaker 6>Roll call Supremo on the Supremo, roll call Suprema something

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<v Speaker 6>Son Supremo, roll call.

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<v Speaker 8>My name Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, that fine

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<v Speaker 8>is over there though. Yeah, his name is nice.

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<v Speaker 6>Roll call Supremo Supremo, roll called Rocket Son Son Supremo,

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<v Speaker 6>roll call.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what to say. Yeah, I haven't written

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<v Speaker 9>the rhyme. Yes is back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Uppreva Safe Suprema, roll call Suppreva Son Son Supremo.

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<v Speaker 6>Roll call Supremo soth soun Supremo, roll call Suprema Son Son.

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<v Speaker 4>Subpremo role All right, Boss Bill with the with the

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<v Speaker 4>field goal. Yeah, with the field goal with one second left,

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<v Speaker 4>half pint half court Buzzy bean y one on No.

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<v Speaker 4>One had a twenty five to life Reference was going

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. That's why on the table I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>touch called Denic. Sound was like, let me leave, call

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<v Speaker 4>me Denice. Someone else is going to do it, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So then I was like, okay, crumbs on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think nobody do that one and.

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<v Speaker 7>Called me with the Scott Rock though I wasn't where

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<v Speaker 7>was your one? It was literally almost the exact same ship.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I tell no fables compare to Boss the table.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god right mind, Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to

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<v Speaker 4>another episode. Of course, love Supreme, IM course love this

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<v Speaker 4>team Supreme in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, guys. Yeah, our guest.

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<v Speaker 4>Today, uh was sixteen when he entered the game back

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen eighty something, and I believe that he's seven

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<v Speaker 4>teen some thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later thanks to that early morning drinking coffee brought

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<v Speaker 1>you back QS coffee. Yeah, I'm just saying that.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of anything that he's done in history, I'm more

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<v Speaker 4>curious about how you've yet to age in hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a hip hop legend.

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<v Speaker 4>He's part of He was part of the legendary Boogie

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<v Speaker 4>Down Productions crew from the South ROX that really literally

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<v Speaker 4>changed the face of hip hop and advanced it to

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<v Speaker 4>an intelligence level where nerds like us could participate and

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<v Speaker 4>engage in the culture. And he's had the craziest journey

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<v Speaker 4>since I mean as a photographer, as a DJ, as

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<v Speaker 4>a producer, and as a coffee maker. Apparently, ladies and

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<v Speaker 4>gentlemen welcome to quest of me.

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<v Speaker 1>D Nice. Yes, yes, thank you for having me taking

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<v Speaker 1>out your suckers. And you don't know how did so?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you take out those suckers? I still don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how I did it? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Side note, d Nice has half of us in this

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<v Speaker 4>room engaging in course slups Supreme coffee, which is it's

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<v Speaker 4>very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coffee and passion coffee. And yes, black lives matter, fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>black lives love. That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Diddy and listen to thank you, Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you Diddy. In this room, I forgot my father. Shout

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<v Speaker 4>out to my twin brother Love Brother, Love Love and

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<v Speaker 4>Alyssa for this.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going? So you you said you had a

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<v Speaker 1>rough night last night. I had a rough night, man,

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<v Speaker 1>What did you do? Man?

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<v Speaker 9>So it's crazy kind of being in this world where

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<v Speaker 9>you I met with an invent last night that offered

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<v Speaker 9>me like a few million to open this business. So

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<v Speaker 9>I went out to celebrate after that, and I celebrated

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<v Speaker 9>a little too hard at a restaurant called Charlie Bird.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean I probably had like five bottles of wine.

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<v Speaker 9>Nothing hard, but it was fantastic wine. The song just

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<v Speaker 9>kept bringing first of all, sound mad nerdy like.

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<v Speaker 1>Nerds right now.

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<v Speaker 9>The song brought out, I mean, everything was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm recovering from that right now. Congratulations for you. Yah,

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<v Speaker 1>so super excited.

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<v Speaker 8>He said that sentence like it happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. No, but I'm saying, well, that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to go to. How many jobs do you

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<v Speaker 1>have mine? Man?

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<v Speaker 9>Here's the thing, man, Like, coming into the hip hop

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<v Speaker 9>back in eighty six, I had no real role in BDP.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I wasn't I wasn't in real MC at

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<v Speaker 9>the time. I wasn't really producing at the time. And

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<v Speaker 9>the one thing that Scott Larrock told me early on was, dude,

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<v Speaker 9>you have to know how to do everything in this

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<v Speaker 9>room in case something would have happened to one of us.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's how I ended up becoming a DJ. That's

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<v Speaker 9>how I learned learn how to write rhymes. It was

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<v Speaker 9>really because I had no real role, so I tried

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<v Speaker 9>to fit in and I did a little bit of everything.

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<v Speaker 9>And to this day, I just feel like I can

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<v Speaker 9>do anything, you know. So in terms of like businesses,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I'm trying, not even trying. I'm about to

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<v Speaker 9>open the club, you know, working on that now. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>the DJing takes me all over the world. Obviously, Photography

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<v Speaker 9>has been great to me. And you know, I've shot campaigns,

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<v Speaker 9>done America's Next Top Model, Hennessy campaigns with this guy

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<v Speaker 9>over here, you know, you know, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forgot. He's like wait, I was looking around,

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<v Speaker 1>like who are you talking to? You know, But I

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<v Speaker 1>just I love being creative. That's it. I love being created.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you, but I never ever nerd it out

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<v Speaker 4>because I knew I was going to get you on

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<v Speaker 4>the show one day. And you know, I have so

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<v Speaker 4>many questions about just your your journey and your entry

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<v Speaker 4>in the hip hop and and and all those things.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, where where were you born?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I assume that you.

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<v Speaker 9>Were born in this I was so I was no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 9>I was actually born in New York. I was born

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<v Speaker 9>in Harlem Hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>In South New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, how come people that come on the show that

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<v Speaker 4>represent a city and they're they're born from We're never

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<v Speaker 4>they don't represent that.

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<v Speaker 9>I wish I was born in the Bronx, but no,

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<v Speaker 9>my heart is always there. But I was born in

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<v Speaker 9>Manhattan in Harlem Hospital, but raised in the Bronx. And

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<v Speaker 9>the funny thing is I wasn't even raised in the

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<v Speaker 9>South Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're part of the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I'm assuming when I say, you guys, what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>saying b DP like, we're part of the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 9>So care Ress was from Brooklyn, so he wasn't really

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<v Speaker 9>from the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Marley didn't.

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<v Speaker 9>Marley Caress was from Brooklyn, So South Bronx actually represented

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<v Speaker 9>where he lived at the time. He lived in the

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<v Speaker 9>Men's Shelter and DJ Scott Larrock was a social worker

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<v Speaker 9>there Kres. You know, his name wasn't cars He was

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<v Speaker 9>bed number five, seven, six, six, whatever, But no, he

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<v Speaker 9>lived there, and my cousin was a security guard at

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<v Speaker 9>the shelter MINS Shelter, Franklin's MINS Shelter in the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 9>So when they talk about well, not even they when

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<v Speaker 9>we talk about South Bronx, it really represented that particular

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<v Speaker 9>area really where Scott lived. And I was a part

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<v Speaker 9>of the group because you know back in the day

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<v Speaker 9>when you say how many jobs, like I loved cooking

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<v Speaker 9>growing up. And one day, this is really how it happened.

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<v Speaker 9>Was I was cooking something for my cousin and brought

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<v Speaker 9>it over to the shelter and then he introduced me

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<v Speaker 9>to scottland Rock and Scott looked at me and said,

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<v Speaker 9>you're going to be in my group, just like that

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<v Speaker 9>dead ass serious. He was like, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 9>in our group. You had no he had no clue

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<v Speaker 9>of what The very first day that I met him,

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<v Speaker 9>he wanted you to cook wait for the group. Probably no,

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<v Speaker 9>but yeah, that's it's crazy when I think about it, man,

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<v Speaker 9>it's it's insane.

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<v Speaker 4>What was your musical experience prior to that, Like, were

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<v Speaker 4>you at least observing what hip hop was becoming back

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<v Speaker 4>in the eighties, Like were you at park Jams any

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<v Speaker 4>of those things?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was that like after your time?

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<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, I was always into music, but oddly

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<v Speaker 9>enough it wasn't hip hop. So I grew up, which

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I'm not just saying it's because you're here.

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<v Speaker 9>But I grew up listening to just soul music. So

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<v Speaker 9>when I hear that in a party to this day,

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<v Speaker 9>it's actually the reason why I DJ. I grew up

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<v Speaker 9>listening to, you know, just a lot of James Brown

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<v Speaker 9>stuff like Melbourne Moore, like everything in the seventies was

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<v Speaker 9>like that was my era. And the first hip hop

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<v Speaker 9>record I fell in love with wasn't even like a

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<v Speaker 9>full on record. I remember walking by a laundromat and

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<v Speaker 9>someone was playing like Pebbly Pool. So that was like

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<v Speaker 9>the first time that I really fell in love with

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<v Speaker 9>hip hop because she was it was like on an

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<v Speaker 9>old mixtape and she was rhyme, and you know, I knew, like, man,

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<v Speaker 9>I want to be involved with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And but.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so that was my music really started with with

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<v Speaker 9>with hip hop with Kress, like that was you know,

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<v Speaker 9>outside of the Pebbly Pooh stuff. I never wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>wrap until I met them, until I met Scott and.

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<v Speaker 1>Karas, Wow, that's okay. Well, so then.

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<v Speaker 4>How to become like you know you you're in the group,

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<v Speaker 4>until you know you actually you guys doing things and

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<v Speaker 4>like how do they develop as a as a band

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<v Speaker 4>first of all Who's NBDP.

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<v Speaker 9>So there was the group bugget On Productions, which was

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<v Speaker 9>it consisted of kras One, Scottland, Rocky myself. Then in

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<v Speaker 9>the crew you know how you have a crew of

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<v Speaker 9>people just roll with you. There was always you know,

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<v Speaker 9>Miss Melody, Mick Bull, a gentleman we called RoboCop manager

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<v Speaker 9>Moe and I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, yea, I should have just.

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<v Speaker 9>Should have did the intro to that record, but but

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<v Speaker 9>yeah no, but that was like Willie d. That was

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<v Speaker 9>the core of the crew. But in terms of making

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<v Speaker 9>records and producing in the studio was Jess Cararas, Scott

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<v Speaker 9>and I what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>So, uh, I guess could you could you tell me

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<v Speaker 4>of of just the genesis of like the first album

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<v Speaker 4>that you guys made together and yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>No, So there are a few things to talk about

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<v Speaker 9>with the Criminal Minded album. The only song that I

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<v Speaker 9>actually worked on with the group was South Bronx and

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<v Speaker 9>South Bronx was done by mainly by Scott Lorock and

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<v Speaker 9>that was my first time being in the studio. We

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<v Speaker 9>were at a sixteen track studio in Queen's.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I add something? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>That was the most evil intro of all time? And

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<v Speaker 4>I always tease you about this because I know that

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<v Speaker 4>you were you know, obviously were like, all right, you

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<v Speaker 4>give a shout up, but you're your your intro, Yo.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up Scottland Rock?

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was just like we always as a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>me and my friends were always like, yo, t nice,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a villain man like like we we had this

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<v Speaker 4>image of you being like a Sniley whiplash from from

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<v Speaker 4>my cartel.

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<v Speaker 9>Meanwhile, I was the skinny kid you just gotta hear

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<v Speaker 9>like Scott Rock like just gritted teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, he must be their bodyguard. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>why it was Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 9>I think heros probably would have preferred me being the

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<v Speaker 9>bodyguard than any you know. But no, when we made

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<v Speaker 9>Criminal Minded, like like I said, I only worked on

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<v Speaker 9>that one particular song with Scott you know. And you

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<v Speaker 9>know that was my first time in the studio, first

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<v Speaker 9>time sampling like anything. You know that was that was

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<v Speaker 9>a fantastic moment for me and uh and doing the

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<v Speaker 9>chorus of course. And the funny thing about South Bro,

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't even have a rap name. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 9>a rap name until the end of the song. Like

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<v Speaker 9>literally I told him to call me d Ice and

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<v Speaker 9>he accidentally dead serious. It was literally like are you

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<v Speaker 9>gonna be Dice? I was gonna be Dice instead of Denise.

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<v Speaker 1>So with with the South Bronx, I've heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Stories of what was the involvement with Said G or

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<v Speaker 4>Paul C at the time, Like, because I've heard Said

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<v Speaker 4>G say, hey, I co produced Criminal Minded. I've heard

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<v Speaker 4>Paul C's people saying that, well, I provided the drum

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<v Speaker 4>patches that said G had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just at the time, were those guys.

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<v Speaker 9>Around or it's the Paulcy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is new to me.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, you know I met Paul you know, shortly before

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<v Speaker 9>he passed. I didn't know him like that, and he

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<v Speaker 9>was never in any of the sessions that I was

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<v Speaker 9>a part of. Said, so here's the thing, man like,

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<v Speaker 9>as you know, bro like a lot of And this

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<v Speaker 9>is no disrespect to said because said was truly there

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<v Speaker 9>and said, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what revisionism is in hip hop, especially with the legends.

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<v Speaker 9>So yeah, you know, like he definitely did drum program programming,

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<v Speaker 9>but sometimes people mixed producing with programming a drum beat,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, and said did a lot of programming. A

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<v Speaker 9>lot of the stuff was used, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of his gear was used to produce those records, but

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't say he produced criminal minded. I wouldn't say that,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't think KRS would say that. Did he

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<v Speaker 9>program a lot of it? Yes, but you know he

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<v Speaker 9>you know, wasn't He didn't do the bridges over. I

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<v Speaker 9>was there with South Bronx. I was there with you know,

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of those records.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for some reason, like I don't know where

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<v Speaker 4>the like because in the real world make quote, making

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<v Speaker 4>the beat is just arranging, yes, right, but not in

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<v Speaker 4>him Like I've heard, you know you on the Off

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<v Speaker 4>Wall Masters. You hear Rod Temperton giving people like instructions.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, guys, you play this an account three one

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<v Speaker 4>two three, So obviously Rod, you know, if it were

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<v Speaker 4>in hip hop terms, then Rod Temperton would get credit

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<v Speaker 4>for three songs because, like you hear him, he made

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<v Speaker 4>giving instructions, right, And I don't know how. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>we're producing. It's like you have to oversee the entire

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<v Speaker 4>project and decide what's good and what's you know, bad.

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<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't work that much. Your hip hop though

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's hip hop, is just do you

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<v Speaker 4>think producer you think beat maker, and you don't really

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<v Speaker 4>give consideration to the person that may have actually brought

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<v Speaker 4>the song to completion.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>And I mean, isn't in the quote unquote real world,

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<v Speaker 7>the producer handles the budget, the booking, the studio and

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<v Speaker 7>you know, hiring all the musicians like the overseer.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you'd like the executive producer, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That depends on the genre. I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 8>Fascinating. It's like class Okay, okay, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean because I mean, well, no, no, no, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>I consider myself a producer, but you know, I only

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<v Speaker 4>see it. I only take it to the fifty yard

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<v Speaker 4>line because I hate doing vocals.

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<v Speaker 1>Always.

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<v Speaker 4>But even with that, I don't even think you necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>have to do vocals to be a producer. I think

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<v Speaker 4>you're more so the producers. The person gets the final say.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you get Steve or whoever to cut vocals

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<v Speaker 4>and then at the end you come in and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the one, then that's it you. But at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the day, like I might not give Steve,

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<v Speaker 4>like producers credit for sitting there for nine hours and

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<v Speaker 4>figure out what's the wait, We're not starting to.

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<v Speaker 8>Fight out loud thought I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, hypothetically you've gotten credit on stuff. I mean.

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<v Speaker 10>In hip hop, producing is known as bringing the beat,

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<v Speaker 10>making the beat, and then you got a producer for

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<v Speaker 10>maybe the whole album, to produce the album. But each

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<v Speaker 10>song is produced by whoever made the beat. In rock

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<v Speaker 10>music other music, the producer is the producer sure of

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<v Speaker 10>the whole project, the album, all the songs, and he

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<v Speaker 10>may not have played one, he may not have written anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know he's produced. That's that's the distinction. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>there you have it, So continue DN No, I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>this is great.

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<v Speaker 9>No, but like I said, no disrespect is said man,

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<v Speaker 9>but that that record was produced by Scott Lorock in

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<v Speaker 9>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>So okay, Well, since you were there for South Bronx,

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<v Speaker 4>always wanted to know, uh, being as though you guys

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<v Speaker 4>were okay, so that was done I believe October of

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<v Speaker 4>eighty six, I remember the last half of eighty six

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<v Speaker 4>South Bronx was done. You guys could have laid claim

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<v Speaker 4>to the first people to use James Brown's funky drummer,

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<v Speaker 4>but stay, you just used the snare like you you

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<v Speaker 4>cut up the individual drums like no one thought at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, like, Yo, this this is gonna be breakbeat goal.

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't we just use the entire break or was

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<v Speaker 4>it done on an SB twelve which only holds like

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<v Speaker 4>four seconds?

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<v Speaker 1>And done on an SB twelve? Damn? So that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you get just just truncated.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and that's why there's a guy because we use

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<v Speaker 9>funky drummer. That's why there's a guy playing James Brown.

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<v Speaker 9>The same guy that engineered the record is actually playing

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<v Speaker 9>guitar playing.

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<v Speaker 1>James the end of it. Yeah, who engineered it? The

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<v Speaker 1>same dude. We don't use his name. I couldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>tell you his name. So he did everything. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember his name vocals? What the fuck? I mean at

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<v Speaker 1>least cut us a check.

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<v Speaker 9>Bill number one. I was sixteen at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you were you round for the I'm not bill,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>These are bills over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't get paid either, So that's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>on paid.

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<v Speaker 9>I think I'm going to my second class here he

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<v Speaker 9>starts this up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm napping already, thanks Diddy, brother Love, brother Love. So

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<v Speaker 4>were you around for the first round of bdpism the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of we got to advance pre.

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<v Speaker 1>Pre Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 9>Twelve forty one. That was the twelve forty one. That

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<v Speaker 9>was the name of the group, twelve forty.

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<v Speaker 1>One that I didn't know. Yes, yes, that was the

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<v Speaker 1>fresh Prince kind of sounding. Yes. Yes, it sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>a PSA, like just say no the drug psy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it's like.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, twelve forty one was the name of the group

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<v Speaker 9>when Scott was a DJ and at dance Ateria, like

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<v Speaker 9>very old school New York club. He was a DJ

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<v Speaker 9>there and he used to go on at midnight and

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<v Speaker 9>then he told me the story of why you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't really remember, but the name of the group

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<v Speaker 9>was twelve forty one and that wasn't one of the

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<v Speaker 9>sessions I went to when I was just hanging out

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<v Speaker 9>with Scott was to one of those records.

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<v Speaker 4>Advanced, We Got to Advance, We Got to Advance. That

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<v Speaker 4>was like a feel Huxtable type rap. It was horrible, man,

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<v Speaker 4>which probably explains that's probably what my mind. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>they played, mister magic. This tell us it was something else, though,

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<v Speaker 4>say it again. This told us it was something else. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>the song that they played for him, biz tell us

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of this did tell us a lot. He said, well, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>there's like eight other songs.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, I can tell you right now, none

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<v Speaker 9>of the songs on Criminal Mind it was played for

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<v Speaker 9>mister Magic exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that I think that probably success

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<v Speaker 1>is the word.

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<v Speaker 9>Success is the word was twelve forty one, and they

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<v Speaker 9>probably played that song. But I know for sure I

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<v Speaker 9>was in almost every one of those sessions, and I

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<v Speaker 9>know those weren't the songs that was played for Magic

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<v Speaker 9>at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>So what was the difference though, because the eight songs

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<v Speaker 4>that were kind of twelve forty one ish weren't that good?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, was it the anger of revenge.

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<v Speaker 4>That sparked them to like, yo, we gotta come with it,

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<v Speaker 4>or because there's clearly a difference between for our listeners

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<v Speaker 4>that that don't know the legend of Boogie Down productions,

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<v Speaker 4>basically in their they're entry into the worlds at least

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<v Speaker 4>for us, the South Bronx and the Bridge is over

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<v Speaker 4>all these songs are sort of heated responses to mister Magic,

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<v Speaker 4>who scoffed at them in a rude manner when they

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<v Speaker 4>played their demo for him. And I guess that anger

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<v Speaker 4>prompted kind of a joker esque way. Did they get

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<v Speaker 4>a load of me kind of response? But I mean

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<v Speaker 4>the music improved ten thousand percent, So what was what

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<v Speaker 4>I always wanted to know, what was the difference or

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<v Speaker 4>what happened in the creative process that turned the twelve

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<v Speaker 4>forty one stuff which wasn't good to you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>blueprint of what hip hop would follow for the next

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 9>With I know what it was in terms of production

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<v Speaker 9>and at the time we would hear like there was

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<v Speaker 9>this new wave of hip hop in eighty six eighty

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<v Speaker 9>seven you.

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<v Speaker 1>Had Eric being rock Cam like biz, but technically you

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<v Speaker 1>guys were first.

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<v Speaker 9>So but we heard those records though, so before they

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<v Speaker 9>came out, we knew, Yeah, we knew what was coming

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<v Speaker 9>with Marley. Everything that Marley was doing was extremely important

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<v Speaker 9>to our evolution. That's that's why I like, even though

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<v Speaker 9>we had this beef with the Jewe Crew, the Jews

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 9>Crew helped brand BDP in terms of like the sound

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<v Speaker 9>the samples Marley had, you know, the Bridge. Clearly, the

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<v Speaker 9>Bridge came out before South Bronx, you know, and that

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 9>sound that he was doing was so hip hop and

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<v Speaker 9>so raw and like you know, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 9>kind of loved it. I remember being in the studio

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<v Speaker 9>with Scott, and like I said, we were in this

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<v Speaker 9>sixteen track studio in the in the Queens, and even

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<v Speaker 9>the way that he was like sampling these records was

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<v Speaker 9>just different from me, you know, Like I didn't know

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<v Speaker 9>anything about being in the studio, and I know for

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<v Speaker 9>sure that he wanted a record that would compete against

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<v Speaker 9>the Bridge, like he wanted that totally. There was no

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 9>lyrics for South Bronx. It was strictly about the way

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 9>that record felt. Scott wanted to be able to compete

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<v Speaker 9>with that, and he was thinking from like a DJ perspective,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, not to get all deep with it, because

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 9>it's not really that deep. It's when we were in

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<v Speaker 9>that studio. I remember that's what he was playing, and

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 9>that's what he wanted to compete against.

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<v Speaker 4>How long did it take to make? Were you guys

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 4>seventeen hour mix? Or was it like three hours? And

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 4>blame let's run into the river.

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 9>I can say the entire album probably took. If it's

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 9>ten songs, I'm not lying to you. It was done.

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 9>I mean clearly you can hear it because it's old school,

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 9>but it was done. In ten sessions, like ten sessions

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 9>to make Criminal Mind. It was made for under ten

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 9>thousand dollars, for sure, under ten grand South Bronx. We

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 9>went in there, we did that song and at the sky.

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 9>We probably paid like seven hundred and fifty dollars to

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 9>make South Bronx. And he played on it and he

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:00.239
<v Speaker 9>engineered it, he did ever thing.

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Who was the president of rock Candy Records Records, So.

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 9>Rock Candy Records was, man, we can we really talk

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 9>right now. Rock Candy Records was a record company that

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 9>started as they sold pillows. Remember the pillows. They used

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.919
<v Speaker 9>to sell like on the corner, like the big stuff pillows.

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 9>So they used to make the pillows and they were

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 9>all stuffed with like shredded denim. So the table on

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 9>the album cover of Criminal Minded was also a table

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 9>used to make the porn.

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Because they used to shoot porn. Damn, I don't want.

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 9>This company was definitely like they were a small record

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 9>company called rock Candy. But in there, wait, dude, and

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 9>it gets better than that. It was like this Muslim dude.

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 9>There was Aish guy who funded a lot of it.

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 9>Always boy, listen, they made they made porn. I'm not

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 9>making this up.

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Always so pillows.

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 9>There's like I'm just seing the link to them here,

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 9>Like there's a video of Scotland, Scotland Rock and I

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 9>performing South bron Chris couldn't make it, you know, not performed.

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.959
<v Speaker 9>But while we're performing South Bronx, you see these pillows

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:30.719
<v Speaker 9>on the side of us.

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>An early merchan deal, early endorsement, the first three damn.

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 8>Now you wonder what they are. Now that's interesting, a

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 8>musliming and Jewish man coming together for such a.

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes man, man, you're serious, No, I'm dead serious.

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 4>So that was and then what was Boy, we got

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 4>to go further. So who made the deal to get

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 4>with these guys?

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's records there.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 9>We couldn't get deals. I'm telling you the real Yes,

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 9>I could never tell you all of this. Yes, he

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 9>wasn't there. The real deal is Scott and I were

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 9>walking down the street. We were like, I don't even

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 9>it's like on near Like, well, you're not from New York.

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 9>So there's a like an old courthouse on the Grand Concourse.

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 9>We were in that area and Scott saw he had

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 9>this newspaper and in the back of it it had

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 9>all of these companies.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 1>So Scott.

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 9>We had no cell phone. Was none of that, Scott.

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 9>There was Rock Candy Records, and he got their number

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 9>from from a newspaper, like some industry like newspaper called

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 9>set up a meeting. I was on the next phone

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 9>talking to this check and this is the importance of it.

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 9>I know, I'm going way evan conversation. So that one

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 9>particular moment of him being on the phone setting up

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 9>a meeting to meet with the Rock Candy people, I

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 9>was on the phone just talking to just a friend

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 9>of mine. I was fifteen years old at the time.

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 9>I so crazy, man, Like I just I didn't want

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 9>to stand there not doing anything, and I wanted to

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 9>be like, well, if he's on the phone, I need

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 9>to get on the phone too. In that conversation, in

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 9>that moment of like talking to this young lady, nothing flirtatious,

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 9>none of that, her dude grabs the phone from a like, hey,

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 9>I know you're trying to talk to my girl. When

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 9>I see you, I'm gonna kill you. Not making this up.

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 9>In that one conversation where we worked out this meeting

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 9>to get with Rock Candy Records, I had this one

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 9>conversation with this young lady. And the reason why I

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 9>say I'm jumping the gun right now in this conversation

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:01.239
<v Speaker 9>is because that is the one conversation that I had

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 9>was with her was the reason why I ended up

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 9>having issues when we had records out with some random

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 9>dude rolling up on me. Wow, that pulled the gun

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 9>out on me. It had no idea why he was

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 9>pulling the gun on me, like, yo, you were trying

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 9>to talk to my girl and fucking kill you. And

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 9>that ended up being the situation that I was in

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 9>that cost Scott his life so crazy.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>So both seeds were planning at that moment, in that

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>very moment.

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 9>She never even talked about this. I never even thought

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:28.719
<v Speaker 9>about that until now.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 8>Wow.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in that very moment. Damn wow, I'm sorry. I

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>got to take a moment.

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 8>See a therapist just for that moment.

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Now. Damn Now I feel I'm ruin it with the nerve.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So back to the poorn.

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 4>No, but you, but you also mentioned something else. You

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 4>said Scott was DJing that Dancitaria. Was he a legendary

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 4>New York DJ by that time or not at all?

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>He was?

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 4>I know that that Dancitaria is a high reputation nightclub

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Jellybean Benitez was a DJ there.

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I know Madonna frequent there a lot. Yes, that's where

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the artist and all this, Like how did he get

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>a gig at Dancitarian.

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 9>So Scott used to DJ at a club uptown in

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 9>New York called Broadway International. So Broadway International, New York

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 9>City was kind of legendary and it was one of

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 9>the first clubs to allow people to just play hip hop.

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 9>So at Danceitteryia, Scott was he wasn't because you know,

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 9>early on, like people there were, we had no specific

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 9>genre of music that you wanted to just play, like

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 9>you played music. If it felt good, you played. That's

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 9>why I know all of these records as a DJ now,

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 9>because it was just about the groove. So Scott was

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 9>probably an opening DJ at a place like Dancitteria, but

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 9>at at Broadway International, he like that was like a

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 9>night that he did, so they him from that. But yeah,

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 9>I mean I was too young. My first club ever,

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 9>like first time ever going to a club was Latin Quarters.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Here we go, it's been a while. You have a

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>story about Latin I actually do.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 4>They're mocking me because they think I might have don't

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 4>believe it. They think that I have a Latin Quarter fetish,

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 4>but I know that history is made at the Latin Quarter.

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>That's why I purposely didn't mention it, because I know,

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>we know we're going to go there, so it's cool,

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, Latin Quarters. Man, We're gonna wait. This is

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>all right.

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 4>So I have a question and reflection. Have you been

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 4>to any of these gigs with with with with Scott

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 4>Scott as a detail? No, No, you were too young.

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 4>I was.

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 9>I didn't know him at the time. Okay, so by

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 9>the time I met Scott and he stopped, it was

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 9>strictly focusing on making the b DP records.

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 8>And what's the age difference real quick between you and

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 8>Scott at the time.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>He's still seventeen. Yeah I was. No, I was.

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 9>I was fifteen when we met, and Scott was probably

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 9>like twenty five. Well he passed the twenty five so

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 9>Scott was twenty four at the time. So yeah, he

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 9>was a kid, which is so crazy.

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Like a year though.

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 8>That's it's crazy too, because you basically saying you met

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 8>him a year.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 9>I was involved in his life for one year a lot,

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 9>and he changed his life, changed my life, man, you know, Wow,

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 9>I don't know where I would have been without DJ Scottland.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 8>Rock probably still with you, no, for sure.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, So getting to the record labels like rock Candy

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 4>was the first one you guys chose, and wow, I'm

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 4>certain that it was a low end deal because it's

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, because they had pillows pillows. That was an

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 4>evance ours a couple of throw pillows. No, it was

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 4>it was or was the artillery at least real on

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 4>the cover that album?

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>No, that was real? Oh sure, no, that was that.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what you said. That was nerve For me, all

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is nerve and water.

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 9>The guns on that cover and also the UZI on

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 9>A one, Yeah.

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>That that was real.

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 8>We ain't gonna say were disappear just appear?

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 8>Shoot, I don't want to know that that much limitation.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 4>So once these songs are made, what is the testing

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 4>ground to see, like, how do things go viral? At

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 4>that point the test in nineteen eighty six, how do

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 4>things go viral?

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 9>So in New York City was it like in park jams?

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 9>And specific was like if you tested your record at

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 9>a park jam and if people were rocking to it,

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 9>that was it. Now there are two moments that I

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 9>clearly remember. One was Scott and I back in the day,

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 9>you know, before m P three's, they would have what's

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 9>known as an acetate and just like, yeah, we just

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 9>had We had like twelve of them, twelve to fifteen

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 9>of them pressed up. And matter of fact, it was

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 9>like we went from Tom Coin like Tom Unknown Man,

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 9>we can talk music, bro. Tom was like every record

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 9>that we've we ever recorded was done by that dude.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 9>He mastered everything. Ling Man like mastered everything from.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>The South Bronx to Hamilton. That's so crazy.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 9>But we went from like we had these plates done

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 9>at a place on forty second stret I can't remember

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.479
<v Speaker 9>the name of it, but we Scott and I would

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 9>walk around to like Park Jams and play the records

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 9>and I remember performing South Bronx and all I ever

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 9>said on that record was Joe was sub Scotland rock.

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 9>But we would go to Park Jams and because Chris

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 9>lived in Brooklyn at the time, actually no, he didn't

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 9>live in Brooklyn.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>He lived in the.

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 9>No, he lived in the in the refrigerator in the

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 9>freezer of Rock Candy Records.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 4>So.

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Freezers, dude.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 9>Wait, I'm not making this up. Chris and Miss Melody. Damn,

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 9>I'm going back.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry about this. Girl. Dude got me thinking about.

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 9>So well, we wade South Bronx in the same studio

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 9>or the same picture of office that they made the

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 9>porn and we shot the album covernor downstairs it was

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 9>like this a warehouse that that the office was housing

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 9>on on in like the Cypress area of the Bronx

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 9>with Susan No, not Susan Rond. What's the other the

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 9>other strip club? You know what I'm saying, a lot

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 9>of foolishness going over on over there. Anyway, downstairs there

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 9>was a freezer in the garage, so you know, like

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 9>if it's like if you it was a place where

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 9>you house like food you at the truck in or

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 9>dead bodies in the freezer. That's where Karas live with

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 9>Miss Melody. Now what's crazy about this is you know

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 9>the rolling paper, like when you're doing like big shipping

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 9>and you use the rolling paper around. You know, we

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 9>laid that down as carpet, put their bed in there,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 9>and that's where they lived and Chris had to be

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 9>home at a certain hour before they closed because once

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 9>you were in that's when they locked it up. This

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 9>is I'm telling BDP. They didn't have one. You know,

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 9>once you're in, you're in, so you're in the freezer.

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 9>They lived in the freezer. When you get them.

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>On adam Min's shelter.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 4>It's strictly to sleep in overnight, so you have to

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 4>be in a certain time and then in the morning

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 4>what time is it let out?

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 9>So in the morning, I mean, I never lived in

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 9>the men shelter. I just want to make that sch

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 9>but no, in the morning they had to get up,

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 9>you know, seven am, and get out, try to find

0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 9>a jobs or whatever, and then they had to be

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 9>at a certain time. So in the men's shelter it

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 9>was like Krs Justice, I see you live there. Scottland

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 9>Rock was the social worker, a manager Moe who you

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 9>know still one of my best friends and managed our group,

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 9>was a security guard there. So that men's shelter was

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 9>extremely portant important to like early.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop, did they not have families or like what?

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm certain that I know that the conditions in the

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Bronx were like in Dire Straits. But was it just

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 4>because they didn't have family issues or.

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what Chris's situation was and why he

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 9>was in the men's shelter. You know, I couldn't tell

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 9>you why. You know, I didn't meet Kenny Parker until

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 9>maybe like when we did Jack Space, So it was

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 9>around that album, So Jack of Space came out.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>That was eighty No, no, it was eighty nine. No, no, no,

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>it was like eighty eight eighty eight.

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Because it's super amazing to me that, uh, like, just

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 4>in general, like we're so dismissive of the home of

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 4>the of the homeless that they're damn near invisible to

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 4>us in society, because I think a lot of us

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 4>fear that that, you know, a lot of us are

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, two checks away to Yeah, So it's like

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to look at them, you know, to look

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 4>them in the eye and deal with it.

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, I'm more amazed that.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 4>In general people didn't scoff and just be like, you know,

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 4>like you're holmemost like, but there's the future of music

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 4>in this situation. So it's amazing to me how they

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 4>pulled themselves out of their position.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 8>But isn't it amazing too that Scotland Rock was like

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 8>a social worker already.

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 9>And actually I want to I want to take something back.

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 9>Just I don't think Justice lived there, just with friends.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 9>I want to clear that up. Okay, I thought, but

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.760
<v Speaker 9>I see you definitely lived there. Chris definitely only lived.

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>There, you know.

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 8>And they're how old at the time.

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.839
<v Speaker 9>Chris was pretty much the same age as Scott. So yeah,

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 9>Chris was roughly around twenty three, twenty four years old.

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, yeah, I mean we oft to them for

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 4>changing their situation around.

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to go from sleeping in the freezer to having

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>a recording career.

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 4>So how were they able to learn because let's not

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 4>forget they changed hip hop, So how are they able

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 4>to learn technology? And I have these records like most

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 4>of us have the comfort of oh yeah, my mom

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:35.839
<v Speaker 4>and dad have these records in our home.

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, but like one of the resources they have to

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>know to change things.

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 9>Remember, Scott was the social.

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Work Okay, so Scott situationatt went to you know, he

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>was college educated.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 9>He went to school in Vermont, like Scott was always

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.359
<v Speaker 9>wait he was yes, yeah, he went to I can't

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 9>remember which school, but he went to school. He went

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 9>to school in Vermont. Scott was a straight nerd, like

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 9>he would be sitting here doing this podcast with you,

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 9>like He was a straight up nerd back then, bro

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 9>like but he was a nerd dude that loved music,

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 9>that loved hip hop and listen, I never heard of

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 9>an interview. Let me tell you, man, I'll tell you

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 9>how much I loved Scott.

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>He was a nerd.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 9>But we also anytime something happened, we would figure it out.

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 9>So I'll give you I'll give you a funny story.

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 9>First time I've ever been on a plane after South

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 9>Bronx was out was our very first show was in Rochester,

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 9>New York.

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>W d k X so in super ho.

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 11>No, so.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 1>We went.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 9>We were doing the show in Rochester. South Bronx was

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 9>the only record we had out. Dude, this is crazy.

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>So we went.

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 9>We had no place to stay, it was a one

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 9>way ticket, didn't have a fly back. We were going

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 9>to do this show and it was great. I lost

0:40:52.760 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 9>my virginity at this show. The show was extremely important.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>That's how you remember it. So well, what is this

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 1>chapter gonna?

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 4>This is?

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I figured out Rochester, Chester, So we went.

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 9>We went to this show, we performed. We didn't have

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 9>a hotel room. So the guy that brought us up,

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 9>his name was Scotty. I remember this man like, it's crazy.

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 9>So Scottie, I can't remember your sister's name.

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 1>That my virginity to So what's so?

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 9>What's crazy is Scott we flew into Rochester and he

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 9>brought a young lady with us. So it was it

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 9>was Terras, Scotland Rock, myself and this young lady and

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 9>the guy that produced the show brought us. He asked

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 9>us to stay at his house. So in the middle

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 9>of the night, not me know this is crazy. In

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 9>the middle of the night, his mom woke up. She

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 9>was super Christian. She found out that there was a

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 9>young lady staying with us.

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yo.

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 9>She walked around the house and she had like the

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 9>holy water and she was putting crosses on our heads

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 9>and she and she told us to get out of

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 9>her house, and only the young lady could stay. So

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 9>we had no place to go.

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>We had no money.

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 9>Me, Scott, Caress, dude. We broke into like a motel six.

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 9>What we broke into a motel six and we the

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 9>three of us, stayed in this one room. Scott slept

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 9>in the bed, Kara slept on the floor. I slept

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 9>on the desk. But we knew we had to get

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 9>out of the room before before.

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Came. So we like, you get in the room, like.

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 9>Literally broke it was a motel six, so you know.

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought you crashed the windows.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, like kick through the door, just staying yo, man,

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 9>I think.

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Y'all, y'all, y'all went through the fire to make my

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>life easy. It's crazy.

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 8>The social worker, the fifteen year old, and I can't.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, did you guys have tour support support?

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 9>We didn't have a check rider, we didn't have any

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 9>of that. No, so so what the story gets better though,

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 9>So after breaking into this hotel room, we left like

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 9>five or six in the morning, and we fell asleep

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 9>on these steps and it was the steps of a school.

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 9>And I swear to you, the three of us woke

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 9>up to like these little kids throwing candy at.

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Wake up.

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 8>And what did you say you did last night? You

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 8>said you broke it a million dollars. Okay, this man,

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 8>you come a long way.

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>The song the sound came and hooked him up. The

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:54.319
<v Speaker 1>song throwing candy at him? Not a bad life.

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 4>How did you guys organize shows in those early days

0:43:58.160 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 4>when you didn't have.

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, a ten song catalog?

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 4>To perform for the audience when you only had three songs,

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 4>like would you just go back and forth on big

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 4>beat for twenty minutes? Or somebody say ho, or like

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 4>how did you you only had a little bit of

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 4>vegetable and meat, but you needed a lot of broth?

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Like what was it a show back then for twenty minutes?

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry? That was a good reference? Was he a sports?

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 1>That was a solid soup metaphor and a first of many?

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 9>Please we know there. We didn't do a lot of

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 9>freestyle stuff at all.

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>You just do your one song and that's it was.

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 9>Yet we did the one well, we always had two songs,

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 9>so we had South Bronx and the PS three, So

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 9>that was my involvement.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 1>So I was right, you're the t R eight oh eight. Yeah.

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 9>I was doing the beatbox on the PS three my

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 9>first time and probably No No first and I think

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 9>the second time beatboxing was on No Rozelle. By the way,

0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 9>No Rozelle only beatbox on two records. He is Free

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 9>and on Uh the Bioman's Necessary album there was a

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 9>song with.

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Breath control, breath control, that's you? Was that Booby is Necessary?

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 9>That was on the Blueprint yeah, I worked.

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is you. Yeah, that was my damn yeah

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that nice? Nice nice, That was me with the sample,

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you know that is right? Uh well he starts with

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles and then is that Duke Gallington?

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 9>No, No, the beat is Oh my gosh, hate Jude,

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 9>who did hate you?

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>The Beatles? Not the Beatles? The Soul version Clarence not

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Clarence William the hundred. What's that? What's his name in

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the Night Hour? What's his name?

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 9>Wilson Pickett, Wilson Wilson Pickets version. So I sampled it

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 9>is yeah, organ, the organ.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that was that.

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 9>That was the Wilson Pickett version of Hey.

0:45:56.440 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 4>Nice Okay, okay, So okay, I gotta get to the

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 4>rivalry part. So you know, are you guys, were there

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 4>any meetings between not meetings, rivalries or whatever between the

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 4>Jews Crew you guys after that initial meeting, Like because

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 4>New York hip hops community is small, so surely there

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 4>has to be a running or two.

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 9>So with the Jewe Crew, I don't know what happened

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 9>before I was involved with the group, So I you know,

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 9>I really part of South Bronx. I didn't understand because

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.959
<v Speaker 9>I you know, I wasn't there to experience that first

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 9>meeting that care Us and Scott had afterwards, My best

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.279
<v Speaker 9>friend was in the Juice Crew and still one of

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 9>my best friends to this day, Big Daddy Kane.

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So before any not to say, y'all still used to

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>give him shoutouts.

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, came was always king was my dude, like that

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 9>was I mean, he and kr Us or he actually

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 9>helped care Us move into his first apartment. So even

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 9>though we had this rivalry with the Juice Crew, it

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 9>was more about records than anything. I mean, there was

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.399
<v Speaker 9>some animosity there because I'll talk about it at all.

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 9>It was just like we never had those conversations. At

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 9>least I was never a part of those conversations. I

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 9>don't know if Chris did with Magic or but no,

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 9>we it was strictly about records and versus those guys

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 9>because Marty, come on, you know, Marley worked with Chris

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 9>Man Like, Marley was always a good dude. And and

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 9>the thing about me is, you know, back then and

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 9>even now, man, I was always a lover of hip

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 9>hop and producers. Like once I once I became involved

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 9>with it, it's like I wanted to know everything about

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 9>the culture like everything, and when I met the players,

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 9>you know, when I met Marri or when I met

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.320
<v Speaker 9>Dougie Fresh or like, I was always a fan. So

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 9>even though we made these records and bridges over, I

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 9>was still a fan of those dudes, Like they walked

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 9>into a room. I remember being in a club in

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 9>the Bronx on Tremont Avenue and I was there by

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 9>myself at this club, and I remember when the Juice

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.800
<v Speaker 9>crew walked in. There was this swag about it, like,

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 9>you know, to see Shan walk in with Biz and

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 9>TJ Swan and then walking in to do a show.

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 9>She was crazy to me, Like even though we were

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 9>competing against them, respect that, yeah, because they really had

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 9>a crew. We didn't have a crew. It was Scottland

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 9>rock care resting in myself, I.

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Thought y'all rolled ten billions based on that. My philosophy

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>video was like yo, yeah, so I couldn't even tell

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you who have of those people are all Fat Freddy's

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>friends exactly? So I gotta go there? What give us? All? Right?

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 4>There's a nightclub in midtown Manhattan. Oh yeah, I don't

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 4>know if you heard about it. What it's called the

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:48.399
<v Speaker 4>Latin Quarter.

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I have been there before, man, So.

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 4>For you, can you just give us a general synopsis

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 4>of reopen the Latin Quarter, or at least make a

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 4>documentary about it.

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, that's one of the docs I want

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 9>to work on is on the Latin because it was

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 9>such First of all, I had no idea. It wasn't

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.399
<v Speaker 9>until two thousand and like roughly around two thousand and five,

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 9>two thousand and six. I was at you know, buddy

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 9>Chris Lighty's house and we were in the backyard playing

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 9>basketball and we talked about the Latin Quarter. I had

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 9>no idea that it was a juice bar, like they

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 9>served no alcohol. Wait, wait, listen, there was no alcohol

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:31.240
<v Speaker 9>served at our parties.

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 8>Nobody has said this.

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.839
<v Speaker 4>No wait, during that hip hop era, during the hip

0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 4>hop era, you weren't getting nice.

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 8>No.

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 9>That's so when Chris said, yeah, it's crazy there was

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 9>a juice bar, I was like, what are you talking about?

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 9>Because I was too young to drink. I was in

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 9>there when I was like fifteen sixteen. They served no alcohol.

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 9>So all all that aggression was just dudes probably getting

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 9>nice before the club and the way hip hop made

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 9>them feel. And when I tell you that this club was.

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 9>This club was everything. This was the mecha of hip

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 9>hop at the time, you know, like everything changed from

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.399
<v Speaker 9>this club. That was the first place we ever played

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 9>South Bronx. That was the first time I ever heard

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 9>Eric being rock him. Matter of fact, it was the

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 9>first time that I met Mike Tyson. So here's my

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 9>Mike Tyson story.

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Together.

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 9>Mike Tyson was a beast. We were all young, young

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 9>dude like.

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 1>So we walked this point.

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.919
<v Speaker 9>He was Mike Tyson, but he didn't have the belt

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 9>was six, I mean six, too much of this guy, Damn.

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Six. This was eighty six.

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 9>So I remember walking into the restroom into the I'm

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 9>a little nice right now in a little boogie.

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>So I walked into the.

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:49.800
<v Speaker 9>Bathroom, walked walked into the bathroom, and Mike Tyson was

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 9>next to me taking a piss. This is this is

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 9>real ship right here. Mike accidentally stepped on a dudes stepped.

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>On the sneakers. Dude.

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 9>Dude was like, yo, you stepped the much blah blah blah,

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 9>and Mike hit him one time, knocked the dude out

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.680
<v Speaker 9>in the bathroom and then stepped over him to exit

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:10.360
<v Speaker 9>the bathroom.

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>No lie.

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 8>Was there he can tell you no words like he

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 8>ain't saying nothing.

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:24.120
<v Speaker 1>To say anything. This dude out stepped over him and

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>walked out. We have another Mike Tyson punched somebody's story.

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I swear to God we have the name of campbells

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Naomi Campbell. So I mean she didn't push nail me

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 1>out the car?

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:39.840
<v Speaker 8>Did you know Hea the Hunter? Because you know she

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 8>lived at the Latin Quarter we have.

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 9>I've known Heather since back then in the freezer, since

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.320
<v Speaker 9>the freezer pillows. I don't know her in the freezer

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.360
<v Speaker 9>or with the pillows under her back, none of that,

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:50.800
<v Speaker 9>none of that.

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:52.759
<v Speaker 8>You haven't see that apartment, she says. They look like

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 8>the Cotton Club and whatnot up there that's in Dumbo

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 8>or inside the last She lived in the Latin Quarter

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 8>with David Copperfield.

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Wait, wait, David Copperfield lived in the Latin Quarter.

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 9>So the guy who owned the guy who owned the

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 9>Latin Quarter was a guy named Mike. I can't remember

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 9>Mike's last name, but Mike managed David Copperfield back then,

0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 9>so he was making his money from from now some

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 9>other things, but no, for sure he managed David Copperfield.

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 9>I remember, so every time I see David Copperfield's name

0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 9>in Vegas, I'm like, I could make it too.

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I could do this. Wow, disappear at the Latin Quarter happen.

0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 9>No, that's crazy. I didn't know you were obsessed with

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 9>the Latin Quarters. Man, it was serious.

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with hip hop history.

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 4>But I'm more I'm trying to figure out why because

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 4>of Okay, it's one thing for you to be like

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 4>a legend or in the industry and you roll with

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people, like if you're carrying Red alerts

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 4>records something you kind of protected you in the DJ

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 4>booth or whatever. But I'm just to the point where

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 4>people were coming from all walks of life to getting

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 4>this club, and you know, your chain could be victed,

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:15.240
<v Speaker 4>you could be It's like going to the prison yard jackets.

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.479
<v Speaker 4>But everybody, but everyone that sits and tells that Latin

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Quarter story has such romantic, kind of amazing stories, Like,

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 4>but people are getting jacked and fucked up.

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.399
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but when you're a part of it, you don't

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 9>realize that you just got jacked fucked up.

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 4>You're like just happy to be there, Like, is it

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 4>you know one person that just has a fuck Latin

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 4>quarter stories like I got I.

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 9>Don't know anyone, and I'm telling you I've seen a

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 9>lot of shit happen in the Latin quarters. Here's another story, right,

0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 9>so we're in the Latin quarters and this is why

0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 9>this should be in a juice bar. Is so crazy

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 9>to me because I cannot believe that everyone was fighting

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 9>like this, like it was sober. It was fighting like

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.680
<v Speaker 9>the sober dude. Like there was a dude who worked

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 9>at the front door. They called he had a doll

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 9>made after him, like in the eighties, he was called Sunman.

0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:13.800
<v Speaker 9>If you wait what yo wait wait he was like

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 9>he was was.

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:16.279
<v Speaker 1>That was.

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.600
<v Speaker 9>His whole body was like a y like and they

0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 9>called him sonman. Like I'm not making this up. MC search,

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 9>you asked, search Search was there. Michael Rappaport was there

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.240
<v Speaker 9>like this, Listen. He was bold enough to get Michael

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 9>rap everywhere, was everywhere. I'm not lying, broke, Michael rapp

0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 9>Report is the truth. People people look at him sometime

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 9>they're like, you coach you roser. No, he was there,

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 9>like he was there all the ship he talks. I

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 9>swear to you, Michael Rappaport was there. He was there

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 9>the one skinny Skinny Kid, skinny white Kid. In the

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.280
<v Speaker 9>middle of hip hop party was Mike Rappaport.

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Is this man, dude? Is that the doll?

0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:00.759
<v Speaker 9>So that's the doll from back in the day. That's yo.

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 9>The guy was that is smart he.

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Having? And what was son Man's special power? I don't

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>even know. He blocked before sun Man word son Man.

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So he was the guy he was.

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 9>He was the security back at the Latin Quarters. So

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:33.280
<v Speaker 9>he let certain people in anyway, So once we were inside,

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 9>you always felt safe, but not really because she always

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 9>because some man was at the door. How many people

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 9>were at the door? I couldn't even tell you. I

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:46.919
<v Speaker 9>do remember son Man. I remember son Man. God damn,

0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:52.240
<v Speaker 9>I have his number on my phone. No, but these dudes,

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 9>this is too much to rock. By the way, brother Love,

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 9>I love you. I can be extremely honest. These dudes.

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 9>If there was a fight going on in front of

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:09.879
<v Speaker 9>the Latin Quarters, I swear to God, they would lift

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 9>up the cars and move the cars. They were that strong.

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:16.320
<v Speaker 9>It was like dudes that was at the door and

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 9>they weren't in full force, but they weren't dressed like them,

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 9>but they would, like I swear to you, bro like

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 9>move cars.

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:28.640
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy. Yo.

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.879
<v Speaker 9>The Latin Quarters by far the best experience I ever

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 9>had in my life in terms of being in the

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 9>club in just pure hip hop moments. There was a

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 9>moment in the quarters right where the Decepticons were fighting

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:41.959
<v Speaker 9>against the A team.

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Wait, there was the eighteen there. I never heard the

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 1>eight so.

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:49.560
<v Speaker 9>They were all there were a bunch of dancers that

0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:55.359
<v Speaker 9>could fight well. But yo, that's the best I've ever heard.

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 8>But the.

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Thing is, I can fight well.

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 9>By the way, if you're still alive, no disiness bag.

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 9>But no, this moment was so crazy. So we're in

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 9>the club. I don't know why they started fighting. I

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 9>just remember LL had his big cool j ring.

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 1>So you know the story. I've heard of this story.

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:29.280
<v Speaker 1>So the story. I was there.

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 9>I saw the fights happening. I was safely in the

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 9>DJ booth with red alert. But red alert listen, man,

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 9>red alert is in O G Chris lighty O gs LLLL.

0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 9>You can say what you want about him licking his

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:43.800
<v Speaker 9>lips that.

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Hell j O G. Man.

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 9>The fights happened, people were trying to like trying to

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 9>rob LLLL. Pretty much what this was, I'm telling you.

0:57:57.720 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 9>It was like the wild Wild West bro.

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:02.439
<v Speaker 1>So the lights were on, but with dancing.

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:13.560
<v Speaker 11>Choreography, it was like the dude, it was crazy in

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:18.120
<v Speaker 11>all of these sections of people fighting, the Scepticons, the

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:22.520
<v Speaker 11>A Team, and this regular party goes un.

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 9>So everyone's fighting.

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm into DJ booth, like you, this is crazy. This

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>is crazy.

0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 9>Red Alert was trying to jump from the DJ booth

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 9>because it was on the second level. He was trying

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 9>to jump out of the DJ booth because Chris Lighty

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.920
<v Speaker 9>was fighting. Chris Lighty's fighting because Chris is trying to

0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 9>protect LLLL and Chris used to carry Red Alerts records

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 9>at the time, So Chris is fighting, everyone's fighting. Scott

0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 9>Lak and I in the DJ booth. I don't know

0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.560
<v Speaker 9>if Kris was there. I honestly don't know. But what

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:53.960
<v Speaker 9>I do know is this once, once the fighting stopped,

0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 9>LLLL had handled his right l I I you know, like, look,

0:58:59.200 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 9>I'm telling you.

0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>This, that one with.

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:09.000
<v Speaker 9>His lips licked, licking his lips. He handled, He handled

0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 9>this bro like Chris Lighty was a beast, like for real,

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 9>for real.

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I've heard that about Chris.

0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 9>Chris was a beast. Chris walked into the DJ booth,

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 9>and I won't forget this moment. He kept saying, my

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 9>back is burning, my back is burned. And he pulled

0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 9>his shirt off in front of scottlar Rocker and I

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 9>in this DJ booth, And that was the first I

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 9>didn't know what raizor blade slices looked like. So when

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.439
<v Speaker 9>he pulled his shirt off and he bent his back,

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 9>everything just opened up crazy like Gloria, like give me

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 9>a sip of rocket.

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't quite like like, so you're saying that weapons

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 1>would still get inside of with Sunman at the door,

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Damn your son Man Man on the phone, crazy, it's crazy.

1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 9>I'm exhausted, she said, I'm exhausted. Yeah, no, I've seen

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.200
<v Speaker 9>I've seen some things. Man, Latin Quarters Man, this should

1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:18.440
<v Speaker 9>definitely be a documentary on the Latin.

1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Quarters or at least like a fictionalized yeah, b T tails.

1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 12>You know, Leftime Movie Network, Definitely, Netflix, dancography the way

1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 12>that the way that it is today, where you know,

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:43.640
<v Speaker 12>unless you're a bona fide celebrity, i e.

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:46.600
<v Speaker 1>You put a Drake song on, you know, oh that's Drake,

1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.760
<v Speaker 1>or uh, there's the New Migos or whatever.

1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Maybe Cardi B has uh, at least a three or

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.440
<v Speaker 4>four second pass of playing untested material, and you know,

1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and that's her voice, and so it's like, all right,

1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.640
<v Speaker 4>we'll give that a chance, or you know whatever, Kanye

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:02.520
<v Speaker 4>or whoever's winning at the moment.

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:06.680
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I hear that a lot of these

1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:08.320
<v Speaker 1>songs were tested.

1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:12.680
<v Speaker 4>At the Latin Quarter and went off like gangbusters without

1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 4>people really knowing that, Like, you know, these guys weren't celebrities.

1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:21.480
<v Speaker 4>So it's like you're hearing you're hearing Rebel without a

1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:26.160
<v Speaker 4>pause the first time, knowing that you didn't think too

1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:30.040
<v Speaker 4>highly of Public Enemy's performance the year before whenever they

1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.080
<v Speaker 4>first performed. Chuck said that they had a horrible performance

1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:35.640
<v Speaker 4>at the Latin Quarter that really didn't go off well.

1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 4>And you know Mel was disrespected, but it's just.

1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Wait, male disrespected them too.

1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Disrespect was like the Heckler the going from what from

1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:47.760
<v Speaker 4>different stories we've heard, like he.

1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Hit in the back.

1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:51.720
<v Speaker 4>Just why that Mel you would try to skip the

1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:53.640
<v Speaker 4>record in the DJ booth if he didn't like a

1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:59.480
<v Speaker 4>particular act or you're crazy, because I mean by that

1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:03.240
<v Speaker 4>point now was like like thirty two, thirty three, So

1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:07.720
<v Speaker 4>it's like the new generation was I mean be like

1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:11.120
<v Speaker 4>me trying to go to uh one, ok right now, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know me if you are worried about what

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Anyway? Wait, some even crazier?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is some even crazier?

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<v Speaker 4>So now if it's an all ages show where kids

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<v Speaker 4>are there, uh and by kids, I mean like the

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<v Speaker 4>kids of like whoever, like our real roots fans are

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<v Speaker 4>like they bring them twelve to thirteen years old. Yo,

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<v Speaker 4>motherfuckers think that we're now doing the Drake song, Oh Drake,

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<v Speaker 4>oh Drake's, Oh my God, like my Drake trek check is.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome for what one of those songs on if you're

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<v Speaker 1>reading they're reading this, okay, shut me neither.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you got me as one of his hooks,

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<v Speaker 4>like he does it twice at the end. But when

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<v Speaker 4>we do it, the look on their faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're doing it's good.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's good, but it's just you just don't

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<v Speaker 8>It's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes you feel old.

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<v Speaker 8>That's made me feel old.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>They know the song, that's all.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't hear the check, so I just feel old.

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<v Speaker 8>I listened to the story, you know that's wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just take the hook again? Look? Man, quest

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<v Speaker 1>A little coffee and full of singing. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>the young boy. I gotta this movie. Get back to

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, more stories. I'm sorry, we just needed had coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Please off.

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<v Speaker 4>So why why did Mel come up to you guys

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<v Speaker 4>to pick a battle? Was it because it was all

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<v Speaker 4>about you guys?

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<v Speaker 9>Or you know right now, like if you're listening, I

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<v Speaker 9>love you. Back then, I looked at him. He was

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<v Speaker 9>a straight hater. Yeah, straight up hater. And and I'll

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<v Speaker 9>tell you a story, brother, we were And I remember

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<v Speaker 9>this clearly because at the time I was mad at

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<v Speaker 9>KRS and I was getting my first apartment and.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Lewis, I know, this is wait a minute, different world,

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<v Speaker 1>cosmby people were coming to this.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, yes, Don Lewis was like my big sister down,

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<v Speaker 9>I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is she now?

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<v Speaker 9>She's still you know, she's still making stuff and you

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<v Speaker 9>know she's in LA But no, Don Dawn was that.

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<v Speaker 9>This is why I remember these stories because of moments

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<v Speaker 9>in my life where it was so important and pivotal moments.

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<v Speaker 9>I had my first apartment when I was sixteen. I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't have a bed. I used to sleep on these coats,

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<v Speaker 9>not like I had one bedroom apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never bet.

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<v Speaker 9>All I had was a stereo system. That's all I

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<v Speaker 9>wanted music. No no bed, not a sofa, not even

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<v Speaker 9>a plate. I had an apartment. The apartment had like

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<v Speaker 9>you know, back in the day they used to glue

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<v Speaker 9>the like the carpet to the floor. Just imagine no

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<v Speaker 9>carpet and it was all half scraped. These are my

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<v Speaker 9>memories of like that time we're part of New York.

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<v Speaker 9>I was living in Washington Heights on Edgecomb Avenue and

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<v Speaker 9>like one hundred and sixty third Street in Edgecomb, right

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<v Speaker 9>right by the bridge going into the Bronx. So I

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<v Speaker 9>remember that vividly and going to the quarters this one

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<v Speaker 9>particular night. And this night that I went to the quarters,

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<v Speaker 9>Melle Mel was there, Miss Melody was there. It was

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<v Speaker 9>you know, regular rap show with like a thousand people

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<v Speaker 9>on stage. You don't really know, but everybody just wants

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<v Speaker 9>to be on stage the rap shit. And Mellie Mel said,

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<v Speaker 9>fuck these niggas, fuck that ship. We had South Bronx out.

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<v Speaker 9>So when kas performs poetry, when he said say something,

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<v Speaker 9>now thought, so he did that rhyme that night before

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<v Speaker 9>poetry was done. We only had South Bronx out, so

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<v Speaker 9>Mel said what he said, and Chris was on the

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<v Speaker 9>mic rhyming and doing poetry. So that's the one time

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<v Speaker 9>of like freestyling that I personally remember where Chris was

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<v Speaker 9>like say something now and put the mic to Mel's

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<v Speaker 9>face and he said nothing, kind of like when you

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<v Speaker 9>asked me to rhyme.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier, and.

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<v Speaker 9>Then he was like thought so, and the crowd went crazy.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the Melli Mel experience that I remember where I

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<v Speaker 9>lost all respect for Mel. I was strictly because even

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<v Speaker 9>though I'm in a group, I'm like, Kris is the king. Whoa,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not down. No, Cara Rest was the king bro

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<v Speaker 9>like the king of disrespecting early on.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was would rhymes on standby and he just

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<v Speaker 1>had rhymes man.

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<v Speaker 9>Outside of literally outside of like Black Thought and Big

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<v Speaker 9>Daddy Kane. I don't know anyone in Tupac. Tupac had

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<v Speaker 9>rhymes for fucking years. We'll still here Tupac records and

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<v Speaker 9>when we're like ninety brand new joints. But those dudes were,

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<v Speaker 9>in my opinion, true MC's that was always prepared, always

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<v Speaker 9>had something. They always had something.

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<v Speaker 4>Chris told me, he showed me like a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>he had at least four competitions of notebooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the last thing he left us with.

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<v Speaker 4>The last thing he left us with, he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I even got a black thought this He said he would.

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<v Speaker 9>Write, this is for Chris, would write he would have

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<v Speaker 9>this record.

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<v Speaker 1>So he turned to the page he has.

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<v Speaker 4>No he's he was like, he was like some next movement,

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<v Speaker 4>like he had he had it just in case I'm

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<v Speaker 4>ready for you.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm always Kris always had lyrics for every MC that

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<v Speaker 9>was hot from Caine everything, and Caine was our boy,

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<v Speaker 9>but he was still in the Juice Crew. So Chris

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<v Speaker 9>was always prepared to battle anyone. And that was something

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<v Speaker 9>that I was never really I didn't know about that

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<v Speaker 9>any of that, you know, I mean records, because it

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<v Speaker 9>was I just loved music. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>really prepared for that kind of m scene, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So talk to me about regrouping in the group's future

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<v Speaker 4>after Scott passed. Like at that time, was it just

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<v Speaker 4>like okay, but well I guess that's it no more?

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<v Speaker 4>Or was it like we gotta do this in Scott's

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<v Speaker 4>memory and no, it was like how what happened?

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<v Speaker 9>So just to tell you know the QLs audience. Scott

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<v Speaker 9>love Rock passed away coming to my aid. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>I had an issue with a young not even with

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<v Speaker 9>a young lady, some random issue, wasn't even an issue

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<v Speaker 9>of my own. Scott came to my aid and this

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<v Speaker 9>is this was so crazy, bro like. We're in the Bronx,

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<v Speaker 9>Highbridge area of the Bronx. It's probably I don't even

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<v Speaker 9>remember the exact street, but we were in the Highbridge

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<v Speaker 9>area of the Bronx, not too far from Yankee Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I grew up.

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<v Speaker 9>We're in this area and walking down the street eight

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<v Speaker 9>o'clock in the morning, a group of people rolled up

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<v Speaker 9>on me, had no idea who they were, and had

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<v Speaker 9>this beef with them where they pulled the gun out,

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<v Speaker 9>smacked me with the pistol and ran off. The first

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<v Speaker 9>person that I called was Scott. I went to a

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<v Speaker 9>pay phone called Scott, told him what happened. And Scott

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<v Speaker 9>already had this crazy day of locking himself out, locking

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<v Speaker 9>himself not laughing at his death at all, but locking

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<v Speaker 9>himself out of his apartment and hanging a rope from

1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:06.680
<v Speaker 9>a fire escape down to his apartment to climb into

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<v Speaker 9>the window. It was just one of those days like yo,

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<v Speaker 9>back in the day in the Bronx is what you

1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:14.519
<v Speaker 9>had to do, man. So that's why that's why I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 9>this life is great. This life is great. So Scott,

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<v Speaker 9>after having that situation, I called Scott up and he

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<v Speaker 9>the one thing that he told me was, look, man,

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<v Speaker 9>we don't need any issues. We don't need any issues.

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<v Speaker 9>We need to squash this like it needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm going to come over, We're going to find the people,

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<v Speaker 9>make sure everything is cool. And our mission of peace

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<v Speaker 9>was strictly about peace until this one guy, This one

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<v Speaker 9>guy that we had with us, we called him Robocops.

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<v Speaker 9>So he was the original guy, not the one care

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<v Speaker 9>Ris mentions on like I'm still number one, but he

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<v Speaker 9>was the original guy that we worked with. He was

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<v Speaker 9>He also was like a security guard at the Latin quarters.

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<v Speaker 9>But what we didn't know was that he was the

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<v Speaker 9>east Side rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this sounds crazy, sh turn around. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do.

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<v Speaker 8>I just got nervous.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know he was the east Side rapist. So

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<v Speaker 9>later on, if you google him, east side rapist New York,

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<v Speaker 9>Daryl was his name.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm afraid to how many right now know how many

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<v Speaker 8>bicks he got under that?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know. It was wow like But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 9>this guy was a hothead dude, you know. And so

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<v Speaker 9>the mission of peace of like going to the Bronx

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<v Speaker 9>to find these guys that that rolled up on me

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<v Speaker 9>became a mission of like, we're looking for trouble only

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<v Speaker 9>because of this one person. So he we were at

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<v Speaker 9>the projects highbridg High Bridge projects in the Bronx were

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<v Speaker 9>we were on one side of the street. Uh K

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<v Speaker 9>seven was there before he was K seven. He was

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<v Speaker 9>in another group before that t K. So he was

1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:51.240
<v Speaker 9>around there like we were. I remember this was one

1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:53.439
<v Speaker 9>one way street. We were parked in the right right

1:11:53.520 --> 1:11:56.760
<v Speaker 9>hand side. The projects were on the left. It's still

1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:58.600
<v Speaker 9>that's rock talking. So if I slur a little bit,

1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:02.560
<v Speaker 9>please forget me. But anyway, Scott and I were. It

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<v Speaker 9>was me, Scott, manager, Moe, Mick Bull, and the guy

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<v Speaker 9>we call RoboCop. So RoboCop went to ask one gentleman, hey,

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<v Speaker 9>we're looking for blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't hear the conversation.

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<v Speaker 9>What all we saw was whatever this dude said to

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<v Speaker 9>him angered him, and he picked and he was like

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<v Speaker 9>a six four sixty five dude picked this young.

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<v Speaker 1>Kid up and just slammed him.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, which was that was a crazy moment because if

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<v Speaker 9>if it wasn't all about peace for them at that point,

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<v Speaker 9>to us, it was like we were coming to just

1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:38.360
<v Speaker 9>make sure we had no issues. But in that moment,

1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:43.360
<v Speaker 9>those kids were like, this is it's on. And while

1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.360
<v Speaker 9>we were standing there, maybe thirty minutes later, we were

1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:49.200
<v Speaker 9>standing out there and all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>Shots ranged for thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean we were there for thirty minutes after the fact,

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<v Speaker 9>and all of a sudden shots came. Shots ranged from

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<v Speaker 9>the roof and from the bush. So our guy was

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<v Speaker 9>hit twice, you know, Scott Loan Rock was hit twice,

1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:08.800
<v Speaker 9>shot in his head twice. Bullets literally went past us

1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:11.719
<v Speaker 9>because he was on the Like I told you before,

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<v Speaker 9>we were on the right hand side of the street.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the passenger side.

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<v Speaker 9>They were shooting from the left side, so bullets went

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<v Speaker 9>through past all of it him to him, no lies crazy.

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<v Speaker 9>So this guy gave his life, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 9>never want to just when I when I talk about him,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I want to talk about the importance of

1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:32.760
<v Speaker 9>like Scotland Rock and the importance to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They introduced me to music.

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<v Speaker 9>He gave his life for me, and to this day,

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<v Speaker 9>his son is like someone that I loved that I

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<v Speaker 9>try my best to make sure he's always straight because that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What his dad did for me. How old is Scotlan

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<v Speaker 1>Rock R. Scottlan Rock Junior is probably like thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>now thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>One because I always wanted to I mean that whole

1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Scotlar Rock Jr. My pride enjoyed, always wanted to know

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<v Speaker 4>what happened to him. Okay, he's awesome, man.

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<v Speaker 1>What does he do now?

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<v Speaker 9>Like he's producing music, He's been putting out like putting

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<v Speaker 9>out his compilations, you know, you know, just just recently,

1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:11.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, we we got together, got him a new NPC.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I want to do things with him that

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<v Speaker 9>his dad did for me. You know, like if you

1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.760
<v Speaker 9>want to be involved in music, let's do it. Like here,

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<v Speaker 9>use this gear, I have this, come and get it.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's make music. It's yours because that's what his dad,

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<v Speaker 9>his dad gave me. It's almost like you have this

1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:37.760
<v Speaker 9>this guardian angel that came into your life, put all

1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:41.160
<v Speaker 9>these things in front of you and said hey, do

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<v Speaker 9>what you can with it. Like I would not have

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<v Speaker 9>known red alert, I wouldn't have known care rest.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. He didn't even liked me.

1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:50.920
<v Speaker 9>He didn't even he didn't even understand why Scott put

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<v Speaker 9>me in the group. Matter of fact, it back to

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<v Speaker 9>the original.

1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:58.880
<v Speaker 1>No, Chris and I weren't we bickering brothers are like

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<v Speaker 1>real like I don't like that kid.

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<v Speaker 9>For Chris when I think about it now as an adult,

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<v Speaker 9>Chris was probably angry with me because Scott lost his life.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, like, I know the guilt you

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<v Speaker 4>had to to internalize. Still I don't how did you

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with each other or talk with each other

1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:25.160
<v Speaker 4>or after that fact or was it just a white

1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.679
<v Speaker 4>elephant you guys never spoke of And then like years

1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:28.080
<v Speaker 4>later it.

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<v Speaker 9>Was like, I don't, I don't want to call it

1:15:30.439 --> 1:15:33.840
<v Speaker 9>a white elephant. Chris definitely treated me a certain kind

1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.559
<v Speaker 9>of way. So I was in the group, one third

1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:39.760
<v Speaker 9>member of BDP. We did a show.

1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I made a third of the show.

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<v Speaker 9>I left the group because Scott wanted to pretty much

1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:49.000
<v Speaker 9>be my dad and I didn't grow up with a father.

1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:51.840
<v Speaker 9>I didn't grow with my parents, So anyone trying to

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<v Speaker 9>have like that parental role to me was an enemy,

1:15:55.479 --> 1:15:57.080
<v Speaker 9>like I didn't want that. I didn't want you telling

1:15:57.120 --> 1:15:59.920
<v Speaker 9>me what to do and thinking looking back at it

1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:02.840
<v Speaker 9>as an adult now and as a father, man, this

1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:05.280
<v Speaker 9>dude changed my life. All he wanted to do was

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<v Speaker 9>make sure that I went to school. That's the only

1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:09.760
<v Speaker 9>reason why I'm not on a Criminal Minded album cover

1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:13.320
<v Speaker 9>was I didn't want to go to school and Scott

1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.439
<v Speaker 9>said to me, if you don't go to school, then

1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:17.479
<v Speaker 9>you can't be in the group. And I said, fuck

1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:19.560
<v Speaker 9>this group. I'm going to go sell drugs in the

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<v Speaker 9>street and I'm going to be good. So that's the

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<v Speaker 9>reason why I wasn't on the BDP first album album cover,

1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:27.000
<v Speaker 9>like the Criminal Minded album cover.

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<v Speaker 8>It's crazy because I was going to ask what is

1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.439
<v Speaker 8>a fifteen year old doing touring the world or touring

1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.519
<v Speaker 8>the country with grown ass men, Like where were your parents?

1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Now? There were no parents.

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<v Speaker 9>I lived, slept on the floor and slept in the

1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:41.799
<v Speaker 9>living room on one sofa and my my great grandmother

1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.720
<v Speaker 9>was on the other sofa and my cousin. It was

1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:47.960
<v Speaker 9>my cousin's apartment. So from the time I was like

1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:52.519
<v Speaker 9>thirteen until my till sixteen, sixteen and a half when

1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:55.400
<v Speaker 9>I got my first apartment, well, seventeen when I got

1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:56.120
<v Speaker 9>my first apartment.

1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I you know, that was what my life was.

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<v Speaker 8>So how do you attribute being because just by optics sake,

1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:03.920
<v Speaker 8>you look like to be a very involved father. You

1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.240
<v Speaker 8>have two girls, right, how do you how do you

1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:09.639
<v Speaker 8>think you became such a great father. You didn't really

1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:11.479
<v Speaker 8>have to be the.

1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Best parent that I didn't have.

1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:18.080
<v Speaker 9>You know, like I wanted my kids and still want

1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:20.840
<v Speaker 9>my kids to be better than I am, and I

1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:23.680
<v Speaker 9>want them to be great, and my kids inspire me,

1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:26.799
<v Speaker 9>you know, And it was I know, it's directly related

1:17:26.840 --> 1:17:28.400
<v Speaker 9>to the way I grew up.

1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I grew up. My dad growing up was

1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Bill Cosby in my mind.

1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:39.280
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, the Huxtables, Like seeing that was like I wanted

1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:41.040
<v Speaker 9>that for my kids. I wanted my kids to have

1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.920
<v Speaker 9>that experience. And I used to wear those ugly ass

1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:48.120
<v Speaker 9>sweaters all the time. You look at self Destruction video,

1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:54.760
<v Speaker 9>So even though you have Cosby sweaters, I had them.

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<v Speaker 1>Joints, Bro, did you produce that self Destruction? Yes?

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<v Speaker 9>I was eighteen when I produced Self Destruct?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, how many twelve hundreds did you use? Because the

1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:07.559
<v Speaker 4>beat switches every verse. So did you just use punch

1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:08.639
<v Speaker 4>the sample in oh?

1:18:08.720 --> 1:18:10.519
<v Speaker 9>No, I used a Poobla song, remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:16.640
<v Speaker 9>So the Poobla song was a rack mount sampler that

1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:19.040
<v Speaker 9>would just loop whatever you had, It would loop it.

1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:21.519
<v Speaker 1>That was your weapon of choice. That was choice.

1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:25.519
<v Speaker 9>So yeah, so I used that in a SB twelve hundred. Okay,

1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.040
<v Speaker 9>so I'm sorry SB twelve not even twelve hundred. I

1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:29.760
<v Speaker 9>used the twelve you were still using in the twelve

1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:31.560
<v Speaker 9>and eighty. I was using the twelve and then the

1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:34.040
<v Speaker 9>first time, the very first beat that I made with

1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:37.479
<v Speaker 9>the twelve hundred. I remember this because I keenan ivory

1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.280
<v Speaker 9>Wayams came to us and said told Chris that he

1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:43.760
<v Speaker 9>wanted to use BDP on I'm going to get you

1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:47.040
<v Speaker 9>suck a project. And we were in we were in

1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:49.960
<v Speaker 9>Where's Where's Ali From?

1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm drunk, Shi Ali? Where's Ali from? Ali? Mohammad Muhammad? Kentucky.

1:18:57.120 --> 1:18:59.879
<v Speaker 1>We were in Kentucky, Louisville. Right, We're in Louisville.

1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:01.720
<v Speaker 9>And I jumped on the plane to go back to

1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:04.040
<v Speaker 9>New York to go back to sam Ash, bought the

1:19:04.240 --> 1:19:07.360
<v Speaker 9>s P twelve hundred, flew back on the.

1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Road, and we were on tour with like I personally

1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to get the well, yeah, we.

1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:14.559
<v Speaker 9>Didn't have I didn't know anything about FedEx and all

1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:18.040
<v Speaker 9>that I went to get this. I stayed at this hotel.

1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:21.599
<v Speaker 9>Never forget this. God damn, I can't tell you everything

1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:26.360
<v Speaker 9>because because I remember staying at this particular hotel with

1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:27.479
<v Speaker 9>someone's future wife.

1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:36.559
<v Speaker 1>But three, so we won't go there. We won't go there. Anyway.

1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:39.479
<v Speaker 9>I remember back this twelve hundred and then going back

1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:41.360
<v Speaker 9>on the road, and the first beat that I did

1:19:41.479 --> 1:19:44.160
<v Speaker 9>on that SB twelve hundred was from a sample that

1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:46.479
<v Speaker 9>I bought while I was in London, and it was

1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:49.320
<v Speaker 9>the Greedy G sample, and we used to we use

1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:53.439
<v Speaker 9>that sample and I put the sample the drums, you

1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:58.600
<v Speaker 9>know the drums last night chan Phillip, Yes, yep, with

1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:01.040
<v Speaker 9>with the Greedy G. And that was our show intro

1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:03.640
<v Speaker 9>from that moment on. And then that ended up being

1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:07.719
<v Speaker 9>a song that we did for The Jack of Spades.

1:20:08.200 --> 1:20:09.400
<v Speaker 9>So I'm gonna get you sucking.

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<v Speaker 4>By the time you got to the bio means necessary,

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<v Speaker 4>what was the digging process, like, like you produced my philosophy.

1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:21.920
<v Speaker 9>My philosophy, So I want to be clear about this.

1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:24.440
<v Speaker 9>I don't even want to say that I produced my philosophy.

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:25.960
<v Speaker 9>That beat is definitely my beat.

1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Who found the samples?

1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:30.000
<v Speaker 9>That's all me? There you go, Yeah, that was all me.

1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.920
<v Speaker 9>I used to go to a spot called Downtown Records

1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:35.640
<v Speaker 9>in New York City, and I would go to the

1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:38.200
<v Speaker 9>House of Oldies, and that's where I bought. Pretty much

1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:41.000
<v Speaker 9>every record that I ever used to sample was between

1:20:41.040 --> 1:20:45.920
<v Speaker 9>those two places. And I remember being in downstairs and

1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:51.000
<v Speaker 9>it was always Big Doddy Kane. Biz was there. Biz

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:53.160
<v Speaker 9>was there all the time. So if you found like

1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.840
<v Speaker 9>a sample, if you had a little bit of money,

1:20:57.439 --> 1:20:59.640
<v Speaker 9>you would buy every one of those records there. So

1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:04.400
<v Speaker 9>that because Biz would buy the records. So that's the

1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.080
<v Speaker 9>only reason why call me d nice isn't call me

1:21:07.160 --> 1:21:13.120
<v Speaker 9>Biz Marquee seriously, because I was smart enough when I

1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:16.240
<v Speaker 9>found that sample. It was a compilation with the Turtles

1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:19.360
<v Speaker 9>with Flowing Eddie on that compilation, and like Daylight had

1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:21.680
<v Speaker 9>a beat off of that joint. When I found that,

1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.080
<v Speaker 9>we also did so Steady b Yeah.

1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Records.

1:21:26.920 --> 1:21:30.479
<v Speaker 9>So that's that's I found that I looped at Chris

1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:33.360
<v Speaker 9>there was produced by Karras right. But I'm telling you

1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:35.000
<v Speaker 9>right now that I found.

1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:38.120
<v Speaker 1>That all them four joints off the album. Yes.

1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.000
<v Speaker 9>So with that album no, it was the Battle of

1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:42.240
<v Speaker 9>the Band's album I know.

1:21:43.080 --> 1:21:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So with that album I found those I had.

1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:48.439
<v Speaker 9>I sampled all of that stuff and call Me d Nice,

1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:51.400
<v Speaker 9>which was crazy to me, call me the lyrics for

1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:53.439
<v Speaker 9>call Me D Nice let's I'm gonna put it out

1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:56.320
<v Speaker 9>there right now. Half of the first verse was written

1:21:56.400 --> 1:22:00.080
<v Speaker 9>by Krras. It was the song Chris had written for

1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:02.760
<v Speaker 9>me when I was like sixteen, and then I wrote

1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.280
<v Speaker 9>the rest of it. But I did it on like

1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:10.200
<v Speaker 9>an old Bee Boy Records album Old b Boy compilation. Yeah,

1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:13.639
<v Speaker 9>and it was like super fast. I wanted everything fast,

1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:16.960
<v Speaker 9>everything wanted Every record I sampled had to be like

1:22:17.000 --> 1:22:18.559
<v Speaker 9>one hundred and twenty beats per minute.

1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I needed trying to get that house that house.

1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:26.240
<v Speaker 9>Even after I recorded the vocals, I had them speed

1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:27.439
<v Speaker 9>up the tape, like make it faster.

1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:30.120
<v Speaker 1>It needs to be faster. It was just bad anyway.

1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:34.960
<v Speaker 9>So those records I was sampled of records and sent

1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:36.479
<v Speaker 9>it to Chris, or not even send it, bring it

1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:39.240
<v Speaker 9>to Chris on the tape. And at the time I

1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:43.679
<v Speaker 9>brought him, I brought him the beat for I'm Still

1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:48.639
<v Speaker 9>Number One for my philosophy and the beat for call

1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:51.599
<v Speaker 9>Me D Nice. And he heard the beat for call

1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:53.720
<v Speaker 9>Me D Nice and he said, nah, I don't like that.

1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:58.080
<v Speaker 9>What and then he took I'm still number one. I

1:22:58.200 --> 1:23:01.840
<v Speaker 9>had it faster because you know the sampo, he slowed

1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:03.880
<v Speaker 9>it down. I will give him that he slowed it down.

1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:06.479
<v Speaker 9>He was like, no, this is it, which ended up

1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:08.960
<v Speaker 9>being I mean, this is an incredible record, you know,

1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.479
<v Speaker 9>call Me D Nice. The only reason why I did

1:23:13.600 --> 1:23:17.400
<v Speaker 9>that record was because after I did the beat and

1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:19.400
<v Speaker 9>I played it for Chris, he didn't want it. The

1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.040
<v Speaker 9>second person that I played the record for was Kid Rock.

1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I'm going to say you discovered him.

1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.040
<v Speaker 9>Yes, I mean he was already doing this thing, but

1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:29.960
<v Speaker 9>he was like an opening act of one of our

1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:30.600
<v Speaker 9>shows and.

1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Been in BDP, could have been in BDP with US America.

1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Great again, it's crazy. I have Kid Rock stories too.

1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:47.920
<v Speaker 9>But anyway, so I played it for him and I

1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:51.519
<v Speaker 9>did call Me D Nice the lyrics to the beat

1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:53.840
<v Speaker 9>because I wanted him to know how he could rhyme

1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:56.360
<v Speaker 9>on it. So and and that's the only reason why

1:23:56.360 --> 1:23:58.080
<v Speaker 9>I have like two versions of the song was because

1:23:58.080 --> 1:23:59.800
<v Speaker 9>I did it for him. I was like, no, you

1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:02.479
<v Speaker 9>can do it like this, and then when I listened

1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:04.479
<v Speaker 9>back to it was like, wait, this is actually pretty

1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:08.320
<v Speaker 9>fucking dope and yeah, man, and ended up putting that

1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:09.320
<v Speaker 9>out as my first single.

1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.599
<v Speaker 4>Wow, so that was your first album? So how did

1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:18.160
<v Speaker 4>when did you officially leave BDP? The time from you

1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:20.599
<v Speaker 4>when you left to putting out your first solo record.

1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:23.479
<v Speaker 9>So I don't think that I ever actually left BDP.

1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:26.559
<v Speaker 9>I think car Rest just had my music turned down

1:24:26.600 --> 1:24:30.600
<v Speaker 9>extremely low at one show and I was like, I

1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:31.960
<v Speaker 9>guess I'm not in the group anymore.

1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:33.439
<v Speaker 1>We were.

1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.800
<v Speaker 9>We did a show at the Palladium in LA and

1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:40.439
<v Speaker 9>that was the moment that I realized, like some things

1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:42.880
<v Speaker 9>were going on. But the moment that I realized I

1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:45.920
<v Speaker 9>wasn't in the group was his Sex and Violence album,

1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:50.519
<v Speaker 9>And it's because credit credits these people are not down

1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:52.519
<v Speaker 9>with us, and that's that was the moment that I

1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:55.040
<v Speaker 9>realized that I'm no longer with the group. And honestly,

1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:57.800
<v Speaker 9>I didn't do anything that would warrant that kind of

1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:00.360
<v Speaker 9>like treatment, Like it wasn't like we were beef and

1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:02.760
<v Speaker 9>yeah it was because I was never a yes man.

1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:05.200
<v Speaker 9>So half of the songs on like not that I

1:25:05.479 --> 1:25:07.280
<v Speaker 9>you know, I don't personally think that I made a

1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:09.880
<v Speaker 9>classic album as D Nice because I was a little

1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:13.160
<v Speaker 9>confused with who I was at the time. I was,

1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:15.920
<v Speaker 9>you know, eighteen nineteen years old. All I wanted was women.

1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:18.760
<v Speaker 9>I wanted some ass like so my records reflected that

1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:20.760
<v Speaker 9>my name is D Nice. I wanted them to know

1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:23.960
<v Speaker 9>who I was. Chris was so prolific with his music

1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:25.200
<v Speaker 9>and with his lyrics.

1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>And fucking motherfucker's up and.

1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:32.720
<v Speaker 9>Fucking motherfucker's up, you know, And basically Chris got a reputation. Yeah,

1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:35.800
<v Speaker 9>Chris has a reputation even in music of being a

1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.600
<v Speaker 9>little disrespectful, but a lot of you know, oh p

1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:42.840
<v Speaker 9>out but yeah, so but with Chris, with that moment,

1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:44.400
<v Speaker 9>I you know, like I said, man, I didn't realize

1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:46.200
<v Speaker 9>that I wasn't in the group until those records and

1:25:46.800 --> 1:25:51.000
<v Speaker 9>till the Sex and Vonus album because I I'd done

1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:54.599
<v Speaker 9>all of these records for BDP, Which is so crazy

1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:57.040
<v Speaker 9>because in that moment, the only reason why I put

1:25:57.080 --> 1:25:59.640
<v Speaker 9>out my own record because I was on Jibe. My

1:25:59.720 --> 1:26:02.160
<v Speaker 9>deal was for twenty five thousand dollars to make an album,

1:26:02.840 --> 1:26:05.120
<v Speaker 9>and at the same time, Tribe signed for like a

1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:07.280
<v Speaker 9>half a quarter of a million at the time, I believe,

1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:12.160
<v Speaker 9>so they really never believed in me. And it's crazy

1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:14.280
<v Speaker 9>because Barry Whites is still like one of my friends

1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:17.200
<v Speaker 9>now and I see him and I get it. I

1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.200
<v Speaker 9>get what it is you want it cares, so I

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<v Speaker 9>respect that. But we were never like I never had

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<v Speaker 9>one of those deals or people to actually believe in me.

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<v Speaker 9>So even with call Me d Nice, I put call

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<v Speaker 9>Me d Nice out myself. I went to the record,

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<v Speaker 9>I went to Red Alert and had an acetate and

1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:35.040
<v Speaker 9>asked him to play it and read played it for

1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:38.560
<v Speaker 9>Vinnie Brown, who's the program director, And that's how that

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<v Speaker 9>record came out four or five months later. It was

1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:43.360
<v Speaker 9>because I was just aggressive, like I just believed in it,

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<v Speaker 9>you know. And you know, so I never really had

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<v Speaker 9>those situations where people like really believed, you know, had

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<v Speaker 9>to like force every situation.

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<v Speaker 4>When your next record, when you did to the Rescue,

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<v Speaker 4>how was was it a little better there? And why

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<v Speaker 4>said that video with twenty five Life was so right drastic?

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<v Speaker 4>That was a drastic ass video.

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<v Speaker 9>So twenty five the Life, I mean, even though I

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<v Speaker 9>loved the song, shouldn't have been my first single off

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<v Speaker 9>of the second album, coming off of what I was

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<v Speaker 9>doing in terms of like calling when I and Crumbling Table,

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<v Speaker 9>it was different. The problem was was record companies, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>like in People. That was like the first song that

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<v Speaker 9>I did in the studio, and that song wasn't even

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<v Speaker 9>supposed to be a single. It was a song that

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<v Speaker 9>I did because one of my closest friends at the

1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:33.880
<v Speaker 9>time was in He was doing twenty five to Life

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<v Speaker 9>and he was the dude that when I was sixteen,

1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:39.720
<v Speaker 9>he was a hustler dude took me to DC. I

1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:42.880
<v Speaker 9>was hustling with him in DC and Paradise projects, like

1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:45.600
<v Speaker 9>I've seen all of this craziness by the time I

1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.040
<v Speaker 9>was like sixteen and seventeen years old. And the song

1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:50.960
<v Speaker 9>was really written about him as my way of saying

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<v Speaker 9>like not even saying thank you, because it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 9>thank you record. It was just like a story of

1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:59.280
<v Speaker 9>like what he went through and you know, and when

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<v Speaker 9>I did the record, Jive immediately wanted to put it out,

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<v Speaker 9>so it wasn't shot that video. Darnelle Martin. She ended

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<v Speaker 9>up being like she directed a couple of movies with

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<v Speaker 9>like the Mary J. Blige movie on BT.

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<v Speaker 1>She did all that. She was like an n y

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<v Speaker 1>U student. Oh, I thought you meant there was a

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blige movie of the Week like her wife.

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<v Speaker 8>No.

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<v Speaker 9>No, the movie was like Mary and Q Tip Prison.

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<v Speaker 9>She directed that, so she directed all of my videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, I always thought that was an odd

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<v Speaker 4>choice for a sing I mean, I thought it was dope,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was, yeah, because I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, well, it was one verse. It was just one

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<v Speaker 1>verse in the hook, it was one long verse.

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<v Speaker 4>That video was one of the videos where like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>where my dad just happened to be in the room

1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:50.639
<v Speaker 4>and then the gunshod thing happened and he just looked

1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:56.400
<v Speaker 4>at me like he was always coming to choice moments

1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:59.840
<v Speaker 4>where like I'm like, dad, hip hop's an R for him,

1:28:59.880 --> 1:29:01.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, and you just look alike.

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<v Speaker 9>And then the twenty five of the Life video. It's

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<v Speaker 9>so crazy because that was like my first number one

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<v Speaker 9>MTV video. I think that was actually my only number

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<v Speaker 9>one MTV the only one. I was like, it's not

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<v Speaker 9>even it wasn't even supposed to be a single.

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<v Speaker 8>Nor.

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<v Speaker 9>The first person that Too Short did a song with

1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.720
<v Speaker 9>on the East Coast was me on that record. That

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<v Speaker 9>second album was a song called check Yourself. Short and

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<v Speaker 9>Now we're on tour, and we were both signed a

1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:26.360
<v Speaker 9>JIB and Jive had this brilliant idea of like, no,

1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:28.760
<v Speaker 9>you guys should make records together. But when you think

1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:30.880
<v Speaker 9>about it, no, we shouldn't have made records together. That

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<v Speaker 9>that's not who my audience was. My audience was people.

1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:37.120
<v Speaker 9>Not no disrespect to shorts audience, because Short is an

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<v Speaker 9>amazing man. But at the time, coming from BDP, people

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<v Speaker 9>probably expected a little bit more than what I actually

1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:45.240
<v Speaker 9>gave them. But I was I was a fucking kid.

1:29:45.760 --> 1:29:48.400
<v Speaker 9>I made records that kids would listen to. I was

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<v Speaker 9>talking about chicks. I wanted to be hot in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:29:52.520 --> 1:29:54.599
<v Speaker 9>I was a dude that was selling drugs in DC

1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:56.760
<v Speaker 9>and came back to New York and I wanted to

1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:59.000
<v Speaker 9>be respected by these dudes. So I made those records

1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:02.280
<v Speaker 9>where karas at the time, excuse me a little hiccup

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<v Speaker 9>because I'm drinking this rock quest love juice, Jesus juice

1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:06.720
<v Speaker 9>I'm having over here.

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<v Speaker 4>But before I forget real quick because we gotta wind

1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:15.880
<v Speaker 4>it up, you're definitely coming on because we didn't need

1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:18.680
<v Speaker 4>to get to talk about the White House. No, the

1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:21.360
<v Speaker 4>second part of your life. No, No, I'm purposely leaving

1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:24.479
<v Speaker 4>the other half of your life out just so you

1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.760
<v Speaker 4>have because you're coming back, going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the signs of Burnhard, of Quest, Love Supreme, just frequently.

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<v Speaker 8>Tape on record.

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<v Speaker 9>You're coming back, right, are you kidding? I'm trying to

1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.719
<v Speaker 9>sit in on every interview round stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Yo, how did you convince Soul Train to let you

1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:47.360
<v Speaker 4>perform call Me d Nice live? Because I never knew

1:30:47.680 --> 1:30:51.920
<v Speaker 4>that was the your performance of that. When we finally

1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:54.719
<v Speaker 4>went on Soul Train, I was like, Yo, we're gonna

1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:56.720
<v Speaker 4>do the same thing De Nice did. We'll make up

1:30:56.760 --> 1:31:00.160
<v Speaker 4>a trap as if it were live, and then well

1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:02.519
<v Speaker 4>lip sing it, but it'll look live when it's on,

1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:05.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, on television. But we got that from watching you.

1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:09.240
<v Speaker 4>So why didn't you just do the typical lip singing

1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:10.519
<v Speaker 4>to your version?

1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:13.719
<v Speaker 9>Like so no one had done that at that point.

1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:17.600
<v Speaker 9>And when when I had the invitation to perform a

1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:20.240
<v Speaker 9>Soul Train, I thought all these years I thought it

1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.320
<v Speaker 9>was live, you know, I thought everyone was doing it live,

1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:25.679
<v Speaker 9>and some of them were, some of them.

1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:28.439
<v Speaker 4>Were, but really I didn't even know that special you know,

1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:32.360
<v Speaker 4>Barry White, Yeah, special people got the treatment, but it

1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:35.320
<v Speaker 4>was costly for Don at the time to do it back,

1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:36.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, gear.

1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:38.479
<v Speaker 1>And all that stuff. So for the most part, it

1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>was lipstick.

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<v Speaker 9>Well when I when I performed well the night before

1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.400
<v Speaker 9>or the day before, I couldn't believe that you couldn't

1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:48.360
<v Speaker 9>do that, you couldn't perform live. I was like, this

1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:50.400
<v Speaker 9>is insane. What are you talking about? I want to

1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:53.679
<v Speaker 9>perform this record. So I booked the studio session.

1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I went in.

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<v Speaker 9>It was me my buddy Tony Rassan, who lived at

1:31:57.280 --> 1:32:00.240
<v Speaker 9>the shelter at the time and at Franklin, but he

1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:03.360
<v Speaker 9>ended up becoming like my partner in in my management company.

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<v Speaker 9>We went in the studio and I just did it

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<v Speaker 9>live like I wanted to do. I want to feel

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<v Speaker 9>the way I performed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. We did it. We did the whole

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<v Speaker 1>go do you dice go? Do you ice? Wait? That

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<v Speaker 1>was you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Oh damn man, I was because I was gonna say, yo,

1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:22.920
<v Speaker 4>you you that was the most hype I've ever seen

1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:24.120
<v Speaker 4>the audience, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, dude wait.

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<v Speaker 9>So we did all of that the studio with the

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<v Speaker 9>next day, gave him the track. I was performing it

1:32:32.240 --> 1:32:34.360
<v Speaker 9>and I was performing it like it was live. Yes,

1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:39.040
<v Speaker 9>and duncan nels. He was like wait, wait, wait, stop, stop,

1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:42.800
<v Speaker 9>stop stop his mic is live. What's going on? He

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<v Speaker 9>literally stopped us and I fell out laughing, like no, dude,

1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:49.639
<v Speaker 9>like we did this last night, and he said, young Blood,

1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:50.280
<v Speaker 9>that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, man, that was great. Though, that's great. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the trench right time to No you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>yet they KG produced it.

1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:05.720
<v Speaker 9>KG produced Time to Flow, and then I wrote my

1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:07.800
<v Speaker 9>own verse, which was actually a mistake. Though, man, I

1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:11.160
<v Speaker 9>you know what, man, Trench was on fire at the time.

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<v Speaker 9>I love that you asked me this. By the way,

1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.439
<v Speaker 9>Trench was on extremely on fire, and we'd been friends

1:33:17.520 --> 1:33:20.600
<v Speaker 9>even before opp any of those records came out and

1:33:20.760 --> 1:33:23.880
<v Speaker 9>I watched I was fascinated by Tretch like I thought

1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:28.679
<v Speaker 9>Trench was. I watched Trench battle Jay z to where

1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.880
<v Speaker 9>Jay got frustrated and threw the mic down and walked

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<v Speaker 9>up the stage. I'm not even lying to you. I've

1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:36.080
<v Speaker 9>seen all of this and Trench was like an MC

1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:38.040
<v Speaker 9>god to me. So when we had a chance to

1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:40.960
<v Speaker 9>do that was like my first feature ever outside of KRST.

1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:42.880
<v Speaker 9>That was the first time I ever performed with another artist,

1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:46.320
<v Speaker 9>but we happened to be real friends with me shot

1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:49.519
<v Speaker 9>Kim while Tifa like they were my family, you know.

1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:52.080
<v Speaker 9>I was a part of Flavor Unit and work with

1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:54.720
<v Speaker 9>shot like and work with Dana and Nick. So doing

1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:57.000
<v Speaker 9>a record with Trench was great. The problem that I

1:33:57.160 --> 1:34:01.519
<v Speaker 9>had was is that I would so fascinated and amory

1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:04.519
<v Speaker 9>by like my relationship with Trench that I almost wanted

1:34:04.560 --> 1:34:07.599
<v Speaker 9>to be that dude. And I didn't rhyme. I didn't

1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.040
<v Speaker 9>rhyme like myself. I wasn't mean That's what made me

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<v Speaker 9>ask it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I found it. I was.

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<v Speaker 9>I wanted to rhyme like Tretch. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 9>like that was top level to me, and I wanted

1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:19.519
<v Speaker 9>to be on his level instead of just being who

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<v Speaker 9>I am. So there are some some mistakes that I had, man,

1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:25.000
<v Speaker 9>that I actually I don't even wish I could change it,

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<v Speaker 9>because I wouldn't be where I'm right now had anything

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<v Speaker 9>been different.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, for the record, I always liked you. I always

1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:32.639
<v Speaker 4>thought you were underrated as an MC and you you're

1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:35.200
<v Speaker 4>always liked. Your delivery was always really clean, like your

1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Birse on self destruction times. Yeah, like it was still Yeah, man,

1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:40.000
<v Speaker 4>I always always thought you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were my mom.

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<v Speaker 9>Liked the sweater and the self destruction. So aj Lester

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<v Speaker 9>one hundred and twenty fifth Street back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 4>We think you for coming from the show. We're definitely

1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:53.960
<v Speaker 4>going to have you back. Yeah, we gotta talk about

1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:54.840
<v Speaker 4>the rebirth.

1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Everything and stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but thank you man. I appreciate it all right, man,

1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:05.519
<v Speaker 4>give it up for a great nice Uh just want

1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:08.639
<v Speaker 4>to let you guys know. You know, we rarely push

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<v Speaker 4>our our social media, but you can follow Quest Love

1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:16.559
<v Speaker 4>Supreme at QLs. That's our Instagram and our Twitter at

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<v Speaker 4>ql plus and when you go on Facebook, Quest Love

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme and you can email us. There's something new for

1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:25.640
<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen. Yes, yes, you can email us with with

1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:28.519
<v Speaker 4>questions and comments and criticisms all right.

1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:29.760
<v Speaker 8>And roll call help.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't wait for that anyway, we're gonna find We're also

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<v Speaker 4>gonna find love for Laya by February.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, hit us at mailbox it may I l b

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<v Speaker 4>Mail out there mailbox at Questlove Supreme dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>The way you guys got that all right, So you

1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:55.320
<v Speaker 1>can send all your hate to many mail box. So

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<v Speaker 1>that said on the Quest Love Supremes.

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<v Speaker 4>Froon Tickeelo Unpaid and Boss Bill Sugar Steve, It's Layah

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<v Speaker 4>and our guests d Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, our return guest d Nice. We'll be back. Uh,

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