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Speaker 4: Oh god right mind, Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
Speaker 4: another episode. Of course, love Supreme, IM course love this
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Speaker 1: Hello, guys. Yeah, our guest.
Speaker 4: Today, uh was sixteen when he entered the game back
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty something, and I believe that he's seven
Speaker 4: teen some thirty.
Speaker 1: Years later thanks to that early morning drinking coffee brought
Speaker 1: you back QS coffee. Yeah, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 4: Out of anything that he's done in history, I'm more
Speaker 4: curious about how you've yet to age in hip hop.
Speaker 1: But he's a hip hop legend.
Speaker 4: He's part of He was part of the legendary Boogie
Speaker 4: Down Productions crew from the South ROX that really literally
Speaker 4: changed the face of hip hop and advanced it to
Speaker 4: an intelligence level where nerds like us could participate and
Speaker 4: engage in the culture. And he's had the craziest journey
Speaker 4: since I mean as a photographer, as a DJ, as
Speaker 4: a producer, and as a coffee maker. Apparently, ladies and
Speaker 4: gentlemen welcome to quest of me.
Speaker 1: D Nice. Yes, yes, thank you for having me taking
Speaker 1: out your suckers. And you don't know how did so?
Speaker 1: How did you take out those suckers? I still don't
Speaker 1: know how I did it? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Side note, d Nice has half of us in this
Speaker 4: room engaging in course slups Supreme coffee, which is it's
Speaker 4: very nice.
Speaker 1: It's coffee and passion coffee. And yes, black lives matter, fashion,
Speaker 1: black lives love. That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Diddy and listen to thank you, Thank
Speaker 4: you Diddy. In this room, I forgot my father. Shout
Speaker 4: out to my twin brother Love Brother, Love Love and
Speaker 4: Alyssa for this.
Speaker 1: How's it going? So you you said you had a
Speaker 1: rough night last night. I had a rough night, man,
Speaker 1: What did you do? Man?
Speaker 9: So it's crazy kind of being in this world where
Speaker 9: you I met with an invent last night that offered
Speaker 9: me like a few million to open this business. So
Speaker 9: I went out to celebrate after that, and I celebrated
Speaker 9: a little too hard at a restaurant called Charlie Bird.
Speaker 9: I mean I probably had like five bottles of wine.
Speaker 9: Nothing hard, but it was fantastic wine. The song just
Speaker 9: kept bringing first of all, sound mad nerdy like.
Speaker 1: Nerds right now.
Speaker 9: The song brought out, I mean, everything was just amazing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm recovering from that right now. Congratulations for you. Yah,
Speaker 1: so super excited.
Speaker 8: He said that sentence like it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: You know. No, but I'm saying, well, that's what I
Speaker 1: was going to go to. How many jobs do you
Speaker 1: have mine? Man?
Speaker 9: Here's the thing, man, Like, coming into the hip hop
Speaker 9: back in eighty six, I had no real role in BDP.
Speaker 9: You know, I wasn't I wasn't in real MC at
Speaker 9: the time. I wasn't really producing at the time. And
Speaker 9: the one thing that Scott Larrock told me early on was, dude,
Speaker 9: you have to know how to do everything in this
Speaker 9: room in case something would have happened to one of us.
Speaker 9: So that's how I ended up becoming a DJ. That's
Speaker 9: how I learned learn how to write rhymes. It was
Speaker 9: really because I had no real role, so I tried
Speaker 9: to fit in and I did a little bit of everything.
Speaker 9: And to this day, I just feel like I can
Speaker 9: do anything, you know. So in terms of like businesses,
Speaker 9: you know, I'm trying, not even trying. I'm about to
Speaker 9: open the club, you know, working on that now. You know,
Speaker 9: the DJing takes me all over the world. Obviously, Photography
Speaker 9: has been great to me. And you know, I've shot campaigns,
Speaker 9: done America's Next Top Model, Hennessy campaigns with this guy
Speaker 9: over here, you know, you know, and it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot. He's like wait, I was looking around,
Speaker 1: like who are you talking to? You know, But I
Speaker 1: just I love being creative. That's it. I love being created.
Speaker 1: So you know, I.
Speaker 4: I know you, but I never ever nerd it out
Speaker 4: because I knew I was going to get you on
Speaker 4: the show one day. And you know, I have so
Speaker 4: many questions about just your your journey and your entry
Speaker 4: in the hip hop and and and all those things.
Speaker 4: First of all, where where were you born?
Speaker 1: Can I assume that you.
Speaker 9: Were born in this I was so I was no, no, no,
Speaker 9: I was actually born in New York. I was born
Speaker 9: in Harlem Hospitals.
Speaker 1: In South New York.
Speaker 4: Yes, how come people that come on the show that
Speaker 4: represent a city and they're they're born from We're never
Speaker 4: they don't represent that.
Speaker 9: I wish I was born in the Bronx, but no,
Speaker 9: my heart is always there. But I was born in
Speaker 9: Manhattan in Harlem Hospital, but raised in the Bronx. And
Speaker 9: the funny thing is I wasn't even raised in the
Speaker 9: South Bronx.
Speaker 1: So we're part of the Bronx.
Speaker 4: Well I'm assuming when I say, you guys, what I'm
Speaker 4: saying b DP like, we're part of the Bronx.
Speaker 9: So care Ress was from Brooklyn, so he wasn't really
Speaker 9: from the Bronx.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marley didn't.
Speaker 9: Marley Caress was from Brooklyn, So South Bronx actually represented
Speaker 9: where he lived at the time. He lived in the
Speaker 9: Men's Shelter and DJ Scott Larrock was a social worker
Speaker 9: there Kres. You know, his name wasn't cars He was
Speaker 9: bed number five, seven, six, six, whatever, But no, he
Speaker 9: lived there, and my cousin was a security guard at
Speaker 9: the shelter MINS Shelter, Franklin's MINS Shelter in the Bronx.
Speaker 9: So when they talk about well, not even they when
Speaker 9: we talk about South Bronx, it really represented that particular
Speaker 9: area really where Scott lived. And I was a part
Speaker 9: of the group because you know back in the day
Speaker 9: when you say how many jobs, like I loved cooking
Speaker 9: growing up. And one day, this is really how it happened.
Speaker 9: Was I was cooking something for my cousin and brought
Speaker 9: it over to the shelter and then he introduced me
Speaker 9: to scottland Rock and Scott looked at me and said,
Speaker 9: you're going to be in my group, just like that
Speaker 9: dead ass serious. He was like, you're going to be
Speaker 9: in our group. You had no he had no clue
Speaker 9: of what The very first day that I met him,
Speaker 9: he wanted you to cook wait for the group. Probably no,
Speaker 9: but yeah, that's it's crazy when I think about it, man,
Speaker 9: it's it's insane.
Speaker 4: What was your musical experience prior to that, Like, were
Speaker 4: you at least observing what hip hop was becoming back
Speaker 4: in the eighties, Like were you at park Jams any
Speaker 4: of those things?
Speaker 1: Or was that like after your time?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, I was always into music, but oddly
Speaker 9: enough it wasn't hip hop. So I grew up, which
Speaker 9: you know, I'm not just saying it's because you're here.
Speaker 9: But I grew up listening to just soul music. So
Speaker 9: when I hear that in a party to this day,
Speaker 9: it's actually the reason why I DJ. I grew up
Speaker 9: listening to, you know, just a lot of James Brown
Speaker 9: stuff like Melbourne Moore, like everything in the seventies was
Speaker 9: like that was my era. And the first hip hop
Speaker 9: record I fell in love with wasn't even like a
Speaker 9: full on record. I remember walking by a laundromat and
Speaker 9: someone was playing like Pebbly Pool. So that was like
Speaker 9: the first time that I really fell in love with
Speaker 9: hip hop because she was it was like on an
Speaker 9: old mixtape and she was rhyme, and you know, I knew, like, man,
Speaker 9: I want to be involved with it.
Speaker 1: And but.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so that was my music really started with with
Speaker 9: with hip hop with Kress, like that was you know,
Speaker 9: outside of the Pebbly Pooh stuff. I never wanted to
Speaker 9: wrap until I met them, until I met Scott and.
Speaker 1: Karas, Wow, that's okay. Well, so then.
Speaker 4: How to become like you know you you're in the group,
Speaker 4: until you know you actually you guys doing things and
Speaker 4: like how do they develop as a as a band
Speaker 4: first of all Who's NBDP.
Speaker 9: So there was the group bugget On Productions, which was
Speaker 9: it consisted of kras One, Scottland, Rocky myself. Then in
Speaker 9: the crew you know how you have a crew of
Speaker 9: people just roll with you. There was always you know,
Speaker 9: Miss Melody, Mick Bull, a gentleman we called RoboCop manager
Speaker 9: Moe and I see.
Speaker 1: Number one, yea, I should have just.
Speaker 9: Should have did the intro to that record, but but
Speaker 9: yeah no, but that was like Willie d. That was
Speaker 9: the core of the crew. But in terms of making
Speaker 9: records and producing in the studio was Jess Cararas, Scott
Speaker 9: and I what was it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: So, uh, I guess could you could you tell me
Speaker 4: of of just the genesis of like the first album
Speaker 4: that you guys made together and yeah.
Speaker 9: No, So there are a few things to talk about
Speaker 9: with the Criminal Minded album. The only song that I
Speaker 9: actually worked on with the group was South Bronx and
Speaker 9: South Bronx was done by mainly by Scott Lorock and
Speaker 9: that was my first time being in the studio. We
Speaker 9: were at a sixteen track studio in Queen's.
Speaker 1: Can I add something? Uh?
Speaker 4: That was the most evil intro of all time? And
Speaker 4: I always tease you about this because I know that
Speaker 4: you were you know, obviously were like, all right, you
Speaker 4: give a shout up, but you're your your intro, Yo.
Speaker 1: What's up Scottland Rock?
Speaker 4: Like it was just like we always as a kid,
Speaker 4: me and my friends were always like, yo, t nice,
Speaker 4: it's a villain man like like we we had this
Speaker 4: image of you being like a Sniley whiplash from from
Speaker 4: my cartel.
Speaker 9: Meanwhile, I was the skinny kid you just gotta hear
Speaker 9: like Scott Rock like just gritted teeth.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he must be their bodyguard. Oh
Speaker 1: why it was Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 9: I think heros probably would have preferred me being the
Speaker 9: bodyguard than any you know. But no, when we made
Speaker 9: Criminal Minded, like like I said, I only worked on
Speaker 9: that one particular song with Scott you know. And you
Speaker 9: know that was my first time in the studio, first
Speaker 9: time sampling like anything. You know that was that was
Speaker 9: a fantastic moment for me and uh and doing the
Speaker 9: chorus of course. And the funny thing about South Bro,
Speaker 9: I didn't even have a rap name. I didn't have
Speaker 9: a rap name until the end of the song. Like
Speaker 9: literally I told him to call me d Ice and
Speaker 9: he accidentally dead serious. It was literally like are you
Speaker 9: gonna be Dice? I was gonna be Dice instead of Denise.
Speaker 1: So with with the South Bronx, I've heard.
Speaker 4: Stories of what was the involvement with Said G or
Speaker 4: Paul C at the time, Like, because I've heard Said
Speaker 4: G say, hey, I co produced Criminal Minded. I've heard
Speaker 4: Paul C's people saying that, well, I provided the drum
Speaker 4: patches that said G had that.
Speaker 1: I mean just at the time, were those guys.
Speaker 9: Around or it's the Paulcy thing.
Speaker 1: This is new to me.
Speaker 9: Okay, you know I met Paul you know, shortly before
Speaker 9: he passed. I didn't know him like that, and he
Speaker 9: was never in any of the sessions that I was
Speaker 9: a part of. Said, so here's the thing, man like,
Speaker 9: as you know, bro like a lot of And this
Speaker 9: is no disrespect to said because said was truly there
Speaker 9: and said, I.
Speaker 1: Know what revisionism is in hip hop, especially with the legends.
Speaker 9: So yeah, you know, like he definitely did drum program programming,
Speaker 9: but sometimes people mixed producing with programming a drum beat,
Speaker 9: you know, and said did a lot of programming. A
Speaker 9: lot of the stuff was used, you know, a lot
Speaker 9: of his gear was used to produce those records, but
Speaker 9: I wouldn't say he produced criminal minded. I wouldn't say that,
Speaker 9: and I don't think KRS would say that. Did he
Speaker 9: program a lot of it? Yes, but you know he
Speaker 9: you know, wasn't He didn't do the bridges over. I
Speaker 9: was there with South Bronx. I was there with you know,
Speaker 9: a lot of those records.
Speaker 4: I think for some reason, like I don't know where
Speaker 4: the like because in the real world make quote, making
Speaker 4: the beat is just arranging, yes, right, but not in
Speaker 4: him Like I've heard, you know you on the Off
Speaker 4: Wall Masters. You hear Rod Temperton giving people like instructions.
Speaker 4: All right, guys, you play this an account three one
Speaker 4: two three, So obviously Rod, you know, if it were
Speaker 4: in hip hop terms, then Rod Temperton would get credit
Speaker 4: for three songs because, like you hear him, he made
Speaker 4: giving instructions, right, And I don't know how. I guess
Speaker 4: we're producing. It's like you have to oversee the entire
Speaker 4: project and decide what's good and what's you know, bad.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't work that much. Your hip hop though
Speaker 4: I don't think it's hip hop, is just do you
Speaker 4: think producer you think beat maker, and you don't really
Speaker 4: give consideration to the person that may have actually brought
Speaker 4: the song to completion.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: And I mean, isn't in the quote unquote real world,
Speaker 7: the producer handles the budget, the booking, the studio and
Speaker 7: you know, hiring all the musicians like the overseer.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you'd like the executive producer, right.
Speaker 1: That depends on the genre. I think that's true.
Speaker 8: Fascinating. It's like class Okay, okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean because I mean, well, no, no, no, I mean
Speaker 4: I consider myself a producer, but you know, I only
Speaker 4: see it. I only take it to the fifty yard
Speaker 4: line because I hate doing vocals.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 4: But even with that, I don't even think you necessarily
Speaker 4: have to do vocals to be a producer. I think
Speaker 4: you're more so the producers. The person gets the final say.
Speaker 4: So if you get Steve or whoever to cut vocals
Speaker 4: and then at the end you come in and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's the one, then that's it you. But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, like I might not give Steve,
Speaker 4: like producers credit for sitting there for nine hours and
Speaker 4: figure out what's the wait, We're not starting to.
Speaker 8: Fight out loud thought I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Okay, hypothetically you've gotten credit on stuff. I mean.
Speaker 10: In hip hop, producing is known as bringing the beat,
Speaker 10: making the beat, and then you got a producer for
Speaker 10: maybe the whole album, to produce the album. But each
Speaker 10: song is produced by whoever made the beat. In rock
Speaker 10: music other music, the producer is the producer sure of
Speaker 10: the whole project, the album, all the songs, and he
Speaker 10: may not have played one, he may not have written anything.
Speaker 1: You know he's produced. That's that's the distinction. Okay, and
Speaker 1: there you have it, So continue DN No, I love it,
Speaker 1: this is great.
Speaker 9: No, but like I said, no disrespect is said man,
Speaker 9: but that that record was produced by Scott Lorock in
Speaker 9: my opinion.
Speaker 4: So okay, Well, since you were there for South Bronx,
Speaker 4: always wanted to know, uh, being as though you guys
Speaker 4: were okay, so that was done I believe October of
Speaker 4: eighty six, I remember the last half of eighty six
Speaker 4: South Bronx was done. You guys could have laid claim
Speaker 4: to the first people to use James Brown's funky drummer,
Speaker 4: but stay, you just used the snare like you you
Speaker 4: cut up the individual drums like no one thought at
Speaker 4: the time, like, Yo, this this is gonna be breakbeat goal.
Speaker 4: Why don't we just use the entire break or was
Speaker 4: it done on an SB twelve which only holds like
Speaker 4: four seconds?
Speaker 1: And done on an SB twelve? Damn? So that's why
Speaker 1: you get just just truncated.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's why there's a guy because we use
Speaker 9: funky drummer. That's why there's a guy playing James Brown.
Speaker 9: The same guy that engineered the record is actually playing
Speaker 9: guitar playing.
Speaker 1: James the end of it. Yeah, who engineered it? The
Speaker 1: same dude. We don't use his name. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: tell you his name. So he did everything. You don't
Speaker 1: remember his name vocals? What the fuck? I mean at
Speaker 1: least cut us a check.
Speaker 9: Bill number one. I was sixteen at the time.
Speaker 1: Were you were you round for the I'm not bill,
Speaker 1: I'm sugar.
Speaker 2: These are bills over here.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't get paid either, So that's why he's
Speaker 1: on paid.
Speaker 9: I think I'm going to my second class here he
Speaker 9: starts this up.
Speaker 4: I'm napping already, thanks Diddy, brother Love, brother Love. So
Speaker 4: were you around for the first round of bdpism the
Speaker 4: kind of we got to advance pre.
Speaker 1: Pre Yeah, it was.
Speaker 9: Twelve forty one. That was the twelve forty one. That
Speaker 9: was the name of the group, twelve forty.
Speaker 1: One that I didn't know. Yes, yes, that was the
Speaker 1: fresh Prince kind of sounding. Yes. Yes, it sounded like
Speaker 1: a PSA, like just say no the drug psy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it's like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, twelve forty one was the name of the group
Speaker 9: when Scott was a DJ and at dance Ateria, like
Speaker 9: very old school New York club. He was a DJ
Speaker 9: there and he used to go on at midnight and
Speaker 9: then he told me the story of why you know,
Speaker 9: I don't really remember, but the name of the group
Speaker 9: was twelve forty one and that wasn't one of the
Speaker 9: sessions I went to when I was just hanging out
Speaker 9: with Scott was to one of those records.
Speaker 4: Advanced, We Got to Advance, We Got to Advance. That
Speaker 4: was like a feel Huxtable type rap. It was horrible, man,
Speaker 4: which probably explains that's probably what my mind. That's what
Speaker 4: they played, mister magic. This tell us it was something else, though,
Speaker 4: say it again. This told us it was something else. Oh,
Speaker 4: the song that they played for him, biz tell us
Speaker 4: a lot of this did tell us a lot. He said, well, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: there's like eight other songs.
Speaker 9: So you know, I can tell you right now, none
Speaker 9: of the songs on Criminal Mind it was played for
Speaker 9: mister Magic exactly.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I think that probably success
Speaker 1: is the word.
Speaker 9: Success is the word was twelve forty one, and they
Speaker 9: probably played that song. But I know for sure I
Speaker 9: was in almost every one of those sessions, and I
Speaker 9: know those weren't the songs that was played for Magic
Speaker 9: at the time.
Speaker 4: So what was the difference though, because the eight songs
Speaker 4: that were kind of twelve forty one ish weren't that good?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: And then you know, was it the anger of revenge.
Speaker 4: That sparked them to like, yo, we gotta come with it,
Speaker 4: or because there's clearly a difference between for our listeners
Speaker 4: that that don't know the legend of Boogie Down productions,
Speaker 4: basically in their they're entry into the worlds at least
Speaker 4: for us, the South Bronx and the Bridge is over
Speaker 4: all these songs are sort of heated responses to mister Magic,
Speaker 4: who scoffed at them in a rude manner when they
Speaker 4: played their demo for him. And I guess that anger
Speaker 4: prompted kind of a joker esque way. Did they get
Speaker 4: a load of me kind of response? But I mean
Speaker 4: the music improved ten thousand percent, So what was what
Speaker 4: I always wanted to know, what was the difference or
Speaker 4: what happened in the creative process that turned the twelve
Speaker 4: forty one stuff which wasn't good to you know, the
Speaker 4: blueprint of what hip hop would follow for the next
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 9: With I know what it was in terms of production
Speaker 9: and at the time we would hear like there was
Speaker 9: this new wave of hip hop in eighty six eighty
Speaker 9: seven you.
Speaker 1: Had Eric being rock Cam like biz, but technically you
Speaker 1: guys were first.
Speaker 9: So but we heard those records though, so before they
Speaker 9: came out, we knew, Yeah, we knew what was coming
Speaker 9: with Marley. Everything that Marley was doing was extremely important
Speaker 9: to our evolution. That's that's why I like, even though
Speaker 9: we had this beef with the Jewe Crew, the Jews
Speaker 9: Crew helped brand BDP in terms of like the sound
Speaker 9: the samples Marley had, you know, the Bridge. Clearly, the
Speaker 9: Bridge came out before South Bronx, you know, and that
Speaker 9: sound that he was doing was so hip hop and
Speaker 9: so raw and like you know, and you know, we
Speaker 9: kind of loved it. I remember being in the studio
Speaker 9: with Scott, and like I said, we were in this
Speaker 9: sixteen track studio in the in the Queens, and even
Speaker 9: the way that he was like sampling these records was
Speaker 9: just different from me, you know, Like I didn't know
Speaker 9: anything about being in the studio, and I know for
Speaker 9: sure that he wanted a record that would compete against
Speaker 9: the Bridge, like he wanted that totally. There was no
Speaker 9: lyrics for South Bronx. It was strictly about the way
Speaker 9: that record felt. Scott wanted to be able to compete
Speaker 9: with that, and he was thinking from like a DJ perspective,
Speaker 9: you know, not to get all deep with it, because
Speaker 9: it's not really that deep. It's when we were in
Speaker 9: that studio. I remember that's what he was playing, and
Speaker 9: that's what he wanted to compete against.
Speaker 4: How long did it take to make? Were you guys
Speaker 4: seventeen hour mix? Or was it like three hours? And
Speaker 4: blame let's run into the river.
Speaker 9: I can say the entire album probably took. If it's
Speaker 9: ten songs, I'm not lying to you. It was done.
Speaker 9: I mean clearly you can hear it because it's old school,
Speaker 9: but it was done. In ten sessions, like ten sessions
Speaker 9: to make Criminal Mind. It was made for under ten
Speaker 9: thousand dollars, for sure, under ten grand South Bronx. We
Speaker 9: went in there, we did that song and at the sky.
Speaker 9: We probably paid like seven hundred and fifty dollars to
Speaker 9: make South Bronx. And he played on it and he
Speaker 9: engineered it, he did ever thing.
Speaker 4: Who was the president of rock Candy Records Records, So.
Speaker 9: Rock Candy Records was, man, we can we really talk
Speaker 9: right now. Rock Candy Records was a record company that
Speaker 9: started as they sold pillows. Remember the pillows. They used
Speaker 9: to sell like on the corner, like the big stuff pillows.
Speaker 9: So they used to make the pillows and they were
Speaker 9: all stuffed with like shredded denim. So the table on
Speaker 9: the album cover of Criminal Minded was also a table
Speaker 9: used to make the porn.
Speaker 1: Because they used to shoot porn. Damn, I don't want.
Speaker 9: This company was definitely like they were a small record
Speaker 9: company called rock Candy. But in there, wait, dude, and
Speaker 9: it gets better than that. It was like this Muslim dude.
Speaker 9: There was Aish guy who funded a lot of it.
Speaker 9: Always boy, listen, they made they made porn. I'm not
Speaker 9: making this up.
Speaker 1: Always so pillows.
Speaker 9: There's like I'm just seing the link to them here,
Speaker 9: Like there's a video of Scotland, Scotland Rock and I
Speaker 9: performing South bron Chris couldn't make it, you know, not performed.
Speaker 9: But while we're performing South Bronx, you see these pillows
Speaker 9: on the side of us.
Speaker 1: An early merchan deal, early endorsement, the first three damn.
Speaker 8: Now you wonder what they are. Now that's interesting, a
Speaker 8: musliming and Jewish man coming together for such a.
Speaker 1: Yes man, man, you're serious, No, I'm dead serious.
Speaker 4: So that was and then what was Boy, we got
Speaker 4: to go further. So who made the deal to get
Speaker 4: with these guys?
Speaker 1: I mean there's records there.
Speaker 9: We couldn't get deals. I'm telling you the real Yes,
Speaker 9: I could never tell you all of this. Yes, he
Speaker 9: wasn't there. The real deal is Scott and I were
Speaker 9: walking down the street. We were like, I don't even
Speaker 9: it's like on near Like, well, you're not from New York.
Speaker 9: So there's a like an old courthouse on the Grand Concourse.
Speaker 9: We were in that area and Scott saw he had
Speaker 9: this newspaper and in the back of it it had
Speaker 9: all of these companies.
Speaker 1: So Scott.
Speaker 9: We had no cell phone. Was none of that, Scott.
Speaker 9: There was Rock Candy Records, and he got their number
Speaker 9: from from a newspaper, like some industry like newspaper called
Speaker 9: set up a meeting. I was on the next phone
Speaker 9: talking to this check and this is the importance of it.
Speaker 9: I know, I'm going way evan conversation. So that one
Speaker 9: particular moment of him being on the phone setting up
Speaker 9: a meeting to meet with the Rock Candy people, I
Speaker 9: was on the phone just talking to just a friend
Speaker 9: of mine. I was fifteen years old at the time.
Speaker 9: I so crazy, man, Like I just I didn't want
Speaker 9: to stand there not doing anything, and I wanted to
Speaker 9: be like, well, if he's on the phone, I need
Speaker 9: to get on the phone too. In that conversation, in
Speaker 9: that moment of like talking to this young lady, nothing flirtatious,
Speaker 9: none of that, her dude grabs the phone from a like, hey,
Speaker 9: I know you're trying to talk to my girl. When
Speaker 9: I see you, I'm gonna kill you. Not making this up.
Speaker 9: In that one conversation where we worked out this meeting
Speaker 9: to get with Rock Candy Records, I had this one
Speaker 9: conversation with this young lady. And the reason why I
Speaker 9: say I'm jumping the gun right now in this conversation
Speaker 9: is because that is the one conversation that I had
Speaker 9: was with her was the reason why I ended up
Speaker 9: having issues when we had records out with some random
Speaker 9: dude rolling up on me. Wow, that pulled the gun
Speaker 9: out on me. It had no idea why he was
Speaker 9: pulling the gun on me, like, yo, you were trying
Speaker 9: to talk to my girl and fucking kill you. And
Speaker 9: that ended up being the situation that I was in
Speaker 9: that cost Scott his life so crazy.
Speaker 1: So both seeds were planning at that moment, in that
Speaker 1: very moment.
Speaker 9: She never even talked about this. I never even thought
Speaker 9: about that until now.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that very moment. Damn wow, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: got to take a moment.
Speaker 8: See a therapist just for that moment.
Speaker 1: Now. Damn Now I feel I'm ruin it with the nerve.
Speaker 1: So back to the poorn.
Speaker 4: No, but you, but you also mentioned something else. You
Speaker 4: said Scott was DJing that Dancitaria. Was he a legendary
Speaker 4: New York DJ by that time or not at all?
Speaker 1: He was?
Speaker 4: I know that that Dancitaria is a high reputation nightclub
Speaker 4: Jellybean Benitez was a DJ there.
Speaker 1: I know Madonna frequent there a lot. Yes, that's where
Speaker 1: the artist and all this, Like how did he get
Speaker 1: a gig at Dancitarian.
Speaker 9: So Scott used to DJ at a club uptown in
Speaker 9: New York called Broadway International. So Broadway International, New York
Speaker 9: City was kind of legendary and it was one of
Speaker 9: the first clubs to allow people to just play hip hop.
Speaker 9: So at Danceitteryia, Scott was he wasn't because you know,
Speaker 9: early on, like people there were, we had no specific
Speaker 9: genre of music that you wanted to just play, like
Speaker 9: you played music. If it felt good, you played. That's
Speaker 9: why I know all of these records as a DJ now,
Speaker 9: because it was just about the groove. So Scott was
Speaker 9: probably an opening DJ at a place like Dancitteria, but
Speaker 9: at at Broadway International, he like that was like a
Speaker 9: night that he did, so they him from that. But yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean I was too young. My first club ever,
Speaker 9: like first time ever going to a club was Latin Quarters.
Speaker 1: Here we go, it's been a while. You have a
Speaker 1: story about Latin I actually do.
Speaker 4: They're mocking me because they think I might have don't
Speaker 4: believe it. They think that I have a Latin Quarter fetish,
Speaker 4: but I know that history is made at the Latin Quarter.
Speaker 1: That's why I purposely didn't mention it, because I know,
Speaker 1: we know we're going to go there, so it's cool,
Speaker 1: you know, Latin Quarters. Man, We're gonna wait. This is
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 4: So I have a question and reflection. Have you been
Speaker 4: to any of these gigs with with with with Scott
Speaker 4: Scott as a detail? No, No, you were too young.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 9: I didn't know him at the time. Okay, so by
Speaker 9: the time I met Scott and he stopped, it was
Speaker 9: strictly focusing on making the b DP records.
Speaker 8: And what's the age difference real quick between you and
Speaker 8: Scott at the time.
Speaker 1: He's still seventeen. Yeah I was. No, I was.
Speaker 9: I was fifteen when we met, and Scott was probably
Speaker 9: like twenty five. Well he passed the twenty five so
Speaker 9: Scott was twenty four at the time. So yeah, he
Speaker 9: was a kid, which is so crazy.
Speaker 1: Like a year though.
Speaker 8: That's it's crazy too, because you basically saying you met
Speaker 8: him a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I was involved in his life for one year a lot,
Speaker 9: and he changed his life, changed my life, man, you know, Wow,
Speaker 9: I don't know where I would have been without DJ Scottland.
Speaker 8: Rock probably still with you, no, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yes, So getting to the record labels like rock Candy
Speaker 4: was the first one you guys chose, and wow, I'm
Speaker 4: certain that it was a low end deal because it's
Speaker 4: you know, because they had pillows pillows. That was an
Speaker 4: evance ours a couple of throw pillows. No, it was
Speaker 4: it was or was the artillery at least real on
Speaker 4: the cover that album?
Speaker 1: No, that was real? Oh sure, no, that was that.
Speaker 1: That's what you said. That was nerve For me, all
Speaker 1: that stuff is nerve and water.
Speaker 9: The guns on that cover and also the UZI on
Speaker 9: A one, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that was real.
Speaker 8: We ain't gonna say were disappear just appear?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Shoot, I don't want to know that that much limitation.
Speaker 4: So once these songs are made, what is the testing
Speaker 4: ground to see, like, how do things go viral? At
Speaker 4: that point the test in nineteen eighty six, how do
Speaker 4: things go viral?
Speaker 9: So in New York City was it like in park jams?
Speaker 9: And specific was like if you tested your record at
Speaker 9: a park jam and if people were rocking to it,
Speaker 9: that was it. Now there are two moments that I
Speaker 9: clearly remember. One was Scott and I back in the day,
Speaker 9: you know, before m P three's, they would have what's
Speaker 9: known as an acetate and just like, yeah, we just
Speaker 9: had We had like twelve of them, twelve to fifteen
Speaker 9: of them pressed up. And matter of fact, it was
Speaker 9: like we went from Tom Coin like Tom Unknown Man,
Speaker 9: we can talk music, bro. Tom was like every record
Speaker 9: that we've we ever recorded was done by that dude.
Speaker 9: He mastered everything. Ling Man like mastered everything from.
Speaker 1: The South Bronx to Hamilton. That's so crazy.
Speaker 9: But we went from like we had these plates done
Speaker 9: at a place on forty second stret I can't remember
Speaker 9: the name of it, but we Scott and I would
Speaker 9: walk around to like Park Jams and play the records
Speaker 9: and I remember performing South Bronx and all I ever
Speaker 9: said on that record was Joe was sub Scotland rock.
Speaker 9: But we would go to Park Jams and because Chris
Speaker 9: lived in Brooklyn at the time, actually no, he didn't
Speaker 9: live in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: He lived in the.
Speaker 9: No, he lived in the in the refrigerator in the
Speaker 9: freezer of Rock Candy Records.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Freezers, dude.
Speaker 9: Wait, I'm not making this up. Chris and Miss Melody. Damn,
Speaker 9: I'm going back.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about this. Girl. Dude got me thinking about.
Speaker 9: So well, we wade South Bronx in the same studio
Speaker 9: or the same picture of office that they made the
Speaker 9: porn and we shot the album covernor downstairs it was
Speaker 9: like this a warehouse that that the office was housing
Speaker 9: on on in like the Cypress area of the Bronx
Speaker 9: with Susan No, not Susan Rond. What's the other the
Speaker 9: other strip club? You know what I'm saying, a lot
Speaker 9: of foolishness going over on over there. Anyway, downstairs there
Speaker 9: was a freezer in the garage, so you know, like
Speaker 9: if it's like if you it was a place where
Speaker 9: you house like food you at the truck in or
Speaker 9: dead bodies in the freezer. That's where Karas live with
Speaker 9: Miss Melody. Now what's crazy about this is you know
Speaker 9: the rolling paper, like when you're doing like big shipping
Speaker 9: and you use the rolling paper around. You know, we
Speaker 9: laid that down as carpet, put their bed in there,
Speaker 9: and that's where they lived and Chris had to be
Speaker 9: home at a certain hour before they closed because once
Speaker 9: you were in that's when they locked it up. This
Speaker 9: is I'm telling BDP. They didn't have one. You know,
Speaker 9: once you're in, you're in, so you're in the freezer.
Speaker 9: They lived in the freezer. When you get them.
Speaker 1: On adam Min's shelter.
Speaker 4: It's strictly to sleep in overnight, so you have to
Speaker 4: be in a certain time and then in the morning
Speaker 4: what time is it let out?
Speaker 9: So in the morning, I mean, I never lived in
Speaker 9: the men shelter. I just want to make that sch
Speaker 9: but no, in the morning they had to get up,
Speaker 9: you know, seven am, and get out, try to find
Speaker 9: a jobs or whatever, and then they had to be
Speaker 9: at a certain time. So in the men's shelter it
Speaker 9: was like Krs Justice, I see you live there. Scottland
Speaker 9: Rock was the social worker, a manager Moe who you
Speaker 9: know still one of my best friends and managed our group,
Speaker 9: was a security guard there. So that men's shelter was
Speaker 9: extremely portant important to like early.
Speaker 1: Hip hop, did they not have families or like what?
Speaker 4: I'm certain that I know that the conditions in the
Speaker 4: Bronx were like in Dire Straits. But was it just
Speaker 4: because they didn't have family issues or.
Speaker 9: I don't know what Chris's situation was and why he
Speaker 9: was in the men's shelter. You know, I couldn't tell
Speaker 9: you why. You know, I didn't meet Kenny Parker until
Speaker 9: maybe like when we did Jack Space, So it was
Speaker 9: around that album, So Jack of Space came out.
Speaker 1: That was eighty No, no, it was eighty nine. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was like eighty eight eighty eight.
Speaker 4: Because it's super amazing to me that, uh, like, just
Speaker 4: in general, like we're so dismissive of the home of
Speaker 4: the of the homeless that they're damn near invisible to
Speaker 4: us in society, because I think a lot of us
Speaker 4: fear that that, you know, a lot of us are
Speaker 4: you know, two checks away to Yeah, So it's like
Speaker 4: it's hard to look at them, you know, to look
Speaker 4: them in the eye and deal with it.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I'm more amazed that.
Speaker 4: In general people didn't scoff and just be like, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're holmemost like, but there's the future of music
Speaker 4: in this situation. So it's amazing to me how they
Speaker 4: pulled themselves out of their position.
Speaker 8: But isn't it amazing too that Scotland Rock was like
Speaker 8: a social worker already.
Speaker 9: And actually I want to I want to take something back.
Speaker 9: Just I don't think Justice lived there, just with friends.
Speaker 9: I want to clear that up. Okay, I thought, but
Speaker 9: I see you definitely lived there. Chris definitely only lived.
Speaker 1: There, you know.
Speaker 8: And they're how old at the time.
Speaker 9: Chris was pretty much the same age as Scott. So yeah,
Speaker 9: Chris was roughly around twenty three, twenty four years old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, I mean we oft to them for
Speaker 4: changing their situation around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to go from sleeping in the freezer to having
Speaker 1: a recording career.
Speaker 4: So how were they able to learn because let's not
Speaker 4: forget they changed hip hop, So how are they able
Speaker 4: to learn technology? And I have these records like most
Speaker 4: of us have the comfort of oh yeah, my mom
Speaker 4: and dad have these records in our home.
Speaker 1: Like, but like one of the resources they have to
Speaker 1: know to change things.
Speaker 9: Remember, Scott was the social.
Speaker 1: Work Okay, so Scott situationatt went to you know, he
Speaker 1: was college educated.
Speaker 9: He went to school in Vermont, like Scott was always
Speaker 9: wait he was yes, yeah, he went to I can't
Speaker 9: remember which school, but he went to school. He went
Speaker 9: to school in Vermont. Scott was a straight nerd, like
Speaker 9: he would be sitting here doing this podcast with you,
Speaker 9: like He was a straight up nerd back then, bro
Speaker 9: like but he was a nerd dude that loved music,
Speaker 9: that loved hip hop and listen, I never heard of
Speaker 9: an interview. Let me tell you, man, I'll tell you
Speaker 9: how much I loved Scott.
Speaker 1: He was a nerd.
Speaker 9: But we also anytime something happened, we would figure it out.
Speaker 9: So I'll give you I'll give you a funny story.
Speaker 9: First time I've ever been on a plane after South
Speaker 9: Bronx was out was our very first show was in Rochester,
Speaker 9: New York.
Speaker 1: W d k X so in super ho.
Speaker 11: No, so.
Speaker 1: We went.
Speaker 9: We were doing the show in Rochester. South Bronx was
Speaker 9: the only record we had out. Dude, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So we went.
Speaker 9: We had no place to stay, it was a one
Speaker 9: way ticket, didn't have a fly back. We were going
Speaker 9: to do this show and it was great. I lost
Speaker 9: my virginity at this show. The show was extremely important.
Speaker 1: That's how you remember it. So well, what is this
Speaker 1: chapter gonna?
Speaker 4: This is?
Speaker 1: I figured out Rochester, Chester, So we went.
Speaker 9: We went to this show, we performed. We didn't have
Speaker 9: a hotel room. So the guy that brought us up,
Speaker 9: his name was Scotty. I remember this man like, it's crazy.
Speaker 9: So Scottie, I can't remember your sister's name.
Speaker 1: That my virginity to So what's so?
Speaker 9: What's crazy is Scott we flew into Rochester and he
Speaker 9: brought a young lady with us. So it was it
Speaker 9: was Terras, Scotland Rock, myself and this young lady and
Speaker 9: the guy that produced the show brought us. He asked
Speaker 9: us to stay at his house. So in the middle
Speaker 9: of the night, not me know this is crazy. In
Speaker 9: the middle of the night, his mom woke up. She
Speaker 9: was super Christian. She found out that there was a
Speaker 9: young lady staying with us.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 9: She walked around the house and she had like the
Speaker 9: holy water and she was putting crosses on our heads
Speaker 9: and she and she told us to get out of
Speaker 9: her house, and only the young lady could stay. So
Speaker 9: we had no place to go.
Speaker 1: We had no money.
Speaker 9: Me, Scott, Caress, dude. We broke into like a motel six.
Speaker 9: What we broke into a motel six and we the
Speaker 9: three of us, stayed in this one room. Scott slept
Speaker 9: in the bed, Kara slept on the floor. I slept
Speaker 9: on the desk. But we knew we had to get
Speaker 9: out of the room before before.
Speaker 1: Came. So we like, you get in the room, like.
Speaker 9: Literally broke it was a motel six, so you know.
Speaker 1: I thought you crashed the windows.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, like kick through the door, just staying yo, man,
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all, y'all went through the fire to make my
Speaker 1: life easy. It's crazy.
Speaker 8: The social worker, the fifteen year old, and I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm like, did you guys have tour support support?
Speaker 9: We didn't have a check rider, we didn't have any
Speaker 9: of that. No, so so what the story gets better though,
Speaker 9: So after breaking into this hotel room, we left like
Speaker 9: five or six in the morning, and we fell asleep
Speaker 9: on these steps and it was the steps of a school.
Speaker 9: And I swear to you, the three of us woke
Speaker 9: up to like these little kids throwing candy at.
Speaker 3: Wake up.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 8: And what did you say you did last night? You
Speaker 8: said you broke it a million dollars. Okay, this man,
Speaker 8: you come a long way.
Speaker 1: The song the sound came and hooked him up. The
Speaker 1: song throwing candy at him? Not a bad life.
Speaker 4: How did you guys organize shows in those early days
Speaker 4: when you didn't have.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, a ten song catalog?
Speaker 4: To perform for the audience when you only had three songs,
Speaker 4: like would you just go back and forth on big
Speaker 4: beat for twenty minutes? Or somebody say ho, or like
Speaker 4: how did you you only had a little bit of
Speaker 4: vegetable and meat, but you needed a lot of broth?
Speaker 1: Like what was it a show back then for twenty minutes?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? That was a good reference? Was he a sports?
Speaker 1: That was a solid soup metaphor and a first of many?
Speaker 9: Please we know there. We didn't do a lot of
Speaker 9: freestyle stuff at all.
Speaker 1: You just do your one song and that's it was.
Speaker 9: Yet we did the one well, we always had two songs,
Speaker 9: so we had South Bronx and the PS three, So
Speaker 9: that was my involvement.
Speaker 1: So I was right, you're the t R eight oh eight. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I was doing the beatbox on the PS three my
Speaker 9: first time and probably No No first and I think
Speaker 9: the second time beatboxing was on No Rozelle. By the way,
Speaker 9: No Rozelle only beatbox on two records. He is Free
Speaker 9: and on Uh the Bioman's Necessary album there was a
Speaker 9: song with.
Speaker 1: Breath control, breath control, that's you? Was that Booby is Necessary?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 9: That was on the Blueprint yeah, I worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is you. Yeah, that was my damn yeah
Speaker 1: that nice? Nice nice, That was me with the sample,
Speaker 1: you know that is right? Uh well he starts with
Speaker 1: Ray Charles and then is that Duke Gallington?
Speaker 9: No, No, the beat is Oh my gosh, hate Jude,
Speaker 9: who did hate you?
Speaker 1: The Beatles? Not the Beatles? The Soul version Clarence not
Speaker 1: Clarence William the hundred. What's that? What's his name in
Speaker 1: the Night Hour? What's his name?
Speaker 9: Wilson Pickett, Wilson Wilson Pickets version. So I sampled it
Speaker 9: is yeah, organ, the organ.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that.
Speaker 9: That was the Wilson Pickett version of Hey.
Speaker 4: Nice Okay, okay, So okay, I gotta get to the
Speaker 4: rivalry part. So you know, are you guys, were there
Speaker 4: any meetings between not meetings, rivalries or whatever between the
Speaker 4: Jews Crew you guys after that initial meeting, Like because
Speaker 4: New York hip hops community is small, so surely there
Speaker 4: has to be a running or two.
Speaker 9: So with the Jewe Crew, I don't know what happened
Speaker 9: before I was involved with the group, So I you know,
Speaker 9: I really part of South Bronx. I didn't understand because
Speaker 9: I you know, I wasn't there to experience that first
Speaker 9: meeting that care Us and Scott had afterwards, My best
Speaker 9: friend was in the Juice Crew and still one of
Speaker 9: my best friends to this day, Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 1: So before any not to say, y'all still used to
Speaker 1: give him shoutouts.
Speaker 9: Yeah, came was always king was my dude, like that
Speaker 9: was I mean, he and kr Us or he actually
Speaker 9: helped care Us move into his first apartment. So even
Speaker 9: though we had this rivalry with the Juice Crew, it
Speaker 9: was more about records than anything. I mean, there was
Speaker 9: some animosity there because I'll talk about it at all.
Speaker 9: It was just like we never had those conversations. At
Speaker 9: least I was never a part of those conversations. I
Speaker 9: don't know if Chris did with Magic or but no,
Speaker 9: we it was strictly about records and versus those guys
Speaker 9: because Marty, come on, you know, Marley worked with Chris
Speaker 9: Man Like, Marley was always a good dude. And and
Speaker 9: the thing about me is, you know, back then and
Speaker 9: even now, man, I was always a lover of hip
Speaker 9: hop and producers. Like once I once I became involved
Speaker 9: with it, it's like I wanted to know everything about
Speaker 9: the culture like everything, and when I met the players,
Speaker 9: you know, when I met Marri or when I met
Speaker 9: Dougie Fresh or like, I was always a fan. So
Speaker 9: even though we made these records and bridges over, I
Speaker 9: was still a fan of those dudes, Like they walked
Speaker 9: into a room. I remember being in a club in
Speaker 9: the Bronx on Tremont Avenue and I was there by
Speaker 9: myself at this club, and I remember when the Juice
Speaker 9: crew walked in. There was this swag about it, like,
Speaker 9: you know, to see Shan walk in with Biz and
Speaker 9: TJ Swan and then walking in to do a show.
Speaker 9: She was crazy to me, Like even though we were
Speaker 9: competing against them, respect that, yeah, because they really had
Speaker 9: a crew. We didn't have a crew. It was Scottland
Speaker 9: rock care resting in myself, I.
Speaker 1: Thought y'all rolled ten billions based on that. My philosophy
Speaker 1: video was like yo, yeah, so I couldn't even tell
Speaker 1: you who have of those people are all Fat Freddy's
Speaker 1: friends exactly? So I gotta go there? What give us? All? Right?
Speaker 4: There's a nightclub in midtown Manhattan. Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you heard about it. What it's called the
Speaker 4: Latin Quarter.
Speaker 1: I think I have been there before, man, So.
Speaker 4: For you, can you just give us a general synopsis
Speaker 4: of reopen the Latin Quarter, or at least make a
Speaker 4: documentary about it.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, that's one of the docs I want
Speaker 9: to work on is on the Latin because it was
Speaker 9: such First of all, I had no idea. It wasn't
Speaker 9: until two thousand and like roughly around two thousand and five,
Speaker 9: two thousand and six. I was at you know, buddy
Speaker 9: Chris Lighty's house and we were in the backyard playing
Speaker 9: basketball and we talked about the Latin Quarter. I had
Speaker 9: no idea that it was a juice bar, like they
Speaker 9: served no alcohol. Wait, wait, listen, there was no alcohol
Speaker 9: served at our parties.
Speaker 8: Nobody has said this.
Speaker 4: No wait, during that hip hop era, during the hip
Speaker 4: hop era, you weren't getting nice.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 9: That's so when Chris said, yeah, it's crazy there was
Speaker 9: a juice bar, I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9: Because I was too young to drink. I was in
Speaker 9: there when I was like fifteen sixteen. They served no alcohol.
Speaker 9: So all all that aggression was just dudes probably getting
Speaker 9: nice before the club and the way hip hop made
Speaker 9: them feel. And when I tell you that this club was.
Speaker 9: This club was everything. This was the mecha of hip
Speaker 9: hop at the time, you know, like everything changed from
Speaker 9: this club. That was the first place we ever played
Speaker 9: South Bronx. That was the first time I ever heard
Speaker 9: Eric being rock him. Matter of fact, it was the
Speaker 9: first time that I met Mike Tyson. So here's my
Speaker 9: Mike Tyson story.
Speaker 1: Together.
Speaker 9: Mike Tyson was a beast. We were all young, young
Speaker 9: dude like.
Speaker 1: So we walked this point.
Speaker 9: He was Mike Tyson, but he didn't have the belt
Speaker 9: was six, I mean six, too much of this guy, Damn.
Speaker 1: Six. This was eighty six.
Speaker 9: So I remember walking into the restroom into the I'm
Speaker 9: a little nice right now in a little boogie.
Speaker 1: So I walked into the.
Speaker 9: Bathroom, walked walked into the bathroom, and Mike Tyson was
Speaker 9: next to me taking a piss. This is this is
Speaker 9: real ship right here. Mike accidentally stepped on a dudes stepped.
Speaker 1: On the sneakers. Dude.
Speaker 9: Dude was like, yo, you stepped the much blah blah blah,
Speaker 9: and Mike hit him one time, knocked the dude out
Speaker 9: in the bathroom and then stepped over him to exit
Speaker 9: the bathroom.
Speaker 1: No lie.
Speaker 8: Was there he can tell you no words like he
Speaker 8: ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 1: To say anything. This dude out stepped over him and
Speaker 1: walked out. We have another Mike Tyson punched somebody's story.
Speaker 1: I swear to God we have the name of campbells
Speaker 1: Naomi Campbell. So I mean she didn't push nail me
Speaker 1: out the car?
Speaker 8: Did you know Hea the Hunter? Because you know she
Speaker 8: lived at the Latin Quarter we have.
Speaker 9: I've known Heather since back then in the freezer, since
Speaker 9: the freezer pillows. I don't know her in the freezer
Speaker 9: or with the pillows under her back, none of that,
Speaker 9: none of that.
Speaker 8: You haven't see that apartment, she says. They look like
Speaker 8: the Cotton Club and whatnot up there that's in Dumbo
Speaker 8: or inside the last She lived in the Latin Quarter
Speaker 8: with David Copperfield.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, David Copperfield lived in the Latin Quarter.
Speaker 9: So the guy who owned the guy who owned the
Speaker 9: Latin Quarter was a guy named Mike. I can't remember
Speaker 9: Mike's last name, but Mike managed David Copperfield back then,
Speaker 9: so he was making his money from from now some
Speaker 9: other things, but no, for sure he managed David Copperfield.
Speaker 9: I remember, so every time I see David Copperfield's name
Speaker 9: in Vegas, I'm like, I could make it too.
Speaker 1: I could do this. Wow, disappear at the Latin Quarter happen.
Speaker 9: No, that's crazy. I didn't know you were obsessed with
Speaker 9: the Latin Quarters. Man, it was serious.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with hip hop history.
Speaker 4: But I'm more I'm trying to figure out why because
Speaker 4: of Okay, it's one thing for you to be like
Speaker 4: a legend or in the industry and you roll with
Speaker 4: a lot of people, like if you're carrying Red alerts
Speaker 4: records something you kind of protected you in the DJ
Speaker 4: booth or whatever. But I'm just to the point where
Speaker 4: people were coming from all walks of life to getting
Speaker 4: this club, and you know, your chain could be victed,
Speaker 4: you could be It's like going to the prison yard jackets.
Speaker 4: But everybody, but everyone that sits and tells that Latin
Speaker 4: Quarter story has such romantic, kind of amazing stories, Like,
Speaker 4: but people are getting jacked and fucked up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but when you're a part of it, you don't
Speaker 9: realize that you just got jacked fucked up.
Speaker 4: You're like just happy to be there, Like, is it
Speaker 4: you know one person that just has a fuck Latin
Speaker 4: quarter stories like I got I.
Speaker 9: Don't know anyone, and I'm telling you I've seen a
Speaker 9: lot of shit happen in the Latin quarters. Here's another story, right,
Speaker 9: so we're in the Latin quarters and this is why
Speaker 9: this should be in a juice bar. Is so crazy
Speaker 9: to me because I cannot believe that everyone was fighting
Speaker 9: like this, like it was sober. It was fighting like
Speaker 9: the sober dude. Like there was a dude who worked
Speaker 9: at the front door. They called he had a doll
Speaker 9: made after him, like in the eighties, he was called Sunman.
Speaker 9: If you wait what yo wait wait he was like
Speaker 9: he was was.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 9: His whole body was like a y like and they
Speaker 9: called him sonman. Like I'm not making this up. MC search,
Speaker 9: you asked, search Search was there. Michael Rappaport was there
Speaker 9: like this, Listen. He was bold enough to get Michael
Speaker 9: rap everywhere, was everywhere. I'm not lying, broke, Michael rapp
Speaker 9: Report is the truth. People people look at him sometime
Speaker 9: they're like, you coach you roser. No, he was there,
Speaker 9: like he was there all the ship he talks. I
Speaker 9: swear to you, Michael Rappaport was there. He was there
Speaker 9: the one skinny Skinny Kid, skinny white Kid. In the
Speaker 9: middle of hip hop party was Mike Rappaport.
Speaker 1: Is this man, dude? Is that the doll?
Speaker 9: So that's the doll from back in the day. That's yo.
Speaker 9: The guy was that is smart he.
Speaker 1: Having? And what was son Man's special power? I don't
Speaker 1: even know. He blocked before sun Man word son Man.
Speaker 1: So he was the guy he was.
Speaker 9: He was the security back at the Latin Quarters. So
Speaker 9: he let certain people in anyway, So once we were inside,
Speaker 9: you always felt safe, but not really because she always
Speaker 9: because some man was at the door. How many people
Speaker 9: were at the door? I couldn't even tell you. I
Speaker 9: do remember son Man. I remember son Man. God damn,
Speaker 9: I have his number on my phone. No, but these dudes,
Speaker 9: this is too much to rock. By the way, brother Love,
Speaker 9: I love you. I can be extremely honest. These dudes.
Speaker 9: If there was a fight going on in front of
Speaker 9: the Latin Quarters, I swear to God, they would lift
Speaker 9: up the cars and move the cars. They were that strong.
Speaker 9: It was like dudes that was at the door and
Speaker 9: they weren't in full force, but they weren't dressed like them,
Speaker 9: but they would, like I swear to you, bro like
Speaker 9: move cars.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Yo.
Speaker 9: The Latin Quarters by far the best experience I ever
Speaker 9: had in my life in terms of being in the
Speaker 9: club in just pure hip hop moments. There was a
Speaker 9: moment in the quarters right where the Decepticons were fighting
Speaker 9: against the A team.
Speaker 1: Wait, there was the eighteen there. I never heard the
Speaker 1: eight so.
Speaker 9: They were all there were a bunch of dancers that
Speaker 9: could fight well. But yo, that's the best I've ever heard.
Speaker 8: But the.
Speaker 1: Thing is, I can fight well.
Speaker 9: By the way, if you're still alive, no disiness bag.
Speaker 9: But no, this moment was so crazy. So we're in
Speaker 9: the club. I don't know why they started fighting. I
Speaker 9: just remember LL had his big cool j ring.
Speaker 1: So you know the story. I've heard of this story.
Speaker 1: So the story. I was there.
Speaker 9: I saw the fights happening. I was safely in the
Speaker 9: DJ booth with red alert. But red alert listen, man,
Speaker 9: red alert is in O G Chris lighty O gs LLLL.
Speaker 9: You can say what you want about him licking his
Speaker 9: lips that.
Speaker 1: Hell j O G. Man.
Speaker 9: The fights happened, people were trying to like trying to
Speaker 9: rob LLLL. Pretty much what this was, I'm telling you.
Speaker 9: It was like the wild Wild West bro.
Speaker 1: So the lights were on, but with dancing.
Speaker 11: Choreography, it was like the dude, it was crazy in
Speaker 11: all of these sections of people fighting, the Scepticons, the
Speaker 11: A Team, and this regular party goes un.
Speaker 9: So everyone's fighting.
Speaker 1: I'm into DJ booth, like you, this is crazy. This
Speaker 1: is crazy.
Speaker 9: Red Alert was trying to jump from the DJ booth
Speaker 9: because it was on the second level. He was trying
Speaker 9: to jump out of the DJ booth because Chris Lighty
Speaker 9: was fighting. Chris Lighty's fighting because Chris is trying to
Speaker 9: protect LLLL and Chris used to carry Red Alerts records
Speaker 9: at the time, So Chris is fighting, everyone's fighting. Scott
Speaker 9: Lak and I in the DJ booth. I don't know
Speaker 9: if Kris was there. I honestly don't know. But what
Speaker 9: I do know is this once, once the fighting stopped,
Speaker 9: LLLL had handled his right l I I you know, like, look,
Speaker 9: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: This, that one with.
Speaker 9: His lips licked, licking his lips. He handled, He handled
Speaker 9: this bro like Chris Lighty was a beast, like for real,
Speaker 9: for real.
Speaker 1: Like I've heard that about Chris.
Speaker 9: Chris was a beast. Chris walked into the DJ booth,
Speaker 9: and I won't forget this moment. He kept saying, my
Speaker 9: back is burning, my back is burned. And he pulled
Speaker 9: his shirt off in front of scottlar Rocker and I
Speaker 9: in this DJ booth, And that was the first I
Speaker 9: didn't know what raizor blade slices looked like. So when
Speaker 9: he pulled his shirt off and he bent his back,
Speaker 9: everything just opened up crazy like Gloria, like give me
Speaker 9: a sip of rocket.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite like like, so you're saying that weapons
Speaker 1: would still get inside of with Sunman at the door,
Speaker 1: Damn your son Man Man on the phone, crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 9: I'm exhausted, she said, I'm exhausted. Yeah, no, I've seen
Speaker 9: I've seen some things. Man, Latin Quarters Man, this should
Speaker 9: definitely be a documentary on the Latin.
Speaker 1: Quarters or at least like a fictionalized yeah, b T tails.
Speaker 12: You know, Leftime Movie Network, Definitely, Netflix, dancography the way
Speaker 12: that the way that it is today, where you know,
Speaker 12: unless you're a bona fide celebrity, i e.
Speaker 1: You put a Drake song on, you know, oh that's Drake,
Speaker 1: or uh, there's the New Migos or whatever.
Speaker 4: Maybe Cardi B has uh, at least a three or
Speaker 4: four second pass of playing untested material, and you know,
Speaker 4: and that's her voice, and so it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: we'll give that a chance, or you know whatever, Kanye
Speaker 4: or whoever's winning at the moment.
Speaker 1: But you know, I hear that a lot of these
Speaker 1: songs were tested.
Speaker 4: At the Latin Quarter and went off like gangbusters without
Speaker 4: people really knowing that, Like, you know, these guys weren't celebrities.
Speaker 4: So it's like you're hearing you're hearing Rebel without a
Speaker 4: pause the first time, knowing that you didn't think too
Speaker 4: highly of Public Enemy's performance the year before whenever they
Speaker 4: first performed. Chuck said that they had a horrible performance
Speaker 4: at the Latin Quarter that really didn't go off well.
Speaker 4: And you know Mel was disrespected, but it's just.
Speaker 1: Wait, male disrespected them too.
Speaker 4: Disrespect was like the Heckler the going from what from
Speaker 4: different stories we've heard, like he.
Speaker 1: Hit in the back.
Speaker 4: Just why that Mel you would try to skip the
Speaker 4: record in the DJ booth if he didn't like a
Speaker 4: particular act or you're crazy, because I mean by that
Speaker 4: point now was like like thirty two, thirty three, So
Speaker 4: it's like the new generation was I mean be like
Speaker 4: me trying to go to uh one, ok right now, like.
Speaker 1: You don't know me if you are worried about what
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Anyway? Wait, some even crazier?
Speaker 1: Why is some even crazier?
Speaker 4: So now if it's an all ages show where kids
Speaker 4: are there, uh and by kids, I mean like the
Speaker 4: kids of like whoever, like our real roots fans are
Speaker 4: like they bring them twelve to thirteen years old. Yo,
Speaker 4: motherfuckers think that we're now doing the Drake song, Oh Drake,
Speaker 4: oh Drake's, Oh my God, like my Drake trek check is.
Speaker 1: Awesome for what one of those songs on if you're
Speaker 1: reading they're reading this, okay, shut me neither.
Speaker 4: I mean you got me as one of his hooks,
Speaker 4: like he does it twice at the end. But when
Speaker 4: we do it, the look on their faces.
Speaker 1: Like they're doing it's good.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's good, but it's just you just don't
Speaker 8: It's just.
Speaker 1: Makes you feel old.
Speaker 8: That's made me feel old.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: They know the song, that's all.
Speaker 8: I don't hear the check, so I just feel old.
Speaker 8: I listened to the story, you know that's wow.
Speaker 1: Can you just take the hook again? Look? Man, quest
Speaker 1: A little coffee and full of singing. I was just
Speaker 1: the young boy. I gotta this movie. Get back to
Speaker 1: the interview, more stories. I'm sorry, we just needed had coffee.
Speaker 1: Please off.
Speaker 4: So why why did Mel come up to you guys
Speaker 4: to pick a battle? Was it because it was all
Speaker 4: about you guys?
Speaker 9: Or you know right now, like if you're listening, I
Speaker 9: love you. Back then, I looked at him. He was
Speaker 9: a straight hater. Yeah, straight up hater. And and I'll
Speaker 9: tell you a story, brother, we were And I remember
Speaker 9: this clearly because at the time I was mad at
Speaker 9: KRS and I was getting my first apartment and.
Speaker 1: Don Lewis, I know, this is wait a minute, different world,
Speaker 1: cosmby people were coming to this.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, yes, Don Lewis was like my big sister down,
Speaker 9: I love you.
Speaker 1: Where is she now?
Speaker 9: She's still you know, she's still making stuff and you
Speaker 9: know she's in LA But no, Don Dawn was that.
Speaker 9: This is why I remember these stories because of moments
Speaker 9: in my life where it was so important and pivotal moments.
Speaker 9: I had my first apartment when I was sixteen. I
Speaker 9: didn't have a bed. I used to sleep on these coats,
Speaker 9: not like I had one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 1: But I never bet.
Speaker 9: All I had was a stereo system. That's all I
Speaker 9: wanted music. No no bed, not a sofa, not even
Speaker 9: a plate. I had an apartment. The apartment had like
Speaker 9: you know, back in the day they used to glue
Speaker 9: the like the carpet to the floor. Just imagine no
Speaker 9: carpet and it was all half scraped. These are my
Speaker 9: memories of like that time we're part of New York.
Speaker 9: I was living in Washington Heights on Edgecomb Avenue and
Speaker 9: like one hundred and sixty third Street in Edgecomb, right
Speaker 9: right by the bridge going into the Bronx. So I
Speaker 9: remember that vividly and going to the quarters this one
Speaker 9: particular night. And this night that I went to the quarters,
Speaker 9: Melle Mel was there, Miss Melody was there. It was
Speaker 9: you know, regular rap show with like a thousand people
Speaker 9: on stage. You don't really know, but everybody just wants
Speaker 9: to be on stage the rap shit. And Mellie Mel said,
Speaker 9: fuck these niggas, fuck that ship. We had South Bronx out.
Speaker 9: So when kas performs poetry, when he said say something,
Speaker 9: now thought, so he did that rhyme that night before
Speaker 9: poetry was done. We only had South Bronx out, so
Speaker 9: Mel said what he said, and Chris was on the
Speaker 9: mic rhyming and doing poetry. So that's the one time
Speaker 9: of like freestyling that I personally remember where Chris was
Speaker 9: like say something now and put the mic to Mel's
Speaker 9: face and he said nothing, kind of like when you
Speaker 9: asked me to rhyme.
Speaker 1: Earlier, and.
Speaker 9: Then he was like thought so, and the crowd went crazy.
Speaker 9: That's the Melli Mel experience that I remember where I
Speaker 9: lost all respect for Mel. I was strictly because even
Speaker 9: though I'm in a group, I'm like, Kris is the king. Whoa,
Speaker 9: I'm not down. No, Cara Rest was the king bro
Speaker 9: like the king of disrespecting early on.
Speaker 1: So that was would rhymes on standby and he just
Speaker 1: had rhymes man.
Speaker 9: Outside of literally outside of like Black Thought and Big
Speaker 9: Daddy Kane. I don't know anyone in Tupac. Tupac had
Speaker 9: rhymes for fucking years. We'll still here Tupac records and
Speaker 9: when we're like ninety brand new joints. But those dudes were,
Speaker 9: in my opinion, true MC's that was always prepared, always
Speaker 9: had something. They always had something.
Speaker 4: Chris told me, he showed me like a couple of
Speaker 4: he had at least four competitions of notebooks.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the last thing he left us with.
Speaker 4: The last thing he left us with, he says, hey,
Speaker 4: I even got a black thought this He said he would.
Speaker 9: Write, this is for Chris, would write he would have
Speaker 9: this record.
Speaker 1: So he turned to the page he has.
Speaker 4: No he's he was like, he was like some next movement,
Speaker 4: like he had he had it just in case I'm
Speaker 4: ready for you.
Speaker 9: I'm always Kris always had lyrics for every MC that
Speaker 9: was hot from Caine everything, and Caine was our boy,
Speaker 9: but he was still in the Juice Crew. So Chris
Speaker 9: was always prepared to battle anyone. And that was something
Speaker 9: that I was never really I didn't know about that
Speaker 9: any of that, you know, I mean records, because it
Speaker 9: was I just loved music. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't
Speaker 9: really prepared for that kind of m scene, you know.
Speaker 4: So talk to me about regrouping in the group's future
Speaker 4: after Scott passed. Like at that time, was it just
Speaker 4: like okay, but well I guess that's it no more?
Speaker 4: Or was it like we gotta do this in Scott's
Speaker 4: memory and no, it was like how what happened?
Speaker 9: So just to tell you know the QLs audience. Scott
Speaker 9: love Rock passed away coming to my aid. You know,
Speaker 9: I had an issue with a young not even with
Speaker 9: a young lady, some random issue, wasn't even an issue
Speaker 9: of my own. Scott came to my aid and this
Speaker 9: is this was so crazy, bro like. We're in the Bronx,
Speaker 9: Highbridge area of the Bronx. It's probably I don't even
Speaker 9: remember the exact street, but we were in the Highbridge
Speaker 9: area of the Bronx, not too far from Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 1: That's where I grew up.
Speaker 9: We're in this area and walking down the street eight
Speaker 9: o'clock in the morning, a group of people rolled up
Speaker 9: on me, had no idea who they were, and had
Speaker 9: this beef with them where they pulled the gun out,
Speaker 9: smacked me with the pistol and ran off. The first
Speaker 9: person that I called was Scott. I went to a
Speaker 9: pay phone called Scott, told him what happened. And Scott
Speaker 9: already had this crazy day of locking himself out, locking
Speaker 9: himself not laughing at his death at all, but locking
Speaker 9: himself out of his apartment and hanging a rope from
Speaker 9: a fire escape down to his apartment to climb into
Speaker 9: the window. It was just one of those days like yo,
Speaker 9: back in the day in the Bronx is what you
Speaker 9: had to do, man. So that's why that's why I'm like, man,
Speaker 9: this life is great. This life is great. So Scott,
Speaker 9: after having that situation, I called Scott up and he
Speaker 9: the one thing that he told me was, look, man,
Speaker 9: we don't need any issues. We don't need any issues.
Speaker 9: We need to squash this like it needs to be done.
Speaker 9: I'm going to come over, We're going to find the people,
Speaker 9: make sure everything is cool. And our mission of peace
Speaker 9: was strictly about peace until this one guy, This one
Speaker 9: guy that we had with us, we called him Robocops.
Speaker 9: So he was the original guy, not the one care
Speaker 9: Ris mentions on like I'm still number one, but he
Speaker 9: was the original guy that we worked with. He was
Speaker 9: He also was like a security guard at the Latin quarters.
Speaker 9: But what we didn't know was that he was the
Speaker 9: east Side rapist.
Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy, sh turn around. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do.
Speaker 8: I just got nervous.
Speaker 9: I don't know he was the east Side rapist. So
Speaker 9: later on, if you google him, east side rapist New York,
Speaker 9: Daryl was his name.
Speaker 8: I'm afraid to how many right now know how many
Speaker 8: bicks he got under that?
Speaker 9: I don't know. It was wow like But anyway, so
Speaker 9: this guy was a hothead dude, you know. And so
Speaker 9: the mission of peace of like going to the Bronx
Speaker 9: to find these guys that that rolled up on me
Speaker 9: became a mission of like, we're looking for trouble only
Speaker 9: because of this one person. So he we were at
Speaker 9: the projects highbridg High Bridge projects in the Bronx were
Speaker 9: we were on one side of the street. Uh K
Speaker 9: seven was there before he was K seven. He was
Speaker 9: in another group before that t K. So he was
Speaker 9: around there like we were. I remember this was one
Speaker 9: one way street. We were parked in the right right
Speaker 9: hand side. The projects were on the left. It's still
Speaker 9: that's rock talking. So if I slur a little bit,
Speaker 9: please forget me. But anyway, Scott and I were. It
Speaker 9: was me, Scott, manager, Moe, Mick Bull, and the guy
Speaker 9: we call RoboCop. So RoboCop went to ask one gentleman, hey,
Speaker 9: we're looking for blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: We didn't hear the conversation.
Speaker 9: What all we saw was whatever this dude said to
Speaker 9: him angered him, and he picked and he was like
Speaker 9: a six four sixty five dude picked this young.
Speaker 1: Kid up and just slammed him.
Speaker 9: Now, which was that was a crazy moment because if
Speaker 9: if it wasn't all about peace for them at that point,
Speaker 9: to us, it was like we were coming to just
Speaker 9: make sure we had no issues. But in that moment,
Speaker 9: those kids were like, this is it's on. And while
Speaker 9: we were standing there, maybe thirty minutes later, we were
Speaker 9: standing out there and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: Shots ranged for thirty minutes.
Speaker 9: I mean we were there for thirty minutes after the fact,
Speaker 9: and all of a sudden shots came. Shots ranged from
Speaker 9: the roof and from the bush. So our guy was
Speaker 9: hit twice, you know, Scott Loan Rock was hit twice,
Speaker 9: shot in his head twice. Bullets literally went past us
Speaker 9: because he was on the Like I told you before,
Speaker 9: we were on the right hand side of the street.
Speaker 1: He was in the passenger side.
Speaker 9: They were shooting from the left side, so bullets went
Speaker 9: through past all of it him to him, no lies crazy.
Speaker 9: So this guy gave his life, you know. So I
Speaker 9: never want to just when I when I talk about him,
Speaker 9: you know, I want to talk about the importance of
Speaker 9: like Scotland Rock and the importance to me.
Speaker 1: They introduced me to music.
Speaker 9: He gave his life for me, and to this day,
Speaker 9: his son is like someone that I loved that I
Speaker 9: try my best to make sure he's always straight because that's.
Speaker 1: What his dad did for me. How old is Scotlan
Speaker 1: Rock R. Scottlan Rock Junior is probably like thirty two
Speaker 1: now thirty.
Speaker 4: One because I always wanted to I mean that whole
Speaker 4: Scotlar Rock Jr. My pride enjoyed, always wanted to know
Speaker 4: what happened to him. Okay, he's awesome, man.
Speaker 1: What does he do now?
Speaker 9: Like he's producing music, He's been putting out like putting
Speaker 9: out his compilations, you know, you know, just just recently,
Speaker 9: you know, we we got together, got him a new NPC.
Speaker 9: You know, I want to do things with him that
Speaker 9: his dad did for me. You know, like if you
Speaker 9: want to be involved in music, let's do it. Like here,
Speaker 9: use this gear, I have this, come and get it.
Speaker 9: Let's make music. It's yours because that's what his dad,
Speaker 9: his dad gave me. It's almost like you have this
Speaker 9: this guardian angel that came into your life, put all
Speaker 9: these things in front of you and said hey, do
Speaker 9: what you can with it. Like I would not have
Speaker 9: known red alert, I wouldn't have known care rest.
Speaker 1: For sure. He didn't even liked me.
Speaker 9: He didn't even he didn't even understand why Scott put
Speaker 9: me in the group. Matter of fact, it back to
Speaker 9: the original.
Speaker 1: No, Chris and I weren't we bickering brothers are like
Speaker 1: real like I don't like that kid.
Speaker 9: For Chris when I think about it now as an adult,
Speaker 9: Chris was probably angry with me because Scott lost his life.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, I know the guilt you
Speaker 4: had to to internalize. Still I don't how did you
Speaker 4: to deal with each other or talk with each other
Speaker 4: or after that fact or was it just a white
Speaker 4: elephant you guys never spoke of And then like years
Speaker 4: later it.
Speaker 9: Was like, I don't, I don't want to call it
Speaker 9: a white elephant. Chris definitely treated me a certain kind
Speaker 9: of way. So I was in the group, one third
Speaker 9: member of BDP. We did a show.
Speaker 1: I made a third of the show.
Speaker 9: I left the group because Scott wanted to pretty much
Speaker 9: be my dad and I didn't grow up with a father.
Speaker 9: I didn't grow with my parents, So anyone trying to
Speaker 9: have like that parental role to me was an enemy,
Speaker 9: like I didn't want that. I didn't want you telling
Speaker 9: me what to do and thinking looking back at it
Speaker 9: as an adult now and as a father, man, this
Speaker 9: dude changed my life. All he wanted to do was
Speaker 9: make sure that I went to school. That's the only
Speaker 9: reason why I'm not on a Criminal Minded album cover
Speaker 9: was I didn't want to go to school and Scott
Speaker 9: said to me, if you don't go to school, then
Speaker 9: you can't be in the group. And I said, fuck
Speaker 9: this group. I'm going to go sell drugs in the
Speaker 9: street and I'm going to be good. So that's the
Speaker 9: reason why I wasn't on the BDP first album album cover,
Speaker 9: like the Criminal Minded album cover.
Speaker 8: It's crazy because I was going to ask what is
Speaker 8: a fifteen year old doing touring the world or touring
Speaker 8: the country with grown ass men, Like where were your parents?
Speaker 1: Now? There were no parents.
Speaker 9: I lived, slept on the floor and slept in the
Speaker 9: living room on one sofa and my my great grandmother
Speaker 9: was on the other sofa and my cousin. It was
Speaker 9: my cousin's apartment. So from the time I was like
Speaker 9: thirteen until my till sixteen, sixteen and a half when
Speaker 9: I got my first apartment, well, seventeen when I got
Speaker 9: my first apartment.
Speaker 1: I you know, that was what my life was.
Speaker 8: So how do you attribute being because just by optics sake,
Speaker 8: you look like to be a very involved father. You
Speaker 8: have two girls, right, how do you how do you
Speaker 8: think you became such a great father. You didn't really
Speaker 8: have to be the.
Speaker 1: Best parent that I didn't have.
Speaker 9: You know, like I wanted my kids and still want
Speaker 9: my kids to be better than I am, and I
Speaker 9: want them to be great, and my kids inspire me,
Speaker 9: you know, And it was I know, it's directly related
Speaker 9: to the way I grew up.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up. My dad growing up was
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby in my mind.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Huxtables, Like seeing that was like I wanted
Speaker 9: that for my kids. I wanted my kids to have
Speaker 9: that experience. And I used to wear those ugly ass
Speaker 9: sweaters all the time. You look at self Destruction video,
Speaker 9: So even though you have Cosby sweaters, I had them.
Speaker 1: Joints, Bro, did you produce that self Destruction? Yes?
Speaker 9: I was eighteen when I produced Self Destruct?
Speaker 4: Okay, how many twelve hundreds did you use? Because the
Speaker 4: beat switches every verse. So did you just use punch
Speaker 4: the sample in oh?
Speaker 9: No, I used a Poobla song, remember that.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 9: So the Poobla song was a rack mount sampler that
Speaker 9: would just loop whatever you had, It would loop it.
Speaker 1: That was your weapon of choice. That was choice.
Speaker 9: So yeah, so I used that in a SB twelve hundred. Okay,
Speaker 9: so I'm sorry SB twelve not even twelve hundred. I
Speaker 9: used the twelve you were still using in the twelve
Speaker 9: and eighty. I was using the twelve and then the
Speaker 9: first time, the very first beat that I made with
Speaker 9: the twelve hundred. I remember this because I keenan ivory
Speaker 9: Wayams came to us and said told Chris that he
Speaker 9: wanted to use BDP on I'm going to get you
Speaker 9: suck a project. And we were in we were in
Speaker 9: Where's Where's Ali From?
Speaker 1: I'm drunk, Shi Ali? Where's Ali from? Ali? Mohammad Muhammad? Kentucky.
Speaker 1: We were in Kentucky, Louisville. Right, We're in Louisville.
Speaker 9: And I jumped on the plane to go back to
Speaker 9: New York to go back to sam Ash, bought the
Speaker 9: s P twelve hundred, flew back on the.
Speaker 1: Road, and we were on tour with like I personally
Speaker 1: to get the well, yeah, we.
Speaker 9: Didn't have I didn't know anything about FedEx and all
Speaker 9: that I went to get this. I stayed at this hotel.
Speaker 9: Never forget this. God damn, I can't tell you everything
Speaker 9: because because I remember staying at this particular hotel with
Speaker 9: someone's future wife.
Speaker 1: But three, so we won't go there. We won't go there. Anyway.
Speaker 9: I remember back this twelve hundred and then going back
Speaker 9: on the road, and the first beat that I did
Speaker 9: on that SB twelve hundred was from a sample that
Speaker 9: I bought while I was in London, and it was
Speaker 9: the Greedy G sample, and we used to we use
Speaker 9: that sample and I put the sample the drums, you
Speaker 9: know the drums last night chan Phillip, Yes, yep, with
Speaker 9: with the Greedy G. And that was our show intro
Speaker 9: from that moment on. And then that ended up being
Speaker 9: a song that we did for The Jack of Spades.
Speaker 9: So I'm gonna get you sucking.
Speaker 4: By the time you got to the bio means necessary,
Speaker 4: what was the digging process, like, like you produced my philosophy.
Speaker 9: My philosophy, So I want to be clear about this.
Speaker 9: I don't even want to say that I produced my philosophy.
Speaker 9: That beat is definitely my beat.
Speaker 1: Who found the samples?
Speaker 9: That's all me? There you go, Yeah, that was all me.
Speaker 9: I used to go to a spot called Downtown Records
Speaker 9: in New York City, and I would go to the
Speaker 9: House of Oldies, and that's where I bought. Pretty much
Speaker 9: every record that I ever used to sample was between
Speaker 9: those two places. And I remember being in downstairs and
Speaker 9: it was always Big Doddy Kane. Biz was there. Biz
Speaker 9: was there all the time. So if you found like
Speaker 9: a sample, if you had a little bit of money,
Speaker 9: you would buy every one of those records there. So
Speaker 9: that because Biz would buy the records. So that's the
Speaker 9: only reason why call me d nice isn't call me
Speaker 9: Biz Marquee seriously, because I was smart enough when I
Speaker 9: found that sample. It was a compilation with the Turtles
Speaker 9: with Flowing Eddie on that compilation, and like Daylight had
Speaker 9: a beat off of that joint. When I found that,
Speaker 9: we also did so Steady b Yeah.
Speaker 1: Records.
Speaker 9: So that's that's I found that I looped at Chris
Speaker 9: there was produced by Karras right. But I'm telling you
Speaker 9: right now that I found.
Speaker 1: That all them four joints off the album. Yes.
Speaker 9: So with that album no, it was the Battle of
Speaker 9: the Band's album I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So with that album I found those I had.
Speaker 9: I sampled all of that stuff and call Me d Nice,
Speaker 9: which was crazy to me, call me the lyrics for
Speaker 9: call Me D Nice let's I'm gonna put it out
Speaker 9: there right now. Half of the first verse was written
Speaker 9: by Krras. It was the song Chris had written for
Speaker 9: me when I was like sixteen, and then I wrote
Speaker 9: the rest of it. But I did it on like
Speaker 9: an old Bee Boy Records album Old b Boy compilation. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and it was like super fast. I wanted everything fast,
Speaker 9: everything wanted Every record I sampled had to be like
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty beats per minute.
Speaker 1: I needed trying to get that house that house.
Speaker 9: Even after I recorded the vocals, I had them speed
Speaker 9: up the tape, like make it faster.
Speaker 1: It needs to be faster. It was just bad anyway.
Speaker 9: So those records I was sampled of records and sent
Speaker 9: it to Chris, or not even send it, bring it
Speaker 9: to Chris on the tape. And at the time I
Speaker 9: brought him, I brought him the beat for I'm Still
Speaker 9: Number One for my philosophy and the beat for call
Speaker 9: Me D Nice. And he heard the beat for call
Speaker 9: Me D Nice and he said, nah, I don't like that.
Speaker 9: What and then he took I'm still number one. I
Speaker 9: had it faster because you know the sampo, he slowed
Speaker 9: it down. I will give him that he slowed it down.
Speaker 9: He was like, no, this is it, which ended up
Speaker 9: being I mean, this is an incredible record, you know,
Speaker 9: call Me D Nice. The only reason why I did
Speaker 9: that record was because after I did the beat and
Speaker 9: I played it for Chris, he didn't want it. The
Speaker 9: second person that I played the record for was Kid Rock.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm going to say you discovered him.
Speaker 9: Yes, I mean he was already doing this thing, but
Speaker 9: he was like an opening act of one of our
Speaker 9: shows and.
Speaker 1: Been in BDP, could have been in BDP with US America.
Speaker 1: Great again, it's crazy. I have Kid Rock stories too.
Speaker 9: But anyway, so I played it for him and I
Speaker 9: did call Me D Nice the lyrics to the beat
Speaker 9: because I wanted him to know how he could rhyme
Speaker 9: on it. So and and that's the only reason why
Speaker 9: I have like two versions of the song was because
Speaker 9: I did it for him. I was like, no, you
Speaker 9: can do it like this, and then when I listened
Speaker 9: back to it was like, wait, this is actually pretty
Speaker 9: fucking dope and yeah, man, and ended up putting that
Speaker 9: out as my first single.
Speaker 4: Wow, so that was your first album? So how did
Speaker 4: when did you officially leave BDP? The time from you
Speaker 4: when you left to putting out your first solo record.
Speaker 9: So I don't think that I ever actually left BDP.
Speaker 9: I think car Rest just had my music turned down
Speaker 9: extremely low at one show and I was like, I
Speaker 9: guess I'm not in the group anymore.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 9: We did a show at the Palladium in LA and
Speaker 9: that was the moment that I realized, like some things
Speaker 9: were going on. But the moment that I realized I
Speaker 9: wasn't in the group was his Sex and Violence album,
Speaker 9: And it's because credit credits these people are not down
Speaker 9: with us, and that's that was the moment that I
Speaker 9: realized that I'm no longer with the group. And honestly,
Speaker 9: I didn't do anything that would warrant that kind of
Speaker 9: like treatment, Like it wasn't like we were beef and
Speaker 9: yeah it was because I was never a yes man.
Speaker 9: So half of the songs on like not that I
Speaker 9: you know, I don't personally think that I made a
Speaker 9: classic album as D Nice because I was a little
Speaker 9: confused with who I was at the time. I was,
Speaker 9: you know, eighteen nineteen years old. All I wanted was women.
Speaker 9: I wanted some ass like so my records reflected that
Speaker 9: my name is D Nice. I wanted them to know
Speaker 9: who I was. Chris was so prolific with his music
Speaker 9: and with his lyrics.
Speaker 1: And fucking motherfucker's up and.
Speaker 9: Fucking motherfucker's up, you know, And basically Chris got a reputation. Yeah,
Speaker 9: Chris has a reputation even in music of being a
Speaker 9: little disrespectful, but a lot of you know, oh p
Speaker 9: out but yeah, so but with Chris, with that moment,
Speaker 9: I you know, like I said, man, I didn't realize
Speaker 9: that I wasn't in the group until those records and
Speaker 9: till the Sex and Vonus album because I I'd done
Speaker 9: all of these records for BDP, Which is so crazy
Speaker 9: because in that moment, the only reason why I put
Speaker 9: out my own record because I was on Jibe. My
Speaker 9: deal was for twenty five thousand dollars to make an album,
Speaker 9: and at the same time, Tribe signed for like a
Speaker 9: half a quarter of a million at the time, I believe,
Speaker 9: so they really never believed in me. And it's crazy
Speaker 9: because Barry Whites is still like one of my friends
Speaker 9: now and I see him and I get it. I
Speaker 9: get what it is you want it cares, so I
Speaker 9: respect that. But we were never like I never had
Speaker 9: one of those deals or people to actually believe in me.
Speaker 9: So even with call Me d Nice, I put call
Speaker 9: Me d Nice out myself. I went to the record,
Speaker 9: I went to Red Alert and had an acetate and
Speaker 9: asked him to play it and read played it for
Speaker 9: Vinnie Brown, who's the program director, And that's how that
Speaker 9: record came out four or five months later. It was
Speaker 9: because I was just aggressive, like I just believed in it,
Speaker 9: you know. And you know, so I never really had
Speaker 9: those situations where people like really believed, you know, had
Speaker 9: to like force every situation.
Speaker 4: When your next record, when you did to the Rescue,
Speaker 4: how was was it a little better there? And why
Speaker 4: said that video with twenty five Life was so right drastic?
Speaker 4: That was a drastic ass video.
Speaker 9: So twenty five the Life, I mean, even though I
Speaker 9: loved the song, shouldn't have been my first single off
Speaker 9: of the second album, coming off of what I was
Speaker 9: doing in terms of like calling when I and Crumbling Table,
Speaker 9: it was different. The problem was was record companies, you know,
Speaker 9: like in People. That was like the first song that
Speaker 9: I did in the studio, and that song wasn't even
Speaker 9: supposed to be a single. It was a song that
Speaker 9: I did because one of my closest friends at the
Speaker 9: time was in He was doing twenty five to Life
Speaker 9: and he was the dude that when I was sixteen,
Speaker 9: he was a hustler dude took me to DC. I
Speaker 9: was hustling with him in DC and Paradise projects, like
Speaker 9: I've seen all of this craziness by the time I
Speaker 9: was like sixteen and seventeen years old. And the song
Speaker 9: was really written about him as my way of saying
Speaker 9: like not even saying thank you, because it wasn't a
Speaker 9: thank you record. It was just like a story of
Speaker 9: like what he went through and you know, and when
Speaker 9: I did the record, Jive immediately wanted to put it out,
Speaker 9: so it wasn't shot that video. Darnelle Martin. She ended
Speaker 9: up being like she directed a couple of movies with
Speaker 9: like the Mary J. Blige movie on BT.
Speaker 1: She did all that. She was like an n y
Speaker 1: U student. Oh, I thought you meant there was a
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige movie of the Week like her wife.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 9: No, the movie was like Mary and Q Tip Prison.
Speaker 9: She directed that, so she directed all of my videos.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I always thought that was an odd
Speaker 4: choice for a sing I mean, I thought it was dope,
Speaker 4: but it was, yeah, because I was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, it was one verse. It was just one
Speaker 1: verse in the hook, it was one long verse.
Speaker 4: That video was one of the videos where like, you know,
Speaker 4: where my dad just happened to be in the room
Speaker 4: and then the gunshod thing happened and he just looked
Speaker 4: at me like he was always coming to choice moments
Speaker 4: where like I'm like, dad, hip hop's an R for him,
Speaker 4: you know, and you just look alike.
Speaker 9: And then the twenty five of the Life video. It's
Speaker 9: so crazy because that was like my first number one
Speaker 9: MTV video. I think that was actually my only number
Speaker 9: one MTV the only one. I was like, it's not
Speaker 9: even it wasn't even supposed to be a single.
Speaker 8: Nor.
Speaker 9: The first person that Too Short did a song with
Speaker 9: on the East Coast was me on that record. That
Speaker 9: second album was a song called check Yourself. Short and
Speaker 9: Now we're on tour, and we were both signed a
Speaker 9: JIB and Jive had this brilliant idea of like, no,
Speaker 9: you guys should make records together. But when you think
Speaker 9: about it, no, we shouldn't have made records together. That
Speaker 9: that's not who my audience was. My audience was people.
Speaker 9: Not no disrespect to shorts audience, because Short is an
Speaker 9: amazing man. But at the time, coming from BDP, people
Speaker 9: probably expected a little bit more than what I actually
Speaker 9: gave them. But I was I was a fucking kid.
Speaker 9: I made records that kids would listen to. I was
Speaker 9: talking about chicks. I wanted to be hot in the streets.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: I was a dude that was selling drugs in DC
Speaker 9: and came back to New York and I wanted to
Speaker 9: be respected by these dudes. So I made those records
Speaker 9: where karas at the time, excuse me a little hiccup
Speaker 9: because I'm drinking this rock quest love juice, Jesus juice
Speaker 9: I'm having over here.
Speaker 4: But before I forget real quick because we gotta wind
Speaker 4: it up, you're definitely coming on because we didn't need
Speaker 4: to get to talk about the White House. No, the
Speaker 4: second part of your life. No, No, I'm purposely leaving
Speaker 4: the other half of your life out just so you
Speaker 4: have because you're coming back, going to.
Speaker 1: Be the signs of Burnhard, of Quest, Love Supreme, just frequently.
Speaker 8: Tape on record.
Speaker 9: You're coming back, right, are you kidding? I'm trying to
Speaker 9: sit in on every interview round stories.
Speaker 4: Yo, how did you convince Soul Train to let you
Speaker 4: perform call Me d Nice live? Because I never knew
Speaker 4: that was the your performance of that. When we finally
Speaker 4: went on Soul Train, I was like, Yo, we're gonna
Speaker 4: do the same thing De Nice did. We'll make up
Speaker 4: a trap as if it were live, and then well
Speaker 4: lip sing it, but it'll look live when it's on,
Speaker 4: you know, on television. But we got that from watching you.
Speaker 4: So why didn't you just do the typical lip singing
Speaker 4: to your version?
Speaker 9: Like so no one had done that at that point.
Speaker 9: And when when I had the invitation to perform a
Speaker 9: Soul Train, I thought all these years I thought it
Speaker 9: was live, you know, I thought everyone was doing it live,
Speaker 9: and some of them were, some of them.
Speaker 4: Were, but really I didn't even know that special you know,
Speaker 4: Barry White, Yeah, special people got the treatment, but it
Speaker 4: was costly for Don at the time to do it back,
Speaker 4: you know, gear.
Speaker 1: And all that stuff. So for the most part, it
Speaker 1: was lipstick.
Speaker 9: Well when I when I performed well the night before
Speaker 9: or the day before, I couldn't believe that you couldn't
Speaker 9: do that, you couldn't perform live. I was like, this
Speaker 9: is insane. What are you talking about? I want to
Speaker 9: perform this record. So I booked the studio session.
Speaker 1: I went in.
Speaker 9: It was me my buddy Tony Rassan, who lived at
Speaker 9: the shelter at the time and at Franklin, but he
Speaker 9: ended up becoming like my partner in in my management company.
Speaker 9: We went in the studio and I just did it
Speaker 9: live like I wanted to do. I want to feel
Speaker 9: the way I performed.
Speaker 1: It was great. We did it. We did the whole
Speaker 1: go do you dice go? Do you ice? Wait? That
Speaker 1: was you guys.
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh damn man, I was because I was gonna say, yo,
Speaker 4: you you that was the most hype I've ever seen
Speaker 4: the audience, like.
Speaker 1: Yo, dude wait.
Speaker 9: So we did all of that the studio with the
Speaker 9: next day, gave him the track. I was performing it
Speaker 9: and I was performing it like it was live. Yes,
Speaker 9: and duncan nels. He was like wait, wait, wait, stop, stop,
Speaker 9: stop stop his mic is live. What's going on? He
Speaker 9: literally stopped us and I fell out laughing, like no, dude,
Speaker 9: like we did this last night, and he said, young Blood,
Speaker 9: that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Oh man, man, that was great. Though, that's great. I
Speaker 1: was in the trench right time to No you didn't
Speaker 1: yet they KG produced it.
Speaker 9: KG produced Time to Flow, and then I wrote my
Speaker 9: own verse, which was actually a mistake. Though, man, I
Speaker 9: you know what, man, Trench was on fire at the time.
Speaker 9: I love that you asked me this. By the way,
Speaker 9: Trench was on extremely on fire, and we'd been friends
Speaker 9: even before opp any of those records came out and
Speaker 9: I watched I was fascinated by Tretch like I thought
Speaker 9: Trench was. I watched Trench battle Jay z to where
Speaker 9: Jay got frustrated and threw the mic down and walked
Speaker 9: up the stage. I'm not even lying to you. I've
Speaker 9: seen all of this and Trench was like an MC
Speaker 9: god to me. So when we had a chance to
Speaker 9: do that was like my first feature ever outside of KRST.
Speaker 9: That was the first time I ever performed with another artist,
Speaker 9: but we happened to be real friends with me shot
Speaker 9: Kim while Tifa like they were my family, you know.
Speaker 9: I was a part of Flavor Unit and work with
Speaker 9: shot like and work with Dana and Nick. So doing
Speaker 9: a record with Trench was great. The problem that I
Speaker 9: had was is that I would so fascinated and amory
Speaker 9: by like my relationship with Trench that I almost wanted
Speaker 9: to be that dude. And I didn't rhyme. I didn't
Speaker 9: rhyme like myself. I wasn't mean That's what made me
Speaker 9: ask it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I found it. I was.
Speaker 9: I wanted to rhyme like Tretch. I wanted to be
Speaker 9: like that was top level to me, and I wanted
Speaker 9: to be on his level instead of just being who
Speaker 9: I am. So there are some some mistakes that I had, man,
Speaker 9: that I actually I don't even wish I could change it,
Speaker 9: because I wouldn't be where I'm right now had anything
Speaker 9: been different.
Speaker 4: Well, for the record, I always liked you. I always
Speaker 4: thought you were underrated as an MC and you you're
Speaker 4: always liked. Your delivery was always really clean, like your
Speaker 4: Birse on self destruction times. Yeah, like it was still Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I always always thought you.
Speaker 1: Were my mom.
Speaker 9: Liked the sweater and the self destruction. So aj Lester
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty fifth Street back in the day.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 4: We think you for coming from the show. We're definitely
Speaker 4: going to have you back. Yeah, we gotta talk about
Speaker 4: the rebirth.
Speaker 1: Everything and stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but thank you man. I appreciate it all right, man,
Speaker 4: give it up for a great nice Uh just want
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, our return guest d Nice. We'll be back. Uh,
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