1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: is They call me Ben. We're joined as always with 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Controlled decond. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know a little bit of 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: a personal story that you guys would enjoy to open 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: up the show. Today, I was at our local bar 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: named an Averse of Creativity, the local uh IF. I 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: guess we give them a lot of business. And I 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: realized about twenty five minutes into what began as a 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: light conversation and became in a passion to be about 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Bigfoot and cryptozoology in general. It's like, Wow, yelling at 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: someone about cryptozoology in a bar is just very on 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: brand for me. It might be the most on brand 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: thing I've done in the past month. How what level 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: of yelling are we? Are we talking here? Just raised voices? 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: What corporate America would call a healthy conversation, would you 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't elevate it to the level of a rant. There 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: was no agro. Really, there were disagreements, but it was 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: it was a respectful exchange of intellectual perspectives. To be 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: fair that if you're in a bar, it's a little noisy, 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: so a certain level of voice raising is already acceptable 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: as like a baseline of communication. Yeah, but if the 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: music comes down and you're like, but the sheer surface 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: area of the forest, oh you were there, Yeah, it did. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: It did good to a thing where it got. It 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: did get to a point when he said, you know what, 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: let's go outside and we went outside to the front 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: porch area and continue talking. Beautiful. But this this got 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: me thinking that we have We've explored so many different 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: types of cryptids. Uh, in the past. You know, we've 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: explored bigfoot sasquatch, mothman, allegations of dinosaurs in parts of 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: what was that Western Africa. Yeah, we've talked about some 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: worms that were really creepy. I remember the Mongolian death worm. 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: I love that. Where there's like the ones from Tremors, 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: do you think they seem it's almost as if the 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: ones from Tremors are based somehow on that idea. Uh, 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: they're not as big as the worms from tremors, the 43 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: Mongolian death worms. What about the sandworms from beetlejuice or 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: or or from Doune. No, no, no, those those things 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: would be If the sandworms from Dune would be the 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: largest organisms to exist on Earth, if they were real, 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: be cool. I would if there was a big if 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: there was a bigger thing than a whale, I would 49 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: hope it was not a worm. But you know, we'd 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: all be in the spice business anyway. That's true. That's true, 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: we would. But we've since we've discussed the concept of 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: cryptozoology and earlier episodes, we don't need to go into 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: all of it today. We can just give you the 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: quick and dirty recap. So here are the facts. Cryptozoology. 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Something we very much enjoy on this show is the 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: study of and search for animals that are a lot 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: of times considered either extinct or legends. The the legendary 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: mochlemembe that we've talked about before. It's technically the mission 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: of a cryptozoologist, uh, to evaluate the possibility of the 60 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: existence of something. Some animals existence and so a lot 61 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: of times there's specialization that occurs here. Yeah, and that's 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I love that you point out the technically that's their mission, 63 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: because one of the criticisms that crypto aso all just get, 64 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and there are many, is that they are setting out 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: to prove something they already believe, you know what I mean, 66 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Like you sat out with an agenda, like I know 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: in my heart the the four tooth waffle snapper is 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: real and irrelic population exists in the Alps or the 69 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Pyrenees or what have you, and I'm going to prove 70 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: that I am correct, rather than prove the truth. A 71 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with the popularity of 72 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use one example here of something like squatching, 73 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: like going out squatching to find a sasquatch um, which 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: is you know it sounds silly, um, but it is. 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Is that what you call it? Really? You go out 76 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: of squatching squatching squatch? Pretty sure they're Discovery Channel shows 77 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: where people go squatching on the regular. So if you 78 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: are a fan of the search for Bigfoot or sasquatch 79 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: related creatures, let us know if that came organically from 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: your community, or if a producer at you know, Discovery 81 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: made it up. Who knows all I know is that 82 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: that I think that concept of someone going out to 83 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: prove the existence of something they already believe in maybe 84 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: is tied into that. Yeah. Yeah, and the animals that 85 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: they're looking for, the life forms have not been conclusively 86 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: proven to exist, are called cryptids, So crypto zoologists cryptids. 87 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: They're popular types of cryptids, the greatest hits we all, 88 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: we all know them, we love them, like the Elvis 89 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: of cryptids or the jay Z of Cryptid's the Who's 90 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: another musician? Nas? The Nas of cryptids? Uh, Cisco, Cisco? 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you a different genre? He did? He? Oh, now 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: he's canceled thet He's he's not quite famous enough to see. 93 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: It's more of a big name. The Alexander Hamilton's. Yeah, 94 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: he's the Dr franken For of cryptids. Is that the 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: right name from Rockey Horror Picture. Yeah, he's the Paul 96 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Decant of kryptids, Bigfoot, the Paul Simon. Even it would 97 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: and that would also apply to things like the Lockness 98 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: Monster in earlier days, the Jersey Devil, which would be 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: more of a gar Funcle of cryptids. I would argue out, 100 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I would think there are different bands we're going to 101 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: hit a lot of gar Funcle Cryptids today. In other words, 102 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: the lesser Paul actually uh told us he created this 103 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: file as B Team Cryptids. Yeah uh, And I wasn't joking. 104 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: He's a he's a very serious man. It's it's reminiscent 105 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: of our B Team Superpowers episode we did, right yeah, 106 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: which was still so interesting, like the fact that magnetic 107 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: people just had very frictive skin and they ended up 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: on the B Team. And they ended up on the 109 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: B Team, they were like the Great Lakes Avengers. For 110 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: all you comic fans out there, we already talked about 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: this on air, talked about that in the very episode. 112 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I believe Great Lakes Avengers. There's one guy's Doorman his power. 113 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I just have to bitch of this for anybody who 114 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: hasn't heard this, because I'm still fascinated by it. Doorman 115 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: has the amazing superpower, uh that allows him to when 116 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: he's standing next to a wall, people can walk through 117 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: him then and then through the wall. That's it. It 118 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: doesn't he can't teleport, he can't you know, be intangible. 119 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: He can just become a door. But he can become 120 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: a door and then go on the other side, right 121 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: so technically can go through walls. I don't know, he 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: could open up, he could walk up to the wall, 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: become a door and then exit on the other side. 124 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: That's just walking through walls. I guess it's like a 125 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: super convenience than a superpower. Is more of a super 126 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: helper than he is a superhero. He's kind of a 127 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: super furniture piece. Alright, superheroes aside. Yes, let's jump back 128 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: to ye cryptozoology, right, okay, So here's the strange thing 129 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: about cryptozoology. Although it is often called as pseudoscience, although uh, 130 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, most people in the academy capital a dismiss 131 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: it as pure malarkey and poppy cock, or in a 132 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: lot of people in the world of the layman see 133 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: it as at the very least controversial entertaining, maybe more 134 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: like reality TV junk food, you know what I mean, 135 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: rather than some serious pursuit. But the truth of the 136 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: matter is, the ugly truth of the matter for people 137 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: who hate cryptozoology, is that researchers have actually verified the 138 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: existence or rediscovery, we should say, of multiple real animals 139 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: that were once thought to be myths or legends or extinct, 140 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: and we've got famous examples of those, like the sea 141 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: kent Uh guerrillas were thought to be mythical for a 142 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, just to jump in that ceili Anth 143 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: was a fish that we thought for humanity, thought for 144 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: centuries that this thing had been extinct, and then it 145 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: just showed up again. And if nobody was looking then 146 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: it maybe maybe it would have just come back and 147 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have known. Still, but thank goodness for the 148 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: crypto zoologists. Yeah, and also we have to point out 149 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: in both of those cases, Uh, this discovery comes about 150 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: because Western Europeans finally saw these animals that the local 151 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: people in the region had known about four years. The 152 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: local community where the ceili canth was rediscovered said, first off, 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: they were very unimpressed with the fish, and I think 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: it was a big deal and their reaction was very 155 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: much like a big whoop because those things taste like trash. Yeah, 156 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do with it? On an on 157 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: an applicable level, who cares? Yeah? And uh, So we 158 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: know that cryptozoology has successes, but it also has some 159 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: baked in flaws, some things that make it very difficult 160 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: for let's say a zoologists to take crypto zoologists seriously. 161 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: And one of the biggest problems, uh, the most prevalent 162 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: problems in the field of crypto zoology is the potential 163 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: to misidentify some of these things. We see it time 164 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: and time. Mechanic can happen super easily most people. For example, 165 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I haven't really seen a bear in the wild, let 166 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: alone right up close. Uh. If you add to that 167 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the um, the adrenaline rush that comes with the initial 168 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: sighting of of said creature, and you know, the fallibility 169 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: of our memories as is imperfect human beings, despite what 170 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: we like to tell ourselves, right, um. And of course additionally, um, 171 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: you've got just hoaxes a plenty. Well, you know, and 172 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: this is a really great point here. Let's just say 173 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: we make an example out of it. The four of 174 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: us in this room plus you you're we're all walking 175 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: around in the woods. We've got all our gear to 176 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: find our squatch. We know, we we don't believe it's 177 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: out there, but we want to prove that it's out 178 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: there or not. And we happened upon something on a 179 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: ridge high above us. It seems to be brown, the 180 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: color that oh sasquatch might be that color, And I 181 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: can just see some it looks like fur up there 182 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: moving around. Um, just this example that we've given here 183 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: of of a bear. If we all observe this thing 184 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: and we're unable to get up there to get our 185 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: eyes on it, and it sounds like there's maybe a 186 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: weird noise occurring up near this location? What what what? 187 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: What? What What? What? What? What? Sort of those three stooges 188 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: kind of sound? Oh my god, So what is that? 189 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god? What is happening up there? It maybe 190 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: within us to at least a few of us would 191 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: probably believe, perhaps you, that that was a sasquatch, even 192 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: if we can't prove it was or not. But another 193 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: percentage of us would say, oh, that's just a bear. Guys, 194 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: we didn't see anything. Um. And that that, in I think, 195 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about here. Yeah, and there there's 196 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: another weird twist. We're in a immensely fascinating time for cryptozoology. 197 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen is the best time for crypto zoology since 198 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: the past few centuries, really since back in the days 199 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: when people were still exploring the edges of maps. And 200 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: it leads us to a weird twist. So the human 201 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: population is growing more importantly despite concentrating more and more 202 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: in cities and urban areas, our civilization is reaching out 203 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: to places it had never reached before. And when we 204 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: combine this with our weird obsession with making surveillance technology, 205 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: our species, weird obsession with making surveillance technology and monitoring 206 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: everything through satellites, those two factors mean that we are 207 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: more likely than ever before to discover previously unidentified or 208 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: lost organisms. And you can find these kind of inspiring list. Uh. 209 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: It's it's a sad irony because a lot of the 210 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: reasons we're discovering these these other creatures is because we 211 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: are in the process of their environment, obliterating them, creating 212 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: some sort of um, some sort of analog of genocide, right, 213 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: we are rendering them extinct. And this means, you know 214 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: that we might as we go forward, we might still 215 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: find stuff, you know what I mean, Like the colossal squid. 216 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: That's another cryptid that was proven to exist. And when 217 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: it comes to cryptids, it turns out there are way 218 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: more than big Foot, way way more. And we'll get 219 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: into specific examples after this word from our sponsor. Here's 220 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. We found examples of you know, 221 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: we we don't have every cryptid ever mentioned in this episode, 222 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: but we found some examples of some obscure ones that 223 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: seemed pretty interesting. So we're going to explore those and 224 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: then maybe talk a little bit about whether or not 225 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: they could be real pros and commons. Okay, so first off, 226 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: we've got okay, we practice this pronunciation off faris, see 227 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: if I can get it. The Incan yamba nailed it great, 228 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: thanks man um. The Incan yamba as a legendary cryptod 229 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: from Southern Africa that lives by waterfalls, uh and most 230 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: commonly is seen at a place called how It Falls 231 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: in South Africa, and it has a reputation for looking 232 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: like a snake except for the head, which, of course, 233 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: like you do, looks like a horse horse head that 234 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: seems like a very non functioning creature when it uses 235 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: weird horsehead to kind of drag itself along, you know, 236 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: use it like a weird foot. I don't know, you know, 237 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: because it's aquatic, it makes a little more sense just 238 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: because it would have to drag the head around. Do 239 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: you think it's amphibious though? Is the question? Let's let's 240 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: let's let's move forward here. So yeah, like you said, 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: and the incon Yamba is aquatic uh and lives in 242 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: lakes and near waterfalls, and to some, um, it's suspected 243 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: of being a species of giant eel rather than a 244 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: snake at all. And it's distinguished from similar creatures due 245 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: to its odd size, which is over twenty feet long. 246 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Yeah, that's too much feet long with a 247 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: giant horse looking head hanging out underneath a waterfall. First 248 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: of all, no, thank you. Well, well you know you 249 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: you hear a description of something like that, um, and 250 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: it makes you wonder how many times, how many sightings 251 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: have occurred to get that kind of um specific description 252 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: of something you know, um, like the horse or horse 253 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: shaped head is so specific to me? Well, now we've 254 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: heard of the water horse, right. It's a film about 255 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: a small NeSSI type creature. I just wonder if the 256 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: name you know what I mean, Like we've got a 257 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: sea horse, we've got which has like an elongated head 258 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: you with a snout and things like that. I want 259 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: to if it's based on that kind of maybe it 260 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: doesn't actually have as looked like a horse per se 261 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have like fur and literally a transplanted horsehead looks 262 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: more like, uh, you know, just have as more of 263 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: an elongated shape horse like yeah. Yes. So, according to 264 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: locals and people who believe in it, it's most active 265 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: during the summer months of uh. This leads some people 266 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: to believe that it is migratory or that it's been 267 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: around so long in the local culture that they believe 268 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: it as supernatural abilities causes seasonal storms to come. But 269 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: if we look at what this actually could be, if 270 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: this were a thing, then we could say, maybe it's 271 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: a large species of freshwater eel, like the Angila mosambika 272 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: or the Angila marmarata, both of those. This is the 273 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: problem with these These are large. These would freak you 274 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: out if you saw them in the wild, probably, but 275 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: they grow to about six ft instead of twenty So 276 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: is this giant version of an existing thing? Maybe the 277 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: problem is that we usually see We know that fish 278 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: and maritime animals can grow to unusual size, but we 279 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: usually only see them reach that size when they're out 280 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: in deep oceans. So would this lake be deep enough 281 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: that something could grow to like more than three times 282 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to grow tom It seems unlikely, But 283 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: there's something really fascinating in particular with this cryptod. It's 284 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: that it was found and has been found in cave 285 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: paintings from from native tribes. Is there are some tribes 286 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: within the Quazulu Natal province that um that had these 287 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: cave paintings of these things. Are allegedly of these things, 288 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: and supposedly they had some kind of supernatural power perhaps 289 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: like they could influence the weather maybe or would give 290 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: good or generally bad tidings or would bring bad tidings. 291 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: What what am I trying to say here? Yeah, it 292 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: would it would be um, it would be bad for 293 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: you to see one did generally it would be a 294 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: bad omen, bad omen. Yeah. Um, whoe betide those who 295 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: crossed the ika Yamba. Also, I have to I have 296 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: to admit that I zoned out just for a second 297 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: when you said a tribe called because I totally thought 298 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: you were going to say a tribe called Questions. Oh yeah, 299 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: I know, I almost did, almost said that, um, But no, 300 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: it's just it's that was actually several tribes within in 301 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: a province. That makes sense too, because this is a 302 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: very regionalized creature, right. Yes, there's a lot of these 303 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: come to us from the African continent because for a 304 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: long time. Uh, the members of the ivory Towers and 305 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: the academies had no idea what the they had new 306 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: very well polished idea of what the ecosystems or the 307 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: biomas were like, and they would just hear crazy stories 308 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: or rely on disreputable sources, or just legends, local legends 309 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: or just legends because according to some people, especially if 310 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: you're in the Congo area, you may run into gigantic 311 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: creatures undiscovered on the land as well. And that brings 312 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: us to something that I'm surely mispronouncing, the emmela in Toca. 313 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: It's apparently around the size of an African bush elephant. Cheeze. Uh, yeah, no, 314 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: it's true. The Ammela antoca is around the size of 315 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: an African bush elephant, which is an average of three 316 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: point two meters tall, weighing around six tons or thirteen thousand, 317 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: two undred and thirty pounds. It's brownish or gray in color, 318 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: sort of a gradation, with a very heavy tail and 319 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: body quite similar in shape and and look to that 320 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: of a rhinoceros, including one long horn that comes out 321 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: of its now. But here's the difference. It has four 322 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: short stump like legs and it's described as having no 323 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: frills or ridges around the neck, and the animal is 324 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: alleged to be semi aquatic and feed on malumbo or 325 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: other leafy plants. Um. The Emila and Tuca is claimed 326 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: to utter a very specific vocalization, described as a variously 327 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: as a snort, rumble, or growl. So what what the 328 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: heck could this thing be? Is it just sort of 329 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: like a weird pigmy kind of cousin of the rhinoceros? 330 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: Like what are we talking to here? Right? And why 331 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: is it? Is it a hippo with a horn because 332 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: it's semi aquatic. I hope it's a dinosaur whatever I 333 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: said it, I hope it's a large reptiles. Yeah, just 334 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: something that was left over or maybe an in between 335 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: somewhere along the evolutionary lines. Yeah, yeah, like that um 336 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: that guy we mentioned that previous episode. Dr Roy mackel, 337 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: one of the people who's searching for another similar did 338 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: called the uh membembe rightbe. He was looking for reports 339 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: of this creature and then he ran into reports of 340 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: Emila and Toka. You'll hear folks say that maybe it's 341 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: a relic population of a dinosaur, and maybe it's far 342 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: enough out in the wild, that it's just too expensive 343 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: to search for it, you know. But it's just it's 344 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: the same thing we've been talking about before. Where there 345 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: are reports that I believe it was in nineteen thirty 346 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: three when the West first I guess heard about this 347 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: because there was a writer rolling through town, J. E. Hughes, 348 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: and he wrote this thing called eighteen Years on Lake 349 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: bun Woolo Wailu, and um, he was talking about within 350 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: this book that apparently he was hanging out with some 351 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: tribesmen or he had heard stories at least of some 352 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: tribesmen who slaughtered something that kind of met this description, 353 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe this thing is actually real. And 354 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: then that then the guy you're talking about, um Roy 355 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: P what's his name, Roy, That dude was saying, you know, also, hey, 356 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: here's some eyewitness accounts going back to this thing, but 357 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: we don't have any pictures of it. We don't have 358 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: any you know, official pictures. We've got some bodies. Yeah, 359 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's the problem with this one because it's 360 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be slightly larger than an elephant, and it's 361 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: supposed to hunt elephants. Yeah, I mean, you would think 362 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: you would think that someone would have discovered this or 363 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: had a taxidermy version of it in the British Museum, 364 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, especially from the age of colonizers, right, do 365 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: you think something would exist or even um just what 366 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: maybe the horn they're talking about that one specific horn 367 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: or the skull or something. You'd you'd have something somewhere 368 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, but maybe not. You know, I don't 369 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: know how this is going to work in the edit. 370 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: And sorry about that poll. But we we took a 371 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: we we took a really quick break and uh no, 372 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: you you wouldn't got some water and it's true. Yeah, 373 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: and I'm now questioned fully and I stole a pumpkin. 374 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: It's right, No, we have a pumpkin. It's kind of 375 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: changed the vibe in the room, though, I know the better. Yeah, yeah, 376 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm feeling more hocus focused. Did you did you talk 377 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: about how this could be something of a of a 378 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: combo between a triceratops and a striasaurus, a striaca saurus. 379 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know that one. No, no, uh, that's 380 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: that's a good point, because we it behooves staff some specificity. 381 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: You're right, I just got excited and said dinosaur. But 382 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: saying dinosaur is like saying chair or cancer. It describes 383 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: a rough concept of a thing, but there's so many differences. 384 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: H No, With the Imili Polka, we also see the 385 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: we we see descriptions of it. The date back pretty far, 386 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: but not as far back as the descriptions of our 387 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: earlier super eel, the Incan Yamba. So the Incan Yamba 388 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: maybe an exaggerated story about something that was real. The 389 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: militant in Toca is a little harder to explain. Was 390 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: it somebody like in all the drawings that you see 391 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: of it? It looks reptilian right, all the depictions. Of course, 392 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, there are no photographs. So going to your 393 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: earlier point and well it it has a horn, it 394 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: has you know, rough skin, it's stuck covered with fur feathers. 395 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: So could they just be seeing a rhinoceros again in 396 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: the wild, panicking and freaking out? Because I would. This 397 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: is why I want to bring up, Yeah, when is 398 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the last time you guys saw with your eyes a rhinoceros? 399 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: A number of years ago? About six I guess I 400 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: must have seen one zood up somewhere, but I can't 401 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: recall which which zoo like really really picture in your 402 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: and the last time you saw rhinoceros, so that's six 403 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: years ago. Was that a zoo too, I wasn't just 404 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: like on the street. Yeah, those things are just odd. 405 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: They don't feel real, especially if you live anywhere near 406 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: a city, like anywhere, it doesn't matter where on Earth. 407 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: If you live near a city, you probably aren't going 408 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: to see a rhinoceros very often. True. Um, And if 409 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: if you just really behold one walking around, it's an 410 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: it's an odd experience. So I'm just saying, um, to 411 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: your point, Ben, what you were trying to build off 412 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: of what you were saying, to just behold one, um 413 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: may throw you off, especially if it's far enough in 414 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: the distance it looks even bigger than maybe it is. Yeah, 415 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: just compared to the surrounding foliage or whatever it's near. 416 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw one in the wild 417 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: to like most of us, since the majority of human 418 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: beings live in urban areas. Now that's true, that's a 419 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: change that happened or in our lifetime. That means the 420 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: majority of us will see, Uh, most of the wild 421 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: animals will see are going to be in the animal 422 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: jails that we call zoos, or at least in a 423 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: protected reserve somewhere. Okay, yes, which is better than his. 424 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: And that's not a deing on zoos and being a 425 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: little bit unfair to them, because zoos do tremendous conservation work, 426 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Zoo actually has, I think, is this 427 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: huge force in the community. I think they do do 428 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: good work as well, and they just expanded and they 429 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: have a savannah section now, which is you know, Oh, 430 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: I haven't been there. Yeah, I haven't either. It's down 431 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: by my house, so I've been seeing the construction going 432 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: on for quite a while, but I have not been 433 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: since it's been opened up, so it'd be interesting to checkout. 434 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I know some people are super anti zoo, which I understand, 435 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: but I also understand that many of these animals would 436 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: not be able to survive in the wild, and that's 437 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: why they bring them in and take good care of them. 438 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: In zoos, I don't know. We've talked about the poaching 439 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: problem that is severe rhinoceroses, and I mean take the 440 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: example of tigers. There are I think more tigers living 441 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: in captivity in Texas then there are in the wild 442 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: across the planet. Uh, And that's that's uh, that's from 443 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: a few years ago. Conservation efforts have up the tiger population. 444 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: Actually get notifications about tigers on Twitter. Nice doesn't always 445 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: just come up with some sports stuff, no I I uh, 446 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: right now, I'm following something called Tiger Tuesday, which I 447 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: didn't know as a thing, and it's where people just 448 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: point just post pictures of tigers. Oh wait, some sports 449 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: stuff creeps in. But I'm you know, I'm there for 450 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: the animals that should get better hobbies, guys. But so 451 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: we've been talking about large creatures in the African continent 452 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: and again, as you can tell, the big question for 453 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: us is how could something be this big and remain undiscovered. 454 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: But let's go, let's go across the water. Let's let's 455 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: explore the story of what of the cryptods. I'm surprised 456 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: we haven't done a full episode on. And that is 457 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: the thunderbird. Oh okay, the fabulous thunderbird. Yes, okay, so 458 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: quick story to get us into this. Driving around with 459 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: the wife and kid a couple of days ago and 460 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: we're just pulling up to a stop side and my 461 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: son looks out his window and just kind of says, uh, 462 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: what's that? And it was too huge. I believe there 463 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: were turkey vultures, so much larger birds than um any 464 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: of us are used to seeing just in the wild 465 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: at any time. I I couldn't say exactly how tall 466 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: they were, maybe three ft tall something to that effect. 467 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: Three ft is probably about about three feet tall. But 468 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: as my son is remarking about them, they put their 469 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: wings out and fly upwards. And seeing a bird of 470 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: that size up close was intense. And I don't I 471 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: mean no, you would have. You would have probably um 472 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: pepeed myself or at least jumped out and tried to 473 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: attack them just to get them away. No, I would 474 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: have pepeed myself and then possibly gone into an irreversible comma. 475 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: Oh oh, well, well we would have taken measures. I 476 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: don't think you understand of fear I have towards large birds. 477 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: Forget to forget about it. So here's the thing. Could 478 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, describe to us what it would be like 479 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: to see a thunderbird. I'd rather not, but I would 480 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: give on my best. I will give it my all. 481 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: So the popular hot spots for seeing these very large 482 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: bird like creatures would be in northern Canada and even Alaska. Ben, 483 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: did you happen to catch any while you were vacationing there. 484 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: And then in Alaska vacation, yeah, I saw a moose. 485 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: Uh and that was enough for me because those those things, 486 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: these are huge. There's a problem since we've got this 487 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: pumpkin here. There's a problem in Alaska for people trying 488 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: to celebrate Halloween because when they carve pumpkins and they 489 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: set them out on their porch, depending on where they live, 490 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: it's like candy to a moose can smell it and 491 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: they just come to it, and you can't stop them. 492 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: What you can do. But but yeah, I would I 493 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: would have freaked out if I saw something larger than 494 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: a moose, right absolutely, it would have been that. And 495 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: then you could even see them down in Central America. 496 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: But in Canada, um you actually there's there's like totem 497 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: poles that are in the shape of thunderbird. Is a 498 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: place called Thunderbird Park in Victoria, British Columbia, um where 499 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: you can see some of these very things um and 500 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: they are the stuff of legend um mythical creatures in fact, 501 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: sort of eagle like birds that are known for having 502 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: very powerful talents um and and very much present in 503 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Native American culture, various tribe in the American Midwest, and 504 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: as we said in Canada, the Sioux Nation UH, the 505 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Brule Sioux Um from South Dakota UM on a reservation 506 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: known as the Rosebud Reservation. UM has their own thunderbird 507 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: legend called the wakan yon tonka Um also known as 508 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: the Great Thunderbird. So, so if you're imagining these things, 509 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: it's like a large feathered pterodon or pterodactyl, like huge 510 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: and nol. I'm gonna show you a picture here, and 511 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: I want you to describe this picture because I have 512 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: a feeling if you came across this in real life, 513 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: you'd have a reaction. Look at this picture right here. 514 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: I've seen that it looks it looks like it looks 515 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: like a giant corvette kind of which a friend to 516 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: Ben's the world over um. Ben commands them and they 517 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: sort of flocked to him and they bring him shiny 518 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: things and it's it's a symbiotic relationship. But this thing 519 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: twice as tall as that, twice as tall as this 520 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: gentleman posing with this uh with this taxis are made cars. 521 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: It's not real. It's not real. It's it's in imagination. 522 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: It's an imagining of what a thunderbird how it's been described. Okay, 523 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: well it's it's the wingspan would probably be in the 524 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: neighborhood of I don't know, about twenty feet. That's that's correct. 525 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: And the thing is, the thunderbird evolved from the word 526 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 1: we use now has taken a meaning that evolved from 527 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: the original mythology. It is present in a lot of 528 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: ancient Native American mythology. You can find very old uh, 529 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: sandstone carvings. You can find paintings and caves and so on, 530 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: and that, you know, like the total poles you mentioned earlier, 531 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: but now and in the recent in the recent past, 532 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: the phrase thunderbird has been used to describe any large, flying, 533 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: unidentified organism in the US for the quote unquote New World. 534 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: So you'll hear people like, like, the common thing people 535 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: say is like, well, it it flew, but reports didn't 536 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: see it had feathers, so it's obviously a terra dactyl 537 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: or you know, a relic population of something like you know, 538 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: some creature like that, a flying reptile. But then you'll 539 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: hear other people say, no, it's uh, it's it's essentially 540 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: a massive eagle, it's big enough to take your children. 541 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: And they also say, but those terrastaurs did have feathers, dude, 542 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So this animal is, or this cryptid, i 543 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: should say, is almost too famous for our cryptids you've 544 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: never heard of lists. Yeah, I think you just wanted 545 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: to explore it a little more because growing up, if 546 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: you were ever one of those kids who read those 547 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: Time Life mystery boks, they all had names that were 548 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: kind of similar, like Mysteries of the Unknown or Unexplored 549 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: Unknown Mysteries baron normal, you know what I mean. They 550 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: would always trot out stories about the thunderbird, usually the 551 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: same one. There's a story about these guys who will 552 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: save it when we if we ever do an episode 553 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: just on the thunderbird. Is a story about these guys 554 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: who shoot and capture one and have the body so 555 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: Habeas corpus and all that. So they ate for a month. 556 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: Well they take it back. But then as we hear, 557 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, and like a lot of those stories stories 558 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: of giants from that time, stories about the c Techka 559 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: and all these other things, for some reason the proof 560 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: they had, the tangible proof disappeared, and you can see 561 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: those reproduction photos. Right, that may may be out and 562 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: out hoaxes, but we have to ask ourselves, if there 563 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: was such a large creature now, especially with the popularity 564 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: of aircraft, how on earth, how on earth have we 565 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: not seen it? This one. I would say it's possible 566 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: that it was. It was an ancestral memory of a 567 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: very large creature. But then again, the big birds that 568 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: we know about, at least in this continent, and from 569 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: what I understand, the big birds we know about the 570 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: we sea on this continent. As early humans were flightless, right, 571 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: they weren't like the big bird for his estime stream, Yeah, 572 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: pretty much. But mean he I don't know, he's got 573 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: a tempers aren't roll up. Yeah, he's got a dark, 574 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: real monster. And while we're on this subject of terrifying things, 575 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: let's stop for a moment for a word from our sponsors. 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We're back. 612 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: We're done with birds. We're going to explore something different. 613 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: So if you something even worse, well that depends worse 614 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: for me. Worse for me. What's what? Well, statistically worse 615 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: for people. It is the story of the jibab fopy 616 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: j apostrophe b A f O f I. The name 617 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: translates to great spider. This is also in the Congo. 618 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: It is exactly what it says on the tin, huge 619 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: spider with allegedly a six foot wide legspan. Yeah, six 620 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: ft and supposedly it's a fan of eating monkeys, birds, yes, 621 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: and even small antelopes and humans. Obviously, of course that's 622 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: to mention the besides their absurd bean as you would say, 623 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: cartoonish size, their brown um and and said to be 624 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: darker the older they get, which is interesting fact um 625 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: or no it's not call it a fact, let's call 626 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: it a detail. Um. And they have a large purple 627 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: mark on their abdomens, so it sounds like a poison boy. Right, 628 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: They've got like some sort of shape mark. Uh. And 629 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: they're black. Um. That doesn't sound good right, Nature's way 630 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: of saying, watch out back, t off. Uh. They're said 631 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: to live in a similar um to the smaller trapdoor 632 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: spider uh conditions um, where they burrow into the ground. Right, Yeah, 633 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: but that's terrifying. Can you imagine something that big that's 634 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: burrowed into a hole. You're like, oh, what's the what's 635 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: that whole? Yeah? It makes me. It makes me think 636 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: of the scene in The Hobbit, you know with the 637 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: giant spiders that the Sheilau and is that Hobbit or 638 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. It's the Hobbits the Hobbit. Yeah, 639 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean I remember it from the ranking not ranking bass, 640 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: the his ranking bass, the animated one with the weird 641 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: singing that great test you know. Yeah, that's there's a 642 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: part where the spiders get Bilbo and crew. It is, 643 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: it's both. It's definitely in the Hobbit. It's definitely in 644 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: the animated version of the hobby That's what I'm talking about. Okay, okay, okay. 645 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: I remember, you know he's traveling with the with the 646 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: with the dwarves and they get abducted by spiders and 647 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: the spider wraps them all up and it's a whole thing. Yeah. 648 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,479 Speaker 1: I remember that he's got the little the little sword sting. Yeah. 649 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking of the book. I'm thinking not 650 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: in the book. Did they take some license with that 651 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: scene in the book? In the book, Shelob the spider, 652 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: the evil uh spider is in Lord of the Red. 653 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct about that. And I don't think the 654 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: spider in the animated Hobbit had a name. It was 655 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: just creepy spiders. Um. But that's the one that made 656 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: the most indelible mark on me when I was Maybe 657 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: Tolkien had a thing for spiders, maybe he like they 658 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: were scary to him, and that's why I put it in. 659 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: He would have loved this jabab fophy. And also makes 660 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: me think of George R. Martin and the the game 661 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: Songs of Fire and Ice books talks about, you know, 662 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: the the winter that lasted you know years or whatever, 663 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: and the spiders the size of hounds is what they say, Well, 664 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: we do have a possible explanation for this, and it's 665 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: even it's just as creepy and it's worse yet. So 666 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, reports of this have been taking 667 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: place since the eighteenth century or since the nineteenth century, 668 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: and the Western Europeans found out about it in ninety 669 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: eight because people from Europe started claiming they had seen 670 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: these massive spiders, and given the politics of the time, 671 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: essentially what happened is the other Europeans said, okay, alright, well, 672 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: if someone who has the same color skin as us 673 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: said something, maybe we should believe them, which is just 674 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: the opposite of critical thinking, right. And because of these descriptions, 675 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: and because they matched so well, they were consistent from 676 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: different populations, they were burrowing trap spiders like you said. No. 677 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: Because of this, people treated uh descriptions of these animals 678 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: with a little more they give him a little more 679 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: credibility than they would have ordinarily. But there has been 680 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: one theory advanced about the jibbuf fofi that's as maybe 681 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: they're the misidentification of another type of animal that has 682 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: proven to exist, but it not in a way that 683 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: makes it better. It's called a coconut crab. It sounds delightful. 684 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: It sounds delicious, sounds like something you'd get like at 685 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian joint. Coconut crab, little pineapple dipping sauce on 686 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 1: the side, bring it on the spot. Well, just for 687 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: just for scale, guys, I'm gonna show you a picture 688 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: of how big the coconut crab is. That is a 689 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: full sized trash can. It's on a giant trash and 690 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: it looks sort of like a creepy lobster. Yeah, but 691 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: on land, just hanging out a lot of times you 692 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: see them rolling with coconuts for real, rolling around with 693 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: coconuts and they're huge. Yeah, they're the largest lands crab. 694 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: They also they make an impression, you know what I mean, 695 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: they're terrestrial hermit crabs and oh I'm sorry, excuse me. 696 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: Not just the largest land crab. They're the largest land 697 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: living arthropod overall in the world, and we think that 698 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: given the environment of our current age, they are at 699 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: the upper limit for what an animal with an exoskeleton 700 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 1: can grow to be. There as big as it gets 701 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: unless the environment literally changes. It makes total sense. And 702 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: this also gives us some arguments against the existence of 703 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,959 Speaker 1: this great spider, because spiders also have limits to how 704 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: big they can grow due to what they could structurally 705 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: support from where their bodies are. I won't stay designed 706 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: from the way their bodies happened, uh and uh or 707 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: the way their bodies evolved. Um. They also have a 708 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: respiratory system that limits what they can what they can 709 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: grow into. But did they exist in the past, yes, 710 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: or you know, oh, perhaps perhaps you're talking about But 711 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: the coconut crab exists. Yeah, that definitely, that's that's a 712 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: real thing. It's a real thing. Yeah, Matt, are you 713 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with coconut crabs? I think I am. And you know, 714 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: I think one coconut crab is fine. I'm okay with that. 715 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: But if if coconut crab has maybe her whole family 716 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: around a bunch, yeah, I don't think I'm okay with that. 717 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: You know, they they live probably over sixty years. Well, 718 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: so you could get one and maybe bond with it. Well, 719 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: that's the same with most a lot of crustaceans right now. 720 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: They have absurdly long lives, like the lob the Lobsters. 721 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: I believe that's correct. I learned that from the film 722 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: The Lobster because the Colin Carl's character Ferrell, he wanted 723 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: to become a lobster because it lives a very long time. Yeah, 724 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: that was That was such a mc sweeney's type of movie. Yeah, 725 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: I'm big, heavy New Yorker type stuff. Right, I'm checking 726 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: right now and see whether or not you can get 727 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: a coconut crab as a pet. It looks like they're 728 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: conservation status is undecided. The data is deficient, So let 729 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: us know if you live in an area where coconut 730 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: crab or around, or if you've seen one, whether you 731 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: think it could be mistaken for a malicious spider. This 732 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: is my favorite, just the name alone. Oh, we're removing on. 733 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: I think we should. All right, let's do it. We 734 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: don't have to. You wanna talk more about crabs? No, no, 735 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: just take us there. Okay, I'm gonna take you all 736 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: in the format. I'm gonna take you there with two 737 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: or to my friends rhinoceros dolphin. Finally, boom, that's what 738 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: I say. So we've been asking for this whole time. 739 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: It's like a crypted whale with two dorsal fins and 740 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty off the coast of uh the Sandwich Islands, 741 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: which is a thing um and New South Wales. Gen 742 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 1: Rene Constant Qui, who was a zoologist and anatomist um 743 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: in addition to his pal Joseph Paul Jama, who was 744 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: a naturalist um, spotted what seemed to be never before 745 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: seeing species of dolphins. And forgive me French folks, we 746 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: don't have the benefit of casey pegram on the case 747 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: with us today. But coi or quai koi? What do 748 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: you think ben I would go? Quoi que you o 749 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: y I would go because it's fun to say, I'm 750 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: gonna say. Jamma chose to call this this new underwater 751 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: pal um the rhinoceros dolphins. It's an official name, being 752 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: Delphine's Rhinoceros. There have been a total of nine rhinoceros 753 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: dolphins cited swimming side by side um in in a 754 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: pod in the Atlantic Ocean. That's the thing. Yes, So 755 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: these are credible witnesses who saw multiple instances of what 756 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: appears to be a different they're up to that point, 757 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: undiscovered creature, and they were probably, like a lot of 758 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: us listening now, filled with an immense sense of relief 759 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: because you know, I think we can all agree the crappiest, 760 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: most irritating, depressing thing about dolphins and rhinoceros is that 761 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: they're not lumped together in one species yet. You know, 762 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: you see a dolphin and you're just like, um, fifty there, 763 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: but I cannot approve of this. I need I need 764 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,919 Speaker 1: that fifty of rhino. Oh yeah, well, and that's that's 765 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: the whole thing with these um, these rhin rhinocerous dolphins, 766 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: is that you know, you've got these experts viewing this 767 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: this pod essentially right hanging out there. They're used to 768 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: seeing perhaps whales, perhaps dolphins, perhaps killer whales, and they 769 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: see these things and they noticed a couple of things 770 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: are different. Right. It's not that it's not the same 771 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: coloration as a lot of dolphins that they've observed in 772 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: the past. These are I think they're white and black, 773 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,320 Speaker 1: like the white spots on a like a black body. Yea, um, 774 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: similar to a killer whale, but or at least in 775 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: the two colors. And they noticed that rather than a 776 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: single dorsal fin like you'd see on any dolphin, uh, 777 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: they had to right, Yeah, one curved fin near the 778 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: head and one curved fin on the back. Uh. And 779 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: it's that second fin is placed a little further back 780 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: then where a dolphins fin would normally be. And they 781 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: also thought from what they could see that the pectoral 782 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: fins were larger than average. And do we say it's 783 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: nine ft long, No, we didn't. It's fine feet long, 784 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: two fifty pounds. But although that's that's that's a big boy. 785 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: That's a big ocean boy. And it's also an estimation 786 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: from being on a ship sailing these but you know 787 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: with not with a sample size of nine. Yes, and 788 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: we're having experts. So this so this is, uh, this 789 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: interesting case because if there are any undiscovered cryptids or 790 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: large creatures as we have seen, everything we know tells 791 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: us that they are going, they're most likely to be 792 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 1: discovered in the ocean. And now so now we know 793 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: that just because of that fact, that fact alone, this 794 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: one has a little more likelihood of being a true 795 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: case of of an unapprehended or undocumented, unproven cryptid that 796 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: is a real animal. But we have to ask ourselves 797 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: what can it be? We have to play, you know, 798 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: in the stick in the mud police here. First, it 799 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: could just be a group of dolphins that had a deformity, 800 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They were the dolphin version 801 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: of an inbred hillbilly clan, which I know it sounds dismissive, 802 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,479 Speaker 1: but what we're saying is they could have just been 803 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: a a group or a pod that over time had 804 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: passed a mutation onto one another. Okay, okay, okay, Well 805 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: there's a there's another idea here that possibly it was 806 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: a different kind of whale that they saw that actually 807 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: looks a little bit like a dolphin called the blains 808 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: Ville's what is it, Blaine Blaineville's beaked whale b E 809 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: A K E D whale. Doesn't that sound like some 810 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: you have buy it a grocery store? Yeah, exactly, Blain Well, 811 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: you can. You can look up pictures of these. It's 812 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: a very different looking whale, and that dorsal fin is pushed. 813 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: It looks like it's pushed way back towards the tail, 814 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: and they've got horns to right. Yeah, it's it's a 815 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,720 Speaker 1: very different creature, and if you had never seen one before, 816 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: and let's say eighteen twenty um, maybe you believe it's 817 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,280 Speaker 1: just a different looking creature. One other theory was proposed 818 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: by marine biologist Richard Ellis. He said, what if the 819 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: what was called the rhinoceros dolphin was just a normal 820 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: dolphin that had a sucker fish or romora attached to 821 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: its head. Again, the problem of observation. But either way, 822 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: this feels like so they saw the two creatures like 823 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 1: together in concert and thought it was a super creature. Yeah, 824 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,959 Speaker 1: it's like maybe they saw it from far enough away 825 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: that they musstook the romora for being another fin. But 826 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 1: there's a problem with that because they saw nine different Again, 827 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: the thing here is they saw nine different instances of this. Uh, 828 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: so this would mean this would mean we have to 829 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: ask ourselves what is more likely. Is it more likely 830 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: that nine separate romura matched up with nine separate dolphins 831 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,800 Speaker 1: and attached themselves to the same position on their body, 832 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: or is it more likely that there is a you know, 833 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,240 Speaker 1: a different explanation that they were supposed to have these fins? 834 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: Still that gives this is probably our strongest example of 835 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: something that might actually be a real thing, unless, of course, 836 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: you're into the idea of an enormous octopus. Okay, it's 837 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: been a journey of discovery, as it not, gentleman. Um. Well, next, 838 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: we're going to continue that into into the into the 839 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: depths with the Carro come away. Uh. The native I 840 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: Knew people of Japan have long believed that Volcano Bay, 841 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: which is off the coast of Hokkaido, has a population 842 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: of giant octopus is called a carro come away, and 843 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: they have been sighted supposedly, purportedly rather um for for 844 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: many many years. Yeah. Yeah. There was a British missionary's 845 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: name was John Bachelor. He was working in the area 846 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds and he wrote down a 847 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: sighting in a book he had called The I Knew 848 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: and Their Folklore, And he said that a great sea 849 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: monster with large staring eyes had attacked three local fishermen 850 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: and their boat. So imagine those old woodcuts of a 851 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: boat sailing and then a leviathan like creature wrapping its 852 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: tentacles around the mass of the plane. It was like that. 853 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: And he said the monster was round in shape and 854 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,399 Speaker 1: emitted a dark fluid and noxious odor. The three men 855 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,399 Speaker 1: fled in dismay, Not so much indeed for fear, they say, 856 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: but on account of the dreadful smell, however that may 857 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: have been. They were so scared that the next morning 858 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: all three refused to get up and eat. They were 859 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: lying in their beds, pale and trembling. So the Japanese 860 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,439 Speaker 1: story giant octopus, I feel like that could absolutely be true. Yeah, 861 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,720 Speaker 1: there's I mean, just now that we know the giant 862 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: squids exist, I feel like the giant octopus is just waiting. 863 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,920 Speaker 1: It's just waiting to be found. It really wants to wait. Wait. 864 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: There was a sighting recently, there was a there there 865 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,879 Speaker 1: there was some some reports about not too long ago, 866 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: about some giants, giant squids at the very least, Yeah, squids, 867 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: I think that's what we're talking about, the colossal squid. Yeah, 868 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,359 Speaker 1: but an octopus would be a little bit different and uh, 869 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: I think a little more exciting because they're so intelligent. 870 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: Squids are are relatively intelligent, aren't they cephalopods as well 871 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: or not? Yeah, but they're not like the octopus is 872 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: the brain, the brains of their hist game of the 873 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 1: tentacles sea dwellers exactly. What if they leaked up with 874 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: rhinoceros dolphins, that'd be some stuff that'd be hot. The 875 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: Hot mix tape, the Hot mixtape. Yeah, that's a good look. Uh. 876 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: And now we're going to draw to a close because 877 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,399 Speaker 1: we've we've touched on some that will hopefully be new. 878 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,360 Speaker 1: I know that we've I know that I've definitely mispronounced 879 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 1: some of these things because they don't speak some of 880 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 1: these languages. But we hope this was enjoyable. Nonetheless, we 881 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: want to throw it to you. How likely is it 882 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: that any of these creatures we we just explored might exist? 883 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: We can also you know, there's a whole list of 884 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: cryptids we didn't name, chupacabra, mantis man, skunk ape, swamp ape, 885 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: Giglioli's whale, which just sounds like fun. It's a giggle 886 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: inducing that's for damn. So do you think any of 887 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: these creatures could be real animals? More importantly, does your 888 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,320 Speaker 1: local community or region have a cryptod of its own? 889 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 1: Is it something that people like use as a joke 890 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 1: or is it something that they take seriously? Tell us 891 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,479 Speaker 1: about it. You can find us all over the internet. Yeah, 892 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: do you live in Maryland tell us about the goat 893 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,959 Speaker 1: man allegedly and Prince George's county there is the goat man, 894 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: and I want to know about it. Every time you 895 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: hear goat man. For some reason, I have a parody 896 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: song of Sound Garden spoon Man playing in my head. 897 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 1: But it's just growing together with goah. 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