WEBVTT - Mahmoud Khalil's Arrest and What Comes Next 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.120 Cool media. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.639 It could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, still banned from 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:15.040 one of the top fifteen highest endowment universities in the country, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.080 but I am not banned from this podcast. Today, I'm 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:23.080 joined by Robert Evans and James Stout to discuss the 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:29.040 very troubling news of students having their visas and or 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:34.120 green cards revoked by US customs in relation to anti 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.080 genocide protests. James, this is something that you've been putting 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:39.520 together a piece on for a while. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.159 Yeah, repeatedly trying to warn people of Cassandra like to 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:44.800 no avail. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.560 Yes, yes, I do feel like we kind of saw 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.599 this one coming a little bit, but that doesn't mean 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:55.240 it's not bad. And specifically, the case we're talking about today, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.520 I think is particularly egregious because it doesn't actually involve 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:00.560 somewhat visa. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:00.880 Right. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.959 So I've been working for a while on people who 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:10.520 actually under the Biden administration were potentially facing deportation, right. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.560 But the material difference between that and now is that 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.920 those people were facing deportation because the university removed their 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.640 visas or the university removed them from the university, and 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.240 therefore their visa was no longer valid. In this case, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.440 it seems that the order came directly from the State 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.600 Department to deport a guy whose name is Mahoud Khalil. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:40.240 So Khalil was a prominent activist in the encampment at 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.440 Columbia right. But what's notable is that and the events here, 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.520 as best we can tell, went down like this. Referencing 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.120 an ap article here that will link in the show notes, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.560 ICE agents came to his front door, which is on 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.840 university property, and told him that they were revoking his 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.680 student visa and therefore he was being deported. He then 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.280 informed them that he didn't have a student visa, that 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.079 he was a legal permanent resident right colloquially referred to 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.400 as a Green card holder. They then told him or 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.239 his lawyer. At some point he got his lawyer on 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.160 the phone and was communicating with them through his lawyer. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.800 They then told the lawyer that they were revoking the 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.160 green card, and at some point it's reported that they 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.240 attempted to detain his wife, who was a US citizen, which. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.240 Of course is not a thing that ICE can do. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.960 So the difference between a legal permanent resident and a 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.760 student visa is like the place I want to start 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.960 this because they are materially very different. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:39.200 Right. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.840 Student visas are pretty fragile. People lose their student visas 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.560 for lots of things all the time. A green card 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.680 is a much higher barrier, and the revocation of his 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.320 green card. We spoke a lot before this episode about 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.680 like exactly kind of where this comes from in Trump's 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:02.120 missmash of executive orders and speeches, right because after he 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:07.840 was detained, we saw Trump truthing about specifically using the 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:08.760 word green card. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.000 We also saw Mark A. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.239 Rubio tweeting about removing green cards, right, Rubio being a 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.480 Secretary of State. Normally the green card wouldn't be a 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:21.000 state department thing. Now, it seems the most likely course 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.200 of events, as far as we can tell from what 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.720 we know right now and today is the tenth of March, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.919 is that Ice came thinking he had a student visa. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.440 It's not particularly uncommon for ice raids to not have 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.800 all the information on someone. From what I understand, I mean, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.000 this is just a police thing. Yes, it's not just 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.360 like the cops who are doing raids very often don't 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.240 have all or accurate information. Yeah, ice in particularly very 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.080 often don't have a judicial warrant. They have a warrant 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.200 that they made they assign themselves, which is a different thing. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.680 They're supposed to require warrant to get onto Columbia University campus, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.600 but as of now, I don't believe Columbia have clarified 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.760 that they did have, and I think the apology also 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.560 allows for them to allow ice on to cas in 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.320 like exigent circumstances. So we'll have to see what exactly 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.200 that warrant was for why exactly Columbia allowed them onto campus. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.000 So it seems like they came a temperature evoke this 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 guy student visa, realized you didn't have a student visa, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.680 detained him anyway, and then kind of exposed facto. The 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.800 these tweets and statements came out. But Garrison, you found 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.600 some stuff in. I mean, Trump has made previous statements 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.279 that are kind of unclear, right. He uses the word 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:29.400 aliens a lot. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.560 Yeah, So we've been trying to kind of figure out 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.080 the exact details of like what is going on, what 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.240 justification they have for doing this, and how we can 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.800 like extrapolate this out to larger trends because reporting like 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:48.200 legal residents for college protests is pretty insane and Also 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.440 the rhetoric coming out of the White House and like 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.239 the White House like social media accounts around this incident 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.719 is like extremely worrying, Like the way they're basically putting 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:01.159 up like wanted posters for protesters, and in general, the 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.640 way that the White House account has been doing this 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.440 like own the libs, like mimetic nationalism that the past 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.640 few weeks has been has been really upsetting. And this 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.599 has continued around this issue, and I think it is 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.480 worth focusing on this as like a specific escalation because 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.360 you had people like mamad U Tall, who I think 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:25.039 Cornell tried to revoke their student visa and then he's 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.080 in some way negotiated back into that to stay on. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:35.040 The interim provost John Ceciliano eventually ruled in Tall's favor 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.680 so he did not end up getting deported last year. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.159 And now this new development in relation to the Columbia 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.680 protests is a significant escalation. Yeah, because not only is 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.880 this not just like the university revoking n F one, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.560 which they do have the you know, authority to, this 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.120 is like coming directly from the Trump administration where they're 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.880 they're going after specific students without the involvement of the 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.960 university and students who maybe legal permanent residents. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:02.520 Yeah. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.160 Garrison found a fact sheet on white House dot gov 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.839 where Trump is quoted as saying, quote to all resident 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.839 aliens who joined in the pro Jahadest protests, we put 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.760 you on notice. Come twenty twenty five, we will find 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:14.839 you and we will deport you. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.600 And that would seem to include the legal permanent residence. Yes, yeah, right, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.880 like resident alien is attacked status. But again, like, I 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.919 think it's quite possible that the vagueness in the language 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.320 is deliberate, not necessarily from Trump, but there are other 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:34.120 people within the Trump cabinet who might seek to use 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.760 that vagueness for things like this, right, like who might 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:37.800 see that as a benefit. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.080 Yeah. Well, and you've seen that with other things, like 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.680 with like with Rubio's State Department directives on trans people 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.640 right now, where they keep the language intentionally vague. They 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.440 leave the enforcement up to like individual actors, and then 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.440 they can eventually like figure out the logistics like in 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.800 court once people be like oh no, this is illegal. Yeah, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.960 so like, yeah, it is vague because they want to 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.719 test the actual like full authority of their power. But 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.200 I think the specific fact sheet which is like a 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:10.400 sister article towards this executive order says like James was saying, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.520 to all the resident aliens who joined in the pro 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.640 gihatist protests, we put you on notice. Come twenty twenty five, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.120 we will find you and we will deport you. I 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.040 will also quickly cancel the student visas of all Hamas 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.040 sympathizers on college campuses which have been infested with radicalism 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.400 like never before. So there you have him saying both 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.560 resident aliens, which we can infer probably refers to Green cardholders, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.760 as well as student visas. So these are two separate 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.880 things that he has specifically named as going after. And 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.679 now you see more direction from Rubio after this arrest 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.200 that happened on Monday. You see more direction from Rubio 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.760 and the State Department in like specifically naming legal permanent 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.600 residents as targets for removal and targets for ice actions, 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.960 which is not something that is extremely common. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.360 Yeah. Where I've seen it before is like in cases 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.800 of material support for terrorism, which but that has quite 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.200 a high bar of proof, right, that's like a listed 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:15.160 organization proving a material ie financial or physical support, right, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.760 like in kind donations like I've written about a guy 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.080 who is providing material aid to the Islamic state called 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.840 Siki Romy's Hodge sending stuff from bass pro actually like 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.400 thermal scopes and hunting scopes and things like that. But 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.040 that has a much higher bar than this, which we 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.160 will see, you know, because we have a legal permanent 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.240 resident here and they're seeking to revoke that. I imagine we 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.120 will see a court case and we will see exactly 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.720 the justification for revoking his green card in that court case. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.280 That will be some time in the future. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.160 Let's go on a quick break and we will come 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.800 back to discuss some more of the details on what 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:53.079 Mark Rubio is actually saying and where this could all 0:08:53.160 --> 0:09:05.959 end up. Okay, we are back. I would like to 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.640 talk about specifically some of the rhetoric that Rubio has 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.480 been using since this arrest and a little bit of 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.960 what he was saying before. Like we were saying before 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.840 the break, some of this kind of vague language can 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.920 kind of be used to their advantage, and this is 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.440 certainly like riffing off of very vague language that Trump 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.320 would use on the campaign trail right where he would 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.680 talk about wanting to jail or deport protesters like in general, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.120 regardless if they're student visa holders, green card holders, or 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.040 just US citizens. Right, Like, Trump has made statements about 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.600 wanting to do all of that, and campaigns like off 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.320 the cuff statements and actual like government policy are two 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.680 different things, and right now like they're trying to figure 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.160 out where the line between that is, like how much 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.240 of this rhetoric can be turned into government policy. And 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.560 we mentioned like the fact sheet from the executive order 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.000 that I believe was signed in January, which is you know, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.040 to quote unquote combat anti Semitism. And then like last week, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.520 so before this arrest happened, we had a post from 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.840 the Secretary Mark Rubio Twitter account official quote, those who 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.840 support designated terrorist organizations including hamas threaten our national security. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.800 The United States has zero tolerance for foreign visitors who 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.280 support terrorists. Violators of US law, including international students, face 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:26.480 visa denial or revocation and deportation unquote. So that one 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:31.160 specifically focuses, I would say, pretty firmly on people who 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.559 have student visas. Right, he names like visitors, And then 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.400 after the arrest happened, he posted a different statement on 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.560 his own personal account, quote, we will be revoking the 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.840 visas and or green cards of HAMAS supporters in America 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.480 so that they can be deported unquote, sharing an ap article. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.840 And then the Homeland Security dhs gov account posted on 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.720 March nine, twenty twenty five, and supported President Trump's executive 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.920 orders prohibiting anti Semitism, and in coordination with the Department 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.840 of State, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Mahmud Khalil, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.760 a former Columbia University graduate student. Khalil led activities aligned 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.240 to HAMAS, a designated terrorist organization ICE in the Department 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.960 of State are committed to enforcing President Trump's executive orders 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:24.040 and protecting US national security unquote. And there's now been 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.000 a flurry of posts from both the White House account 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.920 and DTESS accounts basically posting like a picture of this 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.959 person saying that he's aligned with HAMAS in celebration, almost 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.000 like styled after a wanted poster, but instead of just 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.079 reads like arrested, and that is like the that's the 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.959 rhetoric that like they're using right now on their official accounts, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.760 something that like James I think noted, it's it's important 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.360 to like think about if ICE was just freestyling this action, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.920 or if there was a directive beforehand to go after 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.080 green cards specifically, right, And it seems like at least 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.040 for the people like doing the raid, they did not 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.880 care nor did they like. No, they weren't informed. They 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.360 just were told to go after this person. Yeah, from 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.719 someone higher up, right, and that that very well could 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.320 be Rubio. I mean a lot of DHS is being 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.960 ran by Steven Miller right now. A lot of this 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.480 feels very Miller esque. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.360 Yeah, we got an update as of the time of recording. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.560 I've just discovered that Mahud Khalil's lawyers filed a lawsuit 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.080 challenging gives detention, and a judge in New York City, 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.199 federal judge obviously or that Khalil shouldn't be deported while 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.439 that court then considered his case. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.040 Yes, I was going to bring that up so that also, like. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.920 His case will be considered in New York City, which 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.080 is probably good for him as opposed to a more 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.960 conservative jurisdiction elsewhere. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.960 Right, Totally like this happening in Texas, Like in all 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.839 of those districts where Elon Musk is trying to set 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.440 up his corporations, because there's friendly judges, this will be 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:53.920 handled quite differently. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.320 Right, Yeah, this is something migrance I speak to are 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.360 at least aware of sometimes that they don't want to 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.679 enter into Texas because the fifth it is seen as 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.920 less favorable to them, they'd say, the ninth circuit where 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.280 they would be advanted in California. I'm sort of surprised 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.040 if it is a Miller joint that it isn't someone 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:09.640 like U. T. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.480 Austin or somewhere like that. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.520 Now they're going directly after this individual in part because 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.719 he's somebody that a lot of folks who might otherwise 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.920 be like up in arms about a move like this, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.560 would say because of some of his connections and some 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.200 of the things he said in the past. Well he's 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.840 you know, supported groups that are really bad. Like I 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.840 think they're really trying to find the first case is 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.679 they want someone that they can have a lot of 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.280 like liberals off from being too scared to support because 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.480 he said some things that like they don't want to 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.000 have attached to them. Like that's that's how they're and 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.400 they're going to keep pushing that further and further each time. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.600 You find some folks who you can scare off a 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.600 lot of maybe what you might call like their otherwise 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.199 natural support base because you can point out this thing 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.080 or that thing they did that was that was not 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.760 great acou types like when I'm not I'm not insulting 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.439 or trying to say bad things about this guy. I'm 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.040 just saying, like, that's that's the tactic here, right, to 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.000 try to paint this guy as like, well, this guy 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.560 did this, bat you do really want to support that, 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.640 which is why you have to take an incredibly firm 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.440 stance that no, the government doesn't get to do this, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.120 the state department doesn't get to do this. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.880 Yeah, regardless of of any things that this person may have. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.080 Said, that First Amendment is for everyone. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.280 I don't care what he said, you know, so, Like, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.680 it's also worth noting that Columbia, specifically the Intercept is 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.480 reported on this that there is a WhatsApp group called 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:34.520 Columbia Alumnife Israel, and they have been explicitly trying to 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.880 identify the students and to call for like prosecution and 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.080 I guess persecution of these students. Like and I think 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.760 the Columbia encampment was particularly objectionable to a lot of people, 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.080 and that was kind of the one that got a 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.720 lot of the national focus in the reporting, right, So 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.040 it's understandable that that's where they went for this. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.800 Yeah, it's it's high visibility. And I think it's also 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.080 very likely that they're just looking to have a test 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.040 case for this to see if they can create legal 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.040 precedent for removing people's green cards for you know, anti 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.760 genocide protests, right, And the specific details of that will 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 become more and more or less important based on like 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.200 the results of the case, as long as they can 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.480 create that president right and specifically like the president for 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.000 revoking a green card, something that's pretty substantial. Yeah, they 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.080 want something that's like, you know, in their mind, like 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.080 the most favorable towards their outcome. So I mean that's 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.480 part of what they're trying to do with this specific case. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.920 And like it is, it is very much in line 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.960 with with Trump's campaign rhetoric and versions of what Trump 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.080 has said before. And now you're seeing someone like Rubio, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.760 someone who's you know a little bit more policy minded, 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.400 taking taking steps towards this outcome. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.600 Yeah, which I think is you know, like the other 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.120 thing they didn't get to do, I guess is that 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.960 they weren't able to like deport the guy at hyper speed, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.520 which they have been joining with some people. Yeah, he 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.880 was detained in New York and then moved to Louisiana. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.560 People were very upset this, rightly, because it's removing him 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.960 from easy access to his lawyer and to his family 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.080 and to his eight month pregnant wife. Right that's all 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.520 things that shouldn't be done. It's also something that a 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.600 Biden administration did routinely. We have other episodes on this actually, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.680 especially in San Diego, where we have some funding that 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.880 allows people who are detained access to legal assistance. It 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.440 has been very common for those migrants to be then 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.480 moved to Texas. I've seen it with migrants I've met 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.240 at the border, and I've looked for them in the 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.080 ICE Immigrant Detention locator and they've been moved to Texas. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.120 It's not uncommon at all. So it's bad that it happened. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.920 It was bad that it happened under Biden. It's still 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.880 bad that it's happening now. We shouldn't have let it 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.600 happen then, we shouldn't support it when it happens now. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.520 I think before we go and break again, I do 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.640 want to kind of close this section by talking about 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.479 like they don't necessarily need an executive order specifically allowing 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.040 Trump to do this, or like Trump doesn't need to 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.840 make an executive order like explicitly for this based on 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.240 immigration deportation law, Like there will be an argument made 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.920 in like in court that that they have justification for 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.600 this action already. This is something that I've already been 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.840 through when I immigrated to the country and like did 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.159 like my citizenship interview. Right, like you, if you have 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.520 discussed in the past, you know, something that can be 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.280 construed as support for a terrorist organization that does disqualify 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.679 you from US citizenship and right, So there's gonna be 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.000 a lot of arguments like around like specifically these terrorism 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.280 statutes that will make someone like this a subject for removal. Yeah, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.520 and like that that's going to be like the angle 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.200 in which they they go about this, And I think 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.560 that's like worth keeping in mind. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.600 I also think it's worth because and I don't want 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.359 to make this because a lot of people online have 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.120 this shouldn't be our immediate primary concern. Our immediately primary 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.120 concern should be mood and the other people like him 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.200 who are in situations like be targeted. But I don't 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.600 think it's unreasonable to say that, like if they get 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.440 away with this at some point that we'll start saying 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.520 like look, at least for Palestine government description in support 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.440 for any group that the government considers a terrorist. It 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.800 doesn't matter if you were born here as a citizen. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.159 You know, we can start like that is a potential 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.040 in state of this, which is again not should not 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.439 be on your front burner. It should be the people 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.199 being targeted right now. But also an awareness of like 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.560 this is part of why you have to draw such 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.840 a hard line. Like if if the situation was reversed 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.600 and this where a democratic administration coming after an anti 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.639 vaccine student activist who is a permanent legal resident, it 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.880 would be wrong for them to disappear them, right, Like 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.359 that has to be like where the line is drawn. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.359 Yeah, yeah, the state should not have this ability, Like 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.359 we should not let them get away with this, and 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.200 we should put as much support and legal support into 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.280 preventing this from happening. I really can't say which way 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.600 this will go, Like immigration law is the one of 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.159 the most like headache conducing things I've ever had to 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.320 go through in my entire life. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.760 Oh, Like, he will be spending a lot of money 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:56.719 on immigration lawyers. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.879 Now, yeah, also be really clear, I'm not equating support 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.840 for Palestine to being anti vax I'm just saying, like, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.160 you know, if this was like a shitty guy, right, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:05.080 it would still be wrong. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.160 People. It was something that we like to like laugh 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.840 at for getting measles in Texas, disappearing people bare. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.760 If you thought Russia was doing anti fascism in Ukraine, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.720 it would still be important, right, right, you know, to 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.440 do this, And should we take a break and come 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:35.600 back and discuss some more, Yes, yes, I wanted to 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.080 give a little bit of background here some other stuff 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.680 that I've been looking into. So in the fifth of February, 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.440 Attorney General Pam Bondai issued a series of memos. One 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.800 of these was establishing a quote October seventh task for 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.440 so I'm going to quote from it here to prioritize 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.400 seeking justice for victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.400 terrorist attack in Israel, addressing the ongoing threat post by 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.800 Hamas and its affiliates, and combating anti s submitting acts 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.359 of terrorism, and civil rights violations in the homeland. It 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.720 then lifts several action items for the FBI. Right among 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.920 them is investigating and prosecuting acts of terrorism, anti Semitic 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.199 civil rights violations, and other federal crimes committed by her 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.480 MASS supporters in the United States, including on college campuses. 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.680 The final point is quote supporting efforts by the Israeli 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.960 government Department of Defense and Department of Treasury to pursue 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.840 non criminal responses to the October seventh attack and other 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:33.119 terrorist activities by her MASS. There's a couple of things 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.640 that are obviously non criminal responses. Could include deportation, right 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.399 like if the person that is not being accused of 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.199 a crime but nonethless having their visa evoked. Also that 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.480 the idea of cooperating with a foreign government, a government 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.600 which is currently committing a genocide, potentially against US citizens 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:55.000 or US residents, is quite concerning. It's especially concerning when 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.240 we talk about that Trump executive. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.640 Order that we've already discussed. Right. 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.960 One of the parts of that Trump executive order that 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.359 I noticed that I haven't seen any reporting on was 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.160 the quote infantry and analysis of all the Title six 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.600 complaints sort of ministrative actions including in K through twelve 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:17.520 education related to anti Semitism pending or resolved after October seventh, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:18.600 twenty twenty three. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.880 Can you explain what Title six is? 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:21.600 Yeah? 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.679