WEBVTT - Bryce Wilson 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:01.880 Hey, y'all. 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.800 Is Lauren Rosa with the latest with Laurna Rosa on 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.920 Black Effects and I cannot wait to see you guys 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.440 at the fourth Annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. Okay, we're 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.440 coming back to Atlanta, Georgia on Saturday, April twenty fifth 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.079 at Palman Yard and it's hosted by me alongside DJ 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.040 MV and charlottagnea God. We got Drink Chance of Noriega 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.639 and DJAFM. 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He's the reason I'm 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:49.200 a video ho the man trying to himself. He's been 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.720 making y'all high for a long time, and hopefully he 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.240 tells me some really cool shit today. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:05.240 My brother Bryce Wilson, my guy, Hey man, thanks for 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.080 having me. I've been waiting for you to pull up 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.880 on me, dog man. I've been waiting to come on 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:09.480 here man, you know. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.400 Because I know you don't talk to everybody. I do 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.040 not I know, man, And that's when I first hit you. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.840 I was like, I could feel it's hesitant. I'm his brother, 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.639 so he gonna know that I was. I ain't on 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.440 no bullshit. Absolutely, hey man, we're gonna kick this off. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.920 We starts off before we tell the story your story. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:32.400 So Bryce Wilson I meet and we just had We 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.040 were kindred spirits from the beginning, right. It was like, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:40.560 all right, the quote unquote pretty boy niggas who from 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.400 a dark place exactly. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.320 That's the best way I could put it, exactly. And 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.800 I'm like, yeah, me. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.280 And it's funny, bro, because when we first met, I 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:55.600 would just pull up on your sessions. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.280 I would just come pull up on you, man, come 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.920 hang out, just hang out. People that know me know 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.400 that I don't do that. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.959 Yeah, yeah, I gotta really fuck with you if I'm 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.160 just pulling up and it ain't about nothing else. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:14.480 Absolutely, And one night I'm like, big, bro, wow. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.280 This request came my way, man, and I think you 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.880 would understand this. I'm like, man, my homegirl, new artist. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.880 I don't know if you heard about her, Kisha Cold. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.440 She asked me to be her video ho yep. And 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:33.080 I said, I'm asking you because you've been one exactly. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.200 It's an elite club. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.920 What you said to me too. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.160 And I'm like, bro, I'm about to say no. I 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.480 don't think I want to be in no videos. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:44.720 Man. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.880 Yeah. I was like, nah, you got to gotta do it. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.240 Gotta do it, and I trusted your opinion of it 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.280 so much, and I'm like, okay, that's what I needed. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.800 I needed my dog to tell me like, nah, bro, 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.200 you should do it, because you could have told me too, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.120 Like listen that video, bro, and it just it fucks 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:02.600 some shit up. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.960 Or yeah, it wasn't right for me and does surprisingly 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.640 well for you. It did. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.240 It won't go away. It won't, bro, especially not the Internet. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.839 Exactly the Internet I am. I am a meme, yep, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.800 I am. You know somebody will be like I've seen 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.359 something that since one one somebody posted and it was 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.240 like this if if he looked like this, this is 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.839 he gonna cheat on you. I'm like, what, Like I 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.640 was just in the video rag on every nigga to 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.960 do rag gee exactly exact you know what I mean. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.960 But but yeah, Bro, you're the You're the reason why 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.560 I ultimately said, yeah they're doing that video. Yeah, those 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.880 are you know, it's like that's not that's not really 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.040 our personality type, right, but you know, when it's done, 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.200 it represents a moment in history. Yes, you know what 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.640 I'm saying, forever stamped. Yeah in that video, and I mean, shit, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.240 Kanye produced the record John legends in the video like 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.159 it's random things that are happening. Yeah in that video, man, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.800 And you know obviously Keisha went on to become a 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.400 legend and yeah, I'm forever etched. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.080 In yeah in that story. Yeah yeah man. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.200 But but yeah, bro, I just I had to He's 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.440 still available for more. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.480 No, you're young and check them. No, I don't want 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.360 I don't want to be in nobody else's video. I 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.920 haven't been asked. Yeah, and I've said no. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.520 Yeah, I didn't get I don't think I got paid 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.360 for that video either. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.560 So I'm still still waiting on Manny Hailey. Yeah, man, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:35.680 ma me get that paid. Come on Many that gig too. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.840 Yeah. They hung out with Keisha and she was like, Yo, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.000 you should manage me and I don't. Something was going 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.520 on with with with the management company means and we 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.000 have we just had a lot going on. And she 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.840 was like this guy man, I was like Many from 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.760 Brooklyn all right, So I took out to eat called 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.119 Manny put him together. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.960 It was like he's gonna be a manager. Wow. Yeah 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.640 yeah I didn't know that. Yeah, yep, look how it 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:04.040 all so? 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.039 Okay? You were playing it there to tell me to 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:12.320 do the video. See it's making Noah, oh this whole No. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.360 I just got your mihndset. I knew your mindset because 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.080 you know I've been there and that you know I 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.080 do videos I ain't want to do. And then it 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.360 ends up having that cultural currency where it's like, Okay, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.480 this this ain't you know, this ain't so bad. Yeah, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.160 you know it works out all right, So okay, let's 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.479 let's get to it now. Man, Young Brice, New York City. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.520 Give me, give me a little bit of how this 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.560 whole thing kicked off. Bro, the whole thing for me 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.839 kicked off. I grew up between three boroughs, right. I 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.280 grew up between Brooklyn, Jamaica Queens and Washington Heights, which 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.960 is the top of Manhattan, Okay, And man I heard 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.480 it was like I'm dating myself. But it was like 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.320 when hip hop was just starting to, you know, like 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.800 become a thing. Right the rest of the country didn't 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.480 know what was going on. It was it was a 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.160 New York there, super New York thing. And it was 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.400 right before the crack era came. And man, I heard 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.320 a record from run DMC and it was just over 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.560 and I just I just kept evolving like into what 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.680 I wanted to do. I wanted to be Rozelle from 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.080 the roots. He was I think Roselle. He's from Harlem 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:21.800 or the Bronx. But he moved to the corner of 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.160 my block. I had literally the best beat box on 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:30.080 the planet living up the street, right, So he's beatboxing. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.800 He's older than me, and I'm just like, you know, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.160 it's like we got a celebrity on the block. And 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.880 I ended up going to the school I wanted to. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.920 The high school I wanted to go to. They had 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.840 an aviation program and they didn't take me. So there 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.520 was you want to be a pilot? Yeah, just just 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.360 all of just like last minute. I didn't know what 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.040 I wanted to do, but I was like, let me 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.680 do that. They didn't accept me. And it was a 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:56.200 high school near my aunt's house in Jamaica, Queens that 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.800 it looked it just looked beautiful, and from a child 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.080 being in the backseat to that car with them in Brooklyn, Queens, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.520 Manhattan wherever, that was just one of those iconic pictures, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.440 this beautiful school. So my mother last me, it was like, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.440 you want to go there? I was like, all right, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.559 let me do that. So how are you at this point? Fourteen? Okay, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.760 so use my aunt's address. I go, and this shit 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.840 ended up being gladiated school. Like literally out of all 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.840 five boroughs, we were number four in crime rate. So 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.600 my school was the testing ground for every measure of security. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.720 Picture id's task force were like six five sixty nine. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.400 Security were basically bounces right hopping out of vans on 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:38.959 you first school in New York City. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.760 They have metal detectives like this. This shit was crazy. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.240 Yeah, so this is the this is the school from Juice. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.880 Yeah yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Like I look at lean 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.280 on me, it's a joke, Like this school was really 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.960 like this school was it was. It was gladiated school. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.880 So I go there not knowing what it was, and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.360 it's like you got to figure it out, like you 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.160 go be victim or you go to be on. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:06.520 The other side. And I went there and I was. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.800 I was a victim for the first month, and then 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.000 by the second, going to the third month, I started 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:11.520 turning up. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.720 I started. It wasn't in my neighborhood. I was kind 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.160 of foreign. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.640 And I met a good friend of mine, Jeff Shier, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.040 and he was from the hood. So he took me 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.000 out there, introduced me everybody, and then I just turned 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.160 into a whole other person, like a complete lost soul. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.480 And by month six they were doing a lot of 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:33.839 things to try to try to fix it. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.280 They've changed the name of the school fifteen times. It's 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.600 just never worked. But the principal basically they put together 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.560 task force. They put together list, and I made that list, 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.560 and when you're on that list, they did a sweep 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:46.600 and you out. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:47.520 Yeah. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.880 But and this is within six months. Yeah, yeah, so 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:56.080 I was out by January. I was out right. The 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:01.360 problem is, so my mother takes me shopping, right, and 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.000 this is January. We go shopping in September for the 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.400 school and that's it. January she take me shopping. I'm like, okay, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.680 this is cool. So I'm looking like this is like 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.440 all my friends from the hood where because they always fly. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.520 Good niggas always fly, of course, right, they do nothing 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.840 in school, but their parents make sure they fly. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.280 So I'm like, ah, she gets it now, she gets it. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.920 Yeah, like she gets it. Cool, So you know, I'm 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:30.000 feeling good. Next morning she comes to me and she's like, see, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.160 you know you're good. You okay, you like your clothes 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.720 I'm like, yeah, yeah, I love it. She said, cool, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.760 because you gotta go. I can't do this, you gotta go. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:40.240 I was like what. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.360 So at the same time she does this, the next week, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.880 I get swept right, So now I'm kicked out the school. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.079 I don't know what the fuck to do. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.240 And then I find out that once you get kicked 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.280 out of Andrew Jackson, no school in New York City 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.440 takes you because it's the worst of the worst. So 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.600 they're just like, she got kicked out of there. Yeah, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.959 we're not taking it. You can't get any school Bronx, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.839 Brooklyn and Manhattan nowhere, stating out you're deadlocked out of 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.840 the school system and you got kicked out of the house. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.520 And kicked out of the house. Yeah. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:14.959 So yeah, so and this is the weird thing I met. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.679 I was in eighth grade. Ll Cool j was in 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:18.360 eleventh grade. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:23.800 We went to the same school, right, So while I'm 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.240 in the school, I'm me and him rolling into every school. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.720 We cutting school every day. He's wrapping on beat boxing 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.040 and I'm like, I'm about I'm. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.040 Making your ll cool Jack. I'm his beat box. I'm 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.320 his bet box man. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:44.040 Like literally all this du beat box right, So it 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.679 was just this really exciting time because you're watching this 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.280 culture explode, this subculture explode. In the middle of it, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.920 I was just like I was just stuck. I had 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:56.360 to get out the house all of that. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.960 So at the same time my grandparents. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.599 I thought my grand parents were from Saint Thomas, the 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.160 Virgin Islands, because I was going there since I was 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.240 two months old, right, and then once I hit like 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:07.960 six seven, me and my sisters would. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.760 Go there for the summer, so I thought they were 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:10.080 from there. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.520 I didn't know that my grandparents retired and then moved 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:13.480 out there, right. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:18.000 So during this year, this September. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.680 Before the January got kicked out, they moved back to 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.080 the States and moved to Atlanta. So that was the 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.760 only place I can go. So you go to Atlanta, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.360 and I'll go to Atlanta at what you at fourteen, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.040 fifteen and fourteen years old, and it was like to 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.240 my culture, shock, Yeah, like this this is at that time, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.880 it's the fastest city in the world. And I'm in 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.920 you know, my motion is like I'm in it. And 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.520 then now I'm in Atlanta. My two grandparents, who were 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.679 the most solid humans I've ever met, like they went 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.760 to college in their sixties. They were just sharp, you know, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.080 sharp athletes, like really on it. And their mission was like, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.520 we're gonna we're gonna fix him. We're going to tighten 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.959 him up and get him straight. So I went to Atlanta, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.120 and I'm in Atlanta. This hip hop thing didn't happen. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.880 It's like little remnants of it, and I had to 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.240 thug it out for about two and a half years. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.000 But it was good because I changed my life. I 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.839 went from in New York, if you get a fifty 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.079 five E fail, if you cut school, you get a forty. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.199 I got five sevens and twelve's, Like they had a 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.800 been dead out of me. Like I had the worst 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.680 grades anybodys and I didn't pass any classes. So I 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.200 went from failing every class too now passing every class 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.560 because of my grandparents. So it's like every movie I 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.160 see where you just got to go through that fire 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.560 and you hate this person that's actually saving you until 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.880 you get through the fire and then you love that person. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.480 You know when you you know when you understand. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.679 So I did that, and slowly but surely Atlanta was 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.120 starting to get a little bit. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.360 Of the whole hip hop movement. The fresh fest has started. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.400 I mean I went to Jermaine Dupri's fourteenth birthday party 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:58.040 and this dude had the turntables. The literal opposite of 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.520 my life, where my life was like my family is like, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.280 you're throwing your life away. His family's like no, no, no, no, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.520 he's taking twelve hundred. Yeah, this is your life, right, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.360 So they were little remnants of that, you know. I 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.840 went to a popular school where you know, Ludacris a 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.440 lot of you know, there were like three high schools. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:13.720 I went to one of high schools where a lot 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:20.400 of music from Atlanta came from. And my grandparents they said, hey, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.640 we built the house about fifty minutes out. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.640 Fifty yeah, fifty that's not Yeah, this ship. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.080 Is in Atlanta. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.440 Yeah, like this is outside of Atlanta. So I go there. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.120 What my grandparents say, they said, well, when you graduate, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:35.400 I mean the eleventh grade. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.200 Now, they said, when you graduate, we'll move out to 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.960 the house at in the country club. All right, cool, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.720 And I'm just sitting in his new house. I see 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.440 cows on the way to school. What the. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.320 I literally see cows on the way to school. My 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.880 teacher tried to paddle me. Yeah, in high school. Yeah, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.040 teacher pulled, pulled out, pulled the dry and pulled the 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.200 paddle out. Okay, Yeah, the worst cursing he ever got 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.800 in his life. And I just sat there and I 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.560 just kept thinking about you know, because I go home 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.960 for the summer, you know, so I'm just thinking about 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.280 everything I'm missing. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:10.680 In New York. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:10.960 Yeah. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.800 I'm like, yo, you ain't never gonna make a record. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.400 And I thought about it, and I called my mother 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.040 and I said, y'o, just listen to me. She's like, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.880 don't start like, just listen to me. I'm gonna kill myself. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.920 And if you think I'm playing, you're gonna get a 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.680 call from people. I'm telling you. I got to come home. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.120 And my mother was like, you know what, fucking come home. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.640 And I came home and it's your eleventh twelfth grade year, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.440 around eleventh the middle of my of my eleventh year, Yeah, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.640 middle of my She was like, all right, you can 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:41.040 come back. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.440 Yeah, so do they let you back in school now? Though? 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.880 Now you didn't fix your grade, you got all everybody 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:46.440 everything to other. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.320 Yep, you're a new guy. I'm a new guy. I'm 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.840 a new guy. And all this is to get to 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.920 the music, all of us. To get to the music, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:55.080 all of it. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.760 When you get back to New York, what's your what's like, 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.200 what's your plan of attack? So I met in uh 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.240 in Atlanta, I met Andre Herrel, a guy named Casual 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.840 Cal who became the ring master for Soul Circus later on. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.960 He had like the video show down there and I 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.760 met them, and I met a guy from Sleeping Bag Records, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.600 and I got the guy from Sleeping Bag Records number. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.160 So when I came up to New York, that was 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.040 the first call I made. I go up there. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.360 He gives me, he worked in promotion, gave me a 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.600 bunch of records. I'm excited, like it's going to happen, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.320 and it just didn't happen. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.040 It never happened. It didn't used to happen like that. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.080 Now it is a little different, but yeaheah. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.200 So I went up to the label one time and 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.680 I wrapped for the owners and there was a head 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.880 producer there, men Tronic, and he heard me and he 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.480 was like, yeah, I want him, and I was like 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.720 for real. He was like, yeah, he wants to replace 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.200 the rapper he's got with you, and I was like cool. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.640 So the guy sleeping bag was kind of hating on it. Okay, bro, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.480 you can marriage me whatever. He was trying to sign 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.400 you directly, Yeah, but I don't know what he was. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.040 He was just on some weird shit and I was 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.240 just like, bro, what are you doing? So I ended 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.800 up just giving up on it. Was like fucking now 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.600 in my senior year and I'm back into being an idiot. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.240 But I'm on course to graduate. You're still handling your business, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.560 but you're into some shit. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:18.920 Yeah. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.840 And I get a call and it's like Bryce Doyn like, hey, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.399 it's like this Steven Shapiro, you know how. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.639 I'm like nah. He's like, I'm a lawyer for Curtis 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:29.160 man Tronic. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.840 I'm like, okay, how's he doing. He's like, well, I 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.919 just signed him two million dollar deal in Capital. I 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.160 was like okay, he said, so you want a deal. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.400 And everything changed from there. Got my first record deal 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.600 in the twelfth grade before I even graduated. Shit, yeah, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.520 before I graduated. Yeah, their phone call changed everything. Do 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:49.560 you remember what you signed for? 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:51.639 Like the advance? Yeah? 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.879 The advance was fifty grand okay, and I think it 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.280 was seventeen year old. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.400 Yeah, and I. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.320 Only got ten of it. I got a limo from 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:04.639 my graduation from high school. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.720 Wait wait, oh you're talking about this is what you 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:08.439 spent your ten on? 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.120 No this they got your forty on. Oh I didn't 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.560 understand none of this. Ship Okay, so you did actually 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.160 get to fifty. No, I got the ten. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:17.000 Okay. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.600 My first check was ten all right, and it was 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.080 just like there was Yeah, you want a limo for 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.920 your graduation? Yeah, give me billing you yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.600 so it's your limo. Yeah we did. We did a 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.479 trip to Europe. Wait wait wait what Yeah, we did 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.560 a trip to Europe. Right, it's time out bro business 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.440 though on Mentronic's business right like promo? Shit. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.080 We stopping in in a suit store. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:45.240 I get a suit for twelve thousand dollars. But I'm 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.879 thinking because Curtis is rich, so I'm thinking this is 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.200 on him, or it's on it's on somebody, right, twelve 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.720 thousand dollars suit seventeen. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.880 Yeah, I have no idea that this is coming out 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:57.439 of my pocket. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.000 Before it even reaches my pocket, you had a blank check. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.000 Yeah, I thought I was. I thought I thought this 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:04.080 is what that life's about. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.760 Like, oh yeah, I'll take two of those Yeah exactly. Yeah, 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.840 so yeah, I had I had to deal before I 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.480 finished high school. By the time I graduated, I was 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.919 in probably hit Europe like three times. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.080 At seventeen. Wow. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.280 Yeah, so did your And obviously at that point your 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.080 mom probably had to sign the deal for you. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.000 She did. Yeah, I had to go through the courts 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.080 and all that. Yep, Sarah, get court, do all of 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.800 that stuff. Yep. That's crazy. Yeah. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.879 So seventeen and as this is happening, you also you're homie. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.200 You see him become the biggest star in the world. Cool. Yeah, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:41.800 Like people. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.760 Don't understand how massive, how massive that dude was. It's 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.760 the best way to put its massive. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.720 Massive, Like he was an event. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.680 Everybody wanted to cano. Yeah, niggas start doing push ups. Yeah, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.359 it's like yo, eal bro, Yeah he was. He was 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.159 next level walking around with the radio. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.399 Yeah, yeah, dude, he was next level. And he just 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.160 had the whole, like he had the whole, the hustler gear, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:09.600 you know what I'm saying, Like he had you know, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.920 so at that time, though, you go back to Atlanta, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:13.639 he blowing up. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.239 Do you stay, are you still in contact with him 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.400 or it's like you just see him now I'm watching him. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.240 So what I did was in the school I had, 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.399 they had a payphone in the hallway. I spent every 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.840 dime I had calling this dude's house. I spoke to 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:36.080 his mother probably three or four times a week. But 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:37.080 he's out on the road. Room. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.880 Yeah, he on the road. He on the road. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.399 And then I spoke to him one day he was 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.480 at home, like literally after like eight months, when I 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.960 when and this is you know, back then, I'm putting 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.720 in two dollars worth of quarters. I'm saying, like every day, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.080 so his mom's pick up, it's over. It's over them 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:54.600 two dollars. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's over 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.399 them two dollars. Yeah, it was. It was. It was 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.040 a financial struggle getting in touch with that dude. And 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:01.520 then I got in touch with him, and he just 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.760 kind of broke my heart, like, nah, you can't come 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:03.960 on the. 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.920 Roll with me. Oh you asked to come out. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.520 Yeah. I was like, nigga, rescue me, Like, bro, I'm 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.040 in the country, Like you gotta get me at it, yo. 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:18.800 They was calling me crush groove, all kind of wash. 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.120 You know, you come from New York, You mad arrogant too. 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.600 So h it was. It was a culture, and I'm 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.159 sure they didn't believe that that was your homeboy. No, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.600 They're like, you don't fucking know. They didn't believe that. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.840 They didn't like my attitude. I didn't like what was 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:32.720 going on down there. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:33.040 It was. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.480 It took me. Took me two years to like be 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.160 comfortable around the Atlanta scene and be in be cool people, 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:42.280 you know, I had to do. I had like a 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.920 team of like thirty forty New York dudes that I 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.320 rocked with, and we would just you know, we you know, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.119 we get into it with the dudes in Atlanta and 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.720 all that I learned quick. It's like prison in a sense, 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.840 like you're from here, Okay, you gotta you sit at 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.399 that table. Yeah it was, Yeah, it was. It was 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.000 a lot. Atlanta was. Atlanta was rough until I until 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.800 I had to give into it. Right. But when you 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.960 straight from New York, you're not getting in nothing at first. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.160 It's gonna take yeah, it's gon take them. No, I mean, listen, 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.160 I I we have a shared experience in that I didn't. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:13.800 I didn't go to Atlanta, but I went to five 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.000 or six other cities because obviously my father was hustling. Yeah, 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.320 and it would be a new school. Yeah, you gotta 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.280 have that first fight. Yep, all right, you know how 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:23.760 to use his hands. We're gonna leave me alone. Yeah, 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.159 you know what I mean, you have to. It's just 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.240 certain ship that happens when you go to these new 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:31.040 schools and these new places where you don't know anybody. 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:31.399 Yeah. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.880 Yeah, and if you're dressing a little different, you talk 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:34.600 a little different. 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.320 Yeah, it ain't easy. It ain't easy at all, you know. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.960 I learned them dudes in the South may talk slower, 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.400 but they think fast. Hell yeah. 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.639 And it's fast, and it's a hood everywhere everywhere, and 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.000 it's street niggas everywhere, yep, exactly, fight everywhere. So you 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.720 gonna thinking you walking into these places thinking you gonna 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.879 do something. It's like I gotta figure out how to 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.240 survive where I'm at, exactly, and I gotta have respect 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.480 yeah for where I'm at. You have to yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.159 I remember I came down there. I was just on 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.760 this old yo Jamaica, Queens, Brooklyn and all that, And 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.600 I remember the two terrors in Atlanta was named Chip 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:13.200 and Dip. 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.680 Chip and Dim Dip. They was homies. 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.320 There was homies. And when I say, these dudes will 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.000 walk up to the school and niggas would go running, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.400 Chip and Dip is here, and these dude's had eye liner. Yeah, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.720 you're taking it too far, that eye liner. And it 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.480 was just it was just weird, like I'm looking like, 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:31.400 why are y'all like what? 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.560 But but they were terrorsts though, these dudes were actual terrors. 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.399 But I just had to was the literal exactly. It 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:40.960 was just in a different form than you know, from 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.600 what was in New York, you know. Yeah, yeah, I 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:45.880 had I had to take Atlanta serious. It was it 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:47.280 wasn't It wasn't a place to play with. 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:57.560 I found that out. All Right, you're on the road. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.000 You didn't been to Europe? 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.000 How many times? Three times? You haven't even turned eighteen 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.840 years old? Yep, y'all get your first hit record though, 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.880 how does that feel? It was weird because our first 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.439 hit record was R and B. Yeah, yeah, it was 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.720 R and B. And it was top I think top 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.360 five or top ten in America. It was number one 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.080 in every country on the planet. You look at Billboard, 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.000 it was literally number one in every single except for America. 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:32.399 So we weren't really hot in America. Yeah, but I 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.080 would go to London after a while. We go to London, 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.399 like every month, go to London. 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.480 There being and that's easier coming from the East Coast, 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:40.040 Yeah exactly. 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.359 Yeah. Yeah, there'd be a Jaguar Limo and a range 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.119 Rover out twenty four hours at a disposal with drivers 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:50.520 sitting in it twenty four hours. So this is like, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.160 like this dude, Curtis is living it up. Yeah, he's 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.600 Elvis over there. Yeah, now he's a literal he's Elvis 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.800 over there. And y'all got a song called got to 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.320 Have Your Love imagine. Yeah, the good Times. Yeah, he 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:04.919 was like and it was he was. 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:05.399 He was. 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.320 He was a giant and I was just this young 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.040 stupid kid. So was he He was the producer, He 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.160 was the producer. Yeah, so conceptually this is his thing. 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.360 He was a you know, he was a big producer 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.280 that was able to do rap and R and B. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.760 And he was one of the first guys that conversed 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.720 both yeah, you know both who sang that record. A 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:31.120 lady named Wandra's okay, yeah, but she wasn't in the group. No, no, 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.640 it was just me and him. But then we feature singers. 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:35.879 So this way it was a rap group, but this 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:37.760 way he can really and y'all. 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.440 Would have different singers come on the road and sing 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:40.040 that part. 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.239 Yeah, like for that she she sung out first our 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:43.840 first two hits, so for that she would go on 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.000 the road. And then the second album that I did 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.280 with him, we had another girl named Jay Trinny, and 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.359 then she came on the road. Bro, this is this 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.320 is wild that you're still a kid literally while all 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:55.120 this is happening. 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.200 Yeah, how are you embracing it? Were you? 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.359 Did you get caught up in it? Being that young 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.480 with a hit record and being out around the world. 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:03.320 I thought it. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.000 I had I had a really I had a really 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.280 interesting journey that I'm really proud of. My girlfriend at 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.800 the time. Her family, you know New York, we're all Caribbean. 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.720 Her family was Jamaican. And there was a book in 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.560 a windowsill and I picked it up and I looked 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:21.919 at us. I say, is this good? She said, you 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.879 never read that? I said no, So she gave it 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.480 to me. It was Malcolm X's autobiography of Malcolm X. 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:30.280 Right. So my journey was I would go to Europe 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.600 and I was really resentful and hateful because I'm reading 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:35.000 this book. 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.359 It's making you military. Yeah, it's super super militant. I'm 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.640 looking at I'm looking like structures like stolen ship. Much 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.679 like that was like that was the mission, right. But 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.919 it was interesting how the book just takes you on 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.399 this roller coaster and then he becomes this humanist and 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.439 then all of a sudden, Europe and everything different races 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.960 and colors just became something different. Yeah. So so for 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.040 me coming from where I come from, I had such 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:06.480 a different perspective on life because now I'm not the 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.040 racist at the beginning of the book, you know what 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.000 I mean now, and now I'm meeting like white people, 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.400 Spanish people, Swedish people, people from all over the world 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:17.360 that are actually really good people, you know what I mean, 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:18.960 and that I'm still in touch with to this day, 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.359 you know, like really quality people. So it was a 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:26.000 really interesting journey that I had going on the road 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.840 and reading that book, you know, and it just ended 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.960 well because I just started to really understand, like, wow, 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.000 this is what the world is like instead of this bubble. 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.960 That I come from, you know, right, that changed my life. 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.000 Now, that's incredible that you even had a chance to 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.880 have that type of experience. Yeah, and to make some money. Yeah, 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.520 you know what I mean, Yeah, some cool shit to happen. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:48.960 Yep. 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.600 At this point, you're really just focused on being a rapper. Yeah, 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.399 when did you start playing keys? So when I was 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.560 in Mantronics, I was I was kind of upset the 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.400 whole time because you know, this is big Daddy Kane 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.239 there or this l KUJ. I wanted to be that 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.919 rock him. I wanted to be that, you know, I 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.160 wanted to be the hood thing. And I resented this 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:16.679 international rap R and B. I resented that. And then 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.960 after a while, when I started like opening up to 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.480 the world, I was like, Okay, this, this isn't this 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.560 isn't that bad. So I would go to Curtis's house 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.960 all the time, you know, we're making music. He had 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.280 a duplex in the village and upstairs in the bedroom. 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.080 I would just sit on the floor against the wall, 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:37.040 and he'd sit by this sixteen thousand dollars emulator keyboard 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.440 that he had, and I would listen to him and 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.040 I would I didn't know exactly what was going on, 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.440 but I'd watched the slide and I would hear him 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.920 hitting his sample, and you know that was like truncating, 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:49.560 but I didn't know the word or or how to 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.520 do it at the time, you know. But I would 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.719 watch how he would fit samples into beats and stuff 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.000 like that. And then I woke up one day and 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:57.840 was like, I don't want to do this raption no more. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.720 I want to be him and this is why you're 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:01.400 in the group though. 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.440 Yeah, So I quit the group and I called him 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.720 and I said, yo, what should I buy? He's like, 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:08.200 what do you want to do? 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.680 I was like, I want to make beats and he 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.120 was like, okay, go buy this computer, this, this, this, this, 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.760 this is ten thousand dollars. It's probably like one hundred 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.640 and twenty thousand dollars now, and I bought this stuff 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.440 and the learning curve was just crazy, but I didn't care. 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.080 So this is like the era of nujack swing now, right. 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.200 I come from this man Tronics group that's left of center, 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.880 but you know, mainstream radios all nujack swing. So I 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:40.280 sat and I got a townhouse. Now I'm eighteen, nineteen 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.200 years old. I got a townhouse for like two thousand 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.000 dollars a month's fort store is just crazy, and I'm 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.520 sitting in my bedroom with this keyboard on in this 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.880 computer and I sat there for a year until I 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.800 figured out how to produce how to produce every every 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.440 record Teddy Riley did, I did that best to imitate it? Yeah, 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.920 which was hell yeah, yeah, there's a kick or snaw 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.400 I want it's a fucking base note on top of it. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.320 I'm like, oka't I hated it. 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:07.080 But I did it. 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.000 And then when I learned how to, when I figured 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.240 out nu Jack Swing, I was like, I want to 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.080 do a complete departure from this because the other thing 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.680 that was how it was trildcot Quest, right, So got 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.600 nu Jack Swing, which Teddy's the evil genius of all music, 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:29.080 he's amazing. You got trialdcord Quest, which is left, and 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.360 then you got mantronics in the middle, which is my teacher. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.680 So I was like, I'm gonna do this over. And 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.480 then I just came up with groove theory. I just 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.360 basically did it over. But before you get to groove. 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.640 Theory and you're learning, are you trying to go the 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:46.840 space of placing records or no, that's not even your thing. No, 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.160 And you didn't even understand that. 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.120 But at this point and you're just living off the 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.840 money that you made in the malntronics. 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.680 Yeah, yeah, you're not actually working. No. 0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.880 I had a publishing deal for I met a lady 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.760 in Karen Durant and publishing deals with twenty thousand dollars. 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.800 I sat down with her and she kept wanting to 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.680 do this deal with me, and I was like, this 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.880 is odd. So I threw out a number ninety thousand. 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.000 She said okay, and she got it. So had twenty 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.440 two thousand, five hundred coming every four months. And then 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.920 I had sixty thousand dollars from New York cas. Okay, 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.080 so I had money to live. Yeah, I just didn't. 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.160 I just didn't spend much. Sixty thousand. I wasn't touching, okay, 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.760 but I lived off of that publishing deal. And I 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.720 just sat in this room. And then Karen's assistant was 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.920 a Mel. Yeah, so it was plugging play. Karen's assistant 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.440 was a Mel. Me and Mel were cool and I 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.560 would give them tracks and it was starting to get 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.360 ugly and it was like, we don't know what this 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.960 is and we're about to drop your ass. And Karen 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.959 was like, yo, you know Mel could sing. I was 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:57.480 like really, so yeah, all right, brought a Mel to 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.760 my house I had a really dope track. She went 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.760 in the bathroom with a mic, sung it and that 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.680 was it. Everything she did made what I was doing 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.360 makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so I saved my publishing deal everything, 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.040 no shit, yeah yeah. And I never got to the 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.040 placing tracks. I never I never ever wanted that. Yeah, 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.160 I never understood it. And obviously, okay, so when you do, 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.200 when you and a mail get together and y'all make 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.960 the demo, how long does it take for you to 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.960 get an actual deal? A little over a little over year, 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.920 A little over year. It took because at the same 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.360 time I met Jimmy. Jimmy and Peter Thomas had a 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.000 company together from Real Housewives. They had a company together 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.160 and they had an English band called Rhythm and Bass. 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.400 We gave them tell Me where you gave it away? 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.520 First? Yeah? Yeah, gave it away. 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.160 So when you said this in the beginning too, I'm 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:54.960 gonna go back a little bit. When she went to 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.120 the bathroom to record it was tell me, No, it 0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:58.560 was another thing. 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.240 Oh was it enough about shit? Yeah? 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.120 No, it was another oay, but tell Me was like 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.560 the second or third real early did yeah, really really early? Yeah, 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.320 And we gave it to Jimmy's group. And then at 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.320 this time, me and Jimmy are getting to know each other. 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.560 And when my money started getting short that Jimmy started 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.680 coming in refusing cash. Okay, so I was funding the 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:22.360 whole operation. Now Jimmy's helping. And I met a guy 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:28.040 named Paris Davis who lived My house in Brooklyn was 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.760 on Saint Mark's. He lived two blocks away on Sterling. 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.480 His father knew my father. We didn't know, right, but 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.000 his father knew my father work, right, Yeah, from when 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.560 they were younger in Brooklyn. And he was like, yeah, 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.000 I'm getting his job at EPIC. And I was like, 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.640 for real, yeah, I'm getting his job at EPIC. I 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.880 got this time. I said, oh, take the top floor. 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.400 He took the top floor. I'm literally in my bedroom 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:51.600 every day working on music. 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.880 And I met the entire industry coming up my steps 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.200 going up to the top because they're going to see him. Yea, 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.240 literally every day he's bringing somebody out. Ya. I would 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.360 tell how you okay? Cool? 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.800 I go back to my thing and he goes upstairs. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.800 They go upstairs, they drink, smoke, do whatever. Yeah, and 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.840 are you using the right from the mantronics? Are you 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.200 using that at all. It's not even a conversation. It's 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.080 not it ain't even important. It ain't even important because 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:18.520 you know how this business is, and you know how 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.840 you know, whatever the pitch is when somebody introduced you. 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.759 So you literally like na, nah, it's just a hummie Rice. 0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.000 Yeah, for the people that knew about mantronics. But I 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.680 don't remember that song stuff like that. But it wasn't 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.120 We didn't make that much of an impact. And you 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:35.480 guys were bigger way around the world, around the world. Yeah. Yeah, 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.200 So I was just as homeboy. I was just as 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.279 little bro. And I just meet people and they go 0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.200 upstairs hang out and I just close my door and 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:43.520 I just work on music every day. 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:45.120 Yeah. 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.719 And then he brought a friend named Jeff Burrows by 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.000 and yeah, and Jeff was at Howard. I think he's 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:54.880 still how Good at the time, Yeah, Howard of Syracuse 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.719 because they I think they met at Syracuse at the time. 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:02.280 And uh, Jeff heard it. He liked it, and Paris 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.200 is now epic, but epic is moving slow. So Jeff 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.759 flies us out to Warner Brothers. Bennye Madina heard it, 0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.840 m hm. So I'm like, okay, we sit down with Benny. 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.920 He's singing every word to every lyric like he knew 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:19.560 he's studying. He studied it right. So I was impressed 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.360 because this was like fresh Prince just come you. 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.319 Know Benny, Yeah, you know, yeah, he's a guy. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.720 So he did that, and then Paris had to step 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.640 it up. So me and Jimmy was like, bro, you 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.040 gotta do something. If not, we overhear Warner Brothers and 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.839 got back to New York, set up a meeting with Timertola, 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.439 and Timer was like, what do you want? 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.680 I was like, publishing deal for her? What else? 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.719 I don't know, like six d five hundred thousand. Yeah, 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.040 it's a girl coming to y'all, Melerue, you get her 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:49.720 published deal? Anything else? 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.239 Now we goold for the twelve thousand dollars. 0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:58.880 It was different by it, right, right? 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.280 Right? So did you come up with that number? 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.799 The numbers were usually two fifty three hundred, okay, So 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.120 I didn't want to ask. I didn't want to ask 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.400 for something that was a deal breaker, but I wanted to. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.399 I wanted something that was reading sub stanch but yeah, 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.880 but substantial, you know, substantial where they knew we do 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:17.640 this for five six hund thousand dollars we got to 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.759 work this group. Yeah, you know, that was really the 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.080 magic number that that me and Jimmy and Paris talked about. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:23.640 Yeah. 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.799 And there was also a publishing deal being done for 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.600 her too though. Yeah, and then she got a publish and. 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:28.839 Were you still in your deal? 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.000 Yeah, so you were, so you couldn't do a new 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.600 deal for that deal, yeah, but for the group yeah. 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.360 Yeah, So it's something I paid attention to. 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.120 You said when you left man Trona, you said I 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.160 want to be him m hm. And now when I 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.640 look at Groove Theory, that's. 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.120 What you became came. Yeah. 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.280 Yeah, because I may be wrong, but do you wrap 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:51.520 on the Groove Theory album at all? 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.520 I was about to say, I don't remember hearing you wrap. 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:54.719 On that album. 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.400 I never touched that rap shit ever again. 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.040 And then on tell Me a lot of people thought 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.320 that that was saying and it was Trey Laurance. 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.719 Yeah, we gave it to him too trade demo tell 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.440 Me as well. So you just kept his vocal from 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.719 the demo. Yeah, oh this is great. Yeah, so this is. 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.719 Not like, oh yeah we got this song it's knocked out, Hey, 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.600 tyl Loarence, I need you just seen this part? No, 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.480 we gave it to Tray after Rhythm and Bass right 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.120 because they they just had a deal on Epic London, 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:22.320 so we gave it to him. He was on Epic 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.279 as well. He was on fire. He and then into 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.919 label Ever was like the same pop enough, like you're 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.200 going pop. So it was like cool, So we finished 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.719 the whole Grew three album. We're sitting in there with 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:37.240 the engineered Lapiva and Lamel and my god, dal Brown, 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.279 who was a great musician, played on a bunch of 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.320 stuff I did, and we're sitting there and then we 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.000 learned about that close composition clause at that time, and 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.560 then like you need another song. I was like, let's 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.480 just redo fucking tell me. You know, the anthem in 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.279 New York was rising to the top. Yeah, so I 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.279 was like I got a whole new vibe or do 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.839 it on and we sat down did that. She did 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.640 it as literally the last record. 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.720 Now the hell Mary now's a hell married. 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:10.520 No, none of that just just like we gotta fell 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.719 a quota like just let's fuck it, let's just tell me, 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:14.120 and we did that. 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.879 It wasn't going to be on the project, not at all. 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:18.640 That was a last record. 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.040 That's the last record, and ultimately was someone else's record 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.320 at first, like it wasn't even like yeah yeah, so 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.680 when she got to that part, we just punched him in. 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.040 You won't my love? 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.680 Yeah, we punched tray in and that was it, And 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.560 then the world thought it was me. Yeah, absolutely, because 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.000 obviously I didn't know you at that time, and. 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.319 I'm like, oh, well that's the Yeah, yeah it's him. Yeah, 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:48.080 they both again. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was tright. That's 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.280 crazy bro yeap was it ever? 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:55.360 Obviously it's he's always been in the credits, but it 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:59.000 was never like featuring trailer rent, so you kind of 0:38:59.040 --> 0:38:59.399 like if. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.520 You knew, you knew, Yeah, does he perform that record? 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.879 No, I don't think something. No, nig I'm getting that off. 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:10.319 I'm trailerform. Yeah, I guess And for my next trip, 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.480 I'm going to sing tell me I guess you didn't 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.120 know I was on that record. He's an interview with somebody. 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.880 He was like, sue as a guy. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:25.360 Brought me said, wait, de Brice say he sung that? Okay, okay, okay, yeah, 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.560 but yeah that's his voice on there. Now, you guys, 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:33.279 are you specifically you got another hit? Record. You're in 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.640 it again, but now you're in it in a different way, 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.640 different way. What's the focus for you now? 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.760 Because that's the other thing I feel like with Kendrick 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:47.040 Spearits and is the pivot, right. I've done them different 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.200 things in this business. You've done different things in this business. 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.120 What is what are you locked in on now for 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.520 when you when you're in it and y'all and tell 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:59.640 me takes off Smash record, when it took off the fight, 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.160 The fight was for me to be seen. 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:03.399 That was the That was the first fight. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.400 What do you mean? Like, if you look on the 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.239 album cover, I'm I'm blotted out. Yeah, yeah, because I was. 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.960 I didn't I never thought about that part. Okay, So 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.800 it's done and it's time to do the visuals and 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:13.520 the video and all that. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:14.920 I'm like, yeah, let it go do a thing. And 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.960 they're like you gotta do it too. I'm like, nah, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:18.279 do like you have to. 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.800 So everything was forcing me to be in the video, 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:24.120 you know, it put me in the video. I'm like, 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:25.719 what am I supposed to do? I'm like, okay, let 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.680 me stand by this board. Look stupid, okay, let me. 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.359 I don't even know what I played on this, but 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.440 turn the volume down, let me, you know, do that, 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:34.719 let me do a little two step, and that was it. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.719 That was so that was the next struggle for me 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.880 was like, you're fighting with the label. 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.200 Yeah, with the label. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.239 As all these artists are trying to figure out how 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.719 to be in the You're like, nah, yeah, yeah, so 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.520 album cover. I was like, I'll do the shoot, but 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.480 I gotta be in the back and I gotta be 0:40:51.480 --> 0:41:02.960 blurred out. Why didn't you, I mean, other than I 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.360 get the you know, the group you had come from, 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.160 but why didn't you just sign her as a solo 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.759 artist if it was going to be her project? As 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.440 far as as the artist, I didn't. I didn't have 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.800 those thoughts or every thought I had as a producer 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.560 was what I learned from Curtis everything. So I really 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.560 I didn't. I had no departure from the you know 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.960 that concept group, whether Solo, Soul Scenes, Music Factory, or Mantronics. 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.840 That's that's that was all I had in my in 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:30.839 my purview, that was it. 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.279 Yeah, So that's that's all I knew. That's that's what 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:34.719 I went for. 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.320 Okay, now the business of it, how does that break 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:44.560 down when ultimately and I can't speak for her, but 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.960 if she's looking at it like, well, I'm singing. So 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.640 now we got to go perform these things live? How 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.920 does that work? When it's like okay, well, okay, whatever 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:56.960 the fee is, y'all getting paid the show, y'all getting 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:58.200 twenty thousand, ten thousand. 0:41:58.840 --> 0:41:59.440 Are y'all like? 0:41:59.440 --> 0:41:59.680 Okay? 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.680 So if you want groove theory, we split this? 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:05.520 Yeah, we were, we were. We were fifty to fifty. 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.399 So at first Amel was going to sign to me. Okay, right, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.480 and me and Jimmy got her a new place and 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.480 I dropped her office, she said, and my lawyer wants 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:14.920 to talk to you. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.640 I was like about what I don't know? Okay. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.320 Next day I get a call, go to the lawyer's 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.400 office and the lawyer is like, yeah, we're not doing this, 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.560 not doing what, We're not doing this? This her signing 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.239 you Like, what do you mean? 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.080 This is wild? Groove theory is out? 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.480 Or no, this before this, before y'all get the deal. 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.880 This is when the deal is sent to the lawyers. 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.920 Oh shit, okay, yeah, so she's supposed to sign to 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:39.919 me and then you know, I go through the deal. 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.600 So you've got to be the furnishing company. Yeah, so 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.680 last minute he's like, now we're not doing it, y'all 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.680 will be fifty to fifty. And I'm thinking to myself, 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:48.880 like I paid for everything and I put her in this, 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.160 Like what are you talking about? So me and him 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.799 had it out, and you know, he's like, groups don't 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.520 do this. I said, what about seeing music factory about 0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.719 soul and soul? Well yeah they did what by man 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:01.960 trying to Yeah, but well I come from it. What 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.359 fuck are you talking to? I just blacked down, Yeah, 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.360 blacked out on him. So my lawyers on the phone 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.960 or speaker phone, and he's like, let's take a recess. 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:12.200 Just getting too hot. 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.719 So I go in the conference room and he's like, 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:20.759 so I find out what's happening. Benny Medina called her lawyer, so, 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.440 oh shit, Hey hey kids, this is a music business. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.440 If you if you're if you're tuned in, you're watching 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.360 this right now. This is how the music business really works. 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:32.840 This is how you learn to play chess. 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.160 Yeah you know. So you know, I love Bennie's a 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.279 really good friend of mine. I love Bennie's death. But 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.440 he had to do Yeah. I told him no. So 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.120 he was like all right, I'm gonna get a piece. Yeah, 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.759 I'll get hunting. So when that happened, it was I 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.560 was just stuck. There's nothing I could do. So I 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.520 go in there and I'm like, all right, we'll do 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.960 fifty to fifty. We do the fifty to fifty deal. 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:57.960 I don't have any producer points, none of that. It's 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.239 just produced by me. But everything's fifty fifty. So I'm 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.880 basically an artist an artist, but you're not getting no 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.359 extra producer points on top, nothing. Nope, just fifty to fifty, right, 0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:08.600 And that worked out. It was fine, you know, it 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.759 was fine. And then later on down the line, it 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.719 kind of came back to bite me because I was 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.839 in the background so much. So we had a show. 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.319 They say, okay, we got a clothing budget. I give 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.279 it to a mail. I'll go to Barney spend twelve 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.040 hundred on the show that I already had money. It 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.239 wasn't nothing, so I would just yo, just give that 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.760 to a mail. And then it just started to seep 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:36.280 into everything where it became like a weird, a weird 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:40.799 power struggle, and I was losing it because now you're 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.799 hearing little murmurs from the label like, well, she's the 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.000 town town, she's a base, so we go go ahead 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:46.879 and take her. 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.880 So I was like, wow, okay, that's interesting. 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.400 So then I did the smart move. My biggest crush 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.040 at the time was Tony Braxton. 0:44:56.160 --> 0:45:00.359 Right. I know Billy Woods since I was a teenager. Right. 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.239 I met him in New York at like an hour 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.680 release part some ship whout like me and a bunch 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.719 of dudes my hood. We just at this party and 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.319 Billy got me an autographed picture of Tony saying to 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.359 my future husband, see you at the Grammy's right out 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.640 this picture. Every day anybody come to my house. I'm like, yo, 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.960 read this, read this all right? So you never met 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:25.960 her at this point, never met her? 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.799 Now grouth days out, I get all these phone calls, Yo, 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.879 guess what, Tony wants to meet you. 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:38.680 Okay, I go meet her. And the same time I 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:41.920 meet her, I meet Ellie Reid and and Kenny Babyface 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:43.280 LA's in the studio. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.319 He's like, you brought some he brought them here. 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.520 I'm like, yeah, he's just sitting in there just like 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:53.560 loving every every fucking track. Then me and Tony start 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:57.279 hanging out, and then that leads to the record with her. 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:03.520 So now the power dynamic because you yeah, co producing 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.239 co world exactly. You're making me hot. 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:08.400 Yeah. So now I'm with you know. 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.080 Now I got this number one pop an R and 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.400 B single, and I'm on the roll with Growth Theory 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:14.440 and the video. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:14.839 Yeah. 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.960 And then I did the video which was yeah that 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.839 you know, turnex to a sexymple brother. 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.000 Yeah it did, Yeah, yeah, yeah it did. They was 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.719 love in the streets Bill Bill Bellamy said to me. 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.239 Then he was at MTV. He said, brother, bet is good. 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.360 The MTV will change your life. And Growth Theory was 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.800 definitely be tea. It was absolutely MTV. Yeah, MTV megastar. 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:40.840 Yeah. 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.200 So that happened, and then I was I was in 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:44.280 the in the Atlanta family. 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.040 No, it's me KP Dallas l A. 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.600 Like you know, I was like forgetting because in New 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.080 York you had to either come through Andre Herrel, Ross 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.000 simmsopof yeah, and I circumvented all of them by just 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.120 going to Atlanta and messing with the big boys. 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:04.040 And when that happened, then everything changed. Everything changed. 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.719 And I was young. I was an asshole, you know, 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.600 because yah, y'all y'all been playing me this whole time. 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.759 So yeah, now I'm on fire. But y'all on the road, 0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:14.640 you said we're in the road. I got off the road. 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.480 I said, mel can take half my money and go 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.840 through the shows. It just wasn't worth it anymore. I 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.440 making forty thousand and six songs, so yeah, I just 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.040 stay at home and do two songs of a week. 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:26.799 I'm one hundred and twenty in I don't you know. 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.719 I was like, I could plane crash. I'm not doing that. 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.840 I'll just stay home. So that that changed the trajectory 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:37.920 of everything. And then you know, Epic has called me 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:39.920 in to pick the first singles. Everybody, everybody's off in 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:43.719 the joint venture, but I was I was more. That 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.560 was my ego trip. Yeah, yeah, my ego trip was 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:50.160 I was a nobody, y'all, y'all was picking her. And 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.600 now I'm saying two hundred seventy thousand units a week literally, 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.279 you know, now that record is twenty one million, so 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.400 lot more fucking fire. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.680 Say something like it was just such a difference the group. 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.440 Theory world to the you know, the pop world, you know, 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.000 and that changed, and that's when it became the placemanking 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.600 you know of everybody wants, you know, and our guy 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.279 walks in the room and I look at my engineer, like, 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.880 when I say hit it, hit it right, play something, 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:27.760 Who's who's that for? Is Michael Jackson's Yeah, Mike wantsta Mike? 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.280 Was you cab it? 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:32.160 You were it? 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:32.640 Yeah? 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:34.920 I made up a different artists every single time they 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.399 came in that room. I made up a gigantic artist like, yeah, 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.759 that's for them. When you used to do that, she said, 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.239 you just here, mister, you for real? 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:42.560 For real? 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.680 Like yeah, like I mean unless you you get to 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.480 check tomorrow. I see what I could do. 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.200 But you know, turn that up some turn it up. 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.600 Get them hooked playing on the big yeah, exactly, get 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:54.920 them hooked. It was just it was just all funny 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.240 games after that. Yeah, you know you already know you. 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:01.319 You groove theory at this point, like officially. 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.680 No, I didn't leave, but we got it. So we 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.400 got our deal for the next album, and then things 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.840 things just went left because now things are changing. 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.400 The mail it's like I. 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:17.839 Want sixty percent of every record. I'm like, how good 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:21.359 you need to take forty and you takes sixty. I'm 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.040 not doing that. Then the labels like we're gonna we're 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.840 gonna front you'll check for one hundred grand to get started. No, 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.920 you're not. There's two million dollars for the next album. 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.359 You're not giving us a hundred thousand dollars. One hundred 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.759 thousand dollars comes because everybody like, come on, you know 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.279 you gotta take this money. Then it's like, well, Bryce 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.560 is making so much money by it, give me sixty 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:39.799 to that. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.440 And I do it. But by that time it's just broken. 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.080 Yeah, you know, part of the labels like a mail 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:50.279 come over here and I'm tired and I and I 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.000 always wanted group Theory to be a different featured singer 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.600 on these projects. Yeah, So I was so mentally, I 0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:00.359 was onto another sound that in my head was way way, 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.040 way more dynamic than what growth there was. Growth there 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.239 was cool, it was mellows, jazzy was hypnop, but I 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:09.640 want some fire shit just jumping out the speakers. So 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:11.719 my mind was there, and the mal's mind was on, 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:13.879 like I just need to go do my own thing. 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.680 And then the power struggle between me and a label, 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.839 I was just like, it was vengeance time for them. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:22.640 I ain't gonna lie. It was vengeance time. 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:24.799 It was like they were not gonna let you be 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.080 more successful there with them. Well they wanted to, but 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:32.560 I was like no, Like Paris Davis, they fired him 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.040 and I sat down with the president epic. 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.280 He said, I know you got Paris a new job at Atlantic. Yeah, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:41.160 what'd you do? Did the Change your Faces videos? It's 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.360 like what da videos? 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:47.600 Exactly like that much power where you do a video 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.800 for somebody and you can get another human being a job, 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.040 an executive job. Yeah. So after that, it was just 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:56.600 like it was just my playground and growth. There was 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:00.000 just at that point it was I don't want to 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:01.880 say it was too small, but it was. It just 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.600 wasn't worth a headache. Yeah, you know, it wasn't worth 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.920 a headache. Y'all played me and it's like, you know, 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:10.960 now there's no one in front of me. There's no 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.400 one that can say no and stop my motion, you know, 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:15.680 because I'm the motion. 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:16.160 You know. 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:18.880 People want me to do their music, you know, all 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:21.640 their video or whatever, but that they don't leave that out. 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:27.000 Yeah yeah. Yeah. So that so that was that that 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:28.040 just that was the pivot. 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:29.920 That was the new life and the main focus was 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.120 now you are a mercenary in a sense you are 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.240 got a higher gun to go get these records exactly. 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.319 And at that stage of the music business, it was 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.400 a lot of money to be made. 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.680 And it was a super producer era, yes, like five 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:46.800 of us. Yeah. 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.560 So once you get that super producer under your name, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.439 it's like now niggas was getting paid. 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:53.200 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.239 Did you did you have in your mind though, that 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:58.520 you were going to do another group or do another 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:00.000 artist project. 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.919 Was that a part of your focus then too? Yep, 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.359 that was part of my focus. I actually ended up 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:05.799 doing one. 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.880 I did another album with a girl named Makata Davis 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:14.240 that was from Davante's camp, right, because remember Missy Timberling. 0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:17.240 Genuine all of them were from Davante. Hankers to Basement, 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.880 yeah exactly. Barry came and took all him, put him 0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:24.360 over in Blackground, and I found this young girl that 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.480 was from that camp that was just insanely talented, and 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:33.320 I did a project with her that was just an 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:41.080 extremely undeniable, crazy album. And I did this album and 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.880 we got into politics with it. She wrote Best to 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:48.120 Me the remix Mayan Jake, she wrote that, and we 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.560 were having problems with Epic and I text Puff and 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.080 Steve Stout and I said, Makaya is free, free agent. 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:57.040 Good luck, niggas. I got call in two minutes from 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.320 Tone from Track Matters. He was like, Steve wants it 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.440 in the scope. All right, did the album over there. 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.360 Then Steve left, but this is not a group though, No, 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.080 this is this is a group there album. Oh, this 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.520 is group there. Okay, okay, yeah. I had the second 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.720 album at Epic. Epic was acting weird about black music. 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.000 Got off of there and then got to deal with Steve. 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:22.440 Started in the scope, did that album. Steve left and 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:26.239 started going to the into the marketing world. I'm deal 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.319 with this album that I take that album off. I 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:31.440 got both labels and took my masters, who was not 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.360 of my deal. I just took it because nobody stopped me. 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.360 So I took all the masters. And then you know 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:43.399 Chill from Chicago. Yes, Chill, Wow, loupays guy. Yes, yes, 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:47.520 Chill was best friends with Jay at the time. And 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.120 he calls me off. He's like, yo, you trust me. 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:52.200 I'm like yeah, this is five years later, Like yeah, 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.719 what's up. He's like, come to New York. Come to 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:58.440 New York. Jay's there, Beyonce is there? We played the 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:00.839 album and they just sit and they're like, Yo, what 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:01.600 the fuck is this? 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.800 I don't know. Jay's like, bro, you wasting yourself. You stopped, 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:07.439 like I stopped making music. 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.880 I just got turned off from all of the personal 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:12.480 demands of giving everybody money all that. 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:14.360 And uh. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.879 He said, yeah, we'll be back and he took the CD. 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.959 They called back two hours later sayah, we want six records. 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.200 I was like, real and this this stuff is five 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.120 years old at this point, you said five years old? 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:31.960 Five years old? It took six records, Jay Coles. The 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.520 next week he says, Yo, we had the Rose Bowl. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.239 I played this record for Janet. Johnny wants this sorry record. 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:39.040 Good that sorry record? 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:42.480 Huh? Fourth for Benes, Yeah, let's do it. 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.200 And Janney got a record all like all of these 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:49.560 records were just and then all five years old from 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:50.480 the Machatur project. 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:51.120 Yeah. 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.879 Yeah, So track masters loved it. We did the first 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.680 single that we had. They did a remix because they 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:58.960 had that r Kelly moment. Yes, the best of both 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:00.480 worlds and all that, So they did it remix with 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:02.080 Maya and Jacket Edge on it. 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:03.760 Like everybody wanted a piece of this record. 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:07.520 So I basically just sold the raceal just sold the 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.279 record out, just pieced them out. 0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:11.200 Yeah, Amyy, Beyonce, a bunch of people. 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:14.279 Beyonce ended up only taking two because her father had 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:15.480 already paid Scott Storch. 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.960 But yeah, between Chill, Me and Jay, we just gave 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:21.000 him records. Everybody. Wow. 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:24.040 Yeah, yeah it was. It was a crazy, crazy album. 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:28.640 No crazy album like that. Yeah, Mickata was exactly what 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:31.839 I was looking for. It was way more dynamic. It 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:33.799 was like, you know, we did a showcase and she's 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.759 singing a natural born killer Jermy and ice Cube. 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.479 Yeah, like she was a rock star. 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:42.160 She was different, super hood, super rock stars and everything. 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:46.480 Yeah. Then you turn into an actor. Yeah, then I 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:47.319 wanted to be that guy. 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:50.960 Yeah, what made you say that to yourself? Like, all right, 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:53.120 you know what, I'm sure his acting thing. 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:54.040 I got tired. 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:57.000 Was it because of the videos? No, it was because 0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.919 of the group theory situation. I didn't like being held 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:01.920 hostage by an artist. 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:03.759 I didn't like that. M hm. 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.319 So I said to myself, if I can get used 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.520 to the camera, I could probably do this acting shit. 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:13.359 In the midst of this, Tracy Edmonds had called me 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.319 to do Soul food when they were doing the series. Yeah, 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.279 and she's like, why, you just gotta trust me. 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:18.920 I fly out here. 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:24.759 The dumbest audition you could ever see it done by me. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:28.600 I'm literally like this like and he said he's going 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:36.600 to the store. I'll be right back. It was so bad, 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:37.799 like it was. 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.800 It was unbelievably terrible. 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:43.920 It was just really bad. So I did that and 0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:46.040 then that that killed I was like, I don't want 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.000 to do this acting ship. And then it was a 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.200 there was an opportunity for Vibe magazine was doing the 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.880 TV show Caught Weekend Vibe and I got on a 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.480 plane in LA and my lawyer at the time said, yeah, 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.160 they're doing this thing. And I was like, if I 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.480 host this show, then I could get used to the 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:08.040 camera and then I can act. So I land in 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.319 LA and they're like, auditions are tomorrow in New York. 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:13.879 Of course, I'm like, all right, well, I'm in La. 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:18.439 I'm cool, and I sit myself and I'm like, don't 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.000 feel a little bit. It's done. 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:26.160 I literally turn around fly back to New York and 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.800 I'm like, you just go be who you are, ghetto. 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:31.400 If it's whatever it is, that's what you gonna do. 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:33.520 I saw a bunch of people in the audition and 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:34.280 they're like, oh way. 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.160 I was like, I'm cool, let them. And I'm hearing 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.400 these people go and they just sounded just so scratstick 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.120 and yeah, script in and corny. I just go in 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:46.760 there and I'm like I read it, and. 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:50.040 They're sitting there and they're like, well, introduce this. 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.040 It was like some artists. Yeah, so I just freestyleed. 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.000 This artists comes from something. I'm in the music business. 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.440 This artists comes from so and so to today. It 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:57.600 was discovered by songs of. 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.400 Do la and they're like, you got the job. So 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:01.760 I did that job on the spot. 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.200 Yeah, I did that, and then I went on into 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:08.080 acting from that. Yeah, I couldn't just jump into acting 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.840 right right, right right. That first attempt was yeah, but 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:16.000 you were preparing yourself. Yeah, I was preparing myself for sure. 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.720 You got a legendary scene. That legendary scene. You know, 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:29.520 me and you ain't talked about this, but bring it 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.000 up in Beauty Shop. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:37.800 The legendary scene where I want to say, you might 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:41.000 be the first brother to introduce. 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:49.080 The man bag that is now very popular in our community. Absolutely, No, like, yeah, 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:50.640 you know, I keep a hundred thousand and there. I 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.240 might got a million dollars in this bag. I might 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.960 have a pistol in here. Yeah, but you ye in 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.320 the shop with a man bag. 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:58.120 Yeah. 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.000 It wasn't very acceptable at that time. 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.560 It was not I felt crazy. 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:05.880 Yeah, can you take me back to that scene please, 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:07.400 and how that was introduced to you? 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.840 Like, okay, so this scene you're gonna walk in? Yeah, 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.040 it was just weird. They were like, yo, your character's 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:14.240 not gay, but they don't know. 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.600 I was like, they don't know, but am I no, no, 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:21.240 no you're not, but they don't know, okay, And they 0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.240 just started to popping shit out a little set and 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:24.920 I'm like, what do you mean? 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:27.040 Like I'm in wardrobe, Like all right, cool, I'm ready 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:27.800 to go. I got on. 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:31.960 Bagging, I got on tims, yeah, rolls, and like oh 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.160 yeah one other thing they put it around me. 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.000 I'm like, you can't be serious, like it's the role, 0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:39.120 like this what you got? 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.320 So yeah, so this wasn't in the script that you 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:44.280 had read though that okay, this is what you know. 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.840 This is you introducing No, because I didn't read. There 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.200 was a part where they talked about it and I 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:52.240 need that part yet. Yeah, yeah, I didn't read that part. 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.880 I didn't read that part yet until yeah, until like 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:56.600 the day before, and I didn't even notice it. I 0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.120 didn't notice anything until they put it on me. And 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:02.000 I just felt crazy with tims On and a first. 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:03.760 Yeah, it was. 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.360 It was crazy because going back to obviously, like going 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.720 back to your men tronic days, you had been around 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:14.000 the world, had you seen that already, because obviously that's 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.240 something that came from overseas. That's that's not like an 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:17.520 American thing. I saw. 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:19.800 Haitian Jack was the first person. 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:23.000 He used to carry a little this little thing in 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.720 the in a little bag. It wasn't a strap bag, 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:29.040 but he used to always carry that, and I used 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:29.720 to always look. 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:32.160 At that like that's interesting. I always had a man back. Yeah, 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:32.640 but it's Jack. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:34.280 You ain't gonna question it, right right right, you know, 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:38.080 it's definitely not question Yeah, it's gangster. Yeah, and you 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:40.400 know he ain't holding the wallet in there. So that 1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.560 was the first time that I saw it. But yeah, 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.600 I never I never saw that ship with a strap on. 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:47.760 The strap on it. That was just yeah, that was 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:52.040 a crossbody yeah, crossbodies. Yeah, no, bro, you yeah, you're 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:57.960 the first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're You're in Earth in 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.600 the history, Bro, Like you're the first. What that's scene? Yeah, 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:05.080 it's very legendary. Brow. How was that movie for you? 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.200 It was good. Did you know a lot of the 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:13.840 cast already or Nope? I only knew and Billy Me 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:15.480 and Billy got a history. The same thing with the 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:17.200 Tony video. I ain't want to do it, and he 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:19.840 was like, well, you gotta do it, and I was like, no, 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:22.720 I don't. J and DMX was getting hot. I was like, Yo, 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.920 this is due Jay my man Brooklyn and so do Dmax. 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.760 Tony was like, I don't care about that. So Billy 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.440 was like, you gotta do it. I did it, and 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:35.520 then it worked out, so Beauty Shop happened. I had 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.440 did another movie called hair Show with Monique and he 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:39.800 called me and I was like, bro, I did this 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:42.000 other thing. And he's like, bro, And I was like, 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.160 you want me to just shut the fuck up and 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:46.240 trust you Again, he'said, can you just do that? Can 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.480 you just shut up and just show up? I just 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:49.600 went to audition and got it. 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:50.640 Wow. 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.400 Yeah, And he was the director of it. So he 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:55.280 was the director. Yeah, do good enough and I'll tag 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:55.840 it out for you. 1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:56.120 Yep. 1:01:56.680 --> 1:02:01.880 Yeah, wow bro, Yeah yeah, and then you became a 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:06.280 real actor, real actor after that. Yeah, and then I 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:11.080 quit that. I didn't have a next guy to be 1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:12.920 like I want to be him. I just I just 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:15.600 was like I don't have I was like thirty two. 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:18.520 I was like, I don't have the stomach to get 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:20.680 ten years of no before they tell me yes. 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:23.280 You know, I did that. I did the one hundred auditions, 1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:24.920 well only booked three out of one hundred. 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:25.560 Yeah, I did all that. 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:26.400 I did that whole round. 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:28.080 I did that. I went to film school, I did 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.400 all of that. But that's when the music mind came in, 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:32.840 you know, because the music, it could be me and 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.439 you an engineer, and it could change our life. 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.720 Right, film you need thirty. 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:40.680 People crew, sixty people crew, you know it's yeah, it's no, 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:44.000 it's no making a movie without all of those exactly, 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:47.000 without all the all them moving parts. Yeah, so you're 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:49.040 like A right, I was like, I have I had 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:50.400 the heart for this in music. I don't have the 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:52.600 heart for this for acting, you know, I just didn't. 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:54.640 In my thirties, I was like, I don't. 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.600 Have the heart for this. You walk away from acting. 1:02:57.480 --> 1:02:59.600 You don't want to deal with, you know, the back 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:03.040 and forth of the rejection, and you know, people don't 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:06.040 realize that you you auditioned all those times to maybe 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:06.840 get one role. 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.919 Yeah, you go out, what's something okay before? 1:03:10.040 --> 1:03:13.600 Before you do that, though, what's a role that you 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:17.480 auditioned for that maybe became something like really dope? 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:21.400 And you're like, fuck, I could have been. I don't know, 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.240 is there any like big movies or anything that you 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:23.840 auditioned for. 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:29.200 Gangster auditioned for which which I definitely wanted a role 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:34.040 in that he was gonna be Denzel No No, Frank Lucas, 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:36.160 but I think I was supposed to be like his 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:39.360 nephew or one of her brothers or something. And it 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:42.200 was it was the hype around it before they shot, 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.240 or the hype around American guest it was very hot. Yeah, 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.400 the buzz around Hollywood for that was really high. So 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:48.920 that was that was a role that I that I 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.400 really wanted. It's just a lot of ups and down. 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:53.440 I remember I got so cocky. I went to this, 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:57.600 to this this audition. I was I'm gonna go kill it, 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:01.040 and I flopped so bad. The cast nature was like 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.439 and where did you come from? Again? Because she heard 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.800 so much hype about me. I was like, yeah, I know, 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.920 I know. She was like, yeah, okay, get at it. 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:12.959 And she went to where did you come from again? Yeah? 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:15.400 Because he heard a whole bunch of hype and right, 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:16.880 he just got this roll this road. 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:17.520 Yeah. 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.160 And I went in there and I Lily was on 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:22.760 the plane reading leading these lines like I'm gonna. 1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:25.080 Go murder this? Who else going for this? I'm killing 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:26.880 all of them? So what happened? You just forgot this 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:27.840 ship once you got in there. 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:30.000 I just flopped. I don't know what happened, but I 1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:33.600 flopped bad. I was just like, door a cool. 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:36.280 You know when you fucked up? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:38.080 you know you're fucked up? Yeah? All right? 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:41.520 Actings now in the rearview? Yeah, do you go back 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:42.320 to producing? 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.280 Do you like? What's the no? 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.760 I just chilled out. I bought a seven bedroom in 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:49.320 Hollywood Hills. I was just chilling. 1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:51.880 Why did you buy a seven bedroom? 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:53.640 Right? Why did you need seven bedrooms? 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:58.280 Bruce? The house was a good deal. Seriously, seriously, you 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.600 can tell us, we all tell it was a good deal. 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:05.800 Something. Wowd Yeah, I bought this one car, and I 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:08.280 remember it had it had this this button on the 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.120 side that made all my doors open. I was like, wait, 1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:13.959 so it's how much more? So it's thirty thousand more 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.920 for the for the doors, for the touch door. Yeah, 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:22.440 stupid as hell man. Yeah the house. Yeah, bought that house. 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:26.000 I was chilling in La Then I bought a condo 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:28.600 in Miami, and I had another place in New York 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:31.000 and I just went every two weeks from each place 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:34.640 to each place. And I was in real estate at 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:40.080 the time, okay, because I'm invested in two hotel restaurant groups. 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:42.920 So my plan after after all of this, I was like, 1:05:42.960 --> 1:05:45.040 I'll just like do clubs and hotel stuff like that. 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:51.200 And I had all this property everywhere, and the market 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:54.800 started shifting and then it was education. 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:57.800 Time that crash that happened, Yeah, that happened. 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:01.840 Yeah, So everything else, like every dime I had was 1:06:01.880 --> 1:06:05.880 in real estate. So I went from having four cribs 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:09.880 to in La Miami, New York to ending up in 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:14.000 Atlanta back wondering if I could pay the rent ship. 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:15.520 Yeah, like I felt. 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:18.440 I felt so hard. The thing it wasn't really the 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:21.480 fall was was obviously bad, but it wasn't really the fall. 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:23.520 It was the fact that I had no options, you 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:24.120 know what I'm saying. 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:28.400 I had really good friends in this business, La Sylvia, 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:31.680 Craig Cowman, but the people under them, I was an 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:33.720 asshole to them because they were assholes. 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:35.280 I didn't like record people. 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:38.320 Okay, I didn't like that whole he's he's hot now, 1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:40.280 so give me a record that sounds like that. 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:41.840 I just didn't respect any of that, you know. 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:44.960 So when I so, when I went broke, there was 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:47.520 no coming back to my old job. You know, there 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:50.480 was no because at this point now the executives, they 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:51.640 didn't have those relationships. 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:53.760 Yeah, and they're the star now, you know what I mean. 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:55.000 They want to be the star. 1:06:55.120 --> 1:06:57.560 You know. Everybody now wanted to be like puff, you know. 1:06:57.680 --> 1:07:01.840 So there were It wasn't out the music anymore. 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:02.480 After that. 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:04.680 It was about give me something that sounds like, what's 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:05.880 number one in the chart now? 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:10.280 You know. So I just sat in Atlanta like, damn, 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:13.040 I'm really broke, Like should I get a job? Like 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:14.240 where does this go? 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.480 You know? I just I just really didn't know, and 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.600 my royalties never came for any of my songs. Why 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:24.440 just never came? Fifty million records. To me, I made 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:26.320 about five hundred and forty million dollars for the labels. 1:07:26.320 --> 1:07:28.360 Never got my cut, Like when you got money, you 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.480 just be sitting like it'll, I guess it's coming, right, 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:38.040 never came. So I sat there in Atlanta and this 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.440 whole culture was shifting, and this new culture was emerging 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:48.800 with indie bands and EDM DJs. So that was my pivot. 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:53.280 After that I started. I met a guy named Junior Sanchez, 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:56.760 one of my really good friends, and Junior's house DJ, 1:07:57.160 --> 1:07:59.760 one of the best producers I've ever met, and just 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:05.120 had great relationships everywhere and the huge, huge audience like people, 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:08.760 He's a legend in that world. And I used to 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:11.240 make these pitch decks and I would call Sylvia in 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:14.360 LA and I say, hey, you know this em thing 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:16.120 is like we need to get you know, this ship 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:18.840 because this ain't this ain't our culture. This is they 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.800 took our house music and made it into something else, 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:27.840 and I wasn't really getting anywhere with it, and it 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.160 was weird. I would put Swedish house Mafia in my 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:33.960 pitch decks right because they were they were the case 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:37.040 study or in the genre, right, And I called La, 1:08:37.520 --> 1:08:39.880 and La was like, I don't know nothing about this stuff, 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:40.759 but I know it's huge. 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:42.080 I want I want to do the meeting. 1:08:42.120 --> 1:08:44.680 So I was hooking up a meeting between La Read 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:47.679 and Steve Angelo, who Junior introduced me to who Steve 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.160 Angelo is one of the members of Swedish House Mafia 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:53.439 and La was doing that TV show at the time, 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:56.679 American idol Or one of them, and they kept pushing 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.559 it back. So by the fourth time they pushed it back, 1:08:59.600 --> 1:09:01.880 I said, tell La, we're not gonna do the meeting, 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:04.519 but just let him know. Well, he brought my man 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:07.000 Jay in that building. J sold out the garden in 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:10.920 twenty five hours. These guys sold out of four minutes. Shit, 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:13.920 they were like real, was like, yeah, SEUs House Marfy 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:16.400 sold I shot out four minutes. So I left it 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:19.920 alone and it was an interesting thing. So Sweets and 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.479 House Mafi became the biggest band in the world at 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:25.280 one time, right, and then they just woke up one 1:09:25.320 --> 1:09:28.559 day and was like, what are we doing? Let's just 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:31.080 stop this ship and then he announced one last tour. 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:35.080 Sreetz House Marfi's over doing one last tour. So in 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:37.679 one last tour I went to the last show in Miami, 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:42.080 me Junior Maxwell was there. I met Steve Angelo, and 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:44.960 then I moved on with Steve worked for his company, 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.479 ran a management company, and then I became his co manager. 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:51.040 So now I'm in the EDM world. And yeah, the 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:53.400 private jets and the area they live a. 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:56.479 Whole different live game. 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.599 Yeah, and it's and it's a game that you have 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:03.559 to respet because they never needed radio for it. You know, 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:06.479 these guys forty million, seventy million dollars a year and 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:09.120 he never needed radio. So all the things we rely 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.400 on they didn't rely on. They just needed the Internet 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.519 and that was it. You know, million dollars to show 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:16.960 two million dollars. These guys are playing for two hours 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:20.839 making two hundred thousand a million, like it's nothing. 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:24.120 Yeah, yeah, it was. It was so that that was 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:25.439 that was where I pivoted to. 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:28.720 I pivoted to the end of that world because it 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:31.040 was I just couldn't get no hate from there. 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:33.960 You know, nobody could you in the dark. Yeah, you know, 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:35.599 and you're a new guy in that space. 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:37.920 I'm a new guy in there, nobody knew, but who's 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:41.000 also tenured, right exactly, You're new to the space. But 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:43.439 when they run your resume, they're like, oh and he 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:45.479 did and he did any oh, yes, he's supposed to 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:47.080 be here. H And I had, like I had friends 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:49.920 in Sweden that these guys grew up under that were 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:51.160 my friends from men tronic. 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:51.880 Man trying, you know what I mean. 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:55.000 So it was it was all like a full circle moment, 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:58.080 you know. I was the black tea guy every day. 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:00.559 That was my uniform, black tea for these guys. You know, 1:11:00.600 --> 1:11:03.320 if you if you came to a show, if you 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:05.120 were a barbera, a banker, whatever you were, you go 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:07.160 wear a black teeth to that show. Like you had 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:08.920 to dress like the Swedes. And I was a very 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:10.800 dressing like the sweet So this was perfect, you know, 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:14.360 and and it taught me. I did it because I 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:18.640 wanted to really understand how the business of that world works, 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:22.200 you know, how you can become such a big success 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:25.519 without the machines that we rely on, you know. And 1:11:25.560 --> 1:11:29.160 they and they what the label were they on? They 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:32.400 were on EMI. Okay, they were on EMI and now 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:36.799 they're on on Deaf Jam. But Steve, when they disbanded, Steve, 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:40.240 Steve was on no label. He was on his own label. 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:43.640 But but it was. It was interesting. Steve had I 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:47.080 ran the management company. We had a creative agency, like 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:50.519 a full on creative agency, and we would we literally 1:11:50.560 --> 1:11:53.400 were a full three sixty within this building. Like he 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:56.080 just got this gigantic office and we were full three sixty. 1:11:56.160 --> 1:11:58.760 So when he had an album coming, an album release 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:03.880 or a single release, the amount of creativity and intelligence 1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:07.799 that went into it was just like mind blowing, mind blowing. 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:11.240 And was this technically your first job in a sense 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:15.800 as an adult? Yeah, as an adult, yeah, yep, my 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:16.400 first job. 1:12:16.640 --> 1:12:19.000 It was It was six grand a month. Number one. 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:21.760 At that time, I was like I'll take this, yeah, 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:23.800 And number two, I was just getting a front row 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:26.599 seat to something that was just exploding all over the world. 1:12:26.920 --> 1:12:30.040 You know, that was completely different than the world we 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:33.640 came from. But bigger in a sense, yeah, you know, 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:35.559 much much bigger in a sense. 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.160 Yeah, it was. It was. It was a great education. 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:40.519 Did you stay in that world as far as like 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:44.200 taking on other artists in that space, No. 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:46.759 I stayed. I stayed in that world for a while. 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:50.719 And what happened was Steve's best friend and business partner, 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:53.439 they had a bit of a falling out and then 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:56.000 me and him got cool, and then we started being 1:12:56.000 --> 1:12:58.719 business partners and then we just went into all different 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:02.200 kinds of businesses after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that 1:13:02.360 --> 1:13:04.840 was yeah, that was that was a moment, That whole 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:06.760 Edim thing was definitely. 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:09.840 That was to me, that's being an artist. 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:11.599 I think it's cool. Being a producer cool. I think 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:12.960 that's the coolest job on the planet. 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:13.839 Yeah. 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:16.759 Yeah, I mean you make your music and these people 1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:18.280 pay for you to come and play. 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.200 And play your music. Yeah, it's that simple. 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:22.599 You get in a private jet, you do a couple 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:24.599 of edits on the laptop, and you walk in literally 1:13:24.600 --> 1:13:27.600 with a USB and plug that into the damn CDJs 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:28.080 and it. 1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:29.120 Runs for two hours. 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:31.800 Yeah, and they got some little with some little things 1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:34.400 to be going off the Yeah, the power Tier text 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:37.920 all that. Yeah, yeah, it's huge. It's it's it's a 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:41.280 it's a it's a different world. It's definitely a different world. 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.800 And as producers. One thing I did get out of 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:46.920 it on the music side, on the creative side was 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:50.240 I we taught myself how to produce, so I produced 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:55.360 like them because technically we cannot touch. DJ's are the 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:59.040 best producers on the planet. Absolutely by far. Yeah, by 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:03.040 far cheeko, yeah, by far, because they're doing all of 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:07.400 this in a box, right, you know, vocals, engineering, they're 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.439 mixing as they're making the music. It's just it's just 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:11.960 such a completely different skill set. 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:12.320 You know. 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:15.320 I've sat with producers and played them record and said, 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:17.880 how would you recreate it? And they and they and 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:20.599 they think they can until they actually try, and they 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:24.280 just don't understand. Yeah, how intricate it is. Yeah, it's 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:27.559 it's a it's a serious game as far as production. Yeah, 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:30.040 so that was that was that gave me a new 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:34.280 spark as far as a producer, where whenever I do 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:38.799 decide to go in the studio, my my my angle 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:41.599 and my my my entrance into it is completely different 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:42.519 than than the old me. 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:49.000 Yeah, way way way different. So what's next? Content? Okay? Content? 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:52.720 The one thing I did when I when my when 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:56.040 my money was messed up, was I just sat in 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:58.240 the house doing nothing for so long that I said 1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:00.400 I need, like I need some kind of ructually in 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:03.720 order to get back into the world. And when I 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:07.800 was younger, I had boxed twice in my life. I 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.200 did karate when I was really young. 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:12.520 My karate teacher. 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:15.960 Then actually lived on my block as well, and he 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:18.479 was one of the other people, Petro Molino, he's one 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.240 of the other people that I have a couple of 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:21.559 people that saved my life. 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:23.360 Right, he was one of them. 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:26.880 So I was always into fighting, and there was this, 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:29.680 you know, from a teenager. I was watching UFC from 1:15:29.760 --> 1:15:33.800 UFC one, and this whole Brazilian jiu jitsu movement came 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:36.800 and it got to the point where I was like, 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.559 number one, I want structure in my life. I need 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.639 to start something structures. I'm just feeling worthless. And number two, 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:45.519 I'm okay with my hands. But if I ever come 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:48.960 across somebody knows this, I don't want to. I don't 1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:51.320 want to be in that kindie water. It's different getting 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:57.000 knocked out than someone slowly breaking your arm or your 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:57.960 knee or choking on. 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.639 That's a complete different. That doesn't different. 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.080 Yeah, that's you're looking death in the eye, you know 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:07.000 what I mean? Yes, So, so I really that was 1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:08.800 my that was my motivation. I was like, let me 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:11.639 just do this. I started. I started like forty four, 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:15.120 forty five years old, which was crazy. I got being 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:18.800 there and they be like we talked on the mask like, yeah, 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:20.400 forty five. 1:16:20.800 --> 1:16:26.439 Bro, it's bros. She's forty you know, Bro, he's fucking old. 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:30.519 Bro is forty five years old? 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:35.240 As a white belt is is. It's traumatizing, it's exciting, 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:39.519 but it's it takes a lot of heart, it takes 1:16:39.520 --> 1:16:41.160 a lot of and you and you get you get 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:44.120 your ass beat every single day. It takes you six 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:47.960 to eight months for your mind to reconfigure to understand 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.240 what's going on. And for those six to eight months, 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:53.840 you're getting murdered, Like you're getting right murdered. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:56.839 You can't beat up nobody in the gym, yeah, anybody. 1:16:58.240 --> 1:17:00.960 You know, this guy's got knocked me and pigeon to 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:04.400 like he can't and he's killing you and y'all. It's 1:17:04.439 --> 1:17:06.920 just a discovery, you know. It's just a discovery of 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.160 a different level of information. 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:09.920 You know. 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:12.639 So I did that. I did that for five days 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:16.000 a week for eight years straight, eight years straight. I 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.439 did that five days a week, five days a week. 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:21.120 I just shut my mouth up. You me and my 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:23.160 partner had something going on. I'd make it to the 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:25.720 means and everything. But everybody knew twelve fifteen to two 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:29.040 o'clock he's gonna be training did that for eight years. 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:33.519 I'm on my eleventh twelfth year now, and about a 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:39.320 year ago a light bulb went off because I'm I'm 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.439 like a cultural snob. I think you are too, like 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.040 as like the level of music we did, Like we're 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:48.160 a laitist, you know what I'm saying. But it's not 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:50.639 like we're haters. We just want to show the world 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:54.080 out version, you know what I mean. So about two 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.839 years ago, I had this idea and I was talking 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:01.160 to us, talking to this girl I was actually my 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.880 partner of the podcast, and she said, well, you want 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:07.080 to address theatrical and performing the masculinity. 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:08.880 And I was like, that's what the fuck I want 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:09.320 to address? 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:13.080 Yes, that, so I wanted I'm doing a bunch of 1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:18.639 content stuff that are introducing combat culture, combat sports culture 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:21.559 into our culture, and also just confronting a lot of 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.880 the crap in our culture, a lot of the tough 1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:25.160 guy shit do we do. 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:25.559 And all of that. 1:18:27.000 --> 1:18:29.040 I really want to address a lot of that full 1:18:29.080 --> 1:18:31.840 on because I just think that it's it's we're so 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:34.640 lopsided in that sense that it's just dumb, you know, 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:36.559 like we were here when the culture was not about that, 1:18:37.040 --> 1:18:39.519 you know, so I want to kind of kind of 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:42.600 add a counter conversation and account of balance to it. 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:45.320 Besides the fact it's the fastest growing sport in the world, right, 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:48.160 you know not people are crazy about it. Yeah, they're 1:18:48.200 --> 1:18:48.960 crazy about it. 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:49.240 You know. 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:52.800 It's me it's the last gladiator sport honestly. Yeah, I mean, 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.680 it's this goes back into the olden days exactly, you 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:56.040 know what I mean. 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:59.200 And it changes lives. Yeah, it really. 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:01.880 I mean for me at that point when I had 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.920 no money, no hope, no nothing, that was the thing 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.599 that came through for me. That's what my camaraderie went through. 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.040 And I mean, and I've shared the mat with like 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:14.320 like real gangsters, like Navy seals, like Delta Force, like 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:17.000 real like people that really get up and do gangster 1:19:17.040 --> 1:19:19.559 shit every day whether they want to or not, because 1:19:19.600 --> 1:19:21.519 the President said, go do this, you know what I mean. 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:25.360 So that that alone, just that world, I think that 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:28.760 I think we are behind it. You know, there's a 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:30.960 couple of things that technology stuff like that that we're 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:31.400 behind him. 1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:31.639 Yeah. 1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:34.519 Within our culture, yeah, that we need to. We need 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:36.759 certain beacons to kind of catch us up on that stuff, 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:39.880 you know. And I think that white people are doing 1:19:40.320 --> 1:19:44.040 amime like black people did basketball, right, Like it's serious 1:19:44.040 --> 1:19:47.200 out there. Yeah, you know, it's really really serious. So 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:49.360 that's yeah, that's the new mission, just to really do that. 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:53.320 I got one more belt left. I might stop after that. 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:55.439 I don't even know, but you know, it's something that 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:58.320 you could do till you know, till you die. You know. 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.519 I see people that are seventy eight years old doing it, 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:03.960 you know. So that's that's where my passion is now. 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:07.559 I'm slowly going back into the studio. I just did 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:12.000 this song with Storms and Tyler. Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:15.400 But I just did that. I'm doing Lupe Fiasco doing 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:18.120 some stuff. Who want to kind of bring him back 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:21.160 to the radio spot now? So yeah, so it's cool. 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:24.000 I like now, I like, I like doing music now. 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:24.720 I don't need it to. 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:27.479 Survive, you know, it just feels better. 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:28.080 Yeah. 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.160 You know now that rat race is different. Yeah, it's 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:31.719 way different. 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:34.400 Yeah, yeah, it's it's and it's a young man's sport 1:20:34.720 --> 1:20:36.679 to me, it is, you know, it's a young man's 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:37.200 sport to do. 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:40.120 You know, the placements and all that stuff. I don't 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:41.280 got the energy for that. 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:52.200 Did you ever think of like being on the label 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.800 side or doing anything in that capacity. No, I mean 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:57.800 I've thought about it at times, but I don't think 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:59.559 I would ever get that position. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.680 But I don't know how long I would last in 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.120 that because I don't like for me. 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:07.920 Like, I only want to be involved with something that 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:11.000 pushes the culture forward. I can't just sit still and 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:16.160 just keep repeating, you know what's been done. You're not analytics, Yeah, 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:18.280 I don't. I don't think that's I don't think that's 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:21.120 a fun job. You know, Like we when we came 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:23.559 into this, it was all about everybody having the identity 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:26.680 and everybody adding something, you know, and that whatever that 1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:30.519 addition was push the ship forward. And now I don't 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:34.519 really see that desire with you know, within the labels 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:35.720 or any of that stuffs. 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:37.360 I just think we're in a weird spot. 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.120 So yeah, I think with the with the combat sports, 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:44.040 that's something that my heart is in and I think 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:46.800 that that's something that would falling so far behind, and 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.960 I don't mind trying to help that push that to. 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:52.120 The No bro's it's dope. 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:57.080 And you know, I'm always I'm always very supportive and 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:00.320 happy when when I speak to my peer years and 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:03.360 my people I consider family and they're like, yo, I 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.400 found something else that I really enjoy. Right, it doesn't 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:08.240 have to be the norm of what you know is 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:11.519 everyone is doing or everyone is chasing. You find what 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.080 you like to do, and you know what I mean, 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:18.880 Like even for me, you know, it's funny like people. 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:21.960 They're like, I didn't know the podcast Nigga Cold. 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:23.000 Say. 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:29.000 Yes, it's interesting, right, I'm like, yeah, actually I kind 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:31.559 of came from that exactly, and I'm known for this 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:34.320 now and yeah, but I'm I'm appreciated it because I 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:35.360 really enjoy this space. 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:38.000 I really enjoyed the multi media space and the content 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:42.520 space and giving something different for me personally. 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:45.000 You've been a star, thank your whole life. So a 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:45.680 star is a star. 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:47.400 You know what I'm saying. If you was on Fries, 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:51.920 you're still a star. You're just like, yeah, exactly, it's 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:55.519 a star. Yeah, a little on that thing it's out there. 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:57.720 A star is a star. You've always been a star. 1:22:58.840 --> 1:22:59.080 You know. 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:01.240 It's funny with you because you've always been a star. 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:07.800 It's always low key but against no family. Nobody knows 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:11.760 that though, but they started it's getting out. 1:23:12.160 --> 1:23:12.680 I got it. 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:14.799 I got to interview you because he got a history 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:18.880 history history, Like the pretty boy thing is that afterthought, 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:21.320 that's just you know, that's what God gave him. 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:22.920 That is what it is. But you know, you've just 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:25.680 always been a solid dude man, always that. 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:29.479 I've always been intentional about about that, man about you know, 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:32.240 I show I always want to show up for my people. 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:34.800 I want my word to be my word. 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:39.280 Yeah, and you know, I feel like it's it's sustained 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:43.200 me through this, through this business that isn't always as 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:44.880 people would say, isn't always real. 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:45.320 Yeah. 1:23:45.600 --> 1:23:48.519 Yeah, I found the real spaces in it for me, 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:52.679 and I found the people who I consider real, and 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:54.639 I try to stay as locked in with them as 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:56.760 I can. You know, even if it's you know, we 1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:58.920 may not talk for you know, whatever amount of time, 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:02.320 but when we do it, it's always the same type 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:06.479 of love and respect. And I don't care what you know, 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:08.680 quote unquote business I'm supposed to be in. 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:13.200 I'm going to operate that way. Yeah, I don't get business. 1:24:13.320 --> 1:24:14.120 Yeah, that's why I. 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:16.920 Was working for you. You your relationships are from when 1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:20.880 you were young, and yeah, it's it's just paying off now. 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:22.760 Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but this is this 1:24:22.800 --> 1:24:26.120 is the vibration you set as a very young man, 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.519 and you're just walking into your own vibration that you set. 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.000 That's all it is. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying. 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:35.680 And it's great. Now I'm enjoying myself, Bro, Like I am. 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.519 I really am, and I and I you know, I 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:40.280 want to I want to put this light on people 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:43.080 that I know, not even that I think that I 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:47.520 know deserves, you know, to have this light. And it's 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:50.160 been it's been a hell of a ride for me, man, 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:54.640 and experience that I'm super thankful for, you know what 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:54.920 I mean. 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:56.840 I'm super thankful to the people. 1:24:56.560 --> 1:25:00.880 Who tune in and are interested and who I think 1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:04.360 and we think should sit down and have these conversations, 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:07.080 you know what I mean, because Bro, so many of 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:09.559 us that have been a part of this thing that 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:13.559 sometimes don't always get the opportunity to have that light 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:16.639 shined on them. And for me, man, you know, that's 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:19.120 something I want to be a part of. No, absolutely, 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:22.640 And having a place where people you've known for a 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.920 long time that really really message you, to have them 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:27.559 tell their stories, it's like that's gold. 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:29.160 Yeah, that's gold. Yeah. 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:31.280 Yeah, Now, this is really a lot of these are 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.360 me catching up with my friends. And that's that's really it. 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:33.519 Man. 1:25:33.560 --> 1:25:36.040 We talked about this before we start filming it. 1:25:36.080 --> 1:25:40.080 You know, ninety probably ninety to ninety five percent of 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:42.639 the guests on this show are really my personal friends, yep, 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:46.439 exactly up until this point, you know. And that's and 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:50.240 some people who've come after we met through this have 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:52.960 become exactly my friends, you know what I mean, And 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:56.840 people that I really really enjoy and have great relationships 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.680 with now from this show. So now, bro, this is 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:03.280 this is a really cool thing man. And I'm man, 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:05.080 I'm man. I'm happy if you pulled up on me, Bro, 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:07.479 like I'm happy to be here. This is this is 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:08.120 super cool. 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:10.880 Man. But let's let's get into some of this music thing. 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:11.040 Man. 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:14.360 Let's let's uh, you know, get into this, get into 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:15.639 this music that Tank sent over. 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:18.120 Man. So come on, let play you something real quick. 1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:21.280 We gotta we gotta see your thoughts. 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:26.360 Yeah, you top fun. 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:47.000 You already before you go there wrong this. 1:26:47.080 --> 1:27:16.920 Showbody want to know. I'm mad too, Ain't no joke? 1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:26.960 Oh wow, okay, nigga, don't got no sense, man, crazy 1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:31.720 as hell. Man. Before we get into this though. Did 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:35.360 you produce the record that he was in the video 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:35.600 for it? 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:36.320 For Sarissa? 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:44.320 No, Man, I forgot. I forgot about there because I 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:47.960 don't y'all had that that. Yeah, why I played the 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:51.760 dud and he played the stuff. Yes, I forgot all 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:55.360 about the take a video ho too, Bro, That damn Jimmy, 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:58.880 I tell you boy, that's another one I stepped into. 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:00.599 I ain't quite know what the hell was going on 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:01.960 until I got in there. 1:28:01.960 --> 1:28:03.080 I was like, Oh, I'm the dud. 1:28:03.760 --> 1:28:05.360 I'm the one knocking on the door and she don't 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:08.200 answer and she in there with Tank with the muscles. 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:12.240 He said, I forgot about that. 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:15.080 I just started to bringing up. Yeah, you know, we 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:17.559 all together, bro, we all yeah, you know we all 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:17.920 been there. 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:18.960 Yeah, all been there, man. 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:22.040 So yeah, let's let's get into the music man. Top 1:28:22.120 --> 1:28:27.000 five R and B singers male and female. Whatever you 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:32.720 top five for you, R Kelly Chaos, k C Dead, 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:38.000 her alive, older, young, whatever come to your mind, Brother, 1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:40.880 Donny Hathaway for Sures. 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:47.519 I gotta cool Little Left. Bob Bob Marley, Absolutely, I 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:48.479 love Bob Marley. 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:48.680 Bro. 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:51.280 The world is still catching up to his message. Yes, 1:28:51.720 --> 1:28:54.080 so gotta be him. I'm trying to go people that 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:58.679 were like really like like slap me in the face artists. 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:02.840 I gotta say Casey, but you said Casey. Yeah I did. 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:04.720 Did you say Casey because you said Kell's first and 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:05.400 then you said Casey? 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:13.040 Hey, Kel's Casey. Donny Hathaway, Donny Hathaway. We got Sonanda 1:29:13.320 --> 1:29:17.000 my Trea know that is I don't. 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:21.960 That's Terrence Trent Darby. Is that his? Yes? 1:29:24.160 --> 1:29:27.000 Boo, that's the name he changed. That's that's his real 1:29:27.280 --> 1:29:29.840 the new name he's got. He's had what twenty years? 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:30.799 Fifteen twenty years? 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:37.280 Yeah? Son your name? Oh man, that dude did incredible. 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:38.920 It's incredible. 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:42.680 James Brown, he's everybody. Yeah he's Yeah, I would, I 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:43.920 would say him. 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:48.720 Yeah, Yeah, he's nice. Okay, Yeah, Top five R and 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:49.439 B songs. 1:29:49.840 --> 1:29:55.240 Anything off of Diary of a Mad Band? Okay, Okay, 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:56.719 who's that Tony record? 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:00.280 Should have Brought You Home? Yeah? Love that. 1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:05.720 That's a great song. Yeah, anything by Guy. I mean 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:09.880 you were studying it for thing that that tell you? 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:15.599 Riley isof Hee had the Goodbye record by Guy? That 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:17.240 one I Don't want to leave you? 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:24.599 Yeah? Yeah, that one there for all we know Donny 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.719 Hathaway the most patient record. 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:32.320 Yes, it's very hard to recreate that R to even 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:35.479 sing it with him because of the timing. Yeah, in 1:30:35.520 --> 1:30:40.640 the pocket that he has on that song, yeah, is insane. Yeah, yeah, 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:44.800 definitely for all we know. And Sonando Maitrea, he's got 1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:46.280 a song called if You Go Before Me. 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:47.880 I like death songs for some reason. 1:30:48.360 --> 1:30:50.679 Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean think about when were younger, 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:54.600 those were those were the songs I'll die for you. Yeah, 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:56.479 I like them kind of songs. I like the owl 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:56.960 die for you. 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:00.880 That's real emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, take it to the 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:05.160 grave songs. So yeah, if yet, yeah, if you Go 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:07.040 before Me? To None in my chair, that one. 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:11.680 Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna throw Prince I would die for 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:15.120 You and there like one. 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:16.519 Yeah that's right. 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:22.400 Yeah yeah, I like them joints. Yeah, okay, all right, okay, 1:31:22.439 --> 1:31:25.760 So now we're going to build the ultimate R and 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.960 B singer. We have a thing called the Voltron and 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:36.920 it's the vocals stage performance styling the drip whore gonna 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:39.479 put the flyshit on and the passion of the artists. 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:43.400 I'm gonna start with the vocals, who vocal you. 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:48.320 Taking for the for the superhero, ultimate R and B singer. 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:49.880 Who gonna sing those songs? 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:53.800 You know what I'm gonna say, Babyface? Hm hmm, I'm 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:57.080 gonna say baby Face. Okay, yeah, well. 1:31:57.240 --> 1:32:00.200 People watch the show. No, that Babyface is like top 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:00.840 the top for me. 1:32:00.920 --> 1:32:03.000 So yeah, I'm gonna say, okay, so baby Face the 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:07.479 singer performance performance style, who's gonna who's gonna. 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:09.080 Kill the stage? Oh? 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:16.479 Kelly Man listen o Kelly. Kelly had a mishow live 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:23.800 shows so crazy, crazy and theatrical, Yes, yes, all of 1:32:23.800 --> 1:32:26.000 it and obviously yeah, you know, just hits after hits 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:29.280 after hits too, like it's yeah, he's got a presence 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:31.240 and the way that he used to put his shows 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:37.280 together with the costume everything, Yeah, he felt like stage place. 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:40.920 Yeah exactly, yep. Okay, styling, who're gonna put the fly 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:43.320 shit on? Who's a fly artist to you? 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:44.479 Damn it? 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:48.880 I left him out in the old list, Joe, But 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:50.280 I'm not gonna say him for style? 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.839 Okay, but he's on. He's your vocalist. 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:56.240 Vocalist hell yeah, top five RMB singers, yes, yes, for sure, 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:57.839 no argument. Style. 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:00.680 I'll go with all Kelly, which version. 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:04.560 Know, like like with the the little mask. 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:08.040 No no, no, no no hell no no no no. 1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:12.000 Like cool, not the not the baggy suit, like the 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:15.639 like the black leather blazer. What about the mink though, 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:17.280 when he when he had the mink on on the cover. 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:22.240 You didn't fix that. So yeah, yeah that song. Yeah okay, 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:24.640 so so so Kels get he gonna get the he 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:27.680 get to performing style and the style and yeah and 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:31.080 the look okay, but but not the mask absolutely okay, cool, 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:37.519 not the master, he seats none of them. Who who 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:40.320 has the passion? Like, who's gonna make you feel it? 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:43.000 Who you who you think would die for this ship? 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:48.920 Who would die for it? I'm gonna get home and 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:53.160 be pissed because the real ass is gonna come. But 1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:54.800 that's how it goes. You. You know, you were you 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:56.080 were supposed to prepare, you didn't. 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:56.840 But it's it's okay. 1:33:56.880 --> 1:33:57.360 You're my brother. 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:59.519 I know. I tried. I did try. I did try. 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:02.800 That's the that's the one I skipped all this year, 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:03.439 fucked up on. 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:04.360 Yeah exactly. 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:07.360 That was overwhelming the vote trying like that. 1:34:07.479 --> 1:34:11.080 The fuck that's overwhelming passion. You know what, I'm gonna 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:15.240 go super level passion. I'm gonna go soul left this one. 1:34:15.720 --> 1:34:19.040 I'm gonna go super left. You're gonna look at me crazy, okay, 1:34:19.360 --> 1:34:23.680 Jeral LeVert, No I'm not okay, No, I'm not used 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:26.680 to roll on the floor. Yeah, come on, bro, this 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:27.479 is me though. 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:30.679 He lived it, lived it, lived it, lived it, legend 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:31.600 of legends. 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:36.400 Yes, yeah, come from Yes that's Eddie Son, Yes, that's 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:39.479 Eddie Son. Yeah it lose five pounds on that stage. 1:34:39.560 --> 1:34:42.479 Jerrold was not all right, not playing yeah, and not 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:44.280 big as he and as big as he got in 1:34:44.320 --> 1:34:46.200 his career, he still had the same passion. 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:49.240 Yeah. Yeah. If you talk the tank, Tank will tell 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:49.479 you that. 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:53.639 It was Jeryl LeVert who told him, yep, no, no, no, no, 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:56.720 young fella, you got to give you all. 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:01.439 Yeah, you give it all, your all. Yeah. He checked 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:03.200 me a couple of times, call me Hollywood. I was like, 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.960 I would call me Hollywood, nigga, Hollywood. But I said, 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:09.479 it was like, is he right? Yeah, he ain't no joke. 1:35:09.600 --> 1:35:11.280 You got Hollywood on Derald a couple of times. 1:35:11.360 --> 1:35:13.920 No, No, I didn't get Hollywood on him, but he 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:15.640 but he But I felt it though, you know what 1:35:15.640 --> 1:35:18.479 I'm saying. I felt it. Though Gerald had the presence 1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:20.200 that he was twenty years older than you when he wasn't, 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:24.920 so he just had that that father president right right, yeah, yeah, 1:35:25.040 --> 1:35:25.479 all right. 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:29.720 And then for you, who's gonna produce this artist? 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:33.640 I got that? Are you producing it? No? Absolutely not? 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:34.800 I got it. 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:40.439 I got it. And it's not Kels. Who does baby 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:41.080 Face look up to? 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:46.960 Jimmy, Jammy j Lewis, no El the bar Oh yeah, 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:48.439 so you're gonna have l produce it. 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:49.200 Absolutely. 1:35:49.800 --> 1:35:52.719 Nobody knows what to do with them, but El eld 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:56.360 the Barge one thousand percent. Wow, that is the genius 1:35:56.439 --> 1:36:02.400 right there, that Dudel the Barge Eldridge. Yeah, creatively, spiritually 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:07.519 and just gift wise, yeah, gift wise, he's he's yeah. No, 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:10.840 to this day, to this day, he's so different. Yeah, 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:16.320 he's different. I watched we had him and Tank did 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:21.519 a did a show together in Vegas a few years 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:26.519 back and had some family members there with us, and 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:34.439 we watched in awe, in awe. I want to say, 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:36.200 it might have been for might have been for something 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:38.120 that d Nights had. It might have been it might 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:40.240 have been one of the club quarantine shows or something, 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:41.720 and we were just like. 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:47.200 This, yeah, nah, he ain't na. 1:36:48.680 --> 1:36:53.280 Yeah, he is cold still to this day, effortless cold, 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:54.400 like he's easy. 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:56.439 And you know he got on the piano, you know 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:58.360 he played. Yeah, He's like, come on. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:01.719 Bro, you are the cheek you know he he he's 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:02.880 his bop is this way too. 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:05.280 Everything is here exactly, everything is here. 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:09.120 He got the time listen. Yeah's like he got a time. Yeah. 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:10.839 It feels good to me. Yeah. 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:13.600 And in conversation he'll drop something spiritual on you that 1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.000 are just like fuck your whole life out. Yeah, like 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:20.240 he was just like he's he's deep and I'm. 1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:22.080 Still I'm still trying to get L to pull up L. 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:25.200 You told me, yeah he needs to you were gonna 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:30.720 pull up L randomly will text me or really at 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:33.280 one in the morning and when we're setting up with 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:38.720 the interview, really whenever you want to it. I ain't 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:40.519 got one that text in a minute, but like I'll 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:42.800 be like, bro, whenever you want to pull up to 1:37:42.840 --> 1:37:44.760 get him on here you have whatever you. 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:45.320 Want to pull up? 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:48.840 Oh gee, I got you. 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:52.639 Yeah, but yeah, L, what episode do you want? Man? 1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:53.240 I don't know. 1:37:56.800 --> 1:38:02.200 Mad episode please? That would love hundred. Yeah, he's that 1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:05.880 dude right there. He's he's he's he's alien. Yeah, yeah, 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:08.960 he's he's something else. Now it's a covot trying bro. Yeah, 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:10.840 all right, we got something else for you, man, before 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:12.000 you know, before you get out of here. 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:22.479 Ain't saying no nature, saying no names, saying no names. 1:38:24.280 --> 1:38:26.240 What you did, don't say? 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:39.400 I said, yeah, so we didn't come to a very 1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:41.960 important part of the show. Brother, Okay, will you tell 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:45.800 us a story funny or fucked up? Or funny and 1:38:45.880 --> 1:38:46.400 fucked up? 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:47.120 Okay? 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:50.080 The only route to the game, mister Bryce Wilson. You 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:50.960 can't say no name. 1:38:51.080 --> 1:38:53.760 I got one, oh quick? Oh okay, I got one? 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:54.839 All right, Okay. 1:38:55.520 --> 1:39:03.240 So I'm in New York and I dropped yeah at 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:07.240 forgot the name of it, but name studio back, brother, 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:12.040 that's I dropped my friends. 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.120 I dropped my two hoes homie studio. 1:39:14.320 --> 1:39:17.400 Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, drop my two homies off at 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:20.559 the other homie studio. Right. They say, you're coming up 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:23.280 like no in the car. Have an artist with me, 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:28.200 and it's kind of like we're an energy. So I'm 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:28.920 just leaning on my. 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:32.719 Window outside listening to music music, soul time. I'm listening 1:39:32.720 --> 1:39:35.639 to a Neil soul singer. 1:39:35.760 --> 1:39:39.519 I'm listening to right and I'm like, you know, I 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:41.720 just bopped my head in my own world, and I'm 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:42.759 getting tired of the energy. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.360 So I'm like, yo, let me. 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:53.360 Take you the hotel. The artist is yeah, that's good, okay. 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:54.599 I don't know. 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:58.040 There's an attitude ten. I don't know right, I just 1:39:58.040 --> 1:40:01.519 ain't got time for right now. It's drizzling. New York 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:07.360 City is dark outside. The strangest thing happens. I get 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:11.400 to the block. I make a left turn and I had. 1:40:15.439 --> 1:40:23.719 Real light. Now look, my doors cracked and my car's empty. 1:40:25.800 --> 1:40:26.360 I don't know. 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:32.120 I don't know, but Batman was in my car. I 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:35.599 can't say no names. But when I turned that corner, 1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:38.920 I heard the wind. This person just hopped out, hopped 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:42.839 out in the rain, in the drizzle while I was moving. 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:47.200 You hadn't stopped. I didn't stop, so stop dropping rope. 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.040 I don't know if they tucked and rolled, if there 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:52.679 was a cable, I have no idea there was a cable. 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.439 I don't know he was driving the bus. But I 1:40:55.479 --> 1:40:59.400 heard the wind. I made the turn. I heard the wind. 1:40:59.479 --> 1:41:02.360 I looked from patch to seat. 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:05.680 It was empty, and my door was cracked, and I 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:09.000 leaned out and I closed the door and I went 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:11.479 around like five blocks about five times. 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:13.280 Is you trying to find them? Yeah? 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:15.000 I looked on this side of the street, went around 1:41:15.040 --> 1:41:16.960 and looked on this side Winter Street, and then I 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:19.720 gave up. But that was a feat. That was a 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:23.080 feat that to this day, I have no idea how 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:26.240 that happened. But yeah, just like, did you ever speak 1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:30.280 to said artists again? Yeah, but never never talked. But 1:41:30.320 --> 1:41:33.479 they were okay, Oh they were fine. Yeah, still were fine. 1:41:33.640 --> 1:41:35.719 They were fine. They made it to their hotel and everything. 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:36.000 It was. 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:37.720 It was, yeah, it was just weird, felt a little 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:41.599 first forty eight ish man. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. Huh. Yeah, 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:44.479 And so you've never talked to this artist about that? Never? 1:41:45.160 --> 1:41:47.800 It was too strange. I don't even know how to like, 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:51.639 is weird? And you can fly that's the next time 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:54.120 you see it. So you know that time you flew 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:56.439 out my car, Yeah it was. It was a batman move. 1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:59.200 I just heard a little bit of wind and by 1:41:59.240 --> 1:41:59.680 the time I. 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:01.440 Heard him, a little bit of wind. 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:04.320 Calls empty yep. And my two homeboys that dropped off 1:42:04.360 --> 1:42:06.360 did not believe me. And I'm like I'm telling you, 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:10.000 I made a turn, that's all I did, and. 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:12.879 Gone, wow. 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:19.120 Yeah, huh okay, because we're gonna we're gonna bleep the 1:42:19.200 --> 1:42:25.799 names you said. But this is that's a wild story. Yeah, 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:27.599 that's a that's a what the fuck? 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:30.400 Yeah that was? What the fuck was that? Yeah? 1:42:30.520 --> 1:42:35.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have no idea how they exited 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:35.759 the vehicle. 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:38.639 I didn't even hear. I didn't even hear the feet 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:40.599 hit the ground. That's what was crazy. Like, I didn't 1:42:40.600 --> 1:42:42.920 hear the feet hit the I heard nothing. Win. I 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:45.439 just heard when that was it and they were gone 1:42:45.479 --> 1:42:46.439 by that time. Gone. 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:49.680 Yeah that's wow, bro. Yeah, that's why I don't know 1:42:49.720 --> 1:42:52.000 what part of the turn the escape was. I have 1:42:52.080 --> 1:42:56.720 no idea they escape. Yeah, I have no idea they was. 1:42:56.760 --> 1:42:59.640 They didn't want to ride with you no more, Broy didn't. 1:43:00.000 --> 1:43:02.360 I was in there, I was, I was dropping them off. 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:05.320 It's like, you know, it's like, yeah, nah, sick of 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:08.599 this ship. Yeah. He was like, I'm good, okay, good move, 1:43:08.760 --> 1:43:13.160 wow bro, well pleaded. Yeah, Hey man, thank you again, Bro, 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:15.280 thanks for having me brother. This is this has been 1:43:15.320 --> 1:43:17.960 incredible for me. Man, me too, my brother for real. 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:18.240 Man. 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:23.360 Man definitely I'm Jay Valentine, this Sprice Wilson, and this 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:25.080 is the Army Money Podcast. 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:26.320 I see y'all next week.