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Speaker 1: On R and D Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jay Valentine and this is the R and B

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Speaker 3: Money Podcast.

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Speaker 1: And today.

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Speaker 3: I got one of my good brothers, Ah, somebody that

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Speaker 3: really gave me a lot of game, and I just

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Speaker 3: want to put it out there. He's the reason I'm

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Speaker 3: a video ho the man trying to himself. He's been

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Speaker 3: making y'all high for a long time, and hopefully he

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Speaker 3: tells me some really cool shit today.

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Speaker 1: My brother Bryce Wilson, my guy, Hey man, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. I've been waiting for you to pull up

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Speaker 1: on me, dog man. I've been waiting to come on

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Speaker 1: here man, you know.

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Speaker 3: Because I know you don't talk to everybody. I do

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Speaker 3: not I know, man, And that's when I first hit you.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I could feel it's hesitant. I'm his brother,

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Speaker 3: so he gonna know that I was. I ain't on

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Speaker 3: no bullshit. Absolutely, hey man, we're gonna kick this off.

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Speaker 3: We starts off before we tell the story your story.

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Speaker 3: So Bryce Wilson I meet and we just had We

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Speaker 3: were kindred spirits from the beginning, right. It was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, the quote unquote pretty boy niggas who from

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Speaker 3: a dark place exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's the best way I could put it, exactly. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, me.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny, bro, because when we first met, I

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Speaker 3: would just pull up on your sessions.

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Speaker 1: I would just come pull up on you, man, come

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Speaker 1: hang out, just hang out. People that know me know

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Speaker 1: that I don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I gotta really fuck with you if I'm

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Speaker 3: just pulling up and it ain't about nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And one night I'm like, big, bro, wow.

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Speaker 3: This request came my way, man, and I think you

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Speaker 3: would understand this. I'm like, man, my homegirl, new artist.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard about her, Kisha Cold.

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Speaker 3: She asked me to be her video ho yep. And

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm asking you because you've been one exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's an elite club.

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Speaker 1: What you said to me too.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, bro, I'm about to say no. I

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Speaker 3: don't think I want to be in no videos.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, nah, you got to gotta do it.

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Speaker 3: Gotta do it, and I trusted your opinion of it

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Speaker 3: so much, and I'm like, okay, that's what I needed.

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Speaker 3: I needed my dog to tell me like, nah, bro,

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Speaker 3: you should do it, because you could have told me too,

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Speaker 3: Like listen that video, bro, and it just it fucks

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Speaker 3: some shit up.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, it wasn't right for me and does surprisingly

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Speaker 1: well for you. It did.

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Speaker 3: It won't go away. It won't, bro, especially not the Internet.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the Internet I am. I am a meme, yep,

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Speaker 3: I am. You know somebody will be like I've seen

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Speaker 3: something that since one one somebody posted and it was

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Speaker 3: like this if if he looked like this, this is

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Speaker 3: he gonna cheat on you. I'm like, what, Like I

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Speaker 3: was just in the video rag on every nigga to

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Speaker 3: do rag gee exactly exact you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, Bro, you're the You're the reason why

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Speaker 3: I ultimately said, yeah they're doing that video. Yeah, those

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Speaker 3: are you know, it's like that's not that's not really

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Speaker 3: our personality type, right, but you know, when it's done,

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Speaker 3: it represents a moment in history. Yes, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, forever stamped. Yeah in that video, and I mean, shit,

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Speaker 3: Kanye produced the record John legends in the video like

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Speaker 3: it's random things that are happening. Yeah in that video, man,

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Speaker 3: And you know obviously Keisha went on to become a

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Speaker 3: legend and yeah, I'm forever etched.

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Speaker 1: In yeah in that story. Yeah yeah man.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, bro, I just I had to He's

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Speaker 3: still available for more.

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Speaker 1: No, you're young and check them. No, I don't want

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be in nobody else's video. I

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Speaker 1: haven't been asked. Yeah, and I've said no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get I don't think I got paid

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Speaker 3: for that video either.

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Speaker 1: So I'm still still waiting on Manny Hailey. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: ma me get that paid. Come on Many that gig too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They hung out with Keisha and she was like, Yo,

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Speaker 3: you should manage me and I don't. Something was going

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Speaker 3: on with with with the management company means and we

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Speaker 3: have we just had a lot going on. And she

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Speaker 3: was like this guy man, I was like Many from

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn all right, So I took out to eat called

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Speaker 3: Manny put him together.

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Speaker 1: It was like he's gonna be a manager. Wow. Yeah

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Speaker 1: yeah I didn't know that. Yeah, yep, look how it

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Speaker 1: all so?

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Speaker 3: Okay? You were playing it there to tell me to

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Speaker 3: do the video. See it's making Noah, oh this whole No.

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Speaker 3: I just got your mihndset. I knew your mindset because

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Speaker 3: you know I've been there and that you know I

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Speaker 3: do videos I ain't want to do. And then it

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Speaker 3: ends up having that cultural currency where it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this this ain't you know, this ain't so bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know it works out all right, So okay, let's

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Speaker 3: let's get to it now. Man, Young Brice, New York City.

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Speaker 3: Give me, give me a little bit of how this

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Speaker 3: whole thing kicked off. Bro, the whole thing for me

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Speaker 3: kicked off. I grew up between three boroughs, right. I

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Speaker 3: it was like I'm dating myself. But it was like

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Speaker 3: when hip hop was just starting to, you know, like

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Speaker 3: right before the crack era came. And man, I heard

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Speaker 3: and I just I just kept evolving like into what

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do. I wanted to be Rozelle from

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Speaker 3: the roots. He was I think Roselle. He's from Harlem

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Speaker 3: or the Bronx. But he moved to the corner of

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Speaker 3: my block. I had literally the best beat box on

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Speaker 3: the planet living up the street, right, So he's beatboxing.

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Speaker 3: He's older than me, and I'm just like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I ended up going to the school I wanted to.

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Speaker 3: The high school I wanted to go to. They had

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Speaker 3: an aviation program and they didn't take me. So there

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Speaker 3: was you want to be a pilot? Yeah, just just

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Speaker 3: all of just like last minute. I didn't know what

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Speaker 3: do that. They didn't accept me. And it was a

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Speaker 3: high school near my aunt's house in Jamaica, Queens that

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Speaker 3: it looked it just looked beautiful, and from a child

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Speaker 3: being in the backseat to that car with them in Brooklyn, Queens,

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Speaker 3: Manhattan wherever, that was just one of those iconic pictures,

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Speaker 3: this beautiful school. So my mother last me, it was like,

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Speaker 3: you want to go there? I was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: let me do that. So how are you at this point? Fourteen? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so use my aunt's address. I go, and this shit

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Speaker 3: ended up being gladiated school. Like literally out of all

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Speaker 3: five boroughs, we were number four in crime rate. So

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Speaker 3: my school was the testing ground for every measure of security.

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Speaker 3: Picture id's task force were like six five sixty nine.

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Speaker 3: Security were basically bounces right hopping out of vans on

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Speaker 3: you first school in New York City.

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Speaker 1: They have metal detectives like this. This shit was crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the this is the school from Juice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Like I look at lean

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Speaker 3: on me, it's a joke, Like this school was really

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Speaker 3: like this school was it was. It was gladiated school.

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Speaker 3: So I go there not knowing what it was, and

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Speaker 3: it's like you got to figure it out, like you

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Speaker 1: The other side. And I went there and I was.

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Speaker 3: I was a victim for the first month, and then

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Speaker 3: by the second, going to the third month, I started

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Speaker 1: I started. It wasn't in my neighborhood. I was kind

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Speaker 3: And I met a good friend of mine, Jeff Shier,

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Speaker 3: and he was from the hood. So he took me

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Speaker 1: And by month six they were doing a lot of

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Speaker 3: They've changed the name of the school fifteen times. It's

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Speaker 3: just never worked. But the principal basically they put together

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Speaker 3: task force. They put together list, and I made that list,

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Speaker 3: and when you're on that list, they did a sweep

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Speaker 3: and you out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But and this is within six months. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I was out by January. I was out right. The

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Speaker 3: problem is, so my mother takes me shopping, right, and

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Speaker 3: this is January. We go shopping in September for the

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Speaker 3: school and that's it. January she take me shopping. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: this is cool. So I'm looking like this is like

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Speaker 3: all my friends from the hood where because they always fly.

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Speaker 3: Good niggas always fly, of course, right, they do nothing

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Speaker 3: in school, but their parents make sure they fly.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, ah, she gets it now, she gets it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like she gets it. Cool, So you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: feeling good. Next morning she comes to me and she's like, see,

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Speaker 3: you know you're good. You okay, you like your clothes

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I love it. She said, cool,

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Speaker 3: because you gotta go. I can't do this, you gotta go.

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Speaker 1: I was like what.

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Speaker 3: So at the same time she does this, the next week,

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Speaker 3: I get swept right, So now I'm kicked out the school.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck to do.

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Speaker 3: And then I find out that once you get kicked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so do they let you back in school now? Though?

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Speaker 3: Now you didn't fix your grade, you got all everybody

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Speaker 3: When you get back to New York, what's your what's like,

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Speaker 3: So the guy sleeping bag was kind of hating on it. Okay, bro,

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Speaker 3: you can marriage me whatever. He was trying to sign

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Speaker 3: But I'm on course to graduate. You're still handling your business,

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Speaker 3: but you're into some shit.

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Speaker 3: And I get a call and it's like Bryce Doyn like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm like nah. He's like, I'm a lawyer for Curtis

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, how's he doing. He's like, well, I

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Speaker 3: And everything changed from there. Got my first record deal

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Speaker 3: before I graduated. Yeah, their phone call changed everything. Do

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Speaker 3: you remember what you signed for?

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Speaker 1: Like the advance? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The advance was fifty grand okay, and I think it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 3: Only got ten of it. I got a limo from

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Speaker 3: No this they got your forty on. Oh I didn't

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Speaker 3: understand none of this. Ship Okay, so you did actually

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Speaker 3: just like there was Yeah, you want a limo for

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Speaker 3: so it's your limo. Yeah we did. We did a

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Speaker 3: a trip to Europe. Right, it's time out bro business

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Speaker 3: though on Mentronic's business right like promo? Shit.

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Speaker 3: I get a suit for twelve thousand dollars. But I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no idea that this is coming out

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Speaker 3: Before it even reaches my pocket, you had a blank check.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I was. I thought I thought this

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Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, I'll take two of those Yeah exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I had I had to deal before I

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Speaker 1: At seventeen. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so did your And obviously at that point your

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Speaker 1: She did. Yeah, I had to go through the courts

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Speaker 3: So seventeen and as this is happening, you also you're homie.

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Speaker 1: You see him become the biggest star in the world. Cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Don't understand how massive, how massive that dude was. It's

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Speaker 3: the best way to put its massive.

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Speaker 1: Massive, Like he was an event.

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Speaker 3: Everybody wanted to cano. Yeah, niggas start doing push ups. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like yo, eal bro, Yeah he was. He was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, dude, he was next level. And he just

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Speaker 3: Do you stay, are you still in contact with him

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Speaker 3: or it's like you just see him now I'm watching him.

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Speaker 3: So what I did was in the school I had,

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Speaker 3: his mother probably three or four times a week. But

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Speaker 3: he's out on the road. Room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he on the road. He on the road.

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Speaker 3: And then I spoke to him one day he was

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Speaker 3: two dollars. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's over

436
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 3: them two dollars. Yeah, it was. It was. It was

437
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 3: a financial struggle getting in touch with that dude. And

438
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 3: then I got in touch with him, and he just

439
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 3: kind of broke my heart, like, nah, you can't come

440
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: on the.

441
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: Roll with me. Oh you asked to come out.

442
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, nigga, rescue me, Like, bro, I'm

443
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: in the country, Like you gotta get me at it, yo.

444
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 3: They was calling me crush groove, all kind of wash.

445
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, you come from New York, You mad arrogant too.

446
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: So h it was. It was a culture, and I'm

447
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 3: sure they didn't believe that that was your homeboy. No,

448
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: They're like, you don't fucking know. They didn't believe that.

449
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 3: They didn't like my attitude. I didn't like what was

450
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: going on down there.

451
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: It was.

452
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: It took me. Took me two years to like be

453
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 3: comfortable around the Atlanta scene and be in be cool people,

454
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: you know, I had to do. I had like a

455
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 3: team of like thirty forty New York dudes that I

456
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: rocked with, and we would just you know, we you know,

457
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 3: we get into it with the dudes in Atlanta and

458
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 3: all that I learned quick. It's like prison in a sense,

459
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: like you're from here, Okay, you gotta you sit at

460
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: that table. Yeah it was, Yeah, it was. It was

461
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: a lot. Atlanta was. Atlanta was rough until I until

462
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: I had to give into it. Right. But when you

463
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: straight from New York, you're not getting in nothing at first.

464
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: It's gonna take yeah, it's gon take them. No, I mean, listen,

465
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 3: I I we have a shared experience in that I didn't.

466
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: I didn't go to Atlanta, but I went to five

467
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: or six other cities because obviously my father was hustling. Yeah,

468
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: and it would be a new school. Yeah, you gotta

469
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: have that first fight. Yep, all right, you know how

470
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: to use his hands. We're gonna leave me alone. Yeah,

471
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you have to. It's just

472
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: certain ship that happens when you go to these new

473
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: schools and these new places where you don't know anybody.

474
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

475
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you're dressing a little different, you talk

476
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: a little different.

477
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it ain't easy. It ain't easy at all, you know.

478
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: I learned them dudes in the South may talk slower,

479
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: but they think fast. Hell yeah.

480
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 3: And it's fast, and it's a hood everywhere everywhere, and

481
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: it's street niggas everywhere, yep, exactly, fight everywhere. So you

482
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: gonna thinking you walking into these places thinking you gonna

483
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: do something. It's like I gotta figure out how to

484
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: survive where I'm at, exactly, and I gotta have respect

485
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: yeah for where I'm at. You have to yeah, yeah, yeah,

486
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: I remember I came down there. I was just on

487
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: this old yo Jamaica, Queens, Brooklyn and all that, And

488
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: I remember the two terrors in Atlanta was named Chip

489
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: and Dip.

490
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Chip and Dim Dip. They was homies.

491
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: There was homies. And when I say, these dudes will

492
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: walk up to the school and niggas would go running,

493
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: Chip and Dip is here, and these dude's had eye liner. Yeah,

494
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: you're taking it too far, that eye liner. And it

495
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: was just it was just weird, like I'm looking like,

496
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: why are y'all like what?

497
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: But but they were terrorsts though, these dudes were actual terrors.

498
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: But I just had to was the literal exactly. It

499
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: was just in a different form than you know, from

500
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: what was in New York, you know. Yeah, yeah, I

501
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: had I had to take Atlanta serious. It was it

502
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't a place to play with.

503
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: I found that out. All Right, you're on the road.

504
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: You didn't been to Europe?

505
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: How many times? Three times? You haven't even turned eighteen

506
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: years old? Yep, y'all get your first hit record though,

507
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: how does that feel? It was weird because our first

508
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 3: hit record was R and B. Yeah, yeah, it was

509
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: R and B. And it was top I think top

510
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: five or top ten in America. It was number one

511
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: in every country on the planet. You look at Billboard,

512
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: it was literally number one in every single except for America.

513
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: So we weren't really hot in America. Yeah, but I

514
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: would go to London after a while. We go to London,

515
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: like every month, go to London.

516
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: There being and that's easier coming from the East Coast,

517
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

518
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there'd be a Jaguar Limo and a range

519
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: Rover out twenty four hours at a disposal with drivers

520
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: sitting in it twenty four hours. So this is like,

521
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: like this dude, Curtis is living it up. Yeah, he's

522
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: Elvis over there. Yeah, now he's a literal he's Elvis

523
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: over there. And y'all got a song called got to

524
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: Have Your Love imagine. Yeah, the good Times. Yeah, he

525
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 3: was like and it was he was.

526
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: He was.

527
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: He was a giant and I was just this young

528
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: stupid kid. So was he He was the producer, He

529
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: was the producer. Yeah, so conceptually this is his thing.

530
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 3: He was a you know, he was a big producer

531
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: that was able to do rap and R and B.

532
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: And he was one of the first guys that conversed

533
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: both yeah, you know both who sang that record. A

534
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: lady named Wandra's okay, yeah, but she wasn't in the group. No, no,

535
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: it was just me and him. But then we feature singers.

536
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: So this way it was a rap group, but this

537
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: way he can really and y'all.

538
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: Would have different singers come on the road and sing

539
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: that part.

540
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like for that she she sung out first our

541
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: first two hits, so for that she would go on

542
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: the road. And then the second album that I did

543
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: with him, we had another girl named Jay Trinny, and

544
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: then she came on the road. Bro, this is this

545
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: is wild that you're still a kid literally while all

546
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: this is happening.

547
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you embracing it? Were you?

548
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: Did you get caught up in it? Being that young

549
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: with a hit record and being out around the world.

550
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: I thought it.

551
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: I had I had a really I had a really

552
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: interesting journey that I'm really proud of. My girlfriend at

553
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: the time. Her family, you know New York, we're all Caribbean.

554
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: Her family was Jamaican. And there was a book in

555
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: a windowsill and I picked it up and I looked

556
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: at us. I say, is this good? She said, you

557
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: never read that? I said no, So she gave it

558
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: to me. It was Malcolm X's autobiography of Malcolm X.

559
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: Right. So my journey was I would go to Europe

560
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: and I was really resentful and hateful because I'm reading

561
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: this book.

562
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: It's making you military. Yeah, it's super super militant. I'm

563
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 3: looking at I'm looking like structures like stolen ship. Much

564
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: like that was like that was the mission, right. But

565
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: it was interesting how the book just takes you on

566
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: this roller coaster and then he becomes this humanist and

567
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, Europe and everything different races

568
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: and colors just became something different. Yeah. So so for

569
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: me coming from where I come from, I had such

570
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: a different perspective on life because now I'm not the

571
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: racist at the beginning of the book, you know what

572
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean now, and now I'm meeting like white people,

573
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: Spanish people, Swedish people, people from all over the world

574
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: that are actually really good people, you know what I mean,

575
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: and that I'm still in touch with to this day,

576
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: you know, like really quality people. So it was a

577
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: really interesting journey that I had going on the road

578
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: and reading that book, you know, and it just ended

579
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: well because I just started to really understand, like, wow,

580
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: this is what the world is like instead of this bubble.

581
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: That I come from, you know, right, that changed my life.

582
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Now, that's incredible that you even had a chance to

583
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: have that type of experience. Yeah, and to make some money. Yeah,

584
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Yeah, some cool shit to happen.

585
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

586
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: At this point, you're really just focused on being a rapper. Yeah,

587
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: when did you start playing keys? So when I was

588
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: in Mantronics, I was I was kind of upset the

589
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: whole time because you know, this is big Daddy Kane

590
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 3: there or this l KUJ. I wanted to be that

591
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: rock him. I wanted to be that, you know, I

592
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: wanted to be the hood thing. And I resented this

593
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: international rap R and B. I resented that. And then

594
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: after a while, when I started like opening up to

595
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: the world, I was like, Okay, this, this isn't this

596
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: isn't that bad. So I would go to Curtis's house

597
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: all the time, you know, we're making music. He had

598
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: a duplex in the village and upstairs in the bedroom.

599
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: I would just sit on the floor against the wall,

600
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: and he'd sit by this sixteen thousand dollars emulator keyboard

601
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: that he had, and I would listen to him and

602
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: I would I didn't know exactly what was going on,

603
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: but I'd watched the slide and I would hear him

604
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: hitting his sample, and you know that was like truncating,

605
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: but I didn't know the word or or how to

606
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: do it at the time, you know. But I would

607
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 3: watch how he would fit samples into beats and stuff

608
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: like that. And then I woke up one day and

609
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to do this raption no more.

610
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: I want to be him and this is why you're

611
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: in the group though.

612
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I quit the group and I called him

613
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: and I said, yo, what should I buy? He's like,

614
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: what do you want to do?

615
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to make beats and he

616
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: was like, okay, go buy this computer, this, this, this, this,

617
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: this is ten thousand dollars. It's probably like one hundred

618
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: and twenty thousand dollars now, and I bought this stuff

619
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: and the learning curve was just crazy, but I didn't care.

620
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: So this is like the era of nujack swing now, right.

621
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: I come from this man Tronics group that's left of center,

622
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: but you know, mainstream radios all nujack swing. So I

623
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: sat and I got a townhouse. Now I'm eighteen, nineteen

624
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: years old. I got a townhouse for like two thousand

625
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: dollars a month's fort store is just crazy, and I'm

626
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: sitting in my bedroom with this keyboard on in this

627
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: computer and I sat there for a year until I

628
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: figured out how to produce how to produce every every

629
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: record Teddy Riley did, I did that best to imitate it? Yeah,

630
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: which was hell yeah, yeah, there's a kick or snaw

631
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: I want it's a fucking base note on top of it.

632
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, oka't I hated it.

633
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: But I did it.

634
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: And then when I learned how to, when I figured

635
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: out nu Jack Swing, I was like, I want to

636
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: do a complete departure from this because the other thing

637
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: that was how it was trildcot Quest, right, So got

638
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: nu Jack Swing, which Teddy's the evil genius of all music,

639
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: he's amazing. You got trialdcord Quest, which is left, and

640
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: then you got mantronics in the middle, which is my teacher.

641
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm gonna do this over. And

642
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: then I just came up with groove theory. I just

643
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: basically did it over. But before you get to groove.

644
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: Theory and you're learning, are you trying to go the

645
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: space of placing records or no, that's not even your thing. No,

646
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: And you didn't even understand that.

647
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: But at this point and you're just living off the

648
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: money that you made in the malntronics.

649
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're not actually working. No.

650
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: I had a publishing deal for I met a lady

651
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: in Karen Durant and publishing deals with twenty thousand dollars.

652
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: I sat down with her and she kept wanting to

653
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: do this deal with me, and I was like, this

654
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: is odd. So I threw out a number ninety thousand.

655
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: She said okay, and she got it. So had twenty

656
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: two thousand, five hundred coming every four months. And then

657
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: I had sixty thousand dollars from New York cas. Okay,

658
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: so I had money to live. Yeah, I just didn't.

659
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I just didn't spend much. Sixty thousand. I wasn't touching, okay,

660
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: but I lived off of that publishing deal. And I

661
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: just sat in this room. And then Karen's assistant was

662
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: a Mel. Yeah, so it was plugging play. Karen's assistant

663
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: was a Mel. Me and Mel were cool and I

664
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: would give them tracks and it was starting to get

665
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: ugly and it was like, we don't know what this

666
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: is and we're about to drop your ass. And Karen

667
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 3: was like, yo, you know Mel could sing. I was

668
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: like really, so yeah, all right, brought a Mel to

669
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: my house I had a really dope track. She went

670
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: in the bathroom with a mic, sung it and that

671
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: was it. Everything she did made what I was doing

672
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so I saved my publishing deal everything,

673
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: no shit, yeah yeah. And I never got to the

674
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: placing tracks. I never I never ever wanted that. Yeah,

675
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: I never understood it. And obviously, okay, so when you do,

676
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: when you and a mail get together and y'all make

677
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: the demo, how long does it take for you to

678
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: get an actual deal? A little over a little over year,

679
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: A little over year. It took because at the same

680
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: time I met Jimmy. Jimmy and Peter Thomas had a

681
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: company together from Real Housewives. They had a company together

682
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: and they had an English band called Rhythm and Bass.

683
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: We gave them tell Me where you gave it away?

684
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: First? Yeah? Yeah, gave it away.

685
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: So when you said this in the beginning too, I'm

686
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: gonna go back a little bit. When she went to

687
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: the bathroom to record it was tell me, No, it

688
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: was another thing.

689
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Oh was it enough about shit? Yeah?

690
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: No, it was another oay, but tell Me was like

691
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: the second or third real early did yeah, really really early? Yeah,

692
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: And we gave it to Jimmy's group. And then at

693
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: this time, me and Jimmy are getting to know each other.

694
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: And when my money started getting short that Jimmy started

695
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: coming in refusing cash. Okay, so I was funding the

696
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: whole operation. Now Jimmy's helping. And I met a guy

697
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: named Paris Davis who lived My house in Brooklyn was

698
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: on Saint Mark's. He lived two blocks away on Sterling.

699
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: His father knew my father. We didn't know, right, but

700
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: his father knew my father work, right, Yeah, from when

701
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: they were younger in Brooklyn. And he was like, yeah,

702
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm getting his job at EPIC. And I was like,

703
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: for real, yeah, I'm getting his job at EPIC. I

704
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: got this time. I said, oh, take the top floor.

705
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: He took the top floor. I'm literally in my bedroom

706
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: every day working on music.

707
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: And I met the entire industry coming up my steps

708
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: going up to the top because they're going to see him. Yea,

709
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: literally every day he's bringing somebody out. Ya. I would

710
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: tell how you okay? Cool?

711
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I go back to my thing and he goes upstairs.

712
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: They go upstairs, they drink, smoke, do whatever. Yeah, and

713
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: are you using the right from the mantronics? Are you

714
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: using that at all. It's not even a conversation. It's

715
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: not it ain't even important. It ain't even important because

716
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: you know how this business is, and you know how

717
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the pitch is when somebody introduced you.

718
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: So you literally like na, nah, it's just a hummie Rice.

719
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the people that knew about mantronics. But I

720
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: don't remember that song stuff like that. But it wasn't

721
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: We didn't make that much of an impact. And you

722
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: guys were bigger way around the world, around the world. Yeah. Yeah,

723
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: So I was just as homeboy. I was just as

724
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: little bro. And I just meet people and they go

725
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: upstairs hang out and I just close my door and

726
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: I just work on music every day.

727
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

728
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: And then he brought a friend named Jeff Burrows by

729
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: and yeah, and Jeff was at Howard. I think he's

730
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: still how Good at the time, Yeah, Howard of Syracuse

731
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: because they I think they met at Syracuse at the time.

732
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: And uh, Jeff heard it. He liked it, and Paris

733
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: is now epic, but epic is moving slow. So Jeff

734
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: flies us out to Warner Brothers. Bennye Madina heard it,

735
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: m hm. So I'm like, okay, we sit down with Benny.

736
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: He's singing every word to every lyric like he knew

737
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: he's studying. He studied it right. So I was impressed

738
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: because this was like fresh Prince just come you.

739
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: Know Benny, Yeah, you know, yeah, he's a guy.

740
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: So he did that, and then Paris had to step

741
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: it up. So me and Jimmy was like, bro, you

742
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: gotta do something. If not, we overhear Warner Brothers and

743
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: got back to New York, set up a meeting with Timertola,

744
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: and Timer was like, what do you want?

745
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I was like, publishing deal for her? What else?

746
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, like six d five hundred thousand. Yeah,

747
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: it's a girl coming to y'all, Melerue, you get her

748
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: published deal? Anything else?

749
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: Now we goold for the twelve thousand dollars.

750
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: It was different by it, right, right?

751
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: Right? So did you come up with that number?

752
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: The numbers were usually two fifty three hundred, okay, So

753
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to ask. I didn't want to ask

754
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: for something that was a deal breaker, but I wanted to.

755
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: I wanted something that was reading sub stanch but yeah,

756
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: but substantial, you know, substantial where they knew we do

757
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: this for five six hund thousand dollars we got to

758
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: work this group. Yeah, you know, that was really the

759
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: magic number that that me and Jimmy and Paris talked about.

760
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

761
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: And there was also a publishing deal being done for

762
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: her too though. Yeah, and then she got a publish and.

763
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: Were you still in your deal?

764
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you were, so you couldn't do a new

765
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: deal for that deal, yeah, but for the group yeah.

766
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's something I paid attention to.

767
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: You said when you left man Trona, you said I

768
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: want to be him m hm. And now when I

769
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: look at Groove Theory, that's.

770
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: What you became came. Yeah.

771
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I may be wrong, but do you wrap

772
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: on the Groove Theory album at all?

773
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I don't remember hearing you wrap.

774
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: On that album.

775
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: I never touched that rap shit ever again.

776
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: And then on tell Me a lot of people thought

777
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: that that was saying and it was Trey Laurance.

778
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gave it to him too trade demo tell

779
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: Me as well. So you just kept his vocal from

780
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: the demo. Yeah, oh this is great. Yeah, so this is.

781
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: Not like, oh yeah we got this song it's knocked out, Hey,

782
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: tyl Loarence, I need you just seen this part? No,

783
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: we gave it to Tray after Rhythm and Bass right

784
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: because they they just had a deal on Epic London,

785
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: so we gave it to him. He was on Epic

786
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: as well. He was on fire. He and then into

787
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: label Ever was like the same pop enough, like you're

788
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: going pop. So it was like cool, So we finished

789
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: the whole Grew three album. We're sitting in there with

790
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 3: the engineered Lapiva and Lamel and my god, dal Brown,

791
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: who was a great musician, played on a bunch of

792
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: stuff I did, and we're sitting there and then we

793
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: learned about that close composition clause at that time, and

794
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: then like you need another song. I was like, let's

795
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: just redo fucking tell me. You know, the anthem in

796
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: New York was rising to the top. Yeah, so I

797
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: was like I got a whole new vibe or do

798
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: it on and we sat down did that. She did

799
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: it as literally the last record.

800
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: Now the hell Mary now's a hell married.

801
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: No, none of that just just like we gotta fell

802
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: a quota like just let's fuck it, let's just tell me,

803
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: and we did that.

804
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: It wasn't going to be on the project, not at all.

805
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: That was a last record.

806
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: That's the last record, and ultimately was someone else's record

807
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: at first, like it wasn't even like yeah yeah, so

808
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: when she got to that part, we just punched him in.

809
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: You won't my love?

810
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we punched tray in and that was it, And

811
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: then the world thought it was me. Yeah, absolutely, because

812
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: obviously I didn't know you at that time, and.

813
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well that's the Yeah, yeah it's him. Yeah,

814
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: they both again. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was tright. That's

815
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: crazy bro yeap was it ever?

816
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: Obviously it's he's always been in the credits, but it

817
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: was never like featuring trailer rent, so you kind of

818
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: like if.

819
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: You knew, you knew, Yeah, does he perform that record?

820
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: No, I don't think something. No, nig I'm getting that off.

821
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: I'm trailerform. Yeah, I guess And for my next trip,

822
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to sing tell me I guess you didn't

823
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: know I was on that record. He's an interview with somebody.

824
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: He was like, sue as a guy.

825
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Brought me said, wait, de Brice say he sung that? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,

826
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: but yeah that's his voice on there. Now, you guys,

827
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: are you specifically you got another hit? Record. You're in

828
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: it again, but now you're in it in a different way,

829
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: different way. What's the focus for you now?

830
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: Because that's the other thing I feel like with Kendrick

831
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: Spearits and is the pivot, right. I've done them different

832
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: things in this business. You've done different things in this business.

833
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: What is what are you locked in on now for

834
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: when you when you're in it and y'all and tell

835
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: me takes off Smash record, when it took off the fight,

836
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: The fight was for me to be seen.

837
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: That was the That was the first fight.

838
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like, if you look on the

839
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: album cover, I'm I'm blotted out. Yeah, yeah, because I was.

840
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: I didn't I never thought about that part. Okay, So

841
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: it's done and it's time to do the visuals and

842
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: the video and all that.

843
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, let it go do a thing. And

844
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: they're like you gotta do it too. I'm like, nah,

845
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: do like you have to.

846
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: So everything was forcing me to be in the video,

847
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, it put me in the video. I'm like,

848
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: what am I supposed to do? I'm like, okay, let

849
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: me stand by this board. Look stupid, okay, let me.

850
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I played on this, but

851
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: turn the volume down, let me, you know, do that,

852
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: let me do a little two step, and that was it.

853
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: That was so that was the next struggle for me

854
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: was like, you're fighting with the label.

855
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the label.

856
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: As all these artists are trying to figure out how

857
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: to be in the You're like, nah, yeah, yeah, so

858
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: album cover. I was like, I'll do the shoot, but

859
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: I gotta be in the back and I gotta be

860
00:40:51,480 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: blurred out. Why didn't you, I mean, other than I

861
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: get the you know, the group you had come from,

862
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: but why didn't you just sign her as a solo

863
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: artist if it was going to be her project? As

864
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: far as as the artist, I didn't. I didn't have

865
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 3: those thoughts or every thought I had as a producer

866
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: was what I learned from Curtis everything. So I really

867
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: I didn't. I had no departure from the you know

868
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: that concept group, whether Solo, Soul Scenes, Music Factory, or Mantronics.

869
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: That's that's that was all I had in my in

870
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: my purview, that was it.

871
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's all I knew. That's that's what

872
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: I went for.

873
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: Okay, now the business of it, how does that break

874
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: down when ultimately and I can't speak for her, but

875
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: if she's looking at it like, well, I'm singing. So

876
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: now we got to go perform these things live? How

877
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: does that work? When it's like okay, well, okay, whatever

878
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: the fee is, y'all getting paid the show, y'all getting

879
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: twenty thousand, ten thousand.

880
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Are y'all like?

881
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: Okay?

882
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: So if you want groove theory, we split this?

883
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, we were. We were fifty to fifty.

884
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: So at first Amel was going to sign to me. Okay, right,

885
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: and me and Jimmy got her a new place and

886
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: I dropped her office, she said, and my lawyer wants

887
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: to talk to you.

888
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: I was like about what I don't know? Okay.

889
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: Next day I get a call, go to the lawyer's

890
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: office and the lawyer is like, yeah, we're not doing this,

891
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: not doing what, We're not doing this? This her signing

892
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: you Like, what do you mean?

893
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: This is wild? Groove theory is out?

894
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: Or no, this before this, before y'all get the deal.

895
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: This is when the deal is sent to the lawyers.

896
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: Oh shit, okay, yeah, so she's supposed to sign to

897
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: me and then you know, I go through the deal.

898
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: So you've got to be the furnishing company. Yeah, so

899
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: last minute he's like, now we're not doing it, y'all

900
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: will be fifty to fifty. And I'm thinking to myself,

901
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: like I paid for everything and I put her in this,

902
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? So me and him

903
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: had it out, and you know, he's like, groups don't

904
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: do this. I said, what about seeing music factory about

905
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: soul and soul? Well yeah they did what by man

906
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: trying to Yeah, but well I come from it. What

907
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: fuck are you talking to? I just blacked down, Yeah,

908
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: blacked out on him. So my lawyers on the phone

909
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: or speaker phone, and he's like, let's take a recess.

910
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Just getting too hot.

911
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: So I go in the conference room and he's like,

912
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: so I find out what's happening. Benny Medina called her lawyer, so,

913
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: oh shit, Hey hey kids, this is a music business.

914
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: If you if you're if you're tuned in, you're watching

915
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: this right now. This is how the music business really works.

916
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: This is how you learn to play chess.

917
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah you know. So you know, I love Bennie's a

918
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: really good friend of mine. I love Bennie's death. But

919
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: he had to do Yeah. I told him no. So

920
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: he was like all right, I'm gonna get a piece. Yeah,

921
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: I'll get hunting. So when that happened, it was I

922
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: was just stuck. There's nothing I could do. So I

923
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: go in there and I'm like, all right, we'll do

924
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. We do the fifty to fifty deal.

925
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't have any producer points, none of that. It's

926
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: just produced by me. But everything's fifty fifty. So I'm

927
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: basically an artist an artist, but you're not getting no

928
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: extra producer points on top, nothing. Nope, just fifty to fifty, right,

929
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: And that worked out. It was fine, you know, it

930
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: was fine. And then later on down the line, it

931
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: kind of came back to bite me because I was

932
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: in the background so much. So we had a show.

933
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: They say, okay, we got a clothing budget. I give

934
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: it to a mail. I'll go to Barney spend twelve

935
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: hundred on the show that I already had money. It

936
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: wasn't nothing, so I would just yo, just give that

937
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: to a mail. And then it just started to seep

938
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: into everything where it became like a weird, a weird

939
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: power struggle, and I was losing it because now you're

940
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: hearing little murmurs from the label like, well, she's the

941
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: town town, she's a base, so we go go ahead

942
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: and take her.

943
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, wow, okay, that's interesting.

944
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: So then I did the smart move. My biggest crush

945
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: at the time was Tony Braxton.

946
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: Right. I know Billy Woods since I was a teenager. Right.

947
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: I met him in New York at like an hour

948
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: release part some ship whout like me and a bunch

949
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: of dudes my hood. We just at this party and

950
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: Billy got me an autographed picture of Tony saying to

951
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: my future husband, see you at the Grammy's right out

952
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: this picture. Every day anybody come to my house. I'm like, yo,

953
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: read this, read this all right? So you never met

954
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: her at this point, never met her?

955
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Now grouth days out, I get all these phone calls, Yo,

956
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: guess what, Tony wants to meet you.

957
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I go meet her. And the same time I

958
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: meet her, I meet Ellie Reid and and Kenny Babyface

959
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 3: LA's in the studio.

960
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: He's like, you brought some he brought them here.

961
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, he's just sitting in there just like

962
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: loving every every fucking track. Then me and Tony start

963
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: hanging out, and then that leads to the record with her.

964
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: So now the power dynamic because you yeah, co producing

965
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: co world exactly. You're making me hot.

966
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I'm with you know.

967
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: Now I got this number one pop an R and

968
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: B single, and I'm on the roll with Growth Theory

969
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: and the video.

970
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

971
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: And then I did the video which was yeah that

972
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: you know, turnex to a sexymple brother.

973
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it did, Yeah, yeah, yeah it did. They was

974
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: love in the streets Bill Bill Bellamy said to me.

975
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: Then he was at MTV. He said, brother, bet is good.

976
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: The MTV will change your life. And Growth Theory was

977
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: definitely be tea. It was absolutely MTV. Yeah, MTV megastar.

978
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

979
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: So that happened, and then I was I was in

980
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 3: the in the Atlanta family.

981
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: No, it's me KP Dallas l A.

982
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: Like you know, I was like forgetting because in New

983
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: York you had to either come through Andre Herrel, Ross

984
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: simmsopof yeah, and I circumvented all of them by just

985
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: going to Atlanta and messing with the big boys.

986
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: And when that happened, then everything changed. Everything changed.

987
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: And I was young. I was an asshole, you know,

988
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: because yah, y'all y'all been playing me this whole time.

989
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, now I'm on fire. But y'all on the road,

990
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: you said we're in the road. I got off the road.

991
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: I said, mel can take half my money and go

992
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: through the shows. It just wasn't worth it anymore. I

993
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: making forty thousand and six songs, so yeah, I just

994
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: stay at home and do two songs of a week.

995
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred and twenty in I don't you know.

996
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: I was like, I could plane crash. I'm not doing that.

997
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: I'll just stay home. So that that changed the trajectory

998
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: of everything. And then you know, Epic has called me

999
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: in to pick the first singles. Everybody, everybody's off in

1000
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: the joint venture, but I was I was more. That

1001
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: was my ego trip. Yeah, yeah, my ego trip was

1002
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: I was a nobody, y'all, y'all was picking her. And

1003
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: now I'm saying two hundred seventy thousand units a week literally,

1004
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: you know, now that record is twenty one million, so

1005
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: lot more fucking fire.

1006
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Say something like it was just such a difference the group.

1007
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: Theory world to the you know, the pop world, you know,

1008
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: and that changed, and that's when it became the placemanking

1009
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: you know of everybody wants, you know, and our guy

1010
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: walks in the room and I look at my engineer, like,

1011
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: when I say hit it, hit it right, play something,

1012
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 3: Who's who's that for? Is Michael Jackson's Yeah, Mike wantsta Mike?

1013
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: Was you cab it?

1014
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: You were it?

1015
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1016
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: I made up a different artists every single time they

1017
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: came in that room. I made up a gigantic artist like, yeah,

1018
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: that's for them. When you used to do that, she said,

1019
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: you just here, mister, you for real?

1020
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: For real?

1021
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like I mean unless you you get to

1022
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: check tomorrow. I see what I could do.

1023
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: But you know, turn that up some turn it up.

1024
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: Get them hooked playing on the big yeah, exactly, get

1025
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: them hooked. It was just it was just all funny

1026
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: games after that. Yeah, you know you already know you.

1027
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: You groove theory at this point, like officially.

1028
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: No, I didn't leave, but we got it. So we

1029
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: got our deal for the next album, and then things

1030
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: things just went left because now things are changing.

1031
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: The mail it's like I.

1032
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: Want sixty percent of every record. I'm like, how good

1033
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: you need to take forty and you takes sixty. I'm

1034
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: not doing that. Then the labels like we're gonna we're

1035
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: gonna front you'll check for one hundred grand to get started. No,

1036
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: you're not. There's two million dollars for the next album.

1037
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 3: You're not giving us a hundred thousand dollars. One hundred

1038
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: thousand dollars comes because everybody like, come on, you know

1039
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: you gotta take this money. Then it's like, well, Bryce

1040
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: is making so much money by it, give me sixty

1041
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: to that.

1042
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: And I do it. But by that time it's just broken.

1043
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, part of the labels like a mail

1044
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: come over here and I'm tired and I and I

1045
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: always wanted group Theory to be a different featured singer

1046
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: on these projects. Yeah, So I was so mentally, I

1047
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: was onto another sound that in my head was way way,

1048
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: way more dynamic than what growth there was. Growth there

1049
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: was cool, it was mellows, jazzy was hypnop, but I

1050
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: want some fire shit just jumping out the speakers. So

1051
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: my mind was there, and the mal's mind was on,

1052
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 3: like I just need to go do my own thing.

1053
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: And then the power struggle between me and a label,

1054
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 3: I was just like, it was vengeance time for them.

1055
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. It was vengeance time.

1056
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: It was like they were not gonna let you be

1057
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: more successful there with them. Well they wanted to, but

1058
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: I was like no, Like Paris Davis, they fired him

1059
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: and I sat down with the president epic.

1060
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: He said, I know you got Paris a new job at Atlantic. Yeah,

1061
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: what'd you do? Did the Change your Faces videos? It's

1062
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: like what da videos?

1063
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: Exactly like that much power where you do a video

1064
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 3: for somebody and you can get another human being a job,

1065
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: an executive job. Yeah. So after that, it was just

1066
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: like it was just my playground and growth. There was

1067
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: just at that point it was I don't want to

1068
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: say it was too small, but it was. It just

1069
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: wasn't worth a headache. Yeah, you know, it wasn't worth

1070
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: a headache. Y'all played me and it's like, you know,

1071
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: now there's no one in front of me. There's no

1072
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: one that can say no and stop my motion, you know,

1073
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: because I'm the motion.

1074
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1075
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: People want me to do their music, you know, all

1076
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: their video or whatever, but that they don't leave that out.

1077
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah. So that so that was that that

1078
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: just that was the pivot.

1079
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: That was the new life and the main focus was

1080
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: now you are a mercenary in a sense you are

1081
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 3: got a higher gun to go get these records exactly.

1082
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: And at that stage of the music business, it was

1083
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: a lot of money to be made.

1084
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And it was a super producer era, yes, like five

1085
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah.

1086
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: So once you get that super producer under your name,

1087
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 3: it's like now niggas was getting paid.

1088
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.

1089
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: Did you did you have in your mind though, that

1090
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: you were going to do another group or do another

1091
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: artist project.

1092
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: Was that a part of your focus then too? Yep,

1093
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: that was part of my focus. I actually ended up

1094
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: doing one.

1095
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: I did another album with a girl named Makata Davis

1096
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: that was from Davante's camp, right, because remember Missy Timberling.

1097
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 3: Genuine all of them were from Davante. Hankers to Basement,

1098
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: yeah exactly. Barry came and took all him, put him

1099
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: over in Blackground, and I found this young girl that

1100
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: was from that camp that was just insanely talented, and

1101
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: I did a project with her that was just an

1102
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: extremely undeniable, crazy album. And I did this album and

1103
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: we got into politics with it. She wrote Best to

1104
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: Me the remix Mayan Jake, she wrote that, and we

1105
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: were having problems with Epic and I text Puff and

1106
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: Steve Stout and I said, Makaya is free, free agent.

1107
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: Good luck, niggas. I got call in two minutes from

1108
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: Tone from Track Matters. He was like, Steve wants it

1109
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: in the scope. All right, did the album over there.

1110
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: Then Steve left, but this is not a group though, No,

1111
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: this is this is a group there album. Oh, this

1112
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: is group there. Okay, okay, yeah. I had the second

1113
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 3: album at Epic. Epic was acting weird about black music.

1114
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: Got off of there and then got to deal with Steve.

1115
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: Started in the scope, did that album. Steve left and

1116
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: started going to the into the marketing world. I'm deal

1117
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: with this album that I take that album off. I

1118
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: got both labels and took my masters, who was not

1119
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: of my deal. I just took it because nobody stopped me.

1120
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: So I took all the masters. And then you know

1121
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: Chill from Chicago. Yes, Chill, Wow, loupays guy. Yes, yes,

1122
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: Chill was best friends with Jay at the time. And

1123
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: he calls me off. He's like, yo, you trust me.

1124
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, this is five years later, Like yeah,

1125
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: what's up. He's like, come to New York. Come to

1126
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: New York. Jay's there, Beyonce is there? We played the

1127
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: album and they just sit and they're like, Yo, what

1128
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: the fuck is this?

1129
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Jay's like, bro, you wasting yourself. You stopped,

1130
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: like I stopped making music.

1131
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: I just got turned off from all of the personal

1132
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: demands of giving everybody money all that.

1133
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: And uh.

1134
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, we'll be back and he took the CD.

1135
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 3: They called back two hours later sayah, we want six records.

1136
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: I was like, real and this this stuff is five

1137
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: years old at this point, you said five years old?

1138
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: Five years old? It took six records, Jay Coles. The

1139
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: next week he says, Yo, we had the Rose Bowl.

1140
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: I played this record for Janet. Johnny wants this sorry record.

1141
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: Good that sorry record?

1142
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: Huh? Fourth for Benes, Yeah, let's do it.

1143
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: And Janney got a record all like all of these

1144
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: records were just and then all five years old from

1145
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: the Machatur project.

1146
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1147
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, So track masters loved it. We did the first

1148
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: single that we had. They did a remix because they

1149
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: had that r Kelly moment. Yes, the best of both

1150
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: worlds and all that, So they did it remix with

1151
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: Maya and Jacket Edge on it.

1152
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: Like everybody wanted a piece of this record.

1153
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: So I basically just sold the raceal just sold the

1154
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: record out, just pieced them out.

1155
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Amyy, Beyonce, a bunch of people.

1156
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: Beyonce ended up only taking two because her father had

1157
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: already paid Scott Storch.

1158
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, between Chill, Me and Jay, we just gave

1159
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: him records. Everybody. Wow.

1160
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was. It was a crazy, crazy album.

1161
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: No crazy album like that. Yeah, Mickata was exactly what

1162
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: I was looking for. It was way more dynamic. It

1163
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: was like, you know, we did a showcase and she's

1164
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: singing a natural born killer Jermy and ice Cube.

1165
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she was a rock star.

1166
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: She was different, super hood, super rock stars and everything.

1167
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then you turn into an actor. Yeah, then I

1168
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: wanted to be that guy.

1169
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what made you say that to yourself? Like, all right,

1170
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm sure his acting thing.

1171
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: I got tired.

1172
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: Was it because of the videos? No, it was because

1173
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 3: of the group theory situation. I didn't like being held

1174
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: hostage by an artist.

1175
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: I didn't like that. M hm.

1176
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: So I said to myself, if I can get used

1177
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: to the camera, I could probably do this acting shit.

1178
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 3: In the midst of this, Tracy Edmonds had called me

1179
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: to do Soul food when they were doing the series. Yeah,

1180
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: and she's like, why, you just gotta trust me.

1181
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: I fly out here.

1182
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: The dumbest audition you could ever see it done by me.

1183
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm literally like this like and he said he's going

1184
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: to the store. I'll be right back. It was so bad,

1185
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: like it was.

1186
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: It was unbelievably terrible.

1187
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 3: It was just really bad. So I did that and

1188
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: then that that killed I was like, I don't want

1189
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: to do this acting ship. And then it was a

1190
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: there was an opportunity for Vibe magazine was doing the

1191
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: TV show Caught Weekend Vibe and I got on a

1192
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: plane in LA and my lawyer at the time said, yeah,

1193
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: they're doing this thing. And I was like, if I

1194
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: host this show, then I could get used to the

1195
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: camera and then I can act. So I land in

1196
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: LA and they're like, auditions are tomorrow in New York.

1197
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm like, all right, well, I'm in La.

1198
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm cool, and I sit myself and I'm like, don't

1199
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: feel a little bit. It's done.

1200
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: I literally turn around fly back to New York and

1201
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, you just go be who you are, ghetto.

1202
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: If it's whatever it is, that's what you gonna do.

1203
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of people in the audition and

1204
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: they're like, oh way.

1205
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm cool, let them. And I'm hearing

1206
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: these people go and they just sounded just so scratstick

1207
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: and yeah, script in and corny. I just go in

1208
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: there and I'm like I read it, and.

1209
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: They're sitting there and they're like, well, introduce this.

1210
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: It was like some artists. Yeah, so I just freestyleed.

1211
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: This artists comes from something. I'm in the music business.

1212
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: This artists comes from so and so to today. It

1213
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: was discovered by songs of.

1214
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Do la and they're like, you got the job. So

1215
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I did that job on the spot.

1216
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did that, and then I went on into

1217
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: acting from that. Yeah, I couldn't just jump into acting

1218
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 3: right right, right right. That first attempt was yeah, but

1219
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: you were preparing yourself. Yeah, I was preparing myself for sure.

1220
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: You got a legendary scene. That legendary scene. You know,

1221
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: me and you ain't talked about this, but bring it

1222
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: up in Beauty Shop.

1223
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: The legendary scene where I want to say, you might

1224
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: be the first brother to introduce.

1225
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: The man bag that is now very popular in our community. Absolutely, No, like, yeah,

1226
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: you know, I keep a hundred thousand and there. I

1227
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: might got a million dollars in this bag. I might

1228
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: have a pistol in here. Yeah, but you ye in

1229
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: the shop with a man bag.

1230
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1231
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't very acceptable at that time.

1232
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: It was not I felt crazy.

1233
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you take me back to that scene please,

1234
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: and how that was introduced to you?

1235
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Like, okay, so this scene you're gonna walk in? Yeah,

1236
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: it was just weird. They were like, yo, your character's

1237
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: not gay, but they don't know.

1238
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: I was like, they don't know, but am I no, no,

1239
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: no you're not, but they don't know, okay, And they

1240
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: just started to popping shit out a little set and

1241
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean?

1242
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm in wardrobe, Like all right, cool, I'm ready

1243
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: to go. I got on.

1244
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: Bagging, I got on tims, yeah, rolls, and like oh

1245
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: yeah one other thing they put it around me.

1246
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't be serious, like it's the role,

1247
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: like this what you got?

1248
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, so this wasn't in the script that you

1249
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: had read though that okay, this is what you know.

1250
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: This is you introducing No, because I didn't read. There

1251
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: was a part where they talked about it and I

1252
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: need that part yet. Yeah, yeah, I didn't read that part.

1253
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: I didn't read that part yet until yeah, until like

1254
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: the day before, and I didn't even notice it. I

1255
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: didn't notice anything until they put it on me. And

1256
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: I just felt crazy with tims On and a first.

1257
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1258
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: It was crazy because going back to obviously, like going

1259
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: back to your men tronic days, you had been around

1260
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: the world, had you seen that already, because obviously that's

1261
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: something that came from overseas. That's that's not like an

1262
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: American thing. I saw.

1263
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: Haitian Jack was the first person.

1264
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: He used to carry a little this little thing in

1265
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: the in a little bag. It wasn't a strap bag,

1266
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: but he used to always carry that, and I used

1267
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: to always look.

1268
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: At that like that's interesting. I always had a man back. Yeah,

1269
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: but it's Jack.

1270
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna question it, right right right, you know,

1271
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: it's definitely not question Yeah, it's gangster. Yeah, and you

1272
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: know he ain't holding the wallet in there. So that

1273
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: was the first time that I saw it. But yeah,

1274
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: I never I never saw that ship with a strap on.

1275
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: The strap on it. That was just yeah, that was

1276
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: a crossbody yeah, crossbodies. Yeah, no, bro, you yeah, you're

1277
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: the first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're You're in Earth in

1278
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: the history, Bro, Like you're the first. What that's scene? Yeah,

1279
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: it's very legendary. Brow. How was that movie for you?

1280
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: It was good. Did you know a lot of the

1281
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: cast already or Nope? I only knew and Billy Me

1282
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: and Billy got a history. The same thing with the

1283
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 3: Tony video. I ain't want to do it, and he

1284
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: was like, well, you gotta do it, and I was like, no,

1285
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't. J and DMX was getting hot. I was like, Yo,

1286
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: this is due Jay my man Brooklyn and so do Dmax.

1287
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: Tony was like, I don't care about that. So Billy

1288
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 3: was like, you gotta do it. I did it, and

1289
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: then it worked out, so Beauty Shop happened. I had

1290
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 3: did another movie called hair Show with Monique and he

1291
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 3: called me and I was like, bro, I did this

1292
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: other thing. And he's like, bro, And I was like,

1293
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: you want me to just shut the fuck up and

1294
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: trust you Again, he'said, can you just do that? Can

1295
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: you just shut up and just show up? I just

1296
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: went to audition and got it.

1297
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

1298
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was the director of it. So he

1299
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: was the director. Yeah, do good enough and I'll tag

1300
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 3: it out for you.

1301
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1302
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow bro, Yeah yeah, and then you became a

1303
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: real actor, real actor after that. Yeah, and then I

1304
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 3: quit that. I didn't have a next guy to be

1305
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 3: like I want to be him. I just I just

1306
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: was like I don't have I was like thirty two.

1307
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't have the stomach to get

1308
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: ten years of no before they tell me yes.

1309
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: You know, I did that. I did the one hundred auditions,

1310
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: well only booked three out of one hundred.

1311
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did all that.

1312
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: I did that whole round.

1313
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: I did that. I went to film school, I did

1314
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: all of that. But that's when the music mind came in,

1315
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, because the music, it could be me and

1316
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 3: you an engineer, and it could change our life.

1317
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: Right, film you need thirty.

1318
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: People crew, sixty people crew, you know it's yeah, it's no,

1319
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: it's no making a movie without all of those exactly,

1320
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: without all the all them moving parts. Yeah, so you're

1321
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: like A right, I was like, I have I had

1322
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 3: the heart for this in music. I don't have the

1323
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: heart for this for acting, you know, I just didn't.

1324
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: In my thirties, I was like, I don't.

1325
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: Have the heart for this. You walk away from acting.

1326
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: You don't want to deal with, you know, the back

1327
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: and forth of the rejection, and you know, people don't

1328
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 3: realize that you you auditioned all those times to maybe

1329
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: get one role.

1330
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go out, what's something okay before?

1331
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: Before you do that, though, what's a role that you

1332
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: auditioned for that maybe became something like really dope?

1333
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: And you're like, fuck, I could have been. I don't know,

1334
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: is there any like big movies or anything that you

1335
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: auditioned for.

1336
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 3: Gangster auditioned for which which I definitely wanted a role

1337
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 3: in that he was gonna be Denzel No No, Frank Lucas,

1338
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: but I think I was supposed to be like his

1339
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: nephew or one of her brothers or something. And it

1340
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: was it was the hype around it before they shot,

1341
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: or the hype around American guest it was very hot. Yeah,

1342
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: the buzz around Hollywood for that was really high. So

1343
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: that was that was a role that I that I

1344
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: really wanted. It's just a lot of ups and down.

1345
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 3: I remember I got so cocky. I went to this,

1346
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: to this this audition. I was I'm gonna go kill it,

1347
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 3: and I flopped so bad. The cast nature was like

1348
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: and where did you come from? Again? Because she heard

1349
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: so much hype about me. I was like, yeah, I know,

1350
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: I know. She was like, yeah, okay, get at it.

1351
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 1: And she went to where did you come from again? Yeah?

1352
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: Because he heard a whole bunch of hype and right,

1353
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: he just got this roll this road.

1354
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1355
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: And I went in there and I Lily was on

1356
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: the plane reading leading these lines like I'm gonna.

1357
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: Go murder this? Who else going for this? I'm killing

1358
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: all of them? So what happened? You just forgot this

1359
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: ship once you got in there.

1360
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: I just flopped. I don't know what happened, but I

1361
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: flopped bad. I was just like, door a cool.

1362
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: You know when you fucked up? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah,

1363
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: you know you're fucked up? Yeah? All right?

1364
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 3: Actings now in the rearview? Yeah, do you go back

1365
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: to producing?

1366
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: Do you like? What's the no?

1367
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: I just chilled out. I bought a seven bedroom in

1368
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: Hollywood Hills. I was just chilling.

1369
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: Why did you buy a seven bedroom?

1370
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: Right? Why did you need seven bedrooms?

1371
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: Bruce? The house was a good deal. Seriously, seriously, you

1372
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: can tell us, we all tell it was a good deal.

1373
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: Something. Wowd Yeah, I bought this one car, and I

1374
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: remember it had it had this this button on the

1375
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: side that made all my doors open. I was like, wait,

1376
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 3: so it's how much more? So it's thirty thousand more

1377
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: for the for the doors, for the touch door. Yeah,

1378
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 3: stupid as hell man. Yeah the house. Yeah, bought that house.

1379
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: I was chilling in La Then I bought a condo

1380
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 3: in Miami, and I had another place in New York

1381
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: and I just went every two weeks from each place

1382
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 3: to each place. And I was in real estate at

1383
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: the time, okay, because I'm invested in two hotel restaurant groups.

1384
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 3: So my plan after after all of this, I was like,

1385
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: I'll just like do clubs and hotel stuff like that.

1386
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: And I had all this property everywhere, and the market

1387
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: started shifting and then it was education.

1388
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Time that crash that happened, Yeah, that happened.

1389
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So everything else, like every dime I had was

1390
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: in real estate. So I went from having four cribs

1391
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: to in La Miami, New York to ending up in

1392
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: Atlanta back wondering if I could pay the rent ship.

1393
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I felt.

1394
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: I felt so hard. The thing it wasn't really the

1395
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: fall was was obviously bad, but it wasn't really the fall.

1396
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: It was the fact that I had no options, you

1397
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1398
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: I had really good friends in this business, La Sylvia,

1399
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: Craig Cowman, but the people under them, I was an

1400
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: asshole to them because they were assholes.

1401
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: I didn't like record people.

1402
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't like that whole he's he's hot now,

1403
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 3: so give me a record that sounds like that.

1404
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: I just didn't respect any of that, you know.

1405
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: So when I so, when I went broke, there was

1406
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: no coming back to my old job. You know, there

1407
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: was no because at this point now the executives, they

1408
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: didn't have those relationships.

1409
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're the star now, you know what I mean.

1410
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: They want to be the star.

1411
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: You know. Everybody now wanted to be like puff, you know.

1412
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: So there were It wasn't out the music anymore.

1413
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: After that.

1414
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: It was about give me something that sounds like, what's

1415
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: number one in the chart now?

1416
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: You know. So I just sat in Atlanta like, damn,

1417
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm really broke, Like should I get a job? Like

1418
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: where does this go?

1419
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: You know? I just I just really didn't know, and

1420
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: my royalties never came for any of my songs. Why

1421
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: just never came? Fifty million records. To me, I made

1422
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 3: about five hundred and forty million dollars for the labels.

1423
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 3: Never got my cut, Like when you got money, you

1424
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: just be sitting like it'll, I guess it's coming, right,

1425
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: never came. So I sat there in Atlanta and this

1426
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: whole culture was shifting, and this new culture was emerging

1427
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: with indie bands and EDM DJs. So that was my pivot.

1428
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: After that I started. I met a guy named Junior Sanchez,

1429
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 3: one of my really good friends, and Junior's house DJ,

1430
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: one of the best producers I've ever met, and just

1431
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: had great relationships everywhere and the huge, huge audience like people,

1432
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: He's a legend in that world. And I used to

1433
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 3: make these pitch decks and I would call Sylvia in

1434
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: LA and I say, hey, you know this em thing

1435
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: is like we need to get you know, this ship

1436
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 3: because this ain't this ain't our culture. This is they

1437
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 3: took our house music and made it into something else,

1438
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: and I wasn't really getting anywhere with it, and it

1439
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 3: was weird. I would put Swedish house Mafia in my

1440
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 3: pitch decks right because they were they were the case

1441
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: study or in the genre, right, And I called La,

1442
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: and La was like, I don't know nothing about this stuff,

1443
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 3: but I know it's huge.

1444
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: I want I want to do the meeting.

1445
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 3: So I was hooking up a meeting between La Read

1446
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 3: and Steve Angelo, who Junior introduced me to who Steve

1447
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 3: Angelo is one of the members of Swedish House Mafia

1448
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: and La was doing that TV show at the time,

1449
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 3: American idol Or one of them, and they kept pushing

1450
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 3: it back. So by the fourth time they pushed it back,

1451
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 3: I said, tell La, we're not gonna do the meeting,

1452
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 3: but just let him know. Well, he brought my man

1453
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 3: Jay in that building. J sold out the garden in

1454
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 3: twenty five hours. These guys sold out of four minutes. Shit,

1455
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: they were like real, was like, yeah, SEUs House Marfy

1456
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: sold I shot out four minutes. So I left it

1457
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: alone and it was an interesting thing. So Sweets and

1458
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: House Mafi became the biggest band in the world at

1459
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: one time, right, and then they just woke up one

1460
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 3: day and was like, what are we doing? Let's just

1461
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 3: stop this ship and then he announced one last tour.

1462
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: Sreetz House Marfi's over doing one last tour. So in

1463
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: one last tour I went to the last show in Miami,

1464
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: me Junior Maxwell was there. I met Steve Angelo, and

1465
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 3: then I moved on with Steve worked for his company,

1466
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: ran a management company, and then I became his co manager.

1467
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: So now I'm in the EDM world. And yeah, the

1468
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: private jets and the area they live a.

1469
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: Whole different live game.

1470
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and it's a game that you have

1471
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: to respet because they never needed radio for it. You know,

1472
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: these guys forty million, seventy million dollars a year and

1473
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: he never needed radio. So all the things we rely

1474
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 3: on they didn't rely on. They just needed the Internet

1475
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 3: and that was it. You know, million dollars to show

1476
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 3: two million dollars. These guys are playing for two hours

1477
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 3: making two hundred thousand a million, like it's nothing.

1478
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was so that that was

1479
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: that was where I pivoted to.

1480
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 3: I pivoted to the end of that world because it

1481
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: was I just couldn't get no hate from there.

1482
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, nobody could you in the dark. Yeah, you know,

1483
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: and you're a new guy in that space.

1484
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: I'm a new guy in there, nobody knew, but who's

1485
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: also tenured, right exactly, You're new to the space. But

1486
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 3: when they run your resume, they're like, oh and he

1487
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: did and he did any oh, yes, he's supposed to

1488
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: be here. H And I had, like I had friends

1489
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: in Sweden that these guys grew up under that were

1490
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: my friends from men tronic.

1491
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: Man trying, you know what I mean.

1492
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: So it was it was all like a full circle moment,

1493
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: you know. I was the black tea guy every day.

1494
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: That was my uniform, black tea for these guys. You know,

1495
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: if you if you came to a show, if you

1496
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: were a barbera, a banker, whatever you were, you go

1497
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: wear a black teeth to that show. Like you had

1498
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 3: to dress like the Swedes. And I was a very

1499
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 3: dressing like the sweet So this was perfect, you know,

1500
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: and and it taught me. I did it because I

1501
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 3: wanted to really understand how the business of that world works,

1502
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, how you can become such a big success

1503
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: without the machines that we rely on, you know. And

1504
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: they and they what the label were they on? They

1505
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 3: were on EMI. Okay, they were on EMI and now

1506
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 3: they're on on Deaf Jam. But Steve, when they disbanded, Steve,

1507
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: Steve was on no label. He was on his own label.

1508
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 3: But but it was. It was interesting. Steve had I

1509
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: ran the management company. We had a creative agency, like

1510
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: a full on creative agency, and we would we literally

1511
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 3: were a full three sixty within this building. Like he

1512
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 3: just got this gigantic office and we were full three sixty.

1513
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 3: So when he had an album coming, an album release

1514
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: or a single release, the amount of creativity and intelligence

1515
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 3: that went into it was just like mind blowing, mind blowing.

1516
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: And was this technically your first job in a sense

1517
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: as an adult? Yeah, as an adult, yeah, yep, my

1518
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: first job.

1519
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: It was It was six grand a month. Number one.

1520
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 3: At that time, I was like I'll take this, yeah,

1521
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: And number two, I was just getting a front row

1522
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 3: seat to something that was just exploding all over the world.

1523
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, that was completely different than the world we

1524
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 3: came from. But bigger in a sense, yeah, you know,

1525
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: much much bigger in a sense.

1526
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was. It was a great education.

1527
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: Did you stay in that world as far as like

1528
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 3: taking on other artists in that space, No.

1529
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: I stayed. I stayed in that world for a while.

1530
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 3: And what happened was Steve's best friend and business partner,

1531
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: they had a bit of a falling out and then

1532
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: me and him got cool, and then we started being

1533
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 3: business partners and then we just went into all different

1534
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 3: kinds of businesses after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that

1535
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 3: was yeah, that was that was a moment, That whole

1536
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 3: Edim thing was definitely.

1537
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: That was to me, that's being an artist.

1538
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 3: I think it's cool. Being a producer cool. I think

1539
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: that's the coolest job on the planet.

1540
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:13,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1541
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you make your music and these people

1542
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: pay for you to come and play.

1543
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: And play your music. Yeah, it's that simple.

1544
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: You get in a private jet, you do a couple

1545
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 3: of edits on the laptop, and you walk in literally

1546
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 3: with a USB and plug that into the damn CDJs

1547
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 3: and it.

1548
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: Runs for two hours.

1549
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got some little with some little things

1550
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: to be going off the Yeah, the power Tier text

1551
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: all that. Yeah, yeah, it's huge. It's it's it's a

1552
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: it's a it's a different world. It's definitely a different world.

1553
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: And as producers. One thing I did get out of

1554
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: it on the music side, on the creative side was

1555
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: I we taught myself how to produce, so I produced

1556
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 3: like them because technically we cannot touch. DJ's are the

1557
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: best producers on the planet. Absolutely by far. Yeah, by

1558
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 3: far cheeko, yeah, by far, because they're doing all of

1559
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 3: this in a box, right, you know, vocals, engineering, they're

1560
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 3: mixing as they're making the music. It's just it's just

1561
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: such a completely different skill set.

1562
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1563
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: I've sat with producers and played them record and said,

1564
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: how would you recreate it? And they and they and

1565
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 3: they think they can until they actually try, and they

1566
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 3: just don't understand. Yeah, how intricate it is. Yeah, it's

1567
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: it's a it's a serious game as far as production. Yeah,

1568
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: so that was that was that gave me a new

1569
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 3: spark as far as a producer, where whenever I do

1570
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 3: decide to go in the studio, my my my angle

1571
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 3: and my my my entrance into it is completely different

1572
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: than than the old me.

1573
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, way way way different. So what's next? Content? Okay? Content?

1574
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: The one thing I did when I when my when

1575
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: my money was messed up, was I just sat in

1576
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: the house doing nothing for so long that I said

1577
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: I need, like I need some kind of ructually in

1578
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 3: order to get back into the world. And when I

1579
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 3: was younger, I had boxed twice in my life. I

1580
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: did karate when I was really young.

1581
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 1: My karate teacher.

1582
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: Then actually lived on my block as well, and he

1583
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: was one of the other people, Petro Molino, he's one

1584
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: of the other people that I have a couple of

1585
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 3: people that saved my life.

1586
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: Right, he was one of them.

1587
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 3: So I was always into fighting, and there was this,

1588
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, from a teenager. I was watching UFC from

1589
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: UFC one, and this whole Brazilian jiu jitsu movement came

1590
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: and it got to the point where I was like,

1591
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 3: number one, I want structure in my life. I need

1592
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 3: to start something structures. I'm just feeling worthless. And number two,

1593
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: I'm okay with my hands. But if I ever come

1594
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: across somebody knows this, I don't want to. I don't

1595
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 3: want to be in that kindie water. It's different getting

1596
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 3: knocked out than someone slowly breaking your arm or your

1597
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: knee or choking on.

1598
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: That's a complete different. That doesn't different.

1599
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you're looking death in the eye, you know

1600
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 3: what I mean? Yes, So, so I really that was

1601
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 3: my that was my motivation. I was like, let me

1602
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 3: just do this. I started. I started like forty four,

1603
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 3: forty five years old, which was crazy. I got being

1604
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 3: there and they be like we talked on the mask like, yeah,

1605
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 3: forty five.

1606
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: Bro, it's bros. She's forty you know, Bro, he's fucking old.

1607
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: Bro is forty five years old?

1608
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 3: As a white belt is is. It's traumatizing, it's exciting,

1609
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 3: but it's it takes a lot of heart, it takes

1610
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: a lot of and you and you get you get

1611
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: your ass beat every single day. It takes you six

1612
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 3: to eight months for your mind to reconfigure to understand

1613
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 3: what's going on. And for those six to eight months,

1614
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: you're getting murdered, Like you're getting right murdered.

1615
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 1: You can't beat up nobody in the gym, yeah, anybody.

1616
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: You know, this guy's got knocked me and pigeon to

1617
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: like he can't and he's killing you and y'all. It's

1618
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: just a discovery, you know. It's just a discovery of

1619
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: a different level of information.

1620
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1621
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 3: So I did that. I did that for five days

1622
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: a week for eight years straight, eight years straight. I

1623
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: did that five days a week, five days a week.

1624
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: I just shut my mouth up. You me and my

1625
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: partner had something going on. I'd make it to the

1626
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 3: means and everything. But everybody knew twelve fifteen to two

1627
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 3: o'clock he's gonna be training did that for eight years.

1628
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: I'm on my eleventh twelfth year now, and about a

1629
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 3: year ago a light bulb went off because I'm I'm

1630
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: like a cultural snob. I think you are too, like

1631
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: as like the level of music we did, Like we're

1632
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 3: a laitist, you know what I'm saying. But it's not

1633
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 3: like we're haters. We just want to show the world

1634
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 3: out version, you know what I mean. So about two

1635
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,839
Speaker 3: years ago, I had this idea and I was talking

1636
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: to us, talking to this girl I was actually my

1637
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: partner of the podcast, and she said, well, you want

1638
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: to address theatrical and performing the masculinity.

1639
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's what the fuck I want

1640
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: to address?

1641
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 3: Yes, that, so I wanted I'm doing a bunch of

1642
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 3: content stuff that are introducing combat culture, combat sports culture

1643
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 3: into our culture, and also just confronting a lot of

1644
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 3: the crap in our culture, a lot of the tough

1645
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: guy shit do we do.

1646
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: And all of that.

1647
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: I really want to address a lot of that full

1648
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 3: on because I just think that it's it's we're so

1649
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 3: lopsided in that sense that it's just dumb, you know,

1650
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 3: like we were here when the culture was not about that,

1651
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 3: you know, so I want to kind of kind of

1652
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 3: add a counter conversation and account of balance to it.

1653
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 3: Besides the fact it's the fastest growing sport in the world, right,

1654
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 3: you know not people are crazy about it. Yeah, they're

1655
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: crazy about it.

1656
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1657
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: It's me it's the last gladiator sport honestly. Yeah, I mean,

1658
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 3: it's this goes back into the olden days exactly, you

1659
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1660
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: And it changes lives. Yeah, it really.

1661
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 3: I mean for me at that point when I had

1662
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 3: no money, no hope, no nothing, that was the thing

1663
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 3: that came through for me. That's what my camaraderie went through.

1664
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: And I mean, and I've shared the mat with like

1665
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: like real gangsters, like Navy seals, like Delta Force, like

1666
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: real like people that really get up and do gangster

1667
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 3: shit every day whether they want to or not, because

1668
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 3: the President said, go do this, you know what I mean.

1669
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: So that that alone, just that world, I think that

1670
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 3: I think we are behind it. You know, there's a

1671
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: couple of things that technology stuff like that that we're

1672
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: behind him.

1673
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1674
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 3: Within our culture, yeah, that we need to. We need

1675
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 3: certain beacons to kind of catch us up on that stuff,

1676
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 3: you know. And I think that white people are doing

1677
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: amime like black people did basketball, right, Like it's serious

1678
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, you know, it's really really serious. So

1679
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 3: that's yeah, that's the new mission, just to really do that.

1680
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 3: I got one more belt left. I might stop after that.

1681
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 3: I don't even know, but you know, it's something that

1682
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 3: you could do till you know, till you die. You know.

1683
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 3: I see people that are seventy eight years old doing it,

1684
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: you know. So that's that's where my passion is now.

1685
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 3: I'm slowly going back into the studio. I just did

1686
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: this song with Storms and Tyler. Yeah, yeah, that was interesting.

1687
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 3: But I just did that. I'm doing Lupe Fiasco doing

1688
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 3: some stuff. Who want to kind of bring him back

1689
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 3: to the radio spot now? So yeah, so it's cool.

1690
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 3: I like now, I like, I like doing music now.

1691
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: I don't need it to.

1692
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: Survive, you know, it just feels better.

1693
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1694
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: You know now that rat race is different. Yeah, it's

1695
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 1: way different.

1696
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's and it's a young man's sport

1697
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 3: to me, it is, you know, it's a young man's

1698
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 3: sport to do.

1699
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, the placements and all that stuff. I don't

1700
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: got the energy for that.

1701
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: Did you ever think of like being on the label

1702
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: side or doing anything in that capacity. No, I mean

1703
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 3: I've thought about it at times, but I don't think

1704
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 3: I would ever get that position.

1705
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know how long I would last in

1706
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: that because I don't like for me.

1707
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 3: Like, I only want to be involved with something that

1708
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 3: pushes the culture forward. I can't just sit still and

1709
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 3: just keep repeating, you know what's been done. You're not analytics, Yeah,

1710
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that's I don't think that's

1711
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 3: a fun job. You know, Like we when we came

1712
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 3: into this, it was all about everybody having the identity

1713
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 3: and everybody adding something, you know, and that whatever that

1714
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 3: addition was push the ship forward. And now I don't

1715
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 3: really see that desire with you know, within the labels

1716
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 3: or any of that stuffs.

1717
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: I just think we're in a weird spot.

1718
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think with the with the combat sports,

1719
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: that's something that my heart is in and I think

1720
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 3: that that's something that would falling so far behind, and

1721
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't mind trying to help that push that to.

1722
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: The No bro's it's dope.

1723
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm always I'm always very supportive and

1724
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 3: happy when when I speak to my peer years and

1725
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: my people I consider family and they're like, yo, I

1726
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 3: found something else that I really enjoy. Right, it doesn't

1727
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: have to be the norm of what you know is

1728
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: everyone is doing or everyone is chasing. You find what

1729
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 3: you like to do, and you know what I mean,

1730
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: Like even for me, you know, it's funny like people.

1731
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: They're like, I didn't know the podcast Nigga Cold.

1732
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: Say.

1733
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 5: Yes, it's interesting, right, I'm like, yeah, actually I kind

1734
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 5: of came from that exactly, and I'm known for this

1735
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 5: now and yeah, but I'm I'm appreciated it because I

1736
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 5: really enjoy this space.

1737
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the multi media space and the content

1738
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:42,520
Speaker 3: space and giving something different for me personally.

1739
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: You've been a star, thank your whole life. So a

1740
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: star is a star.

1741
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. If you was on Fries,

1742
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 3: you're still a star. You're just like, yeah, exactly, it's

1743
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: a star. Yeah, a little on that thing it's out there.

1744
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 3: A star is a star. You've always been a star.

1745
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1746
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: It's funny with you because you've always been a star.

1747
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 3: It's always low key but against no family. Nobody knows

1748
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 3: that though, but they started it's getting out.

1749
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: I got it.

1750
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 3: I got to interview you because he got a history

1751
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: history history, Like the pretty boy thing is that afterthought,

1752
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 3: that's just you know, that's what God gave him.

1753
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: That is what it is. But you know, you've just

1754
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: always been a solid dude man, always that.

1755
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: I've always been intentional about about that, man about you know,

1756
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: I show I always want to show up for my people.

1757
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: I want my word to be my word.

1758
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I feel like it's it's sustained

1759
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: me through this, through this business that isn't always as

1760
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 3: people would say, isn't always real.

1761
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1762
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I found the real spaces in it for me,

1763
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 3: and I found the people who I consider real, and

1764
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: I try to stay as locked in with them as

1765
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: I can. You know, even if it's you know, we

1766
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: may not talk for you know, whatever amount of time,

1767
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 3: but when we do it, it's always the same type

1768
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 3: of love and respect. And I don't care what you know,

1769
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 3: quote unquote business I'm supposed to be in.

1770
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to operate that way. Yeah, I don't get business.

1771
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I.

1772
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: Was working for you. You your relationships are from when

1773
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: you were young, and yeah, it's it's just paying off now.

1774
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but this is this

1775
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 3: is the vibration you set as a very young man,

1776
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 3: and you're just walking into your own vibration that you set.

1777
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: That's all it is. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying.

1778
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 3: And it's great. Now I'm enjoying myself, Bro, Like I am.

1779
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: I really am, and I and I you know, I

1780
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 3: want to I want to put this light on people

1781
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: that I know, not even that I think that I

1782
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,520
Speaker 3: know deserves, you know, to have this light. And it's

1783
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: been it's been a hell of a ride for me, man,

1784
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: and experience that I'm super thankful for, you know what

1785
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean.

1786
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm super thankful to the people.

1787
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 3: Who tune in and are interested and who I think

1788
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 3: and we think should sit down and have these conversations,

1789
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because Bro, so many of

1790
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 3: us that have been a part of this thing that

1791
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: sometimes don't always get the opportunity to have that light

1792
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 3: shined on them. And for me, man, you know, that's

1793
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 3: something I want to be a part of. No, absolutely,

1794
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 3: And having a place where people you've known for a

1795
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 3: long time that really really message you, to have them

1796
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 3: tell their stories, it's like that's gold.

1797
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gold. Yeah.

1798
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, this is really a lot of these are

1799
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 3: me catching up with my friends. And that's that's really it.

1800
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 4: Man.

1801
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: We talked about this before we start filming it.

1802
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 3: You know, ninety probably ninety to ninety five percent of

1803
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: the guests on this show are really my personal friends, yep,

1804
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 3: exactly up until this point, you know. And that's and

1805
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 3: some people who've come after we met through this have

1806
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: become exactly my friends, you know what I mean, And

1807
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 3: people that I really really enjoy and have great relationships

1808
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 3: with now from this show. So now, bro, this is

1809
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 3: this is a really cool thing man. And I'm man,

1810
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm man. I'm happy if you pulled up on me, Bro,

1811
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 3: like I'm happy to be here. This is this is

1812
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 3: super cool.

1813
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Man. But let's let's get into some of this music thing.

1814
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 4: Man.

1815
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 3: Let's let's uh, you know, get into this, get into

1816
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 3: this music that Tank sent over.

1817
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: Man. So come on, let play you something real quick.

1818
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta see your thoughts.

1819
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you top fun.

1820
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 4: You already before you go there wrong this.

1821
01:26:47,080 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 6: Showbody want to know. I'm mad too, Ain't no joke?

1822
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, nigga, don't got no sense, man, crazy

1823
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 3: as hell. Man. Before we get into this though. Did

1824
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 3: you produce the record that he was in the video

1825
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 3: for it?

1826
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: For Sarissa?

1827
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 3: No, Man, I forgot. I forgot about there because I

1828
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 3: don't y'all had that that. Yeah, why I played the

1829
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: dud and he played the stuff. Yes, I forgot all

1830
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: about the take a video ho too, Bro, That damn Jimmy,

1831
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 3: I tell you boy, that's another one I stepped into.

1832
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 3: I ain't quite know what the hell was going on

1833
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 3: until I got in there.

1834
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I'm the dud.

1835
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm the one knocking on the door and she don't

1836
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 3: answer and she in there with Tank with the muscles.

1837
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: He said, I forgot about that.

1838
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 3: I just started to bringing up. Yeah, you know, we

1839
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: all together, bro, we all yeah, you know we all

1840
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: been there.

1841
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all been there, man.

1842
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's let's get into the music man. Top

1843
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 3: five R and B singers male and female. Whatever you

1844
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 3: top five for you, R Kelly Chaos, k C Dead,

1845
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: her alive, older, young, whatever come to your mind, Brother,

1846
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 3: Donny Hathaway for Sures.

1847
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: I gotta cool Little Left. Bob Bob Marley, Absolutely, I

1848
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: love Bob Marley.

1849
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: Bro.

1850
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 3: The world is still catching up to his message. Yes,

1851
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 3: so gotta be him. I'm trying to go people that

1852
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 3: were like really like like slap me in the face artists.

1853
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I gotta say Casey, but you said Casey. Yeah I did.

1854
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: Did you say Casey because you said Kell's first and

1855
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: then you said Casey?

1856
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 3: Hey, Kel's Casey. Donny Hathaway, Donny Hathaway. We got Sonanda

1857
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 3: my Trea know that is I don't.

1858
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: That's Terrence Trent Darby. Is that his? Yes?

1859
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 3: Boo, that's the name he changed. That's that's his real

1860
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 3: the new name he's got. He's had what twenty years?

1861
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,799
Speaker 3: Fifteen twenty years?

1862
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Son your name? Oh man, that dude did incredible.

1863
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

1864
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 3: James Brown, he's everybody. Yeah he's Yeah, I would, I

1865
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 3: would say him.

1866
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's nice. Okay, Yeah, Top five R and

1867
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: B songs.

1868
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 3: Anything off of Diary of a Mad Band? Okay, Okay,

1869
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 3: who's that Tony record?

1870
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: Should have Brought You Home? Yeah? Love that.

1871
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 3: That's a great song. Yeah, anything by Guy. I mean

1872
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 3: you were studying it for thing that that tell you?

1873
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 3: Riley isof Hee had the Goodbye record by Guy? That

1874
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 3: one I Don't want to leave you?

1875
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that one there for all we know Donny

1876
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 1: Hathaway the most patient record.

1877
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it's very hard to recreate that R to even

1878
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 3: sing it with him because of the timing. Yeah, in

1879
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 3: the pocket that he has on that song, yeah, is insane. Yeah, yeah,

1880
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 3: definitely for all we know. And Sonando Maitrea, he's got

1881
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 3: a song called if You Go Before Me.

1882
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: I like death songs for some reason.

1883
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean think about when were younger,

1884
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 3: those were those were the songs I'll die for you. Yeah,

1885
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: I like them kind of songs. I like the owl

1886
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 3: die for you.

1887
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: That's real emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, take it to the

1888
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: grave songs. So yeah, if yet, yeah, if you Go

1889
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: before Me? To None in my chair, that one.

1890
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna throw Prince I would die for

1891
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 3: You and there like one.

1892
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.

1893
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like them joints. Yeah, okay, all right, okay,

1894
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 3: So now we're going to build the ultimate R and

1895
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: B singer. We have a thing called the Voltron and

1896
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 3: it's the vocals stage performance styling the drip whore gonna

1897
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 3: put the flyshit on and the passion of the artists.

1898
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the vocals, who vocal you.

1899
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 3: Taking for the for the superhero, ultimate R and B singer.

1900
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: Who gonna sing those songs?

1901
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna say, Babyface? Hm hmm, I'm

1902
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 3: gonna say baby Face. Okay, yeah, well.

1903
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: People watch the show. No, that Babyface is like top

1904
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the top for me.

1905
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna say, okay, so baby Face the

1906
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 3: singer performance performance style, who's gonna who's gonna.

1907
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Kill the stage? Oh?

1908
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 3: Kelly Man listen o Kelly. Kelly had a mishow live

1909
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 3: shows so crazy, crazy and theatrical, Yes, yes, all of

1910
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 3: it and obviously yeah, you know, just hits after hits

1911
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 3: after hits too, like it's yeah, he's got a presence

1912
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 3: and the way that he used to put his shows

1913
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 3: together with the costume everything, Yeah, he felt like stage place.

1914
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yep. Okay, styling, who're gonna put the fly

1915
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 3: shit on? Who's a fly artist to you?

1916
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: Damn it?

1917
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 3: I left him out in the old list, Joe, But

1918
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say him for style?

1919
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 1: Okay, but he's on. He's your vocalist.

1920
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 3: Vocalist hell yeah, top five RMB singers, yes, yes, for sure,

1921
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:57,839
Speaker 3: no argument. Style.

1922
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I'll go with all Kelly, which version.

1923
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 3: Know, like like with the the little mask.

1924
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no hell no no no no.

1925
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 3: Like cool, not the not the baggy suit, like the

1926
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 3: like the black leather blazer. What about the mink though,

1927
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: when he when he had the mink on on the cover.

1928
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: You didn't fix that. So yeah, yeah that song. Yeah okay,

1929
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 3: so so so Kels get he gonna get the he

1930
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 3: get to performing style and the style and yeah and

1931
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 3: the look okay, but but not the mask absolutely okay, cool,

1932
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 3: not the master, he seats none of them. Who who

1933
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 3: has the passion? Like, who's gonna make you feel it?

1934
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: Who you who you think would die for this ship?

1935
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Who would die for it? I'm gonna get home and

1936
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: be pissed because the real ass is gonna come. But

1937
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. You. You know, you were you

1938
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: were supposed to prepare, you didn't.

1939
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 3: But it's it's okay.

1940
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: You're my brother.

1941
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 3: I know. I tried. I did try. I did try.

1942
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: That's the that's the one I skipped all this year,

1943
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: fucked up on.

1944
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly.

1945
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: That was overwhelming the vote trying like that.

1946
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 3: The fuck that's overwhelming passion. You know what, I'm gonna

1947
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 3: go super level passion. I'm gonna go soul left this one.

1948
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go super left. You're gonna look at me crazy, okay,

1949
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 3: Jeral LeVert, No I'm not okay, No, I'm not used

1950
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 3: to roll on the floor. Yeah, come on, bro, this

1951
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: is me though.

1952
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 1: He lived it, lived it, lived it, lived it, legend

1953
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: of legends.

1954
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, come from Yes that's Eddie Son, Yes, that's

1955
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 3: Eddie Son. Yeah it lose five pounds on that stage.

1956
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 3: Jerrold was not all right, not playing yeah, and not

1957
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 3: big as he and as big as he got in

1958
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: his career, he still had the same passion.

1959
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If you talk the tank, Tank will tell

1960
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 1: you that.

1961
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 3: It was Jeryl LeVert who told him, yep, no, no, no, no,

1962
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 3: young fella, you got to give you all.

1963
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you give it all, your all. Yeah. He checked

1964
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: me a couple of times, call me Hollywood. I was like,

1965
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I would call me Hollywood, nigga, Hollywood. But I said,

1966
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: it was like, is he right? Yeah, he ain't no joke.

1967
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: You got Hollywood on Derald a couple of times.

1968
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't get Hollywood on him, but he

1969
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 3: but he But I felt it though, you know what

1970
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I felt it. Though Gerald had the presence

1971
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 3: that he was twenty years older than you when he wasn't,

1972
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 3: so he just had that that father president right right, yeah, yeah,

1973
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 3: all right.

1974
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 1: And then for you, who's gonna produce this artist?

1975
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 3: I got that? Are you producing it? No? Absolutely not?

1976
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 3: I got it.

1977
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: I got it. And it's not Kels. Who does baby

1978
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Face look up to?

1979
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 3: Jimmy, Jammy j Lewis, no El the bar Oh yeah,

1980
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 3: so you're gonna have l produce it.

1981
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1982
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what to do with them, but El eld

1983
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 3: the Barge one thousand percent. Wow, that is the genius

1984
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 3: right there, that Dudel the Barge Eldridge. Yeah, creatively, spiritually

1985
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 3: and just gift wise, yeah, gift wise, he's he's yeah. No,

1986
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 3: to this day, to this day, he's so different. Yeah,

1987
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 3: he's different. I watched we had him and Tank did

1988
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 3: a did a show together in Vegas a few years

1989
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 3: back and had some family members there with us, and

1990
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 3: we watched in awe, in awe. I want to say,

1991
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 3: it might have been for might have been for something

1992
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 3: that d Nights had. It might have been it might

1993
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 3: have been one of the club quarantine shows or something,

1994
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 3: and we were just like.

1995
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: This, yeah, nah, he ain't na.

1996
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is cold still to this day, effortless cold,

1997
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 3: like he's easy.

1998
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: And you know he got on the piano, you know

1999
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: he played. Yeah, He's like, come on.

2000
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 3: Bro, you are the cheek you know he he he's

2001
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 3: his bop is this way too.

2002
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: Everything is here exactly, everything is here.

2003
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 3: He got the time listen. Yeah's like he got a time. Yeah.

2004
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:10,839
Speaker 1: It feels good to me. Yeah.

2005
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 3: And in conversation he'll drop something spiritual on you that

2006
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 3: are just like fuck your whole life out. Yeah, like

2007
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 3: he was just like he's he's deep and I'm.

2008
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Still I'm still trying to get L to pull up L.

2009
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 3: You told me, yeah he needs to you were gonna

2010
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: pull up L randomly will text me or really at

2011
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 3: one in the morning and when we're setting up with

2012
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 3: the interview, really whenever you want to it. I ain't

2013
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 3: got one that text in a minute, but like I'll

2014
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 3: be like, bro, whenever you want to pull up to

2015
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 3: get him on here you have whatever you.

2016
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 1: Want to pull up?

2017
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 5: Oh gee, I got you.

2018
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, L, what episode do you want? Man?

2019
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2020
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 3: Mad episode please? That would love hundred. Yeah, he's that

2021
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 3: dude right there. He's he's he's he's alien. Yeah, yeah,

2022
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: he's he's something else. Now it's a covot trying bro. Yeah,

2023
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 3: all right, we got something else for you, man, before

2024
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, before you get out of here.

2025
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 4: Ain't saying no nature, saying no names, saying no names.

2026
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: What you did, don't say?

2027
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, so we didn't come to a very

2028
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 3: important part of the show. Brother, Okay, will you tell

2029
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 3: us a story funny or fucked up? Or funny and

2030
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 3: fucked up?

2031
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay?

2032
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 3: The only route to the game, mister Bryce Wilson. You

2033
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 3: can't say no name.

2034
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: I got one, oh quick? Oh okay, I got one?

2035
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:54,839
Speaker 1: All right, Okay.

2036
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 3: So I'm in New York and I dropped yeah at

2037
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 3: forgot the name of it, but name studio back, brother,

2038
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 3: that's I dropped my friends.

2039
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: I dropped my two hoes homie studio.

2040
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, drop my two homies off at

2041
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 3: the other homie studio. Right. They say, you're coming up

2042
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 3: like no in the car. Have an artist with me,

2043
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like we're an energy. So I'm

2044
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 3: just leaning on my.

2045
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Window outside listening to music music, soul time. I'm listening

2046
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: to a Neil soul singer.

2047
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 3: I'm listening to right and I'm like, you know, I

2048
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 3: just bopped my head in my own world, and I'm

2049
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:42,759
Speaker 3: getting tired of the energy.

2050
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, let me.

2051
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 3: Take you the hotel. The artist is yeah, that's good, okay.

2052
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2053
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 3: There's an attitude ten. I don't know right, I just

2054
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 3: ain't got time for right now. It's drizzling. New York

2055
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 3: City is dark outside. The strangest thing happens. I get

2056
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 3: to the block. I make a left turn and I had.

2057
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Real light. Now look, my doors cracked and my car's empty.

2058
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2059
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, but Batman was in my car. I

2060
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 3: can't say no names. But when I turned that corner,

2061
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 3: I heard the wind. This person just hopped out, hopped

2062
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,839
Speaker 3: out in the rain, in the drizzle while I was moving.

2063
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: You hadn't stopped. I didn't stop, so stop dropping rope.

2064
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if they tucked and rolled, if there

2065
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: was a cable, I have no idea there was a cable.

2066
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 3: I don't know he was driving the bus. But I

2067
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 3: heard the wind. I made the turn. I heard the wind.

2068
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: I looked from patch to seat.

2069
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 3: It was empty, and my door was cracked, and I

2070
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 3: leaned out and I closed the door and I went

2071
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 3: around like five blocks about five times.

2072
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: Is you trying to find them? Yeah?

2073
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 3: I looked on this side of the street, went around

2074
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 3: and looked on this side Winter Street, and then I

2075
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 3: gave up. But that was a feat. That was a

2076
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 3: feat that to this day, I have no idea how

2077
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 3: that happened. But yeah, just like, did you ever speak

2078
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 3: to said artists again? Yeah, but never never talked. But

2079
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 3: they were okay, Oh they were fine. Yeah, still were fine.

2080
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,719
Speaker 3: They were fine. They made it to their hotel and everything.

2081
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 3: It was.

2082
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, it was just weird, felt a little

2083
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 1: first forty eight ish man. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. Huh. Yeah,

2084
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: And so you've never talked to this artist about that? Never?

2085
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 3: It was too strange. I don't even know how to like,

2086
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 3: is weird? And you can fly that's the next time

2087
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 3: you see it. So you know that time you flew

2088
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 3: out my car, Yeah it was. It was a batman move.

2089
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 3: I just heard a little bit of wind and by

2090
01:41:59,240 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 3: the time I.

2091
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Heard him, a little bit of wind.

2092
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 3: Calls empty yep. And my two homeboys that dropped off

2093
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 3: did not believe me. And I'm like I'm telling you,

2094
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 3: I made a turn, that's all I did, and.

2095
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:12,879
Speaker 1: Gone, wow.

2096
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, huh okay, because we're gonna we're gonna bleep the

2097
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:25,799
Speaker 3: names you said. But this is that's a wild story. Yeah,

2098
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 3: that's a that's a what the fuck?

2099
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah that was? What the fuck was that? Yeah?

2100
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have no idea how they exited

2101
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:35,759
Speaker 3: the vehicle.

2102
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 1: I didn't even hear. I didn't even hear the feet

2103
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: hit the ground. That's what was crazy. Like, I didn't

2104
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: hear the feet hit the I heard nothing. Win. I

2105
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: just heard when that was it and they were gone

2106
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: by that time. Gone.

2107
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah that's wow, bro. Yeah, that's why I don't know

2108
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 3: what part of the turn the escape was. I have

2109
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 3: no idea they escape. Yeah, I have no idea they was.

2110
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 3: They didn't want to ride with you no more, Broy didn't.

2111
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 3: I was in there, I was, I was dropping them off.

2112
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's like, yeah, nah, sick of

2113
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 3: this ship. Yeah. He was like, I'm good, okay, good move,

2114
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 3: wow bro, well pleaded. Yeah, Hey man, thank you again, Bro,

2115
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 3: thanks for having me brother. This is this has been

2116
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 3: incredible for me. Man, me too, my brother for real.

2117
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 4: Man.

2118
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 3: Man definitely I'm Jay Valentine, this Sprice Wilson, and this

2119
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 3: is the Army Money Podcast.

2120
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: I see y'all next week.