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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to episode three thirty two with Morgan Wade

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Speaker 1: and Mike. You know, she mentioned in this interview later

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Speaker 1: on that one of her friends used to tag her

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Speaker 1: and stuff all the time. To me, I remember that,

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Speaker 1: and I remembered it then, but I thought about it

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Speaker 1: even more after it was all the time. Really yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that and I remembered it. What she said

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Speaker 1: it sounded familiar and I was like, yeah, I do,

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Speaker 1: but then I was thinking about it afterward. But you'll

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Speaker 1: hear us talk about that. I'm a big Morgan Wade fan,

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Speaker 1: but I had never met her until she came over

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Speaker 1: to do this interview, and meaning fan of her music,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know. I mean as seking pictures about it,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known her, Like I wouldn't have seen

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Speaker 1: her been like that's Morgan Wade. Um. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I really liked her. I thought it was a great interview,

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Speaker 1: didn't you It was awesome. Yeah, she's really cool and

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Speaker 1: like she and cool, not like hey, I'm so cool,

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Speaker 1: but just talked about stuff in a way of she

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Speaker 1: didn't worry about if what people thought about her. Very real, authentic. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna play this it's Morgan Wade. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan of her music as in right now, it's

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Speaker 1: basically what I listened to. If I'm listening to music

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Speaker 1: or a nineties playlist that it's either nineties alternative, nineties country,

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Speaker 1: nineties road trips songs. But it's a pretty good mixed

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Speaker 1: like Duncan Cheek and um you know nine Days Weadi

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Speaker 1: or Morgan Wade if it's on the new stuff. But

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Speaker 1: she's from a small town in Appalachia, uh Floyd, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: She was drawn music as a kid. You're here to

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Speaker 1: talk about writing songs in secret, never attempting a public

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Speaker 1: performance till way later on. She suffered a breakup during

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Speaker 1: her freshman year and that kind of got her going

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Speaker 1: into wanting to share her music through singing what do

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Speaker 1: you agree? Yeah? Right about her break Reckless. Her album

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Speaker 1: was named best Country album of the Year by Rolling Stone. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She's currently out opening for Ryan Hurd on select dates

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Speaker 1: of his tour de Pelago early two She'll open. Oh,

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Speaker 1: she's doing the stadium shows in Blue Cone. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: saw Luke in an empty stadium playing in wilder days.

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Speaker 1: It was cool. That's pretty cool. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: and I hope you are too, and I really enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: Here is Morgan Wade here on the Boby Cast. Morgan,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good? How are you? I'm doing

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Speaker 1: pretty good. It's nice to finally meet you as well.

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Speaker 1: I think we've missed each other a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: You were coming last time, and then I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a voice yesterday, so I appreciate you. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you stayed the extra day or not, but I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. I'm going to tell you that I did

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Speaker 1: even though I was already here. Are you gonna be here?

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Speaker 1: You don't live here, though I don't. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a plan to move here? I do? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need to move out here. It's just kind of

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Speaker 1: like figuring out where I want to live because I

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Speaker 1: thought it was so punk rock that you didn't live

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Speaker 1: out here and you just like screw it. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I've been like that for the last two years. But

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Speaker 1: now I'm like, uh, everything's like based out of here

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Speaker 1: in my bands here, so I'm like the outlier. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's tough. Like I have a couple of friends justin

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Speaker 1: Moore because I'm from Arkansas. We grew up near the

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Speaker 1: same town. He lives in Arkansas still, and as much

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Speaker 1: as that's home, it's still a pain in the butt

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Speaker 1: to have to come out and work. But he also

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Speaker 1: moved here, established himself, you know, and then moved out. Okay, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I get that. There's no direct flights from where I am,

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Speaker 1: Like near Bristol, Virginia, So like Tri Cities area? Did

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Speaker 1: you grow up watching? Uh? Because I don't know anything

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Speaker 1: about racing, I will just say I hated it. Every

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Speaker 1: I just never understood why it was such a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I went out there once. I was like nineteen. They said, hey,

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Speaker 1: When when did you start tinkering around with music? Like

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Speaker 1: Did you have musical people around you? No? No, not

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Speaker 1: maybe like ten or eleven something like that, but you

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Speaker 1: Elvis is not alive. Like you know that that whole

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Speaker 1: Elvis kind of struck you. I mean obviously first like

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Speaker 1: It's I was such a quiet kid. It was like

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Speaker 1: My parents divorced when I was like five, UM, and

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Speaker 1: my grandmother adopted me for a while. But your grandmother

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Speaker 1: It was in her front yard is probably you know,

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Speaker 1: And I had guitar lessons, and she put a patch

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Speaker 1: You know. It was just stuff like that that was

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Speaker 1: first band, but were you playing with different groups? What

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Speaker 1: kind of bars or clubs were you playing? Yeah, we're

427
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: playing bars. I mean I was like breweries and bars

428
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 1: and restaurants and stuff and um, anything like literally anything

429
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: that I could get, you know, to play, I would

430
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: do it. And you know it's uh oh god, I

431
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: mean I just look back, I just think it. You know,

432
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: you were background music a lot of times, but it

433
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: was just I was so happy to be there. And

434
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: I'd like to remind myself that. Can you think of

435
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 1: shows where maybe there were more people on stage than

436
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 1: there were in the audience. Oh yeah, yeah. I remember

437
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: this one specific show and they they had us come play,

438
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: and you know, when you start booking that stuff, like

439
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: I look about you know, now I play a nice

440
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: solid you know, we're whatever hour and a half at Max,

441
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: And I remember booking this one shows like three and

442
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: a half hours, not a soul there. They made us

443
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: play that whole time. And of course the guys they

444
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: were all like older guys, so they were like used

445
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 1: to planing to like nobody, so to them, they're like, well,

446
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: three and a half hour practice here, you know, we're

447
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: just gonna drink our beer and just you know, play along.

448
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: And at those were the nights that you leave there

449
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 1: thinking why the hell am I doing this? You know,

450
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: like this this is stupid. And I think that's part

451
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: of the reason why I was like, all right, I'm

452
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: gonna stay in college because I don't know that this

453
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: is gonna work out. It almost feels like a movie

454
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: when no one's in the theater. But they runed it

455
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: anyway in case someone happens to come in, like they

456
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: wanted you to keep playing in case someone does happen

457
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: to stumble in. I'm like, man, there was no one

458
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: in there, nobody. I will never forget that night because

459
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 1: I remember at one point we just I just stopped

460
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: singing and I was just that they're playing my guitar,

461
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: and when kind of stood there, it's like the same song.

462
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: We just kept running it and running and nobody knows

463
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: the difference that there's nobody there. There was no one

464
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: there except the bartender, and she was you know what

465
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: was she She wasn't doing anything. Yeah, exactly, absolutely. Okay,

466
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: So at this point, you're still living in Virginia, You're

467
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: still have you ever moved out of Virginia or have

468
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: you lived there the whole time? No, I've lived there

469
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: the whole time. Like I moved you know, I grew

470
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: up in Floyd and then I moved to Roanoke, which

471
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: is where I went to college, and then you know,

472
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: I moved out towards the Tri Cities area. Um, I've

473
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: lived there for a couple of years. In your hometown,

474
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: are people now that already know you, are they starting

475
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: to look at you a little different because you know,

476
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: you are popping up on the radio, you are popping up.

477
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: Are they like maybe people being nicer to you, or

478
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: people you don't know it coming up and be like,

479
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: hey can get a picture? Is that happening? Yeah? I

480
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: went home and I told my grandma. I was like,

481
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: when I come to see you, we just like I

482
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: just want to come to your house and like hang

483
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: out because it's a small town. And last time I

484
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: was there, I went out to eat and yeah, they

485
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: if I'm stuff in my face with food, like the

486
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: last thing I want to do is you know so.

487
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: And I appreciate it because it is really great, but

488
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: it was a little it was a little bizarre. It's

489
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: a little weird, you know, to go back there and

490
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: and and have that. But you know, I think my

491
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: dad gets it a lot too, you know, meet meeting

492
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: people you know that that know who I am, and

493
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: to him, it's funny. You're also kind of hard to

494
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: miss because just because the tattoos, Like even if you're

495
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: fully covered, your hands are still I would have to

496
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: wear like medical gloves, like you have to show up

497
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: in mitten's and like a big furry hat, and then

498
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick out. Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just

499
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 1: not it is cool. I mean it's interesting. I mean,

500
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: I've been in the airport all over and and I've

501
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: started to have a lot of people recognize me there.

502
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about your voice as a songwriter,

503
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: because I think you said it. You started writing songs,

504
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: and you started writing them from a different perspective, your

505
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: perspective started writing. I'm so young too, I mean, when

506
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: did you first start to feel that voice, not singing voice,

507
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: but that voice have an opinion or a perspective. Man.

508
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean I remember I was like, you know, I

509
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: had to be like nine or ten, and my dad

510
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: was going through a separation and I was writing about

511
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: that just from his perspective, in which I look and

512
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: I look balent, man, you were a sad, sad kid.

513
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: I look back, and it was very like, you know,

514
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: I've always written just from whatever's going around, you know,

515
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: whatever whatever I'm around, you know, whatever I'm experiencing like

516
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: that's just that it was just my outlet. Did you

517
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: keep any of that stuff do you have from you know,

518
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: from a kid? So that was another thing. I didn't

519
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: write stuff down because I didn't want anybody to read it.

520
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: So if I would write stuff down sometimes, but I

521
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: would hide it. And my grandmother claims she finds stuff

522
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: in like cookbooks and stuff stash around or house. I

523
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: don't believe it. I think she's making it up so

524
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: she can sell something one day on eBay. I think

525
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: she's planning that story now so she'll have something. But

526
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't write stuff down because I didn't want

527
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: anybody to to find it. So I will memorize stuff.

528
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: And until I came out here to Nashville and we

529
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: were in the studio, you know, satnur Baid and my producer,

530
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: he was just like, you need to write this stuff that,

531
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: like type it out because we have to be able

532
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: to like see it. But I would just memorize that.

533
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: If it was something that was gonna stick, you'll just

534
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: stick in my head. So you go to these guys,

535
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: that's all these songs you've written. Now we're gonna go

536
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: back to the basement or wherever you went to these

537
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: this room with these forty year old guys. What were

538
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: those songs about as a as a nineteen year old,

539
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: Like when you look back at you know, if you

540
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: were to paint brush to that with a broad stroke,

541
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: what was that collection of music about? Yeah, I think,

542
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: and most of it was just, especially the early days,

543
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: was definitely heartbreak, which I don't think I've steered too

544
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: far from that, but you know, heartbreak and and and

545
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: starting to drink and like experience experience different stuff, but

546
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: mainly heartbreak. And then that's that's all I've seemed to

547
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: really know how to write about. Did you ever because

548
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll do this with comedy where I feel like

549
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm extremely vulnerable and I'm exposing myself and

550
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm right up on the edge. Are going, Man, this

551
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: is too much like I'm on the edge. I never

552
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: actually feel like I get towards too much, oddly, but

553
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on the edge a lot. Do

554
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: you ever feel like you're that way with lyrics or

555
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: when you're writing a song, Yeah, for sure, Because people

556
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: ask all the time, they're like, you know, do you

557
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: ever start to say something You're like, I shouldn't. And

558
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I think I think so. But then

559
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: it's like, after it's out there, you look back and

560
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: you're like, it wasn't really anything to me. I think that,

561
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's good too, because you never, like

562
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: you said, you never reached that spot. But I think

563
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: it's good to push the envelope. When did someone come

564
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: to you, someone that had any sort of prominence in

565
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: I won't say Nashville, but any music, who came to

566
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: you and said, Wow, you're different, not that you sound

567
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: different and you look different, but you're different, that you're

568
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: actually pretty good and you have a perspective a voice.

569
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: It kind of gave you confidence that you can make this. Yeah,

570
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: you know I would. I would have to say. Like, So,

571
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: I played a festival and when I got done with

572
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: my set, um Jason Isabel in the four unit we're

573
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: playing later that night, and Jason's sound engineer came up

574
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, I had no idea who

575
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: he was. He introduced himself and he's like, I think

576
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: the guys would really like to hear your music. And

577
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: he's like it's really good, you know, like I really

578
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: enjoyed your set, and I didn't expect to hear anything.

579
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, okay, yeah, I appreciate that.

580
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: And then like a day later, Um, Saddler hit me

581
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: up on Instagram. He's like, hey, love your voice, Like

582
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: I've looked up your music. You know what do you

583
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: have going on? Like we should chat, Like I would

584
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: love to write with you and just talk. And so

585
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: like two days later we hopped on a on a

586
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: FaceTime and uh, he was like, you know, play me

587
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: some of your stuff, you know. He his he was like,

588
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get into producing. Do you

589
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: do you have a producer? He's like, I would love

590
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: to like aberate with you. And so I pitched him

591
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: the idea of Wilder Days. I sat down. That's the

592
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: first song I ever played him, and it just went

593
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: from there. It was so like organic. Um, you know,

594
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: he didn't want any anything from me, and so I

595
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: came out to Nashville and we just clicked. And his

596
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: thing was just I don't want any money. I know

597
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: you don't have any money. Like, let's just work together.

598
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: We'll work here at my house, let's write some songs.

599
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: And we started recording demos and you know, before I

600
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: met him, I didn't have a booking agent or manager

601
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: or or anything. And so that all just started to

602
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: fall into place because the demos kind of started circulating around.

603
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: When you say you came to Nashville, what does that mean?

604
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Obviously you get in a car or I got in

605
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: a car and I drove here here? Do you like,

606
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: get a hotel room? Do you find that? Like? What

607
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: how long do you stay? Yeah? I came out there.

608
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I think the first time I met with Sadly, I

609
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: came out here and I was out here for a

610
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: couple of days something like that. You just got a

611
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: hotel and cram rights in, Like you you're here, morning starts,

612
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: you're writing until you go to bed. Yeah, yeah, I

613
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 1: like And I've enjoyed that because it's like, I mean,

614
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: I've been doing stuff all day. It's like, okay, she's

615
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: out here right now. We have to get all this

616
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: stuff done so versus you know, me living out here

617
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: and they've been like, hey, we need you to come

618
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: here Tuesday at tune, Thursday at four, you know, stuff

619
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: like that. They have to get it done in the

620
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: x amount of time and then leave me alone. You know,

621
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: there's so many stories about new artists they're coming to

622
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: town or being in town and having someone take advantage

623
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: of them money. Um, hey, I'm promising you this and

624
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: they don't get it. But you come and you spend

625
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the first couple of days here. Did you feel like

626
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: it was legit? Like wow, like this may not turn

627
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: into anything massive, but what was coming from him was sincere?

628
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Saddlers like the nicest person ever

629
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: and and and he just um I could tell he

630
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: just he just believed in it. He was just like

631
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: really excited. And I didn't feel any pressure to do

632
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: anything other than just you know, throw ideas around with

633
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: him and make some music that he believed in. You

634
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: go back home, and how long until you start to

635
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: get these things back emailed you or texted to you like, hey,

636
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: check it out, listen to this Saddler. That's the thing

637
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: about him. He will work on something all night until

638
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: it's it's done, and and typically I'll have a rough

639
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: of something within a few hours. Did you hear a

640
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: slightly different version of you? Because now you had somebody

641
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: pretty good working on your stuff? Like, did you hear

642
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: you in a way you hadn't heard yet? Yeah? Oh

643
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: for sure, because it was you know, even though it

644
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: was just you know, a rough demo at his house,

645
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: it was still more professional than anything I'd ever had done,

646
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't know how to do that,

647
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't grow up around those resources or anything. So hearing

648
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: something you've worked on, like actually recorded, actually sent to

649
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: you like that, and it yeah, it was. It was

650
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: incredible when to those dreams start to happen. Well, I

651
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: could actually be in music star. So at the time,

652
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I was actually working a job in tax reassessment. But

653
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: what kind of taxes? So basically I worked for this

654
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: company and they would bid on towns that like and

655
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: and you would go around and assess the properties. If

656
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: they you know, built anything, you had to make note

657
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: of that basically to be taxed on it, you know,

658
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: for real estate purposes. No one likes that, and no

659
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: one likes the little tattooed girl showing up on their

660
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: porch either. I had the cops called multiple times, it was.

661
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: But I only had to work Monday through like Thursday,

662
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: and it was full time and so I had like

663
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, Sunday I could go play shows

664
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and I could take a hit, you know, not making

665
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: any money and try to like get my foot in

666
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: the door in all these different places, but yet not

667
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: be broke. Um. But Saddler finally set me down and

668
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, you know you gotta go all in.

669
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: You gotta choose one or the other because you're kind

670
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: of starting to get at this this point where you

671
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: got to dedicate more to the music if that's what

672
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: you really want to do. And he was right, and

673
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: so I think. Um, driving back home, I called my

674
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: boss and was like, hey, I'm gonna give you my

675
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: my I'll finish out this job and then then that's

676
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm done. They weren't upset because I was horrible at

677
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: that job. It was. It was. It was pretty bad. Also,

678
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: of all the jobs that maybe you look like you

679
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: would do, tax assessor, I think would be I don't know,

680
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: five on the list. Yeah, yeah, it was. I liked

681
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: it because like it's just the tattoos is all it is.

682
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah now, And it was. It was. But it was

683
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: funny because you see a lot of stuff, you know,

684
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting people just and people would assume too.

685
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times that had people be

686
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: like thinking I was like selling like cookies or something.

687
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I am not a girl scout. Not

688
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: a girl scout. When did and what was the label

689
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: process for you? Like did multiple label say hey or

690
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: did one just dial in and go, we want you

691
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: to be on our label. Let's go yeah, uh like

692
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Southern and I set out to just make an EP

693
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: and so we recorded like five songs and then that's

694
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: when a couple of different labels started kind of you know,

695
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: sniffing around, and we took some meetings. The first meeting

696
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: I took was with thirty Tigers and David mcs was

697
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: was great and he was like, I love it, you know,

698
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: but you should go around take the other meetings see

699
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: if you like them better. You know. He was like,

700
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: but regardless, you you'll have a home here if you

701
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: want it, Like, we believe in what you're doing. But

702
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: he was like, you need to make an LP, not

703
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: an EP, like you've got the songs. Like. So I

704
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: met with a couple full other places and they just

705
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: wanted to change everything. They didn't want They were like, oh,

706
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: we love what you're doing, but we want change all

707
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: of it. And I'm like, well this works. Uh. They

708
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to like re record everything. I don't know

709
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: how many places. They were like, we should just do

710
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: an acoustic album, and I was like, that's really boring.

711
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: That's gonna get really boring really quickly. And so I

712
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: went with thirty Tigers and then you know, Reckless came

713
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: out last March. It wasn't even a month later. Every

714
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: label in Nashville was emailing my manager like, hey, we

715
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: want to talk. A lot of which wanted to talk beforehand,

716
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: and it was like, really, okay, you you wanted to

717
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: change everything and now you're like, I love it. But

718
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Sony Sony Music stuck out the most. Um. You know,

719
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I took a meeting with them, and I really made

720
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: them work for it. Poor Randy Goodman over there at Sonny.

721
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: I really made that poor guy like he was like,

722
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know for at the first four meetings if

723
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: you liked me. He was like, we met and you

724
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: kept your sunglasses on the whole time. I was like,

725
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: it was bright outside, dude, That's that's what he claims.

726
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: I did it to like freak him out. But um,

727
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: the thing that stuck out with them is I finally

728
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: I was just like, what do you want to change? Ham,

729
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: what do you what do you want to do? I

730
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: was like, if I stay at thirty Tigers, I was like,

731
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: what can you give me? They can't. I was like,

732
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: because I own all my stuff, I'm making really good,

733
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing good. I'm doing the best I've ever done.

734
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: I was like, what can you guys do? Like why

735
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: would I come to you? And you know, essentially, Randy's like,

736
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't want to change anything. We love

737
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: this record, like we just want to rerelease it. We

738
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: won't change a single thing. And He's like, we'll just

739
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: give you that platform and that push that a major

740
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: label can give you and more opportunities and and um

741
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: it just it ended up being the right move and

742
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: and I've I've been really happy. But they didn't. They

743
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: didn't want to change the darn thing. Yeah, I love

744
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: the music. I mean, and I'm so jaded, I'm just

745
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: around everything all the time. But you know, the record

746
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: is so good. And I like to think that I

747
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: like albums, but I'm becoming more a d D the

748
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: longer I have the option to become a d D. Honestly,

749
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, I'm a big album guy. But then

750
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: it's like, if I don't love love the artist, I'll

751
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: just check out a few songs, skip over a couple

752
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: and so I find myself being a huge hypocrite and going, uh,

753
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: that being said, like your entire project is a plus,

754
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and I haven't said that about anything and probably maybe

755
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: old dominion, but other than that, and like a couple

756
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: of Casey records ago like it's as good as anything

757
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: I've heard in years than you like, just just love it,

758
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: and um, I mean from from the Beginning and Wilder

759
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Days is the first song on the record, right, it's

760
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the first it's track one, and it's the first one

761
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: you wrote. Why why I put that one up front?

762
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Was it because you wrote it first? I think we

763
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: just really I think it's important especially to like anybody

764
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: goes a record comes out and you click on that

765
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: first song right there, you want to hook on, man, Like,

766
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: don't just put some kind of weird something on there,

767
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to put the best foot forward, and

768
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and uh, Sadler Saler did too, and I think it

769
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: made sense. It was it was the song that we

770
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: based the whole album around. It was the first one,

771
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and and to me, I think that's really important you

772
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: get that real core piece of that record and then

773
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: you you're like, Okay, this is the direction I want

774
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: to take it, and so it made it made sense

775
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: to put it first. Let me play a clip of

776
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Wilder Days. Here you go, Hey Smith, So let's talk

777
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: about this song specifically. Where did you write it, who

778
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: did you write it with? So I actually wrote kind

779
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: of a version of Wilder Days myself and I and

780
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: that's what I had pitched the Saddler and he was like,

781
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: all right, this is this is great. Obviously needed to

782
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: change some things up, and um so we we kind

783
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: of sat down and and and like said, I had

784
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: to draft it out, but we made a lot of

785
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: changes and and I'm so glad we did. I found

786
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: the old version of it that I had written one

787
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: day and I listened to it. I was like, dear God,

788
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I would never want anybody to hear this version of it.

789
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: But we we sat down and really he helped me too,

790
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: as a writer. You know, I've never co written with anybody,

791
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: and so he really helped kind of push me to

792
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: to dig a little deeper and and and be more

793
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: honest and authentic with it. And um, so we God,

794
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: we worked on that song. I'll never forget. There's just

795
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: like parts of it, like the Wilder Days, just singing

796
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Wilder Days. I stood in front of that microphone for

797
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: a solid forty five minutes, singing that one line over

798
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: and over and over, and I was like, I never

799
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: want to hear the song again, which Wilder Days like that,

800
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: that part of it he made me. And he was

801
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: in his kitchen fretting chicken for tacos and he would

802
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you can keep going. I think you

803
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: and I I could see that part of my sleep now.

804
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I hated it, but he I remember we finally finished

805
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: that song up. It was like eleven PM, and I

806
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna go back. He's like,

807
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, We're gonna go to Jenny's ice Cream

808
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: and we're gonna listen to this. And we go and

809
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: we're getting his Honda element and he is blasting Wilder

810
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Days as long as he are, as loud as he

811
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: possibly can on our way to get Jenny's ice cream

812
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: at like eleven PM. But he was so excited. And

813
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: that's how I knows, like, man, this man believes in

814
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: me more than you know anybody else. Your version wasn't

815
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: melodically the same, or did you did you change lyrics. Yeah,

816
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: we change lyrics, and it made more sense and flows better.

817
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: You know, I there for a long time, didn't like

818
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: I didn't have the bridge or any of that in there.

819
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: But then, of course Sadler is a guitar god, so

820
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, he really came in with the riffs and

821
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: kind of helping me mix things up to where it

822
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: wasn't just so repetitive. The whole song is all of

823
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: the the information in the song. True, it's Chicago. Is

824
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: that a real reference? Yeah? You just rhyme words? No,

825
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: there they were, They were all real references. Yeah. And

826
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: does the person that the song is about This is

827
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: the question you'll get asked in thousand times. Do they

828
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: know it's about them? Yeah? For sure? And have they

829
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: reached out? No? No, no, And if if if that

830
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: person hears this, um um, you know it's all good.

831
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: It's all good now, you know, young and dumb and

832
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: times were different than then. But was this the person

833
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: at nineteen the same person? No? Different person? Matches of metaphors.

834
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Track number two And I'm not going in order for

835
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: any reason other than like when I listened to these songs.

836
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: When I was listening, because I've listened to the record

837
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: a hundred times at this point. Um, I think it's

838
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: the only album I have saved right now my entire Spotify,

839
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. And so this is maybe

840
00:40:48,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: my second favorite song by kid right now. That was

841
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the song that you a new new song you wrote

842
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: for this or did you have a version of it

843
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: already as well? Now this one, this one UM just

844
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: wrote straight through. Um, I had, uh, basically the verses

845
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: in the chorus down and and then Southern kind of

846
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: helped me add the bridge in there. That was one

847
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: thing before I met Southern, I wasn't putting any bridges

848
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: or anything in my songs, so they were pretty pretty

849
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: straightforward and repetitive. And uh, he kinda he kind of

850
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: helped me there get into ah adding some more dynamic

851
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: to these songs. But we we wrote that. I had

852
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: that one. Actually stayed up all night one night. I

853
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: drink way too much coffee that day and when when

854
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: I set up and it was pouring rain at my house,

855
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: and uh, I didn't have internet or anything where I

856
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: was staying at the time, it wasn't working, And I

857
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: just set up and I wrote that song. Do you

858
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: write lyrics first? Do you write a melody first or

859
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: do you have do you have an idea? Like what

860
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: is it for you? Weirdly and off, I hear the

861
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: words in my head. I hear them in a melody,

862
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: So like when I when I write a phrase out,

863
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: that's how I hear it in my head. And so

864
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: I try to just figure out that. On guitar, Okay,

865
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: you did your hands like you're playing keys. I don't

866
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: know why I don't. That's a weird guitar. That's a

867
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: very weird guitar. Yeah, I don't know why I did that,

868
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, I meant like that. I promised you know

869
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: how to play guitar. Confusing a bit, at least at

870
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: first when I heard had heard of you, um the

871
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Morgan w Morgan wall and Morgan Wade. Yeah, I think

872
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I was typing in your name and Morgan. I don't know.

873
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: It was just do people often not confuse you too?

874
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: But do they ever call you Morgan Wallen on accident

875
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: because it's just in their head like I've been tagged

876
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: and stuff and and and then they're like oops, yeah

877
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, yeah that kind of thing. It's both Oh yeah,

878
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: a second letter was he already on the scene when

879
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: you were here and starting yeah oh yeah yeah yeah

880
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. No no talk of changing Morgan Wade like

881
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Morgan bad or something. No, no, no one, No one

882
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: came up with that. No. No. There's also a bye

883
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: pro bi m x R. Yes, And it is funny

884
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: because his friends and fans and stuff will tag him

885
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: and stuff and they'll be like, dude, what the hell

886
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: you know we we thought you were right, you know,

887
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: making jokes. And I've actually messaged him about it before.

888
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: So I was watching on maybe it was last night

889
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: or the night before. You were doing a live TikTok

890
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: last night, that was last night, and you're playing Are

891
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: you reading the comments as you're on there? Or are

892
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: you just I can't because I read a couple of

893
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: comments and they maybe want to laugh, and so it

894
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of like messes me up, and I'm like, but

895
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: it's I've never I've never done the TikTok. I've never

896
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: really been on TikTok. And so my team was like,

897
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: we need you need to like do a TikTok live,

898
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, and so they kind of helped me set

899
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: that up, and you know, try not to read the

900
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: comments too much. I don't read the comments to anything.

901
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: I think people like you, though. That's a difference in

902
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you and me. People have a lot of opinions about me,

903
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and they go all different directions, not all good. I

904
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: think people like you. I think you're gonna be pretty positive. Um.

905
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: I do want to play reckless here is I'm a

906
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: reckless dech lovely. So you wrote every song on this,

907
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: which I would have expected, especially since you said you

908
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: just write songs all the time. What's the oldest song

909
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: on this new project? Um, the oldest song would be

910
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: meant and Um. That's the first song that Saddler had

911
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: like looked up of mine and heard and he was like,

912
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: you really need to put mint on there. It was

913
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: it was one of his favorite songs, and it almost

914
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: didn't make it because I was just so tired of it. Um.

915
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to, you know, you

916
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: always want to put your news songs out right exactly,

917
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: and and he just really loved that song so much.

918
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: And I'm glad we put it on there. Um, But

919
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: that that's the oldest song. Have you done any sort

920
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: of radio tour yet where you go to radio stations?

921
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Have you done that at all? Um? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

922
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's been kind of kind of weird with COVID,

923
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a lot of different protocols and

924
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are you know, still work it

925
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: from home and stuff like that. But does everyone go

926
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: straight to the tattoos first? Um? Most of the time. Yeah,

927
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: they're like a lot of the ti who kissing Kate

928
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: kates all the yep. And so what is your stock

929
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: answer when someone goes what's up with the tattoos? Yeah?

930
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'm just like, oh, I forgot

931
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I had tattoos, you know, I just say something like

932
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and then they're just like, okay, this girl, when did

933
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: because you mentioned earlier? And I've held onto it because

934
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I get addicted to things quickly

935
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: and hard. When did the tattoo things start? And was

936
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: it all at once or did you just kind of

937
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: just mess around with a little bit? No? No. Um.

938
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: Also my freshman year of college, UM, I remember I

939
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: was sitting in my like apartment and one of my

940
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: friends was there and she was just like, I think

941
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: you would like tattoos. I don't know why she said that,

942
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, I should do that. I think

943
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: I had ninety dollars in my bank account, and I

944
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: went and I got a tattoo, and then I was

945
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I really like this, and I think

946
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: a few weeks later I went and got like three

947
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: more at one time. A few weeks later I got

948
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: paid between with the goal of covering. Is the goal

949
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: now to cover your whole body? No, I don't really

950
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: know what my goal is anymore than I'm gonna be

951
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: honest with you. The you know, getting tattoos at nineteen

952
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: and then getting tattoos now at the pain is a

953
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: lot different. I swear it hurts more now. And maybe

954
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: it's just because I've ran out of all the easy spots.

955
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Um And I used to say, oh, I'm just gonna

956
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: get like one. I have one on the inside of

957
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: my arm. Was like that's it. And you know, it

958
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: was like, I won't go past here, and I promised

959
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: my mom wouldn't go past here. And then here we

960
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: are and I have my throat tattooed, and literally there,

961
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'm gonna be honest with you. It

962
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: really was not. It wasn't It wasn't bad. My chest

963
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: is not filled in because that hurts so bad. I

964
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: felt that in my throat. I didn't feel my throat

965
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: at all. Your chest you felt, yeah, in my throat,

966
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: but the throat throat, I didn't feel it. The throat

967
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: really wasn't that bad. I mean, I would like to relate.

968
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: I've got like four or five but the only thing

969
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: that hurt me was up near this crease of the arm.

970
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: But that's like I'm like a second grader being like,

971
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: lookam boo boo, and you're like a college graduate like

972
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: that's nothing, kid, no, no it. I complain like the

973
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: whole time. But yeah, my mom used to be kind

974
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: of like, please don't. But I mean the other day

975
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: she's like, when did you get that clover on your hand?

976
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh co She's like that's really cute.

977
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what is happening. It does in a way,

978
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: not that you need it, but especially whenever you're being introduced,

979
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: it does legitimize you as like I'm an artist, Like,

980
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: regardless of of how you feel about me or if

981
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: you like my music, like, I'm an artist. I'm not

982
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: a prepared little pr singer. Like you are a legitimate

983
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: artist before you even hear you sing, because visually you

984
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: go well, this girl isn't have round yeah, and you

985
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: know that right, like you know it. You know that,

986
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: like people believe you because it's almost like you have

987
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: the story written on you up. Like people know I'm

988
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: a nerd because my glasses. I wear glasses because I

989
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: need them, but they're part of the story, right, I

990
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: have big, dark, grim glasses, and they're like that guy

991
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: is a nerd, and he's probably pretty smart, and he

992
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: probably got pounded as a kid, and that's why it's

993
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of funny, like you can tell just boop glasses here.

994
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: I am the same thing with you, Like I look

995
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: at you. I haven't met you before now. I've been

996
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: a big fan, but I haven't met you until now.

997
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: And I go one. She's hardcore about it whatever she's

998
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: involved in, because she's committed these tattoos, so she she

999
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: feels and then two like I wouldn't I wouldn't mess

1000
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: with you, like I feel like you would shank me.

1001
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like it what happened to Like

1002
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: that's I wouldn't cross you because you can take the

1003
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: punishment of a needle in a tattoo over and nowhere.

1004
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong? I pass out when I

1005
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: get my blood drawn. Okay, I don't need to you

1006
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: don't need to kill would I have to feel? Well,

1007
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just being honest here. We've we've talked

1008
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: about honesty. I'm honest. Um yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm

1009
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: glad you see it that way. A lot of people

1010
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: are just like she's just got so many different ones.

1011
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: She can't make her mind up. Okay, you know I

1012
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: never thought about it like that. You thought about it

1013
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: in a positive way. I thought about it in a

1014
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: way of you have committed to who you are. Yeah,

1015
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I like that way better. But is it that now

1016
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: she's running a second one? Is it because you're good?

1017
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: Like I really? I really did. And I had this

1018
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody, UM, just about how you know, I

1019
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: am tired of just like listening to what everybody else

1020
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: wants me to do. And I'm like, you know it,

1021
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter because at the end of

1022
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: the day, those people they just have they have to

1023
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: live with their choices. I have to live with mine.

1024
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna go not do something because I'm

1025
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: afraid of what. You know. I remember when I got

1026
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: my hands tattooed, I had somebody look at me and

1027
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I hope the music thing pans out

1028
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna be able to do anything else.

1029
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I don't I'm not gonna worry

1030
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: about that. But well, I'm not gonna get my hands

1031
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: tattooed because I might not be able to do this

1032
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: music thing and the hands are hardcore there. I'm glad

1033
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: I got that. I'm glad I got those done a

1034
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: long time ago because they hurt. What do we see?

1035
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: Hold them up? Rock rock roll? Rock and roll? What's

1036
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: on the underside of that? They're like old sailor tattoos.

1037
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: I ever had a you know, we ever wanted to

1038
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: sail I ever thought about getting on the old ship.

1039
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: You could do that if musically didn't work out with you.

1040
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: That's true, I could be a sailor. What else? What else?

1041
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: Are you passionate about? Shoes? Sneakers? I do like sneakers.

1042
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I saw you got some new ones. Yeah, I mean again,

1043
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick I have I come from addicts.

1044
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm an addict. Just I've never had a drink because

1045
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: I know I'll drink everything, and I'll never do drugs

1046
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: because I know I'll do. I'll win at drugs. There's

1047
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: not even a game, but I'll win. But what happens

1048
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: is I put that in other places because I know me.

1049
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: I was always jealous of kids who had nice shoes.

1050
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: And in the first like check I ever got where,

1051
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I'm not living paycheck to check.

1052
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: I bought a pair Jordan's like they mean so much

1053
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: to me because I never had. That's that's how I

1054
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: feel about my so up until I guess I've had

1055
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: my car for about a year now, Um, I never

1056
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: had a car they see ever, never had a carton,

1057
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: none of that, and legit for the up until I

1058
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: was doing pretty good, you know, making finally making money

1059
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: and stuff with my friends. Really, why are you still

1060
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: driving a two thousand seven Honda Odyssey? Why are you

1061
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: driving this minivan? I was like, well, my mom was

1062
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of it and get a new van,

1063
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: and so I gave them fifteen hundred dollars and I

1064
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: took that minivan and I was like, the lumbar support

1065
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: is great. And so finally I was like all right,

1066
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean I could not make my mind up on

1067
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: one on one and I finally went and got me

1068
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: a little Mercedes C three hundred and she never turns

1069
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: the air condition off, even in the winter and maybe

1070
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: thirty degrees. I knew I would beat my mom's Like,

1071
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the first person to go buy them

1072
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: a brand new Mercedes. Drove it off the lot and

1073
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: there'll be no A C in that, like you will

1074
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: be that. I get my first bus, the heat and

1075
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: the A C went out in the front of it.

1076
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is kind of funny

1077
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, you know, I got to

1078
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: find a little humor, but I can I get it

1079
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: with Like the shoes, which I've been checking out your

1080
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: Balensioga shoes. I love balenci Auga. There's stuff so weird

1081
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and I love it. These are the greatest because they're

1082
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: We're also tennis shoe. I love a flip flopp or

1083
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: a slide. Yeah, and these are my winter slides. There

1084
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: you go. And I like that. I love shoes. And

1085
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: I spent too much money on shoes because I didn't

1086
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: have any money to buy shoes, right And and I've

1087
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: heard you have nineteen Mercedes is now yeah, just got you.

1088
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: I had nineteen and then and then um, now I

1089
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: have twenty two. So you're a shoes person there too. Yeah, yeah,

1090
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: what what what do you like the most? Probably I'm

1091
00:53:53,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm all about the Jordan's. Yeah, consistently. Yeah, man clean. Yeah,

1092
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm very weird about and that's probably a problem, um sue.

1093
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: Right now, I just living, you know, I'm not home much,

1094
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: so I have like a one bedroom cabin out by

1095
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: the river. It's like real peaceful shoes just piled up

1096
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Jordan's because I was getting in these lotteries and you know,

1097
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: you put in and then if you get them, you

1098
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: get them. If you don't, you don't want for there.

1099
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: For a long time I was not getting any I

1100
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: was getting really stressed, and then I would just start

1101
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: putting in for like four or five different pair and

1102
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: then it was like, congratulations, You've got all days, and

1103
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: just like oh gosh. But I went out to l

1104
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: A and went in some of those stores where they're

1105
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: just like up the wall you have stock use that.

1106
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I do use stock X them. Yeah, it takes a

1107
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: little long to get in and I'm a little I

1108
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: don't really have to pay, but I will buy occasionally

1109
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: some stuff in stock X, especially if it's stuff I can't.

1110
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: I bought some pink New Balance. The thing about New

1111
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Balance now is now they know they're cool. They now know,

1112
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: and so now they're just jacking the prices. Like when

1113
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: it was just a good dad shoe. Yeah, those were

1114
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: the days. That's so yeah, all that's coming back. But now, hey, Mike,

1115
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: you have a question about one of the tattoos. Yeah,

1116
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about getting a Simpsons tattoo, and I

1117
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: know you have Maggie Simpson, like would inspire that? Uh,

1118
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just thought it was really funny

1119
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: on all the Christmas and like Cold episodes where they

1120
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: would dress her up and she looked like a little star. Literally,

1121
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: there's no story behind that. I will say. Um, I

1122
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm saying this, but I so I

1123
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: have a new newly diagnosed bladder condition. Very fun. But

1124
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: it's weird because I was going to my doctor and

1125
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: he was just kind of like a very stoic command

1126
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: and have anything. And then all of a sudden he

1127
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: was over there washing his hands and his hey, is

1128
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: that a Maggie tattoo on your legs? And I was

1129
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he was like, Simpsons is still going.

1130
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: They're still making episodes and that was it. And they

1131
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: walked out in the room and I was like, well,

1132
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: he knew, he knew Maggie Simpson was so I was like,

1133
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: I guess I got it. For some reason, that tattoo

1134
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: brought you guys together. It brought us together. But that's

1135
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: a little awkward. Yeah, yeah, but the tattoo is what

1136
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: brought us together. I'll share a little with you two.

1137
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: I have an odd IBS issues, which I never knew

1138
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: even was a thing. Yeah, And I had to go

1139
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: in and get the old tube what's it called, the

1140
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: colonosopy and an endoscopy and they put you under, Yeah,

1141
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: and you come up and nothing was wrong with me.

1142
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: And I went through all that work and nothing was

1143
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: wrong with me. They can't find it, So maybe I

1144
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: just have what you have. Yeah, yeah, it's uh. I've

1145
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: been dealing with that since I was like seven, and

1146
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: towards the end of well, I didn't know, and then

1147
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: towards the end of the last tour, and then I

1148
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: was doing radio stuff that really tired and really grumpy

1149
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: and was like losing my mind, like hallucinating, couldn't figure

1150
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: out what was going on. I went to the doctor

1151
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. Since they put me on

1152
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: like a to get like a catheter once a week

1153
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: because I was just going to doctors and they were

1154
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: just like giving me an antibiotic and like writing it

1155
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: off and I was never getting better and they didn't

1156
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: like actually check. So now I'm like immune to a

1157
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of antibiotics because of all. Yeah, so it's it's

1158
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: been fun now and nobody can't fix you because they

1159
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: overprescribed your body. But that doctor liked my sinceons tatut

1160
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: and this has been a medical minute with I do

1161
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: want to mention that the deluxe edition of your record

1162
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: is out and it the next six songs, the last

1163
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: six songs came out, What's stay the first. It's been

1164
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: like four days, so I haven't had time to listen

1165
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: to these over and over and over again yet only

1166
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: one time all the way through. Um so the six

1167
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: songs that came out is that what the label said

1168
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: they were going to do, is that what they said

1169
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: that they could do for you is put out a longer.

1170
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: So that was actually my idea, Like from the beginning,

1171
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: I knew that I always like when artists do that,

1172
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, they go out and they put the dux

1173
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: out and um, I mean like to me, especially if

1174
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a record that I really like and then they

1175
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: go add a few more songs out with that. I

1176
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: always find that be really cool and and they were

1177
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: really cool with that. So here is through your eyes

1178
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: the word Chilotte kind of watching think we're getting close

1179
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: to wrapping this thing up. We've been here for an hour. Um,

1180
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: I've got to wonder and I've got to imagine now

1181
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: that when you're playing shows and are you still doing

1182
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: shows with Ryan Herder? I am, yeah, like one of

1183
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: my buds, like the greatest guy, super nice. I have

1184
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: to wonder though, if people are starting to know your

1185
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: songs a lot more and you're noticing it in the crowd. Yeah,

1186
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Wilder Days. We we always played that one last and

1187
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: if they don't know any other word, they you know,

1188
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: it's any other song they know Wilder Days and it's insane.

1189
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: It's It's like, that's one of the best compliments you

1190
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: can get as an artist, to have them singing, screaming

1191
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: every word. Are you starting to feel that, hey, I

1192
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: think I might actually make it, This might actually be

1193
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: something better than just getting a record deal, Like, are

1194
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: you starting to feel that a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1195
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm looking forward to you know,

1196
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: we're working on getting me my own like headline run,

1197
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, with COVID and everything, it's been all these

1198
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: shows are getting moved and uh, venues have been full,

1199
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: and so we've been on a lot of opening shows.

1200
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: But I'm like really excited to get out there and

1201
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: do like my own own run. And I'm not nervous

1202
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: about it anymore because i know, like what little shows

1203
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: I have done, you know, in the past year, like

1204
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: just me like I can sell those out and and

1205
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: and that's like a good feeling to be able to

1206
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: go and do that and have to add other dates

1207
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: because you're selling stuff out when you move into town soon,

1208
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: I need to the next three months months. Yeah, I

1209
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: thought that you seem like you have enough room here

1210
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: on just just just you know, stack up and you

1211
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: probably could move in a part of the house. I'd

1212
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: never even know, you know, just let the bag, you know.

1213
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: Ye uh, you know, I think Morgan's thought me under

1214
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: the bus more than than any other artists so far.

1215
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. Okay, I'll never be back. You're like,

1216
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: you're never coming. I do have to say, one of

1217
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: my my best friend. She listens to you religiously every

1218
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: day and yes, every single yeah, Hannah, Hannah, Hannah, she

1219
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: got married Hannah love it. Oh. I still call her

1220
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: by her maiden name, but yeah, she listens to you

1221
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: all the time. And so I guess you you had

1222
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: given me like a shout out, you talked about me.

1223
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: She freaked out, called me screaming, like she she doesn't

1224
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: get excited about like a lot of stuff, but like

1225
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: she she loves you. And so anyway, I feel like

1226
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: she's been talking about you and apparently tagging my name

1227
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: on your stuff for the last someone has been doing

1228
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 1: that because randomly you would just be tagged in pictures Hannah. Yeah,

1229
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's been like she's been doing that

1230
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: for years. So I feel like I really owe her, Like, hey,

1231
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm here right now. Well it's been really good to me.

1232
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: Twice we've had to delay this, yeh. And so I'm

1233
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm just a massive fan, you know, without ever meeting you.

1234
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm a massive fan of and I meet

1235
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: somebody and I'm like, man, I wish I wasn't, but

1236
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: that's not the case. Here. You're awesome. Yeah, you had

1237
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: sit right now, he's not. Here's the thing, I don't

1238
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: have to say that, and I wouldn't say that, so

1239
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: but I don't even need to wish you success. Like

1240
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: you're you're really really good. You're authentic. Um, you know

1241
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: you have, you have something to say, You have a perspective.

1242
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's so hard to have an original perspective.

1243
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: And I think that the key to having an original

1244
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: perspective is just sharing your own. And sometimes people are

1245
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: afraid to do that. And I think you've done that,

1246
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm glad you're here. I can't

1247
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: wait for you to move to town. And I'm a

1248
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: big fan, So pencil me in a fan number ninety

1249
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: four thousand and six. Okay, as long as I have

1250
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: my spot, I feel pretty good. Let's go to read

1251
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: reading our video. Guy read, you get one question. We

1252
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: always make read ask a question at the very end.

1253
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: All Right, you say you're a big Elvis fan. Have

1254
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: you ever been to Graceland in Memphis? Twice? Twice? Twice?

1255
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: I have? Yeah, It's it's funny. Um. I went once

1256
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: when I was like, I don't know, by like ten,

1257
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 1: it felt like the longest drive from Virginia ever. Um,

1258
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: but then I went again a couple of years ago. Really, yeah,

1259
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: I've never been, but I knew you would have a

1260
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: good insight. Yeah it's it's um. And now they're fella

1261
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: here with you see your bodyguard. We actually just met

1262
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: who who who? He's my driver. He's not your driver.

1263
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Speaker 1: We actually he did drive me here. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: have my car out here off because I didn't see

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Speaker 1: when you said Mercedes, I didn't se a Mercedes coming. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's at home. Still, it's at home still. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: literally I just got in from Key West yesterday and

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Speaker 1: I leave tomorrow to go to Boston. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. Everybody. Check out reckless the deluction

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Speaker 1: just udition just came out. If you were like me

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Speaker 1: and you gobbled up the entire record, six new songs, Um,

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Speaker 1: you're killing it. This this song is gonna be a massive,

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Speaker 1: massive hit. Uh. And that's all. I have nothing else

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Speaker 1: to say, because I've said everything good and I mean

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Speaker 1: all of it, and I'm not really going to say

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Speaker 1: much opposite of this when you leave. All right, there

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Speaker 1: she is you guys. Follow Morrigan at Morgan Wade Music,

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Speaker 1: Morgan Wade Music, Thanks Morgan, Yeah, thank you. H