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Speaker 2: tour is in La jaymart what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 1: Doing pretty well? Doing pretty well. It's really strange to

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Speaker 1: see Bowl games on right. Like I wasn't really I

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Speaker 1: wasn't up on the Bowls starting on December fourteenth, and

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Speaker 1: now I look up and I remember, oh yeah, Friday

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Speaker 1: is the first playoff game. Yep. Man, we're getting right

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Speaker 1: to this, aren't we. Like it's exciting. I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: don't have that much of a of a break because

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Speaker 1: I'm real this thing play out and see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: But it really has just kind of snuck up, like

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Speaker 1: here we go, like we we're pretty much already there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because obviously, look, you know, the old

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Speaker 2: era of college football, you know, we'd really have about

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Speaker 2: three weeks off before quote unquote meaningful postseason games. And

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Speaker 2: it was funny because you know, like even you know,

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Speaker 2: you look at the schedule like Monday Tuesday and sit

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Speaker 2: there and think, oh, we got all this time before

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Speaker 2: the playoffs starts, and it hit me like Monday night,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wait, next week is game week.

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Speaker 2: Like we got four really big games. And that was

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Speaker 2: when I was like, Oh, all that stuff that I've

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Speaker 2: been putting off because we have so much college football,

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Speaker 2: so much NFL, Yeah, I better actually get that done

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Speaker 2: this week. I better do some Christmas shopping this week, because,

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Speaker 2: like you said, this week coming up, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: a lot about the college football playoff, We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: a lot about the games ahead. And it is full

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Speaker 2: speed ahead from there. But jaymart, let's go back. Let's

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Speaker 2: go back about two hours from now, from from right

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Speaker 2: when we're speaking here. Just two hours ago, the Heisman

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Speaker 2: Trophy was announced, and obviously this is always a fun night.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a nice cap to the college football

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Speaker 2: regular season. To your point, the postseason starts a little

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Speaker 2: bit quicker than we're used to, but in a move

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Speaker 2: that I don't think necessarily surprised anybody, although I was

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Speaker 2: a little bit surprised on how close the vote. The

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Speaker 2: vote ultimately ended up being Travis Hunter is your twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four Heisman Trophy winner. He took home in total

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Speaker 2: two thousand, two hundred and thirty one points, including five

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two first place votes, ashtingenty three hundred

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Speaker 2: and nine first place votes. This was actually the closest

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Speaker 2: Heisman race since two thousand and nine, mark Ingram and

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Speaker 2: Toby Gerhardt. I was actually stunned at how close.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: No disrespect to ash gingenty but where what you know,

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Speaker 2: just just your big picture takeaways on the Heisman Trophy ceremony,

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Speaker 2: which went final about two hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we'll talk about Travis Hunter and what

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Speaker 1: he said here in just a minute, but you're pointed

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Speaker 1: about it being close, Like I had the same reaction.

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Speaker 1: You didn't like, Wow, Really, I had a horrible take

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Speaker 1: early in this season where I was just like, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna be talking about Travis Hunter by the end

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Speaker 1: of this year. But that was before we thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: Colorado was going to rattle off all the wins that

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Speaker 1: they rattled off, and he was so instrumental in that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out about Gent because we

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Speaker 1: know how great he was, and I think you have

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Speaker 1: to you have to say this Without Gent, they don't

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Speaker 1: sniff the playoff, no doubt, right, I mean they that's

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Speaker 1: it right there. They end up with a buy, which

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Speaker 1: we could have an argument about that because I don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's a thing that's going to be happening

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Speaker 1: for very long. But they end up with a buy

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Speaker 1: in the college football Playoff because of him, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's why he gets a lot of out of respect. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had an unreal season. He's incredible running

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Speaker 1: on the next level as well. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: of all, I'm glad they went with Travis Hunter. Had

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Speaker 1: been just an absolute robbery. But there's nobody more valuable.

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Speaker 1: When you're playing both sides of the ball and you

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Speaker 1: on both sides. It's not like you were a liability

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Speaker 1: were excellent in that role, and you were excellent on offense,

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Speaker 1: and you were a consummate teammate, and you were there

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Speaker 1: for everything that was going on in one of the

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Speaker 1: best stories in college football all year long. So I

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Speaker 1: think the first thing is congrats to Travis Hunter. He

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Speaker 1: completely earned it. And then the second thing is what

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Speaker 1: I sent you right after he won and we were

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Speaker 1: listening to a speech and I was just like, man,

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, I've known a bunch of Travis

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Speaker 1: Hunter in my life. Sure, those were the guys I

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Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, that's that's just a fun loving guy.

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Speaker 1: That is who he is. There was nothing about that

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Speaker 1: Hunter being Travis Hunter, like being caught up in the moment,

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Speaker 1: some great words when she was talking to Holly row afterwards,

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Speaker 1: like really hard not to get down with this, Like

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter was exactly what you would want to represent

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Speaker 1: college football. He was a kid that was extremely excited

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Speaker 1: Like just a very infectious personality who it's going to

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Speaker 1: be really easy to hope that he does well with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, first of all the personality shown through.

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Speaker 2: I did think the best part was shout out Lil Wayne.

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Speaker 1: The little Wayne thing about not knowing any of his

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Speaker 1: then just like talking to then gave lyrics for I

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Speaker 1: bet that's a first of the Heisman. Yeah, is quoting

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Speaker 1: a Heisman speech. But I just I don't think Travis

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Speaker 2: The direct quote was, you know, going through all the

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Speaker 2: thank yous coach Prime Schador, this Hunter family, his own family,

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Speaker 2: and he says, quote, Wayne, you don't know how you

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter shouting out little Wayne at the heisman ceremony.

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Speaker 2: You know one, I agree with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Just seems like just say and I think what you

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Speaker 2: what you alluded to. It's just it was so free

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Speaker 2: a twenty one year old kid, you know, in front

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Speaker 2: of a you know, millions of people that wins a Heisman.

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Speaker 2: But you know, some of the speeches have been pretty

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Speaker 2: pretty scripted whatever, and this one was, hey, coach Prime,

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Speaker 2: it was just, you know, there was just such a

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Speaker 2: genuineness to it. It was very sincere. I want to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the race with gent because

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Speaker 2: in this is something we may have talked about over

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Speaker 2: the last couple weeks. I forget like it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: it feels like whenever you say something like I'm about

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Speaker 2: to say, it sounds like you're criticizing Ashton Genty, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I understand that he quite literally had a

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Speaker 2: historic season the likes of which we've basically never seen

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Speaker 2: from the running back position before. I think, to your point, Jason,

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Speaker 2: like Boise State is in the College Football Playoff in

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Speaker 2: large part because of him. I just think what Travis

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Speaker 2: Hunter did, Like if Travis Hunter could do, if people

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Speaker 2: could do what Travis Hunter did, somebody would have done

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Speaker 2: it by now. Like the fact that we're talking about

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Speaker 2: a kid that on the season, you know, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about a kid that this year he finished with I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna pull it up two catches, eleven hundred receiving yards,

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Speaker 2: in a year in which he basically the other team

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Speaker 2: to play obviously one position at such a high level,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever see it again. And listen again,

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Speaker 2: sounds like I'm about to diminish the guy that I'm

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Speaker 2: But like Charles Woodson, like obviously Heisman incredible. No one's

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Speaker 2: ever going to take it away from him. He deserved it. Whatever,

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Speaker 2: But he had nine catches that entire year that he

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Speaker 2: won the Heisman. I understand he played a lot on

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Speaker 2: special teams, had a couple of big returns, all that,

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Speaker 2: But we think of Charles Woodson as this insane dual threat.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Travis Hunter did one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: snaps per game. That's not who Charles Woodson is. And

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that he wasn't incredible. That's not me

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Speaker 2: trying to tear down what Charles Woodson did, you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty five years ago. It's just to say that we

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Speaker 2: it's fair to assume that we're never gonna see anything

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Speaker 1: The decision man. Yeah, if you're that good, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to, you know, that's like being the college picker

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Speaker 1: that wants to get to the show. And back in

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Speaker 1: their arm was done and they were never able to

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Speaker 1: about what their career was going to be. Like. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the most important point that you made there

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Speaker 1: is that Travis Hunter, what he did was remarkable not

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Speaker 1: just because he was capable of doing it, but because

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Speaker 1: he was willing to do it great And that is

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Speaker 1: a really important way to look at it. And what

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Speaker 1: Jenti did, for example, is run the ball exception well,

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Speaker 1: which we've seen a lot of people do, and what

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter just did we may never have seen before

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Speaker 1: and we'll never see.

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Speaker 2: Again, no doubt. And I think that's the other part

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Speaker 2: is that I think that's a great point by you

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Speaker 2: is obviously this week, you know, transfer portal opens up,

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Speaker 2: guys are coming, Guys are going. That's their prerogative. It's

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Speaker 2: the new world. They're allowed to that's what the rural state.

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Speaker 2: But there is something too a kid that that puts

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Speaker 2: puts Colorado football ahead of his and then a few

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Speaker 2: an NFL future by playing the amount of snaps that

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Speaker 2: he did, by doing everything that he did. I think

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Speaker 2: it's really cool by the way him and shud Or

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to him, Travis Hunter, your twenty twenty four Heisman

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Speaker 1: Eric. What do you think of when you hear this.

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Speaker 2: Home Alone?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, that's right. It's exactly what I think of.

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Speaker 2: I haven't said ELF seems to be on pretty regularly

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Speaker 2: What is your first thought when you hear Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I said this Belichick, I don't have

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here today on December the fourteenth, at eleven

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Speaker 1: So you go to that conference of all player as

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Speaker 1: you could go. You don't go to the Big ten

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Speaker 1: of the SEC. You go to the ACC. You go

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Speaker 1: to North Carolina, which is I mean, you are following

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Speaker 1: Mac Brown and last year was really, really bad it's

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Speaker 1: North Carolina football. But North Carolina is just penthouse Kentucky

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Speaker 1: when it comes to their football program, where they look

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Speaker 1: to basketball as fast as they can too, but they

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Speaker 1: do at least side eye football for a little longer

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Speaker 1: than Kentucky fax it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, there's a lot there. I'll tell you what. This

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Speaker 2: is such a lengthy conversation. I could go in a

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Speaker 2: lot of different directions. Why don't we take a quick pause.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it over the news desk. Let's let the

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Speaker 2: sega get us caught up on everything we've missed, and

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Speaker 2: then I will respond to a lot of what you said.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead to saga. Floor is ors, my.

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Speaker 4: Friend, guys, we did not have a quarterback winning the

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Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy tonight. It's Colorado wide receiver and defensive back

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter. I bring up QB because it's the only

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Speaker 4: fifth time this century that a quarterback did not win

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Speaker 4: this trophy. In fact, the last time that no QB

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Speaker 4: was in the top two voting was almost a decade ago,

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Speaker 4: when it was Derrick Henry and Christian McCaffrey finishing one

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Speaker 4: to two. So Travis Hunter finishes won and two in

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Speaker 4: the voting. Was running back from Boise State Ashton Genty.

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Speaker 4: A distant third in the balloting was Oregon quarterback Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 4: This week, Hunter has won the AP Player of the

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Speaker 4: Year Walter Camp Award, National Player of the Year, the Heisman. Tonight,

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Speaker 4: he won for Best wide Receiver the Bolitnikoff Award, and

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Speaker 4: for Best Defensive Player the Bideneric Award. In fact, he

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Speaker 4: made Big Twelve history this season. He was named First

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Speaker 4: Team All Conference on both sides of the ball in

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Speaker 4: the same season for the first time in that league's history.

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter Heisman Trophy winner Navy defeated number twenty two

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Speaker 4: Army today thirty one to thirteen quarterback Blake Horvath with

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Speaker 4: four total touchdowns in over two hundred yards rushing. Army,

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Speaker 4: by the way, will be playing Louisiana Tech in its

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Speaker 4: bowl game. After Marshall opted out due to a wave

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Speaker 4: of transfers, Las Vegas Raiders defensive end and Max Crosby

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Speaker 4: is out for the year. He'll have ankle surgery. The

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Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs activated kicker Harrison Butker Dallas defensive back

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Speaker 4: Trayvon Diggs is likely out for the year. NFL Network

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Speaker 4: says he'll have knee surgery. NBA Cup Semifinals done in

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas tonight, Oklahoma City a winner over Houston one

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Speaker 4: eleven to ninety six thirty two points for Shay Gilgis Alexander. Earlier,

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Speaker 4: Milwaukee won its semifinal with thirty two points from Jannis

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Speaker 4: Antennacoompo beating Atlanta one ten one oh two so Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: City against Milwaukee, and the NBA Cup Final in Vegas Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Golden State is acquiring guard Dennis Shrewder from the nets.

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Speaker 4: Among the fifteen NHL games victories for Winnipeg and Washington,

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Speaker 4: Detroit four to two over Toronto. In men's college basketball,

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Speaker 4: Number one Tennessee one on a layup at the buzzer

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Speaker 4: at Illinois sixty six sixty four. Kentucky beat Louisville tonight

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Speaker 4: dayton at home, upset Number six Marquette yukon over a

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Speaker 4: Gonzaga at Madison Square Garden on Fox TV seventy seven

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Speaker 4: and seventy one. In Indianapolis. Today, Texas A and M

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Speaker 4: defeated Perdue in a Top twenty matchup. Clemson, number sixteen

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Speaker 4: in the country, lost in overtime at home to Memphis

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Speaker 4: eighty seven eighty two Cincinnati edged rival Xavier. UCLA came

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Speaker 4: back to win at Arizona by the way. Number one

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Speaker 4: Ucla and women's hoops won it's game one oh two

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Speaker 4: fifty one at Long Beach State. And there was a

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Speaker 4: women's basketball game at Vanderbilt tonight where Vandy from three

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Speaker 4: point range was two for twenty four and still won

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Speaker 4: the game by final of one oh six to forty

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Speaker 4: against Evansville because Evansville had thirty six turnovers in the

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Speaker 4: forty minute game.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Sieger. This

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports Saturday air towards DC Martin,

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Speaker 2: sixty percent off and free shipping. All right, Belichick, North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: and this one might go take us to the top

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Speaker 2: of the hour. With the way things are going, so

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Speaker 2: you said, I don't want to quote you here, but

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Speaker 2: you said there you see Did you say you see

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Speaker 2: no way in which this works or what was your

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Speaker 2: you know paraphrasal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I don't see how this works. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can be wrong, and I'm not necessarily rooting forward

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Speaker 1: to fail. I just it seems like such a square

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Speaker 1: peg in a round hole situation. It just it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't compute to my brain.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's because of the recruiting aspect? Do

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Speaker 2: you think it's what? Why do you think it besides

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Speaker 2: the fact that obviously North Carolina's done a super desirable job.

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Speaker 2: What makes you what makes you feel the way that

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Speaker 2: you do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do think. I mean it's the

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Speaker 1: age gap, and it's just the Belichick that we have

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Speaker 1: always seen, and maybe he's turned over a new leaf

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is who he was behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: We always heard he was a funny guy also the stuff,

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Speaker 1: and he's been good on TV. But I mean, college

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Speaker 1: football has become a sales job. A lot of it has.

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Speaker 1: And obviously you're not alone because you have collectives and

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Speaker 1: you have alumni and you have all these other kinds

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Speaker 1: of things. But it's just a different ballgame. And I

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Speaker 1: think that a lot of the stuff that we saw

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Speaker 1: Belichick do through the years, not that he forgot how

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Speaker 1: to coach. He's still an incredible football mind, one of,

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Speaker 1: if not the greatest, we've ever seen. But you still

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Speaker 1: have to be able to relate to players. You have

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Speaker 1: to make them want to play for you. And you

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Speaker 1: have all those horror stories of people that played for

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Speaker 1: New England and then played somewhere else and had all

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Speaker 1: sorts of glowing things to say about where they found themselves,

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Speaker 1: not as much about where they came from. So it's

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Speaker 1: the attitude and the cantankerousness, and the age gap and

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Speaker 1: the way college football has shifted, and all these things

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Speaker 1: that just seem to conglomerate to me into a proposition

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Speaker 1: that I would not bet on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so. I mean I could see the

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Speaker 2: scenario where it works. I just don't really think it's likely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, and I was telling you know,

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Speaker 2: U VJ and Martin this, you know, kind of when

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Speaker 2: we were switching studios. Like I said earlier, is one

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Speaker 2: like this. First of all, I do find a funny J.

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Speaker 2: Mart and I think you're a good person to kind

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Speaker 2: of have this conversation with because you love college sports

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Speaker 2: as much as I do. But like, first of all,

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Speaker 2: this idea and he has this four hundred page manifesto, okay, whatever,

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Speaker 2: but this idea that he's gonna bring anything real, you know,

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Speaker 2: because there was this talk early in the week of well,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna revolutionize the training table into this and the

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Speaker 2: strength It's like, there's nothing he is going to do

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Speaker 2: that Ryan Day and Sharon Moore and Kaylin de Boorr

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Speaker 2: and Kirby Smart and Steve Sarkisian are doing right now

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Speaker 2: from strength and conditioning to meal prep to this to that,

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Speaker 2: And that's I think where the naivete about where college

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Speaker 2: football is right now comes. Like I just think that's

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Speaker 2: part of the naivete is that the fact that like

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Speaker 2: I players, everything that a player gets in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: they get in college too, from strength and conditioning, meal prep, nutrition,

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Speaker 2: this that you know, the old joke used to be

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Speaker 2: that the facilities in college were better than the facilities

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Speaker 2: in the pros because in college up until three or

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Speaker 2: four years ago, that's how you sold kids is get

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Speaker 2: them in the whatever. So one, there's nothing revolution that

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Speaker 2: he's gonna do. And I do think the bigger question

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Speaker 2: is exactly what you said. Is with recruiting is one,

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Speaker 2: is he gonna do it? Period? Two? Do you realize

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Speaker 2: how time consuming it is? Like that's the part that

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Speaker 2: I don't think until you're in it you can fully understand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we all know if you love college football,

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Speaker 2: you know right now is portal season. Okay, these guys

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Speaker 2: are on zooms twenty four hours a day. They're evaluating

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Speaker 2: film twenty four hours a day, and it's it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit hyperbolic, but eighteen plus hours a day in

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Speaker 2: the you're re recruiting your own roster. And I think

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Speaker 2: those are the things that to me, until you're in it,

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Speaker 2: you just don't understand. Is one the amount of time

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Speaker 2: that goes in it, and then the other thing is

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Speaker 2: like the amount of time that you have to spend.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to say making sure your players

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Speaker 2: are happy, but kind of making sure your players are happy.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean, you know, acquiescing to them completely,

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Speaker 2: but I do think it is a world where you

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Speaker 2: kind of gotta have your finger on the pulse of

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Speaker 2: your team and the whole do your job, whatever next

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Speaker 2: man up. Like I don't really think that works in

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Speaker 2: this era of college football. Doesn't mean you can't be

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Speaker 2: tough on players, but you also just can't be completely

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Speaker 2: disinterested in anything that happens with them away from the facility,

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Speaker 2: or you're just gonna lose guys. And so, uh, there's

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Speaker 2: twenty more layers to this conversation. But I think that's

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Speaker 2: the big part is do you really know what you're

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Speaker 2: getting into from a recruiting standpoint a re recruiting standpoint.

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Speaker 2: And then, like I said, I just think in this

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Speaker 2: portal world, nio world, I think every many things. Oh,

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Speaker 2: all you do is throw a bag at somebody. Well

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Speaker 2: guess what, No, who else has my money besides North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: Miami does, an Old Miss does, and Alabama does, and

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Speaker 2: USC does. And it's like you, it can't. No one

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Speaker 2: is successful just throwing money because everybody has money. I

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Speaker 2: just don't think until you're in it you can understand

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Speaker 2: the nuance of how hard it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, oh that's right, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's well stated by you. I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, when candidates and you know, I've even known

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Speaker 1: a few that form exploratory committees, right, and they kind

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Speaker 1: of canvas around to determine whether or not there would

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Speaker 1: be enough support for them to mount some kind of

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Speaker 1: a political campaign for office. Senators, you go and you

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Speaker 1: see whether or not, you know, there's there's enough there

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Speaker 1: or if the juice is not worth the squeeze. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes you'll have yeah, we're going to form an exploratory

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Speaker 1: committee to see if we can run for president of

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Speaker 1: the United States, And then sometimes you know, we've decided

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do that because it's not there.

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Speaker 1: The one thing we haven't said so far. This tells

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Speaker 1: me that the exploratory committee in the Belichick camp found

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Speaker 1: out that the NFL is a dry Well.

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Speaker 2: Let's save that for maybe on the other side of

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Speaker 2: the break, because that's a whole other conversation that I

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Speaker 2: think is absolutely nuanced. Yeah, I want to get to that,

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Speaker 2: But do you, like, just from the college perspective, do

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Speaker 2: you think there's anything else, Like, have we missed any part?

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Speaker 2: I just think it's it's a way harder job. And

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Speaker 2: maybe it's because maybe it's because of my college basketball background,

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Speaker 2: but I've seen Patrick Ewing come in, Chris Mullen come in,

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Speaker 2: you know, fill in the blank. Mike Woodson in Indiana whoever.

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Speaker 2: These guys come from the NBA, Jerry Stackhouse, who coached

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Speaker 2: in your hometown of Nashville at Vanderbilt. They come from

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Speaker 2: the NBA, and oh, I got the x's and o's,

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Speaker 2: and I got this playbook and this and that, and

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Speaker 2: it's like that is such a small part of being

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Speaker 2: a successful college coach. And I just don't think. I

645
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Speaker 2: think all these guys come in and think, oh, my

646
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Speaker 2: ex'es and o's, my schemes, my this, my that, and

647
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Speaker 2: it's like you need players one And actually, I think

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Speaker 2: one thing that I haven't really heard anybody talk about

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Speaker 2: with Belichick is another part of it is you're limited

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Speaker 2: in the amount of time you can work with players

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Speaker 2: every week, which is for a guy that you know

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Speaker 2: is obviously a notorious grinder, It's like you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to just have guys in the facility eighteen

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Speaker 2: hours a day. That's not how it works at this level.

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Speaker 2: So I could go on and on, but I don't

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Speaker 2: want to keep cutting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, only I want to credit Stuart Mandel. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw his piece at the Athletic he

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Speaker 1: annihilated this interesting. I did not see it when it happened.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen him disopinionated in my life. He just

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Speaker 1: crushed Belichick in terms of this hire and one of

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Speaker 1: the things he laid out, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: perfect way to send us to break here. Bill Callahan

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Speaker 1: went to Nebraska, that didn't work. Charlie Weiss, great col

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Speaker 1: went to Notre Dame. He even says, he goes Charlie

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Speaker 1: Weiss and his quote decided schematic advantage of quote at

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Herm. Edwards and his vaunted quote new leadership

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Speaker 1: model on quote at Arizona State, Lovey Smith with no

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Speaker 1: discernible plan of any kind. At Illinois, Bill Callahan and

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Speaker 1: his master plan to scraut Nebraska's fame triple option offense

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Speaker 1: for the West Coast offense. So he goes through all

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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, says inevitably this does not work,

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Speaker 1: and then he talks about how Belichick has been at

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Speaker 1: Washington this year where Steve Belichick is the DC, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't land. I mean, the name of this article,

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Speaker 1: if you guys want to find it someday, it's called

677
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Speaker 1: Here's why North Carolina is going to regret hiring Bill Belichick.

678
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Speaker 1: And he calls him unqualified to be the football coach

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Speaker 1: at North Carolina. Like it's scathing, but it's right. Like,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of examples of pro coaches

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Speaker 1: going to the college game and succeeding. And this college

682
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Speaker 1: game is far different than the one from decades past.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know the stamina required. Yes, just is

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Speaker 1: Belichick up for this even if he does understand it?

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Speaker 1: Day after day after day after day after day. When

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Speaker 1: you win the Super Bowl and you can take a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks off, but when you win the National

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Speaker 1: Championship game and you're Nick Saban and you're on the

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Speaker 1: flight home and you are looking at tape of potential

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Speaker 1: recruits that you need to contact the next day, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't end. Is Bill Belichick ready for that world? I

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Speaker 1: am skeptical.

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Speaker 2: I'm skeptical as well. And I'll tell you what. Jamart

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Speaker 2: will come back and we'll discuss the world that he

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Speaker 2: left the NFL. Is this it for him in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: What could what could happen by the way that buyout drops?

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Speaker 2: Could he be back? We'll discuss that all next Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aer Torris Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: broadcasting live from thee tie ORAQ dot com studios. Let's

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Speaker 2: put a boat for now on the Bill Belichick conversation, Jamart,

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Speaker 2: we were obviously talking new North Carolina coach officially introduced

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Speaker 2: this week. I'll say, up until probably late Tuesday, I

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Speaker 2: really did think it was a ploy to get the

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Speaker 2: to get back into the NFL. I even thought the

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Speaker 2: McAfee interview on Monday. I know he always goes on,

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Speaker 2: but we've seen a million coaches that you know, are

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Speaker 2: in the media that when they start negotiating basically go

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Speaker 2: go dark. And I thought it was a ploy. I

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Speaker 2: really did. And then, like I said, Monday and a Tuesday, Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the conversations are still going on into Wednesday and it

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Speaker 2: officially happened. So I did want to kind of hold

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Speaker 2: because I think it's a lengthier conversation that's worth having

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Speaker 2: here of Bill Belichick, and one like you know, like

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Speaker 2: even if it goes well, how long. But then obviously two,

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Speaker 2: I guess what I would ask you is this do

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Speaker 2: you believe First of all, you know, we all saw

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Speaker 2: the ESPN report that basically he's kind of sickened by

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Speaker 2: what the NFL has become. All that, but one, there

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Speaker 2: is also the counterpoint of that basically, his buyout drops

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Speaker 2: to a million dollars on June first of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: And you know, listen, teams don't generally hire coaches in

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Speaker 2: June or July unless something really really bad happens. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's gonna leave North Carolina before

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Speaker 2: he ever coaches a game. But North Carolina has also

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Speaker 2: made it pretty easy for him to get out of

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Speaker 2: his contract if the NFL were interested. Goes without saying that. Basically,

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Speaker 2: there didn't appear to be very much interest this year,

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Speaker 2: and that's probably a big reason why he took the job.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this officially closes the door? You know,

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Speaker 2: does this officially close the door on him as an

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Speaker 2: NFL head coach.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it officially closes the door, but

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Speaker 1: it certainly lends credence to that direction. I think that

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Speaker 1: all the handwringing about the politics of the NFL, if

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Speaker 1: an NFL team is ready to hire him, right now,

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Speaker 1: that just never happened. Like the reason you go to

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Speaker 1: North Carolina is because the Carolina Panthers aren't going to

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Speaker 1: hire you. Like that's the truth. Like there's I don't

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Speaker 1: see a universe where Bill Belichick voluntarily goes to college

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Speaker 1: if the NFL door is open right now. Now. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that it's permanently closed, But I do think

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Speaker 1: that the get into Bill Belichick business in the NFL

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Speaker 1: has dried up a lot more than maybe we had

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Speaker 1: fully realized, even though you know, he didn't get a

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Speaker 1: job in the last cycle, and so you started to

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Speaker 1: kind of look at that and wonder, But there's probably

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Speaker 1: seven openings. Last I looked, there was seven openings. Maybe

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Speaker 1: coming at the end of the year, you'll get there's

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Speaker 1: some appetizing openings, there's some young quarterbacks, there's there's some

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Speaker 1: things to look at there, and doesn't look like Belichick

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Speaker 1: was going to be part of those plans. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of that came down to he wants

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Speaker 1: a lot of control that teams are not willing to

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Speaker 1: give him anymore, and North Carolina he's actually going to

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Speaker 1: have that control. Like if you read into some of

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Speaker 1: those things, he's actually still going to be more powerful

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Speaker 1: than he probably would have been at any of the

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Speaker 1: jobs where an NFL team would have brought him in.

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Speaker 1: They would have brought him in for a specific job,

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Speaker 1: but not with all the control that he ended up

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Speaker 1: having in New England, which was a detriment to that

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Speaker 1: franchise and likely its downfall. So the highs are really

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Speaker 1: high with Bill Belichick, but the lows are really low.

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Speaker 1: So how much power does he need? I'm afraid North

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Speaker 1: Carolina's going to get him whatever he wants obviously here,

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Speaker 1: but I think for North Carolina it's worth the risk

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Speaker 1: because their football program doesn't make news anyway. The news

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Speaker 1: that we've heard about North Carolina football in the last

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Speaker 1: handful of years is Sam Howe didn't work out when

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Speaker 1: he came back to school, ends up getting drafted and

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Speaker 1: flamed out. Drake may underperformed, but he might actually be

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Speaker 1: good based on what we're seeing in the NFL. And

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Speaker 1: outside of that, it has been a bunch of nothing

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Speaker 1: except Mac Brown tried to restart his career there and

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Speaker 1: had a year. But that's what it is. I think

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Speaker 1: this puts North Carolina on the map and puts them

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Speaker 1: on television because people are gonna want to see this

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Speaker 1: for the train wreck mentality or the positive mentality, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, there's gonna be a curiosity factor that surrounds us.

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Speaker 1: For North Carolina, I understand it. For Bill Belichick, the

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Speaker 1: only way I understand it is if the NFL door,

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Speaker 1: if it's not officially closed, it certainly is lending closed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one, it definitely feels like it is

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Speaker 2: moving towards being closed. I think the bigger question becomes

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Speaker 2: if he's really good, Like if he goes eleven and

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Speaker 2: one next year, I do think there'd be interest. But

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of stunned that there is an interest. That's

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Speaker 2: maybe an hour three conversation because I cannot believe that

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Speaker 2: with all these jobs opening up, that nobody is going

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Speaker 2: to be interested in him. Fox Sports Radio Er Towards

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back. I do want to discuss that twelve

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Speaker 2: team college football playoff bracket. Did the committee get it right?

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner, in a little bit of a closer

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Speaker 2: race than I think a lot of people expected. The

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Speaker 2: closest race as a matter of fact, since two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine when mark Ingram beat Toby Gerhardt for second place.

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Speaker 2: In that one, Marking won at Toby Garhart finished the

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Speaker 2: second place. Also talked a lot about Bill Belichick, who,

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Speaker 2: of course is the North Carolina head coach, Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: hoping to one day build North Carolina into a college

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Speaker 2: football playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Well, J Mart, you wait a second? Can we can

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Speaker 1: we put a moratorium on chapel? Bill?

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Speaker 2: Right already? You're already over it?

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Speaker 1: Should I be?

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Speaker 2: Or is this just grinch in me? Like something about it?

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Speaker 1: Every time I see it, I cringe, even though I

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Speaker 1: like maybe if I had to come up with it,

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Speaker 1: i'd like it better. But I keep seeing it from everybody,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I don't know. Maybe I should, maybe

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Speaker 1: I should back off on it. Maybe it'll grow on

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Speaker 1: me a little bit. But right now, it's like a fungus.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow. Well, uh yeah, I you know, it's one

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Speaker 2: I have no strong opinion on. I heard somebody kind

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Speaker 2: of say it offhand, and I thought it was clever.

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Speaker 2: Then Schefter made it in the official tweet, and then

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Speaker 2: I saw, you know, thirty seven different knockoff t shirts.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. The only thing I will say, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know if it was like a per like when

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Speaker 2: Schefter tweeted it. I didn't know if it was like

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Speaker 2: a purposeful branding thing, like is this North Carolina what

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Speaker 2: they plan on doing, like how they plan on branding this?

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Speaker 2: Or was it organic? I don't know. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty much already ready to pretty much already ready to

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Speaker 2: not be using that going forward. Okay, so let me

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Speaker 2: ask you. You and I were on air this same

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Speaker 2: time slot last week. Obviously we were coming on straight

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Speaker 2: off all of the college football of last week, but

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Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game as well. I have a lot

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Speaker 2: of thoughts on the addition of SMU into the college

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Speaker 2: football playoff. They were obviously the eleven seed. The big

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Speaker 2: controversy coming out of Saturday Alabama versus SMU. I have

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Speaker 2: a ton of thoughts on it, But what is your

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Speaker 2: thought on SMU making the twelve team college football playoff?

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Speaker 2: Then we can kind of just break down the bracket

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Speaker 2: as a whole.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad they get in, and I said last week,

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Speaker 1: but I thought they deserve to get in. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why is because the committee had already set the

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Speaker 1: precedent by placing them in the field spot where they

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00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been able to be overcome that they were

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Speaker 1: playoff worthy. And I don't think that them playing an

858
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: extra game that others weren't required to play should benefit

859
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: those teams that didn't have to do it. I understand

860
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: the argument about the SEC and the schedule and all this.

861
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: Like I heard fine Baum, and you know, I heard

862
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: what he said, and I wondered in my head, I

863
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: was just like, does he believe this or does he

864
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: know he has to say this? And I felt that

865
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: way about some of the discourse throughout the week that

866
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: there were certain people that I felt like had to

867
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: take certain stances, whether or not they agreed with them

868
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: or believe them or not. I don't know, I'm not

869
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: trying to question anybody's integrity, but I don't think that

870
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: there should be that much handbringing or anybody upset that

871
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: SMU got in over three Lossbama team that had two

872
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: pretty bad losses. The Van Vanderbilt turned out to be

873
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. That Oklahoma lost to me disqualified them, not

874
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: against a team that had come in with one loss

875
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: and made that kind of a comeback. But even that,

876
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: based on everything else that you saw in the playoff rankings,

877
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: nothing changed what they said was right. Those conferences, those

878
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: those title games really didn't affect much at all because

879
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: you even look at the direction of the at large

880
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: is they followed the seedings like you had. You had

881
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the top four that we're gonna be buys that were

882
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: conference champions, but then five, six, and seven were exactly

883
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: the way they were set up the week before, in

884
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: the exact same order. So Texas losing it didn't affect anything.

885
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Penn State losing didn't affect anything. I just don't think

886
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: that you could play that and then say, but SMU,

887
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna penalize them. I think they got this right.

888
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: So one I agree with you, and and you know,

889
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: it was funny I was on with Steve Hartman and

890
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: Manci earlier in the day, and what I said was,

891
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: and this has been my stance all week, is that

892
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: you can disagree with the criteria with which the committee

893
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: decided to use to you know, put teams in the

894
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: bracket and seed teams, but what you can't argue with

895
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: is they were at the very least consistent in how

896
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: they did it. And this was something like listen, you know,

897
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't have it was probably to my own detriment,

898
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: but I did watch about an hour of ESPN's coverage

899
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: when the bracket got released, and the idea, you know,

900
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: it was almost jmar. It felt like it felt like

901
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: they put together the SMU versus Bama rundown on Thursday,

902
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: and they just used the same rundown as if that

903
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: was the only piece of context that mattered. And so

904
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: to me, like you said, the committee made it very

905
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: clear that they weren't going to punish anyone for losing

906
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: in a conference championship game. And the frustrating thing to

907
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: me watching that coverage on ESPN was the idea that

908
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: if you're going to argue that SMU shouldn't be in,

909
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: I have no problem with that argument. But here's the thing.

910
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: If that's the argument, then you actually really can't argue

911
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: that Texas should have been the five seed. There's nothing

912
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: on Texas's resume that says that they are the best

913
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: at large team except to the point that you just made.

914
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: They were the highest ranked team that did not win

915
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: a conference and so by default, they just moved to

916
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: the highest rated at large spot. Penn State coming into

917
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: the weekend was the highest the second highest rated team

918
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: that was not that did not win a conference championship,

919
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: they defaulted to the second at large bid. By the

920
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: way Iowa State UNLV were ranked before their conference championship games,

921
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: they lost, they they did not fall out of the rankings,

922
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: and so that was the frustrating thing with me watching

923
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: the coverage. Then, of course, listening to coverage all week

924
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: long was the idea that, Okay, if you want to

925
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: argue sm you shouldn't have been in that's fine, But

926
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: the committee literally did not punish a single team for

927
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: lou in the conference championship game. And I want the

928
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: same energy for Texas getting the five seed when they

929
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: had zero ranked ranked wins, no you know, zero ranked wins,

930
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: no great wins period. It was the same argument, just

931
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: with a different team.

932
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I actually think that there's something here that

933
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: you can see. Like everybody argues for oh Man, Boise State,

934
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and TCU having to play each other that year. Man,

935
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: we wanted to see Boise State against one of the

936
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: big boys and TCU against one of the big boys. Yeah,

937
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: we'll put your money where your mouth is, right, Like, actually,

938
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: actually stand up for what you claim to believe in here,

939
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: because I'm starting to not believe that you even wanted

940
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Boise State and TCU to be in there at all,

941
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: because that's the argument you're making. Because really what you're

942
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: saying about SMU is they're just not a big enough brand,

943
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: Like they shouldn't be invited to this stance, Like that's why,

944
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: and that's your argument about Texas, because it's exactly right,

945
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: Texas is a brand, man, they've got to be there.

946
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: There were arguments of Ohio State should have still been

947
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: five because of their talent level. Who cares, what's the record,

948
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: what's the last thing that they did? How do you

949
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: factor all these things in? Like SMU is the penalty

950
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: was because they were SMU and not Alabama, and that

951
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the record. It has to

952
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: do with the name and the perception behind the name,

953
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: and that that to me is why I'm glad that

954
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: they kept this the way that they did. If you

955
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: believe that Alabama should have been in over SMU, you

956
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: should have ranked them ahead of SMU the week before,

957
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: and effectively, that's what the that's what the committee said

958
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: they did. And so you hear the argument that I

959
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: kept hearing was well, SMU is a path of least resistance, right,

960
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: that seems like the thing you should pick, right Like,

961
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: why would you pick the thing that's going to be

962
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: the most controversial if it's wrong. If one thing is

963
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: not really going to upset too much of the Apple card,

964
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: then it's like with the the SEC is a different

965
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: league and all that mess. Okay, then don't play the games.

966
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Don't play them at all, because SMU never had a

967
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: shot to begin with unless they went undefeated based on that.

968
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Because if we're just doing it based on brand names,

969
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 1: then we don't need to play a season. Just put

970
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: these teams in. If you look at the season, you

971
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: look at all this other stuff. I think they got

972
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: it right now. There's a few things they need to

973
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: evaluate one being the buyas that needs to be recalculated

974
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: for sure. And the other thing we talked about some

975
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: things that need to be eliminated. Go ahead, gave us

976
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the list. Last week you had the conference title games

977
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and all this. The ap pole needs to be eliminated

978
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: entirely because it creates weird discussions that don't need to happen. Sure,

979
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, right, because this is the only ranking

980
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: system that matters. Let this rank from one to twenty five,

981
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: however you want to do it. But we don't need

982
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: an ape pole that then is going to muddy the

983
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: water and create arguments where otherwise they wouldn't exist. The

984
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: apeopole at this point should be obsolete because it has

985
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with anything relevant. Let's just go

986
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: ahead and rank these teams and let one group make

987
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: this determination. I don't really give a crap at this

988
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: stage what the ap.

989
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: Says, so I agree. Let me ask you this because

990
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: I do think this is a fair conversation. I think

991
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: you might have even alluded to it earlier in the show.

992
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: The automatic not only automatic bids, the five automatic bids,

993
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: but also the top four teams getting first round automatic buys,

994
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: which obviously sets up a weird scenario where like in

995
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: Oregon as the number one seed gets the winner of

996
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: Ohio State Tennessee as opposed to say, Penn State, which

997
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: is the sixth seed and they're gonna get Boise State

998
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: in round two on a neutral Do you have any

999
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 2: problem with either of those two things? At the five

1000
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: auto bids or the four first round byes to the

1001
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: highest rated the highest rated conference champions.

1002
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: Well, the auto bids is going to create controversy when

1003
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: you have a Clemson end that doesn't deserve to be

1004
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: in but won their way in, for example. I have

1005
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: a bigger issue with the buys because even though you

1006
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: know you win your conference in all of this stuff,

1007
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think that that represents the four best

1008
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: teams in the country. And I think that the four

1009
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: best teams in the country are the ones that should

1010
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: get the buys, not the way that this is seeded

1011
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: with the four conference champions that won these title games

1012
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I don't think that can be

1013
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: your factor. I don't think that that makes any sense

1014
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, look at it's not as if

1015
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: the Big Sky champion goes into the NCAA College Basketball

1016
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Tournament as a two seed, they win their tournament and

1017
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: they get in and they're like a fifteen or whatever

1018
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: it might be, whatever year it is, And I think

1019
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: you have to evaluate it the same way. I mean,

1020
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Arizona State had a great year, Boise State had a

1021
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: great year. Anybody think they should be three and four

1022
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: and have buys. I do not. I don't think that.

1023
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think that we're gonna get to,

1024
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: probably within the next couple of years, a bigger field

1025
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: and fourteen teams I think is what we're gonna see.

1026
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: But then you also have I think that it's gonna

1027
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: go down to the four best teams, and it should

1028
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: like the teams, they should get the rewards. It shouldn't

1029
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: just be because again, I think the conference title games

1030
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: are your other issue that sets all this in motion.

1031
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: But I think it's very hard to argue that Boise

1032
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: State or Arizona State deserved byes over some of the

1033
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: teams underneath them.

1034
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually agree with you. I don't hate

1035
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: the auto five auto bids for this twelve team playoff,

1036
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: and to your point, we're probably gonna expand it because

1037
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: the SEC's mad and whatever. I do think you have

1038
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: to have some auto bids because first of all, first

1039
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: of all, the whole reason we expanded the playoff was

1040
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: quote to decide it on the field. And then what

1041
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: was the big argument? It was, Oh, it's always the

1042
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: SEC Invitational, It's always this, It's always that. It's like,

1043
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: this is the whole reason we expanded the playoff. As

1044
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I mentioned earlier, I was almost

1045
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Stephen Mozzie and I joked about it is you know

1046
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: Steve Hartman, would you know who?

1047
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: I love? Steve?

1048
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: And he was one hundred percent right. He's like, what

1049
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: are Alabama fans complain about? And what I said to

1050
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: him was I said, it's amazing how we expanded this field,

1051
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: uh to include everybody, and now all anybody wants to

1052
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: do is hypotheticals. Well, Miss would be a twenty two

1053
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: point favorite against this team. It's like, I don't care.

1054
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: This is why we expanded the playoff. The one thing

1055
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: I will say, I do agree with you now that

1056
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: I have seen how the bracket plays out. The idea

1057
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: that you have to give the auto bys to the

1058
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: highest ranked conference champions, I just don't agree with that.

1059
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Now.

1060
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I would argue that if we are going to if

1061
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 2: we are not going to give them to the conference

1062
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: champions then we do need to look a little bit

1063
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: harder at losing a conference championship game, right Like, you

1064
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: can't if if if, if, if, Yeah, I was gonna

1065
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: say if Oregon, Texas, Ohio State and or Penn State

1066
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: and Georgia are the four teams going in and the

1067
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: four the four highest ranked teams get auto bis, and

1068
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: you can't just say that, you know that that that

1069
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: the conference championship championship games mean nothing, because then you

1070
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: would actually have players sit. But I'll also say, you know,

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00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: and listen, I think we're gonna over the years as

1072
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: we figure this this college football playoff bracket out, I

1073
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be a lot of parallels to the

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00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: college basketball bracket. And right like, I mean, it is

1075
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: a little bit unfair when you look at the basketball

1076
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: bracket of if Duke and Carolina or number one and

1077
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: number two in the country going into the final week

1078
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: of the season, it doesn't preclude Duke or North Carolina

1079
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: from getting a first round or from getting a number

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00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: one seed if they if they win the ACC tournament

1081
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: and or if they don't win the AEC tournament, so

1082
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: I just bring it up because that's my real only gripe,

1083
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: and I think it's year one. I think we're all

1084
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. I think the people that

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00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: put the bracket together really did have kind of the

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: best interests of college football at heart when they decided

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00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: to put the four auto buys to the four highest

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: rank conference champs. That's the only thing that I would

1089
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: say though, When you look at a bracket and it

1090
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: very clearly is disadvantageous to Oregon to get the number

1091
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: one seed, that's something you probably at least have to reconsider.

1092
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other thing, I think that if you

1093
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: keep things as they are, at the very least, I

1094
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: think you have to recede after the first round. You

1095
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: have to the same way like the NFL would set

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00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: it up. It's just like whatever the lowest ranked team

1097
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: that advances is going to play the top team. Like,

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00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: I think the rewards should continue through and there should

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00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: be a consistency behind that. There should not be a

1100
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: universe where Oregon's road to the championship is tougher than

1101
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: everybody else's. Like that doesn't make any sense at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about this, technically, Penn State could make

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00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: it all the way to the semi finals by beating

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00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: SMU and beating Boise State. I know we said nice

1105
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: things about SMU, But you want to play SMU and

1106
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Boise State or do you want to play, for example,

1107
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: Tennessee or Ohio State. I think that the argument there

1108
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: would be difficult to make. That that needs to change,

1109
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think that will change. I think either they're

1110
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: going to recede or they're going to figure better way

1111
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: out to set these buys, because it does seem like

1112
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Oregon was penalized for being the only undefeated team and

1113
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: the best team in the bracket.

1114
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Speaker 2: College Football Playoffs starts Friday night, Indiana at Notre Dame.

1115
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Speaker 1: UH.

1116
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: Maybe before we get out of here we'll make our

1117
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: official round one picks, because by the time we come

1118
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: on air next week, at least three of the four

1119
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: games will be done and the fourth game will be

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Speaker 2: in progress. Fox Poatl.

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Speaker 1: So, by the way, all three of the three of

1122
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: those four games up north. I know it's the only

1123
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: game in the South is the Clemson Texas game.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting how it all broke out. And I'll

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Speaker 2: say this too, I mean, we got we got a

1126
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: second here to chat about it is. I'm genuinely excited

1127
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: about the matchups, like, like I know, you know, first

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Speaker 2: first of all, like and we talked about the Quinn

1129
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 2: Euros versus arch Manning thing last week, Like Quinn Ewrris

1130
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: plays the way he did last week. I'm not saying

1131
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: Clemson will beat Texas, but Clemson can beat Texas. You know,

1132
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: Notre Dame Indiana. That's kind of a cool little geographical thing.

1133
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame's probably gonna win that one, but

1134
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: it's it's just interesting. And then obviously, boy, oh boy,

1135
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Jmark you I was gonna say, can you imagine what

1136
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 2: our show will be like next week if Ryan Day

1137
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: loses a home playoff game to wrap up a season

1138
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: in which he has a twenty million dollar roster. By

1139
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: the way, I'm sure you saw.

1140
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: That, James Franklin.

1141
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true too. Well, that one would be worse. Yeah,

1142
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: but real quick, I'm assuming you saw the story the

1143
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Ohio senator that wants to make it a felony to

1144
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: plan flags on the field. Yeah, you know what else

1145
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: is a felony? Losing to Michigan when they can't pass

1146
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: the freaking football. That should be a freaking felony. So

1147
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: we will be on air next week after Ohio State.

1148
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: Tennessee cannot wait first week of college.

1149
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: Put the rundown together. Now, Yes, we don't know what

1150
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: the the specifics will be. We know we're gonna be

1151
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: talking about.

1152
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what though, j mart Tonight, we're

1153
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 2: coming on after the NBA Cup and we didn't even

1154
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: talk about it, which.

1155
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: Is actual squad too. It's my Thunder.

1156
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: There you go. Well, I don't know where tonight ranked

1157
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: among the great wins in Thunder history, but I know

1158
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people weren't watching it. Based on what

1159
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: we've seen. We're gonna come back discuss the state of

1160
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: the NBA. Some shocking numbers out this week. We'll discuss

1161
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: all that next. Fox Sports Radio Welcome back, everybody. Fox

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00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, aeron Torres. Jason Martin broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: tyreq dot Com studios. Jmart if you know the words

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: sing along, go ahead, no, No, where's yours?

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: No? See, I've been thinking all show, Mike, And now

1166
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: there's one Christmas song that doesn't get played enough in

1167
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: my opinions, maybe most underrated. It's one of my favorite artists.

1168
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: Maybe if I actually just had to break it all down.

1169
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: He might be my favorite artist.

1170
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: And Nick Cannon Mike.

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00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mary's gonna play that out of the

1172
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. I wasn't gonna tell her what

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00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: it was and just see if she would come up

1174
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: with it. But on the flip side, it's this which

1175
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: you can't go five minutes without hearing. It is catchy.

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00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna suggest it. It's not. I do know

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00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: the lyrics. I refuse to engage in this practice. Don't care.

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mary, Yeah, you.

1179
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: Come on to all she wants for Christmas?

1180
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: To try and quit.

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: I can't get over the Nick Cannon. Come man, there's

1182
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: one guy that I know sings a great song. Oh yeah,

1183
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 2: if you can name me five Nick Cannon song man,

1184
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: I'll give you a thousand dollars. I can name you

1185
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: five Nick Cannon. Uh, never mind. Yeah, I know.

1186
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: Where you're going. We we all know where you're going.

1187
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: Could have gone anywhere. All she wants for Christmas is you,

1188
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: j Martin. That's all she wants underneath the Christmas tree.

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00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's not me, but never know.

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00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: I mean, with that attitude, it is. But anyway, how

1191
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: about this Fox Sports radio error towards Jason Martin. We

1192
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: are broadcasting live from the tyreq dot com studios. Let's

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: do it, j Martin, Oklahoma City Thunder, they get a

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: win NBA Cup. So so I was actually telling Brandon,

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 2: our great associate producer, who helped us get some sound

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: and stuff for today. You and I were on air

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01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: the day they announced the NBA Cup format two summers ago,

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01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: and like, you need a doctorate to figure out how

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Speaker 2: this thing even worked. But we're now in year two.

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01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: Semi finals were tonight or for Saturday night for those

1201
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: of you on the East Coast, it's past midnight. And

1202
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: what's notable about this NBA Cup is that despite last

1203
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: year in which the Lakers won and then fired their coach,

1204
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: can't believe that there hasn't been very much enthusiasm around

1205
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: the NBA Cup. According to reports this week, ratings down

1206
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: ten percent through group play, and I think it has importantly.

1207
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: NBA ratings are down twenty eight percent year over year

1208
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: on ESPN. Last year's playoffs were down twelve percent, and

1209
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: this is the stat that is mind boggling and I'd

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01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: say has to raise concerns in New York at the

1211
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: at the NBA offices. But ratings have been taking forever

1212
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: and doesn't seem to impact anybody. Ratings down forty eight

1213
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: percent since twenty twelve. I have a lot of takes

1214
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: on this, j Mart, but I mean, what is there

1215
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: to say? Go ahead? Floor is yours, and I actually

1216
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1217
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: So I actually went down the rabbit hole of creator

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01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: content online and kind of I went through YouTube and

1219
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: went through some videos of some people that cover the

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Speaker 1: league regularly that aren't, you know, major media personalities. I

1221
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to hear what people had to say, people

1222
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: that really loved the league, and there were a lot

1223
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: of videos about this league is dead, this league is dying,

1224
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. And so there were various

1225
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: things that were mentioned. One thing in particular, it popped

1226
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: up a couple of times that we'll get to here

1227
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Speaker 1: in a second, and I've mentioned my own feelings on

1228
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: one issue particular. But I think that one huge problem

1229
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: is that the three players that dominated the league in

1230
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: terms of its coverage, it's marketing, all of those things

1231
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: have not changed over the last ten years. You've got

1232
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Lebron James, You've got Steph Curry, and you've got Kevin Durant,

1233
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty four, even with this great crop

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: of young talent, you'll see ads that showcase all this

1235
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 1: young talent that this NBA AD or something like that,

1236
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: But they're not marketing these guys like you think about

1237
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: bn CAO in Orlando and how that's a team that's

1238
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: playing really good basketball. They've resigned Jared Suggs, They've got

1239
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, Bank Carroll's an outstanding player, but they have

1240
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: less national television broadcast than the LA Clippers do. So

1241
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much talent you have spread over

1242
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: the league if none of it is drawing on television

1243
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: or you're not actually it properly. But the three guys

1244
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: that were the guys are still the guys. And the

1245
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: biggest problem for the NBA is I mean, they're all

1246
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: about to be done fairly soon, a few maybe really soon.

1247
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: So that's a consistent issue. But I think the overarching problem,

1248
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: and the one that I want to get into deep

1249
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: in more detail, maybe after Tosaga or after I listened

1250
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: to you for a couple of minutes, is the fact

1251
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: that the NBA has become a chuck fest from distance,

1252
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: and it's something I've lamented now for a few years.

1253
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: That's why I said I've turned ninety five years old,

1254
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: because I now believe the three point line should be

1255
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: abolished for the good of the sport of basketball. And

1256
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: we can get into that a lot deeper with some

1257
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: statistics and some information and things like that. And I

1258
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: also think the Shack's point that he has made recently

1259
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: on podcasts that others I think have echoed is one

1260
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent right, which is every team in the league

1261
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: plays exactly the same. Every game looks exactly the same,

1262
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: They're all running the same place, They're all designed to

1263
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: do the same thing. So there's like one team in

1264
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: the league that doesn't use the pick and roll effectively

1265
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: and they try to do other stuff, but almost the

1266
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: entire league, from game to game, it's the exact same thing.

1267
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: And after a while that gets very samey, and you

1268
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: just move on.

1269
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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what I do have a lot

1270
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: of thoughts, some to piggyback off what you said, some

1271
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: of my own. We'll discuss them on next but first

1272
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: let's get it over the news desk. Say go ahead,

1273
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was looking at the NBA schedule and

1275
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 4: in a week and a half. Pretty much everybody plays

1276
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: that Monday before Christmas. No NBA games on Christmas Eve,

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Speaker 4: and then the five games they have on Christmas Day,

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 4: which is a Wednesday. This year, they're putting them all

1279
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Speaker 4: on ABC, not just some cable some network. All of

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Speaker 4: them are on cable and all of them are on

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Speaker 4: network TV. The same year that the NFL says, you know,

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Speaker 4: this whole Christmas thing, we might be continuing this, so

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 4: they sold two Christmas games. The NFL did to Netflix. Sure,

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 4: the Chiefs at Steelers game is Netflix only on Christmas Day.

1285
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 4: And then it's the Texans hosting the Ravens opposite the

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Speaker 4: five NBA games.

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, both those games are much more

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Speaker 1: and they're both relevant to to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and it's late season. You know, I was thinking,

1290
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Speaker 2: I listen, I love the NBA. I love the NFL.

1291
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Speaker 2: I love the business that they've created. They get kind

1292
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Speaker 2: of lucky. I mean, the Steelers all of a sudden

1293
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 2: being like legitimately awesome, Like sometimes stuff just breaks your way.

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Speaker 4: Does the Steelers have a couple of games within and

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Speaker 4: score a touchdown and still one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you looked at that game and it was

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Speaker 2: just kind of a throwaway. Oh the Chiefs are playing,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's one I could skip for some presents. Now

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh, the Steelers are awesome.

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Speaker 4: But even the Chiefs against the Raiders the last couple

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 4: of years with holidays be it Christmas or Black Friday,

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01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: is getting good ratings. And you know, I mean they

1303
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 4: was streaming only on Black Friday and was still getting

1304
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 4: what ten times the rating that the NBA was getting.

1305
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: Once we had that day after Thanksgiving NFL game. By

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: the way, this were the two semifinals for the NBA

1307
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 4: Cup in Vegas tonight. The ratings for the Cup quarterfinals

1308
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 4: across TNT and ESPN averaged about one point three million viewers.

1309
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: You might say, oh, it's about the same as last year.

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Speaker 4: Some of the games last year were going up against

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Speaker 4: the NFL, so they would have had higher. Nothing against

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Speaker 4: the NFL this year head to head in the Cup quarterfinals,

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Speaker 4: and it was still only one point three six million viewers.

1314
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 4: College hoops got one point three to four million about

1315
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 4: a week ago for the SEC against ACC like a

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01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: Duke Auburn game, So there's your comparison. And once it

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Speaker 4: was group play, it was about one million for a

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Speaker 4: Lakers game or for a Warriors game, and if it

1319
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 4: wasn't them, even if it was the Knicks, it was

1320
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 4: less than one million viewers nationally for NBA Group Play games.

1321
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Speaker 4: As far as the Heisman Trophy ceremony tonight, you could

1322
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 4: make a case also that the past decade their ratings

1323
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 4: have been down quite a bit. If you go back

1324
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 4: a decade, it was over three million viewers for the

1325
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Speaker 4: Heisman ceremony. A couple of years ago it was one

1326
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Speaker 4: point six million viewers. Back up a little bit last year.

1327
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 4: We'll see about tonight as it was, as you mentioned,

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 4: the smallest margin of victory by Heisman winner since two

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: thousand and nine. The winner Colorado wide receiver and defensive

1330
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 4: back Travis Hunter. Finishing second was Boise State running back

1331
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty. By the way, this is three straight years

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Speaker 4: that a transfer player wins the Heisman, because Travis Hunter

1333
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: had started at Jackson State, and then last year we

1334
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Speaker 4: had the former Arizona State quarterback Jaden Daniels winning it.

1335
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 4: Before that it was Caleb Williams. So three straight years.

1336
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Speaker 4: And remember when they divided college football in its history

1337
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: back in the seventies to Division one and one Double

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Speaker 4: A programs tonight, Travis Hunter becomes the first guy to

1339
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: start his career in FCS and win the Heisman Trophy.

1340
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Speaker 1: Interesting, how about three of the four guys actually came

1341
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: from the transfer portal. Three of the four guys in

1342
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: New York tonight the style by genty but Dylan Gabriel

1343
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: as well. Everywhere, Yes, yeah, exactly.

1344
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: The stunning thing from the Athletic this week. Four of

1345
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 4: the top ten are from the Mountain Time Zone.

1346
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: Saw that.

1347
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, go figure none from the secias, not one from

1348
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 4: the SEC in the top ten in Heisman voting this year,

1349
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 4: Navy beat number twenty two, Army thirty one thirteen. Vegas

1350
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 4: Raiders defensive end star Max Crosby is out for the year.

1351
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 4: He'll have ankle surgery. The winners in Vegas and hoops

1352
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 4: tonight NBA Cup Semifinals where Milwaukee and Oklahoma City. They'll

1353
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 4: face each other in the final in Las Vegas on Tuesday,

1354
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: and College Hoops had a game decided on a layup

1355
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,440
Speaker 4: at the buzzer and the winner was Number one Tennessee

1356
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 4: now ten and zero winning at Illinois at the buzzer

1357
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 4: sixty six sixty four.

1358
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: Back to You Fox actually had back to back buzzer beaters,

1359
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: Rutgers winning at the buzzer as well.

1360
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 4: The Fox had the Yukon game tonight.

1361
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: They sure did. By the way, next Saturday, I you know,

1362
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge women's hoo's but juju Watkins at Yukon. Yeah,

1363
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: next Saturday.

1364
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Speaker 4: You see what Notre Dames women's team has done with

1365
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 4: not just beating top five teams double digit wins over

1366
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 4: and over again, I mean Yukon and USC and Texas recently,

1367
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 4: and on and on.

1368
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: Oh I saw was to beat the Huskies doing night.

1369
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1370
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Speaker 3: Ver?

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01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: Are you know the official Tours and Martin women's basketball

1372
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: team as we established last week? That's one of us

1373
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: established last week.

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: Guess all right, thank you sounds dangerously close to us

1375
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: being women. What do you mean the Tours and Martin

1376
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: women's basketball team.

1377
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: No, it's our official team.

1378
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: No, I get it. It almost sounds like we're playing

1379
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: on that team.

1380
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: Is he not going to nominate?

1381
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: By the way, Aaron Torres, Tennessee Lady balls after today

1382
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 4: they set a record.

1383
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: They made thirty three pointers in this game. Well this

1384
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: is actually a perfect seguay back to the NBA, where

1385
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: they do nothing but miss threesh to say, here, do

1386
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: you have a stet off the top of your head. I

1387
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: think we got a record last night most miss threes

1388
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: in one game. I saw this steat this morning. Let

1389
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: me see if I can find it. I think it

1390
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: was the hornet. Here you go, Hornets and bowls made

1391
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: history on Friday night most miss threes ever in regulation

1392
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: with seventy five. And so I bring it up that

1393
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 2: is via Nate Duncan, who.

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 4: Because they each took about fifty threes in a forty

1395
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 4: eight minute game.

1396
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: Well, and this is a perfect segue into the conversation

1397
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: about what is wrong with the NBA? Why are people

1398
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: not watching? You know, Jay Martin, I'll be honest. Is

1399
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 2: to me, it just it all goes back to load management.

1400
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: And it's hard. I know, I sound like an old man.

1401
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: It's just hard for me to get excited to watch

1402
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: a game when I never know who's playing. And I

1403
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: know that's like the argument from like three years ago,

1404
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: and the newer argument is really the style of play.

1405
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 2: But I just kind of checked out on the regular

1406
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: season about three four years ago because I said, even

1407
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 2: if I want to down on a Friday night, even

1408
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 2: if you know wife's out of town or whatever. It's

1409
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: like you just never know who's going to show up

1410
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: and who isn't. And so we are talking about the

1411
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: NBA ratings. We found out this week that, as Desager

1412
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: just told us, Cup play is down. NBA Cup, which

1413
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: was tonight or Saturday night, was down ten percent through

1414
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: group play. To date, NBA is down twenty eight percent

1415
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: on ESPN, and it is down forty eight percent since

1416
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. And just to go back to the conversation,

1417
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's one thing. To me, I do

1418
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: think it is. I don't even think it's style of play.

1419
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: I think it's still as load management. The players established

1420
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 2: that the regular season doesn't matter. The players established that

1421
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: they don't care, so it's hard for me to care.

1422
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 2: And then to your point, when you turn it on,

1423
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, you have a situation where everybody's playing the

1424
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: same way. They're all taking a bunch of threes, you know,

1425
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: And I gotta be real as well, is that. I

1426
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: also think that part of it is that when you

1427
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 2: look at kind of the state of the NBA, this

1428
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: is gonna sound weird. I just don't find a lot

1429
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: of the modern stars that compelling you brought up the

1430
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: point about the league is still pushing Katie Stephan Lebron

1431
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 2: on us. But it's like you look at some of

1432
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: the star players like, I don't know, maybe it's just

1433
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: me and maybe it's old man, get off my lawn.

1434
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: But it's like, I don't really find shake gilges Alexander

1435
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 2: all that interesting. He puts up a lot of points,

1436
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: he fills the statue. I don't find him that interesting. Luca,

1437
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 2: I kind of don't find that interesting.

1438
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: It's a terrible interview.

1439
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: Who Luca?

1440
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is he interview?

1441
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think Jokic is really fun to watch. I

1442
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: think Jannis has his moments. Even Giannis has kind of

1443
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: gotten a little weird and you know, preachy with some

1444
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: of the stuff he's doing in Milwaukee. Although I know

1445
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: they're playing better of late. I just think it's it's

1446
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: it's it's a bunch of different things that have led

1447
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: us into this situation. But I don't think there's any

1448
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: doubt that ratings are down, and I don't know, I

1449
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: just I don't find it to be very entertaining product

1450
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: right now.

1451
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think that the idea, look, that's

1452
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: a that is something the league needs to handle behind

1453
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: closed doors. In terms of building stars, you can't always

1454
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: determine who the best player is going to be, but

1455
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: you do know how to get your marketing arm behind

1456
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: certain guys. And you have to realize that a generation

1457
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: is changing right now. You have a lot of young guys,

1458
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: but you don't really know how to feature them, and

1459
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they fully know how to feature themselves

1460
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: in this landscape. And so you have all of that

1461
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then, as we mentioned, we don't

1462
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: have the full time to get into it right now.

1463
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: But the three point shooting's crazy. Every team is averaging

1464
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: at least thirty one threes a game. And I sent

1465
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: you this stat. I think we can end here because

1466
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: I know we had to Siga coming on the other side.

1467
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: But it takes seventy four, like on an average, to

1468
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: score eighty We're just looking at percentages of makes to

1469
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: score eighty NBA points. It takes seventy four to twos

1470
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: and it takes seventy five and a half threes to

1471
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: score eighty points. Now that makes no sense, right, because

1472
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, to score ninety points, you need threes or

1473
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: you need forty five twos, right, But that's if they

1474
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,480
Speaker 1: all go in. And that's what we forget. The percentage

1475
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: of three point makes is actually down from what it

1476
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,480
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago, and the three point shooting numbers

1477
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: are up in terms of attempts. You had that the

1478
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: opening night, I think it was in the NBA, the

1479
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: doubleheader that was on T and T. I believe there

1480
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: were over one hundred and forty three shot in those

1481
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: two games. That is preposterous. And none of these guys

1482
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: are making it, like, I understand why Steph's got the

1483
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: green light. I don't need Wemby to take double digit

1484
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: threes a game when he's shooting barely thirty percent. Like

1485
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: that's the argument. And I saw that made by a

1486
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: couple of those content creators, and they're right. It's not

1487
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: even about like and kelvin Washington. Our colleagues said the

1488
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: exact same thing on the odd Couple this week. Not

1489
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: everybody can be Steph Curry, and the idea that everybody

1490
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: is trying to carb and copy themselves in a three

1491
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: D printer and become Steph Curry. You don't Matt which

1492
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: have the ability to shoot like that guy. So this

1493
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: most effective tactic available that some people call a meta

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Speaker 1: like the meta in basketball right now, the most efficient

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Speaker 1: way to score points is supposed to be take a

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Speaker 1: ton of threes, but that is horrible to watch. If

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Speaker 1: you're shooting thirty one percent as a team and you're

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 1: still taking fifty a game, that to me is unwatchable.

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Speaker 2: I'll be very quick on this point because we got

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Speaker 2: to get back to Tosager. I was thinking, have analytics

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: essentially killed two sports now because it's impossible to kind

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Speaker 2: of talk baseball. We can consume it, but it's tough

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Speaker 2: to talk and basketball. I think analytics there's no doubt

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: as more of the numbers have come in, it's become

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: a less watchable product overall. Again, NBA ratings down forty

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Speaker 2: eight percent since the twenty twelve season. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: got to you a little bit late, Flora's yours, my friend, have.

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Speaker 4: A holly, jolly Christmas. Anyway to the both of you,

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 4: Thank kids. Can I pass along an amazing item from

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Speaker 4: stat Zinc? After Travis Hunter won the Heisman Trophy tonight,

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 4: the year twenty twenty four will now go down as

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 4: the first in American sports history where the winners of

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Speaker 4: the Heisman, the NBA MVP, and NHL MVP all play

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01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 4: for teams in the same state. Colorado Wow, Nicola Jokic,

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Speaker 4: Denver Nuggets, Travis Hunter, Colorado NHL Avs Nathan McKinnon, who

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Speaker 4: got up to fifty points on this season tonight, first

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Speaker 4: in the NHL to do so. Rather amazing. So we

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Speaker 4: had a wide receiver and defensive back win the Heisman tonight.

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01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 4: How many total snaps did Travis Hunter play this season?

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Speaker 4: The answer is well over one thousand. In fact, it

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01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 4: was over four hundred more than any other player in

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Speaker 4: the upper level of NCAA football. He had ninety two

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Speaker 4: catches on offense plus four interceptions on defense in twelve

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Speaker 4: games for Colorado. Fifteen total touchdowns this year. And we

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Speaker 4: did have a bowl game tonight, yes in Birmingham. South

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Speaker 4: Alabama beats Western Michigan thirty to twenty three. Western Michigan

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01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 4: finishes the season six and seven. They had played at

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Speaker 4: Ohio State early in the season and lost fifty six

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Speaker 4: to nothing and still got to a bowl game. In fact,

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Speaker 4: late season, they lost three straight conference games in a

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Speaker 4: row in November and still got to a bowl game.

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Speaker 4: And now we find out today that Luisiana Tech at

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Speaker 4: five and seven, is going to be Army's opponent in

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Speaker 4: a bowl game this month because the original opponent, Marshall,

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01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: has had to opt out due to a wave of

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01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,799
Speaker 4: transfers after a coaching change. Already, there's been a headline

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Speaker 4: that's probably not the only time that's going to happen.

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01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 4: Former USC quarterback Miller Moss reportedly committed to Louisville. A

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 4: year ago, he threw six touchdown passes against Louisville in

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Speaker 4: a Bowl win. Remember he was subbing for Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 4: who didn't want to risk injury before being number one

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Speaker 4: pick in the draft. And yet tonight we hear that

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Speaker 4: Travis Hunter is due to play in his bowl game

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Speaker 4: this month before he goes to the NFL Draft. Navy

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 4: beat number twenty two ranked Army thirty one thirteen. We

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Speaker 4: actually had three touchdown passes total in this game. That

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 4: had only happened once in almost twenty years in an

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Speaker 4: Army Navy matchup. The guy who's the Army quarterback this year,

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Speaker 4: Bryce and Daily, finished sixth in Heisman balloting today against

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Speaker 4: the rival one touchdown past three interceptions, while the Navy

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Speaker 4: quarterback Blake horveth four total touchdowns two hundred and four

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Speaker 4: yards rushing. Navy will have a bowl game against Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: Today's game, by the way, was in Landover, Maryland. Next

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Speaker 4: year's matchup will be in Baltimore and Vegas. Raiders defensive

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Speaker 4: end Max Crosby is out for the year. He'll have

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Speaker 4: ankle surgery.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Sager. That was to Saga

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Speaker 2: with his extended update. We appreciate you to saga. Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio er tors jas Martin broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: tyreck dot Com studios. Will come back one hour left

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Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy, do we have a lot to

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Speaker 2: get to Week fifteen in the NFL. But also Kitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark back in the news. We're discussing that next Aer

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Speaker 2: Torus Jason Martin take you till two am Eastern Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, our three Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Eastern time. Bernie Frado off the Bernie Frado Show follows us.

1585
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: I know Bernie has some real good stuff coming out

1586
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: of a busy day in sports. Obviously, the big news,

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Speaker 2: as the Segre just told you, Heisman Trophy goes to

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. If you missed any of our coverage about

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, about winning the Heisman Trophy. Make sure to

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01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: go back and download the podcast, which is available shortly

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01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: after we get off air. Well, that's said, Jason, Do

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 2: you want to hit on a topic. I'd certainly made

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 2: waves over the course of the week. The WNBA had

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01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: largely been out of the headlines. I could say since

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01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: the season ended, but it really was out of the

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01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: headline since Kitlyn Clark's team lost in the playoffs. Let's

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01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 2: call space right here, but listen this Time magazine interview

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Speaker 2: that she did certainly made waves. The most notable thing,

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01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: of course, that a lot of people have had an

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Speaker 2: opinion on basically her talking about her privilege. And I

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01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: will just read the quote directly so that way people

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01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: can't say that I misquoted her or whatever. This from

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 2: Time Magazine, Kaitlyn Clark saying, I want to say I've

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Speaker 2: earned every single thing, but as a white person, there

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: is privilege. A lot of those players in the league

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 2: that have been really good have been black players. This

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 2: league has been kind of built on them. The more

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: we can appreciate that highlight that talk about that and

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: then continue to have brands and companies invest in those

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01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: players that have made this league incredible. I think it's important.

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01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: Jmart I have a lot of thoughts. I mean my

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01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 2: first one, and we could dive into all this, but

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01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: this whole thing just feels so weird to me. Like

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01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark, whether you like or whether you don't, completely

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01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 2: stayed out of the fray on anything not related to basketball,

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01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 2: really her entire career, dating back to Iowa. To do

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01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: this interview, which by the way, seems stage scripted weird,

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01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: but to do this in the middle of the offseason,

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01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't even make sense to me because it's just

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01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: so it's so off brand from everything that she has

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01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: done to this point. And you don't have to start

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01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 2: there if you want, but that's kind of my first

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 2: takeaway is like, you got through a whole season without

1624
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: wading into these waters. Now you decide to do it. It

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: just the whole thing seems weird. Go ahead, take it, Jaymark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of what you're saying is right. One

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01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: thing I'd love to know is was she asked a

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Speaker 1: question that would lead to this answer or did this

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01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: come voluntarily without a question that was even relevant here?

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Speaker 1: This is you know, we talked about Travis Hunter earlier

1631
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: and how genuine and authentic that speech was when he

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Speaker 1: won the Heisman, how just likable he was, and just

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01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: everything about that is just like, man, I want to

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Speaker 1: see this kid succeed, like this is somebody that you

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: want to root for, and all this kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: as genuine as that was, what you just read, comes

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: across the exact opposite. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: focus group tested or whatever. And I also don't know

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01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: why it was necessary to be said. I don't think

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01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: that Caitlyn Clark accepting this award that she was given

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01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: or this honor that she was given and just saying,

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01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's an honor to play in this league

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01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: with such talented players. I love playing basketball. You know,

1644
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. You don't have to go

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01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: into this. This is this is taking on something that

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: is never going to be a win for Kaitlyn Clark.

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01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: It's just not. There's absolutely zero victory in this for

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01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark to jump into it, because she can never

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01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: bend the knee far enough. She can never. Now there's

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: she's come out and said she has this privilege or

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01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: that privilege or whatever. That's not going to change anything.

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Anybody that already had problems with that, still going to

1653
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: have problems with that. It doesn't matter that you've come

1654
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: out and said it. It's not going to give you

1655
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: more points in terms of those people that already have

1656
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: an ax to grind against you or whatever. And again,

1657
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: it was just like it's almost like she was It's

1658
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: almost like she scored. She won a match at Wimbledon

1659
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: on a net cord and the ball rolled over and

1660
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: the opponent couldn't quite get to it. And when something

1661
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: like that happens in tennis, you raise up both your

1662
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,919
Speaker 1: hands like, oh, I'm so sorry, Like you you're respectful

1663
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: with the fact. It's like, yeah, I know, I just won.

1664
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: But ah, it's almost like she she can barely even

1665
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: just accept this without the caveat. And that's a that

1666
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: is a gigantic problem, and it's not something that's going

1667
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 1: to be fixed. Caitlyn Clark is Caitlin Clark. She's always

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: going to be Caitlin Clark, and she's always going to

1669
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: be side eyed by everybody in that league because they

1670
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: can't stand the fact that she is the cause for

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: their success. And we don't even have to get into

1672
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: all the reasons why, but they I've said. I said

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: this last year when all this stuff started to first break,

1674
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I said, before she got in the league, I said

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01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: she was going to get brutalized on the floor, and

1676
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: she was gonna be talked about, and you're gonna hear

1677
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 1: all this speculation and all this kind of stuff coming out,

1678
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And I think almost all of that stuff has proven

1679
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 1: out to be true. I think that league would rather

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01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: fail than her be the cause of its success, and

1681
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: so they're gonna do everything that they can to submarine

1682
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: the one thing that has made them relevant since their existence.

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01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: When she says, you know, this was built on built

1684
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: largely on these black women and all this. Okay, no,

1685
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was built on the It was built

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: on on men of all races, but a lot of

1687
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: them were black men. Because it was built on the NBA.

1688
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: There's no WNBA without the NBA money and the NBA

1689
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: marketing arm and the NBA getting behind it, and the

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01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: NBA arenas and all this other kind of stuff. Their

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01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: players tacitly agreeing to it in public and talking about

1692
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: it and all stuff nobody cared about. Nobody was clamoring

1693
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: for a professional women's basketball league on the grand scale,

1694
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: the NBA made it a thing. So yes, there were

1695
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: players that paved the way for you to play basketball,

1696
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: but that doesn't matter in this case. Like what Caitlin

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01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: Clark did and who she was in Iowa and who

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01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: she is in Indiana with the fever, what she did

1699
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: and how she was able to capture the imagination of

1700
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: the country because of kind of the perfect storm of

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01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: what happened their junior year or in her sophomore year

1702
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: in that final four. That's just the kind of thing

1703
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: you can't script. It's just something that naturally organically happened,

1704
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and she became a megastar that transcended a sport. And

1705
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that she needs to apologize for that.

1706
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: She just needs to roll with the punches and say,

1707
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, this is a great honor. I look forward

1708
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: to continuing my career and playing against a lot of great,

1709
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: great women. And you know, she could say stuff is

1710
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: nice about the league without seeming like she has to

1711
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: apologize for her success. And I think this is the

1712
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: first moment where she's made a dramatic misstep in her

1713
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: career that actually could have detrimental effects on how she's

1714
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: perceived outside of basketball.

1715
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: Well, and I think why and I want to put

1716
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: words in your mouth, but I think why you say

1717
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: that is because she hasn't been the knee, because she

1718
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: hasn't said that I have privilege. Like, listen, I we're

1719
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: wading into these waters, so let's just dive in. Like

1720
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: what privilege has allowed her to have anything that she has, Like,

1721
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 2: she is one of the most gifted basketball players on

1722
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: the planet. She's great at what she does. She didn't

1723
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: get drafted for any reason. She isn't in this position

1724
01:27:55,680 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 2: any for any reason other than her individual success or

1725
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: individual work or individual whatever. So like one, I don't

1726
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: even understand like the comment, but then beyond that, like

1727
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 2: what I would also say is exactly what you said.

1728
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: Is like there's no now listen, if she really feels this,

1729
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 2: she's allowed to say what she wants. I have no

1730
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 2: problem with it. But there's no win because the people

1731
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: that appreciated that she wouldn't wade into these waters, that

1732
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: she wouldn't bend the knee, that she wouldn't say, Oh,

1733
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: the only reason I'm here is because of privilege, and

1734
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 2: blah blah blah and this and that, Like those people

1735
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: probably now do not feel the same way about her

1736
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 2: that they did seventy two hours ago, or you know,

1737
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 2: a week ago before she did this interview. I do

1738
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 2: also want to touch jmart on something that you said

1739
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: about this league would rather fail than succeed with her

1740
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 2: as a star. And I bring it up because the

1741
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: owner of the Washington Mystics, Sheila Johnson, did an interview

1742
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: earlier this week on CNN and had some very interesting

1743
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: By the way, keep in mind these comments were made

1744
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: after Caitlin Clark made these comments, which to your point

1745
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: you said earlier and I think you're right, is no

1746
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: matter what she says, it's never going to be enough.

1747
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: So Kaylen Clark comes out says, it's my privilege. I

1748
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, this league was built on the back of

1749
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: black women. Blah blah blah, blah blah. Here is the

1750
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: owner of the Washington Mystics, Sheila Johnson, talking about Kaitlin Clark.

1751
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 5: It's just not Caitlin Clark, it's Reese. We have so many,

1752
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 5: so much talent out there that has been unrecognized, and

1753
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 5: I don't think we can just pin it on one player.

1754
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 5: It's just the structure of the way media plays out race.

1755
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 5: I feel really bad because I've seen so many players

1756
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 5: of color that are equally as talented and they never

1757
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 5: got the recognition that they should have. Caitlan Clark was

1758
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 5: named Athlete of the Year. Why couldn't they have put

1759
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 5: the whole WNBA on that cover and said, the WNBA

1760
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 5: is the League of the Year.

1761
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: That was Mystic's owner, Sheila Clark or Sheila Johnson, excus

1762
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 2: me speaking about Kayln Clark. So to your point, Kayln

1763
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 2: Clark comes out, says what she believes is the right thing.

1764
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: That everybody's going to be on her side, and she's

1765
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: finally saying what everybody wants her to say. And even

1766
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 2: after that, the owner of the Washington Mystics, it's not enough.

1767
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,719
Speaker 2: There's other great players. Why didn't they put the entire

1768
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: WNBA on the cover. I'll tell you why. Tough picture,

1769
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 2: tough to get everybody on one plot.

1770
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Tell you why. Because the WNBA was not the League

1771
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of the Year. No, the NFL was, because it always is.

1772
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 6: Look at the ratings, look at the interest level, look

1773
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 6: at the money generated, look at the merchandising, look at

1774
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 6: the video games, look at everything that you want to

1775
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 6: look at, look at every metric. The only reason your

1776
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 6: league was talked about. It all was because of her.

1777
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: You can talk about all the other ladies and there

1778
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: were some really talented ones and some of the basketball

1779
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: last year as a result.

1780
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 2: That helped out.

1781
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: But remember, and I used this analogy at the time,

1782
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: months and months ago, they are drifting off her car.

1783
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: It is a NASCAR situation where they are drifting and

1784
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: they're getting to the front of the line. Angel Rees

1785
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: figured this out really fast, and to her credit, then

1786
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: backed it up on the floor. But Angel reats became

1787
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: a thing because of Caitlyn Clark, and she used it,

1788
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: and she should the entire WNBA should be using this

1789
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to showcase what they can do. But the problem is

1790
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: they can't just do that. They have to run their

1791
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: mouths as they're doing it, and they are submarining themselves

1792
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: in the process. It was not the League of the Year.

1793
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: And that right there, it's like she's saying with gritted tea,

1794
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: she don't even want to admit that Caitlin Clark is good.

1795
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: She's talking about how she's nothing she's doing is special,

1796
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 1: and she's getting all quiet that right there. If you

1797
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: have if you are anybody with vested interest in the WNBA,

1798
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: if you have financial if you have some kind of

1799
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: a financial interest or anything like that or any kind

1800
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: of power, you call that organization and you say, never

1801
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: say something like that again, Can.

1802
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: I jump in on that, because that is like the

1803
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: most shocking thing, like imagine and I don't even know who,

1804
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 2: like Steve Balmer, just like you know, uh Nikol Jokich

1805
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: wins the NBA title and Steve Balmer's like comes out

1806
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: and just does an interview where like he's getting too

1807
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: much credit. We have a lot of great players in

1808
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: this league, like you know, how quickly listen, we could

1809
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: criticize Adam So I think Adam Silver would be like that,

1810
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 2: that's not acceptable, Like David Stern would never tolerate that.

1811
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: And listen, this is a bigger picture, and we've we've

1812
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: had this conversation before. How ineptly run the WNBA is

1813
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 2: and the fact that they did nothing to protect this girl.

1814
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying.

1815
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 2: They like she'd she like is the old The players

1816
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: were actively trying to hurt Kate len Clark this past

1817
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: year and the league did nothing to protect her. And

1818
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: I think this speaks to this exact thing speaks to

1819
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 2: the broader conversation about where the WNBA is where I

1820
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 2: just think that's a perfect metaphor forget the fact, by

1821
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 2: the way that every sport was built on somebody and

1822
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 2: everybody was grateful for it. You think NBA owners, can

1823
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: you think the owner of the Milwaukee Bucks cared in

1824
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two when his the value of his or

1825
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 2: her franchise was skyrocketing because of Michael Jordan. You think

1826
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 2: anybody can you know, look at boxing, everybody's lining up

1827
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: to fight Jake Paul because he's making everybody money. This

1828
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: is the only time in the history of sports where

1829
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 2: it's like somebody is making people money hand over fist

1830
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 2: And to what you said earlier, j Mart, they don't

1831
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 2: want the money. It's just it's mind boggling to me.

1832
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 2: But again to the point that I was making before

1833
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 2: I just started yelling.

1834
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 7: Is it's like I just sit there and say, what

1835
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 7: league allows owners of teams to publicly just kind of

1836
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 7: crush players that are not on their teams.

1837
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 2: It's just mind boggling to me. But it speaks to

1838
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: how inepley run this entire this entire operation is I'm

1839
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: not even call it a business because a business actually

1840
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: turns profit at some point over a twenty five year period.

1841
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: And so what they've done, here's the problem. And I

1842
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: gave you this quote an attext earlier Captain America, the

1843
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: first avenger of the original Captain America, Steve Rogers in

1844
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: that film says, you start running, they'll never let you stop.

1845
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark ran this week and we all saw it.

1846
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: And the big thing is they all saw it, and

1847
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: now she can't stop. Now it's when's the next time

1848
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: she's gonna crack. She was above it all because she

1849
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: just didn't wade into the waters, whatever was being said

1850
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: about her in her name, all this stuff. She generally

1851
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: stayed away from all of it and she just played

1852
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: basketball and that was the end of it. But now

1853
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: she's come out and she's done this and she said this,

1854
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,520
Speaker 1: and so she's awen it some people in the process.

1855
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: But those that she's trying to endear herself to, they're

1856
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: not going to care. Like this doesn't change anything. They

1857
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: still want to beat her brains in and they're still

1858
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: upset that she's good. They're upset that people care all

1859
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: this stuff. But and I mentioned this in our discussions

1860
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: through time, this is a finite thing. This is not

1861
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 1: an infinite deal where this WNBA is gonna be around

1862
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: for fifty hundred years, continuing to grow. They're about at

1863
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the peak of where I think they're gonna be, and

1864
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: they have found a way not only not to maximize this,

1865
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: but two they have gotten the least out of this

1866
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: that you possibly could because they can't stay out of

1867
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: their own way. You can use this to grow your

1868
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: league for five ten years, and maybe you do. I mean, look,

1869
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 1: you got Paige Becker's coming into the league next year,

1870
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna have who was the USC player? Why is

1871
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: their name? Is kaping Mere Watkins? Yeah, yeah, You've got

1872
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: some talented players coming into the league. But the reason

1873
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: that their eyeballs on the league is Caitlin Clark. And

1874
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: to deny that fact is ridiculous. And to try to

1875
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: ascribe that or talk about those people in a negative light,

1876
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: that's not going to help you either. Just use it

1877
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: to your advantage. You have more eyeballs, you have a

1878
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: little bit more interest right now, and so instead of

1879
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: doing that, That's why I understand what I'm saying. It's

1880
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: like they don't want their league to fail. But because

1881
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: of the way they're behaving and because of the things

1882
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: that they're saying, even if I'm speaking a little bit hyperbolically,

1883
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: they seem to be content with going back to complete

1884
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: anonymity as opposed to using Caitlin Clark and celebrating that

1885
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 1: they have something here that they can build around and

1886
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: that they can all potentially grow from. And instead they're

1887
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: the ones that are undercutting her, not the media, not

1888
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: the public. They are And now, of course the media

1889
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: is kind of going along with it a little here

1890
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: and there, at least certain parts of the media. But

1891
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: this is the most mind but you used the term

1892
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: mind boggling, baffling. This just makes no sense from a

1893
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: business perspective, from a logic perspective, from a fan perspective,

1894
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: from a longevity perspective, this is just insanely dumb. And

1895
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: that comment from the mystics, What on earth are you

1896
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: thinking saying something like that? Why would Time put the

1897
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: WNBA and call it the greatest league? Like either you

1898
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: have such an outsized opinion of yourself or you really

1899
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: have self esteem issues, Like one of the two things

1900
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: has to be true, because there is no semblance of

1901
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:47,440
Speaker 1: logic in that whatsoever.

1902
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 2: I know, we got to get to break, but I

1903
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 2: remember talking about this in the opposite manner during the

1904
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 2: regular season. I thought, whoever was advising Caitlin Clark during

1905
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 2: the regular season where she just basically refused to put

1906
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 2: herself in anything political the Michael Jordan Republicans by sneakers

1907
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: too stuff. I thought it was really well done, brilliant.

1908
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: How many times did she just say I'm here, I'm

1909
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 2: focused on playing basketball. Whoever was advising her on this,

1910
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's just so illogical. And you know,

1911
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Speaker 2: we didn't even get into some of the quotes about

1912
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Speaker 2: some of the other players of oh, you know, like,

1913
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Speaker 2: you know the girl who poked her in the eye,

1914
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Speaker 2: and Caitlin Clark responds, I've been poked in the eye

1915
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Speaker 2: many times playing basketball. If that would have happened in

1916
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Speaker 2: the NBA, do you think people would have shown up

1917
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Speaker 2: the next day and been like, hey, Tyree Halliburn, did

1918
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Speaker 2: you poke Steph Curry in the eye on purpose? That's

1919
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Speaker 2: a quote from the article. It's like, yeah, it's different

1920
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Speaker 2: when the nails are six inches long, and oh, by

1921
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Speaker 2: the way, she did clearly try to poke you, like,

1922
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Speaker 2: it's just the the only point I'm trying to make.

1923
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Speaker 2: Whoever advised her on this. It's just so idiotic and

1924
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Speaker 2: I just it didn't do anything. I don't think it.

1925
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Speaker 2: First of all, it ostracized. I think a lot of

1926
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Speaker 2: her followers that liked that she stayed out of politics.

1927
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Speaker 2: I don't think that, you know, she'll get a pat

1928
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Speaker 2: on the back from social media. But I don't think

1929
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Speaker 2: that anybody that didn't like her for this is all

1930
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Speaker 2: of a sudden like, well now you know, and again

1931
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Speaker 2: you look at the players. I don't think the conversation

1932
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Speaker 2: is going to change. I don't think she's all of

1933
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 2: a sudden gonna get a pat on the button say hey,

1934
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Speaker 2: good job from from some of the players that were

1935
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Speaker 2: trying to literally hurt her during the season last year.

1936
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Speaker 2: H J Mart. We got to get to break any

1937
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Speaker 2: last any last thoughts before but the.

1938
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Speaker 1: Ball I would say this, I'd say this, this is

1939
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Speaker 1: this is crazy, right because the quote is talking about

1940
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Speaker 1: you know, trail blazers that paved the way and all

1941
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 1: this other stuff. Right, it's being totally conciliatory, and you

1942
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Speaker 1: understand the spirit of it. Right, that interview damaged that league.

1943
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Speaker 1: Think about that, Think about what she was saying, and

1944
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a I don't think there's any

1945
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:56,480
Speaker 1: way to deny it. That interview and those comments damaged

1946
01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 1: that league. Damaged that league financially, her saying nice things

1947
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: about the rest of the league because of some of

1948
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the things that we've already.

1949
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 2: We all see it's nonsense.

1950
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. It damaged the league for her to

1951
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: say those things, because we all have eyes and we

1952
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: all remember things, and we've seen things, and so this

1953
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Speaker 1: this whole thing is just I sent it to you

1954
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: days ago and you were on the exact same page.

1955
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Speaker 1: It's just like, I'm just I'm disappointed with this. This

1956
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Speaker 1: is this is unfortunate because no one wins here.

1957
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 2: No one wins here. Caitlin Clark interesting week, and I'll

1958
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Speaker 2: just go back to where I led. I just I

1959
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 2: don't understand what the upside of even doing this interview was,

1960
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 2: let alone, you know whatever Fox Sports Radio eron towards

1961
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Jason Martin, Well, come back a league with plenty of

1962
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 2: drama on the field. Thankfully the NFL, we got a

1963
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 2: preview Week fifteen, some big ones and oh, by the way,

1964
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: maybe get into a little bit of speaking of some

1965
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 2: interesting quotes. A. J. Brown had some interesting things to

1966
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Speaker 2: say that's next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody, Fox

1967
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Ra Torres Jason Martin broadcasting live from the

1968
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 2: Tyreck dot Com studios. Quick correction from Torres. By the way,

1969
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Bernie Fratto out this weekend. Chris Plank following us. So

1970
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Speaker 2: we go, Yeah, we go to Chris Plank exactly twenty

1971
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 2: nine minutes and forty five seconds from now.

1972
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Speaker 1: He could tell us what Auburn's getting in Jackson Arnold, Oh.

1973
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited. I'm actually excited. Not for Oklahoma football.

1974
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 2: They could be bad again next year, but we'll discuss

1975
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 2: that with Plank in a little bit. Sorry, Plank, it's

1976
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 2: the truth. You know, you lost all your receivers into

1977
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,759
Speaker 2: the portal. But anyway is neither here nor there, because

1978
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: right now we do have to get to the news

1979
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 2: desk because Steve Sager's got an update for US.

1980
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 4: And Oklahoma's bowl games coming up against Navy, which just

1981
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 4: played today and Navy beat number twenty two Army thirty

1982
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 4: one thirteen. In case you didn't hear, Army's bowl game

1983
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 4: matchup will now be against five and seven Louisiana Tech

1984
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,440
Speaker 4: because Marshall opted out due to a wave of transfers

1985
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 4: after a coaching change there, we didn't have much football

1986
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 4: wise today, guys, we have a ton next weekend. Keep

1987
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 4: in mind the college football Playoff, now a twelve team playoff,

1988
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 4: begins with a Friday night game next weekend, Notre Dame

1989
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 4: hosting Indiana. The other three first round games are next Saturday,

1990
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 4: all at campus sites, and there are two NFL games

1991
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,839
Speaker 4: on TV next Saturday, opposite the college football on cable.

1992
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 4: So wile Penn State's hosting SMU, there's Texans at Kansas

1993
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 4: City Chiefs next Saturday, while Texas is hosting Clemson at

1994
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 4: four pm Eastern. Fox TV has Steelers at Ravens starting

1995
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 4: at four thirty eastern next Saturday. As for the Heisman

1996
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 4: Trophy winner, it was announced tonight it's Colorado wide receiver

1997
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:52,560
Speaker 4: and defensive back Travis Hunter. He had fifteen total touchdowns

1998
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 4: in twelve games played offense and defense. By voting points,

1999
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 4: it was the smallest margin of victory since two thousand

2000
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 4: and nine. But as far as first place votes only,

2001
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 4: Hunter had a sizeable advantage of about five fifty to

2002
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 4: three hundred over the man finishing second, Boise State running

2003
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 4: back Ashton genty Hunter. They said was named on ninety

2004
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 4: three percent of the ballots, which is top five all time,

2005
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,520
Speaker 4: and he did win five of the six voting regions.

2006
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 4: He barely lost in the Far West three hundred and

2007
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 4: fifty seven points to three point fifty four to the

2008
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 4: Boise State Star. A distant third in the balloting was

2009
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel, Oregon quarterback number one. Oregon is off until

2010
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 4: it's Rose Bowl quarterfinal, by the Way, which will be

2011
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 4: against the winner of Tennessee at Ohio State, which will

2012
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 4: be played next Saturday. The Kansas City Chiefs activated kicker

2013
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 4: Harrison Butker, so he will play Sunday at Cleveland after

2014
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 4: left knee surgery. Kicker matthew Wright was waived. Kansas City

2015
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 4: tackle DJ Humphries is out with a hamstring injury. Las

2016
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 4: Vegas defense van Max Crosby is out for the year.

2017
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 4: He'll have ankle surgery. Raiders quarterback Aidan O'Connell is questionable

2018
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 4: for Monday night against the Falcons with a knee injury.

2019
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 4: Two games Monday night, Chicago will play at Minnesota as well.

2020
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 4: Bears running back Roshawn Johnson is out with a concussion.

2021
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,839
Speaker 4: Running Back DeAndre Swift questionable with a groin injury. Dallas

2022
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 4: defensive back Trayvon Diggs likely out for the year. He'll

2023
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 4: have knee surgery, according to NFL Network, Saints quarterback Derek

2024
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 4: Carr officially out. Jay Hayneer will start tomorrow, and Washington

2025
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 4: defensive back Marshawn Lattimore is due to make his team

2026
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 4: debut Sunday at New Orleans.

2027
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 2: His former team.

2028
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 4: Washington activated wide receiver Jamison Crowder and placed wide receiver

2029
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 4: Noah Brown on ir and for the Seahawks Packers game.

2030
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Seattle running back Kenneth Walker is listed as doubtful with

2031
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 4: a calf injury. NBA Cup semifinals were today in Las Vegas.

2032
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 4: Milwaukee eliminated Atlanta, then Oklahoma City beat Houston the finals

2033
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: in Las Vegas Tuesday. Golden State is acquiring guard Dennis

2034
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: Shrewder from the Nets. He's on an expiring contract. Lebron

2035
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 4: James and the Lakers has been out for over a

2036
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 4: week with a sore foot. He has been upgraded to

2037
01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 4: questionable for tomorrow's game against Memphis. Philadelphia rookie Jared McCain

2038
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 4: is out in definitely. He'll have knee surgery for a

2039
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 4: torn meniscus. McCain is averaging fifteen points a game. In

2040
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 4: men's college basketball. Number one Tennessee still undefeated, one at

2041
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 4: Illinois on a layup at the Buzzers sixty six sixty four.

2042
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 4: Auburn ripped Ohio State in Atlanta. Kentucky over Louisville Lamont Butler,

2043
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 4: former Final four hero from San Diego State, had thirty

2044
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 4: three points for Kentucky, ten of ten from the floor,

2045
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 4: including from three point range, six for six six rank

2046
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 4: Marquette led eighteen to five early at Dayton, but the

2047
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 4: Dayton Flyers came back to upset them. Seventy one sixty

2048
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 4: three Alabama and Yukon with wins. Florida and Kansas as well.

2049
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 4: In Indianapolis, Texas, A and M beat Purdue in a

2050
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 4: top twenty matchup, seventy to sixty six Oklahoma and Old

2051
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 4: Miss with basketball victories. Memphis won today in overtime at

2052
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 4: number sixteen Clemson eighty seven eighty two, even though Memphis

2053
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 4: had trailed by six with about two and a half

2054
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 4: minutes left in regulation. Wins for Wisconsin and Mississippi State.

2055
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 4: Cincinnati beat rival Xavier sixty eight sixty five. Bearcats had

2056
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 4: lost five straight against savior Number twenty four, UCLA was

2057
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 4: playing Arizona in Phoenix, separate conferences. Now UCLA's nine and

2058
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 4: one after a comeback win fifty seven fifty four. Bruins

2059
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 4: had trailed by thirteen in the second half. Yet another coach,

2060
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 4: Mick cronin game they allow fifty four in an NHL

2061
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 4: late night game. In fact, a couple of scores to

2062
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 4: pass along. Bruins win five to one at Vancouver Tampa

2063
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,440
Speaker 4: Bay a five to one winner at Seattle.

2064
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 2: Back to you, thank you very much, Steve de Sager.

2065
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 2: Do Sager have a great evening? To sagre be back

2066
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 2: on Sunday with Chris plankint I do believe I was

2067
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,759
Speaker 2: going to say, among others, Chris Plank, who is following

2068
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 2: us now twenty four minutes and twenty one seconds from now,

2069
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 2: so Fox Sports Radio error towards Jason Martin. Jmart We're

2070
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 2: already short on time that we've just had so much

2071
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: to talk about today really quickly before we just very

2072
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 2: quickly look at some of the big games on Sunday

2073
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 2: in week fifteen, give me your AJ Brown, Jalen Hurtz.

2074
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 2: We need what's wrong with our team the past game.

2075
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 2: Comments from AJ Brown earlier this week.

2076
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: All right, So the reason I mentioned that I kind

2077
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 1: of wanted to discuss this when you had this situation

2078
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: at San Francisco? Was it Campbell? Is that his name?

2079
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 1: That's he took a red shirt?

2080
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if you already's gonna hit the portal?

2081
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, say all right, So that doesn't happen if forty

2082
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: nine ers are having a good season, right, Those kinds

2083
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 1: of things don't happen if they're having good years. But

2084
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: when things are not going well, all of a sudden,

2085
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: debo pops off, and then you have Campbell and you

2086
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: have all this other stuff. I do the show out

2087
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: of Nashville, and for years I covered the Titans week

2088
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 1: after week, including AJ Brown's entire time here and when

2089
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you went to Philadelphia. I don't know if I said

2090
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 1: it to you. I probably did, but I know I

2091
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 1: said it to a bunch of people and on many

2092
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: different programs. I hope it goes well up there, because

2093
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you're going to see a problem. The

2094
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: one reason this has not explos loaded is that they

2095
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 1: are eleven and two. Yep. If they start losing, look

2096
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: out because this same thing. AJ was the fun, loving

2097
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 1: guy he wasn't the diva here. Everybody else's divas everywhere

2098
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: else in the league. With AJ, Brown was a great

2099
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: player and all this. Then the team started to falter

2100
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. They lost that playoff game when they

2101
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: were the number one seed, lost to Cincinnati, and then

2102
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 1: AJ publicly wanted Julio Jones and that was fun. He's

2103
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 1: fun loving guy and all this, and then you started

2104
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: to have it. He had this weird conversation with Debo

2105
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: on a call that got leaked publicly, and you just

2106
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: started to hear things. He would just start to say things,

2107
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 1: and there was a malcontent and there was a change,

2108
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,520
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he gets moved and

2109
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: the GM loses his job, and all these other things happened.

2110
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: But we all knew that we're watching the team and

2111
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: covering it, that what we had thought about AJ in

2112
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 1: terms of like his mental stability and the way it

2113
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,440
Speaker 1: is that he goes about his business had shifted dramatically.

2114
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: And I think we had all figured out, at least

2115
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: most of us, that we got it wrong, that well,

2116
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this guy's not exactly as non

2117
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: diva like as we thought. So he gets up there

2118
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: and of course he and Hurts it thrown together at

2119
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 1: a wedding and hash this plan to go play together

2120
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Speaker 1: and now they're best friends and all this well look

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Speaker 1: at it now and you have this just starting to

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01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: leak now again, if they're not eleven and two, this

2123
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: may have led our show tonight because AJ Brown he's

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01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: a powder keg. He's very, very emotional and there's some

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Speaker 1: really good that comes with that, and he's an outstanding

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01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level player that's so much fun to

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01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: watch and you want to go battle with. But man,

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01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: when things are not going well, he is the last

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01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: guy that you want around. So I was thinking about

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01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: that Campbell thing when it happened Aaron, and I was

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01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 1: just like, that happens because San Francisco's having this kind

2132
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: of a year, but the Eagles are low that they're

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01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 1: having the year they are because what we're seeing from

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01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: Aj and some of this stuff that's raising some red flags.

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01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 1: It would be so much worse and it would be

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01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 1: front page news everywhere because AJ's just kind of volidle

2137
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: like that when it comes to his emotions, and I

2138
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 1: think it makes him great because of the way he

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01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 1: plays football. But it's also a major red flag and

2140
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: a detriment for your team, because he can become a

2141
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: cancer real fast. And when I started seeing that, it's

2142
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 1: just like he's already a little upset right now because

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01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: he thinks that they're winning on the backs of the

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Speaker 1: defense in the running game, and he also recognizes his

2145
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is a little bit struggling throwing the football and

2146
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: trying to get him the ball down the field. He

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01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: wants to be a part of a winning franchise, but

2148
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's already laying the groundwork if

2149
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: this thing doesn't work to explode in one direction.

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Speaker 2: I think it's all totally fair. And I think to

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01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 2: your point, it goes without saying that, you know, if

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01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 2: the team wasn't good. Yeah, I just I found just

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01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 2: the whole thing weird.

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01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 1: Weird.

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01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I don't know if there's jealousy

2156
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: of Saquon or if there's jealousy of what I mean,

2157
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 2: it could be any any which thing. But I just

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01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 2: find it just frankly stunning that that, you know, you know,

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01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 2: you can have issues behind the scenes, but to say

2160
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 2: anything publicly in the midst of a season that they

2161
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 2: are having, it's just bizarre to me. By the way,

2162
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 2: Eagles are part of a pretty big game on Sunday

2163
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 2: afternoon four to twenty five Eastern on Fox. They are

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01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 2: hosting the Pittsburgh Steelers. Any quick take on that one

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Speaker 2: before we get to break and wrap the show.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely one where we need two screens. Man. Yeah,

2167
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: Bill's Bill's Lions and Stewards Eagles happening at the same time.

2168
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Speaker 1: It's a good slate, man, There's some really interesting stuff.

2169
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: We didn't get to break it all down because so

2170
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: many other things are happening. But I mean, the Sunday

2171
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: night game is really good. Bucks Chargers is interesting because

2172
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: they're both fighting for their playoff lives. We just talked

2173
01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: about that doubleheader. I'm interested in Cowboys Panthers because if

2174
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: if you want a stat to take to the break,

2175
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: this will be the first game where the Panthers are

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01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: the betting favorite in their last thirty one football games.

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Speaker 2: I saw that stat. I saw that. We I'll tell

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01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 2: you what, let's come back, let's wrap the show. We'll

2179
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Speaker 2: do some quick preview of Week fifteen of the NFL,

2180
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 2: and then we do have to give our official picks

2181
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 2: for Week one of the college football playoff we'll come

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Speaker 2: back do all that next. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Torres, Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: at the top of the hour, Bernie Fratto out Chris

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Speaker 2: Plank In Plank will be following us. Cannot wait to

2187
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Speaker 2: hear what Plank has to say about Travis Hunter winning

2188
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy, all the big news from across the NFL, NBA,

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, and much more. Chris Plank coming up in

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Speaker 2: All right, j Martin, I'll tell you what. We really

2198
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,759
Speaker 2: haven't had much of a chance to preview the big ones,

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Speaker 2: both in the NFL, certainly in week fifteen. We also

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01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 2: got to look ahead to next Friday and Saturday in

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01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: college football. So Mary, give us a little music put

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01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 2: us in the mood, and let's start. You said it

2203
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 2: two screens Sunday at four to twenty five Eastern time.

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01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,520
Speaker 2: Let's get to the one that we did not mention earlier. Obviously.

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01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 2: It is you know what I think a lot of

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01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:48,640
Speaker 2: people believe could be a Super Bowl preview. O, my goodness,

2207
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills the Detroit Lions again four to twenty

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01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 2: five Eastern time. What do you think about that one, Jamart.

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Speaker 1: Man, I mean, that's just gonna be a great game.

2210
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. However it goes, the

2211
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 1: Lions just keep finding a way and they've got it

2212
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: at home, so I do favor them to win the game.

2213
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's been the MVP. I mean, he's definitely played

2214
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 1: MVP level football this year. Wouldn't be the least bit

2215
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 1: surprised if the Bills do go in there and win.

2216
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: But I do think the Lions, being at home, with

2217
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: that crowd and just the way their offense is hitting.

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01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 1: The only thing with them is injuries are starting to

2219
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: add up on the defensive side of the ball, and

2220
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,839
Speaker 1: that's something that that there needs to be a tourniquet

2221
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: stop that bleeding as fast as possible, because that will

2222
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: eventually cost them. I just don't know that it'll cost

2223
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: them in this game. So again I'll take Detroit.

2224
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 2: I'll go a little different. You know, Lions, two straight wins, obviously,

2225
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 2: both on Thursday nights, so they do get a little

2226
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 2: bit of extra time with this game. But both wins

2227
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,839
Speaker 2: were only by a field goal. Now, admittedly that Bears

2228
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 2: game was a little bit weird and they were kind

2229
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 2: of in control even though they you know, they only

2230
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 2: won by a field goal. And of course the Packers game,

2231
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 2: we know Dan Campbell, you know, the decision to go

2232
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 2: for it on fourth down to basically seal the win,

2233
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 2: not give the Packers back. So both of the last

2234
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 2: two games could have gone either way. Bills obviously coming

2235
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 2: off just that epic, epic, epic game, really a couple

2236
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 2: epic games. If you go back to the Snow game

2237
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 2: two Sundays ago, I will say, even though it's a

2238
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 2: lot of travel for the Bills west to east and

2239
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 2: then back, I'll take the Bills to win. How about

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Speaker 2: the other one we were talking about, Philly and Pittsburgh.

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01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: The game is in Philadelphia. Obviously, as we discussed last segment,

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01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 2: a lot of conversation in Philly this week, unfortunately away

2243
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 2: from the field, where AJ Brown had some interesting comments

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01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 2: about the state of the past game. Philadelphia is hosting

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01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers for twenty five Eastern on Fox. Who

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01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 2: you like, Jmartin?

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01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I like Philadelphia. If Pittsburgh wins,

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01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna have some issues. There's gonna be something said

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01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 1: during the week. There's no question about that, especially if

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01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 1: it goes similarly where Hertz is struggling to throw the

2251
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: football downfield and they're unable offensively to get the job done.

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01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: I still like, I'm still trying to figure out exactly

2253
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 1: how the Steelers are winning. Like I understand what the

2254
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 1: defense is doing, but some of the stuff that Russ

2255
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 1: has gotten away with. And I do like Philadelphia to

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01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: win the game. I think they have a better overall defense,

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01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: and the chances are the Steelers and can make a

2258
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:21,880
Speaker 1: mistake offensively, the Eagles can potentially take that. But I

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01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: don't know how good I feel about it. It's that

2260
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 1: in state deal. They don't like each other at all.

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01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be super physical, a lot of hard hitting

2262
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: in that game. I think I'll take the home team,

2263
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 1: but Tomlin finds a way a lot of times to

2264
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: pool games like this out.

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01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. My only real thought, I think is that we've

2266
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 2: seen so many times in sports like just there's a

2267
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 2: narrative all week and we think it means one thing,

2268
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 2: and then the game gets played and it means absolutely nothing.

2269
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 2: And this feels like that to me. You know. Obviously,

2270
01:56:56,200 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 2: Philadelphia along with Detroit, is as hot as anybody in

2271
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 2: the league right now. It's kind of unbelievable how well

2272
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 2: they're playing. So I think, like you said, if they lose,

2273
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 2: it's certainly gonna be a thing, and there's gonna be

2274
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 2: a lot of reporters around AJ Brown's locker. But I

2275
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 2: do think that Philadelphia finds a way to win against

2276
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 2: a very good Steelers team. Speaking of in state teams

2277
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 2: that aren't really rivals but sort of rivals, let's go

2278
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:23,879
Speaker 2: to Friday night, Indiana Hoosiers at Notre Dame, the first

2279
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 2: ever college football playoff game in the twelve team era.

2280
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:33,000
Speaker 2: By the way, Notre Dame is a very comfortable favorite

2281
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 2: in this one. Any chance that there's an upset in

2282
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 2: South Bend on Saturday on Friday night, excuse me, Jmr.

2283
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Sure there is? I mean, I don't know how battle

2284
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: tested Notre Dame is coming in against coach sig and

2285
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 1: an offense that's had a couple weeks to prepare. I'm

2286
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna pick Notre Dame to win a game, but I

2287
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: don't think Anyand's gonna get blown out in this game.

2288
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: I think they absolutely can beat Notre Dame. I just

2289
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to in this case.

2290
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll be competitive. I think Notre Dame wins.

2291
01:57:58,400 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 2: I'll say this, don't want to get too far ahead

2292
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 2: of ourselves, because you know, Notre Dame's gonna beat Indiana first.

2293
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame, with Georgia very likely having a

2294
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 2: backup quarterback, makes for a very intriguing potential Round two matter.

2295
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 2: I guess it would be down the road, but you know,

2296
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It sets up for what

2297
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 2: I think could be a very interesting matchup Penn State.

2298
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 2: You mentioned it earlier. There's no way James Franklin possibly

2299
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 2: loses to SMU at home as an eight and a

2300
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 2: half point favorite, is there, j Martin?

2301
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he'd better hope not. I don't think you

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01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: will in this case. I think it's gonna be an

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01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 1: interesting game. It's going to be a styles clash. I

2304
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: just this Penn State team at times has been kind

2305
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 1: of sneaky in terms of its ability to score some

2306
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 1: points you're not expecting. I could see that happening a

2307
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 1: little bit against SMU. But the big thing is Penn

2308
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 1: State's defense. I think SMU has not seen that kind

2309
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 1: of a defense consistently enough, and I think that'll Stomium.

2310
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: Plus just the environment and the Penn State crowd. I

2311
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be too much for SMU.

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01:58:56,240 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 2: Texas, do they beat Clemson? Yeah, Saturday afternoon, Okay, get

2313
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 2: to the big one. Then Tennessee at Ohio State. Tennessee

2314
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 2: a seven and a half point underdog.

2315
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that's disrespectful.

2316
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 2: Ryan Day does he get knocked out first round of

2317
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:12,919
Speaker 2: the playoff.

2318
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm fascinated. I don't know if Niko is

2319
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 1: ready for this moment in that building. I know that

2320
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 1: defense can be and I know Dylan Sampson can be.

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01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Ohio State to win the game, but

2322
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 1: I may change that by the time the game is

2323
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 1: actually played. I'm I'm wavering back and forth on it.

2324
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting Kirk Kurkstreet's saying, would it

2325
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 2: be better for Ohio State to be on their own?

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