1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. I know we often tell you this, 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: but I mean today's show is absolutely stat So let 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: us give you a sense of where we are going. Obviously, 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna be publing Ukraine and latest on inflation the autonomy, 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: but also NCAA records looking like they'll be smashed by 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: transgender swimmer Leah Thomas, a police police excessive fourth story 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: that I don't think you've heard, and you should, Clay, 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: and I'll break that one down for you later on. 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: And also guests that are going to be joining us. 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: We've got out an OutKick writer. At one o'clock a 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: mister Kinsey, I believe we'll be joining us Clay. Two pm, 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: Senator rand Paul will be with us to talk about 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: Fauci and getting rid of his I'm sorry, yeah, getting 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: rid of his job. Two thirty pm four her Attorney 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: General actually twice over, Bill Barr will be with us 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: talk to him about election integrity situation Ukraine. I mean, 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: we have so so much that we will be getting into. 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: But first this one, this one I think is this 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: is going to be clay where you see, this will 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: be talked about on the right and the Democrat aligned 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: corporate media is going to essentially report on this like 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: it's you know who who won the prized goat at 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: the state fair, Like just you know, we're just reporting 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: on it. We're gonna just pass this. Not a big deal, 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: nothing to see here, big big in terms of length, 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: long store. New York Times hunter Biden paid tax bill, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: but broad federal investigation continues. The Justice Department inquiry into 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: the business dealings of the president's son remained active, with 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: a grand jury seeking information about payments from around the world. 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Now this is really interesting. People familiar with the investigation 33 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: said prosecutors had examined emails between mister Biden, mister Archer 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: and others about Barizma remember that, everybody, oh yeah, and 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: New York Times from a cash of files that appear 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: to have come from a laptop abandoned by mister Biden 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: the cash were authenticated by people familiar with them and 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: with the investigation. Okay, now, here's the thig Clay, you know, 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I know, and everyone listening to this has known all 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: along that the emails the Hunter Biden laptop was real, 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: but that The New York Times, the flagship lib paper, 44 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: has now had to concede over a year, you know, 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: going on a year and a half after this whole 46 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: controversy came out right before an election. I mean, there's 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: so much. There's the let's maybe actually talk about the 48 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: corruption of the Biden selling influence situation. But then there's 49 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: also how does the media ever regain credibility when they 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: clearly with the collusion, dare I say of social media 51 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: suppressed this story, pretended that they were morons just so 52 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: they could avoid telling the truth right before an election. 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: There is so much here, Buck. To me, everyone wants 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: to talk about disinformation and misinformation. The biggest collusion that 55 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: has ever occurred in the history of the American presidency, 56 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: in any of our lives presidential election occurred in the 57 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: fall of twenty twenty. Remember what happened when this story 58 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: came out, Buck, The New York Post was locked, its 59 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: account was locked by Twitter. Jensaki, who is now the 60 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Press Secretary, came out along with many other national security 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: advisers to say that this could be Russian disinformation. Also, 62 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: you've got everyone not allowing that story to be shared. 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, Kaylee mcinaney, at the time, the 64 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: press secretary for Donald Trump had her Twitter account locked 65 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: for sharing this story. And now eighteen months after, the 66 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: New York Post, which deserves immense credit for having the 67 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: ability to get this done, now, eighteen months after that happened, 68 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: was suddenly amazingly, all of these news outlets are now 69 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: going to report what anyone with a functional brain who 70 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: had been reading this would have known, based on the pictures, 71 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: based on the details, based on the specificity of every 72 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: thing that was found in this laptop. It would have 73 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: been impossible to fake. And remember, Maggie Haberman, who has 74 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: been at the New York Times going after Donald Trump 75 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: for a long time, tweeted this this morning, a deep 76 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: dive into the Hunter Biden investigation, including the emails released 77 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: in late twenty twenty, characterized as possible Russian disinformation by 78 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: some were authentic. So fuck this swung the election? Okay, 79 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about twenty sixteen and everything 80 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: that happened surrounding the Russian influence in that election, and 81 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: when you actually break it down, it was very minimal, 82 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: hardly any dollars spent on Facebook ads in the grand 83 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: scheme of things. This decision by big tech not to 84 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: cover the Hunter Biden's story, not to cover Biden's potential, 85 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: certainly it seems involvement in trying to make money in 86 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: Ukraine and in China to trade off of his influence. 87 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's clear. I mean, you want to talk about 88 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: somebody who is a target for all sorts of intelligence 89 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: related issues. This guy, based on everything that was inside 90 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: of his lap, was an unmitigated disaster for anyone that 91 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: cares about intelligence related issues. Big tech companies, the facebooks, 92 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: the Twitters, the Instagrams, the snapchats of the world they 93 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: rigged the twenty twenty election ensured that the vast majority 94 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: of the American public didn't know about any of the 95 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: details included in this story. And as a result, when 96 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: you look at how close, even by the tally that 97 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: is out there right now, forty thousand votes buck forty 98 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: thousand votes changed, Donald Trump is reelected in twenty twenty, 99 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: there is zeroed out in my mind that this was 100 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: collusioned by the big tech companies on the Hunter Biden's story, 101 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: and that by colluding they change the outcome of the 102 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. They put their finger on the scale 103 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: in a massive way in favor of Joe Biden, and 104 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: they rigged the election for him based on the way 105 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: they allowed stories to be covered and not covered. So 106 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: there's the putting their hand which you're describing clay on 107 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: the scale for Biden from big Tech, which really likely 108 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: delivered the election to him. And when you look at 109 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: the outcome, I mean, they change the outcome and so 110 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: and you can say all their private companies or whatever, well, 111 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: actually they there's a lot of regulation and they work 112 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: hand in glove with the Biden White House now and 113 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: it's not as simple as they're just private companies. Let 114 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: them do whatever they want. No other private company gets 115 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: to just do whatever it wants. Uh. And and here's 116 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: the other part of it, though, there is actually some 117 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: really shady stuff. You know. They the way that they 118 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: avoided the Hunter Biden selling influence from his essentially you know, 119 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: obviously from his father, The way that they avoided covering 120 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: this in the media, and all of all these and 121 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: anchors were the laptopic. Remember they were saying unverified possible 122 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: Russian disinformation. They put people including former very senior intelligence 123 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: folks you know, used to run the you know, the 124 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: DNI or the CIA director. Some of these people are morons, 125 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: by the way, I can speak to that in some detail. 126 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: Another day they would say, oh, well, we're not going 127 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: to deal with the allegations of corruption against the now 128 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: president's son then Democrat candidates son. But here it's just 129 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: from this New York Times piece because you know, eventually 130 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: they got to deal with By the way played the 131 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: headline they've given this, it's like they're trying to make 132 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: it boring. That's another note. I just want to give 133 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: you Hunter Biden paid tax bill. But broad federal investigation continues. 134 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there's this thing they're looking at Hunter Biden, 135 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: but like, you know, we'll tell you about it. But 136 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: here's from the piece. In some of the emails, mister 137 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: Biden displayed a Hunter Biden, a familiarity with Farah, the 138 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: Foreign Agents Registration Act, and a desire to avoid triggering it. 139 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: In one email in April of twenty four teen, mister 140 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Biden outlined his vision for working with Parisma which is 141 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: a Ukrainian natural gas company. By the way, for those 142 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: keeping score. In the email, Hunter Biden indicated that the 143 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: forthcoming announcement of a trip to Ukraine by Vice President Biden, 144 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: who's referred to in the email as my guy, should 145 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: be characterized as part of our advice and thinking. But 146 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: he will say and do what he will say and 147 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: do is out of our control. This is exact, this Clay, 148 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: This is influence peddling, full stop. We're here, man. I 149 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: just happened to be the son of you know, really 150 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: important American political figure. But you know, no big deal, 151 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: corrupt Ukrainian natural gas company, China and Ukraine. Remember this 152 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: is part of the story. And by the way, can 153 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: we just say this is yet another thing that Donald 154 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: Trump was one hundred percent right about. You remember the 155 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes interview. If I believe as Leslie Visser, am 156 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I right about that? Or maybe it wasn't. Less Leslie stalls, 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Leslie Stall, I think you're right. Anyway. The old woman, 158 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: one of them that's on sixty Minutes, sitting across from 159 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: President Trump, and he was asking her on tape why 160 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: they weren't investigating the Hunter Biden laptop, and she was saying, well, 161 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: it's not true. And this goes to our point, buck, 162 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: which is not only are there many liars involved in 163 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, there's also a lot of dumb people 164 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: who are refusing to take risks. And so eighteen months later, 165 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: we want to talk about lies, you want to talk 166 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: about disinformation, you want to talk about conspiracy theories. It's 167 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: amazing how so much of what you and I talk about, 168 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: so much of what you and I tweet about months 169 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: in advance of when it becomes the accepted truth. What's 170 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: the line difference tween a conspiracy theory and the truths? 171 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: About six months? Well, for the New York Times, it 172 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: took eighteen months. And I just want to read Jensaki's 173 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: tweet here again, because this is a massive story, all right, 174 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: And I'm curious whether now that The New York Times 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: is saying, oh it's real now, everybody else will chase 176 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: it because there's a lot of media companies with egg 177 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: on their face. And by the way, credit to the 178 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: New York Post for running this, getting it all right 179 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: and being willing to take the slings and arrows associated 180 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: But Jensaki, who is constantly lecturing America about the need 181 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: for everyone out there to the tech companies to share 182 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: info with them and to make sure that they're not 183 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: sharing misinformation and disinformation. Her tweet is still up and 184 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: she tweeted Hunter Biden's story is Russian disinfo. Dozens of 185 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: former Intel officials say the Russians had nothing to do 186 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: with this. Hunter Biden was a drug addict who sold 187 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: influence to China and to Ukraine and probably other countries 188 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: as well. Based on his father. If you read those 189 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: emails and if you study the story here, Biden is 190 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: corrupt as a politician can be. The Biden family is 191 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: everything that the mainstream media spent five or six years 192 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: telling you that the Trump family was. They're actually the 193 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: ones selling influence. Imagine if one of the Trump suns 194 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: had the laptop that Hunter Biden does. It's a disgrace. 195 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: Our media is a joke, and they failed the country 196 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: and big tech rigged the twenty twenty election in favor 197 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden. I think it's important for everyone to 198 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: recognize big tech doesn't apologize for this. Big tech doesn't say, 199 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: you know what, we really we shouldn't have been shutting 200 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: down the Hunter Biden laptop story before. We shouldn't have 201 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: been shutting down honest discourse about vaccine mandates or mask 202 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: policies or anything else. We don't have the absolute truth 203 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: at our disposal, and short of a violation of law, 204 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be putting our hands on the scale. But 205 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: they're psycholibs, and psycholibs need safe spaces and need to 206 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: silence the other side because they can't dar I say Clay, 207 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: they can't handle the truth. Buck. They locked the New 208 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: York Post Twitter account and refused to allow them to post. 209 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: They locked the press secretary at the time, Kaylee mcinneini's 210 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: tweet for sharing this story. They refuse to allow this 211 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: short story to be shared if we want to have 212 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: congressional investigations, And then there's lots of talk about congressional 213 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: investigations where on the nine hundred and sixty four different 214 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: hearing it feels like associated with January sixth, when the 215 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: Republicans win back the House and I hope the Senate. 216 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: We need a massive investigation into the collusion that existed 217 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: in big tech companies Facebook, Twitter and the like Google 218 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: and how they all ended up not allowing a story 219 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: like this to be shared New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN. 220 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I guarantee you there was cross talk going on at 221 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: the top of these organizations saying we aren't going to 222 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: allow this story to be shared, and that is collusion 223 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: at its essence, and it rigged an election. 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Walcome back in Thursday edition 251 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Saint Patrick's Day, also the 252 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: n Cuba Tournament underway. A lot of you are gonna 253 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: probably have a few adult beverages during the course of today. 254 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Some of you might already be doing so while watching 255 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: some of the games. I bet our guests now, who 256 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: is one of the great writers at OutKick dot com, 257 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Joe Kinzie, We'll probably be having a few beers. What's 258 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: your beer of choice on St. Patrick's Day. Joe Dennis. 259 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm just a Guennis guy. I love Dennis. Give me 260 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: a Gennis on draft a lot of head on at, Clay, 261 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: and I'll suck those down all night. Careful with the 262 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: word choice there. All right, let's dive into I gotta 263 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: we gotta woke bracket that is up at OutKick that 264 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: you have done an incredible job on. We're gonna get 265 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to that in a moment, but first, you're writing this 266 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: morning on the situation with the transgender pen swimmer who 267 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: had a three second win in the five hundred. This 268 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: story is still not being covered very much in the 269 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: world of sports because it proves that a biological man 270 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: who decides to become a woman has a substantial competitive advantage, 271 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: at least based on the results so far, I believe 272 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the pen transgender swimmer's biological mail one by three seconds 273 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: in the five hundred. Prelimbs. What can you tell us 274 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: about the latest on this story and where it's headed. Well, Clay, 275 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: we have Leah Thomas, the transgender pen swimmer, as you said, 276 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: with a swam a four. He he swam a four 277 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: thirty three eighty two, and that was Yes, it was 278 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: three seconds faster than the next the next qualifier, Erica Sullivan. 279 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: So we have a we have a situation that is 280 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: now the fastest time in the five hundred freestyle in 281 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: the nation this season, even faster than Brook Forty, who 282 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: is Pat forty sports illustrator writer, faster than his daughter 283 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: who won clay. She won a silver medal at the 284 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Olympics in August for the four by two hundred freestyle 285 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: team for the United States. So not only is Leah 286 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: Thomas dominating the swimming, Leah Thomas is beating Olympic silver 287 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: medalist Clay. That is where we're at. We're heading into 288 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: the finals tonight at six pm. Uh in Leah Thomas, 289 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: if it stands as it stands now, it's going to 290 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: be a question if she breaks he breaks the pool 291 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: record and wins the national title. That's that's that's all. 292 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: It's yeah, what is that number? What is the pool record? Like, 293 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: how close is it to being broken? The pool record 294 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: is four thirty eighty one. We're talking three seconds. This 295 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: was the qualifier, you know, this wasn't this wasn't leave 296 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: it all on the leave it all on the pool. 297 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Uh So three seconds could could come down tonight. I mean, 298 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: we could be talking about a new pool record for 299 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: the NCAA Championships. So so, just to be very clear, 300 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: Joe Um, I don't follow swimming in general me NC 301 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: double A level. So when you say pool record, is it, 302 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: is it then possible that tonight and I think six 303 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Eastern they have the the five hundred freestyle National championship 304 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: right tonight, you could have a transgender female hold the 305 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: all time record for the NC double A for the 306 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: five hundred meter freestyle swim, right, I mean, and so 307 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not is it possible that it wouldn't just be 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: this year, it would be number one all time. So 309 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas would have to be Katie Ledeck, you know, 310 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the most decorated women's female swimming champion of all time, 311 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: who has a four twenty four that is the NC 312 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: double A record. Leah Thomas would have to be a 313 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: four twenty four oh six, So is it possible, Well, 314 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: she just Leah Thomas just swam the fastest time in 315 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: the nation, and it could it could fall tonight. We 316 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: could see we could see an all time record and 317 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: a pool record and a national championship. So yeah, I 318 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the question. And what are 319 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: the what are the some of the other women. I mean, 320 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: one of the things that I know you would out 321 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: kick and Clay and I have been talking about here 322 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: as you guys have been covering the story, is that 323 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: there's this fear of women who are actually biological women 324 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: who are swimming against Leah Thomas, and they understand this 325 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: is biochemically unfair and kind of outrageous through them, but 326 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: they're worried about speaking out. I mean, are there more 327 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: people that are coming forward right now? You think? Are 328 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: they willing to speak to the press more about this? 329 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: Are they going to wait until Leah Thomas becomes perhaps 330 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: the national champion and then there'll be more outcry? How 331 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: do you see that playing out? Well, we know that 332 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: brook Forty, who is entering the finals in the sixth 333 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: place position. We know through her father who released a 334 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: statement in January who said I'm perfectly fine with this. 335 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: Whatever happens happens. Well, here's what happens. You are an 336 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: Olympic champion who is now going to lose. As it 337 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: stands right now, brook Forty will lose anational championship to 338 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: a guy and Pat Forty, the Sports Illustrated writer. He 339 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: is on record saying that he understands that this is 340 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: an unfair playing playing field here, but they're so far 341 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: down the woke you know, they're they've jumped in so 342 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: deep in the woke world that they can't now speak 343 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: out about it because then they're going to lose their 344 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: street cred, buck, you know. They They're in this tough 345 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: situation now where Pat Forty has to watch his daughter 346 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: lose to prove a point. And now Pat Forty is 347 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: saying this is all political, politically driven. These are political 348 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: people that are that are making this a problem. Well, Pat, 349 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 1: your daughter's about to lose, you know, and you know 350 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: it's a problem, and you're unwilling to speak out about it, 351 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: so you know what, you almost deserve to lose, right Joe. 352 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: What's crazy too, is this pen transgender swimmer says that 353 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: the plan is to become a member of the twenty 354 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: twenty four women's Olympic team. So this story for people 355 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: out there who are saying, Okay, well I don't really 356 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: care that much, and some of you may not care 357 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: that much about a biological man dominating women swimming in college, 358 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: it's a possibility than in a couple of years, this 359 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: pin transgender swimmer could be taking away an Olympic position 360 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: from a biological woman and competing as a woman at 361 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: the Olympics. I mean, this is this is full on 362 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: in woke insanity, right. I mean, there's no other way 363 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: to describe this, Clay, as long as these numbers continue, 364 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas will be an Olympic swimmer or the United 365 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: States swimming team. This is not this is not some 366 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: far fetched reality. This is this is what's going to happen. 367 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: If these times maintain. You know, if Leah Thomas maintains 368 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: these times, Leah Thomas will be on the Olympic team, 369 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: and the Olympic Leah Thomas will take a biological female 370 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: spot on the Olympic team. We're speaking of Joe Kinsey 371 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: of OutKick dot Com. He's got a story up on 372 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas smashing the records the times of biological females 373 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: in the NC Double A Swimming Championship preliminary rounds. At 374 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Joe to the point about the Olympics. One thing Clay 375 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: and I've been talking about is how once this starts 376 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: to be you know, look, NC Double A swimming, there's 377 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: there's obviously no money in it, or I don't know, 378 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: maybe you can sell your identity or not identity, you 379 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think that's all. That's a 380 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: different thing you get, you know, you can sell your 381 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: image and likeness. That's what I was trying to think of. 382 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: But in general, there's no no money in swimming. But 383 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: when you get to gold medals, and when you get 384 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: to Olympic medalists that I've seen assessments that say that 385 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: that's worth seven figures to people in terms of endorsements 386 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: and speaking engagements, etc. So how does the International Olympic 387 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: Committee treat this situation? I mean, do we know what 388 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the what are the rules about someone like Leah Thomas, 389 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: a transgender swimmer competing for actual medals at an actual well, Buck, 390 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: They've they've been rewriting the legislation and they've they've they've 391 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: got pages and pages of you got you gotta go 392 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: through this process and you got to prove this, and 393 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: you got to go before the doctors. And but let's 394 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: face it, Buck, everything that they've written this year, as 395 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: far as legislation is, none of it is going to 396 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: stop Leah Thomas from competing for a spot on that team. 397 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: None of it buck because Leah Thomas came out a 398 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: week or two ago and said, listen, I am going 399 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: to go back and go get a law degree or 400 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: something like that. I guess, and I am going to 401 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: train for the Olympics. And this is not going to 402 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: stop Leah Thomas. There's nothing that the US Olympic team 403 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: that has put forward to stop a transgender swimmer from 404 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: competing in the London Games. And that is where this 405 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: is headed. We are seeing the early stages of what 406 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: is setting up for one of the most in same 407 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: stories in Olympic history. You mentioned, And I want to 408 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: get to this because I think people will love it. 409 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: The amount of American sports media that is woke is like, 410 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: what do you think, Joe, You've been doing this for 411 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: a long time. Ninety five percent. If you were analyzing 412 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: as people in sports media, what percentage of them do 413 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: you think voted by nover Trump? Oh my god, it's 414 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: easily into the nineties. And I would have to say 415 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: into the mid nineties. Clay. We have very few instances 416 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: where we know of blue check marks that aren't in 417 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: the woke world. I'm one of the few right. I'm 418 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: one of the few who's actually come out and said 419 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: I was willing to vote for The reason why I 420 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: bring this up with you, Joe, is because you mentioned 421 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Pat Forty, who writes now I believe that Sports Illustrated. 422 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: His daughter is an Olympian, which is an incredible accomplishment. 423 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: She may lose her chance to win an NC double 424 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: a championship to a guy, and Pat Forty is in 425 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: some way defending this, and he is a part you've done. 426 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: This is the second year in a row where we 427 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: have a woke Sports Media Bracket Challenge for people out 428 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: there who like to do bracket voting and have fun 429 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: with it. You've got twenty different woke sports media members. 430 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: Last year Jamal Hill who memorably called the president a 431 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: white supremacist and got to keep working at ESPN. She won, 432 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: so she's been we've pulled her out of the ranks. 433 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: But this is pretty entertaining. Twenty different people all competing 434 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: for the title of Outkicks Woke Bracket Challenge winner, Clay. 435 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: This has become my calling card. You know. The readers 436 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: request it. They want the bracket, they want the Woke 437 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: All Star Challenge. Listen, we had trouble coming up with 438 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: number one seeds. There were so many people that could 439 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: have been a number one seed in this bracket. We 440 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: have Rex Chapman, your buddy, he's you know, he's one 441 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: of the buck. You even know these guys we got 442 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: listen to the one seeds. Rex Chapman, who is insufferable 443 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: on social media. We've got Keith Olberman, who you pointed 444 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: text to me this morning, is trying to steal somebody 445 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: else's show at MSNBC. Yep, he's a true lunatic. U 446 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: Darren Ravell who covers sports, media and business and has 447 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: turned into an insane man over COVID. He wears like 448 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: forty different masks a day. And then we've got Mina Kimes, 449 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: who is who has gotten too a woke battle So 450 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: people love this, I mean, you even Buck, I think 451 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: we'll enjoy it. So we have oddsmakers putting up lines 452 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: breaking down the matchup, and then we just let everybody 453 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: vote for it, and people flood in like crazy to 454 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: read Joe's breakdown. Yeah, Clay, the thing about the Woke 455 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: Challenge is is we have competitors that I think loves 456 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: the Woke Challenge and they're trying to win it, Clay. 457 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: They really want to win this nuts this week. He 458 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: wants to win this, Clay. This is what it's all about. 459 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: They want to prove how woke they are, and this 460 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: is one of the ways they do it. There's no 461 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: such thing as two woke to the world. That's what 462 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: you have to remember. They can always be crazier and 463 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like gentlemen, they're going to try to prove it. Yes, 464 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: so go check it out, Joe. We appreciate the time 465 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: OutKick dot com. People can go check out the Woke Bracket. 466 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: They can follow you at Joe Kinzie e XP. I'll 467 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: tweet out your handle if people are engining it, and 468 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: they can stay a as well. 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Buck had 502 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: never filled one out in his life before this year. 503 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Where has he been under our raucous hole? I know, 504 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: my goodness, Well, see my bracket. I haven't looked at 505 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: it lately, but it would include Baylor, UK and Kentucky. 506 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know if all four, all three of 507 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: those can make the final four. Somebody has to beat 508 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: somebody somewhere. Yeah, Baylor and Kentucky could end up going 509 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: head to head before all is shed and done. But 510 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: let's dive in. We just played a cut senator with 511 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci, who appears to be in a bunker by 512 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. They're trying to hide him. But he 513 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: did an interview I don't know if you've seen this 514 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: yet with a local San Diego news station where he 515 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: said it may be necessary to reimplement masks and all 516 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: the other restrictions if we have another surge. Your reaction 517 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: when you hear that. If there ever was one American 518 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: who would have a pessimistic approach to, you know, the 519 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: pandemic going away, would have to be Faulci. I was 520 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: hoping that he was in the witness protection program and 521 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: we wouldn't ever see him again. But you know, he 522 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: keeps creeping back up. But no, this has been true 523 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: every every at every stage of the game. When we 524 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: talked about kids going back to school, he's like, well, 525 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: we just don't know. When we talked about whether or 526 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: not you get immunity from the disease, you know, when 527 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: you had COVID, you have immune protection, Well we just 528 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: don't know. But his conclusion would all, did we just 529 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: lose a sentoredom You're still there, yes, sir. At every 530 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: turn though, Faulci, really his inclination is towards authoritarian His 531 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: inclination is towards taking our liberty away. He's even said, 532 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: when asked, you know, is individual liberty important, He's like, well, 533 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: not so much so. But no, I think we should 534 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: quit taking advice from him. And I think the American 535 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: people already, I mean, we had to vote this week, 536 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: where fifty seven of us voted to get rid of 537 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: the mask mandate on planes, we had eight Democrats join us, 538 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: which is a first. What is wrong with I mean, 539 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask you, Senator, the Democrats in 540 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: the Senate, do they actually believe this? I mean, I 541 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: would like to think that at some level they're smart 542 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: enough to understand that just masking on planes is idiocy, 543 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: but that this is just about the political optics for them. 544 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: Or are some of your Democrat colleagues in the Senate 545 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: so emotionally damage from the COVID and the masking and 546 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Fauciism that they really, somehow think that masking for less 547 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: than one percent of a person's life is going to 548 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: keep them safe from the virus. Very few of them 549 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: have ever had a science course, I mean about eighty 550 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: years ago when they're in high school. They might have 551 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: had some basic science, but we've got very few on 552 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: the other side that are scientists, physicians, chemists, engineers. So 553 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: we have people that are not very knowledgeable on science. 554 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: But there are also people who have a tendency to 555 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: like collectivism, to like the collective judgment of somebody telling 556 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: them what to do, and the idea of submission. And 557 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: this is a real problem. I mean, there was a 558 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: pole about a month ago that asked Democrats, if someone 559 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: is unvaccinated, would you be fined with incarcerating them? Over 560 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: half of Democrats thought it'd be fine to indefinitely detain 561 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: people who chose not to be vaccinated. So's the kind 562 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: of people we're dealing with. And we're just on opposite 563 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: sides of the coin on this. But I think what 564 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: they've finally discovered. Eight of the Democrats who voted to 565 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: get rid of the mandate this week form are in 566 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: competitive races so and the other couple are in Republican states. 567 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: So I think it's pushing forward. I think there are 568 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: moms and dads who are Democrats and independents that see 569 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of oh, yeah, my two year old has 570 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: to wear a mask, and yet I see eighty year 571 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: old senators, you know, having a chummy conversation with the 572 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: President Biden in the Oval office. So there's no consistency 573 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: or any science to any of this, and I think 574 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: people are just tired of the submission just for submission's sake. 575 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: Senor Paul, I'm assuming you saw the New York Times 576 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: has acknowledged that now, oh, those Hunter Biden emails in 577 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: the laptop, it's real. I know we've talked with you 578 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: about the possibility of getting an investigation going of Fauci 579 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: and also of everything surrounding COVID in general. It's imperative 580 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: that people vote for the House to be taken back 581 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: and the Senate to be taken back to give you 582 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: guys the power to ask these kind of important questions, 583 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: isn't it Well. I can tell people for certain that 584 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: if the Senate is taken over, I will have a 585 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: chairmanship and I will use subpoena power to get to 586 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: the bottom of this. In particular, I want to know 587 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: the origins of the virus, and I want to know 588 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: if doctor Fauci and doctor Collins covered it up. We 589 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: have a great deal of evidence that they did, but 590 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: we still have several emails that were redacted and I 591 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: want to know what happened there, and we're going to 592 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: find that out. Some of that information does exist, and 593 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: we're going to get to the bottom of it. We're 594 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: also going to get to the bottom of a CDC 595 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: that is leaving out large segments of studies to try 596 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: to bolst to their conclusions, sold twenty year old get 597 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: a booster, which I think is crazy on the surface 598 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: of it. Well, they studied the question and they found 599 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 1: in a large study that does between eighteen and forty nine, 600 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: which is one hundred and thirty two million people, that 601 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: there was no benefit of a booster. So what did 602 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: they do? They left it out of the study. See, 603 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: if you were in charge of a scientific journal, you 604 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: should be fired. But if you're in part of government 605 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: and you're picking and choosing the different parts of the 606 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: data and leaving it out if it doesn't fit your conclusion, 607 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: that's a fire uple offense. And yet they're doing that 608 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: on a routine basis, and they were destroying the reputation 609 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: of the CDC and government in general. Sender Paul, thank 610 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. We'll talk to you 611 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: again soon. Thank you. 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I am now 629 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: joined the former attorney general under President Trump and attorney 630 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: general once before that as well, also author of One 631 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: Damn Thing after Another, which is already a big bestseller. 632 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: It's available now. I want to go pick it up. 633 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: Get your copy of it. Bill Barr, Bill, good to 634 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: see you. Great to be here, Buck. So you already 635 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: made some news earlier today you talked on Fox about 636 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan withdrawal from the Biden administration and how you 637 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: think that that created a pathway, a green light, a 638 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: perception among Putin and his top advisors about Ukraine. Tell 639 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: us more about this. Yeah, well, his Putin's red line 640 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: has always been he doesn't want NATO right on the 641 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: border of Russia. So he didn't want Ukraine going into NATO. 642 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: But there was no urgency about that. It wasn't as 643 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: if that was going to happen anytime soon. And I 644 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: felt after Biden won the election that Putin would decide 645 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: he didn't need to negotiate. He could take what he 646 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: wanted under Biden. And then when there was Afghanist and 647 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: I put that in my book, and then when Afghanistan occurred, 648 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, crystallized Putin's view that this 649 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: guy was weak. How do you think it's been handled 650 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: since the invasion, since the tanks rolled in into Ukraine 651 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: from the Biden point of view, the diplomacy, all of that, Well, 652 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to It's hard to say since the tanks 653 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: rolled in, because he should have been putting these the 654 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: weaponry in before the tanks rolled We knew that this 655 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: was a big risk of him moving in and the 656 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: name of the game was deterrence. But he didn't put 657 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: the weapons in at that point. That would have made 658 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: a Putin's a stop if the mags had been transferred 659 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: and weapons had been transferred. Now since since the invasion, 660 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: I think generally he's been doing the right thing in 661 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: terms of arming and supplying the Ukrainians and rallying NATO 662 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: support all up. Sometimes it's NATO rallying support. We always 663 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: seem to be half a step behind. And I want 664 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: to ask you about election integrity because we got a 665 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: midterm coming up here. Democrats are not looking like they're 666 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: in a good spot. That's based on every poll that 667 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: anybody could point to and see. People still have very 668 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: intense feelings as you know about the last election, and 669 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: going forward, there should be some questions that are answered 670 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: about what either went wrong or could go wrong the 671 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: next time around? Went wrong that time could go wrong 672 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: the next time. What are the biggest challenges as you 673 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: see it, as the former Attorney General and somebody who 674 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: was right on the forefront of this issue, to an 675 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: election in this midterm that people can say it's not perfect, 676 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: but it's good enough that we can have full faith 677 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: in it. Well, I feel there are really two issues. 678 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: One issue is, and I stress this from my confirmation 679 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: hearing all the way through, we're very divided country. All 680 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: we have going for us is peaceful transfer of power 681 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: through elections, and if we lose confidence in that, we're 682 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: in a very bad spot. So everything has to be 683 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: done to ensure the integrity of the election. In my opinion, 684 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: the Democrats throughout the country have been reckless and irresponsible 685 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: because they essentially have been pushing for elections on the 686 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: honor system, and I believe we should have The fact 687 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: of the matter is, unless you have the system in 688 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: place at the time of the election, it's hard to 689 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: come back afterward and find the fraud and have a remedy. 690 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: And so I am all for stepping up all the 691 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: integrity measures we can stopping this idea that we should 692 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: roll back or dilute these measures, because if you do, 693 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: people won't have confidence in the election. Whether or not 694 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: you can prove fraud, they will not have confidence. Now, 695 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: as you know, on this particular election, I did not 696 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: see evidence, and I'm fairly confident that there was not 697 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: fraud at the level that would have affected the outcome 698 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: of the election. But that does not mean that we 699 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: should not step up all the efforts we can to 700 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: make sure they're they're fair. Speaking to former Attorney General 701 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Bill Barr. The book, one damn thing after another is 702 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: out and out those you want to hear or read, 703 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: rather more about what it was to be the attorney 704 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: general under President Trump, what he had to deal with. 705 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, because you came into 706 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: the center of the storm on Russia collusion. You came 707 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: in when that was already a maelstrom meant to harm 708 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: the Trump administration and every way possible, it is beyond 709 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: any doubt that this was rooted in lies, that this 710 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: was false intelligence laundered through the top reaches of the government. 711 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: And you know, we can't I can't get into everything 712 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: right now. People know, listening about all the things that 713 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: happened here, the media working with the deep state and 714 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: all this, are we ever going to get a full 715 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: accounting for what happened? In your mind? I know there's 716 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: still the Durham investigation under way. Is there something that 717 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: the American people should think at some point will really 718 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: know the full extent of what happened. Yes, I think 719 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: he will get to the bottom of what happened as 720 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: far as it's humanly possible to get the evidence and 721 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: lay it out for the American people. I mean, that's 722 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I was persuaded ultimately to come 723 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: in to the administration. I had been Attorney general before, 724 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: and it wasn't that attractive a proposition to me, to 725 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: be frank, but I felt we were heading toward a 726 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis. I was very skeptical of this whole Russia 727 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: Gate thing from the beginning, and what you say is right. 728 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: It was a dirty trick. It was a sham, and 729 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: I never felt there was a predication for investigating the 730 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: Trump campaign, And I felt very soon that the real 731 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: issue is how did this damn thing get started? And 732 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: that's why I pointed Durham to get to the bottom 733 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: of it. Now, you know, Durham didn't have the benefit 734 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: of the Inspector General's report until the end of twenty nineteen, 735 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: and then we had COVID, So it hasn't been as 736 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: fast as I wanted, and it's frustrating. But there's no 737 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind he'll get to the bottom of it, 738 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: and if there's charges to be brought, I think he'll 739 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: bring them. Was it even beyond your expectations as a 740 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: dirty trick? Once you were inside of government at the 741 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: top level of law enforcement? The Attorney General got to 742 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: see and experience and be around what was going on. 743 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: Then I think it's hard for people to imagine from 744 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: the outside what it must be like to be the 745 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: attorney general when there's essentially a soft coup attempt underway 746 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: from a collusion, a real collusion between the media, some 747 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: elements of the federal bureaucracy, and the Democrat Party and 748 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: the Hillary campaign all at once. That's right. You know, 749 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: I came in or you know, we had had eight 750 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: years of Obama administration and taking over an agency after that, 751 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: certainly the complexion of the agency had changed since the 752 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: last time when I took over after Reagan. But yeah, 753 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: I was shocked at at the at the lack of 754 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: basis for the FBI's action, And to me, it's an 755 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: explic belt. For example, you know, the dossier came from 756 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: somebody who had been suspected and investigated of being a 757 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: Russian agent, and that had never been resolved, and yet 758 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: they seemed to take the dossier and run with it, 759 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: never went back to check on it. So I was 760 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: shocked at the at the lack of basis for the 761 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: for the FBI's conduct. I just wondering if you have 762 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: any thoughts to somebody who knows the DC and federal, 763 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: uh legal and judiciary circuit quite well. Um nominee for 764 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,919 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, Katangie Brown Jackson, what do you think? 765 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: You know? I think she'll be just what the progressive 766 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: wing of the Democratic Party could hope for, everything they 767 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: could hope for in a nominee. She'll be very very 768 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: much over on the left. Is it kind of sad 769 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: to watch the Supreme Court becomes so I mean, people 770 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: are we say it's not political, and then they have 771 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: a political argument about it. Yeah, I don't think that's 772 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: I think it's un serious at this phase now to 773 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: pretend that it hasn't become at some level an instrument 774 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: of politics. Do you think we ever get back from that? Well, 775 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: I hope that the majority, the conservative majority, takes us 776 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: back from that. But you're right, that's where it was headed. 777 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: And I think that is essentially the view of the left, 778 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: which it's a super legislature that should, you know, take 779 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: their bearings from the zeitgeist and then post their will. 780 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: But I think that we have because of our conservative majority, 781 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: I think we can pull back from that. Former Attorney 782 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: General Bill Barr, the book One damn thing after another. 783 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: Go check it out for yourself. Bill, thanks so much 784 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: for being here. 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