1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump has sent out an 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: open invitation to primary Congressman Ship Roy despite the fact 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: that the filing deadline was in November. We have such 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: a great show today, Congressman and senecndidate Colin Allred stops 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: FID to talk about Greg Abbott's horrifying aggression towards Kecox. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Then we will talk to Congressman Jim Hines from the 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: great state of Connecticut about Speaker of the House Mike 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Johnson's incompetent rain over Congress. But first we have legendary 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: campaign manager and author of the Conspiracy to and America 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Five Ways my old Party is driving our democracy to autocracy, 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the Lincoln Project, Stuart Stevens. Welcome back to Fast Politics. 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Stuart Staves say for. 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: Asking me to the party. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: You're such a talented writer, but also you are so 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: incredibly sharp. All right, That's that's it. That's enough nice stuff. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to say to you, well, thank you, Molly. 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: Let's top campaign here, because you know what the fuck 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: is going on? What the fuck is going on? Republican 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: primary campaign. 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: Is that over Yes, there is I think a question 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: that people will ask, you know, in years to come, 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: was there a Republican primary. You know what's fascinating when 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: you look at these numbers, say, go to the real 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: clear politics average. Trump is performing like an incumbent president 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: would perform if he was being or she was being 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: challenged in a primary. He's not operating like a normal 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: candidate in a multi candidate field. A year ago, he 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: was operating like that. I mean, there was a Yahoo 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: News poll first week of January that had DeSantis and 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: Trump basically tied. Desantus is one point bond. He's now 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: somewhere in the sixties and Desantus has dropped to twelve 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: and falling. So somewhere along the line, Republican voters decided 35 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: that Trump was the incumbent and sort of tuned out 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: to the primary. And I don't think there's any question 37 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: Trump's going to win. Usually there's a bump in the. 38 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: Road along the way. 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: But when I look at these state numbers, Iowa, in Hampshire, 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: South Carolina, I think it looks like Trump is going 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: to win all three. 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that the fundamental problem with these Republican candidates, 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: was that they refuse to take on Trump because they 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: were scared of members. Is there more? Is it more complicated? 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: I think the fundamental problem for these candidates is that 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is giving Republican voters the most undistilled version 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 2: of what they want. Certainly, if you look at DeSantis, 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: he's sort of the Margarine Trump's butter. And why Margarine, 49 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: I mean they like the butter. Nikki Haley, you know, 50 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: it's fascinating. If you lead these numbers, you could say 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: she's improved her standing. She was at three percent in 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: like the Mama poll about five months ago. Now she's 53 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: a twelve percent. The problem is, as she goes up 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: in the polls, her favorables ratio to her unfavorables has shifted. 55 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: She was like forty points favorable to the good. She's 56 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: now like ten points. So what's happening is she's coalescing 57 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: the non maga element of the primary. She's not seen 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: as a maga candidate, and there's a ceiling to that. 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: So I just think it's a case where Trump is 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: giving Republican voters what they want in the most fun, vivid, 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: powerful way. 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: So let's talk about blood and soil. Is that what 63 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: Republican voters want? 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: I think the Republican Party has become predominant lee a 65 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: white grievance party, and the essence of that is racism. 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: And what Trump has done, I think is not made 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: people more racist. I think he has made it more 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: socially acceptable to be racist. There's a normalization going on 69 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: here that is extraordinarily troubling and dangerous. As many yourself 70 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: included have rightly noted, it's just staggering to think about it. Alu. So, 71 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: when I was coming up from the Republican Party, the 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: icon was ron Arago, right, So think about this. Ronald 73 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: Reagan announced in front of the Statue of Liberty his 74 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: last speech in office was an ode to immigrants. He 75 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: signed a bill that made everyone in the country before 76 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three legal. You can go on to you 77 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Tube if you want your mind blown, and you can 78 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: find still a clip from a debate in the primary 79 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty with George Bush in which they are 80 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: arguing who is more liberal on immigration. 81 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: It's a world that doesn't exist anymore, right. 82 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: It's a different universe. And certainly you know, when I 83 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: was working for Bush, people don't really know this because 84 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: it didn't really matter. But the actual first commercial that 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: we ever aired in the Bush primary campaign or presidential 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: campaign was running from the nomination and nineteen ninety nine 87 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: was in Iowa on Hispanic cable television because we thought 88 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: that it was important to send the signal that this 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: campaign was going to be different and there was going 90 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: to be an extraordinary effort to attract Hispanic voters. Now, 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: there's not many Hispanic voters who participate in the Iowa 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: primary Iowa Caulkish on the Republican's eye any probably not 93 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: in a difference, but we just thought it was it 94 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: meant something to us. I mean, I can remember going 95 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: to Iowa and doing this. We had a little press 96 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: conference saying I mainly remember because I was caught in 97 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: the snowstorm with Mark Melman and he kept talking on 98 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: a cell phone and someone in the back seat reached 99 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: it and grabbed it and threw it out the window 100 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: at which point, at which point Mark didn't really miss 101 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: a beat and just pulled out another phone and kept talking. 102 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: Wait, he had a second cell phone. 103 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: He had a second cell phone. It was a great moment. Yeah, 104 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: but that was how important we thought that it was 105 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: we failed certainly with African American voters. We acknowledged it 106 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: was a failure. And I think that's not unimportant. You know, 107 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: I remember that same Kin Milman went before the NAACP 108 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five and apologized for the Southern strategy. 109 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: That's the difference now of what has happened in this 110 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: moment is, you know, we've had plenty of hate movements 111 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: in America. We've had candidates of hate. You know, George 112 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: Wallace got unlike Ross Perow when he ran into an independent, 113 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: he actually got one electoral college vats, but they haven't 114 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: been endorsed by major party. You know, Father Coughlin never 115 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: won the republic nomination. Now that's happened, and it's a 116 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: legitimization of it. You know, when Chris Christie goes out 117 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: as he's done the last day or so and attacked 118 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Nicki Haley for being silent on this, what he's really doing, 119 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: Nikki haleyus is really a sort of stand in for 120 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: the party at large because the party is silent on it. 121 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: And you know, to me, it goes back to that 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: moment in twenty fifteen, almost exactly to this day. I 123 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: think it was December sixteenth where Trump came out for 124 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: a Muslim band, which is a religious test? What is 125 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: a religious test? I mean if I show up at 126 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: JFK and say, well, you know I was a Muslim, 127 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: but now I'm a Quaker, what are they going to do? 128 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: Ask me? Like trivia questions about William Tanny what it's 129 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: a religious test? And once the party accepts that as 130 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: they did, it truly is a straight line to where 131 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: we are now. 132 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: So that blood and soil rad is that just you know, 133 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: he knows that he's never going to win the medal, 134 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: but he's got to get like, you know, people who 135 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: don't vote out there to vote, and this is the 136 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: way he thinks he's going to do it? Or is 137 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: there something I'm missing here? 138 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: You know, it's a fascinating question because you know, in 139 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: the Romney campaign in twenty twelve, you could look at 140 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: poles and see that there was a percentage of low 141 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: frequency white voters who couldn't have cared less about what 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: we were talking about, a smaller, smarter government, or Russia 143 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: or the capital gains tax. I mean, they're gonna they 144 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: cared more about like who was finishing first in like 145 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: you know, an Indian polo league. But you could see 146 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: that if you went out there in the wave the 147 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: bloody shirt on immigration or race or any of those 148 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: sort of grievance issues related to race, that this would 149 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: appeal to him. Now, I think people have a much 150 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: better sense of who Mit Romney is now, and you know, 151 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: you know if you're going to the Mitt Romney's officers 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: suggested that you would have walked out without a job. 153 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: But I would have bet you at the time that 154 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: whatever you've gained at those low frequency voters, you would 155 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: have lost a greater number of college educated voters, which 156 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: is exactly the question you're asking here, which was happening 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: in sixteen right up until the Coming Letter. Once the 158 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: Colly letter came out, he won just enough of those 159 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: and then in twenty those same voters, which are the 160 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: voters that the Lincoln Project was focused on in his 161 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: focus zone, these gown salts Republicans, some moderate Democrats, they 162 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: went back to Boden, which makes sense. Usually the last 163 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: to join a campaign at the first to leave, which 164 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: makes sense. You have the most doubts, you can be 165 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: the most easily persuaded to leave, and that's going to 166 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: be a key factor. Is Boden going to be able 167 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: to hold these voters? I don't know why we don't 168 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: talk about this enough, but you know, you have to 169 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: ask yourself how many Boden twenty voters are there who 170 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: are likely to be Trump twenty four voters. I don't 171 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: think there's many. 172 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. I think the question 173 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: is more like, is it going to suppress the turnout? 174 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: And we don't know yet. 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: We don't. I worked in campaigns and people would ask me, 176 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: are you worried about I would just stop them there 177 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 2: and say, yes, whatever, you're worried. 178 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: About anything everything, Rather turn outity exactly I have worried about. 179 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: But I find it's extraordinary statistic and twenty Biden's best 180 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: group by age was under twenty five voters. He won 181 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: them by eleven points. There are a lot more of 182 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: those voters entering the marketplace than there were before, and 183 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot more of older voters leaving the marketplace, 184 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: which are more Trump voters. They are typically more Republican voters. 185 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: I need a lot of ways Trump performed as a 186 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: normal Republican candidate. The only economic group that he won 187 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: in twenty was those who make over one hundred thousand 188 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: dollars a year. 189 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: That's a very. 190 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 2: Republican number, and I think that there has been a 191 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: conspirac ceo silence with the donor class that would once 192 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: a Republican elected. They don't like Trump. I think they 193 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: don't like Trump more for reasons of class and his crudeness. 194 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, they really don't want to president. The news 195 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: is in public about having sex with his daughter. But 196 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: if that's what it takes to get, you know, other 197 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: things that they want, Okay, fine whatever, I'm not going 198 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: to invite into the House. One ding this primary has 199 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: given us is a market test. I mean, you have 200 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: Chris Christie out there offering a very different view of 201 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: the party with direct criticism of Trump. And that's why 202 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: I think it's important to Christie stay in. I see 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: all this, Christie should get out. I think it's really 204 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: important to stay in because at the end of the day, 205 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: you need to be able to look at this and say, 206 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: these voters had an alternative, how many took it? And 207 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: I worked for Chris Christie in both these races. I 208 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: love the guy. I was disappointed, to say the least 209 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: did he endorse Trump, but you know, he's not going 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: to be the Revogan nominee. You'll get, at the end 211 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: of the day, close to what Bill Well got former 212 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: got Massachusetts when he primaried Trump and twenty which people 213 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: have even forgotten happened, and he ended up with like 214 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: twelve percent. 215 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen with 216 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, with Biden's reelect, because there's a lot 217 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: riding on it right, a lot like this could be 218 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: the do you want to have elections anymore? Election? Yes, 219 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: which seems very likely. You have run a lot of campaigns, 220 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: many have won, some have lost. What do you think 221 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: Joe Biden needs to be doing. 222 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: I am a great admirer of the Biden campaign. I 223 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: think that what they did in twenty is underappreciated. You know, 224 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: not to get too far in the weeds, but after Watergate, 225 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: we went to federal funding of presidential general elections, which 226 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: meant that each candidate got the exact same amount of 227 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: money if they voluntarily opted into the system and agreed 228 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: not to raise or spend more money. And you know, 229 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 2: it's around eighty million dollars. You literally got it after 230 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: you gave your acceptance speech. And walked off the stage. 231 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: There was someone there from the Treasury Department that had 232 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: a chip, and we would always go like, well, can 233 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: you wire this? No, we do chicks. We do chips, 234 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: which is why we started having conventions later and later, 235 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: because you're going to get the same amount of money 236 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: and you have a more compact amount of time to 237 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: spend it in. So Barack Obama two thousand and eight 238 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: opted out of that system. McCain stayed in it, so 239 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: you had one candidate in the system. Barack Obama spent 240 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: about three hundred and seventy million in the general McCain 241 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: spent eighty million. Then Romney was the first time both 242 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: candidates had been out of the federal funding system that 243 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: allowed them to raise unlimited money, and they both spent 244 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: over a billion dollars. So it's fair to ask who 245 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: was the last incumbent president who was not in the 246 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: federal funding system which did level the playing field because 247 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: both candidates had the same amount of money. Carter lost 248 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: under that system, Bush lost under that sist But when 249 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: both candidates had unlimited money that they could raise, who 250 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: was the last incumba president to lose? And the answer 251 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: to Herbert Hoover and he had a bad year. So 252 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: say what you will about Donald Trump, it was an 253 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: incumbent president with the ability to raise unlimited money in 254 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: the bod campaign became the first campaign to beat somebody 255 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: like that's Interbret Hoove. Yeah, and I think that's pretty 256 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: damn impressive. They reinvented the convention with their virtual convention. 257 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: I want you to come along with me on something 258 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with. You're going to play along with me here? 259 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: What if poles are all wrong? 260 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think the polls are all wrong in the 261 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: sense that if you're looking at them as predictive, I mean, 262 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: I think basically these poles are asking would you like 263 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: a different alternative? And who in the world is going 264 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: to say noted that? I you know, when's the last 265 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: time they sold cars with Look, nothing's changed since last year. 266 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: It's just as good. It's always new. We're addicted to 267 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: new news, the most powerful word in advertising. My prediction 268 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: is Biden's going to win by larger margin than he 269 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: gave in twenty and it's going to be an easier 270 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: can't that Yeah? 271 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: I think that too. We might both be wrong, but 272 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: luckily we will if we're both wrong. We'll make Jesse 273 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: pull this episode. Jesse note this episode, so then we're 274 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: both wrong. 275 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: We can pull this when we're applying for asylum. 276 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Right when we're applying for I'll bring this with me. 277 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: I agree the recordity. 278 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: Thank you, Jes. You for sure when. 279 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: We're trying to get into Portugal, we will, Stuart Stevens 280 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: and I will be like, we were not right. 281 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: You must understand, Molly Donvich. It's a huge audience, so 282 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: we went out and said this. 283 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Stuh, one of them will feel bad for us. Stuart Stevens, 284 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: you are the best. I really appreciate you. I hope 285 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: you'll come back. 286 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm like the crazy uncle of Thanksgiving dinner. 287 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Don't don't invite me if you don't want me to come, 288 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: because I will. 289 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: Congressman Colin Alred represents Texas's thirty second district and is 290 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: a candidate for the United States Senate in the Great 291 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: State of Texas. He is running against Ted Cruz, who 292 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: no one likes. Welcome back to fast politics, Colin. 293 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. 294 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: You running against Ted Cruz for the Senate, Great State 295 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: of Texas. Shit's going down. In Texas. Yeah, talk to 296 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: me about the Kate Cox case. She was nineteen weeks 297 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: pregnant when she filed. She just had all of the 298 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: things that Republicans claimed would work for an exception in 299 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: the state of Texas, an abortion exception, except none of 300 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: those things worked. 301 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, it's an incredibly tragic story, really, 302 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: and it's one that you know, for me is I 303 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: guess personal. You know, my wife and I have a 304 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: four or two year old. We have a lot of 305 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: friends who have young children. We can all imagine a 306 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: scenario where, you know, mother or two has a wanted 307 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: third pregnancy that has something go terribly wrong, and her 308 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: doctor says that she needs a medically necessary abortion. She's 309 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: had to go to the emergency four times, and she's 310 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: had to petition her state for the right to get 311 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 3: access to care close to home, probably so that she 312 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: can be near her one in three year old. And 313 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: instead of having an attorney general in a state that 314 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: actually tries to help her through this crisis, as she's 315 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: forced to flee the state. It's tragic for us as 316 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: a state because it hammers hold it. This is what 317 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 3: a total ban on abortion looks like. Is that it 318 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: sweeps in stories like this, and the impact for us 319 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: is going to be have so many ripple effects if 320 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: we can't do something about it. The good news is 321 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: we can at the federal level. We can restore Roe v. 322 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: Wade through legislation. Texas is not going to change the 323 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: state government is not going to repeal their or change 324 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 3: their abortion law. The Supreme Court made that clear. But 325 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: we can at the federal level restore the same rights 326 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: that we've had for the last fifty years. If we 327 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: can have a Senate that's going to do it, I've 328 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: got to to pass it in the House. When I'm 329 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: in the Senate, we'll get it done. 330 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: But you could see a world where a normal senator 331 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: goes in there and tells Ken paxt to shut the 332 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: fuck up, excuse my French. The story with Ken Paxson 333 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: is his power is completely unchecked at the state level. 334 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: It is, but also he's politically allies with Ted Cruz. 335 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: They are in this effort together to push these extreme 336 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: policies and to push our state into this extreme place. 337 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: Cruz supported him recently in his impeachment hearings when he 338 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: should have been removed by the state Senate. I think 339 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: the State House, on a bipartisan basis, led by Republicans, 340 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: brought forward a number of incredibly troubling charges. The state 341 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 3: Senate decided basically along for political reasons, to keep him, 342 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: and now he feels empowered. This is this kind of 343 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: a cabal of extremist leadership that has put our state 344 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: in this incredibly warped reality where women in our state 345 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 3: have fewer rights where you have counties and cities. Today 346 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: Amarello City Council is sitting down to decide whether or 347 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: not to ban travel through Amarillo if it's for access 348 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: to an abortion, if counties that have already ban that, 349 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: and saying that you know you can't travel through our 350 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: county if you're going to try and use it for 351 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: access to abortion. So when you combine this total ban 352 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: with these laws, you start to turn Texas women into 353 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: prisoners in their own state. And I can tell you this, Molly, Texas, 354 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: that's not who Texans are. We are we want to 355 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: be left alone. We have a long history of that 356 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: of being kind of leave me alone state. I let 357 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: me chase, you know, my version of the American dream, 358 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: and get out of my way. But this extreme situation 359 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: that we're in is that the result of decades of 360 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 3: folks like Ted Cruz have been pushing for this, and 361 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: that's why we have to beat him in the next election. 362 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: What do you say about people who you know are like, 363 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a shot. 364 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's just not true. Yeah, I understand that, you know, 365 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: sort of the skepticism. I guess you could say. Number one, 366 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: As a state, we are incredibly diverse, dynamic. We've been 367 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: growing so rapidly. We are in a place where we're 368 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: ready for to get rid of some of these extreme 369 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: politicians like Ted Cruz. But also just our recent elections 370 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: have shown that we're right basically in the same position 371 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 3: as Arizona and Georgia Ward before they got breakthroughs now 372 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: it happened at Our challenge in Texas has been that 373 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: we had over nine million textams that didn't vote in 374 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: the last selection. You know, as a voting rights lawyer 375 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: before I came to Congress, that's something that's always been 376 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: near and dear to my heart. It is difficult to 377 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: vote in our sabe, but that's not the only reason 378 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: that the number is where it is. It's also that 379 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: too many folks have decided that it's nothing that can 380 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 3: change in their lives. We're not going to be a 381 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: part of make our voice heard in this democracy. And 382 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: we have to make sure in the selection that we 383 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 3: empower those folks to make sure that they understand that 384 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: I'll be a senator for them too and for our state. 385 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: We really are at a tipping point if we can 386 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: continue down this extreme path. I'm already hearing from business leaders, 387 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: from university leaders who are concerned that's harder for us 388 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: as a state to recruit and retain top talent when 389 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: folks feel like they're going to have fewer rights, or 390 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: when they feel like if they have a complication in 391 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: their pregnancy that the Texas Supreme Court is going to 392 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: tell them that there's nothing they can do. 393 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: You also are losing doctors. Will you talk about that 394 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: a little bit? 395 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: Well, this is a real problem for us. We already 396 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: have serious issues around maternal mortality and internal health. We 397 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 3: have huge health deserts in parts of our say, with 398 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: a number of rural hospitals that have been closing in 399 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: recent years because of our extremely high uninsured rate. We 400 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 3: have the heist and insured rate in the country. We 401 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: are already seeing that this is going to have an 402 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: impact on particularly obgyns who may choose to practice somewhere 403 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: else or to not bring their practice to Texas, or 404 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: do not study medicine in Texas, and the long term 405 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: impacts for us could be incredibly impactful. And we have 406 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: to make sure that we go back to this Saturday 407 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: we've had for the last fifty years because my wife 408 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: and I have had two babies in Sexus in the 409 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: last five years. Robi who delivered in both of our boys. 410 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: You know, she's a friend and feels like part of 411 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: the family in some ways. You know, these are deeply 412 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 3: personal decisions that doctors need to be making in consultation 413 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: with their the women who are actually going to be 414 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: doing this. And you know, I can't imagine if at 415 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: one of our appointments if the doctor had come in 416 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: and said, you know, there's a problem with the baby, 417 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: but there's a problem with the pregnancy, but there's nothing 418 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: I can do to help you. You're going have to 419 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: go somewhere else and maybe find someone else to care 420 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: for you. That would have been so difficult to deal 421 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 3: with when you're already dealing with so many other things 422 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: going through a pregnancy, especially if you're already a parent, 423 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 3: and it's just heartbreaking. And this is what the reality 424 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: is that we're facing now in Texas is that there 425 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: are lots of physicians who are looking at our state 426 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: or here now, or who maybe you're training in our 427 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: excellent medical schools like at eut Southwestern in my area 428 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: or Bail or Baylor, who are deciding whether or not 429 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: this is where they want to be, whether or not 430 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: they want to have the potential liability of a felony, 431 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: prison time, civil penalties if they do what they think 432 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: is necessary. 433 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: Texas is such a big state, it's not so easy 434 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: just to leave. I mean, New Mexico has abortion. But 435 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: also there is some question about whether or not I 436 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: mean SBA does have a bounty system in it right. 437 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: Well, we have a total abortion ban that was a 438 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: trigger band that went in place, and then the bounty 439 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: that you're referring to is civil penalties that basically any 440 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: person can bring litigation against anyone who aids in a 441 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 3: bets or is a part of someone getting access to 442 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 3: an abortion and it's created effectively bounty on Texas women. 443 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: And when you combine that with the criminal penalties that 444 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: have been put in place, that the Attorney General was 445 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 3: threatening the hospitals involved in Kate Cox's situation with then 446 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: you create an overlapping system of both criminal and civil 447 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: penalties that would basically let us to have abortion band 448 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: in all cases, almost no exceptions for rape, incest, the 449 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 3: extremely narrow exception of the life of the mother, which 450 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: the Texas Supreme Court just said apparently didn't apply to 451 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: Kate even though she had to go to the emergency 452 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: room four times and her doctor said this was medically 453 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: necessary for her to do. And it's created an atmosphere 454 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: of fear. It's created an atmosphere in which Texas women 455 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 3: are honestly targets in our state, and which activists may 456 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: try and find someone to make an example of. And 457 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: it's deeply un American. It is such government overreach. It's 458 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: almost like blows your mind even think about that. It's 459 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: reality in the state of Texas right now. You have 460 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: politicians and lawyers, not doctors, determining what's the best path 461 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: way forward for women's health and their fellow Texans can 462 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: use the civil law to basically target them if they 463 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: do somehow get access to the care that they need. 464 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 3: With huge finds and so you turn the state into 465 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: a state of informants potentially, and we've seen that before 466 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: in history and other countries, but never really in our country. 467 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 3: We have to have a response to it, and the 468 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: only response that we can have that I can see 469 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: is that at the federal level, because as I said, 470 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 3: our state is not going to change this law. We 471 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: have to restore ro vway through legislation. We've passed it 472 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: in the House, and in my time in the House, 473 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: we couldn't get it through the Senate when I beat 474 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 3: ted Cruz, and I'm in the United States Senate. We 475 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: will restore row and go back to the statard that 476 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: we've had for the last fifty years, and that will 477 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: supersede what's going on in Texas. 478 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: Here you are, in Texas. You have a governor who 479 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: has such a complicated relationship with the law right and 480 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: then he gets away with it. Do you think he 481 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: is involved on from us? 482 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: Well? I think that they are embolden at the moment. 483 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 3: But I also think that they've overreached dramatically and that 484 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: they have sown the seeds of their own downfall. This 485 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: is not who Texas is. I'm a four generation Texan. 486 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 3: I was born and raised in Dallas by a single mother. 487 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: I went to Baylor. I was captain the football team there. 488 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: My family's from Brownsville. My mom and my aunt and 489 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: uncle went to school at ut University of Texas in Austin. 490 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: I think I know who we are, and this is 491 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: not who we are. We're not a state where we 492 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: believe that you should have your neighbors telling you what 493 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: you can and can't do with your body, or that 494 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: politicians know better than your doctor does. And I think 495 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 3: we're going to respond to this, but we have to 496 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 3: do it as a state, and we need anyone out 497 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: there who thinks that this is not who we are 498 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: as Americans as well to get involved. And I ask 499 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: you to go to Colin Allread dot com and help 500 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 3: us make sure that we can beat ted Cruz. He 501 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: is the most vulnerable Republican senator in the country. We 502 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: can and should beat them here and we will. 503 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: You guys, registering voters, I mean, I feel like that's 504 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: such a crucial part of this. 505 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think that this is an ongoing 506 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: project for us in Texas and it's part of our campaign. 507 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: It's part of a number of efforts to register voters yes, 508 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 3: but we have a lot of voters who are registered 509 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 3: to aren't turning out. We have to help them overcome 510 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: those kind of initial hurdles. And I was in my 511 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: voting rights practice in Texas. I would often come across 512 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: people who wanted to vote, but who just it just 513 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: seemed kind of daunting because so many overlapping laws that 514 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: make it seem like if you do something wrong that 515 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: you might get caught up in the criminal justice system. 516 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: And you're already trying to avoid that because if some 517 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: man of the other things going on in your life 518 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 3: and so you decide just, you know what, I'm just 519 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 3: not going to vote, like honestly, I just don't want 520 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: to deal with the whole problem. It's that voter who 521 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: we can help and who our volunteers can help, and 522 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: who honestly, the resources that our campaign is going to 523 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: pull together can help, because it's that voter who wants 524 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: to be involved in in their democracy but just needs 525 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: a little bit of help that we can we can 526 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 3: get out in this election, and it's already a close election. 527 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: Our margin is going to come from folks who you 528 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: are Republicans, but who say, you know, I'm Republican, but 529 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of Republican and this is not 530 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: who I am. I certainly was elected by folks like 531 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 3: that in Dallas. That's up the seat that have been 532 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: held for twenty two years by a Republican congressman who 533 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: was thought to be unbeatable. A lot of George W. 534 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: Bush voters voted for me, but also for those folks who, 535 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 3: as I said, who just need a little bit of 536 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: help to overcome what seems like a daunting system that's 537 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 3: not set up for them. And that's our project in Texas, 538 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: not only in this election but over the coming decades. 539 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: But we can do it here, and when we have 540 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: this breakthrough, I think it will lead to many others. 541 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: Such an important point is there a chance to get 542 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: abortion on the ballot here? I mean, you know, when 543 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: you're going from district to district, what are you seeing? 544 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what are Texans telling you? 545 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 3: Number One, Unfortunately, we can't have a ballid initiative directly 546 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: in Texas, so only the legislature can do that, and 547 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: that's not going to be lots yeah in this election. Yeah, 548 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 3: but you know, as I said, that's why it's so 549 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: important that we win here in this center race. Because 550 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: I do believe that we'll have pro choice majority. And 551 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: what I mean by that is I include folks like 552 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 3: Susan Collins and Lisa Rokowski who say that you know 553 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: their pro choice well, you know, let's give them some 554 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 3: more votes in the Senate for to restore the system 555 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: that we had for the last half century. And at 556 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: the federal level, we can in this kind of balkanization 557 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 3: of rights that's going on in our country right now. 558 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 3: We're in some states you have many fewer rights, especially 559 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: if you're a woman, than you do in others, based 560 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: on whatever the legislature in that state says. That's what 561 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: we have to do, I think, is to go back 562 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: to the center that we had before the Supreme Court, 563 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: you know, a returned a row and set off this 564 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: cycle of you know, really cruelty in states like Texas. 565 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: And so that's the message. We have to make sure 566 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 3: folks understand that this is the direct way to do this, 567 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: that this is the direct way for us to restore 568 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: reproductive rights in Texas and across the country. It's for 569 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: us to have a pority of folks in the kigrists 570 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: who will vote to really just go back to what 571 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: was basically the Americans that is quote for the last 572 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: half century, and to end this kind of competition that 573 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: somebody states are having to see who could be the 574 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: most cruel, who can go the farthest, And that will 575 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: help Texans, it will help Americans all across the country 576 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: or in states that are pursuing this. 577 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: Such a good point. Do you think that voters are 578 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: tired of Republicans fighting with each other because we're seeing 579 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: so much of that in the Texas State House, but 580 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: also with Trump trying to primary Chip Roy. 581 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this has become an ongoing 582 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: this theme in Texas, you know, kind of the saga 583 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 3: of Republicans fighting each other in many ways. It kind 584 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: of came to a head with the impeachment of the 585 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: attorney general, who was impeached on completely defensible and you know, 586 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: I think incredibly solid grounds impeachments that were led by Republicans, 587 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: a bout the Republican attorney general about his abuse of power, 588 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: about his abuse of the public trust, and because of 589 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: political reasons, the state Senate decide not to do the 590 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: right thing. And I think Texans are tired of being embarrassed. 591 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: I think they're tired of being embarrassed by these extreme 592 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: politicians who are making us look like a state that 593 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: is as extreme as they are at the national level, 594 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: and we're not. But also, you know, this is a 595 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: state of thirty million people, with four of the largest 596 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: metro areas and the fastest growing metro areas in the 597 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 3: country in Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston Metro, San Antonio, and Austin. 598 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: One of the fastest growing, biggest cities in the country, 599 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: drawing in the biggest companies in the world, and that 600 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: you know, trying to recruit and bring in the top 601 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: talent from around the world to stay here and to 602 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: help us grow our economy here. And this is a 603 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 3: direct threat to all of that. When you are one 604 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: of those companies, whether you're if you're match dot com, 605 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: which is headquartered in Dallas and was in my district, 606 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: and you're trying to bring in the top programmers and 607 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: coders from around the world so that you can continue 608 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: to lead the way in like you know, basically the 609 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 3: online you know space. It's harder to do that when 610 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: you have a law like this in place, and so 611 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: this has so many other ripple effects from you know, yes, 612 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: Kate Conx and her family also to the OBGS at Baylor, 613 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 3: where my wife and I delivered our two boys out 614 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: to you know, the biggest companies you know in our 615 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: country basically that are now saying, well, always Texas the 616 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: right place for us to be. How are we going 617 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: to continue to have the workforce and the talent that 618 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: we need to our university system, which is one of 619 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: the best in the country. The eut system is a 620 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: crown jewel here in our state, and a lot of 621 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: professors are looking to leave. We've had articles written about how, 622 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: you know, anonymous surveys have shown them many of them 623 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: are considering leaving. You know, this has so many ripple effects, 624 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: so we have to have a response as a state 625 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: of who we actually are. And our problem is that 626 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: our electorate hasn't always been what our state is, and 627 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: that's what we have to try and address. 628 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Colin. I hope you'll come back. 629 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Mali. Thanks for covering it for folks 630 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: out there. Please go to Colin Allread dot com and 631 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: get involved with US. 632 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Jim Has represents Connecticut's fourth congressional district. Welcome back 633 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Congressman Jim Mind. 634 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. 635 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: So you guys are out, the Senate is in. There 636 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: is supposedly a border security Ukraine, Taiwan Israel aid package 637 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: being negotiated in the Senate, but it's probably not being 638 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean, is this disarray. 639 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's worth unpacking all of that stuff. Right. 640 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 4: Israel aid would get done very easily as a standalone. 641 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: I mean, the only reason they got hiccuped in the 642 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 4: House was because the speaker, being too cute by half, 643 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 4: decided that he would pair the fifteen billion aid package 644 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 4: to Israel with that money coming from President Biden's initiative 645 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 4: to fund the IRS to go after tax chiefs, so 646 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 4: the Israel piece would sail on the other extreme half. 647 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: The Republicans in the House don't want to continue to 648 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 4: assist Ukraine, so they have a whole bunch of protextual 649 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 4: objections and their total pretext, which is, oh, we want 650 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: to audit this stuff, we want to know what the 651 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: strategy is. That's all baloney. They're cow twing to Donald Trump, 652 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 4: at least most of them are, and therefore they've paired it. 653 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 4: You know, the possibility of Ukraine aid with the single 654 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: hardest thing that the Congress could try to do, which 655 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 4: is immigration policy. I know whereof I speak right, because 656 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 4: we haven't passed an immigration bill in decades. 657 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are in Congress, you have been in the 658 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: House for a long time. I think of you as 659 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: sort of someone who knows what's going on. You have 660 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: this speaker. He is was, you know, number four or 661 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: five in leadership. He got this job after nine years 662 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: in the House, like he had a lot of goodwill 663 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: for about a week. How do you solve a problem 664 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: like the Freedom Caucus. 665 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: I think I know the answer to that question. The 666 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 4: problem is it's never been tried, right. So Bayner goes down, 667 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 4: Paul Ryan goes down, Kevin McCarthy goes down, and Nowson 668 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 4: is facing exactly the same pressures, which is the Freedom 669 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 4: Caucus want everything done their way and they want the 670 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 4: outcomes their way. We saw this last week, and when 671 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 4: they don't get that, it's the classic my way or 672 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 4: the highway. So I think I know the answer to 673 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 4: your question. And I'm super intrigued that Kevin McCarthy never 674 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 4: sort of went down this path. And the reason I 675 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 4: think I know what the answer the question is because 676 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: look at the National Defense Authorization Act that we passed 677 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: last week massive bill funding the Pentagon and lots of 678 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 4: other stuff. And look at the budget deals that got done, 679 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 4: they continue your resolutions. They all get done with more 680 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: Democratic votes than with Republican votes in a Republican majority Congress. 681 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 4: And so the answer to your question, Molly, is that 682 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 4: you build a structure that isolates the Freedom Caucus. You know, 683 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 4: you do a deal with Hakeem Jefferies and just do 684 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: it up front instead of waiting for the vote to 685 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 4: come up. And you say, look, I need forty or 686 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 4: fifty of your guys to protect me from a motion 687 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 4: to vacate, which is really easy to do. And we're 688 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 4: going to negotiate these bills so that the inevitable outcome 689 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 4: is sort of dealt with upfront, which is lots of 690 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: Democrats will help me isolate the Freedom Caucus. And what 691 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 4: that results in, Molly, I think is a functional bipartisan 692 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 4: Congress in which the speaker lasts to the end of 693 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 4: the Congress, not to beyond, but to the end of 694 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 4: the Congress. 695 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense bill was really interesting. I mean, were 696 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: you guys able to get the transit bill pass? 697 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: No? 698 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: So does that run out on December thirty, first. 699 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Senate's working away at it now, and I 700 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 4: forget the exact sequence. 701 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: Won't that have to come up to the House. 702 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 4: So I think that's right. Yeah, I mean we did 703 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 4: pass the bills. I honestly, I've sort of forgotten the 704 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 4: sequence here. We did pass a bill gosh months ago now, 705 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 4: and I think the Senate's working out so I think 706 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 4: we'll be okay there. Look, they're the issue FAA, right, 707 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 4: the Freedom Caucus, they don't weigh in. 708 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: Well, they would if they could. I mean, don't you 709 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: think the fundamental problem here with the Freedom Caucus is 710 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: that they want desperately to end the federal government, and 711 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: so any kind of legislation is infuriating to them. 712 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 2: Exactly. 713 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 4: They have a vision of the federal government that is 714 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 4: sort of an eighteen forty vision, you know, guard the borders, 715 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 4: collects and customs fees, and that's it. And it's part 716 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 4: of the Republican Party problem, writ Lar inasmuch as today's 717 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 4: Republican Party has an ideology and it doesn't really right. 718 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: It's whatever Trump wants. We know that because in the 719 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: last you know, Republican convention to nominate Trump, they said, 720 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 4: you know, whatever he wants we're not doing a platform. 721 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 4: The problem that they face is inasmuch as American Republicans 722 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 4: have an ideology, it's deeply unpopular, right, I mean, case 723 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 4: in point, they spent fifty years trying to reverse Roe v. 724 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 4: Wade because they had to put it back in the 725 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 4: question of abortion. What they thought was this massively controversial question, 726 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 4: we need to put it back in the hands of 727 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 4: the people. Well, look at what happens when you put 728 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 4: it back in the hands. 729 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: Of the people. 730 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 4: Ohio and Kansas, two of the red estates on the planet, 731 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: past constitutional amendments, you know, allowing for abortion. And I 732 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 4: don't even need to get into the policy of you know, 733 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 4: cutting the taxes of the enormously wealthy. You know, they 734 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 4: they want deeply, deeply unpopular things, which is why more 735 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 4: and more they're getting away from a democracy that listens 736 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 4: to the voices of people in favor of deeply non majoritarian, 737 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 4: not to say undemocratic things like the United States Senate, 738 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 4: like the Supreme Court, you know, like legislatures overwriting you know, 739 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 4: the votes of the people, et cetera. 740 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: Right, there's a headline today in Politico about how what 741 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: they're doing now is trying to keep abortion off the 742 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: ballot because they know that that is a thing that 743 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: galvanizes voters, just like Karl Rove did with gay marriage 744 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. This is sort of a 745 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: they know what they're into is unpopular. So I'm curious 746 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: now we're you're in the house. You have have a 747 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: vibes based impeachment going. Let's talk about this vibes based impeachment. 748 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: There's no incident right the ideas. There's sort of a 749 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: vague feeling that they are mad about Hunter Biden's Carlan. 750 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: What is happening with impeachment. 751 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 4: Well, it's one more example of a syndrome. And I 752 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 4: mentioned this before, which is Donald Trump controlling the puppet strings. 753 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 4: Donald Trump said there will be an impeachment, so lo 754 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 4: and behold, there will be an impeachment. Donald Trump said, 755 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 4: cut Ukraine off, and so low and behold. They're doing 756 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 4: everything they can to cut Ukraine off. And I see 757 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 4: this dynamic every day, Molly, and it's fascinating. It takes 758 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 4: me back to a line from the West Wing. I 759 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 4: think it was where some French revolutionary says to another 760 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 4: French revolutionary, we must go see where the people are going. 761 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 4: So that we may lead them. And Republicans in Congress 762 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 4: today are hostage to their MAGA base because Donald Trump 763 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 4: goes on Oan or Fox News and says Ukraine is 764 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 4: a corrupt country full of Nazis. Don't fund them, and 765 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 4: reasonable and unreasonable Republicans go back to their districts and 766 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 4: face people who say with, you know, the utter fantasies 767 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. And instead of being leaders, instead of 768 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 4: saying what John McCain said when that woman in the 769 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 4: debates said Barack Obama is a Muslim and John McCain said, no, man, 770 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 4: he's you know, he's not, He's a good man. Not 771 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 4: one Republican will do that in the face of Donald 772 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 4: Trump today. And so what happens is they sort of 773 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 4: urge it along. They urge along the lies like maybe 774 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 4: that twenty twenty election was subject to all sorts of irregularities, 775 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 4: and then they come back to DC and have the 776 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 4: gall to say, my constituents have concerned. That should be 777 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 4: the bumper sticker motto of House Republicans. My constituents have concerned. 778 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 4: Of course they do, because you don't tell them that 779 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 4: they're you know, that they are in a fever dream 780 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 4: fantasy about the twenty twenty election. You know, you name 781 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 4: it right. 782 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: So there are eighteen Republicans who are in Biden districts, 783 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: many from New York because New York Democratic Party absolutely 784 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: shit the bed during the twenty twenty two election cycle 785 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: and fucked up and lost five seeds. And that happening 786 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: in California too. So there are these sixteen Republicans who 787 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: really are not in safe seats. They have all had 788 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: to vote to impeach Biden to start an impeachment inquiry 789 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: on vibes. Do you think that this wins Democrats back 790 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: the House or do you think that we're just so 791 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: in the post truth world that nobody ever knows. 792 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 4: You hit the dynamic on the head there. You know, 793 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 4: those eighteen Republicans in Biden districts who have been forced 794 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 4: to go along with the Freedom Caucus. They're in a 795 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 4: very tenuous position. And again they had this whole song 796 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 4: and dance about how, oh well, this is just an 797 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 4: impeachment inquiry. This just gives us the powers to get 798 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 4: the subpoenas that we need to get at the facts. 799 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 4: And you're absolutely right. Before remember when we when Donald 800 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 4: Trump first got impeached before the impeachment inquiry began. We 801 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 4: had the transcript of a phone call in which Donald 802 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 4: Trump tells the president Zelenski, give me dirt on Biden. 803 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 2: Or I will not send you eight. 804 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 4: I mean, right out of a mafia movie. Right. We 805 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 4: add that, We add that, and of course, you know, 806 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 4: unless you are a high priest in the cult of 807 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, you know what many Republican House members and 808 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 4: even more senators are saying, which is, you've encovered no 809 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 4: evidence yet. 810 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: Right. When you think about the idea of an impeachment, 811 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: you had times where was the offense impeachable? Impeachable? Was 812 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: the question? Right? Like with Clinton? Is lying about Saxon? 813 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: Impeachable offense? Right? And and the answer was, if you're 814 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: a nut Gangridge, yes, except when it's actually new cankereage, 815 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: in which case it's now. But he was never president. 816 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: But this is a case in which there is no offense, right, 817 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: So it's a question of can you and teach someone 818 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: just because the former president told you to exactly? 819 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 4: And again that's the underlying dynamic, and we all get confused. 820 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 4: Sixty court cases turned back when the Trump people and 821 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 4: Giuliani tried to overturn the election in court. You know, 822 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 4: without exception, courts laughed them out of court. Zero evidence 823 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 4: for Joe Biden, you know, having in any corrupt way 824 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 4: been involved with Hunter Biden. But those facts don't matter. 825 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 4: It's liturgical, right, It's liturgical in MAGA that Biden is 826 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 4: the head of a massive crime family that makes the 827 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 4: Sopranos look like a priesthood. Whatever Donald Trump says. And 828 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 4: you and I both know that ninety five percent of 829 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 4: what Donald Trump says is made up out of whole cloth. 830 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 4: But that becomes liturgical truth. And so most Republicans in 831 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 4: the House, because that magabase, though it is percentage wise small, 832 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 4: is how you lose a primary. They need to bow 833 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 4: and cow tew and shuffle and oh well, my constituents 834 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 4: have concerns, etc. 835 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: Because I listened to the c SPAN podcast, I've become 836 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: one of the more boring people on this earth. But 837 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: I did hear Mike Johnson saying, when he was trying 838 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: to convince other Republicans to vote for this insanity, that 839 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: it was their constitutional duty to open this impeachment inquiry. 840 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: Did you hear this? And what do you think about 841 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: this idea of sort of using then of confusing other 842 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: Republicans about what the Constitution says as a possible play 843 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: for Mike Johnson. 844 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 4: It's all, you know, rationalization, right, I mean, two hundred 845 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 4: and forty years of history, we've never had an impeachment inquiry, 846 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 4: you know, opened with absolutely no evidence. And by the way, 847 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 4: I mean, shoot, it was all of what five years 848 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 4: ago that Nancy Pelosi, then Speaker of the House, was 849 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 4: under immense pressure to start an impeachment inquiry for Donald 850 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 4: Trump on Russia, remember. 851 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: That, right, And she really didn't want to do it. 852 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 4: I had plenty of constituents who were lighting me up 853 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,959 Speaker 4: and saying, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, and of course 854 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 4: the Muller investigation is going on, there's a congression event, 855 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 4: and Nancy Pelosi said, hell no, hell. 856 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: No, because of Clinton, right, because of the Clinton impeachment 857 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: and how badly it did for Republicans or another reason. 858 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 4: No, I think Nancy Pelosi realized that, you know that 859 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 4: weaponizing impeachment, you know that is to say, starting one 860 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 4: with no evidence and Muller's out there gathering evidence was 861 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 4: a bad place to go. It was only when the 862 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 4: quote perfect phone call of incredible extortion came out that 863 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 4: Pelosi pulled the trigger. 864 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching that because it was five years ago, 865 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: though it feels like fifty, thinking to myself, like, she 866 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: has so much anxiety about starting this impeachment. One of 867 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: the things that Nancy Pelos, who was famous for, was 868 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: trying to protect her vulnerable Democrats, right, the people like 869 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: those Sixteenublicans who are you know exactly? 870 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 4: I watched her do it again and again and again. 871 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 2: You know, Nancy. 872 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 4: Pelosi really understood how you built and expanded a majority. 873 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 4: The Republicans have been throwing their eighteen most vulnerable members 874 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 4: under the bus again and again and again. 875 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering as we're in this, do you think 876 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: that the George Santos uzzerally surprised that Republicans kicked George 877 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: Santos out of the House at the last minute leadership 878 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: decided to vote to keep him. That was sort of incredible. 879 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? And were you surprised 880 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: that they ultimately did it and that that leadership then 881 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: seized defeat from the jaws of victory because I feel 882 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: like at the last minute they were like, oh my god. 883 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 4: Math, Yeah, I think that's what happened. And by the way, 884 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 4: the first time before the Ethics report came out, I 885 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 4: voted against expelling George Santos because though I'd read the 886 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 4: press and though it was pretty clear this was a 887 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 4: slimy guy, there had been no process whatsoever, no reports, 888 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 4: no investigation. And then, of course the famous fifty six 889 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 4: page report from the Ethics Committee comes out, replete with 890 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 4: spending of campaign funds on OnlyFans and botox and lie 891 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 4: after lie after lie by the way written by a 892 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 4: Republican chairman. 893 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: And stealing money from Max Miller's. 894 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 4: Mom, and nowhere, nowhere, nowhere does it say that a 895 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,800 Speaker 4: member must be convicted of a crime. We're an Article 896 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 4: one authority. We decide, and that was obviously enough process. 897 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 4: But you hit the nail on the head. Mike Johnson, 898 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 4: as some of his more operationally inclined people were like, 899 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, our majority is going down to three 900 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 4: and down to two, you know, so so yeah, they. 901 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: Tried to keep them incredible. So so what do you 902 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: think now we got the Swazi election, Santos's seat is 903 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: now going into a special that's New York eleven. Then 904 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna go. So that could mean their majority would 905 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: be down by another. 906 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 4: One, right, Yeah, Frankly, it doesn't matter if it's a 907 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 4: three seat majory, a four seat or a seven seat majority. 908 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, think of who populates the margin there, right, Bobart, 909 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 4: Bob Good, Paul Ghosts. 910 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 2: Are you know? 911 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 4: I mean these are this is the Star Wars canteena 912 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 4: of the far right, and so it doesn't really matter 913 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 4: who you know whether. Now, by the way, dare I 914 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 4: say if somehow the majority somebody does a surprise retirement 915 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 4: it gets down to one person. Now you start thinking about, 916 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 4: you know, Arlen Spector who changed parties and flipped control 917 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 4: of the Senate, or Jim Jefferts back in the day, right. 918 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even gonna tease that because I 919 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 4: don't think it's very likely. But yeah, when you're down 920 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 4: to a one person majority, it's no more manageable for 921 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 4: them than a ten person majority. But it gets intriguing. 922 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: It does get intriguing, and I mean there is some 923 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: West wing fanfit about a Republican going over to the 924 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: other side, though it seems very unlikely in this world 925 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: of hyperpartisanship. Thank you so much, Jim. I hope you'll 926 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: come back. 927 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Thank you for having me. 928 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: No mo. 929 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon my junk fast. 930 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 3: I hear you're really excited about polls, because I know 931 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 3: you love polls so much. 932 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: One thousand people answering their fucking phones does not necessarily 933 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: tell you how the rest of the country feels. But 934 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: even more annoying than that, we have these slate of 935 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: New York Times polls. They come out. There was one 936 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: that showed Trump ahead and all the swing districts all right. Again, 937 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: based on that was two three hundred people talked to 938 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: on the phone. This poll actually showed by up forty 939 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,919 Speaker 1: seven to forty five would look likely voters, and they 940 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: buried that headline. So I'm going to say this real 941 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: slow polls are not real. They are called pseudo events 942 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: because they are like press conferences, things created by campaigns 943 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: and politicians and pundits to give something to talk to, 944 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: and they give you a false sense of knowing what's happening. 945 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: Certainly people are mad at Biden. Certainly the economy is bad, 946 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: Certainly the vibes are bad. But I'm not going to 947 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,760 Speaker 1: start freaking out about these insane pouls that are posted 948 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: in such a way. So, yes, guess why this is 949 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: bad for Biden. Throw out all the polls, make sure 950 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: to vote. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 951 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,839 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the 952 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 1: best minds in politics make sense of all this chaos. 953 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to 954 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks 955 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: for listening.