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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: When you went to sixty minutes in the early days,

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Speaker 1: who were the major talent then Mike Wallace, Morley Safer,

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Speaker 1: Andy Rooney right right it it was Mike and Rooney

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Speaker 1: and Ed Bradley and Morley. Oh yeah, Ed did a

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Speaker 1: great job too. Yeah. And what was amazing is if

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Speaker 1: you came there, if you know, a casual visitor to

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Speaker 1: the office, you walk in afternoons, you wouldn't think it's

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Speaker 1: very competitive. Mike would be taking a little nap on

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Speaker 1: the couch with a blanket, you know, blanket over and

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Speaker 1: Morley would be sleeping at his desk with a cigarette

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Speaker 1: dangling from his mouth. Ed Bradley would be complaining about

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Speaker 1: the noise in the hallway and he'd be playing loud

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Speaker 1: jazz music to drown out the noise. But it was

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Speaker 1: a really, really kind of very competitive environment. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike and Morley's offices were about one inch apart, but

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Speaker 1: there would be if Mike would steal a story from Morley,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't talk for about a year. Really competitive. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean Bradley one time thought I took a story

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Speaker 1: from which I didn't, but he didn't talk to me

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years. That's amazing. We saw each other at

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Speaker 1: a bathlor part. I said it, it's been fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: He looked at me, said fifteen year. He said, okay,

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Speaker 1: we could start talking now. Were you when you were

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Speaker 1: at ABC? Were you there when Inside Edition was on

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Speaker 1: with Bill O'Reilly? Um? Yeah, but we were kind of

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Speaker 1: separate operations. Do you have you seen that clip of

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Speaker 1: Bill going ballistic? Which one? Yeah, there's one where he's

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Speaker 1: got to do some copy and he's trying to prerecord it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he just couldn't get it done, and he finally screams,

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Speaker 1: what do it live? Yeah? You know, we can't can't

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Speaker 1: repeat everything that they probably said you can't. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean you maybe on cable you can, Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: on this show, but no, it's true. But when I

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Speaker 1: was at ABC, it's funny. I was thinking of you too.

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Speaker 1: I mean I did a show. It was the first

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Speaker 1: one of Lincoln Square Productions, which the News division was

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Speaker 1: trying to branch out a little bit, And it was

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Speaker 1: a show called Strange Mysteries and I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: it was on briefly, but it was with Ron Reagan

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Speaker 1: was in it and Chris Conley and we did a

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Speaker 1: story on animal psychics. And so I said to the producer,

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, the Belmont Steaks is being run. I

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Speaker 1: want you to go down there and take your animal

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Speaker 1: psychics and do a story. So the psychic went down

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Speaker 1: there and it talked to a horse. None of the

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Speaker 1: main trainers wanted to talk to the psychic, but one

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Speaker 1: trainer said, sure, why not. It was a horse named

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Speaker 1: Sarafa and this, and so the psychic is talking to

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Speaker 1: Sarafa and the psychic is telling the owner listen, Sarafa says,

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Speaker 1: it had a little injury on its right leg, and

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Speaker 1: the owner says, yeah, that's true. And it listener appreciates

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Speaker 1: the fact that you, you know, you've took care of

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Speaker 1: it and it's going to really run a great race tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and it just wants you to know that it thinks

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Speaker 1: it's going to win. So the owner says, thanks. But

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Speaker 1: the horse wants to tell you something that if it

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Speaker 1: does win, it wants a plaque on its stage put

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Speaker 1: next to it. Sona says, absolutely, tell the horse absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, next day, Sarafa longest long shot in the

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Speaker 1: history of the Belmont Stakes seventy to one Womont Stakes.

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Speaker 1: It's sure, And we ended the story with a plaque

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Speaker 1: being put up absolutely and with the horse winking at

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Speaker 1: the end. Right, what do you what's your take? Because

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Speaker 1: you've looked at this UFOs Sure, you've got Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 1: during his days trying to find out what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's talking to him. Did you ever investigate any of that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I became for a period of time the the you know,

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Speaker 1: the the UFO person. Before I get to the Carter story.

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Speaker 1: The way it began was I come to work one

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Speaker 1: opened it up and it was the Majestic twelve document. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I was the first person to get it. And

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Speaker 1: I look at it, I read it, I read it again,

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Speaker 1: and I put it back in the envelope. And remember

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Speaker 1: this is before internet, you know, exactly the Internet and

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Speaker 1: check out names. And so I looked at it, looked

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Speaker 1: to you at the time? Oh? Sure, absolutely, you know

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a beautiful document. And I went

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Speaker 1: that the document came from. So you know, I regarded

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Speaker 1: the BBC, I think it was, and so I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this to him. He said, I love to do a

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Speaker 1: suddenly he breaks it worldwide, you know, Majestic twelfth document

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Speaker 1: Like he played it straight. And you know, so I

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Speaker 1: get a phone call that day from Don Ywitt and

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Speaker 1: Mike Wallace. I said, Hey, have you seen this Majestic twelve?

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Speaker 1: And I said, I've had it? What even you had it?

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Speaker 1: I checked it out and it's phony. And I walked

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Speaker 1: through my reporting with him and they accepted it. It's

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Speaker 1: the only document that the FBI labeled as bogus. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you ever saw it. They actually stamped

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Speaker 1: at bogus. Yeah, I remember money or whatever bogus, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was amazing. Anyway, I began to do these

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Speaker 1: stories and I was profiling Jimmy Carter and I went

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Speaker 1: down the planes and I said, mister President, and I

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Speaker 1: voted for you because you said you wouldn't release the

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Speaker 1: UFO files. And in a second he said, I tried.

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Speaker 1: So what do you mean you tried? He said, well,

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Speaker 1: when I got to the office, I asked for the

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Speaker 1: UFO files and I called the CI director and the

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Speaker 1: CI director comes in and he said, sorry, you can't

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Speaker 1: have it. You know you're you're a civilian, and we

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Speaker 1: can't give it to you. The CI director was George Bush. Unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: what a great story. Unbelievable. Those documents are real. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they have there's something there. There's something there.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure what it is. For that matter, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure Jimmy Carter knows what it is. But he was

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Speaker 1: He basically said, Okay, you're fired. See I'm convinced that

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Speaker 1: only a few standing presidents were given information about UFOs.

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon was one of them, right, and he may

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Speaker 1: have been. I don't think Kennedy got it. Obviously, Carter

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Speaker 1: had a meeting with extraterrestrials. Well, you know, there's that story.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you could tell me about it. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I've heard the Nixon story where he took Jackie Gleeson, yes,

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Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is is that Jackie Gleason's wife

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Speaker 1: But apparently Richard Nixon drove him to Homestead in a

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Speaker 1: apparently he showed Gleeson in extraterrestrial in a jar, and

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Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson just couldn't believe it. He just he was

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Speaker 1: never the same. I think there's a lot of credence

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Speaker 1: to that story. I do too. I do too. I've

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Speaker 1: heard that story, you know, from from other sources as well,

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Speaker 1: not just you know, you know, you know, in tabloids

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Speaker 1: And and um, you know the one thing I hate, um,

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Speaker 1: used to play some sports. We're in this together, win

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Speaker 1: collecting an award. You know, it's kind of that's kind

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Speaker 1: of easy part of the job. The hard part of

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Speaker 1: been my thinking. That's one of the reasons that my

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Speaker 1: I did the story on opiated epidemic in America, and

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Speaker 1: guy who said that the Congress was making it impossible

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Speaker 1: for the DA to do their job against corporate America

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Speaker 1: in the drug world. And you know, you've you, I

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Speaker 1: know you've you're you're very into this subject too. You know,

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Speaker 1: the you know, the the McKesson corporation and Perdue Pharma.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these people were flooding America with these pills,

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Speaker 1: addicting America. This is you know, this is the hot

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Speaker 1: found that the DA was neutered by Congress, and the

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