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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, June nineteenth, and as Bernie and I record

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Speaker 1: this episode, it was supposed to be a serious recap

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Speaker 1: episode between the Cardinals and the White Sox, but we

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Speaker 1: should have known after two weeks thought a doubleheader, that

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals would get another one.

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Speaker 2: So as we recorded this right now, it's four to

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Speaker 2: one Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: In the top of the fourth, Alec Burlason and Nolan

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Speaker 1: Arnotto went back to back in the inning. Prior Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to Nolan home run number three fifty for the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: third baseman. What a career he has had. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Cardinal territory. Bernie and I finally reunited. It's been

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Speaker 1: so long, Bernie, how are you. I haven't seen you

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Speaker 1: in forever. I feel like I'm doing good.

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Speaker 3: I missed you, you know. I'm used to doing two

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Speaker 3: of these a week with you, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: maybe I got maybe I was designated for assignment or something.

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Speaker 3: So I'm.

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Speaker 2: The show episode. No way.

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Speaker 3: No, It's good to be back with you. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: always a lot to talk about. The Cardinals are interesting,

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Speaker 3: if nothing else, whether they're good or they're bad, or

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Speaker 3: there's a drama, it's just they're always always interesting, you know,

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Speaker 3: because of that lineup churn and Ali's got to make

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Speaker 3: all these decisions, and you you know, you have McGreevy

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Speaker 3: pitching today, and it's it's kind of like, are they

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Speaker 3: really gonna send them back to Memphis? I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: just always something going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's jump right into it, because Shotter, you're in

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Speaker 1: my mind. As we mentioned, the Cardinals are still playing

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Speaker 1: right now, their second game of Thursday's doubleheader, but they

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Speaker 1: did take the series things to comeback win in Game

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Speaker 1: one five to four. Shout out Wilson Contrera's game tight

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Speaker 1: home run. Shout out the White Sox defense for you

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Speaker 1: go ahead on earn run that won that game. But

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Speaker 1: really I thought that, and we talked about this in

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's episode. The win on Tuesday was they needed to

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Speaker 1: do that. They needed to at least win the series

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Speaker 1: bare minimum.

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Speaker 2: They can hold on to.

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Speaker 1: This lead, obviously, they'll take a sweep, would do wonders

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Speaker 1: to get them back to a good place ahead of

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Speaker 1: their seven straight games against their Nlcentral opponents. But I

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Speaker 1: think Michael McGreevy, who's allowed want and run so far,

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Speaker 1: this is fun. It's like we're watching the game together

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Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: We should have done a live stream just we're able

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Speaker 3: to talk about the game, not play by play. We

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Speaker 3: could have done like a game breakdown, you know, kind

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Speaker 3: of play by play by not play by play, but

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Speaker 3: for when something happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, finally that away for my next off series.

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Speaker 1: I would love to do that with the Foul Territory.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: What a fun idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So back to McGreevy before I get super sidetracked.

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Speaker 1: I checked out from the team for maybe twelve hours,

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Speaker 1: and as a B writer that you are apparently not

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Speaker 1: allowed to do that. Because imagine my surprise as I

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Speaker 1: have MLB Network on my TV this morning, getting ready

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Speaker 1: to go hang out with my.

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Speaker 2: Mom and St.

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Speaker 1: Charles, and on the little ticker it says McGreevy, as

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Speaker 1: they're probable for today, and I've said, oh, all right.

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Speaker 1: So after a couple of texts with the manager, yes,

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Speaker 1: Michael mcgreeby brought up to be the twenty seventh man.

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Speaker 1: As we know, this will not impact his availability or

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Speaker 1: eligibility to be called up again on June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: which is the Tuesday game between the Cubs, should the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals elect to go that route, they will end up

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Speaker 1: using another temporary six man starter, similar to how they

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Speaker 1: have in weeks prior when they do that.

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Speaker 2: Not sure.

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Speaker 1: They were tentatively looking at July or June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: excuse me for that date.

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Speaker 2: Not sure with the doubleheader if they will.

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Speaker 1: But we will see Michael McGreevy again at some point

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks after as the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: next off day is not until July third, so.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully, And it's going well so far.

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Speaker 1: If Michael mcgevy can handle the Mets and the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: he should be able to handle the White Sox. But

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Speaker 1: at this point, Bernie, we'd understand and we know why

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Speaker 1: Michael McGreevy isn't in this rotation.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, what.

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Speaker 1: Else does he have to do, and what's in your mind,

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Speaker 1: what's the best path to get him in Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: pitching continuously every five six days.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I gotta be honest with you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: from a logical standpoint. But then I sit here. I

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Speaker 3: and then I get annoyed because the Cardinals, you know,

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Speaker 3: they they want to tell us over and over and

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Speaker 3: over again, it's a runway season. It's a runway season.

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Speaker 3: Young players opportunities here, we go, roll out the runway, okay,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, okay, we're all on board with that.

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Speaker 3: But then they make decisions that indicate, hey, we're trying

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Speaker 3: to win, you know we Yeah, we got to try

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Speaker 3: to win. Okay, so yeah, we're we're gonna give ourselves

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Speaker 3: be about the runway. But this is what irritates me

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Speaker 3: about the McGreevy situation. He's both Okay, you're right, he's both.

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Speaker 3: He fits the runway. In fact, he may be the

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Speaker 3: epitome of a runway pitcher or player, and he also

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Speaker 3: increases your chances of winning because he's really really good.

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Speaker 3: So why isn't he in your rotation. I'll try not

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Speaker 3: to holler, would holler at you, Kate, But it's like,

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Speaker 3: if you think about it in those terms, it's just

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Speaker 3: exasperating because it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: But to your question, I don't know. Do you trade uh?

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Speaker 3: Do you trade fetti at the trade deadline? Do you

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Speaker 3: do you say thank you to Miles Michaelis but we

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Speaker 3: have to move on. Do you send Pilante to Memphis

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Speaker 3: to work on some stuff? I don't know, but if you,

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Speaker 3: if you want, If this is a Runway season and

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Speaker 3: you have a runway pitcher and the picture happens to

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Speaker 3: be outstanding every time you give him a chance, why

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Speaker 3: does he have to take his suitcase back to Memphis

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Speaker 3: so often? I don't it's just.

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Speaker 1: Here, Bernie, let me add a banner for you. I

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Speaker 1: feel like this, this is something, this would be the

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Speaker 1: new segment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're spot on, like he is the.

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Speaker 2: Best off for Runway and results and we haven't seen him.

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Speaker 2: And I understand it. I you know, have never really

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Speaker 1: But I get what they're doing and I can't think

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Speaker 3: I just don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, that's right, right.

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Speaker 1: But a credit to McGreevy, who, when I talked to

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Speaker 1: him after the Dodgers spot start, said like, hey, this

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not ideal, but it's the business. I

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Speaker 1: and I can handle this and I believe him, and

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Speaker 1: that's something that I think is only going to suit

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Speaker 2: And it's why Ollie Marmal likes him so much. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's not like the Cardinals don't want Michael McGreevy and

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis. Do you know who probably wants him here

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Speaker 2: the most? Allie? Do you know who also wants him here? Mo? Like?

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Speaker 2: It's not a matter of every like not.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're in charge, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: They're in charge.

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Speaker 1: They want him here, they don't have room for him.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right when you gave those three options.

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Speaker 1: I think the most the highest probability of those options

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Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. I'm not ready to have that

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Speaker 1: you can trade Eric Fetti, who was in his final

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Speaker 1: year of a seven point five million dollar contract, who's

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Speaker 1: having a good year, who is going to show what

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Speaker 1: the season, probably a little less to be a league

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Speaker 1: trade him and create a spot for McGreevy if you

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with the depth and Triple A now with

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Speaker 1: some heavy arms have come back from the injured list,

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Speaker 1: when Matthews's back team hands is back to cohe where

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Speaker 1: we just promoted to Triple A earlier in the month.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying rush them up as the last thing

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals should be doing with those three pictures, but

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Speaker 1: that's the conversation that you can have and say, maybe

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals trade Eric Fetti, create that position for McGreevy.

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Speaker 2: Just two months of runway, and by doing that, maybe

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Speaker 2: you're old.

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Speaker 1: I'm so boosting your team because by trading Fetti, by

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Speaker 1: it's about creating other opportunities for playing time. Where think

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Speaker 1: of the Detroit Tigers last year, for example, what the

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Speaker 2: They snuck into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That's the ideal blueprint for the Cardinals, if they can

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Speaker 1: do that with an Eric Fetti, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: no trade clause owed a little bit more money, hasn't

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Speaker 2: Trust their depth right now, I guess we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We'll see McGreevy in like brandom bursts of happiness because

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Bertie, you should be here.

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Speaker 5: He should.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, quinnin Atthews, I thought the Cardinals,

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Speaker 3: the people down below were really smart. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: my hope, and I think it's every once hope for

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals player development and farm system, you're going to

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Speaker 3: have like really good, smart, proactive handling of your well

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Speaker 3: all your guys, but your best guys. So since he's

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Speaker 3: been back, he's made three starts and he's been outstanding.

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Speaker 3: His strikeout rate is like thirty five percent, you know,

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Speaker 3: and er like one point three six or something. But

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Speaker 3: the point is it just reminds you just how talented

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Speaker 3: I know that the Cardinals can push Matthews back until

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. I get it, But I'm just wondering

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Speaker 3: other than Libataur and I commend the Cardinals for giving

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Speaker 1: All Right after this White Sox game, the Cardinals come

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Speaker 2: Uh, this is a huge series. Get we got to

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Speaker 3: I think I think the Reds were getting beat bad today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Brewers beat the Cubs and the Reds lost,

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Speaker 3: It's a fascinating thing because the more I watch them

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Speaker 3: when the team's going well, they're they're kind of collectively

439
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Speaker 3: reaching their as individuals, right.

440
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Speaker 2: But.

441
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Speaker 3: They're not quite established where that consistency is there. So

442
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Speaker 3: if they're not hitting their ceilings or they're not close

443
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 3: to their ceilings, and we saw that with the lineup recently,

444
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Speaker 3: and you have about four or five guys at one

445
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 3: time or just aren't hitting, it's pretty ugly. Or your

446
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 3: rotation a couple three of your starters go through a rut,

447
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Speaker 3: it's pretty ugly. So I'm not saying they have to

448
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 3: be great, But I think it's a team that frankly

449
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: is kind of wired to have a lot of ups

450
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Speaker 3: and downs. But how do they get past the part

451
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Speaker 3: of it's inevitable to have a lot of ups and downs?

452
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I'm kind of looking at

453
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Speaker 3: it from an overview standpoint, but I'm still not sure

454
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Speaker 3: who they are, except maybe that's who they are. They're

455
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Speaker 3: going to be an up and down team, and in.

456
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Speaker 1: A season that's designated for runway and opportunity and adjusting

457
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: and readjusting, that does make sense.

458
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Speaker 2: Does it make it easy for us? No? Does it

459
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Speaker 2: make it easy for the fans? No? But I'm not boring,

460
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: And in this season where expectations.

461
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Speaker 1: Were on the floor and there was an overall just whatever, apathetic, frustrated,

462
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: disinterested view over this organization, having a baseball team that

463
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: is objectively not boring and performing above expectations, you know,

464
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Speaker 1: highs and lows aside, I think that we can get

465
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Speaker 1: on board with that. I'm not saying that here that

466
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Speaker 1: they're going to go and make the playoffs. I have

467
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Speaker 1: no idea what their trade deadline is going to look like.

468
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Speaker 1: I have no idea in the next four weeks how

469
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Speaker 1: their play is going to impact those decisions. And I

470
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Speaker 1: have no idea how not Mo, not Heim Bloom, how

471
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Speaker 1: ownership will respond to their play, because ultimately those are

472
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Speaker 1: the ones making the decisions this year. MO will have

473
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Speaker 1: all to say over you know, the baseball operation standpoint,

474
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Speaker 1: but as terms like as far as the finances go

475
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Speaker 1: and the money and the payroll, that's ownership, So all

476
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Speaker 1: those things outside of our control. The thing that we

477
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Speaker 1: can watch every day is is team play. And when

478
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Speaker 1: you have a team that has a learned the big

479
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: leagues in real time, you're gonna see players like Victor

480
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: Scott the second have some real low weeks. You're gonna

481
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: see Lars Newbar have some real low weeks. You're gonna

482
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: see Brendan Donovan have some highs, and you're gonna see

483
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Speaker 1: Matthew Libertore be really good one start and not so

484
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Speaker 1: good the next start.

485
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of I think I think you nailed

486
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Speaker 2: at Bernie.

487
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Speaker 1: Like, the overall approach for this Cardinals team is there's

488
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Speaker 1: gonna be some highs and lows, and if they can

489
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to whether the highs a little

490
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Speaker 1: bit more consistently, maybe we have a much more exciting

491
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Speaker 1: second half than we originally thought.

492
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Speaker 3: Can I throw one more thing into and the guys

493
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Speaker 3: that we are coming into the season and I should

494
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Speaker 3: have It just occurred to me to think of it

495
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Speaker 3: this way, or I would have written down a listed names.

496
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Speaker 3: So I didn't forget anybody but the guys who came

497
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Speaker 3: into the season with established records who are good and

498
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: we expected them to be good, maybe even great those guys.

499
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Speaker 3: I understand the fluctuations with the people trying to get established,

500
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Speaker 3: but Sonny Gray's got to be more consistent. They really

501
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: need Ryan Helsley to fix that fastball. They really need

502
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: that because they're going to play a lot of tight games.

503
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: He's nowhere close to himself, at least based on twenty

504
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: twenty four. That was a nice save today, But until

505
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: that fastball gets fixed, you know, you're not sure what

506
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: to expect from him from save opportunity to save opportunity.

507
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: And that's a really dangerous thing for the Cardinals because

508
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: last year they were not a super team. And I'm

509
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Speaker 3: not putting all this on Hellsley, but they were not

510
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Speaker 3: a super team last year. But why did they win

511
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: eighty three games? Because the bullpen, the setup guys were great,

512
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: and he just basically went boom every time he came

513
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: out to put one away. And that's not the case

514
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Speaker 3: this year. And during this bad stretch they've been they've

515
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: they've been in and coming out of, he was really shaky.

516
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Speaker 3: So I don't mean to put it all on Sunny Gray,

517
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Speaker 3: and I'm just saying, Sonny Gray is the guy that

518
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Speaker 3: leads your rotation. He's got to be a hammer. Ryan

519
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Helsley's got to be a hammer. Who else would you

520
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: put in that category? A guy that a hitter or

521
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: pitcher that's established that's being really good and the Cardinals

522
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: need them to be really good, I mean, or else

523
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: if they fluctuate just like the young guys, then you're

524
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Speaker 3: not going to be real successful consistently. Who else would

525
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 3: you put in that camp?

526
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Speaker 2: You're right on the Sunny grade. They're paying him to

527
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: be the ace.

528
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Speaker 1: He needs to pitch like the ace, and he's had

529
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Speaker 1: a good season, but you'd like to see him be

530
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Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent. Hellsley couldn't agree more. I'd

531
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Speaker 1: say controers, and he has done that. I mean, the

532
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season were not great. But

533
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Speaker 1: since then he's been one of the most productive hitters.

534
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Speaker 1: And honestly, I would have said heading into the season,

535
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado, but I the ops is right around seven

536
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: hundred right now, and yet the offense seems to be

537
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: doing okay without him, because.

538
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying he's not contributing.

539
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: He's had ten homers on the ear, but he's not

540
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: contributing to the level that the Cardinals needed him to

541
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: or that he expects of himself. But the reason that

542
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: they've been able to get away from that and be

543
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: okay with that is because guys like Brendan Donovan and

544
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Von Herrera have come up and really established themselves as.

545
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: Legit major league hitters in different ways.

546
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Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan is the contact, get on base kind of guy,

547
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: and Herrera is he's like their big moment bat.

548
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: When was the last time the Cardinals had a bat.

549
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: In the lineup where in late inning game situation, runners

550
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: in scoring position, you felt good about it.

551
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: You're like, you know who's going to come through for

552
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: us right now? Yvon Herrera.

553
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Speaker 1: And in this very short sample size, he's given me

554
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: a ton of confidence in those big moments. So I

555
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they need to perform this year because

556
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be the expectation. But now that those two

557
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: have proven that they can and they've set the expectations

558
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: for themselves going forward, they need to be able to

559
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: sustain this if they if the Cardinals want to be.

560
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: Good, that's exactly right. And I love watching Avon Herrera.

561
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: Bet.

562
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: I don't like watching them catch, but I love that.

563
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: I love watching him swing the bat. And he's such

564
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 3: a confident hitter and he's so smart. And the thing

565
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: about it is, and you saw him go through We

566
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: saw him go through a drought recently, and he got

567
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: through it. He's smart, He adjusted, he figured out what

568
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: they were doing. He's a very cerebral guy when it

569
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 3: comes to hitting a baseball and wondering what pitchers are

570
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: going to do. He doesn't get tricked a lot. So

571
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: he's only going to get better and better and better.

572
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: And that's pretty exciting for the Cardinals and their fans

573
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: for the future. But I'm with you in Wilson Contreres.

574
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Speaker 4: He is.

575
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know about the inner dynamics of leadership

576
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, about who gives the speeches and all

577
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: that if anybody gives speeches anymore. But certainly his presence

578
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: and his personality and his intensity on the field, as

579
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: we saw in Milwaukee, saw it a little bit in

580
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: this series. I think I think his younger teammates are

581
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: just really fired up by him. He's careless, he doesn't

582
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: give a damn.

583
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Speaker 1: You know, he's not, as evidenced by his interview postgame

584
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Speaker 1: on Saturday against the Brewers.

585
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Look, I have learned in my five years on the

586
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: beat that you.

587
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Speaker 1: Should always expect the unexpected. I did not expect Wilson

588
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: Conturis to go secon mode.

589
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: On the live post.

590
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: So I can't repeat those words on this TV. My

591
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: grandma watches the show sometimes, so I will not. But

592
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: I think we all know what we're at, what incident

593
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about with Wilson. But let me tell you,

594
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: the clubhouse was like shocked.

595
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: For a second.

596
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: Those young guys are like, no way, he just said that,

597
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: Because we're in the visiting club much smaller so you

598
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: hear everything, and all of a sudden, just.

599
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: Like they just erupted. They were like no way, Like

600
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: who says that?

601
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: But he's done a really nice job, I think, and

602
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Nolan too, of letting this clubhouse these young guys be

603
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: themselves this year, where in twenty one and twenty two,

604
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: twenty three go on, there were a bunch of established

605
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: veterans with a high expectation of how not just how

606
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: baseball should be played, but how being a Cardinal should

607
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: look and feel. And I'm not taken away from that

608
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: because obviously those veterans, no matter what ones you're thinking of,

609
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: have had tremendous success both personally and with the team.

610
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: And when you're in the Saint it was Cardinals, it's

611
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: so important to have a culture established in that club house.

612
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: But this is not a normal year for Saint Louis, right,

613
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: It's it's one where they can start to establish their

614
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: own culture. Anderson Arnatto said, Okay, we're going to let

615
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: them do that. And Sonny Gray said, I'm going to

616
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: let them do that. I'm gonna let those pictures come

617
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: to me. I'll be there for them, and he has been.

618
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Sonny has a different picture with him every day.

619
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Speaker 1: But we're going to let them figure out what they

620
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: want the culture to be and we're going to give

621
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: them the opportunity to develop there as well.

622
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: And that's done a lot, maybe more than I would

623
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: have expected.

624
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: Smart it is, it's really smart. And listen, you know,

625
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: as someone who chronicled the Cardinals during the Tony LaRussa

626
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: era and even beyond, because they were still really good

627
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: through twenty fifteen, the whole Cardinal Way thing mattered. And

628
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: the whole Cardinal Way thing was also misrepresented a lot

629
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: by people in the media. But even Mike Mentheni, the manager,

630
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: it was never meant to be like, oh, we're holier

631
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: than now, We're you know, oh we're we have good morals,

632
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 3: you know, we know, and that message sort of got

633
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: out there by frankly, some of the stuff Mike Methidi

634
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: would say, and then all of a sudden, the rest,

635
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: you know, basically national baseball media, they're sort of sort

636
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: of making fun of it. It's like, who these guys

637
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: are a little bit a little bit haughty here. Okay,

638
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: that part of it was was just ridiculous, right, But

639
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: the basic fundamentals and the principles that the Cardinal Way

640
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: that started by George Kissel, what they represent, that was

641
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: a real thing and they really really matter. However, and

642
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: I'll be quick here, However, that culture from a baseball

643
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: standpoint is still really something to aspire to. But I

644
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: thought I think the Cardinals were too slow to adapt

645
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: to the fact young players today it's just a different vibe.

646
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: It's a different setis cultural standards, and you have to

647
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: let guys be who they are. It can't be a

648
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: library in there, like if you have a loose clubhouse

649
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: with the young guys. You know, you can't be like, oh,

650
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: we better keep it down. You know, we just got

651
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: to look from you know, you can't have that. You

652
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: got to let them be who they are. To your point,

653
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm backing up your point because you know, the Cardinal

654
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 3: way thing from a baseball standpoint, will live forever if

655
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Speaker 3: people take care of it. But the Cardinals did get

656
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: a little too haughty there for a while, and they're little,

657
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: little little too like button down and where the Cardinals

658
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: and we're immaculate, and all that stuff had to go away.

659
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: You got to let the boys be boys. Look at

660
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: all the great teams. Look at how much fun they have.

661
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: Look at how loose they are. They get dirty on

662
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: the field. I mean they're they're kind of rowdy, you know,

663
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: they play pranks on each other. They kind of put

664
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Speaker 3: all their personality out there. You gotta dapt with the times.

665
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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. And you know we hear a lot after

666
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Speaker 2: games or bad weeks where the veterans.

667
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Are like, hey, I really like where our heads around

668
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Speaker 1: are here, Allie like, well, I really like where the

669
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Speaker 1: club is at right now.

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Speaker 2: I know fans Bowl the Rise and they're like, we

671
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Speaker 2: like winning games.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

673
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Speaker 2: But someone who's in the clubhouse every game.

674
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Speaker 1: The first time the Cardinals lost, I walked in there

675
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: and they had music playing, not bumping, not super loud,

676
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: but just like music like to hey, we're going home.

677
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: We'll go get them tomorrow.

678
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: And I remember myself and a couple of reporters stopping

679
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and looking around like we've never heard that. Usually after

680
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: losses in years prior, you could hear your footsteps in

681
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the clubhouse and we'd all have to like whisper in

682
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: our postgame interviews because it.

683
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Was so quiet. Now it's like, hey, we lost, but

684
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: don't worry, we're gonna be back tomorrow. We're going to

685
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Speaker 2: be a good spot.

686
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Speaker 1: So I agree with you, Bernie. I really like what

687
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Speaker 1: these young kids are at. And we'll talk about a

688
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Speaker 1: little a couple more young kids in our final segment.

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Speaker 2: All right, vibe chef, vibe check. It's still six to

715
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Speaker 2: one Saint Louis in the bottom of the fifth.

716
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Speaker 3: And by the way, how about Alec Burlson.

717
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: How about Alec Burlison.

718
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean, now he's crushing left handed pictures yea, you.

719
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: Know, shouting out as the field. He had a ball

720
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Speaker 2: at as eyeballs, I.

721
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Speaker 3: Know, And it's just like I was watching that because

722
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: it's right before I got ready to come on with you,

723
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: and he's like he's I think he's figured this out,

724
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, and and uh boy, he's fun to watch.

725
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: And that's one of the to me. I know, we're

726
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: talking about some younger players, but he's kind of in

727
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: between because he's not like this, you know, highly experienced

728
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: season major league player and he's still twenty six. He

729
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: still had some things to prove. But he may be

730
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: the success story if you're looking for like so called

731
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: runway or near runway players. He may be like the

732
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: best thing that's happened so far, right, And you know,

733
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: certainly with certainly with position players.

734
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: And this is the player who saw his runway cut

735
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: him and just the nature of not being able to

736
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: being able to trade Arana. We know that that brings

737
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: us to our great segue. As always Bernie, who's in

738
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: the line up and who's out. I'll tell you this,

739
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: I do not I don't know Olie marml right now

740
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: because he needs to play the kids, right, opportunity for Walker,

741
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: for Gorman, for Burlison, for a new bar, take your

742
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: pick Mason, Win, Brennan, Donovan, and there is virtually it's.

743
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: Impossible to play all of those players at the same time.

744
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: And here's where.

745
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Things got will get a little dicey. We talked about

746
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: von Herrera earlier in the show. The plan was for

747
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Herrara to be the starting catcher every day. Pedro Pa

748
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: has to be the backup. Pozel was never part of the.

749
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Plan, okay.

750
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: And then Nolan Gorman, you're starting DH, put Donovan at

751
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: second Lars new Bar, and left, mix in opportunities for

752
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Burlison in the corners or as the DH, leave.

753
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: Walker and right. That was the formula.

754
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect, but it was. You know what, this

755
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: is how we can guarantee the most in bats. Gorman

756
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: and Burlson are going to see a little bit reducted,

757
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: but overall we feel pretty.

758
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: Good about it. And then what happened.

759
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: Pedro Pa has emerged as the far far superior defensive catcher,

760
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: so he needs to play every day. But there's no

761
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: way the Cardinals are taking Herrera's bat out.

762
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: Of the lineup. So now you have a log jam.

763
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: And no matter what lineup, Ollie Marmal rolls out because

764
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: he's rolled out three different ones in three games, someone

765
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: that should be playing is on the bench and there's

766
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: no way he can get around it.

767
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Bernie, who are the players that have to be playing

768
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: for you every single day?

769
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Speaker 3: Well, Pae should be the catcher, you know, not every

770
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: single day, but you know, but he should be. Contrall

771
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: should be the first basement for sure, Burl Lissen taking

772
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: some turns there when Contra scenes a day off or

773
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: he dhs Donovan should be the second baseman when Aaron

774
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: Otto speaking theself, you got to stick with Nuke barn left.

775
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: You ride with Scott for a while. You know, you

776
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: just got to have faith in him. He's a smart guy.

777
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna adjust and start to hit a

778
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: little better. Looks like he is and Walker, listen, he

779
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: is like mister Runway, you got to stick with him too.

780
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: So Alec Burlison has secured his spot in the lineup,

781
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: like he's moved ahead of Gorman in terms of the

782
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: left handed hitter pecting order. The only thing that Frus

783
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: strats me a little bit about the Gorman situation. And

784
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: you and I were in in in the we still

785
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: are in the play Gorman camp, and we do realize

786
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: like you said, as Kevin Wheeler, my colleague came, Oh,

787
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: I said, you know, Ali's got this Rubik's cube every

788
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: day and he's trying to figure it out, and it's

789
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: just that you never can really get it to line up.

790
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: The only thing like what bothered me for I give

791
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: you an example. You know, Ali and everybody's teaching, preaching

792
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: patients about Nolan Gorman. It's like, listen, for this guy

793
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: to be a good major league hitter, he just had

794
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: to tear it all down and start from scratch. And

795
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: he has to improve his plate approach, his plate discipline,

796
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: and he's gonna he's not going to be swinging his

797
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: hard because you know, he can't be just gripping it

798
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: and ripping it. So he's going to be a little

799
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: more not tentative, but he but he's going to be

800
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: a little more deliberate because he has to get a

801
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: sense of what a picture's trying to do. He's got

802
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: to think more and rip less. Well, he didn't get

803
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: the results, but the lessons. He absorbed the lessons and

804
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: his plate discipline improved, improved. And I know we said

805
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: a couple three weeks I said, like, listen, the results

806
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: probably are going to start to come now. And the

807
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: results have been coming now. He went through since made

808
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: the twenty six up, you know, to the start of

809
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: the Chicago series, among players had like forty forty five

810
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: played appears, Nolan Gorman was leading them in batting average,

811
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: on base percentage, slugging ops and walk rate. Okay, small sample,

812
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: but still sign of progress. He's awesome. In the Milwaukee series.

813
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: He even hits a three run homer off a lefty

814
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: and he laid down that bunt single that that should

815
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: have really, you know, won the game for them or

816
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: set it up. What was he doing sitting on the

817
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: bench the first game of the White Sox series when

818
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: they start a right handed pitcher. Why in the world

819
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: would he be on the bench in that situation.

820
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: Like I would have loved to ask Allie because I

821
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: have because.

822
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: He's he was the guy has done everything they wanted

823
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: him to do, and they told him, you have to

824
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: do this. Brtt you got you gotta, but you gotta

825
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: move in with Brent Brown. You gotta build throw all

826
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: throw throw all this away, and build it back up again.

827
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: And then he's starting to do it and the dudes

828
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: like hitting bombs off left hand, left handed pitcher and

829
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: a big spot right and he's not in the lineup

830
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: against her right handed starter like the first game in Chicago.

831
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: I was just like, I know, listen, I know Oli

832
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: is in a really tough spot. I get it, and

833
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: I talked to him about these type of decisions every

834
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: Tuesday on KMOX. But that was an example of just

835
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: me saying, you know, no, no, that's just not right.

836
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah he should have been I agree, And then you

837
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: get to the the butt question, But who are you

838
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: sitting Because if you're gonna play Gorman and Donovan, aren't

839
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: you sitting Burtleson and Burlison deserves to play just as much?

840
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: And then are you gonna sit Walker mister call him

841
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: that great nickname. I mean, if you want to play

842
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: your best beats. Sure, but that's how many lefties in

843
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: the lineup then five? Okay, how easy it is to

844
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: game plan against as an opposing manager. Plus, if this

845
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: is a runway season walker priority number one and you're

846
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: not taking new Bar out, and you shouldn't take Victor

847
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Scott out, they have to adjust and go through the

848
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations as well.

849
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: There is no perfect lineup for the say Lois Cardinals

850
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: right now.

851
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: No matter who's then, you can make the argument that

852
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: they need to be there, and whoever's on the bench,

853
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: you can make the argument they should be starting.

854
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: I do I think. I think at one point in

855
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: one of these runway players like Gorman, you know, they

856
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: gave him a lot to do, a lot to do

857
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: to sort of get his head back and just become

858
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: a new type of hitter, and he had some real

859
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: momentum going. And I don't I don't care who has

860
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: to sit. You don't interrupt his momentum by sitting them

861
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: on a bench. Ya, You're so right, you know, you

862
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: pull the plug on that sortyway. Now, Am I overreacting

863
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: to one decision? Yes? I am, But I was just

864
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: like really really excited by what Nolan Gorman was doing.

865
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: And by the way, I think he had a double

866
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: in this game the second game today. So anyway, no, no,

867
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: I get that, and I feel bad for Ali because

868
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: he didn't create this roster. He didn't construct it. Oli

869
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: dropped a hint on kmo X with us on Tuesday

870
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: when I was we were asking about Barreros JC, I

871
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 3: proposed a scenario to him to where he actually could

872
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: find some playing time for playing time for the JAC

873
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: two or three starts a week, two starts plus off

874
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: the bench, and he actually agreed with that. He said, yeah,

875
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: there's a way to do. It would mean more rest

876
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: for win, more making sure Donovan isn't running to the

877
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: ground Ronado, maybe getting more breathers, and he said, yeah,

878
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: he could help us during the week in a number

879
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: of ways. Yeah. But he made a point of saying,

880
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: he said, but that's a front office thing, like they

881
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: make the roster decisions, and I don't I got to

882
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: talk to him because I don't want to take that

883
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 3: the wrong way that he was just sort of pointing

884
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: a finger, But I could I have the feeling that

885
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: he would like to have Jace up here. And that

886
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: was a comical moment. Actually Tuesday when we asked him

887
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: about Barrero and I'm pointed out that he doesn't play,

888
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: and Oli said, well, okay, I get it. To Jayce,

889
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: he said, but he would he would be replacing a

890
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 3: guy who doesn't play. Right, So what.

891
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 2: We're like, who's not playing?

892
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: And I know what he man, I know what he went.

893
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: What he meant said, Jaycey's got to play if he's

894
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: up here. But fans were like, wait a minute, he

895
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: just said, you can't bring you can't bring Jayce up

896
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: here to replace a guy who's not playing. And the

897
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: fans were going nuts in the comments, They're like, if

898
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: he's not playing, Like, well, why is he here?

899
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: Let's use some critical thinking skills here.

900
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: And I understand what Oli meant. It just came out wrong.

901
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: I know what he meant, because you can't have Sa

902
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: Jayce up here sitting on the bench all the time.

903
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: I like, you can't.

904
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: No bo can sit on the bench. That's why he's

905
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: the twenty sixth man, right every season? Every season, I

906
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: know there is an obsession about the twenty sixth man

907
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: and why he is never used and why it's a

908
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: waste of space no matter.

909
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: Who it is.

910
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: And I just want to say.

911
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: That is the point of the twenty sixth man, to

912
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: have death to fill in a role when needed.

913
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: That is the point, Jose Berras.

914
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Jose Berra's role is to cover for Mason win when

915
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: needed in a doubleheader like today, and pinch run if

916
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: they need him to. Good teams have that as their

917
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: twenty sixth man. Now sometimes they have a little bit

918
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: better option than the Cardinals have had for the twenty

919
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: six mans from an overall skills standpoint. But that's the

920
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: whole point of the twenty six man and Thomas and

921
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: jac is not going to be here to be a

922
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: twenty six man.

923
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: That's a disservice to everybody.

924
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: I get it from fl Like you said, critical thinking,

925
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: I get it.

926
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: But how he said it was hilarious, though I did laugh.

927
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: It was funny. That was the thing. I wasn't upset,

928
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, I wasn't like ticked off about it. I

929
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: was just kind of like, I can't believe he said that,

930
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: because you know, the fans were just going nuts and

931
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: he just kind of walked right into that one. But

932
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: I get it. I don't want s JC coming up

933
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: here and sitting around. But then again, I think the

934
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: Jac could probably be used a couple times a week

935
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: and come off the bench during games. I do wonder, Katie,

936
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: And I don't want to drag this out, and I apologize,

937
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: but I do wonder. You know, I can't sit here

938
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 3: and draw up a grid with the schedule. He's the manager.

939
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: But I do think Arnatto should get a little more

940
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: time off. I know Wind should absolutely and don have

941
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: been you know, with the toe, and you don't you know,

942
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: I admire him a great deal, but you know, if

943
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: something's bothering him, you got to get it taken care of.

944
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: You don't run that guy into the ground. See. I

945
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: think Ali's got to be careful about that. And see

946
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: that's where a j C in theory would fit in

947
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: and he would have a role. But I don't know

948
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: that Ali's going to back off playing these guys basically

949
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: every day.

950
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it feels like he can.

951
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: One.

952
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Good luck getting Ronauda to agree to a day off exactly.

953
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't that two who is who's on the bench is

954
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: going to help you? Okay, you take Mason Whin, give

955
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: him a day and you start brunding Donovan. Okay, that's fine,

956
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Like it's not your best option at shortstop, but it's

957
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: major lely serviceable, and you feel okay there.

958
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: You take Donovan out of the.

959
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: Game and you play Gorman at second sure for a day,

960
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: because the defensive difference is dramatic between Donovan and Gorman

961
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: at second base. So he's balancing all he is runway

962
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: versus results and putting his best line up out there,

963
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: but also try not to bring these guys into the ground.

964
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's just so so comfortable because

965
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: by this section there is no one easy answer that

966
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: everyone won't agree to.

967
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: And we go back to the beginning because we should

968
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: never forget the number one factor in all this. They

969
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: tried to trade Aronado. They thought they had to trade.

970
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: They were confident they could trade him. They couldn't. He

971
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: came back, see if he And by the way, this

972
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: isn't me saying boo to Aronado. I love watching this

973
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: guy play like today, watching this doubleheader. He's making plays

974
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: left and right. I mean, he's his defense is so

975
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: entertaining and and and he's actually been hitting pretty well lately.

976
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: But when they couldn't trade Aronado, it clogged everything up

977
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: because if Ironado had been traded, Gorman would be playing

978
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: a lot more so JC would be up here. We

979
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: could take it right on down the line with some

980
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: of these other some of these other players, but with

981
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: him still at third, it just sort of, like I said,

982
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: it kind of clogged clogs up the drain, right, you

983
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 3: don't have that flow. So what are you going to do? Though?

984
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: And you know, gosh, I'm so tired of reading stories

985
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: not written locally. That's just you know, everyone's got Aronaudo.

986
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: Oh here's a trade. Oh, here's what, and they always

987
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: leave out little things like, oh oh yeah, he's got

988
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: a no trade clause. Oh oh yeah, he's owed about

989
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: fifty five million, fifty million if you'd subtract the Rockies money.

990
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: Maybe the other team doesn't want to pick up off

991
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: fifty million of that, maybe because they say we'll take

992
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: his defense, but not a fifty million. But everybody, I'm

993
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: just so tired of our profession. Sometimes here I'm being

994
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: the grumpy old man. That's okay, where it's kind of like,

995
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: you know what, just stop writing stuff about where you're

996
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: matchmaking Aaronato with like five teams.

997
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: You think it's nothing from this offseason. It's not that

998
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: easy exactly.

999
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: It's just And what bothers me about it is that

1000
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: there are fans who read this stuff and they think, oh, yeah, see,

1001
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 3: they could trade him to Philadelphia. See, they could trade

1002
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: him to the Dodgers. See, like it's easy. It's actually

1003
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: incredibly complex and it ain't going to happen. You think

1004
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: Bill DeWitt wants to pay off half of what they

1005
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: own to make a deal like that. I don't.

1006
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: The whole reason they wanted to trade him was to

1007
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: offload the salary, as.

1008
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 3: We know, and he's a beloved cardinal. Now he really

1009
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: is the too. And oh that's the other thing. If

1010
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: you're still in contention, you think John Mozilac is going

1011
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: to cut this team's hard up by trading Nolan Aernano. No, Katy,

1012
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: you could you become the sports media zar and just

1013
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: put an end to all this stuff?

1014
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: Uh No?

1015
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: Because no, I guess I have tried, but no one

1016
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: cares because it's much easier to write about hypotheticals and

1017
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: speculation because the truth is boring.

1018
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: So but I'm sorry about my rant.

1019
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: So that's okay, I mean you have to do.

1020
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I need we needed the rant because our beloved listeners

1021
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: haven't had one in a couple of weeks, so we'll

1022
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: be better about that.

1023
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: We got them, wed them a long episode too, so

1024
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: that I.

1025
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: Know that's my fault.

1026
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: No, I liked it because it was fine. It was

1027
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: our l to talk about. We'll up with one more.

1028
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: We'll bring this one back, Okay, play the kids for

1029
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Michael McGreevey.

1030
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: A big showdown Over the next week in the Nlcentral

1031
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: at Bush Stadium.

1032
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: Burnett will be back to recap Cardinals Reds. Disclaimer.

1033
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm only going to be there for Friday's game, but

1034
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: I will be watching from home Saturday and Sunday.

1035
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: I got some weird scheduling going on this week, so

1036
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: hopefully we are recapping another series win. Good for Oh

1037
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: Michael Graves out of this game, Riley.

1038
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, five innings, three hits, one solo homer, one run,

1039
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: one walk, five strikeouts.

1040
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: What was the pitch count?

1041
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: Hold on one second? Seventy five?

1042
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: All right, just give him fresh, but that's possible.

1043
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: Get him out of here. You got to get him

1044
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: out of here, Bertie.

1045
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: We have. We have finished up another episode of Cardinal Terror.

1046
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: As always, this was super fun and we'll get back

1047
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: to you guys all on Sunday and yeah, talk soon

1048
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Thanks Bertie, take care,