Speaker 1: Welcome in. What's drive in the Great episode three twenty
Speaker 1: nine on a busy day and after an absolutely insane
Speaker 1: for my money, last night was kind of the perfect
Speaker 1: night of playoff basketball because we had one all time
Speaker 1: game with an all time comeback and one game that
Speaker 1: was over at halftime, so I finally could get some sleep.
Speaker 1: Sweet Jesus man, I have been a zombie the last month.
Speaker 1: These games every single night, they're all good. It feels
Speaker 1: like no lead is safe. But the Oklahoma City lead
Speaker 1: over Denver, I was like, that one feels safe. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be totally honest with you. I didn't watch
Speaker 1: second half of that game. I've been locked into everything
Speaker 1: that one, went to bed early, felt good about it. Demons,
Speaker 1: welcome in. I applaud that you have not taken the
Speaker 1: Celtics jersey down. They maybe, by the way, might ask
Speaker 1: you to put it on and see if you can
Speaker 1: give them a good six minutes off the bench, because
Speaker 1: you'll at least go to the basket and so necessary.
Speaker 1: That would be necessary. Also, while the West Coast is
Speaker 1: a good place in theory to be a sports fan,
Speaker 1: nights like last night kind of a bummer because by
Speaker 1: seven pm, you're just evenings ruined. Like you could have
Speaker 1: a whole, you know, nice night in front of you,
Speaker 1: but four fifteen start, seven o'clock finish, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that sucked. So we'll get to all of that.
Speaker 1: We're going to spend a lot of time on Nick
Speaker 1: Celtics and then the other things. But first, what missed
Speaker 1: the cut? A Sue Bird has become the USA Basketball
Speaker 1: Managing director for the women's national team. Rob Blinka got
Speaker 1: one vote for Executive of the Year. By the way,
Speaker 1: I got no problem with that. Answering the phone is
Speaker 1: answering the phone. An NBA Draft lottery is Monday. The
Speaker 1: producers want me to tell you who I want to
Speaker 1: win the Cooper Flag Sweepstakes. Honestly, I want Miami to
Speaker 1: win it. I feel like Jimmy Butler did them dirty
Speaker 1: and I would like to see the Miami Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. I'm a total idiot. The Miami Heat
Speaker 1: can't win it. They could have at the end of
Speaker 1: the regular season, but since they made the playoffs, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they actually can't win it. So of the teams
Speaker 1: that can actually win it, I know I had said,
Speaker 1: I guess my answer because yeah, because Miami beat Atlanta
Speaker 1: to get to get No, I don't want him to
Speaker 1: be with these silly teams. I certainly don't want Dallas
Speaker 1: to win it. I don't know Portland. Portland could be fun.
Speaker 1: They're trying to I don't want the Spurs to win.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem fair. The the most fun one is Philly.
Speaker 1: Philly just gets a total Paul George get out of
Speaker 1: jail free card if they win it. But okay, let's
Speaker 1: get to the act news of the day, Demons, which
Speaker 1: is the fact that your team stinks.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so yesterday Game two pretty much a carbon
Speaker 2: copy of Game one. The Knicks pull off another twenty
Speaker 2: point comeback in the Celtics lose.
Speaker 1: That's I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2: To say here. It's we're still relying on the three.
Speaker 2: Seems like we didn't get less to twenty less, but
Speaker 2: still we're taking threes in spots where it's just like,
Speaker 2: go and get a bucket increased.
Speaker 1: You didn't love the Jason Tatum up seven.
Speaker 2: Jalen was on the ground, on the ground, Josh Harratt
Speaker 2: fifteen feet away. Yeah, how do you feel about the
Speaker 2: series or do you want me to go in China.
Speaker 1: Oh we can. I mean I'll go, and then we
Speaker 1: can go back and forth. The Knicks can win, and
Speaker 1: they the Knicks deserve, they deserve to be the story.
Speaker 1: But they are not the story. The Knicks deserve to
Speaker 1: have us talking about how they have gone to Boston.
Speaker 1: They have been down twenty points in the second half
Speaker 1: in both of these games. They have not played great, honestly,
Speaker 1: in either game. Yesterday, Michale Bridges is terrible for the
Speaker 1: first three quarters before being awesome. Jalen Brunson is six
Speaker 1: of nineteen in the game. With a few minutes left
Speaker 1: in the game, he had made four shots and it's
Speaker 1: not like he was getting He had made four shots
Speaker 1: and got into the free throw line once and they
Speaker 1: found a way to win. And they deserve credit for that.
Speaker 1: But the store and we will I promise we'll spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time on the Knicks, but the story
Speaker 1: is Boston. The next story is about what I said
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Planning for this moment meant for more than
Speaker 1: a year, and they're being a lot of similarities to
Speaker 1: what how Minnesota was able to beat Denver to what
Speaker 1: we are seeing with the Knicks and the Celtics. Let's
Speaker 1: table those and we will get to those shortly, because
Speaker 1: the story really is the defending champs falling apart in
Speaker 1: real time, physically and mentally. And now let me make
Speaker 1: this clear. I don't think it's over. I don't think like, oh,
Speaker 1: no chance the Celtics come back. The Celtics are talented
Speaker 1: enough and good enough obviously to win four out of
Speaker 1: five against New York. In fact, most people thought they
Speaker 1: were going to win four out of five against New York.
Speaker 1: They just thought it was gonna be the first five games.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a nice, friendly, gentleman sweep. But
Speaker 1: we are now here. Everyone's gonna focus on the three
Speaker 1: point variants, and I get it. Twenty five of one
Speaker 1: hundred from three fifteen of sixty in Game one, the
Speaker 1: exact same percentage in Game two, except they were ten
Speaker 1: of forty. I actually don't think that is that might
Speaker 1: be the biggest reason they're down. I don't think that
Speaker 1: is the biggest story surrounding them being down. The biggest
Speaker 1: story surrounding them being down is Jason Tatum. And we
Speaker 1: gave him all his flowers and all the credit for
Speaker 1: what was, without a doubt at least to my eye,
Speaker 1: the best regul season of his career. I understand he
Speaker 1: didn't even have He wasn't the best numbers. He's averaged
Speaker 1: almost exactly this many points. He's averaged twenty six point
Speaker 1: eight or twenty six point nine points three of the
Speaker 1: last four years his you know, his numbers in the
Speaker 1: one year he did and he averaged thirty. His numbers
Speaker 1: have been consistent, His field goal percentage have been consistent.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that he played more games. It was
Speaker 1: just this felt like the best Tatum year because you
Speaker 1: didn't get a great year from Jalen Brown by his standards,
Speaker 1: Horford's a year or older. You saw some real deterioration
Speaker 1: from Drew Holliday over the course of the year. And
Speaker 1: yet Tatum answered the bell on both ends of the
Speaker 1: court every night. And and this is the key piece,
Speaker 1: not the key, but one of the key pieces of it.
Speaker 1: Responded from what was a really weird few months for
Speaker 1: him where he finally wins a championship, but he's not
Speaker 1: the conference finals MVP. He's not the finals MVP. He
Speaker 1: actually plays some of his worst basketball of the season
Speaker 1: last year in the biggest games, most notably those two series,
Speaker 1: the Conference finals in NBA Finals. Still it's not like
Speaker 1: he was bad, but he just dropped a level that
Speaker 1: then was compounded by the fact that Steve Kerr, who
Speaker 1: obviously is at despite what lunatic Warrior fans would try
Speaker 1: to tell you, Steve Kerr, who obviously is one of
Speaker 1: the best and smartest basketball minds we have. Steve Kerr
Speaker 1: saw Jason Tatum in the Olympics and said, can't use you. Sorry,
Speaker 1: would love to, but actually you're not one of our
Speaker 1: eight best. And he responded to all of that with
Speaker 1: a year where he had an argument he was the
Speaker 1: third best player in the league and where there was
Speaker 1: no argument whatsoever he was one of the four best
Speaker 1: players in the league. And for that to then and
Speaker 1: then let me add another piece to it. After a
Speaker 1: kind of rocky game one of the playoffs, but who cared,
Speaker 1: they won, it was easy where he got hurt. He
Speaker 1: then came back after missing a game, averaging thirty six,
Speaker 1: eleven and six the rest of the series. It's like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, Jase, this extra level that Bill Simmons has
Speaker 1: been swearing on his children exists for years. For Jason
Speaker 1: take we're seeing it. And then in back to back games,
Speaker 1: he is twelve of forty two from the field. He
Speaker 1: is five of twenty from three. He is a total
Speaker 1: and complete non factor in the fourth quarter of these games.
Speaker 1: The only play he made last night was when the
Speaker 1: Knicks screwed up a switch and he got a wide
Speaker 1: open dunk. And now, listen, I'll just tell you what
Speaker 1: I said to Kevin Wilds when I facetimed him yesterday.
Speaker 1: And I know this is going to sound unfair, but
Speaker 1: it's just how I feel. And it's not prisoner of
Speaker 1: the moment, because I have felt this way about Tatum forever.
Speaker 1: He's an excellent player. But what I said to Wilds
Speaker 1: is I don't care if the Celtics win the next
Speaker 1: three championships, He's never going to be the best player
Speaker 1: in the league. That guy is not the best player
Speaker 1: in the league. And I don't I don't even think
Speaker 1: the reason I said that to Wilds is because he
Speaker 1: keeps trying to force the conversation of Jason Tatum's going
Speaker 1: to force us into some really tricky conversations. What do
Speaker 1: we do with the twenty seven year old with two
Speaker 1: rings and four first team All nbas and all of
Speaker 1: this what does that mean for where he is historically?
Speaker 1: And my answer to that is Tatum is an excellent player.
Speaker 1: He is not yet in the We need to evaluate
Speaker 1: his historical greatness level. And I don't know that he
Speaker 1: is going to be in that conversation. There is and
Speaker 1: I can't put my finger on it, but there's something
Speaker 1: that's just not there.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little tight in big spots, is
Speaker 2: what it seems like to me watching the games.
Speaker 1: It feels to me like if his three isn't falling,
Speaker 1: it knocks him off the rest of his game. And
Speaker 1: what is And here is the Celtics piece. And I
Speaker 1: just did Lebotard Show, and this is the point I
Speaker 1: was trying to make the Celtics bum three strategy over
Speaker 1: the long haul. Obviously, it's just a smart mathematical strategy.
Speaker 1: As sample sizes get smaller, you put yourself more at
Speaker 1: you know, the mercy of the variants, it's you know,
Speaker 1: the team that really originated this strategy was Darryl Moury's Rockets.
Speaker 1: But here's why. For Daryl Morey's Rockets it made total sense.
Speaker 1: The team they were trying to beat, the KDI STEPH Warriors,
Speaker 1: was flatly better than them, so they needed to shake
Speaker 1: up the snow globe and add some damn variants because
Speaker 1: if we just go go to the middle of the
Speaker 1: ring and trade jabs, we got no shot. So instead
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw some wild haymakers and risk getting knocked
Speaker 1: out because that's our chance. This strategy for the Celtics
Speaker 1: maybe wouldn't make sense if this were the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma City and they feel like they're better than us.
Speaker 1: All year long, they've been better, they have the better resume,
Speaker 1: they they're best players, better than our best player. They're
Speaker 1: better than us, So let's add some uncertainty to it.
Speaker 1: Up twenty points in the second half against the New
Speaker 1: York Knicks. The last thing you want is to add uncertainty.
Speaker 1: It's it's an insane It's not an insane way to play.
Speaker 1: It's insane demande not to adjust, yeah, and not to
Speaker 1: have It's a team, it's a football team that their
Speaker 1: identity is chucking it deep and up ten in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. They refuse to run the ball that and
Speaker 1: here's the other piece of it. You've got Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: He's six' eight, it's an amazing shape. He can get
Speaker 1: to the hoop, and it is it is stubbornness that
Speaker 1: at this point might cost him their title defense to
Speaker 1: lose both. And it's the first twenty point lead. I
Speaker 1: said it Tuesday. The Knicks made that a game faster
Speaker 1: than any team I can remember. It was twenty points,
Speaker 1: Boston up by twenty with five and a half left
Speaker 1: in the third, and it was a six point game
Speaker 1: with a minute left in the third. So the Knicks
Speaker 1: just in the span of ten possessions made it a game. Again.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was different in that, yes, it was twenty and
Speaker 1: then the Knicks chipped away, but was go ahead.
Speaker 2: We were holding it like we stayed out in front,
Speaker 2: in front for a minute and we just kept shooting
Speaker 2: the three, and they just kept chipping it away.
Speaker 1: It was fourteen with seven minutes left. And so I
Speaker 1: if you look at the Celtics fourth quarter shot chart,
Speaker 1: they did you know, they didn't just shoot threes. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the third quarter in Game three. But there were
Speaker 1: just these moments, most notably was the one Wilds took
Speaker 1: the picture of. But it is it's a jarring image
Speaker 1: where it is eighty six seventy seven. Is that I
Speaker 1: want to make sure I have it. I think it's
Speaker 1: yeah or the Let me try to pull out. I
Speaker 1: should just pull up Wild's tweet because it is. It's
Speaker 1: a wild decision by it's eighty six seventy nine. Pardon me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why this isn't showing me that,
Speaker 1: but regardless, don't worry about it. Oh, here's why, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I was like, I thought it was eighty
Speaker 1: six because the score. Remember, and here's a sneaky important
Speaker 1: part of the game that will be forgotten, the history.
Speaker 1: The Knicks got an extra point during a time out
Speaker 1: because they had called a Jalen Brunson three two and
Speaker 1: then they fixed it. Oh, Michale Bridges, pardon me. And
Speaker 1: so the score the scoreboard says eighty six seventy nine,
Speaker 1: but it was actually eighty six eighty and and Derek
Speaker 1: White misses a three. Michale Bridges then goes down misses
Speaker 1: a three, and Josh Hart tries to save it and
Speaker 1: starts the fast break, and all of a sudden and
Speaker 1: we can put the image up. Jason Tatum finds himself
Speaker 1: in this position. I don't think demon's a I like that.
Speaker 1: I well, I don't think I like shooting that three.
Speaker 1: If I'm the team trailing by seven, like I, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's the smarter move.
Speaker 2: I got a dunk right there because it's not recovery,
Speaker 2: like he's probably gonna try to get out.
Speaker 1: The way recovering. And by the way, it's and here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. If Jalen Brunson is upright, you might
Speaker 1: have a dunk there. Oh yeah, you're seven inches taller
Speaker 1: than him. Horford's there. You have a full head of steam.
Speaker 1: That is an impossible decision. Now you can be like, listen,
Speaker 1: what does Jason Tatum shoot on corner threes? Blah blah blah. Again,
Speaker 1: you're up You're actually up six, but you think you're
Speaker 1: up seven. It's bananas. And the very next possession, we
Speaker 1: don't have a picture of it, but Jalen Brown has
Speaker 1: an alley to the basket and he takes a pull
Speaker 1: up three. And so it's just.
Speaker 2: It is the Nicks just flatly want it more, is
Speaker 2: what it seems like.
Speaker 1: Well, they are certainly more comfortable demands if it's close late, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is undeniable. And the fact that the Knicks have
Speaker 1: now won five road playoff games and they have won
Speaker 1: them they have played five road playoff games. They are
Speaker 1: five and zero, and they have won those five games
Speaker 1: by a combined This is really unbelievable. They have won
Speaker 1: those five games by combined ten points. One in overtime.
Speaker 1: They won Game three against Detroit by two, Game four
Speaker 1: against Detroit by one, Game six against Detroit by three,
Speaker 1: Game one against Boston by three and in overtime, and
Speaker 1: Game two against Boston by one. It is uh, it
Speaker 1: is a remarkable turn of events. Got a lot of heart,
Speaker 1: So this is un I don't even think that my
Speaker 1: buddy knows I'm doing the pod right now. But my
Speaker 1: buddy Andy just texts me, if you're curious the odds
Speaker 1: of a team that shot uh, let me read this
Speaker 1: exact text real quick. Sorry, if you're curious the odds
Speaker 1: of a team that shot thirty seven percent from three
Speaker 1: over a season to shoot twenty five percent or less
Speaker 1: over one hundred shots, it's less than one percent, he writes.
Speaker 1: I'm blue an orange to the bone. But we're watching
Speaker 1: somebody flop twelve sets in a night. It's a poker turn.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad this is He's the second person that's
Speaker 1: kind of brought up poker to me in this regard,
Speaker 1: and here's my real indictment on the Celtics here. You
Speaker 1: adjust your strat as a poker player based on do
Speaker 1: I think I have a skill advantage? Okay? So let
Speaker 1: me I will try to explain something in poker terms
Speaker 1: that even if you're not a poker player, you'll understand. Okay.
Speaker 1: So let's say you're at the final table of a
Speaker 1: big tournament and you are thoroughly convinced, thoroughly convinced you're
Speaker 1: the best player at the table, okay, and there's one
Speaker 1: person there who has more chips than you, and therefore
Speaker 1: that person can knock you out. And you get in
Speaker 1: a spot where a bunch of people are you know,
Speaker 1: get their cards. Is raising. I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: do this in Gene and Eric terms. W even not
Speaker 1: a poker player, you can understand it. And you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get all your money in against this
Speaker 1: the one guy who can knock you out, and he
Speaker 1: shows you his cards, okay.
Speaker 3: And you have.
Speaker 1: As king and he has eight nine. You are about
Speaker 1: a sixty a little more than a sixty forty favorite
Speaker 1: in that spot. Shows it to you if you truly
Speaker 1: believe you have a significant skill edge on the table.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of players that in that spot
Speaker 1: would say, nah, not going to even though in the
Speaker 1: long run this is obviously wildly profitable for me if
Speaker 1: I'm a sixty forty favorite, and again that wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the math of those two exact hands. But just stick
Speaker 1: with me. That means forty percent of the time I lose.
Speaker 1: That means two out of five times I lose here.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to roll those dice when I
Speaker 1: think I can just grind you guys down. The Celtics saying,
Speaker 1: by virtue of how they're playing well in the long run,
Speaker 1: this is smart to me, underestimates what should be their
Speaker 1: decided advantages in this series. And by the way, that's
Speaker 1: not just hypothetical. They're decided advantages in this series during
Speaker 1: the games where they have built twenty point leads, and
Speaker 1: so it is. It is. It has the potential to
Speaker 1: be an all time loss. That also, and this is
Speaker 1: the part demon's and even though you're a Celtics fan,
Speaker 1: maybe you could take some solace in it also has
Speaker 1: the potential to maybe stem the tide a bit against
Speaker 1: professional basketball simply being a three point shooting contest, and
Speaker 1: I think that we if you guys go back, and
Speaker 1: we should God dogg it, it might be worth putting
Speaker 1: this clip back out there again. After the first night
Speaker 1: of the NBA season, I did like a twenty minute
Speaker 1: thought exercise on this show about how the NBA has
Speaker 1: two major problems on its hand. One was the load
Speaker 1: management stuff, but the other one was that watching three
Speaker 1: point contests is not as good of an entertainment product
Speaker 1: as the NBA we grew up with, and that even
Speaker 1: though the league is deeper than ever, more skilled than ever,
Speaker 1: in theory should be better than ever, that you potentially
Speaker 1: might need to be proactive like Baseball was against the
Speaker 1: shift and with the pitch clock and all those things,
Speaker 1: because your consumers won't love it. The Boston Celtics breaking
Speaker 1: every record for three point attempts. If they end up
Speaker 1: cruising to a championship, then until the rules change, everyone's
Speaker 1: an idiot for not playing that way. But if in
Speaker 1: the small sample size of a series the Celtics get
Speaker 1: whacked by what most people feel is a clearly inferior team,
Speaker 1: and a team, by the way, who was zero to
Speaker 1: eight this year against the Cavs and the Celtics and
Speaker 1: like one in eighteen against the best teams in basketball.
Speaker 1: Uh that whether it should or shouldn't change teams philosophies
Speaker 1: and approaches pro sports are reactionary, and I think it will,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll say it for the health of basketball.
Speaker 1: It's good if this doesn't work for Boston. And now,
Speaker 1: thirty minutes in, I want to talk about the Knicks
Speaker 1: side of things, so everyone's gonna say some of the
Speaker 1: same stuff here. Bridges defensive stops at the end of
Speaker 1: these games has been unbelievable. And the fact that the
Speaker 1: Knicks Tatum wasn't did you realize Demon's day that that
Speaker 1: was correctly graded by the scorekeepers at the end a
Speaker 1: steal and not a block because Tatum abandoned the shot
Speaker 1: and was trying to pass it to Jalen Brown. It
Speaker 1: was a steal.
Speaker 2: It was a steal and not a block. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: could see how that kind of looked like a steal
Speaker 2: because he was trying to pass it in mckill.
Speaker 1: Bridges to you, No, that's my point. In real time,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a shot that got blocked that
Speaker 1: Bridges grabbed and then threw up in the air.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I mean he tried to like turn
Speaker 2: and kick it out right.
Speaker 1: He abandoned the shot. That's the point I like in
Speaker 1: it was, I mean a brilliant defensive possessions. So people
Speaker 1: are going to talk about that Brunton obviously, I mean
Speaker 1: just more than earning his Clutch Player of the Year
Speaker 1: award night after night after night. Uh, Karl Anthony towns
Speaker 1: Is stretch in the second quarter when he was the
Speaker 1: only Nick doing anything, when this thing could have gotten
Speaker 1: totally away from him, might get forgotten. A bit to history.
Speaker 1: And one other thing that I will focus on even
Speaker 1: if no one else will. Joe Mizzoula going to the
Speaker 1: hack of Mitchell Robinson's strategy when the team had two
Speaker 1: team fouls and putting the Knicks in the bonus without
Speaker 1: ever getting Mitch Robinson into the free throw line. I
Speaker 1: thought was one of the bigger coaching mistakes of his
Speaker 1: career up to this point. Just strategically, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It was as if the Knicks were gonna be caught
Speaker 1: sleeping and pull Mitchell Robinson out before you got into
Speaker 1: the bonus, which they almost did, but they didn't, or
Speaker 1: he thought they would just leave him in once you
Speaker 1: were in the bone. I don't know what he thought,
Speaker 1: but that was a mistake. But the story for the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks, and this was, if I can give
Speaker 1: myself a little credit, something I talked about on the
Speaker 1: pod and TV show Tuesday and Willigan Today is a
Speaker 1: story of different objectives. Yes, of course the Knicks want
Speaker 1: to win a championship, but they did not build a
Speaker 1: team with that being the singular goal. They built a
Speaker 1: team to beat Boston, with the logic being the only
Speaker 1: chance we have of winning a championship is if we
Speaker 1: can beat Boston. We can't rely on being on opposite
Speaker 1: sides of the bracket and someone else beating them, or
Speaker 1: injuries or whatever. We are going to have to go
Speaker 1: through Boston. So we trade for og Ananobi, We trade
Speaker 1: for Michale Bridges. Now we have long, switchable, defensive minded
Speaker 1: wings for Brown and Tatum. We move off Julius Randall
Speaker 1: and maybe just as importantly, Dante DiVincenzo to bring in
Speaker 1: Carl Anthony Towns so we can match some of their
Speaker 1: offensive firepower. And so if they want to play with
Speaker 1: a big, a seven footer who can shoot, in Chris STAPs,
Speaker 1: we got a seven footer who can shoot even better
Speaker 1: than Karl Anthony Towns. They built a team, well, yes,
Speaker 1: and and that, and we'll get to that. They built
Speaker 1: a team to beat Boston, just like Minnesota hired away
Speaker 1: the guy who built the Nuggets, who to then build
Speaker 1: a team to beat the Nuggets. And then when the
Speaker 1: Nuggets were defending champs in round two and everyone thought
Speaker 1: they were cruising to the finals, they ran into a
Speaker 1: team no one really believed in, and that team who
Speaker 1: was built to beat them, not necessarily to win a title,
Speaker 1: as they got clocked in the next round, built to
Speaker 1: beat Denver, went to Denver and took game one and
Speaker 1: then shocked everyone and took game two as well. Now
Speaker 1: they ended up losing the next three, but they won
Speaker 1: the series anyway. The folks who run the Knicks looked
Speaker 1: at their biggest hurdle to making the first finals, making
Speaker 1: the first conference finals and the first NBA finals the
Speaker 1: franchises made this century and said it to Boston, said
Speaker 1: all right, we'll build our version and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: this added bonus. We're not going to be quite as
Speaker 1: talented man for man, and our coach isn't going to
Speaker 1: be one coach is the ultimate new school coach, and
Speaker 1: the other coach is the ultimate old school coach. Our
Speaker 1: coach isn't going to have the analytical bent and edge
Speaker 1: Boston's does. But here's what we are going to have
Speaker 1: an absolutely fearless end of game guy, and you guys
Speaker 1: don't have it. And now I was talking about how
Speaker 1: the Knicks just needed to get one more after winning
Speaker 1: Game one in the next three to guarantee themselves they're
Speaker 1: getting a game six at home. Now Boston's got to
Speaker 1: get two of the next three in order to make
Speaker 1: sure this series isn't over before game six. And that
Speaker 1: is a shocking turn of events. And by the way,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what to do with this series, where like
Speaker 1: the Knicks are the favorite in the series, but the
Speaker 1: Celtics are still the favorite in the conference. Like this
Speaker 1: is a weird spot because nobody thought we'd be in
Speaker 1: this spot. All right, you wanted to talk about Porzingis,
Speaker 1: so go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's been am i with some type of
Speaker 2: sickness that's messing with his stamina. How does that affect
Speaker 2: our chances? You think with him being in and out
Speaker 2: of the lineup.
Speaker 1: So the Porzingis thing is bizarre and you feel terribly
Speaker 1: for the guy. I mean, this is why he missed
Speaker 1: time weeks ago, and so I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not the flu. It's not
Speaker 1: and clearly they can't figure it out. But this is
Speaker 1: a huge loss for them, a huge loss, and it
Speaker 1: also everything matters, and even if they are able to
Speaker 1: get through this series, which right now my pick would
Speaker 1: be the next I don't think it's over, but right
Speaker 1: now I think that my pick would be the next.
Speaker 1: These extra miles on Horford, Yeah, are tough for one
Speaker 1: of the oldest players in the league who's now pushed
Speaker 1: into the starting lineup. In all of that, so that
Speaker 1: you know, that's another issue. Let me before we move on, Demons,
Speaker 1: where's your confidence level and what adjustments do you want
Speaker 1: Boston to make.
Speaker 2: I think we'll win the series, and I'd like to
Speaker 2: I'd like to just take what the defense has given
Speaker 2: us and and just kind of take note of what's
Speaker 2: happened in the last two games and just want it more.
Speaker 2: And when you when you have the twenty point lead,
Speaker 2: you know, do your best to keep that twenty point lead.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I this is it's just it's we're
Speaker 2: playing with some some competitive energy. It just it just
Speaker 2: seems like the Knicks are just flying around and the
Speaker 2: Celtics are just relying on their pedigree.
Speaker 1: And it also, yes, the Celtics feel right now a
Speaker 1: little lase fair about it, which is so weird. All right,
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Speaker 1: All right, demanse, let's get to this other stuff. I
Speaker 1: said that I could have done the whole pod just
Speaker 1: on Nicks Celtics, but there are other stories we must
Speaker 1: get to, So go ahead.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So you decided to jump on the Denver bandwagon,
Speaker 2: and they followed that with a forty five or forty
Speaker 2: two point loss. I can't remember which one it is,
Speaker 2: maybe you should jump the ship so things start winning again.
Speaker 1: Russ was there?
Speaker 2: Lee, Okay, so you couldn't miss any shots. Do you
Speaker 2: think the first game was more telling or do you
Speaker 2: think this last game was more of how it's going
Speaker 2: to be?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I jumping on the Denver bandwagon is maybe
Speaker 1: a touch strong. I maybe yes. I have said since
Speaker 1: the Lakers got eliminated that my pick to when the
Speaker 1: title is Oklahoma City, and that's not really a sexy pick.
Speaker 1: They are the they are now might in fact, let
Speaker 1: me look, this will be a fun thing to do
Speaker 1: real quick. What are the Thunder now minus money favorites?
Speaker 1: This is something the championship? Yeah, so here's here's something
Speaker 1: Folks get wrong a lot. They don't know that odds
Speaker 1: on favorite is different than just being the favorite. So
Speaker 1: odds on favorite means that you're minus money, that you're
Speaker 1: priced at a greater than fifty percent chance to win.
Speaker 1: So right now on DraftKings, Nope, the Thunder are not
Speaker 1: yet minus money, but they are. They are plus one thirty.
Speaker 1: Boston is plus three ten, the Calves are plus eight
Speaker 1: point fifty, the Timberwolves are ten to one, the Knicks
Speaker 1: thirteen to one, the Pacers fifteen to one, the Nuggets
Speaker 1: seventeen to one, and the Warriors twenty five to one.
Speaker 2: Knocked at the Warriors having the least.
Speaker 1: Odds, Well, that is to me, Uh.
Speaker 2: They're saying curries, They're they're going to be screwed without him?
Speaker 1: Is but yes, that is that is the the essentially
Speaker 1: the Warriors therket place saying maybe Steph will come back.
Speaker 1: We don't want to write them off. Like but what
Speaker 1: I do find so fascinating about it is that it
Speaker 1: feels to me, with eight teams left, you could make
Speaker 1: a credible case for any of the eight teams to
Speaker 1: win a championship. And that is that's really unlike anything
Speaker 1: I can quite remember. Okay, so there, so there's that.
Speaker 1: Now to answer the game about last night. About last night,
Speaker 1: I don't think either game is really indicative of the series.
Speaker 1: But I think Game one is more indicative, not because
Speaker 1: the Nuggets are gonna win it, but because Game one
Speaker 1: was evidence of any game the Nuggets are going to
Speaker 1: have a real chance. Jokers going to have to be transcendent.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 1: That is the in my opinion, the real story here.
Speaker 1: And the thunder who hadn't faced you know, they've won
Speaker 1: two playoff series together as a group. The only real
Speaker 1: adversity they faced in games that mattered was last year
Speaker 1: against Dallas and Luca got the better of them for
Speaker 1: the Thunders. For the Thunder to come out and score
Speaker 1: an NBA record eighty seven first half points and just
Speaker 1: absolutely annihilate Denver, to me, was a reminder of how
Speaker 1: good this team is when it is firing on all cylins.
Speaker 2: How much do you think Denver let their foot off
Speaker 2: the gas? You know, feel uncomfortable? They stole that game one,
Speaker 2: so right, It's.
Speaker 1: Not so much they let their foot off the gas.
Speaker 1: It's that I think they went into the game peak motivation,
Speaker 1: and when the Thunder hit them with haymakers, then they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: tonight's not our night. And that's, by the way, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Like the it's now whenever you're yeah, whenever you're the
Speaker 1: inferior team, what you want to do is just keep
Speaker 1: shortening the series. And so now it's not a best
Speaker 1: of seven, it's a best of five now, and Denver
Speaker 1: as home court, Like that's how they that's how they
Speaker 1: have to look at it is. It's now a best
Speaker 1: of five. It's first to three, and we've got three
Speaker 1: of the five games in our building. And so now
Speaker 1: are they going to go back to Oklahoma City Denver
Speaker 1: that is up three to one. No, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's realistic at all. What I do think
Speaker 1: is Denver's goal is to then make it a best
Speaker 1: of three, and have you know they won't to have
Speaker 1: home court that in that scenario, make it a best
Speaker 1: of three, get it back at two to two, and
Speaker 1: then hope that somehow it can become a best of
Speaker 1: one game seven. And so Oklahoma City has the highest
Speaker 1: s of any team in the league. I think they've
Speaker 1: demonstrated that. And they are now seventy three and fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good, all right, Let's get on go on
Speaker 1: to Warriors two Wolves.
Speaker 2: Warriors won Game one on the road without Steph. I
Speaker 2: think he went out like eight minutes left in the
Speaker 2: second quarter. They still pulled it off. I think he
Speaker 2: suffered a hamstring strain. It's going to be out at
Speaker 2: least a week. Do you give the Doves any chance
Speaker 2: to win without Steph?
Speaker 1: No? And I thought that was a great win by them,
Speaker 1: And I thought Steve Kerr was brilliant and playing thirteen
Speaker 1: guys adjusting on the fly and Buddy Heald. Like these
Speaker 1: last two games with Buddy Heeld, it reminds you of
Speaker 1: how great the Warriors were when they had prime Klay Thompson.
Speaker 1: Because the last two games Buddy Heild has been prime
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson. It's been really it's just impressive.
Speaker 2: Did you give them no chance to win this series?
Speaker 1: If Steph is out? Call it?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is seven more days? Is the series
Speaker 2: over by then?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: They the Warriors could lose like one game.
Speaker 1: The earliest he could be back, realistically is game six
Speaker 1: because they play tonight Saturday, so that's game Uh so
Speaker 1: let me do it like this. They already played game one.
Speaker 1: Tonight is Game two, Saturday is Game three, Monday is
Speaker 1: Game four. Wednesday is game five. Then they don't play
Speaker 1: Did I do that wrong? They play Thursday, Sat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did do that. No, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: then the next game is Sunday. I think the if
Speaker 1: the Knicks.
Speaker 2: Can go out there and do that to the Celtics
Speaker 2: and win the second game, I think the Warriors can
Speaker 2: go back and beat them.
Speaker 1: Without Steph Curry. But it's just I just don't listen.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think Jimmy's been good but not unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Bud keep hitting. Yes, I don't. I think Buddy healed
Speaker 1: is you know, going to regress more to the mean there?
Speaker 1: And uh, I also think and this was do you
Speaker 1: guys remember when the Lakers went down three to one
Speaker 1: to Minnesota and I came on here and said, I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily the series is over. It obviously was,
Speaker 1: but the Lakers' title hopes are done. And the reason
Speaker 1: I said was because now the only way to get
Speaker 1: out of Round one is they have to play every
Speaker 1: other day, win a Game seven, and then start a
Speaker 1: series where they're playing every other day for the entirety
Speaker 1: of it, basically, and there are too old and too
Speaker 1: thin of a team in order for that to be
Speaker 1: an effective path. Essentially, that is now where the Warriors
Speaker 1: are and you saw it immediately. Bite Steph, a player
Speaker 1: who has never had a hamstring injury in his life,
Speaker 1: ended up having to play every other day against that
Speaker 1: Rockets defense running around like that. Windy said that since
Speaker 1: they've started tracking, this Game seven against Houston was the
Speaker 1: most like mileage Steph has run on the court in
Speaker 1: a game in his career, and a quarter and a
Speaker 1: half into the next game, he suffers his first ever
Speaker 1: hamstring injury. Like that, every game matters, and the Warriors
Speaker 1: kind of punted game five against Houston and then let
Speaker 1: go of the rope in the fourth quarter of Game six,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they find themselves in a
Speaker 1: Game seven. And then all of a sudden, you find
Speaker 1: yourself two days later playing in a Game one, and
Speaker 1: even though you win it, that's the ultimate when the
Speaker 1: battle lose the war. And so no, I listen, I
Speaker 1: think the Timberwolves, we're talking about three point regression with
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Timberwolves are now like twelve of seventy over
Speaker 1: their last two games or something insane. And so I
Speaker 1: don't I think that when we get to Game five
Speaker 1: it's gonna be three to one. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be I think the Minnesota is gonna win. The next
Speaker 1: three is the short version of it, and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be three to one going back to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: And here's the other piece. They ruled Steph out a
Speaker 1: week immediately, so game six is the earliest hea could
Speaker 1: come back. That's probably not realistic. But even if he
Speaker 1: is back for Game six. Are you gonna get a
Speaker 1: fully healthy, fully functional Steff I don't know, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think though, I think the Warriors are done. I
Speaker 1: think Kur has done a great job. I think Jimmy's
Speaker 1: been good and Draymond the last two games. To go
Speaker 1: along with what had been great defense, he actually provided
Speaker 1: some offensive punch. I don't think any of that's sustainable.
Speaker 1: What are your follow ups here? A couple of Aunt
Speaker 1: follow ups.
Speaker 2: So Chris Finch, head coach, came out and said, we
Speaker 2: had one and a half one point in the first half.
Speaker 2: You're the leader of the team and you've got to
Speaker 2: come out and set the tone. If your SHOT's not going,
Speaker 2: you still have to carry the energy. Yeah. How do
Speaker 2: you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I so Chris Finch is not afraid to kind
Speaker 1: of call out his star player, and Aunt clearly disagreed
Speaker 1: with him. Ant said, you know, I thought I just
Speaker 1: my shot wasn't falling. I was still there on defense.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Finch has done a really good job.
Speaker 1: I also think that I it wouldn't make sense for
Speaker 1: Aunt to be tired. They only played five against the Lakers.
Speaker 1: It's only round two. He's twenty three years old. We
Speaker 1: did see last year he said he got exhausted by
Speaker 1: the conference finals. I am not yet ready to say
Speaker 1: I think that is happening. I am ready to say
Speaker 1: it is something to monitor. But I think Ant's gonna
Speaker 1: come out and be outstanding tonight, and you know, he
Speaker 1: finally hit some shots and he'll be fine. So I'm
Speaker 1: not panicked about that. And I also am not as
Speaker 1: angry at Aunt for the laughing about the three point shooting.
Speaker 1: Brew was pissed. Brew was like, he's gotta be more serious.
Speaker 1: I just think Ant is so overly confident, that is
Speaker 1: so incredibly competent. I should say that sometimes he feels
Speaker 1: like everything's gonna be fine, and that can be a
Speaker 1: gift and a curse. I think he'll be fine. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's quickly get to the other series. Let's quickly get
Speaker 1: to the other series.
Speaker 2: The Pacers have stolen two now at home in the
Speaker 2: Calves building. That overrated poll came out of the perfect
Speaker 2: time for Haller Burdon. The Calves have some injuries going on.
Speaker 2: Garland's been out for the last two, Mobley and Hunter
Speaker 2: miss game two, Mitchell showing out. Though we have forty
Speaker 2: eight points. How do you feel about the what's the
Speaker 2: Cavs situation.
Speaker 1: I think they might be booked. I don't think a sweep,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how you can recover from that
Speaker 1: type of loss. Donovan Mitchell scores forty eight. Donovan Mitchell Now,
Speaker 1: by the way, complete list of NBA players who have
Speaker 1: multiple forty eight plus point playoff games that they lost,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Lebron, James, Donovan Mitchell. That's the list. Donovan
Speaker 1: has scored forty eight, fifty and fifty seven in playoff losses.
Speaker 1: But to melt the way they did where you're up seven,
Speaker 1: here's another crazy one for you, Demanse. Since they've been
Speaker 1: tracking this since ninety seven in the playoffs, as of
Speaker 1: a week ago, teams down seven in the final minute
Speaker 1: were one and one thousand, one hundred and sixty or something.
Speaker 1: The only team that had ever come back from seven
Speaker 1: down in the playoffs in the final minute was Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City in twenty fourteen against lob City when Chris Paul
Speaker 1: tried to draw a foul in the backcourt like launched
Speaker 1: a sixty footer because he was trying to get a
Speaker 1: shooting foul on it. They didn't call the foul, and
Speaker 1: it kind of snow on them. The Pacers have done
Speaker 1: it twice in a week. It had been done once. Ever,
Speaker 1: the Baser has done it twice in a week to
Speaker 1: the Bucks to eliminate them in the Tyres slash John
Speaker 1: Halliburton game, and then this past game and the Cavs
Speaker 1: couldn't get the ball past half court. Those plus the injuries,
Speaker 1: I mean, that kind of trauma, that sports trauma plus
Speaker 1: the injuries might just kill them. That might just be
Speaker 1: all she wrote. And so I I think that. I
Speaker 1: also think that if Pacers fans are saying, guys, we
Speaker 1: made the conference finals last year and we took Boston
Speaker 1: to overtime and then Tyrese Halliburton got injured and missed
Speaker 1: the rest of the series like we were, nobody takes
Speaker 1: this seriously. I understand the first stration if they feel
Speaker 1: that way, but I just think the injuries now are
Speaker 1: too much, and I will take it one step further,
Speaker 1: and again Pacers fans are going to be pissed. I
Speaker 1: think the winner of Boston New York is going to
Speaker 1: go to the NBA Finals, which means I guess by proxy,
Speaker 1: since I just said I think the Knicks are gonna
Speaker 1: win the series. I think the Knicks are going to
Speaker 1: be playing in the NBA Finals. That's crazy. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: You think you think it's you think I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: You just jumping ship to ship. They're all sinking. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the New York Knicks ship is going to think.
Speaker 1: As well, what do you mean jumping ship to ship?
Speaker 1: I mean Lakers?
Speaker 2: And then okay, well I guess about divers making the finals? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: it was Lakers.
Speaker 1: Your Knicks, no, no, no, no, no, hold on to
Speaker 1: win the championship. I was Lakers, yes, and now okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: nixt to go all right? They got to play someone
Speaker 1: in the finals. I was Boston. But your team doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to shoot a layup or they're allergic to it.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's quickly do an NFL thing before we
Speaker 1: get to listener questions.
Speaker 2: Cowboys made a move on George Pickens, wide receiver from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: So Pickens is on a contract here, and we know
Speaker 2: he's had some some character things in the past, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call them. Where do you think the
Speaker 2: chances are the chances are this going wrong in Dallas?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I don't think it's necessarily going to go
Speaker 1: wrong as much as I just don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a wildly impactful I think that I think Pickens
Speaker 1: is a fine player. I think he's a little overrated
Speaker 1: because his highlights are so great, and I think you'd
Speaker 1: be insane to pay him early, and so I would
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be pissed that he's not gonna get
Speaker 1: paid early. And if you don't pay him early, you
Speaker 1: traded a third round pick for a rental, which, also,
Speaker 1: given where Dallas is, that seems odd like it's just
Speaker 1: not a move I would make. Like I think there
Speaker 1: are certain guys that are just not really winning or quality,
Speaker 1: like the juice is not worth the squeeze. I think
Speaker 1: he's one of them, and I think that he obviously
Speaker 1: has this massive talent, but he fell in the draft
Speaker 1: because he's such a pain in the ass. Pittsburgh was
Speaker 1: shopping him a year into his career because he's a
Speaker 1: pain in the ass, and he was only worth a
Speaker 1: third round pick because he's a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: And so you add to all that that, I know
Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, now he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: getting doubled like he was in Pittsburgh. Man. Some wide
Speaker 1: receivers like being the number two option because they see
Speaker 1: softer coverages. Some wide receivers are like, I just want
Speaker 1: ten targets a game, and so all of that, all
Speaker 1: of that concerns me in a significant way. All Right,
Speaker 1: A reminder, do you guys like rate? Subscribe, review on YouTube, iTunes, Spotify,
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Speaker 1: we get to today's. My big crow is listening from Croatia.
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Speaker 1: Demons from Tuesday.
Speaker 2: If you had to start one bench one and cut
Speaker 2: one of these three players, what would be your order? Joker, Luca,
Speaker 2: and Yannis.
Speaker 1: Well that's a kind of unfair. Listen. You guys know
Speaker 1: how much I love Luca and how great I think
Speaker 1: he is. But of the you picked the two guys
Speaker 1: in the league better than him, So I mean the
Speaker 1: answer has to be you start Joker, you bench, be honest,
Speaker 1: and you cut Luca. But if you did a start
Speaker 1: bench cut with literally any other group of players and Luca,
Speaker 1: Luca would be my starter. But if you're the third
Speaker 1: best and three best players in the league and he's third,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's what the answer is.
Speaker 2: Bronson, Bronson that level yet, go ahead, But Danny says
Speaker 2: it feels like the search for the face of the
Speaker 2: league has become irrelevant. Do you think we should stop
Speaker 2: trying to force the issue and just enjoy the game?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think any I mean, I don't mind
Speaker 1: the conversation. I don't think there's any real forcing of
Speaker 1: the issue, and it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game.
Speaker 1: So that's not a problem, all right.
Speaker 2: Next one, negative four and two if the Nuggets make
Speaker 2: it to the conference finals, when Nicola Yo could secure
Speaker 2: the head coaching job and didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, he is doing a nice little player
Speaker 1: coach job, which I've enjoyed watching.
Speaker 2: Let's get to today's all right, So Eu a thunder
Speaker 2: here says about Boston chucking threes is the lazy way
Speaker 2: of playing the game. Hopefully this will send ripples through
Speaker 2: the league and resent this ugly.
Speaker 1: Tree said this. Listen, I I don't enjoy watching it
Speaker 1: as much as I enjoy different kind of diverse styles
Speaker 1: of play, So that that is my hope to a
Speaker 1: degree that this at least stems the tide a bit.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ryan.
Speaker 2: Can you remember a more surprising conference finals than the
Speaker 2: potential Nicks versus Pacers series.
Speaker 1: It's very, very rare that both teams are a surprise.
Speaker 1: It was a surprise last year the Pacers made it,
Speaker 1: you know a few years ago. It was to me
Speaker 1: a real big surprise when uh, the Blazers made it.
Speaker 1: I think some would argue last year's Western Conference Finals
Speaker 1: Dallas Minnesota was shocking. But I had picked Dallas from
Speaker 1: the beginning, so that didn't shock me, but I think
Speaker 1: it probably did shock the world to a degree. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Adrian.
Speaker 2: Adrian, are we gonna Are we gonna talk about how
Speaker 2: Yo Kich really has been very turnover prone and lacking
Speaker 2: his usual efficiency for the last four to five games.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, so listen, I think that is a slight overstatement.
Speaker 1: So if you just go to Joker's game log, he
Speaker 1: had the one game what game was it? It was
Speaker 1: game like ten. He had seven in one of either
Speaker 1: game two or three against the Clippers, And I said, listen, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Game two against the Clippers. He had seven turnovers,
Speaker 1: only it was eight of sixteen from the field. So
Speaker 1: what I think he's talking about is this Game five
Speaker 1: against the Clippers, he was four of thirteen, but they
Speaker 1: won in a blowout. Game seven against the Clippers he
Speaker 1: was six to fourteen, but with five turnovers that they
Speaker 1: won in a blowout. It is true that what's you
Speaker 1: gonna call that? Zubos has given Joker trouble. Now the
Speaker 1: these two games in this series, he has seven and
Speaker 1: six turnovers. Yesterday and he had six fouls and he
Speaker 1: never got into the game and the refs seemed to
Speaker 1: be bothering him yesterday. Obviously, Joker didn't play well. No
Speaker 1: one on the team played well. I didn't focus on
Speaker 1: the seven turnovers in game one because he did that
Speaker 1: along with forty two, twenty two and six in beating
Speaker 1: the one seed, So so listen, he five plus turnovers
Speaker 1: obviously too many, But I think his efficiency will be
Speaker 1: higher this series than it was last series, when he
Speaker 1: was exactly at fifty percent from the field still forty
Speaker 1: five percent from three, because I don't think hartensteiner Chet
Speaker 1: can give him the same problems Zubats can. All right,
Speaker 1: I gotta run. Great job, Demond's a great job. Blewe duck,
Speaker 1: great job volume. I'll see you guys on the TV
Speaker 1: show at three and then I'm actually also doing Collins
Speaker 1: Pod later tonight, So busy day for me. See you
Speaker 1: guys there. We'll train