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Speaker 1: Voice News. And Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and their families here,

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Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving greetings to Erin and Fran holding it down

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Speaker 1: there's four house races in Virginia and New Jersey that

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Speaker 1: Democrats right now is five next year. But I'm worried

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Speaker 1: you lose control of the House. It's game over for

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Speaker 1: the Trump agenda, right codifying all those executive orders, getting

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Speaker 1: going to pull urgent. All hands on deck, get Epstein

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Speaker 1: But I want to welcome our first guests in right now.

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Speaker 1: He's a nationally syndicated radio talk show host of the

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Speaker 1: Truth with John Gordon.

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Speaker 2: John, how's it going? Happy Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: Fantastic David, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, great to great to have you, great to meet you.

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Speaker 1: And I know we've kind of run in the similar

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Speaker 1: circles over the years. I know you covered the primaries

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Speaker 1: with doctor Oz in Pennsylvania. I was there on election night,

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Speaker 1: on primary night, but we made to meet.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a somber crowd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think there was a lot of issues,

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Speaker 1: you know, going on, right, you know, needed more money,

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Speaker 1: a couple other issues. But let's talk about what's going

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Speaker 2: Tell us about what's going on with FEMA.

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Speaker 3: Well, you've got this congresswoman named Sheila Sheffalus McCormick, and

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Speaker 3: she and her brother provided government services through FEMA during COVID.

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Speaker 3: She actually was running a vaccine program for which they

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Speaker 3: were paid millions of dollars. And interestingly, her company was

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Speaker 3: overpaid five million dollars. Well, she forgot to mention that

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Speaker 3: to anyone. She pocketed the money and then put it

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Speaker 3: it just seems to me, Dave and this is not

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Speaker 3: a partisan statement. The truth will set you free. This

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Speaker 3: is a repeated, consistent practice of the Democrats. I lost

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Speaker 3: Stacey Abrams two billion dollars and she's got ninety thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars in coaster ovens to show for it. I'm really

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Speaker 3: concerned about this federal government, which frankly, I say every

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you're wrong about that. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, as there is corruption on both sides. There's

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Speaker 1: a stock market scandal going on in Congress. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: look at this thing blowing up in Stacy Plaskett's face.

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Speaker 1: Jeffries going after Epstein money after he was convicted, right,

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett falsely accusing Lee Zelden of taking donations from

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Speaker 1: Jeff Epstein. But it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein the PA.

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Speaker 3: It was Jeff Epstein. It was just not the same one.

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Speaker 3: We've been this dominating the news for the last six

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Speaker 1: Actually, tell us about what you see going on on

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the Democrats really got snookerd. You know.

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Speaker 3: Trump said, no, you remember that. It was in the

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Speaker 3: cabinet meeting and he said, what you're still talking about Epstein?

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Speaker 3: Why are you continuing to talk about that low life

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Speaker 3: finding out that Hakim Jeffries took money from the Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: visited Epst. Dean Island, of course, no, none fewer than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Bill Clinton's got this sordid pass right chasing

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Speaker 2: He had sex with her and the bushes, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the Danny Williams thing with maybe the

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Speaker 1: So you know, you know, I think the jury is

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how much we're going to gain

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Speaker 3: I will tell you what we have to gain out

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Speaker 3: as I said, our federal government is rotten to its core.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the American people are really interested as

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Speaker 3: know what the list is going to prove. My fear

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Speaker 3: went to Epstein Island or road on these airplane but

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Speaker 3: just happened to be in these rolodecks. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think you run a very bad risk of dragging good people.

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Speaker 2: Down Trump's yearning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ruining their.

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Speaker 3: Marriages and their lives and their careers because their name

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you why. The American people are not

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Speaker 3: rat is intelligence, the CIA, PASAD six. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but you know I'm sick of it. I'm right now

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting in Dallas, Texas to commemorate the sixty second

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Speaker 3: is now pretty evident that our own government, Alan Dallis,

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Speaker 3: Lyndon Johnson, and Jay Edgar Hoover conspired. They call it, Oh,

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Speaker 3: you're a conspiratorialist. Yeah, well, I wonder why, because it

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Speaker 3: was a mammoth conspiracy that involved the CIA, the mob,

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Speaker 3: But anyone who bothers to take the time and actually

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Speaker 3: look do the work. James Douglas, Roger Stone, David Talbot,

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Speaker 3: those are the unspeakable. By Douglas the Men, the Case

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Speaker 2: No, I understand, and I get it. You know.

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Speaker 1: One thing that really just boggles my mind is that,

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Speaker 3: Well, there's there's so much sketchy stuff about John Brennan.

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Speaker 3: over Crossfire, Hurricane. They lied to Congress, they lied to

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Speaker 1: John Gordon, Where can people follow you and listen to

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Speaker 3: Well, we're all over social media on the typical sites Facebook, Live, YouTube,

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Speaker 3: They're all there, all the past episodes are there.

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Speaker 2: Well, say hello to John for me.

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Speaker 1: I just saw him at the White House a month

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Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody gets into town safe. Thank god the shutdowns over.

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Speaker 5: Sure, well, then go to my website. I've had it

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Speaker 2: All right, Ken Abramowitz, look forward to your expertise.

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Speaker 1: We'll have you back. Thank you, and enjoy your holiday

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine, like, why aren't these people, One is

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Speaker 7: an alarming video without actually putting any details to it

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Speaker 1: Sure are any Democrats speaking out against what they did?

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Speaker 5: I thought.

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Speaker 7: I haven't seen many Democrats speak out in opposition to

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Speaker 7: what the lawmakers said, But I have seen Democrats come

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Speaker 7: out against the President, who in response to this video

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Speaker 7: actually accused them of treason and seditioned and said they

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Speaker 7: should be tried and potentially killed for it. And so

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Speaker 7: there has been The president's response was so bombastic in

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Speaker 7: his usual form that it actually spurred some of the

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Speaker 7: Democrats to rally around this group of Democrats to further

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Speaker 7: criticize the president's response.

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Speaker 2: Is Trump wrong? You know? I mean, I've never heard

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Speaker 2: anything like this in my life.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a very complex issue because we don't

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Speaker 7: know exactly what they were referring.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, and so I'm sure there was so much

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Speaker 6: for interpretation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, tell us about yourself, Mike, and tell us about

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Speaker 1: your coverage.

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Speaker 2: Are you in the Pentagon and what are you doing

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Speaker 2: down in DC?

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Speaker 7: So I cover the military national security for the Examiner.

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Speaker 7: I was a credential Pentagon reporter. I was one of

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Speaker 7: the I was among the group that did not sign

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Speaker 7: the document, And so I'm still covering the Pentagon, just

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Speaker 7: from slightly further away, and we continue to tell the

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Speaker 7: stories of service members and the decision makers at the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe down there in the first week of December,

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Speaker 1: I will see.

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Speaker 2: But so many issues going on. Tell us about some

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Speaker 2: other things.

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Speaker 1: Anything concerning you, any theaters heating up Venezuela, what else

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Speaker 1: is cooking?

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Speaker 7: So I think all eyes are right now on Venezuela

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Speaker 7: because the US continues to carry out these strikes on

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Speaker 7: these drug vessels, but they haven't shown or at least

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Speaker 7: evidence to prove that they're drugs on these boats or

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Speaker 7: identified who they'd killed in these strikes. And then I

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Speaker 7: think it should be noted, and I think it's very

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Speaker 7: important to point out the fact that the current navy

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Speaker 7: build up in the Western hemisphere right now is the

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Speaker 7: largest we've seen for decades.

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Speaker 6: And so from the people I've.

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Speaker 7: Spoken with, the US military presence bar exceeds what would

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Speaker 7: be needed to carry out these drug strike or these

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Speaker 7: boat strikes, these operations. And so between that belief and

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Speaker 7: the president's own remarks about Venezuelan leader Nicholas Maduro, it

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Speaker 7: raises the question of whether these drone strikes on boats

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Speaker 7: is the entire of the mission or if there could

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Speaker 7: be a larger goal in mine, the goal being the

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Speaker 7: ouster of Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, the Gerald Ford is down there right

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Speaker 1: now and listen for me, and I get the terror

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Speaker 1: related thing. You know, I've been all over the country

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Speaker 1: following the Trump campaign, and you know, people are dying

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Speaker 1: in the streets of America. Manchester, New Hampshire, ten percent

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Speaker 1: of the population was overdosing every year, you know, So

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Speaker 1: you know, I get it, and but for me, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather interdiction and capture the boats and you know, and

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Speaker 1: then figure it out from there. But I guess they're

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Speaker 1: trying to send a message. But I'm more concerned about Columbia.

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Speaker 1: They're producing more cocaine than ever. Is this going to

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Speaker 1: bleed over into Colombia.

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Speaker 7: So I think you raise a very good point, which

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Speaker 7: is about cocaine. Most of the drugs that come from

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Speaker 7: Venezuela are cocaine that is produced in Colombia, as you mentioned.

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Speaker 7: And so the drug that kills the most Americans every

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Speaker 7: year is fentanyl, which actually comes from Mexico through China.

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Speaker 7: And so China has what are called precursor chemicals which

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Speaker 7: they then stip to Mexican drug cartels which then use

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Speaker 7: those precursors and some technology that they have to effectively

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Speaker 7: manufacture fetanyl that is then smuggled by land into the

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Speaker 7: United States.

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Speaker 6: And so I believe the statistic was two years ago.

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Speaker 7: About fifty thousand Americans died stolely from feentanyl overdoses. So

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Speaker 7: fetanyl is by far the most potent drug that is

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Speaker 7: widely available on ILLSA markets, and it's not coming from

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Speaker 7: Venezuela where these strikes are happening or off Venezuela and coasts.

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Speaker 6: And so it.

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Speaker 7: Shows that the administration has talked about carrying out strikes

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Speaker 7: on these Mexican drug cartel fentanyl labs, but we haven't

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Speaker 7: seen it yet. And I think a big reason we

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Speaker 7: haven't to this point is because the Trump administration actually

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Speaker 7: has a pretty good working relationship with the Mexican government,

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Speaker 7: whereas alternatively they view Nicholas Mandora as the head of

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Speaker 7: the snake in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and all right, do you know anything about what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Mexico. I know there was like an uprising,

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Speaker 1: there was a big demonstration against the cartels.

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Speaker 2: I believe in Mexico City.

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Speaker 1: They're not happy with Shinebaum's response, Claudia Shinebaum, the President

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Speaker 1: of Mexico, saying it was illegal to go after the

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Speaker 1: cartels or something. Can you shed any light on that?

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Speaker 7: So Mexican President Claudia Shambayin is in a very difficult

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Speaker 7: position because she wants to keep see Trump administration, keeping

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Speaker 7: the good graces of the Trump administration by helping them

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Speaker 7: try and reduce and ultimately eliminate fentanyl production and smuggling

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Speaker 7: into the country. But it's not as easy as said

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Speaker 7: as done, given that the cartels do play a role

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Speaker 7: in this obviously, and they are not interested in stopping

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Speaker 7: their production of fentanyl. And so it goes back to

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Speaker 7: the question of is this a problem that Mexico can

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Speaker 7: handle alone? And so far it seems like the Trump

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Speaker 7: administration's belief is no, and they are willing to help.

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Speaker 6: But the question is what does that help look like?

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Speaker 7: And is the Trump administration willing to go further than

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Speaker 7: Shambyn will let that.

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Speaker 1: Do you see Shininbaum cracking down at all? I know

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Speaker 1: that police in Mexico arrested Carlo Manzo or arrested the

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Speaker 1: guy who killed Carlos Manzo recently. Are they making any

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Speaker 1: progress against the cartels?

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Speaker 7: I think they're trying their best. We've seen over the

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Speaker 7: last couple months. I believe the number is fifty five

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Speaker 7: cartel members be extradited from Mexico to the United States

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Speaker 7: that were arrested. There has been reporting that the Mexicans

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Speaker 7: had been cooperating on CIA surveillance overflights, which means they're

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Speaker 7: allowing the CIA to carry out surveillance via the skies,

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Speaker 7: which I think is a big deal considering it allows

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Speaker 7: them additional ways to gain their intelligence. And so those

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Speaker 7: have been primary things that the Mexicans have done to

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Speaker 7: help the US and stopping fineral production, and they have

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Speaker 7: also surge service members to their side of the American

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Speaker 7: Mexican border.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know some of the cartel groups are being

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Speaker 1: you know, either being killed or arrested down there, but

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Speaker 1: probably not enough. All right, I'll give you the last word.

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Speaker 1: We have forty five seconds. Where can people follow you?

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Speaker 1: And what do you want to say?

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Speaker 7: So I'm at the Washington Examiner. They can find my

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Speaker 7: Mike Grestc. And I think we live in a very

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Speaker 7: wild time, and while the holidays are coming up, I

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Speaker 7: have a feeling the conflicts that seem to be going

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Speaker 7: on all over the world will not stop for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty incredible time and history here, you know.

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Speaker 2: I know, Trum, I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: To create peace in different theaters now in Sudan and others.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how effective that is. But I appreciate your coverage.

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Speaker 1: I'll have you back. Okay, I'm really grateful.

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Speaker 2: You came on.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, have a great holiday with the family. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm great. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank god the Dems

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they got what they wanted I think

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I heard Schumer had a war room three months in

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Speaker 1: advance of this, preparing for this. Okay, so many issues

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Speaker 1: to discuss, right, I wanted to start by, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirty years later. Incomes haven't improved that much. Inflation's outpaced incomes.

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Speaker 1: Unemployment for college grads is about six percent, you know,

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Speaker 1: used to be thirty one back in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: And first time.

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Speaker 1: Buyers it's forty years old, is set of twenty eight

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Speaker 1: just four years ago. And rates were two and three

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Speaker 1: and six now. Hopefully they'll be in the fours again

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Speaker 1: it's still not enough, right, tell us about these fifty

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Speaker 1: year mortgages.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So we did a podcast recently because we saw

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Speaker 8: the idea of a fifty year mortgage. Caught my eye

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Speaker 8: and I thought, that's I mean, all due respect to

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Speaker 8: President Trump, that's a terrible deal for the most consumers.

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Speaker 8: It's a great deal for the banks because they make

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Speaker 8: so much money. In fact, I think on a three

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Speaker 8: hundred and fifty thousand dollars house, a fifty year mortgage

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Speaker 8: versus a thirty year mortgage will save the average person

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Speaker 8: about two hundred and fifty dollars a month, but it's

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Speaker 8: going to cost them hundreds of thousands more in interest.

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Speaker 8: So I thought, well, they're clearly trying to tackle this

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Speaker 8: affordability crisis. I don't think the fifty year mortgage is

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Speaker 8: the right way to go about it.

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Speaker 4: As you noted, every stat you just said.

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Speaker 8: Is incredibly indicting of how less affordable a house is today.

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Speaker 8: I think that it's now five to one in terms

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Speaker 8: of what the annual wages are, you know, for the

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Speaker 8: average person, versus of what it was three to one

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Speaker 8: a bit ago. And what we got into is like

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Speaker 8: there are several forces kind of shaping this. One is

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Speaker 8: the massive influx of immigration, and the other is environmental

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Speaker 8: zoning and regulations, which can add hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 8: dollars to the average cost of a home. In San Francisco,

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Speaker 8: environmental regulations add four hundred thousand dollars on average to

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Speaker 8: the cost of a home. And then you have to

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Speaker 8: kind of zoom back out and say, remember, like the

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Speaker 8: World Economic Forum, they had an essay entitled you will

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Speaker 8: own nothing and like it, and that was part of

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Speaker 8: their whole, like welcome to twenty thirty pledge.

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Speaker 4: So some real forces that work.

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Speaker 2: And we see it.

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Speaker 1: We see downtown areas getting rehabbed only with rentals, you know,

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Speaker 1: by railroad stations, so nobody's in a car. And that's

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Speaker 1: happening big time on Long Island here, and the American

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Speaker 1: dream is fleeting for a lot of people. So I

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Speaker 1: get Trump's attempt with the fifty air mortgage case. People

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Speaker 1: are only in their homes for like fifteen years, say,

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Speaker 1: and they can move on. But two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: dollars a month is nothing. You know, people need to

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Speaker 1: save like fifteen hundred a month in order to get

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Speaker 1: into a home. With the types of salaries that are

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Speaker 1: being offered today. You come out of college thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: you'd make seventy grand. Now you come out, you make

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Speaker 1: fifty and it's twenty five thirty years later.

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Speaker 2: So I'm worried. And anyway, I'll give you the last

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Speaker 2: word on that.

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Speaker 8: No, I think you're right to be worried. And I

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Speaker 8: think not just you or me, the Trump Administration's worried.

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Speaker 8: That's why you see them floating this idea, why you

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Speaker 8: see them going to try to put some pressure to

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Speaker 8: lower interest rates again. I mean, they're talking about stimulus checks,

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Speaker 8: they're talking about subsidies directly, you know, to try to

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Speaker 8: lower the cost of insurance. They're even talking about like

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Speaker 8: collusion with the cattle ranchers. So they're doing everything they

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Speaker 8: can think of to try to impact the cost of

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Speaker 8: how much everyday Americans pay on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what they're leaving out of the equation is

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Speaker 1: that local and state and county taxes are you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm paying thirteen thousand a year for a third of

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Speaker 1: an acre here on Long Island. So every time I

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Speaker 1: wake up every month, I owe eleven hundred dollars twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars in taxes just for breathing, never mind my mortgage.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big problem and Republicans are just as

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Speaker 1: guilty in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 2: Here on Long Island.

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Speaker 1: The Republicans have put a curb on, you know, tax

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Speaker 1: hikes for local government for the most part, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of towns haven't and big part of the burden.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get into the stock trading scandal. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about it.

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Speaker 8: Well, as you saw, there's a bipartisan coalition of members

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Speaker 8: of Congress are attempting to reintroduce something that we've been

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Speaker 8: involved in here at the Government account of buildings, to

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Speaker 8: a ban on members of Congress from buying, selling, and

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Speaker 8: trading individual stocks. When Peter Schweizer wrote the book Throw

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Speaker 8: Them All Out, which came out back in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 8: it actually led ironically to this big push to pass

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Speaker 8: something called the Stock Act, and then Congress a year

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Speaker 8: later gutted it in the middle of the night. And

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Speaker 8: so unfortunately, you know, they're backup to their old tricks.

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Speaker 8: Nancy Pelosi is retiring, But Nancy Pelosi is no longer.

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Speaker 8: I mean, she's been the most profitable in terms of

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Speaker 8: stock trades but she's not the most voluminous people like

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Speaker 8: Roecanna are buying and selling hundreds and not thousands of stocks,

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Speaker 8: and so stock volume trading this year is actually on

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Speaker 8: pace to be a record high. So it seems wrong.

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Speaker 8: I think most people recognize it's wrong. And when members

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Speaker 8: of Congress are beating the market better than hedge fund managers,

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Speaker 8: you know that they have access to inside of information

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Speaker 8: and they're making money off of it.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Tell us about Audic Frost. What's going on with

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Speaker 2: the Senate?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, from the people who brought you self dealing

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Speaker 8: and self enrichment in terms of people in public positions

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Speaker 8: of power, I bring you Unfortunately, you know this Arctic

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Speaker 8: Frost our last podcast about this. It's kind of like

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Speaker 8: a Coen Brothers movie. There are victims, but the victims

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Speaker 8: aren't necessarily good guys.

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Speaker 4: It's a scandal.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's the Biden administration's Watergate that they went

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Speaker 8: and sought information on ten senators and hundreds of Republican

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Speaker 8: linked entities, and.

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Speaker 4: Then in violation of law, they.

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Speaker 8: Got this Judge Bosberg in d ced issue a gag

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Speaker 8: order so that members of the Republican Senate didn't even

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Speaker 8: know that they were having their phone records handed over

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Speaker 8: at least on behalf of Verizon AT and T, to

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Speaker 8: their credit, refused to do so. But then in the

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Speaker 8: bill to reopen the government, Republicans slipped in a provision

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Speaker 8: that allowed them to sue to be paid up to

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Speaker 8: five hundred thousand dollars for each instance of their phone

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Speaker 8: records being handed over in violation of the law. And

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Speaker 8: so you know, it puts them in a weird position.

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Speaker 4: You've got people who.

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Speaker 8: Were going without a paycheck for I think forty three days.

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Speaker 8: And in the bill you heard Republicans always say like,

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Speaker 8: we want to clean CR, clean CR. The Democrats are

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Speaker 8: the ones trying to add in extra stuff. And it

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Speaker 8: was a really bad look when the Republican senators and

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Speaker 8: they don't even wouldn't even say who it was, slipped

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Speaker 8: in provision to allow them to potentially be paid by

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Speaker 8: taxpayer money in the bill that was meant to reopen

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Speaker 8: the government for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and timing's everything. It's a bad look. You're worried

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Speaker 1: about the optics of that too, right, Well, it's.

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Speaker 4: A bad look.

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Speaker 8: The optics are bad, but it's just wrong, right, I mean,

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Speaker 8: you had the Democrats are the ones who were insisting

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Speaker 8: on getting health care for illegal immigrants, and that's one

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Speaker 8: of the reasons why they said they were going to

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Speaker 8: keep the government shut down. To your point about Chuck

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Speaker 8: Schumer's war room, I think they had other incentives. I

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Speaker 8: think they wanted to look like they were fighting against

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump, and this is obay to appeal to their base.

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Speaker 8: But at the same time, Republicans, I thought had the

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Speaker 8: moral high ground on the issue. And so when something

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Speaker 8: like this gets slipped in and you got members of

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Speaker 8: the House saying, hey, I don't I'm not sure they

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Speaker 8: definitely didn't tell us they were doing that, it does

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Speaker 8: speak to something is wrong and it's not enhancing the brand.

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Speaker 8: Let's say for Republicans in the Senate, but.

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Speaker 1: Other groups like TPUSA, the RNC, Conservative Meadows, the Partnership Institute, Right,

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Speaker 1: Mark Meadows, Bannon Powell, Juliani, John Eastman, all victims of this.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely no, it's like, think about this.

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Speaker 8: The scandal and Watergate was that they had reporting try

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Speaker 8: to prove that Nixon was linked to an effort to

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Speaker 8: spy on political opponents. There's no need to prove that

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Speaker 8: the Biden administration was linked to this effort. It came

808
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Speaker 8: from his own Department of Justice, so you know, it's

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Speaker 8: directly at his behest.

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Speaker 4: That is insistence.

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Speaker 8: So I think the fact that they were collecting information

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Speaker 8: on political enemies as widespread as you just noted all

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Speaker 8: those names is a true scandal, and I think unfortunately

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Speaker 8: the breadth and scope of it have yet to fully

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Speaker 8: be appreciated, and it certainly has not been reported on

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Speaker 8: as breathlessly by regular media outlets.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I love Peter Schweitzer. You guys are great there. Eric,

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Speaker 1: sounds like you really got to handle on what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about what the Government Accountability Institute does.

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Speaker 8: Well, we do a few things, Thank you, Dave. We

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Speaker 8: do a podcast each week with Peter and myself.

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Speaker 4: You know, we do have several authors, have written books.

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Speaker 8: I wrote a book on election integrity that actually came

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Speaker 8: out in twenty eighteen. It's called Fraud. Have the Left

825
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Speaker 8: plans to steal the next election? We've written books about

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Speaker 8: Gavin Newsom's corruption in California.

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Speaker 4: Seamus Bruner, a colleague.

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Speaker 8: Of mine, wrote a book called Control of Guards, and

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Speaker 8: Peter Schweitzer has a book coming out early next year

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Speaker 8: which we think will drive a lot of news and

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Speaker 8: hopefully shed some light on areas of the government to

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Speaker 8: need significant reform.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of it, you know, I was in Palm

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Speaker 2: Beach last week. I'm down there.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have studios down there, and they're building

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollar houses like chicklets everywhere. But outside

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Speaker 1: of that, everyone I talked to out there, I've dealt

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Speaker 1: with thousands. I've interviewed thousands of Americans around the country

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Speaker 1: in the past six seven years. Everyone can't make ends

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Speaker 1: meet unless they have a cushy job with the government,

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Speaker 1: a civil service job in a blue state, right, But

842
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Speaker 1: everyone else is sucking wind and they're worried about the retirement.

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Speaker 1: They're supporting their parents, they're supporting their kids, and the

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Speaker 1: Republicans need all hands on deck this fall the next

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Speaker 1: fall to win to keep the house.

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Speaker 2: I'm really worried it's gone. What do you say, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's funny. I actually live in Florida. We live in.

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Speaker 8: Tallahassee, the capital of the state of Florida, And so

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Speaker 8: you talk about how much money you're paying in taxes

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Speaker 8: in New York and Long Island. I would like to

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Speaker 8: say I feel your pain, but I do not because

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Speaker 8: we don't have a state income tax in Florida, and

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Speaker 8: in fact, Ron DeSantis, our governor, is I think, working

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Speaker 8: to eliminate property tax on homesteaded properties in the state.

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Speaker 8: And I think because what they're doing is they're identifying

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Speaker 8: all the wasteful spending on behalf of the local governments

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Speaker 8: which they use. You know, they get they collect the

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Speaker 8: proper taxes, and they do stuff that most people wouldn't

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Speaker 8: agree with. So I agree with you. I think that's

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Speaker 8: an example of a policy idea that shows leadership but

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Speaker 8: touching people.

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Speaker 4: Where it matters in their pocketbook.

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Speaker 8: You know, That's one of the reasons why I think

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Speaker 8: zoraon mom Doane was successful in New York. He was attempting,

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Speaker 8: he was offering to make their lives more affordable. And

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Speaker 8: so I totally agree. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 8: reasons why you see Donald Trump talking about this. They're

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Speaker 8: going to continue to talk about it. And actually, you know,

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Speaker 8: we've seen the drop in terms of support for Hispanics

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Speaker 8: or buy Hispanics for Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think that Trump.

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Speaker 8: Administration needs to do a better job of connecting dots,

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Speaker 8: say listen. One of the reasons one of the reasons

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Speaker 8: why we're enforcing immigration policy is because we think that

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Speaker 8: that's another thing that's going.

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Speaker 4: To help make things cheaper for you.

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Speaker 8: So I think you can expect to see hear more

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Speaker 8: messaging about that moving forward.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent Erica Eggers. We have fifteen seconds. Where

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Speaker 1: can people follow you?

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Speaker 8: They can follow me on x at Eric Underscore Eggers

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Speaker 8: and go to the drill down dot com.

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Speaker 4: Fin all of our podcast episodes.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate your insights and Happy Thanksgiving to you and.

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Speaker 4: Your family, Sam, to you and your audience.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, wonderful, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Everybody. This is breaking point on Real America's Voice News.

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Speaker 1: See you next week. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving