Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: We are back with are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: We're going to continue with the fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh have so much fun. Thank you really doing this.
Speaker 2: You're a great host. Well, you're so sweet. You're a
Speaker 2: great guest, of course, and I can't wait to listen
Speaker 2: to your podcast. Thank you, thank you. What are we
Speaker 2: even doing? What are we even doing? What are we?
Speaker 2: I know, and you can say the number of general ways.
Speaker 2: I know what. I like that are we even doing?
Speaker 2: What are we even doing? It depends on the moment,
Speaker 2: depends on the day. Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: What I didn't get to in my rewatch of last
Speaker 1: night was when we go to Connecticut, which I don't
Speaker 1: even know if we really.
Speaker 2: Go to Connecticut. I think it's Bunny's house.
Speaker 1: And we played tennis, which I have a lot of
Speaker 1: photographs in my possession of us playing tennis. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. We must have had to take like
Speaker 1: prop photos or something.
Speaker 2: The tennis one sort of towards the end, right, it
Speaker 2: must be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't get that far, but like
Speaker 1: I make up with the gardener apparently, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a dream, but apparently it's real.
Speaker 2: Ce. See, I don't remember everything accurately, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like, what was Charlotte doing? Is it because we're
Speaker 1: not having sex?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to that part. Anyone know, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I think that's why. Yeah, but I mean, that's so sad.
Speaker 2: Linked it out, That's okay. I did.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I banked it out. I liked it. I remember, and
Speaker 2: I remember I remember this the tennis court.
Speaker 3: I mean it was the same same sequence there, the
Speaker 3: night shot, Yes, and I and I had gone out
Speaker 3: because I was frust I was frustrated myself. I was
Speaker 3: angry at myself and I couldn't do what I was
Speaker 3: supposed to do, and they had me out and I
Speaker 3: was out at this court, and I remembered I took
Speaker 3: tennis lessons there at the Central Park. There's there was
Speaker 3: a wonderful facility there. I didn't play tennis. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I got to look like I know what I'm doing,
Speaker 3: and which I really didn't.
Speaker 2: But you know, through this, so many times I was Charlotte, Yes,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Was there, and I remember because it was a warm
Speaker 3: night and I was hitting balls and the the the
Speaker 3: makeup ladies came over and they were like, you need
Speaker 3: to be a little sweaty, and I was like okay.
Speaker 3: And they started taking baby oil and loving it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's the one right there. Look
Speaker 2: at that's it. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I said, I think this is
Speaker 3: a little I think it's a little too much, right
Speaker 3: And I was like and they were like no, they
Speaker 3: were like no, no, and they were like doing so
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, look at you. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was a young man right there, incredible. And I
Speaker 3: was just like, I said, okay, I said, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of the guys and all of the
Speaker 1: girls having a great time.
Speaker 2: Very like, I know, why don't with a gardener, why
Speaker 2: don't I just try harder? Rageous?
Speaker 3: You know, That's the whole thing is. He looks good
Speaker 3: on the outside, but the inside it's just not working.
Speaker 2: It's sad. It's so sad.
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, because I only remember some of it,
Speaker 1: it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a few moments that.
Speaker 3: Like I remember, I remember the the scene in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: With when Francis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the maasth Hub and Franny is sitting
Speaker 3: on the toilet smoking.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you know, it's good, but it's not good
Speaker 2: for Charlotte. Yeah, and you kind of put your head
Speaker 2: and it's like, what the hell is Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had forgotten that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I immediately recognized. I said, this is the
Speaker 3: entire relationship in one scene, in one visual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, that's true, and I think.
Speaker 3: That we had And I said, no, give me a
Speaker 3: washcloth and I'm going to be washing, not just soaking,
Speaker 3: I'm actually washing and we're chatting like everything is totally fine.
Speaker 3: And I said, there's a brilliant moment. And the other
Speaker 3: one that I loved, which you're probably member, is when
Speaker 3: we're shopping.
Speaker 2: For a bed.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, three of us on the bed and it's good.
Speaker 3: Just again, I'm like, there it is.
Speaker 1: That's it's a good visual. I'll tell you what I
Speaker 1: remember because I thought that it was very hard and
Speaker 1: I was very scared to do it.
Speaker 2: And it might have been Charles also.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I want to about Charles before
Speaker 1: we move on, because I was watching them in order, right, like,
Speaker 1: I watched.
Speaker 2: More than I would normally watch.
Speaker 1: Last night and so when when you switch from one
Speaker 1: director to the next, you're like, oh, when it's someone new, right,
Speaker 1: and they put in and he would do film us,
Speaker 1: even in the intimate scenes on a longer lens, and
Speaker 1: it's so cinematic. And that's when Carrie's having the affair
Speaker 1: with Big behind Aiden's back, and it's so beautifully filmed.
Speaker 2: And she's so great. I mean, everyone's so good. It's
Speaker 2: so nice to see such a good director.
Speaker 1: But then what I remember with us is when so
Speaker 1: so you in Burgdorf you hand me, I say, oh,
Speaker 1: did you do your list for the party? And you
Speaker 1: hand me your list and behind the list for the
Speaker 1: engagement party is the prenup.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Trey in the middle of burg Dwarf,
Speaker 2: what is this? Yeah? And You're like, oh, it's nothing.
Speaker 2: Everyone in the family does it. You know, you're very
Speaker 2: And so I go to the girls and I'm like,
Speaker 2: can you believe this?
Speaker 1: And and I've got Miranda look at you say, oh,
Speaker 1: just have your lawyer look at it, like I have
Speaker 1: a lawyer, right, Well, luckily Miranda's lawyer.
Speaker 2: So I take it to Miranda.
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, this is interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: it's normal. People do this, like I would do this
Speaker 1: if I were getting married. And then she gets to
Speaker 1: the part where it's like I get extra money if
Speaker 1: I have a boy child, but I get no money
Speaker 1: if I have a girl child, and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: on earth?
Speaker 2: And I mean rewatching. I didn't remember any of this,
Speaker 2: so I was like, that is fucking weird. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean really brilliant.
Speaker 1: But then where I didn't get to last night but
Speaker 1: I know is good. The party I go to and
Speaker 1: negotiate with Franny with Bunny and that's when I say
Speaker 1: I'm worth a million. And I remember being so petrified
Speaker 1: because it was one of those shots where they set
Speaker 1: the shot up and it's like a super close up,
Speaker 1: and you know it's a super close up and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like someone's like joking you like the pressure,
Speaker 1: and they keep trying to explain to me how I feel.
Speaker 1: And I remember Jenny's trying to explain to me how
Speaker 1: I feel, and Charles is trying to tell me what
Speaker 1: to do, like how to do it or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they just want me to like embody like I'm worth
Speaker 1: a million or whatever, but like what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like I was struggling like, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: It's perfect? Actually that you brought all that into it?
Speaker 2: Is it perfect?
Speaker 3: Because that would that would be Charlotte.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't come.
Speaker 3: In, She wouldn't suddenly come in like hard heart, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 3: She is so everything that you're going through was perfect,
Speaker 3: Thank you, Kyle. Perfect and the direct no, no, you're
Speaker 3: so people.
Speaker 2: A saying you're so good with people?
Speaker 3: What about what about moving on? What about the whole
Speaker 3: remember the whole wedding thing that we did?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, insanity.
Speaker 3: And my favorite, my favorite moment of all that was
Speaker 3: the gentleman who played.
Speaker 2: Kim's paramore in that moment?
Speaker 3: Was it rich Is she with Richard bish accent?
Speaker 2: Do you remember him? Oh? Almost? And I was like,
Speaker 2: and you'd make out a word every now and then.
Speaker 3: And I said, years later, when I was playing golf
Speaker 3: in Scotland, I have a Scottish coach and I said.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I said, it's the same accent.
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't understand a word from He's from the
Speaker 3: far north of Scotland.
Speaker 2: And he would say in the.
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, that's good, and I would sit
Speaker 3: for a minute kind of there and I'd be like
Speaker 3: like thinking, like I knew it, like listening to his
Speaker 3: odd comments and I'd be like, I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: figure out what the hell he said about.
Speaker 2: And then I would then I would go, oh, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think I got it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then I would say Okay. Then he'd say something
Speaker 3: else and I'd have to take a minute to think about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just love it. He was so fun.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I need to remember him at all. Was wow.
Speaker 2: I don't remember him, but I mean good that they
Speaker 2: brought a Scottish ship. Were they killed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know if he's truly Scottish or not.
Speaker 3: He just wanted to doing something crazy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was. He was truly wonderful. That
Speaker 2: was a whole really fun. It was really funny, so incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And such like we joke about it with the girls
Speaker 1: because I have pictures of them sleeping on the pews
Speaker 1: because that's how long we were there, you know, which
Speaker 1: is like very much our mo O with not our
Speaker 1: personal emo but the show's ema. Right, everything took forever.
Speaker 1: But I also have pictures of me, like in the
Speaker 1: courtyard of that church like they had to. I couldn't
Speaker 1: sit down, like I needed a.
Speaker 2: Leaning forward for the dress because that's huge vera Wang.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting in like funny on like weird
Speaker 1: perches and whatever, like just so thrilled, like I'm actually
Speaker 1: getting married, which I actually don't even care about, right,
Speaker 1: But it's like the enthusiasm of Charlotte was inhabiting me,
Speaker 1: do what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I'm just beaming.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, so happy, and the girls are so mad.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a crazy thing because rarely we're all all
Speaker 3: the cast members together like that. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: in each episode there was always a moment when all
Speaker 3: four of you came together and kind of much stuff
Speaker 3: we're not there, so it was rare when I was there.
Speaker 3: I think there was one dinner sequence when I was
Speaker 3: there with the girls, and I remember I all think.
Speaker 3: I remember it was a restaurant. It was one of
Speaker 3: the oldest restaurants in New York where we went, and
Speaker 3: I don't even remember where.
Speaker 2: It was somewhere in.
Speaker 3: The theater district and it's hard with the b okay okay, anyway,
Speaker 3: that was one and it was an all night one,
Speaker 3: so we were all like, of course, delirious that and
Speaker 3: then the wedding sequence was another one. And I love
Speaker 3: the fact that the writers like they took me Kyle
Speaker 3: maclachlin and they said, Okay, we're going to lean into
Speaker 3: the Scottish side of things, so they had me wearing
Speaker 3: a kilt it, you know, which was was also brilliant
Speaker 3: because it was like, oh, he's wearing the dress and
Speaker 3: the relate you know, it was like it was like, oh.
Speaker 2: There's there's layers here.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that the writers are thinking about it were just
Speaker 3: so clever that the writing stuff was so.
Speaker 2: Good, Oh my god, so good for the show.
Speaker 3: And the only other thing I wanted to mention was
Speaker 3: about was was friend Francis Franny, because you know, she
Speaker 3: played that Upper east Side matron, waspy.
Speaker 2: Matron so perfectly.
Speaker 3: When she would unfam with this when she would come
Speaker 3: to the makeup trailer, she would come in and like
Speaker 3: she'd have like like she just came off the farm
Speaker 3: upstate New York.
Speaker 2: She Birkenstock song so different like.
Speaker 3: Short capris kind of and like kind of a blouse
Speaker 3: and like almost a straw hat. I mean it was
Speaker 3: literally like I'm coming in just just put took off
Speaker 3: and now I'm ready to turn into and they put
Speaker 3: her in the chanel and mirror and suddenly like wow.
Speaker 2: What a transformation.
Speaker 1: So she was scary and me was scary.
Speaker 2: At least I was scared of her. You know, you
Speaker 2: probably weren't, but she was right.
Speaker 1: But I mean that part was kind of surprising because
Speaker 1: Franny herself was like such a mom vibe, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like so so warm and lovely, cigarette
Speaker 1: in her hand and watch out many.
Speaker 2: Oh all of it.
Speaker 3: Well we should do this alrighty, And you realized he
Speaker 3: just he just developed this thing. That's what happened, you know.
Speaker 3: After that, he's just definitely better to.
Speaker 2: Just give up. And because it was otherwise it was
Speaker 2: too much press.
Speaker 1: Shoot, That's why I think that the cardboard baby and
Speaker 1: the saying that you wanted to play golf, I think
Speaker 1: it was like you had developed you Trey had developed
Speaker 1: this passive aggressive thing with your mom, like you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have a way out right, and so then
Speaker 1: I push you so far and I really want you
Speaker 1: present right, like I'm not going to be okay with
Speaker 1: the checked out. I think that was when I have
Speaker 1: to rewatch it all to be sure, but like there's
Speaker 1: a scene that I think Alan Colter, who had on
Speaker 1: so much, and he's one where he when he showed
Speaker 1: up the visuals, like looked up. You know, he was
Speaker 1: such a great director. And he fondly remembers a scene
Speaker 1: that I haven't gotten to in the rewatch because I
Speaker 1: think it's after we kind of break up and then
Speaker 1: we get back together and we have some kind of
Speaker 1: a scene about how we love each other but it's
Speaker 1: just not enough, and he had us just leaning against
Speaker 1: a wall. Do you remember this vaguely?
Speaker 2: Like possibly outside the door.
Speaker 1: Maybe outside the door, and I'm wearing like my green,
Speaker 1: my favorite green.
Speaker 2: I think it was in the doorway. Maybe people will
Speaker 2: know what they want to look up tell us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll have you back to talk about that we got
Speaker 2: this wrong, and we got this wrong, I know at all. No,
Speaker 2: I don't think we got anything wrong, Carl, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think its the.
Speaker 1: Fans will tell us, But I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: that I don't think that the Minutia detection.
Speaker 2: Is retroactive, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I feel like the fans who love Sex and the
Speaker 1: City just watch Sex and the City and don't pick
Speaker 1: it apart in the way that the fans picked apart
Speaker 1: and just like that and probably anything else that's on
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Maybe well, maybe that's a social component that becomes because
Speaker 3: because then you have a you have a community, you know,
Speaker 3: that supports each other and then can weigh in, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and correct and adjust and everything.
Speaker 1: When you got off our show, did you go directly
Speaker 1: to Desperate Housewives or was there Do Not.
Speaker 3: Passco, Do Not collectwo hundred. I don't remember. I've sort
Speaker 3: of lost the timeline because I think we were well,
Speaker 3: we were in New York and then Housewives obviously shot
Speaker 3: it at Universal in LA. I think there was a
Speaker 3: leg time, and I don't remember when I started.
Speaker 1: Did people talk to you about Trey like, was it
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because of the weird.
Speaker 2: In New York? Yeah? I told me at the time.
Speaker 2: I was like huh.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I've had you know, that's been
Speaker 3: from the beginning, you know. And I talked about New
Speaker 3: Yorkers and how that you know, the occasional person sometimes
Speaker 3: I would say, the dormant in New York. You know,
Speaker 3: they're also you know, outspoken and you know, friendly and
Speaker 3: kind of you know, would say, hey.
Speaker 2: Buddy, good luck. I know you can do it, you
Speaker 2: can get it, you know, thanks, hey, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: mister Dorman.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know stuff like that, right right, right occasionally,
Speaker 3: you know, but it was, you know, you sort of
Speaker 3: take it in stride and you know, a sense of humor,
Speaker 3: and so for the most part, somebody you're like, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: but really it's so, you know, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Good and it was. Was it fine then or was
Speaker 2: it annoying?
Speaker 3: You know, it was it was annoying, yeah, actually, but honestly,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, yeah, but as an actor,
Speaker 3: you're like, you know, let's how do we find the
Speaker 3: truth in this? He has an issue, he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to deal with it. Together, they're trying to find a
Speaker 3: way through this, and I sort of in my mind,
Speaker 3: I said, well, maybe this indirectly will somehow help somebody,
Speaker 3: or maybe they can talk about it with a friend.
Speaker 3: I don't know, thinking there might be a there's a positive,
Speaker 3: there's an upside here somewhere.
Speaker 2: I think the shining truth on anything is good.
Speaker 3: So the three people that I helped, I'm so I
Speaker 3: hope that helped my embarrassing moment I mean that's.
Speaker 2: The other thing that was interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, as the four of us, we all had
Speaker 1: many problems, obviously, and they would you know, we would
Speaker 1: fall down or did you get the pie in the face,
Speaker 1: either literally or figuratively or whatever. Obviously, but we were
Speaker 1: on there and we were you know, the show was
Speaker 1: about us, right. But then for the guys often and
Speaker 1: sometimes it would just be one episode, right like Bobby Kenavale.
Speaker 2: Is in with the Bunk is punk. Bobby's a great actor, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were other ones that I felt, Okay, I didn't
Speaker 2: have that totally.
Speaker 1: Because like I I and sometimes I asked these guys
Speaker 1: to come on the show, and then they don't want
Speaker 1: to come the show.
Speaker 2: And I'm so hurt that they don't want to come
Speaker 2: the show, and that I realized what they have to
Speaker 2: come on and be humiliated.
Speaker 1: Never, I would never humiliate further. I would just give
Speaker 1: them the time to talk about it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: They were such good sorts to come on, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's true for you too, because of course I
Speaker 1: don't even remember, like I had it on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even remember why, Like why
Speaker 1: did it end? And they were like, oh, there were
Speaker 1: so many problems.
Speaker 2: There was this, and there's that there, you know.
Speaker 3: Kind of got to we got to find a way
Speaker 3: out of this, because so they want to take you
Speaker 3: on another journey obviously, you know, this one had kind
Speaker 3: of and and honestly, that's say it has been two seasons,
Speaker 3: I think, right, right, yeah, so it.
Speaker 2: Was even clear I'm clear in my mind. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: certainly longer than five or four.
Speaker 3: But I think, speaking earlier about that, one of the
Speaker 3: strengths of the show you were talking about here everyone
Speaker 3: had an issue, and I said, was that that they
Speaker 3: presented these these wonderful, glamorous, fantastic friends, but they were human, yes,
Speaker 3: you know, and everybody had issues that they were struggling through. Yes,
Speaker 3: And so many people I'm sure watched the show to go,
Speaker 3: oh God, I'm going through exactly the same thing, how
Speaker 3: do I handle this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's true, and I also think
Speaker 1: that it's like from what people tell me, because there's
Speaker 1: also been these very interesting phases, like there's this phase
Speaker 1: during COVID of like people saying that Carrie's awful and
Speaker 1: she's a narcissist. Think you've led too much time on
Speaker 1: during COVID, And I remember one time, Sir just because
Speaker 1: said like I just don't understand what is this online?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't even think twice about it,
Speaker 1: because basically, number one, you were a full character. That
Speaker 1: was the point, right, Like, how would we have ever
Speaker 1: gone on in the way that we have if she
Speaker 1: was somehow worked out? You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: nobody's really worked out anyway, right, But I think they
Speaker 1: it's very unusual, like you will have Tony Soprano who
Speaker 1: literally kills people but is the star of that show
Speaker 1: and much beloved, right, and then if you have a
Speaker 1: complex woman, people are like, she's a narcissist, she's me
Speaker 1: a bad choice, you know, Like there's an unfair judgment.
Speaker 1: But part of that is because if you think about
Speaker 1: the women characters that we get, certainly in terms of
Speaker 1: television and long term characters, they kind of have to.
Speaker 2: Be like lawyers or doctors or you know.
Speaker 1: Like Meredith Gray, you know where you're you know, the
Speaker 1: the hero I think, I mean, I don't watch that
Speaker 1: show for twenty one episodes season, Sorry, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But like Kerry was a flawed individual, and
Speaker 1: that was what it was supposed to be, as were
Speaker 1: the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody in the flood on the show, and at
Speaker 3: the same time lovable and like and recognizable and identifiable,
Speaker 3: and you could align. It's why people are like, are
Speaker 3: you aligned with you know?
Speaker 1: Or whatever?
Speaker 2: I think, because I think we were. There were this examples.
Speaker 3: You were demonstrating examples of you know, how to handle
Speaker 3: and not.
Speaker 2: Not handle to handle right situation.
Speaker 1: So I think from what people say now when they
Speaker 1: talk about like rewatching it, like like someone came on
Speaker 1: and she'd just been through a breakup and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just watched it again and it's totally
Speaker 1: different to watch it when you're going through a breakup
Speaker 1: than it is to watch it when you're in a couple, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's really interesting. It's hard to
Speaker 1: be objective, of course, right, having been in it.
Speaker 2: But I love to hear that.
Speaker 1: And then Adam Scott came on and about how he
Speaker 1: watched it the first time he had COVID. He had
Speaker 1: COVID pre vaccine, so he was like took himself away
Speaker 1: from his family and was trying not to get anyone
Speaker 1: else sick. And trying to spend his time with something.
Speaker 1: So he really felt he said, he really felt like
Speaker 1: we were there for him, which is so adorable.
Speaker 2: Isn't that so adorable? Because he had a fever, right,
Speaker 2: you know? And I was like, I'm so glad we
Speaker 2: were there for you. I am like, we want to
Speaker 2: be there for you, you know.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you can feel like we're real
Speaker 1: people is a testament to the fact that they wrote
Speaker 1: us as flood real people.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And that was also that thing where the writers would
Speaker 1: have to have some basis of the story, right, And
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about that, I have never asked them.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the basis for Trey was, like,
Speaker 1: how they know, Like was there a person who had
Speaker 1: some similar because usually their rules that they had to
Speaker 1: have like one degree of separation from the story, right,
Speaker 1: But I never asked because I was so in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Well, that was always the that was always the game, right,
Speaker 3: It's like, who is this person exactly based upon h
Speaker 3: the New York's you know exactly right?
Speaker 2: Who is it? Do we know them? How well did
Speaker 2: we know them? Are we going to have to talk
Speaker 2: to them about this? On a red carpet at some point,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then also when we did, especially when we went
Speaker 1: back to doing just like that, we would have to
Speaker 1: figure out amongst ourselves which writer or writer's spouse this
Speaker 1: was about, right, Oh my gosh, because they wouldn't always
Speaker 1: tell us and we would just be like, do you.
Speaker 2: Think that maybe this is about?
Speaker 1: Because then you had to be careful with what you
Speaker 1: might say or the questions you might ask, and you
Speaker 1: needed to know which writer was going to have the best.
Speaker 2: Information to give you. You know, I know, it's pretty.
Speaker 3: Interesting incestuous, oh my lord, but in a good way,
Speaker 3: right Listen. If you can't base things upon people that
Speaker 3: you know and situations, is that that's what's the point.
Speaker 3: That's what makes it so recognizable, identifiable, intriguing, interesting, compelling.
Speaker 1: Absolutely which makes me want to ask you about Overcompensating.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, it's so much fun.
Speaker 3: Benny Benny, Benita Skinner, Ben Benny drama. But he is
Speaker 3: such a lovely, lovely man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh is so Yeah.
Speaker 3: Over Compensating was a really really a fun experience. Benny
Speaker 3: and Scott King, who kind of helped him, from what
Speaker 3: I understand, helped kind of mentor him through this process
Speaker 3: of writing and telling his story, his story of coming out.
Speaker 3: Was it was just such a remember reading the script
Speaker 3: and thinking, this is really funny. Yes, and I love
Speaker 3: that every character had a very distinct voice and you
Speaker 3: could see it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It was a very visual script, so those are so
Speaker 3: nice when you can you see the action as you're reading.
Speaker 3: And I love the idea of the character of the dad,
Speaker 3: and and it was just, I mean, all across the board,
Speaker 3: just the greatest experience. We shot up in Toronto for
Speaker 3: long and thinking long for my parts were just kind
Speaker 3: of isolated, you know. And Connie Britten was the was
Speaker 3: and she was great. I was such a big fan
Speaker 3: of hers, and I just felt we have we created
Speaker 3: between me playing his father and her Asmus the mom.
Speaker 3: We had this relationship that was that was interesting and
Speaker 3: and ridiculous and completely understandable from being together for so
Speaker 3: many years that we're both going kind of different directions.
Speaker 3: We're both we both love and hate each other.
Speaker 2: You know. It was very felt, very true. Nice. I
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved it. You're very funny.
Speaker 1: You're out there man, and you're on some some show
Speaker 1: that I haven't watched with Ethan Hawk.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, down enjoy Yeah, really good.
Speaker 3: So it's it's set We're sett in Tulsa and I'm
Speaker 3: a I'm a gentleman, I'm running for governor. I'm come
Speaker 3: from a very wealthy money family. And Ethan plays an
Speaker 3: investigative reporter who's kind of in his own words, is
Speaker 3: is a truth is a truth story and okay, so
Speaker 3: he's all about telling the truth of Tulsa. And of
Speaker 3: course Tulso has a very interesting past, and he is
Speaker 3: Ethan is really wonderful. And he worked with Sterlin Parjoe,
Speaker 3: who is our director, who had directed Reservation Dogs res
Speaker 3: Dogs as they call it, which I had seen and
Speaker 3: was remarkable. Also said in Tulsa he's local there, interesting
Speaker 3: and so he wrote the script and this idea and
Speaker 3: worked closely with Ethan, and then I came in. This
Speaker 3: is my fourth time working with Ethan, which is.
Speaker 2: So much fun. Yeah, I really enjoyed anything. He's so
Speaker 2: great gat.
Speaker 3: I know what I think I like him about the
Speaker 3: most is the fact that his process is so collaborative
Speaker 3: and that the ultimate goal is to make the scene
Speaker 3: the best it can be, which means that he's rooting
Speaker 3: for his you know, the actor who's there also with him,
Speaker 3: or actors or situations, how to make the scene better,
Speaker 3: and if it means, you know, doing something else that
Speaker 3: he hadn't planned to do, he's like, all on board,
Speaker 3: let's let's make it the best.
Speaker 2: And he and I.
Speaker 3: Worked really well together because we both have that kind
Speaker 3: of vibe, you know. Yeah, And it's on right now
Speaker 3: and a really good It's a great character for me.
Speaker 3: I get to play again someone who you think you
Speaker 3: know who is at the very beginning, and then he
Speaker 3: turns into something else towards you.
Speaker 2: Interesting and cool. Cast can't wait to watch it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you'll enjoy it. Okay. Then I want to
Speaker 2: talk about TikTok and the podcast. Yes what It's good?
Speaker 2: Are you up to over there? What am I even doing?
Speaker 3: Well? The podcast is called what are We Even Doing?
Speaker 3: And I completely agree.
Speaker 2: It's very like in life. In life, it's all.
Speaker 3: About so I I yes, So I've started social I've
Speaker 3: got this.
Speaker 2: You're out out there. I mean, people are into.
Speaker 3: It, engaging. I love the creative parts of social media.
Speaker 3: That's how I treat it. And it's really for me.
Speaker 3: It's about fun and entertainment. Occasionally I'll point to, you know,
Speaker 3: a cause or a person that I think is like, hey,
Speaker 3: this person's doing something great. But really it's about making
Speaker 3: people laugh. And I have a wonderful I have a
Speaker 3: wonderful crew. So Desrae Gruber, my wife's a picture and
Speaker 3: the chief content officer who's with us today and Walls
Speaker 3: is her here, and she has a junior staff as
Speaker 3: well of young creatives, brilliant creatives, and so we work
Speaker 3: together on this.
Speaker 2: So it's a collaborative process.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, very engaged and very involved in kind
Speaker 3: of up for anything they bring me.
Speaker 1: Ideas and Kyle so impress, it's all good.
Speaker 3: I think there was might even have been a reference
Speaker 3: to a cardboard baby at one point in time in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, maybe that one.
Speaker 3: We dig deep, We dig deep. So that's been really fun.
Speaker 3: And then that sort of led into this because it's
Speaker 3: very much a connection with a younger generation, right, and
Speaker 3: so that sorted opening up the idea like maybe there's
Speaker 3: a way that I can sort of infiltrate this world
Speaker 3: and begin to understand what's happening with them, with with
Speaker 3: the young millenniums. Someone to understand we need an interpreter. Yeah, interpreter,
Speaker 3: I brought a glossy. This is a man on the street,
Speaker 3: very excited. Yeah, and I've got some I've got some
Speaker 3: shield not. Let's see the generations there are. There are
Speaker 3: definitely the slang. You've probably heard about that. I have
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old Okay, so you are very aware
Speaker 3: of the slang.
Speaker 2: I mean some of it.
Speaker 3: I could I could, actually, I could ask you a
Speaker 3: couple of questions about some of the words and see.
Speaker 2: If you okay, ahead, go ahead. Chopped would be a
Speaker 2: good word. Chopped, Okay, hold on, I feel like I
Speaker 2: should know this.
Speaker 3: It kind of I mean, it's I think it's a
Speaker 3: positive eludes.
Speaker 2: It actually not okay, oh dear, I'm bad. You are
Speaker 2: definitely not chopped.
Speaker 1: I'm not chopped, okay, so that's a good thing to
Speaker 1: not be chopped.
Speaker 2: Chop is ugly, ugly, Yeah, saying the word ugly. That's right.
Speaker 2: It's chopped. Okay, okay, thank you. It's a little bit
Speaker 2: like rhyming slang. You know, one word and something else
Speaker 2: is another good one. I just heard this recently too.
Speaker 2: You're up on it, babe, I don't know. Just come
Speaker 2: this directly. I'm coming right too. Wow, I love it,
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Once funk is old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm approaching. I'm approaching. I think we're both compared
Speaker 2: to these you are not.
Speaker 3: Then there's a very interesting one, which is can I
Speaker 3: say this boy or soft boy?
Speaker 2: You know I have heard this. I literally still feel
Speaker 2: like I do not know the definition.
Speaker 3: Well this, this came directly from Geraldine, this one Nathan
Speaker 3: who was a guest on my on my podcast, and
Speaker 3: and the boy is someone that is very clearly there
Speaker 3: for one thing and one thing only.
Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty si right, very very straightforward. Soft boy.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, if I if I'm understanding this correctly,
Speaker 3: I may be corrected online. We'll find out soft boy
Speaker 3: comes across as like very gentle and it's got all your.
Speaker 2: But he's not. But he's not.
Speaker 3: He's in there for one thing. So it's a wolf.
Speaker 3: It's a wolf in sheep's clothes.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, this is super interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so I you know, yeah, some of the
Speaker 2: some of those things.
Speaker 3: You know, there's others de Lulu of course, brain rot
Speaker 3: cap cap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I find bit confusing. I don't know why we need
Speaker 1: that word for that. But okay, yeah, no, I think
Speaker 1: it's this is this is all good.
Speaker 2: I've had. The one that I really love is put
Speaker 2: the fries in the bag? What does that mean? It
Speaker 2: just means ended with the fries in the bag. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to use that. I'm going to use
Speaker 1: that because I need my kids to move quicker.
Speaker 2: Well that's what you put the fries in the I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do it. God, I haven't been No. Oh, I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: I have the situation now where my fourteen year old
Speaker 1: does not want to hear about six seven, but my
Speaker 1: seven year old does.
Speaker 2: Seven makes sense? Yeah, yes, but it's sort of nonsense
Speaker 2: from what I understand. It's definitely not sent here too.
Speaker 1: But they were so into it in the summer, especially
Speaker 1: like in the summer, I had girls over for my
Speaker 1: daughter's birthday.
Speaker 2: They made a six seven cookie.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, why explain.
Speaker 3: Here's the here's the news on the six seven. Yes
Speaker 3: you say it's group seven, okay, breaking gen z news. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: group seven. That's okay, thank you. So that's what I've
Speaker 3: got so far.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to coind I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it Okay, so when people come on the podcast,
Speaker 1: they help you with these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some sayings that they come up in a
Speaker 3: cop but really I'm there too. I'm really there because
Speaker 3: I'm curious. It's all about the creative process for me,
Speaker 3: and some sorts of conversation like we're having, you know,
Speaker 3: based upon what they what they're doing or what they're
Speaker 3: about to do, and where they come from. It's like
Speaker 3: how they started, what's what's important with their authenticity of course,
Speaker 3: and also talking a little bit about you know, kind
Speaker 3: of kind of just whatever whatever moves them, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, and how they use social and so
Speaker 3: this is all this is part of an exploration and
Speaker 3: a conversation. And I realized, you know, I know, and
Speaker 3: you're probably the same way. I know my mentors. I
Speaker 3: know the people that I admired growing up, you.
Speaker 2: Know, James Dean and.
Speaker 3: These were people in Monty Cliff. These were people that
Speaker 3: I read everything about wanted to emulate. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I realized, I don't have I don't look back and
Speaker 3: sort of see who's coming up that I really am
Speaker 3: aware of.
Speaker 2: Or respond to.
Speaker 3: And so I've started to that's a point wonderful interview
Speaker 3: with Dylan O'Brien, young actor who I really admire, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's just an opportunity to speak to them about, Hey,
Speaker 3: what how are you finding this journey that we're on
Speaker 3: as artists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, Yeah, that's great fun.
Speaker 1: Well, that's partly what I love about Marybeth and Benny.
Speaker 1: You know, like to see young people where they're self made,
Speaker 1: they just found their own way. Like Benny on you know.
Speaker 2: Instagram, initially first started on.
Speaker 1: Kardashians like wow, and then had the forethought to put
Speaker 1: it on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: And Marybeth, I mean they were both stand ups, which
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize, but you know, like Benny kind
Speaker 1: of like just creatively found that way and then here
Speaker 1: he is also able to do the more traditional media.
Speaker 1: So obviously he had Scott King help, which is great,
Speaker 1: but like just his own story, you know, it's really
Speaker 1: it's so impressive.
Speaker 2: It is impressive.
Speaker 3: And the way they're using social media to self generate, Yes,
Speaker 3: and it's it's really easy. It's amazing, and it's hard work. Yes,
Speaker 3: have a social presence. I'm discovering it's hard work because if.
Speaker 2: You're just by yourself. I mean, first of all, like,
Speaker 2: oh man, I rely on my ladies.
Speaker 1: They're here, but you know, like because you can't research
Speaker 1: all the trends and everything.
Speaker 2: And when they first came over, I mean I didn't
Speaker 2: sleep the night before. I was so nervous. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, what am I going to do? I had
Speaker 2: to clean the house because we're not used to just
Speaker 2: filming in our houses, are Charlotte.
Speaker 3: I mean it's just I've been realizing all along, you know,
Speaker 3: I had to clean the house. That is so funny.
Speaker 3: Do you clean before the cleaners come? Do you do
Speaker 3: that kind of thing?
Speaker 2: Sometimes? Sometimes to relax.
Speaker 1: Now that I have two children, I relaxed. Everything was
Speaker 1: different before the kids. Before the kids, by me, you
Speaker 1: were spotless, yes, and I mean there was no clutter right,
Speaker 1: and I loved it. It was fantastic. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get back giving up. Yeah, I did pretty much give up.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, this is stressing me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, I find that if I have one space
Speaker 3: in my house that is uncluttered, and so I had
Speaker 3: a little gym that was my garage and that's kind
Speaker 3: of my space. Nice However, Yeah, because I don't have
Speaker 3: any other place to sort of put stuff. Oh, inevitably
Speaker 3: I find there's three boxes in here that I did
Speaker 3: not put in here, And I've become really and I'm like,
Speaker 3: excuse me, these have to be removed right now. That's
Speaker 3: all I need is one area.
Speaker 1: I've lost all my areas. My areas are gone. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have this house. I got this bigger house when
Speaker 1: I when I had the second, when I adopted him,
Speaker 1: got this bigger house so that everyone could have space.
Speaker 2: That was my idea that we'd have.
Speaker 1: A playroom, you know, with the toys, because at my
Speaker 1: old house, like I was living under toys. You know,
Speaker 1: it just like takes over, takes over. So I got
Speaker 1: this playroom and I was like, the toys are going
Speaker 1: to stay in the playroom.
Speaker 2: Weill not.
Speaker 1: So no one told the seven year old, right, So
Speaker 1: now I've got like, you know, these bay blades.
Speaker 2: What the heck was your son not into these?
Speaker 3: A weird thing is at the top, you know, for
Speaker 3: a moment, Yeah, for a moment, he had a thing
Speaker 3: really appealed to me.
Speaker 2: He had other stuff, But here's the dog. It's like
Speaker 2: a situation.
Speaker 1: You've got them everywhere, Okay, Yeah, and then we've got
Speaker 1: Legos everywhere.
Speaker 2: Legos, yeah, oh my god. And then we've got still
Speaker 2: toy cars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, toy cars. I'll still stay forever Legos, in fact,
Speaker 3: stay forever.
Speaker 2: Which I mean, Legos are great, right, my son still
Speaker 2: loves like pain. I love Legos.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I do sit down and do Legos.
Speaker 1: My son thinks I'm mad at it, and he tells
Speaker 1: me you are not good at las.
Speaker 2: They have a facility about it that they can. They
Speaker 2: look at the thing.
Speaker 1: Which I think is great. They're building, right, They're building.
Speaker 1: Building is great. But I guess I'm not that good
Speaker 1: at it. But also I look at it as like resting, right,
Speaker 1: like Mommy is going to rest a little and build
Speaker 1: a wall.
Speaker 2: You build, You build characters, that's what you do. That's
Speaker 2: so sweet. I try. I do my best. Man, it's
Speaker 2: not easy. It's not easy. Man. Well the toy thing
Speaker 2: does it does eventually move. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're at a point where we've got the
Speaker 1: little toys that need to go.
Speaker 2: But see, I need some help. I need some help.
Speaker 3: I wish when I was because I had two younger
Speaker 3: brothers and growing up and we had that was kind
Speaker 3: of the advent of hot wheels.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and had.
Speaker 3: Tons of hot wheels, first run hot wheels, oh wow,
Speaker 3: which my mom didn't keep them, no goodwill.
Speaker 2: And which I understood. You know, there's a lot of toys.
Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of toys.
Speaker 3: But I do think back on some of the early games,
Speaker 3: and I said, I wish we had the original.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I know you'd have to have somewhere, but I'd
Speaker 3: be like, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I have this memory game that I had as a
Speaker 1: child and is so vintage, and somehow the pairs are
Speaker 1: in there. And seven year old has discovered the memory game.
Speaker 1: So now at six a m. When the coffee hasn't
Speaker 1: really hit, I have to play the memory game. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is good. This is good for you know,
Speaker 1: anti dementia.
Speaker 2: It's impossible, yeah, yes, yes, that's impossible.
Speaker 1: But it's also like these vintage seventies cards, which is
Speaker 1: like just kind of a miracle. Yeah right, So it
Speaker 1: does make you really when something survives, you know.
Speaker 2: You appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But you know what I realized, I forgot to ask you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: are you a Charlotte.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, yeah, yeah, without question love it. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: don't even.
Speaker 1: Have to think yeah, yes, yes, I feel you are too.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to double check. Oh yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: my official thing I have to do, right, Yes, of course, absolutely, thank.
Speaker 2: You, Charlotte. Yeah, Kyle, your dream. That was so much fun.
Speaker 2: I know, thank you for being here and you needed
Speaker 2: to come back. I will come back. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It's so fun to rehash with you and hear your
Speaker 3: perspective on things, and you too have those memories and
Speaker 3: also you remembered a lot I did, okay, right saying
Speaker 3: before your prompts.
Speaker 2: Were very good. Thank you, thank you very good. But there, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember quite.
Speaker 3: It was such a really it was a wonderful period
Speaker 3: of time in my life, and I really enjoyed I was.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was on our really special shows
Speaker 2: and you were, and we're so lucky that you were
Speaker 2: with us. Thank you.
Speaker 1: M