WEBVTT - Gary Lineker 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.720 You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.840 My brother Michael Elias, is a writer and director of movies, 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.119 tells me that when even a world famous actor comes 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.400 onto a set, no one on the crew bats an eye. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.360 The only exception as if the visitor is an athlete. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.560 Maybe it's because everyone thinks, if pressed, they could act, 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.080 or sing or dance, but never run a race, ski 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.440 down hill or kick a ball into a net. When 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.480 Gary Lineker, one of the great footballers of our time, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.320 walks into the River Cafe, everyone stops what they're doing, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.600 and some months ago I stopped what I was doing 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.839 after reading his brave defense of refugees landing in Britain 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.760 and his pleas for empathy compassion for people in peril. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.120 Gary is never silenced on issues he feels strongly about. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.440 This sense of justice runs deep. He's one of the 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.400 very few footballers never to have received a red or 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.560 yellow cat, consistent with who he is, principled, respectful and fair. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.080 We're also both in the world of podcasts, although there 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.679 is no comparison when his company, Goldhanger, has eighteen million 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.640 Gary and I also share the world of food and 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.520 This is not the first time a footballer has stepped 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.880 on my turf. There's nothing Beckham loves more than cooking. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.840 Ian Wright has his own food brand. Look at Gary's 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.760 Instagram and you'll see as many photographs of what he's 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.240 cooking as the goals he's analyzing. On Match of the Day, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.319 Gary has been in the kitchen with Joseph Travelli making 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.280 potato yaki with tomato sauce. So the nyaki, what do 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:43.080 you love about it? 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.040 I love yoki. I think it's quite versatile as well. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.600 You can kind of make it crispy and bake it 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.120 and stuff as well. But it just works with tomatoes, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.960 thank you, doesn't it. I think I always always go 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.600 to tomatoes with yaki. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.200 It just was perfect because I was in actually last 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.840 week and I was taken to this quite fancy restaurant 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.400 and I never do this. I never changed something. But 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.680 they had potato and yaki with asparagus and for shoot, punchetta, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.680 and it was quite quite complicated, and I just said, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.840 do you mind if I have it with tomato, and 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.200 it was so much better. I saw the other ones 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.840 and there was something we do it, but we do 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:22.560 it with other we. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.480 Do it with you can do, but it's never as 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:25.960 good as it. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.880 I mean, there's something about yeah, Italian tomatoes as well. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.600 Yeah, do you cook a lot of Italian? Do you 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.640 go for Italian food? 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.480 I cook a yeah, I do a lot of Italian food. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:36.200 Everyone just done. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.800 They I suppose it's it's kind of one of the 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.920 great cuisines. But I love cooking Indian as well, and 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.480 as well as kind of British basics and stuff. So yeah, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.680 a variety of different things, but I would say to 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.200 cook probably Italian and Indiana my favorite too. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:54.680 Have you been to India? 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.960 No, It's on my bucket list actually. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.920 And so let's go back to growing up, because you 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:00.960 were born and. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.000 I was born in Lesti, and what was the food 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:03.920 culture like there. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.959 Well, my dad was a market trader and he's a fruitter, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.920 so he'd sell fruit. So he worked hard, get a 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.680 you know, three four in the morning, go to the 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.919 wholesale market by the fruit, sell it all day. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.200 But what do you sell? 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.000 It was an outdoor market, the biggest outdoor market in 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.200 Europe at the time, and in Europe. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.840 Yeah, it's really well really fron Yeah, well exactly. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.000 There were also fish traders there was a fish you know, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.680 a fish mumbry kind of thing, and there was there 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.400 was a meat place. So at the end of the 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.760 week he'd always kind of give them a big basket 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.280 fruit and then they give him like a nice piece 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.720 of meat or a haliburt. Used to he loved halibur 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.720 And so we'd get like that kind of thing and 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.720 eat on a on a Friday and a Saturday, would 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.640 eat kind of really amazing stuff because they used to 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.160 do these swamp things. So yeah, so I kind of 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.000 grew up with food in that sense. Didn't go out 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.280 very often but occasionally. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.440 It wasn't a wholesale market was it didn't get distributed 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:00.480 to the rest of written. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:04.960 You're talking about this mart Bester market. Leicester's now famous 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.240 for its football team, having won the Premier League. Obviously, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.880 in fact, people suddenly started saying Leicester. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.920 Properly, how do you say it properly? Well, Leicester? 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.120 It was all Leicester, particularly in America and stuff. It 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.960 was always and suddenly people saying the name because you 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:27.080 always now because Leicester won the league with the biggest 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.800 sporting miracle ever, everyone knows how. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.080 To say it. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.480 Does your family still live there? 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:32.640 The only distant family. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.640 Now my my mom and dad passed away eight seven, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.760 eight years ago now, so so I don't go back 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.320 there as much, apart from the occasional time to watch 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.479 watch Leicester play if I'm not working. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.800 Which so have you had the ingredients of fruit and 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.320 vegetables and fish meat, but I didn't cook. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:54.800 A good cook. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.279 Tell me about her. What was her background? Where did 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:57.800 she come from? 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.160 She actually born in a place called Sherringham which is 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.200 in Norfolk on the coaster, and moved to Leicester when 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.120 she was I think it was about ten ten or eleven, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.040 and she was a hairdresser. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.120 Be comes mom was a hairdresser. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.839 Really, Yeah, there you go. She must be a football 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.599 thing maybe before. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.600 That's a lot of data. Yeah, you can then come 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.440 to a conclusion that two footballers had bombs were addressing. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.960 Yeah. But she was a good cook, love cooking. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.440 Yeah, so she work all day and then as well. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:37.159 When I was young, and then she kind of stopped hairdressing. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.880 And my dad used to have a card school. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.640 The card school a girl called Kaluki playing cards as 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.520 he was a gambler, and they used to have like 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.680 five or six guys in that used to come to 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.600 our house, either on a Sunday sometimes on a Monday, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.120 but they'd start at like six o'clock in the evening, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.800 and my mom would cook for everyone every night, and 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.440 she could get a little pound and out of the 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.080 pot every time they had a it was a kids 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:03.920 he going on all night. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.520 But I'd go to bed, you know, because I'd have school. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.680 On Monday morning, and then i'd wake up in the 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.920 morning get ready for school. They're still playing, like, yeah, eight, nine, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.680 ten o'clock in the morning. Sometimes they'd go unbroken for 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.479 thirty six hours. Yeah, honestly, and my mom would constantly 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.600 be supplying food all through the night, and yeah, amazing. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.000 You know my dad. I grew up in upstate New 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.239 York in a small town, and my father played poker. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.360 Every Thursday night. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.400 They played poker as well sometimes. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.240 And every Friday morning I'd come to go before I 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.240 went to school, there would be a note saying, dear Ruthie, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.360 I won last night. Here's five dollars, Ruthie, I won 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.919 last night. He went every week and they'd always be 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.080 like five dollars or ten dollars, and then it was 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.320 his funeral. I went to his you know, when he died. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.080 I went to his funeral and it was like a 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.360 kind of quaker'sh funeral. Everybody spoke and this man got 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.560 up and he said, you know, fred Elias was one 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.840 of the greatest guys they ever knew. But he never 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:58.880 won a game of poker. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.360 That was really sweet. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.800 You know. He did that every Friday. That's not my dad, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.560 but every day. So what would she cook? What did 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.360 your mom cook for you? What were her dishes like? 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:15.080 Do you remember? 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.760 Like most mothers, she'd cook a good spaghetti, bilonnaise, really 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.920 good with fish because we get a lot of fish 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:24.760 from the from the market. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.320 She'd do a really good roast as well. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.560 My kind either all of them, you know. Douse your 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:32.480 father ever cook? 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:34.360 I can't remember him cooking. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.520 And did you ever go in the kitchen? Did you 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.240 ever know? 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.680 I wish I had. And I think that's the one 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.160 thing we fail our kids on. I think that should 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.600 be an absolute must learn at school. I mean they 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.440 used to offer it all the time that you still 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.960 can do a bit of cooking at school. But it's 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.720 a it's a life scale, it's a life you can 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.560 be really passionate about it, you know, rather than making 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.640 kids that are not very good at maths. Yes, you've 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.680 got to get your basic numbers and stuff, and reading 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.120 is really important, I think. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.960 But the next thing after those two for me has 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.400 to be like cooking. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:11.400 You know. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.680 That's what's one thing we all do forever is eat. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.760 The River Cafe is excited and June eighth we're opening 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.680 the River Cafe Cafe. Come for a morning Briochian cappuccino, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.400 a plate of seasonal antipasity on the terrace, or an 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.199 ice cream or a peratibo in the sun. We can't 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:46.959 wait to open and we cannot wait to welcome you. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.600 You came from this home in Leicester with your mother cooking, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.440 your father playing cards, your badly dinners. Tell us about 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.840 the football when you when sport came into your life. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.840 Well, I came into my life way before I can 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.640 remember from you know, from pretty much that's where I wore. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.359 It wasn't a specific days. Doesn't work like that in football. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.680 Now, you know. I grew up playing in the garden 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.600 my brother. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.520 We just kicked up all around all the time, obviously 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.200 reasonably good at even at nine ten eleven, I was 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.080 playing and scoring like loads of goals. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.640 So I just went from there and I was spotted 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.120 by Leicester when I was about twelve. It's funny. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.000 My dad's market store was a family of generational business, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.719 so the big grandfather my grandfather and his father before that. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.400 So yeah, my granddad used to come and watchers play 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.439 football everywhere. We were quite a well known family in 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:39.560 Leicester because of the market store. And my granddad was 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.600 watching me play one Sunday morning and the guy called 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.840 racial was there was Leicester City's chief scout and he 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.840 my granddad knew everyone, knew everyone. He said, oh, who 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.360 you watching? He said, I'm watching a little center forward 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.719 up there. I was tiny in those days, and he went, oh, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:56.720 that's my grandson. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:58.080 And they took me on. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.680 I trained two three nights a week at Leicester and 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.480 then saturdays as well for four or five years, and 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:06.480 then I got taken on. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.400 When did you leave the comfort of home? 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.960 Not until I was twenty four. It was funny. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.679 When I first joined Leicester, I joined as an apprentice 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.800 and I was paid sixteen pounds a week, but they 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.040 bought an extra five in an envelope for my mom 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.840 because because loads of the kids there that came were 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.839 in digs, so the food was provided for them. So 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.600 they said, well, because you know, you don't get the 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.440 luxury of getting free food or slipping a fiver for 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.080 your mom. So I'd always give it to my mum, 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.479 but she'd never take it a bit like you. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.080 You sh'd always give it me back. She's I don't 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 want you, I don't want your money. So I was on. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.240 Twenty one quid a week, not sixteen quid a week, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:47.120 which is a bonus. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.840 So you were at home, so you had protection around 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.760 you in terms of your comfort of home. But what 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.920 about protection for being suddenly when you found fame. I'll 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.240 just say that I once this is I think I 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.000 might have told this before, but one of my programs 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.520 I always remember was Michael Parkinson interviewing David Beckham and 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.679 George Best, and George Best was, you know. They were 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.880 on the sofa together and when he asked Beckham a question, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.280 Beckham said, you know, I'm in the presence of one 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.320 of the great heroes of my life. I think, really 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.440 I don't want to talk. You should just talk to him, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.200 you know. And what they did discuss was the you know, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.520 the difference between now and then. You know. The Best said, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.520 he just came from a simple life in the home 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.080 and suddenly he was thrust in this world without press 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:43.040 agents or managers or PR people or you know that 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.079 there was there was very little around you. Did you 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:46.880 feel the same. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.960 Way George bestall came from Northern Ireland to Manchester United 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.560 at a very young age, so it's a little bit 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.360 different when you've got it suddenly you are on your own. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.080 Whereas I kind of played for my hometown club for 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.640 the first eight years of my career, so. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.679 I was with parents, my brother, you know, we had 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:02.520 family all around. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.080 All my friends were still there, and I think that 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.319 helped me, even though I was a kind of slightly 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.920 late developer in terms of global kind of fame and 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.040 that sort of stuff. So I didn't really start making 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.280 my mark until I was in my twenties. Whereas, you know, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.840 people like Best and even David Becker, well he was 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.040 there were young superstars really, you know, people like Wayne Rooney, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.840 Mike Loewen, lots of players, and I was kind of 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.240 more gradual, and I think that helped me prepare for 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.680 that for a fame, but also be moving away from 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.280 home and all that sort of stuff. So I did 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.480 it at slightly older age than most of them do. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.520 And I think that was actually hugely beneficial for me. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.280 So it didn't feel like a massive massive change when 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:47.720 I shifted a little bit. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.360 And what was it like when you were twenty four? 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.280 Where did you go? There? 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.520 Went to Everton. It was a big It was a 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.800 big step because you're leaving your hometown club. And I 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:55.960 loved Leicster. It was my team. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.959 I'd supported them since I was a little kid. I'd 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.680 done well, I'd scored lots of goals there. But but 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.760 to trying to get build my career, I needed to 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.880 go to a kind of bigger club. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.040 At the time, they take care of you. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:10.720 Oh they were great. It was a great place. I 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.600 was only there for a year, but. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.280 You had an apartment by yourself. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:19.400 I was with my then first wife. We didn't get 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.280 more until the next year. But yeah, so we went 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:22.760 up together. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.240 Did Okay, she's a good cup. Michelle's a good cup. Yeah. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.000 I didn't cook down, No, I didn't cook until eight 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.480 years ago. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.000 Did you Did you have a sense of of health 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.480 and food and sport? Were you guided about the kind 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.760 of foods that would be better for you to perform? 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.240 Not as much as we should have been. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.880 I think nowadays that's it's one of the great changes 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.400 in football is the nutrition. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.480 Side of things. I think it's a gradual change. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.280 I think an understanding of what feeds the body, and 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.560 more professional outlets to more money coming into the game 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.560 so they could afford you know, clubs. Now, the staff 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.079 around football clubs, they are extraordinary. When I played, you'd 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.760 get you'd have a coach, a manager, a coach, maybe 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.920 another one other coach, goalkeeping coach. Possibly you'll have a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.679 physio and they some clubs have a doctor and that 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.319 was about it. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.240 Now there's there's. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.680 There're probably are five people just do a nutrition alone. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.800 They'll have cooks every day cooking them food after training. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.520 In all those kinds of things. It's changed dramatically. When 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.040 I was like, what you're doing for lunch, Well we're 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:29.880 going down the pub for. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.800 A pint and a pie before a game? 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.680 Yeah, well no, not before a game, after train enough, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:40.120 although all those some players, maybe some players maybe. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.760 Do you know what what what would be I mean 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.600 for you as an athlete if you knew we had 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.560 a game, what would you have for breakfast? And what 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.480 would you have a lunch? 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.240 Well, you wouldn't have lunch and breakfast. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.840 Probably a few playing at three o'clock, so you probably 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.640 basically have like a brunch at eleven o'clock or stuff. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.160 I don't actually know what they do pretty much now 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.080 because it used to be what you said, right, you 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.520 need some carbs and you for the energy and stuff 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.720 like that. But I think most of their diets is 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.840 very healthy. If you look at football as they're all 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.320 ripped now, like you know, all these abs everywhere. When 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.120 I first started playing, we were told, whatever you do, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.640 don't don't do any upper body weight work because you're 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.680 completely you know, you'll be all stiff and warding on 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.360 the pitch and you won't be as agile, absolute poppy, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.720 complete nonsense. So you never saw players particularly kind of 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.800 ripped and muscular in my day that you do now, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.320 because that's that was the thinking. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.520 I rarely talk about alcohol, you know, because this is 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.200 mostly about food. But I was wondering about how do 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.520 you combine discipline with pleasure because we've seen people like 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.520 George Best. How do you combine being a twenty four 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.320 year old with being somebody wanted to party, wanted to socialize, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:55.640 very handsome, with being they are and how do you 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.200 combine that figure with pleasure. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:15:59.440 I wasn't there. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.960 I was never a big drinker. I didn't drink, I 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.440 didn't go down. I wasn't one of those that went 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.760 down the pub after training, unlike some. So I kind 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.600 of looked after myself. I was very driven, very motivated, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.080 very ambitious to do better. So I tried to give 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.800 myself the best chance. Yes, I'd like to night out 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.360 with it with the best of them, but it's like 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.400 most players, the vast. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.320 Majority of players understood that. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.200 Even then, you know that it's not really a great 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.400 combination drinking loads of bikes and then playing in a 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.160 couple of days time I hadn't manager called John Wallace, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.160 so I was so terrified of that. He kind of 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.000 stopped me doing any of that nonsense. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.920 What about when you went to Barcelona? 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:39.880 Also? It was fabulous. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.360 It was a great experience, a wonderful place to live. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.720 Was it the first experience in a foreign city or 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:47.680 had I'd. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:48.400 Been on holidays? 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.840 I've been lots of holidays, but it was the first 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.000 time i'd ever You know, I didn't really contemplate going 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.400 to live abroad, but then the opportunity came. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.280 You go by yourself or got married just before we went. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.160 So I played the World Cup in eighty six in Mexico, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.679 came back, got married, went on honeymoon, went straight to 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:09.600 Barcelona from. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.440 There, and so the two of you had an apartment there. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.840 We had a yeah, we actually the first four months 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.520 we thought we thought, yeah, this is it, superstardom and 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.280 stuff that, you know, We'll go up and they'll put 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.520 us in a like a luxurious hotel, penthouse suite and 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.440 all that stuff. And we actually got there and we 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.240 checked in this hotel which was a four star hotel, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.920 and we were given our room key, and we had 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.439 like we had an entire world with us, like loads 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.359 of cases and stuff like that. And we went in 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.800 and we got in the room that is actually smaller 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.280 than this room we're in there, fairly private, nice room, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:47.840 but it was a nice room. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.040 But so we got in this room. We didn't know enough. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.880 I had to buy the room. I had to pay 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.720 for the room next door to put our cases in. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.560 And Mark Hughes was a player at Manchester United that 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.560 side well that time, he'd just been bought and he 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.119 came and arrived at the same time and me and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.720 arrived in the same day and he came down and 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.960 knocked on my door and he said, I'm just checking 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.679 your rooms as shit as mine. And it was like 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.040 this really brown, dank, dark place. And we ended up 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.120 in there for four months, did you Yeah? But eventually 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:22.960 we got in a nice villa and we had three 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.120 amazing years. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.960 And it was three years. How did that affect your 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:28.639 food and eating? 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.560 And I mean, I love the food there? 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:31.199 Why did you love? 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.879 I loved the fresh fish that was always available. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.240 I mean it's obviously you know, you're living in a 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:42.720 port there, and some great restaurants. I loved tapas. I 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.760 love pie here the beach. I mean we had an 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.879 amazing lifestyle. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:47.520 We get up. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.800 I'd get up in the morning about nine something, go 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.159 to the ground. We'd train for you know, a couple 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.359 of hours. By lunchtime you had done, I'd come home. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.760 We're jumping the car, go to the beach club Castela Fells. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.080 We'd have like a seafood and a play here on 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:06.520