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Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 2: My brother Michael Elias, is a writer and director of movies,

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Speaker 2: tells me that when even a world famous actor comes

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Speaker 2: onto a set, no one on the crew bats an eye.

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Speaker 2: The only exception as if the visitor is an athlete.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because everyone thinks, if pressed, they could act,

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Speaker 2: or sing or dance, but never run a race, ski

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Speaker 2: Gary Lineker, one of the great footballers of our time,

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Speaker 2: walks into the River Cafe, everyone stops what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: and some months ago I stopped what I was doing

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Speaker 2: after reading his brave defense of refugees landing in Britain

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Speaker 2: and his pleas for empathy compassion for people in peril.

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Speaker 2: Gary is never silenced on issues he feels strongly about.

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Speaker 2: This sense of justice runs deep. He's one of the

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Speaker 2: very few footballers never to have received a red or

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Speaker 2: yellow cat, consistent with who he is, principled, respectful and fair.

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Speaker 2: We're also both in the world of podcasts, although there

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Speaker 2: is no comparison when his company, Goldhanger, has eighteen million

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Speaker 2: Gary and I also share the world of food and

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Speaker 2: This is not the first time a footballer has stepped

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Speaker 2: on my turf. There's nothing Beckham loves more than cooking.

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Speaker 2: Ian Wright has his own food brand. Look at Gary's

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Speaker 2: Instagram and you'll see as many photographs of what he's

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Speaker 2: cooking as the goals he's analyzing. On Match of the Day,

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Speaker 2: Gary has been in the kitchen with Joseph Travelli making

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Speaker 2: potato yaki with tomato sauce. So the nyaki, what do

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Speaker 3: I love yoki. I think it's quite versatile as well.

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Speaker 3: You can kind of make it crispy and bake it

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Speaker 3: and stuff as well. But it just works with tomatoes,

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Speaker 3: thank you, doesn't it. I think I always always go

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Speaker 3: to tomatoes with yaki.

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Speaker 2: It just was perfect because I was in actually last

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Speaker 2: it was so much better. I saw the other ones

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Speaker 1: Do it with you can do, but it's never as

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's something about yeah, Italian tomatoes as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you cook a lot of Italian? Do you

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Speaker 2: go for Italian food?

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Speaker 1: I cook a yeah, I do a lot of Italian food.

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Speaker 3: They I suppose it's it's kind of one of the

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Speaker 3: cook probably Italian and Indiana my favorite too.

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Speaker 2: Have you been to India?

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Speaker 1: No, It's on my bucket list actually.

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Speaker 2: And so let's go back to growing up, because you

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Speaker 1: I was born in Lesti, and what was the food

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Speaker 3: Well, my dad was a market trader and he's a fruitter,

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Speaker 3: It was an outdoor market, the biggest outdoor market in

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Speaker 3: There were also fish traders there was a fish you know,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a wholesale market was it didn't get distributed

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Speaker 3: You're talking about this mart Bester market. Leicester's now famous

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Speaker 1: Properly, how do you say it properly? Well, Leicester?

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Speaker 1: To say it.

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Speaker 2: Does your family still live there?

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Speaker 1: The only distant family.

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Speaker 3: Now my my mom and dad passed away eight seven,

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Speaker 2: Which so have you had the ingredients of fruit and

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Speaker 2: vegetables and fish meat, but I didn't cook.

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Speaker 1: A good cook.

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Speaker 3: She actually born in a place called Sherringham which is

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Speaker 3: she was I think it was about ten ten or eleven,

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Speaker 2: Be comes mom was a hairdresser.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of data. Yeah, you can then come

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Speaker 2: to a conclusion that two footballers had bombs were addressing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But she was a good cook, love cooking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she work all day and then as well.

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Speaker 3: When I was young, and then she kind of stopped hairdressing.

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Speaker 1: And my dad used to have a card school.

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Speaker 3: The card school a girl called Kaluki playing cards as

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Speaker 3: he was a gambler, and they used to have like

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Speaker 3: but they'd start at like six o'clock in the evening,

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Speaker 1: But I'd go to bed, you know, because I'd have school.

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Speaker 3: On Monday morning, and then i'd wake up in the

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Speaker 2: You know my dad. I grew up in upstate New

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Speaker 2: Every Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: They played poker as well sometimes.

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Speaker 2: And every Friday morning I'd come to go before I

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Speaker 2: I won last night. Here's five dollars, Ruthie, I won

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Speaker 2: last night. He went every week and they'd always be

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Speaker 2: up and he said, you know, fred Elias was one

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Speaker 2: won a game of poker.

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Speaker 1: That was really sweet.

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Speaker 2: You know. He did that every Friday. That's not my dad,

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Speaker 2: but every day. So what would she cook? What did

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Speaker 2: Do you remember?

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Speaker 3: Like most mothers, she'd cook a good spaghetti, bilonnaise, really

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Speaker 1: She'd do a really good roast as well.

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Speaker 2: My kind either all of them, you know. Douse your

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Speaker 1: I can't remember him cooking.

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Speaker 2: And did you ever go in the kitchen? Did you

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Speaker 3: I wish I had. And I think that's the one

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Speaker 3: thing we fail our kids on. I think that should

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Speaker 3: a it's a life scale, it's a life you can

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Speaker 3: be really passionate about it, you know, rather than making

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Speaker 1: But the next thing after those two for me has

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's what's one thing we all do forever is eat.

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Speaker 2: The River Cafe is excited and June eighth we're opening

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Speaker 2: You came from this home in Leicester with your mother cooking,

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Speaker 2: your father playing cards, your badly dinners. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: the football when you when sport came into your life.

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Speaker 3: Well, I came into my life way before I can

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a specific days. Doesn't work like that in football.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know. I grew up playing in the garden

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Speaker 3: We just kicked up all around all the time, obviously

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Speaker 1: So I just went from there and I was spotted

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Speaker 3: My dad's market store was a family of generational business,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, my granddad used to come and watchers play

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Speaker 3: my granddad knew everyone, knew everyone. He said, oh, who

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Speaker 3: you watching? He said, I'm watching a little center forward

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Speaker 3: that's my grandson.

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Speaker 1: And they took me on.

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Speaker 3: I trained two three nights a week at Leicester and

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Speaker 3: then saturdays as well for four or five years, and

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Speaker 3: then I got taken on.

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Speaker 2: When did you leave the comfort of home?

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Speaker 1: Not until I was twenty four. It was funny.

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Speaker 3: When I first joined Leicester, I joined as an apprentice

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Speaker 3: and I was paid sixteen pounds a week, but they

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Speaker 3: bought an extra five in an envelope for my mom

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Speaker 3: but she'd never take it a bit like you.

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Speaker 1: You sh'd always give it me back. She's I don't

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Speaker 3: Twenty one quid a week, not sixteen quid a week,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: It's totally different. It was.

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Speaker 2: time I work on a Saturday or whatever. You know,

444
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Speaker 2: you could just always know that between Fulham playing or

445
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: Chelsea playing, then it's always three o'clock.

446
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: Well genuine it is, unless they're on TV then they'll

447
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: move the schedule. But yeah, I don't know why the

448
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: three o'clock came start. Probably before darkness. Maybe they wanted

449
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: to play early enough before they had really good floodlights

450
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: and stuff. Although in the winter it's still dark before,

451
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: so I don't know how that works. But I need

452
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Speaker 3: to find out why do we kick off at three o'clock.

453
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Speaker 1: There'll be a reason.

454
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: Maybe, Okay, the audience. You talk about the exhilaration of

455
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: an audience, what happens when you score a goal?

456
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Speaker 3: Scoring a goal is it is the one thing that

457
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: I probably miss about that feeling. It's like it's really

458
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 3: hard to describe. It's like just an explosion of different

459
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 3: emotions of joy, of relief, of happiness and stuff. And

460
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: the reason it's I think it's so special and the

461
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: reason that football is supposed so special is that the

462
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: value of a goal is so so important because you know,

463
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Speaker 3: you can you know in America, I go, for example,

464
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: and they used to used to go but you you know,

465
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: you're only you can have a game that there there's

466
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Speaker 3: no goals or there's only one goal. And I said, yes,

467
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: but that that is the magic of football because it

468
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Speaker 3: is so important.

469
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Speaker 1: So you have a moment. And it's the same for

470
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Speaker 1: fans watching when their seam scores.

471
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Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's amazing because you know how

472
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Speaker 3: significant a goal can be. So when you're the person

473
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Speaker 3: that's actually scoring that goal, it's like it's like cheering

474
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: for your team, except it's you that's doing it, and

475
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 3: there's nothing like it, and other conversations with that, and

476
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: Cheerer and Michael Owen proper goal scorers and and funny enough,

477
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Speaker 3: I suppose to Andy Cole the other day we were

478
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: talking about the same things that there's nothing, nothing in life,

479
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: not even eating at the River caf. I'm really sorry, however, wonderfully,

480
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: how wonderfully always.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we might you know, fix that we're going

482
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Speaker 2: to get you there. I feel I'm definitely but you

483
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: know what, I always when I watch football, and I

484
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: do watch football, I do watch it that I remember

485
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: thinking that it is the only time you see men

486
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 2: showing so much affection to each other physical tagging and kissing.

487
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: There are all these guys and they're publicly like in

488
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Speaker 2: each other's arms and that kind.

489
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Speaker 1: Of very metrosexual. Well it just but it was beautiful.

490
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: But what about the other side of that, when you're missical,

491
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: when you don't do you feel the hostel?

492
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Speaker 1: It's rubbish, It's it's a horrible is.

493
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Speaker 2: The downside of that?

494
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Speaker 1: There is?

495
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: Well, that's it, and that's why scory makes that's why

496
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Speaker 3: when you do do it, because it's it's obviously the

497
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: most important thing, and there are days where you will

498
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: be rubbish, but it's how you deal with that. I

499
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: was always looking. I didn't get too carried away when

500
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: things were going well. It's kind of how I am.

501
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: I've got very kind of stable demeanor and stuff, and

502
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: I don't get over excited when things are going well.

503
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Speaker 1: But I didn't get down when they weren't.

504
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: And I think you're either like that you're on So

505
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: I didn't pressure and that kind of thing didn't really

506
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Speaker 3: worry me at all.

507
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Speaker 2: If you like listening to Ruthie's Table for would you

508
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: please make sure to rape and review the podcast on

509
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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get

510
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: your podcasts. Thank you. What we're seeing now is also

511
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: a kind of true unity in terms of the politics

512
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: of sport. You know, I experienced it in the Mexican Olympics,

513
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: which because I'm quite old, the nineteen sixty eight when

514
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: they did the plat power and you saw a sport

515
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: becoming politicized. And we've seen it in America with you know,

516
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: racism on the field. Do you feel that that did

517
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: you have Do you think that also, like food has

518
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: become more more now that.

519
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: I think it has, and I think there are a

520
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: variety of reasons for that. I think that you know,

521
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: you go back to this happened once to twice in

522
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 3: the Olympics, didn't it happen you know, in Germany way back?

523
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's more the fact

524
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: that players now, in whatever sport have you know, big

525
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: players have big platforms, social media.

526
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Speaker 1: I think that's made a huge difference.

527
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: Pretty much all sport now is televised, whereas that certainly

528
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: wasn't the case. So I think yes, and I'm actually

529
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: really proud of a lot of our plays young, you

530
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: know people Marcus Rashford's you know, I mean, it's come

531
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: to a footballer to insist that kids get fed at school,

532
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: which seems a bit but amazing what he did. You know,

533
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: we've seen, you know, lots of players standing up against racism,

534
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan Henderson got all the captions together during

535
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: the COVID thing and did you know, and they've become

536
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: really public. Now I understand why some don't want to

537
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: do that because I think you've you've got to be

538
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: prepared for criticism if you do that, because people say,

539
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: stick to football. It's you know all this nonsense, so

540
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: you've got to be kind of strong of mind and

541
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 3: be able to take flat and thick skinned. But I've

542
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: really been proud of our young footballers. I think, you know,

543
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: you take this young the England squad. Now you know,

544
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: they're kind of just a lovely bunch of characters and

545
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: they've brought a really good feeling back to our game.

546
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: You should also be proud of yourself because you've taken

547
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: stance that, as I said in the introduction, that are

548
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: bold and brave. We could talk about the experience your

549
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: head most recently or other ones that you feel that

550
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: you had to take a stand.

551
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just something that is, you know, a couple

552
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: of issues. You know, people say you should stay out

553
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: of politics and stuff. I don't really see them necessarily.

554
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Is just political issues. I think the humanitarian issues that

555
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: I take a stand for and I always well, I

556
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: have done, and I think I've changed as a person as.

557
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I've got older.

558
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: I think when I was young, I was cold, I

559
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: was driven nothing, I never thought about things like that.

560
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: What changed for me really was social media because I

561
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: got involved. You know, I got onto Twitter and I

562
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: quite enjoyed it and I grew a big.

563
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Speaker 2: Following, like nine million.

564
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Speaker 1: Just under that. I mean, it's a lot of people.

565
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Speaker 3: So I mean, if you've got a platform like that,

566
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, I just think what a waste it will

567
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: be not to use it for what I think. That

568
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: not everyone will agree, obviously, I understand that what I

569
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 3: think is to use it as a power for good.

570
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: And you know, I've always felt quite strongly about you know,

571
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: human beings not being kind enough to each other everywhere,

572
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: you know, particularly this kind of tribality that we have,

573
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: and you know, it's them and us, and they're foreigners

574
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 3: and they're come in here, and it's like we need

575
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: people coming from all different parts of the world. And

576
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: how you know, put yourself in a situation where it

577
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: say it was London and suddenly we were being you know,

578
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: bomb like they are perhaps now in Gaza or something

579
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: that kind of situation, And imagine you had to try

580
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: somehow to flee home, and you jumped in a kind

581
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: of very risky boat and you travel around half the

582
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: world and eventually arrive at country and nobody wants you.

583
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Speaker 1: No country can have everybody, you can't.

584
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: You know, you have to have a various way you know,

585
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: but have some safe ruts and stuff. But it's just

586
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: the lack of empathy that I find hard to believe

587
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: for people that have Imagine what how desperate things have

588
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: got to be to you know, jump in a dingy

589
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: that risk your life and your life of your children

590
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: to seek kind of sanctuary somewhere and then not to

591
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: be well received. And it's I just I find it

592
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: hard to understand. And I think it's incomprehensible that you

593
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: I understand people some people don't have any empathy at

594
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: all for anyone. I would have been ashamed of myself

595
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: if I if I didn't didn't at least take a

596
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: stance about something that I felt quite strongly about.

597
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: And what was that like for you? What did you?

598
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: How did you find your you know, your fellow athletes

599
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: and you had people who really supported you?

600
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, joined there was one, you know, when I

601
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: responded to somebody's tweet that was having a pop at me,

602
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: and I, you know, just talked about something and then

603
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: it kind of escalated a little bit and then it

604
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: was really done by the Daily Mail because they're front page,

605
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: that took what I said completely out of context. And then,

606
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, we do have a tendency to for some

607
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: inexplicable and worry about the Daily Mail. So it kind

608
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: of led from there and it inspired a little bit

609
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: out of control.

610
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: But the support I had from my my I.

611
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: Call them teammates because once a football are always a footballer.

612
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: But it was actually one of the most emotional things

613
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: that I just found it.

614
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: It was incredible.

615
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: I shed a tear in the back of a black

616
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: taxi when Ian Right and Alan Shearer supported me, and

617
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: then everyone followed to you know, you know you've got mates,

618
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: and you know you like mates, and you have the

619
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: banter and stuff, and even a couple of days before

620
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: it happened, we have a little group chat with Ian

621
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: Right Alan Sheer and I said to them, I said,

622
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: I've got a feeling that might take me off the

623
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: show and Ian Wright said, oh, if they do that,

624
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: there's no way I'm doing the show.

625
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's one.

626
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: Thing saying that, but then actually to follow that through

627
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: and you learn then that you know they are real mates,

628
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, and you learn a little bit about what

629
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: they think about you. And I think that for me

630
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: was one of the most amazing things that I've gone

631
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: through in my life. The support side of it. The

632
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: other side, I could definitely live without. Having twenty odd

633
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: journeys outside my front door for about five six days

634
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: was weird.

635
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: But you have taken refugees into your home, you have

636
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: spoken out. You are a person that gives comfort to

637
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: so many people. So I suppose my last question to you,

638
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: and thank you so much for being here, is that

639
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: if you do go to food for comfort, if you

640
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: need comfort and you need something to eat, is there

641
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: a food that you would go to where that kind

642
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: of comfort.

643
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: It depends on which time of year it is, But

644
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: let's say it's winter.

645
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Cottage pie, Ah, cottage pie, debscribe a cottage pie. There

646
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: might be people in California who don't say.

647
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm terribly sorry.

648
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: Well, there's two types of pie, one called cottage pie,

649
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: one called the shepherd's pie.

650
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: One is lamb mints and one is beef mints.

651
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: Shepherd's pie is obviously Lamb's mints because the shepherd. So

652
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: if ever you get confused, that's the way to remember

653
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: around it. Coottash pies with minced beef. I don't know

654
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: why I've always liked it. My mum used to do it.

655
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons probably, And it's one of

656
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 3: the things I wanted to learn to cook, and then

657
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: I cook it a lot. But it's basically mince and mash,

658
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: typically a bit of Worcester sauce that you put in it. Yeah,

659
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: and it's like with a layer of mashed potato and

660
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: top a bit of cheesy, crispy top. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: love cooking, and it's great because my boys come around.

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Speaker 3: They like my cooking and they come around. It keeps

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Speaker 3: them coming around their adults now obviously, but you know, Dad,

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Speaker 3: are you in tonight bit of dinner?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do it. Yeah, so fine, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well we're going to get you to come and spend

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Speaker 2: a day in the River Cafe or maybe more than

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Speaker 2: a day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you think I'm expensive much? Sixteen for my.

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Speaker 2: Mom play that game of cards. Thank you very much. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's table for in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Montclair