Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast He's done locking up the.
Speaker 2: Charger from the Chris Wesling podcast studio.
Speaker 3: It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan hansis got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 2: and Mark Sessler. Yeah, I would say in our locks
Speaker 2: competition that locking up the Chargers is just asking for trouble.
Speaker 2: Whether you're a fan or enjoy their brand of football,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not predictable on any.
Speaker 4: Level, right, But you know, I appreciate what Jason's attempting
Speaker 4: to do there Jason Zumwelt, But like the actual facts
Speaker 4: are that I promised to never lock them again this season.
Speaker 3: If Greg I would have, I would happily do it.
Speaker 5: I'll be curious see if anyone dares lock against them
Speaker 5: this week. I feel like that's that's the most Uh,
Speaker 5: that's the biggest point spread you could lock.
Speaker 3: So we'll see interesting pick against just.
Speaker 2: Maybe when he's playing Patrick Mahomes they would, but it's
Speaker 2: been a tough matchup for him. Yes, this is a
Speaker 2: I don't know if another week will tie it. Perhaps
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't remember how it works, but
Speaker 2: there won't be another week that has more teams unbuy
Speaker 2: than a Week seven. Cincinnati, Dallas, Tennessee Jets, Carolina, Houston
Speaker 2: all off this week, so we have a fewer games
Speaker 2: to get to.
Speaker 3: I want to just throw a couple things out there.
Speaker 2: First of all, injuries, you're kind of going through the game,
Speaker 2: you're thinking about what's going on.
Speaker 3: In the league right now.
Speaker 2: Injuries feel like and I know injuries are always a
Speaker 2: big part of our league, but I counted up eight teams,
Speaker 2: that's a quarter of the league have a major injury
Speaker 2: issue at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3: Which it's early for that.
Speaker 2: There's nothing worse than dealing with an injury at the
Speaker 2: quarterback position. It can kind of take down a whole operation.
Speaker 2: In some cases it has. There are also as we
Speaker 2: enter Week seven boys, fifteen teams. Was my eldest son,
Speaker 2: Jack hopped into bed with me this morning and I
Speaker 2: was looking at the standings and I was just going
Speaker 2: through it all with him, and then he want to
Speaker 2: see like everything.
Speaker 3: So, oh, you could do that. The Deeper Metrics itemized it.
Speaker 2: I guess you could call it that, and then it
Speaker 2: was the entire league one through thirty two, and then
Speaker 2: it caught my eye. There are fifteen teams, nearly half
Speaker 2: the league that are either three and two, three and
Speaker 2: three or two and three, So parody is as strong
Speaker 2: as ever. Things are wide open, and you throw in
Speaker 2: the injuries to the all over the league, including out
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, it's a wide open season.
Speaker 4: Well, it's exactly what the NFL wants the mission accomplished
Speaker 4: on the battle.
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess it's what we want. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would say last year the one thing, but because
Speaker 4: I always feel like, oh, there's way more injuries this year,
Speaker 4: and then you if you dig down, it's like one
Speaker 4: percent more. But like last year, and you did this
Speaker 4: with QB Index with the end you have to rank
Speaker 4: every quarterback that appeared in a game, and they were
Speaker 4: like forty eight of them. So it's like, I think
Speaker 4: we're on pace to hit that again. Basically we're gonna
Speaker 4: we're gonna have more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether the data backs up that there are more
Speaker 2: injuries this year, I don't know, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: It's more just like it's just a reminder of how
Speaker 2: that is such a major factor in these seasons.
Speaker 3: You could go into a season feeling good about your.
Speaker 2: Roster, but it is the depth of your roster that
Speaker 2: really ultimately at least.
Speaker 4: It's also the week where I mean, and I've been
Speaker 4: barely tracking the fantasy league. I mean then, but there's
Speaker 4: a lot of squawking about, like a bunch of teams
Speaker 4: on buys and a bunch of injuries already, You've got
Speaker 4: like Joe Fabeats starting at running back at.
Speaker 2: This I'm gonna this is my favorite week of the year,
Speaker 2: by the way, So we got my my favorite team
Speaker 2: on buy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having a totally lost fantasy year.
Speaker 2: I'm already out of contention essentially, which thinks, but also
Speaker 2: there's a freedom to that. There is, So I got
Speaker 2: there no jets to worry about. I got no fantasy
Speaker 2: like thing to like obsess over. Just watch them football
Speaker 2: like the old days, like a real American, like.
Speaker 5: A true American, and then get my music now, and
Speaker 5: then go into a studio and honk about it for
Speaker 5: ninety minutes on Sunday night.
Speaker 3: Can't wait.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, these teams and coaches take alcoholics.
Speaker 3: They want to make a week.
Speaker 5: How there are six teams on buying week thirteen deep
Speaker 5: into the year, so that's'll be a nice little hmm
Speaker 5: aniebye for us.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: On Wednesday's show, in which we forked multiple teams, we
Speaker 2: previewed the Island games, the primetime games. Today, oh till
Speaker 2: later tonight, we're gonna have the recap of Thursday night football.
Speaker 5: Remind me of the game, Greg, it's Jack Saints. Hopefully
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence plays.
Speaker 2: Game time decision trending towards as we record this, and
Speaker 2: Greg will be on that call with a special guest.
Speaker 3: So that's coming up later tonight.
Speaker 2: But let's dig in now to the rest of the games,
Speaker 2: and the first overall pick of the week, presented by
Speaker 2: DraftKings does go to Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 3: Not Greg Rosenstein.
Speaker 4: No, No Bolt the one, the only I got lucky again.
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal. No, there are.
Speaker 4: More, you know what with there, I might be the
Speaker 4: only one with triple G, only one on the planet.
Speaker 4: I would guarantee you that's not the case.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've googled, I don't know. It's possible.
Speaker 3: There's not another Dan Hansis. I can tell you that there.
Speaker 4: Is a Mark Cecil with a sn and I think
Speaker 4: he's like a chef on the East Coast.
Speaker 3: Kill him. Yeah, he's got to go, he must go.
Speaker 5: I'm taking Lions Ravens. Let's you know, remove Donner dram
Speaker 5: out here.
Speaker 3: What a game.
Speaker 5: I mean, we already talked one of the games of
Speaker 5: the year's Dolphins Eagles. But there's two games this week, Dan,
Speaker 5: involving two teams ranked in the top seven DVOA on
Speaker 5: the season, and that's your number two Detroit Lions right
Speaker 5: now and your number four Baltimore Ravens. So that's a
Speaker 5: little numerical support to the feeling that I've had that
Speaker 5: this Ravens team is better than the dumb mistakes that
Speaker 5: they made. That underlying foundation in terms of how tough
Speaker 5: they are on both sides of the ball, how much
Speaker 5: they move the ball, and how well they've done preventing
Speaker 5: other teams to move the ball is the profile of
Speaker 5: a really good team. And it's to show me something
Speaker 5: game for both teams, kind of like who's tougher?
Speaker 3: That's how I start.
Speaker 5: Both of these teams have been able to run the
Speaker 5: ball at various points, but not all the time, and
Speaker 5: I think they both really want to.
Speaker 3: So who's going to be tougher? Upfront?
Speaker 4: I love the idea of like Rokwan Smith, who is
Speaker 4: a big friend of our show, for various reasons dating
Speaker 4: back to last season and Patrick Queen end of the show.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was the subject of a much debated
Speaker 5: emergency podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeh, but he's been like that trade, which you know,
Speaker 4: like the Bears gave up, gave.
Speaker 3: Up on him, like the superstar.
Speaker 4: He's been great for them and I think he's made
Speaker 4: Patrick Queen better and and their defense are.
Speaker 3: Good a lot, a little bit of a flash playing focus.
Speaker 4: I know in the end the emergency podcast looks like
Speaker 4: he should be in the Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was. It was pressing, and like they've they've been
Speaker 4: good versus the past as well, and it's like, I
Speaker 4: I like this Lion's passing game. I feel like there's
Speaker 4: been these periods with Jared Goff where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: he fits in the offense, but it's not because of
Speaker 4: Jared Goff. And it's like Jared Goff's making some plays
Speaker 4: because he's got some talent around him.
Speaker 3: And then they got a great offensive lines.
Speaker 4: So now I'm like Jared Goff is like actually on
Speaker 4: a week two week basis.
Speaker 3: Playing the best football of his entire career and.
Speaker 4: Feels like he's PFF's number one quarterback, very similar to
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen at this point in the season, when he
Speaker 4: was a legit MVP candidate.
Speaker 2: We all owe Jared goffin apology because I can't remember
Speaker 2: another player that reached the heights that he did in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles that was ever written off or thought of
Speaker 2: more as an afterthought.
Speaker 3: Go check the tape of this podcast.
Speaker 2: Maybe one of us was into it, but it all
Speaker 2: seemed like that's Stafford trade. He was the guy that
Speaker 2: went back to make the money work. He was the
Speaker 2: guy that would simply serve as the bridge till the Lions,
Speaker 2: you know, hit the reboot the quarterback position, and instead
Speaker 2: he's become a real obvious difference maker. Now does that
Speaker 2: mean that he can't be flummis that he can't fail
Speaker 2: in a big spot if you cook him up and
Speaker 2: put him in a comfortable spot. Of course, that can happen.
Speaker 2: It just hasn't really happened very often in Detroit.
Speaker 5: And this is one week where it could. Because I'm
Speaker 5: really impressed with Mike McDonald. I give John Harbaugh a
Speaker 5: lot of credit for this hire that he made to
Speaker 5: replay McDonald, Don Wink, Martindale. Harbor has been really good
Speaker 5: at hires in general. I would say that's one of
Speaker 5: his strengths as a coach. And if anyone can make
Speaker 5: Jared Goff hold the ball a little longer and can
Speaker 5: cook him up with some pressures, I think it's Mike
Speaker 5: McDonald in this Ravens defense. Now, they do have some injuries.
Speaker 5: Marcus Williams we saw go right past us in London
Speaker 5: with that hamstring injury. I don't think he's gonna play
Speaker 5: in this game. They don't have a great pass rush,
Speaker 5: which is surprising for such a good defense, but they
Speaker 5: do like to cook you up a little bit with
Speaker 5: their pressure.
Speaker 3: I think they use like their secondary and their pressure
Speaker 3: a lot too.
Speaker 4: They have eleven different players with a sack that's no team,
Speaker 4: No team can touch that. I you know, I think
Speaker 4: though with Detroit with no David Montgomery, Jamiir Gibbs is
Speaker 4: still banged up. It sounds like he could potentially play,
Speaker 4: but even like Craig Reynolds, their number three guy, it
Speaker 4: didn't practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: We'll see about I.
Speaker 5: Think it's a Jamiir Gibbs game. I think they're gonna
Speaker 5: need some time for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, let's have a big Jamiir
Speaker 2: Gibbs game because they drafted him to be an immediate
Speaker 2: impact player and let's see if he's healthy enough to
Speaker 2: do so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Almost talked about the top of the show. A lot
Speaker 2: of quarterback injuries. Almost every team we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about has a position group that's kind of under siege.
Speaker 2: For the Lions, it is that running back room with injuries.
Speaker 2: That's that is a good game, Greg, It's a great game.
Speaker 5: They're three point favorites, by the way, the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 5: in this game, and they need.
Speaker 2: That feels that seems like a little overly respectful, but.
Speaker 5: It's basically saying two even ish teams. I think that's
Speaker 5: that's right. But you Baltimore feels like, let's pick it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: let's pick it.
Speaker 3: I like the Lions. I'm taking Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Detroit. I think Ravens and we were
Speaker 2: we saw it up close in London. They're red zone
Speaker 2: issues that jump out to me. And I think the
Speaker 2: Lions are going to continue to move the ball and
Speaker 2: put up points. Are the Ravens or the Ravens able
Speaker 2: to do that and match them? If this game starts
Speaker 2: turning into maybe not a shootout, but gets into the twenties.
Speaker 4: I came really close to locking the Lions. I think
Speaker 4: that this is the reason all this game is. I
Speaker 4: don't remember a time in my life when Detroit Baltimore
Speaker 4: was something that was a source of intrigue for me,
Speaker 4: and it's completely that.
Speaker 5: It's very intriguing. I don't want to beat a you know,
Speaker 5: the same drum every week. But man, we just need
Speaker 5: Bateman in Beckham to make plays for them, because I
Speaker 5: think that's where the mismatch could be. Detroit's been sneaky,
Speaker 5: very banged up in their secondary and they should be
Speaker 5: able to win some of those one on ones on
Speaker 5: the outside, but they haven't.
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Speaker 3: Of the NFL.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. This is an easy one.
Speaker 2: I believe this could have easily been the first overall pick.
Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Chargers traveling to Arrowhead to face the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Chiefs are laying five and a half
Speaker 2: points here. By the way, the over under that Lion's
Speaker 2: Ravens game forty three. That feels alright to me forty
Speaker 2: three here it's forty eight. And we talked about it
Speaker 2: on the show Wednesday. Mikole Hardman joins the Chiefs or
Speaker 2: rejoins the Chiefs in a trade from the Jets. You
Speaker 2: assume this is a guy that is going to be
Speaker 2: able to join the fray and be a part of
Speaker 2: this offense rather quickly. And while he is not a
Speaker 2: difference maker, he was a real piece of that team
Speaker 2: when he was there, and they need somebody. I think
Speaker 2: that's the thing that's gonna jump out to me here,
Speaker 2: and we can get into the Charger side of it,
Speaker 2: and how much Herbert struggled on Monday night and the
Speaker 2: disappointment of that game. But the Chiefs, for me, one
Speaker 2: of the biggest stories in the league is in the
Speaker 2: second half of the regular season, because Kansas City is
Speaker 2: gonna be alright, They're going to go thirteen and four,
Speaker 2: twelve and five or fourteen and three, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: be there. But are they going to be able to
Speaker 2: identify either on the roster now or at the trade deadline,
Speaker 2: that missing piece on their offense, and in a game
Speaker 2: with against an elite passer like Herbert, will they be
Speaker 2: able to get into.
Speaker 3: A shootout and win if it comes to that.
Speaker 5: I think they're not ready for that now. But I
Speaker 5: think this is a perfect test because we've just seen
Speaker 5: this matchup so many times in the Brank's Daily era,
Speaker 5: and so we know what a Chief's offense looks like
Speaker 5: against this Chargers defense. And I know the Chargers defense
Speaker 5: came out of the by with a relatively promising performance
Speaker 5: against Dallas, couldn't get the stops when they really needed it,
Speaker 5: and you took a fourth down stop early in the
Speaker 5: game that took some points off the board. And I
Speaker 5: hesitate to say that, like, ooh, the Chargers defense is
Speaker 5: really making some big improvements. The old Chargers Chiefs offense
Speaker 5: rather Dan like, would get thirty two points in this
Speaker 5: matchup every single time, every single time. And so if
Speaker 5: they are stuck in a low scoring game, and I
Speaker 5: kind of expect they will be, then we know it's
Speaker 5: absolutely different. They're gonna have to start taking some guys
Speaker 5: out of the lineup, whether it's Val the Scantling or
Speaker 5: sky Moore.
Speaker 3: Someone's got to get taken out. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I think Dan yesterday thought, well, Michael Hardman, fine, but
Speaker 4: like you kind of would want the Chiefs to go
Speaker 4: source and find someone a little bit more juicy, and
Speaker 4: they didn't do that.
Speaker 3: I don't. The trade to me feels but they do.
Speaker 3: But that this is not going to solve their problems.
Speaker 3: I'm four.
Speaker 4: This is their defense. I mean, that's like the Chiefs defense,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, second fewest yards per game, and
Speaker 4: like there's just consistency. They've had the same coaching staff
Speaker 4: there for so long, and like they've got nine they've
Speaker 4: been given nine days rest off to that kind of
Speaker 4: wacky game against the Broncos, right, I kind of felt
Speaker 4: like the Chiefs were just sort of screwing around during
Speaker 4: part of that game, just sort of throwing things at
Speaker 4: the no.
Speaker 5: I think they were, I hear what you're saying. They
Speaker 5: throw a lot of trick plays and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But it's kind of like because their normal stuff doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Well, they are working through that.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I think their defense is one of
Speaker 4: the reasons they're allowed to do that without getting caught
Speaker 4: into tight losses.
Speaker 5: You mentioned the rest tough break here for the Chargers.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a legitimate gripe that the Chiefs
Speaker 5: get five extra days rest.
Speaker 3: In the in the biggest road division games, in these.
Speaker 2: Two teams especially right, Yeah, there are some insane stat
Speaker 2: about that that.
Speaker 3: Let's see. Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: Andy Reid with four plus days of rest advantage as
Speaker 2: head coach in his career twenty seven and three.
Speaker 4: That just makes me like, imagine him like taking long,
Speaker 4: comfortable naps.
Speaker 2: And some of this is he's had great head coach
Speaker 2: and has had great teams, but plus thirty three turnover
Speaker 2: differential average final score essentially twenty six to sixteen. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so LA's against it a little bit right now, Greg,
Speaker 2: What did you take from the Herbert performance on Monday night?
Speaker 5: I thought people got a little carried away wanting to
Speaker 5: like show hey for once, it was justin Herbert's fault.
Speaker 5: I thought he played a pretty good three quarters. Certainly
Speaker 5: didn't end that game well really, I thought he missed
Speaker 5: a lot of threat. He missed plenty of throws, but
Speaker 5: he made plenty of throws too.
Speaker 3: I don't know like.
Speaker 5: Why the glove, on the offhand would make that big
Speaker 5: of a difference inaccuracy. I'm not smart enough to know that,
Speaker 5: so I don't really that doesn't make sense to me
Speaker 5: as the reason why.
Speaker 3: Who's saying that? Well, just like that.
Speaker 5: That his performance was so odd off accuracy wise, and
Speaker 5: for the first time, he's playing with this broken finger
Speaker 5: and he's wearing a glove, which he he absolutely never does.
Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like that's the reason why, because he
Speaker 5: also made a lot of really good throws in that game.
Speaker 5: The thing that is Herbert's superpower, though, I think makes
Speaker 5: them look worse in games like that, which is like
Speaker 5: he refuses to take a sack. So in a game
Speaker 5: where he was heated up, he was pressured on almost
Speaker 5: fifty percent of his passes. That's the most in any
Speaker 5: Chargers game this year. It's like that would lead the
Speaker 5: league by far if that was consistent. You know, getting
Speaker 5: pressured that much, he just gets rid of the ball
Speaker 5: and so he's having to make quick decisions. He refuses
Speaker 5: to take a sack, and it led to a lot
Speaker 5: of bad throws, but they were also as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: just like four or five throws he missed.
Speaker 3: Ones that usually.
Speaker 2: So that was I would imagine he was very frustrated
Speaker 2: with his performance there.
Speaker 5: I give this Chiefs linebacker group a lot of credit.
Speaker 3: I really like them.
Speaker 5: Nick Bolton, Drew Tranquil when he's out there, Willie Gate like,
Speaker 5: I think that's been a little bit of their secret sauce.
Speaker 5: They're pretty good at every level of their defense. You
Speaker 5: mentioned the stats like they were legit top ten defense.
Speaker 5: So this is a different Chiefs defense than the charge.
Speaker 3: Those guys have been. They generate big takeaway right, Bolton
Speaker 3: and Tranquiled, it's like God passing downs. I really liked them.
Speaker 2: The other guy that's jumped out to me with the
Speaker 2: Chiefs again, that's the offense.
Speaker 3: And I'm really interested in here.
Speaker 2: Is Isaiah Pachenko.
Speaker 3: That's a tough name for me.
Speaker 2: Check he's been good and sat it right. He has
Speaker 2: not been He has not been the problem for them.
Speaker 2: But again they need that. They need somebody else and
Speaker 2: maybe you we'll see something this week. Khalil Mack, by
Speaker 2: the way, has seven sacks this year. Really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I mean one.
Speaker 4: I went down that road with Shaq Barrett though that
Speaker 4: one time, and I got, you know, totally fried with
Speaker 4: my instant analysis on that situation.
Speaker 3: Your analysis being that he will that good?
Speaker 4: Well, it was that all whenever you get these guys
Speaker 4: that have this game where like suddenly you play at
Speaker 4: a different, like human level, and then you I typically
Speaker 4: think you end up like three sacks.
Speaker 5: You thought he would be a bad free agent signing. No,
Speaker 5: I believe it was your thing. And then he was
Speaker 5: kind of the key to a Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 4: That's tilting the accuracy completely.
Speaker 3: I believe he was seen as a key difference maker.
Speaker 3: I just don't buy these. It's these one game explosions.
Speaker 3: You brought it up. That's fair. Why did I do that?
Speaker 3: All Right? The third overall pick goes to Mark and alright, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's easy for me.
Speaker 4: I probably would have taken this at number two and
Speaker 4: been like verbally fried by the group. But I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go Browns at cults what I think it's a fair coming.
Speaker 4: I'll start here.
Speaker 2: Hey, nobody is nobody's gonna fry you, huh for taking
Speaker 2: the Browns.
Speaker 3: This is good. Number three? Now, Mark, this is a
Speaker 3: safe Oh yeah, it's great. No one's gonna judge you.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, but your favorite quarterback plays for
Speaker 5: the other team though, you know, back in the day
Speaker 5: he was your I did have Ashew thing.
Speaker 3: But Minshew.
Speaker 4: You know, if they get the version of Gardner Minshew
Speaker 4: they got last week, which was what three picks in
Speaker 4: a strip sack and Cleveland is not actually for out
Speaker 4: good their defense has been. They have not been generating takeaways.
Speaker 4: I think they have four on the year, which is
Speaker 4: a little surprising for how.
Speaker 3: Good they've been.
Speaker 4: But Mint that version of Minshew, It's like, I feel
Speaker 4: like Minshew can like he'll give you two or three
Speaker 4: games where he's a little spicy, then the floor falls out.
Speaker 3: I don't remember ever seeing him that bad.
Speaker 4: No, he looked awful, and that was the Jaguars defense
Speaker 4: being better than we've expected them to be.
Speaker 3: Him. He made a lot of bad decisions, yeah, and
Speaker 3: just terrible.
Speaker 5: It's almost like he was like, I'm gonna show the
Speaker 5: Jaguars what they're missing out and then he just oh.
Speaker 3: They're happy.
Speaker 4: They seem happy to have moved on to a different
Speaker 4: quarterback of potential Hall of Famer down the road. I
Speaker 4: love this game for Cleveland as long as they get
Speaker 4: it depends. I think for me, what happens a quarterback,
Speaker 4: there's been some I think just the whole of Shawn
Speaker 4: Watson's situation, it's been really weird. Well is it the
Speaker 4: Mark Mark Cooper news? No, okay, good, but that maybe
Speaker 4: co Mary Cooper said he will He's going to practice today.
Speaker 2: So the Shawn Watson UH currently dealing with of a
Speaker 2: mystery injury later now revealed as a micro tear of
Speaker 2: the rotator cuff, and rap Sheet reported in the past
Speaker 2: hour that Watson is practicing today Thursday, for the first
Speaker 2: time in a while. Per oc Alex Van Help, confirming
Speaker 2: a report from Amari Cooper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark Cooper, like, I kind of appreciate a player coming.
Speaker 4: Is it a teammates, don't know, he's just giving us
Speaker 4: information like first and information about his teammate.
Speaker 3: Ahh, I got a big scoop. Yeah, gets shipped right
Speaker 3: into an immediate career. You know.
Speaker 4: For me, it's like they this is a still a
Speaker 4: Browns offense that I think is quite suspicious. Uh, they
Speaker 4: you don't have Nick Chubb. Jerome Ford helped out a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 3: Last week. They survived with PJ.
Speaker 4: Walker playing a really bad game at quarterback. Not a
Speaker 4: bad spot if to Sean Watson plays, He's not doesn't
Speaker 4: sound healthy to me. But if he plays, like, how
Speaker 4: about show up for once? Show up for once, because
Speaker 4: I think the defense can absolutely just take care of it.
Speaker 3: A Colts offense that like with Jonathan Taylor, like he
Speaker 3: needs to show up at some point.
Speaker 5: Well, Watson had his best game I think as a
Speaker 5: Brown on the game. He got hurt, so can he
Speaker 5: keep that going. It's against the Colts defense. We mentioned
Speaker 5: on Wednesday, Grover Stewart's now out for six games. To me,
Speaker 5: that was the one thing that had a chance to
Speaker 5: make this defense special. It's definitely not special otherwise, but
Speaker 5: they had a couple good defensive tackles. It's just hard
Speaker 5: to imagine this Gardner Minshew offense going up against the
Speaker 5: best defense in the league. The way that the Jags
Speaker 5: played the Colts last week was straight up disrespectful. It
Speaker 5: was crazy. It didn't matter what formation the Colts did.
Speaker 5: I think it was it Derek Klassen on Twitter put this,
Speaker 5: put this out there that you could they were putting
Speaker 5: out four wide receivers and it didn't matter, like the
Speaker 5: Jaguars were just staying in there. Maybe it was Nate
Speaker 5: Tice in their base formation and basically saying we're not
Speaker 5: gonna let you run the ball no matter what we
Speaker 5: will you can put howmever many receivers are out there,
Speaker 5: and we'll just leave our cornerbacks on an island. This
Speaker 5: is Jacksonville. I mean their cornerbacks. It's not the Browns
Speaker 5: by any means. It's like, well, we'll give you one
Speaker 5: on ones everywhere, but no matter what, we're not gonna
Speaker 5: let you run. And we don't think your wide receivers
Speaker 5: can beat us, and we don't think Gardner Minshew can
Speaker 5: beat us. And you know what, they were absolutely right,
Speaker 5: and so like, why wouldn't the Browns play that way?
Speaker 5: Why wouldn't every team play that way? Because Michael Pittman's
Speaker 5: the only guy that you really worry about, and you
Speaker 5: don't worry about Gardner Minshew being special making special throws.
Speaker 5: And by the way, like the Browns lock you down
Speaker 5: on the outside better than any.
Speaker 3: Team in the league. It is a tough match.
Speaker 4: I have a stat that Greg will absolutely not care about.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it. We know where how Greg Greg
Speaker 3: is in this world. I'm in your head, on my head.
Speaker 3: It's just the first thing that came to my mind
Speaker 3: when I read this right.
Speaker 2: When people think back to past conversations, that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that you live in their head.
Speaker 4: It is sumptuous exactly living in your head you are not,
Speaker 4: first of all.
Speaker 3: That's that's what they always say. Right now, So it
Speaker 3: makes me feel better, just I know. It's fine.
Speaker 4: Fewest yards allowed through five games in a season by
Speaker 4: a team since the nineteen seventy one Cults, that is
Speaker 4: the Browns. I mean, I threw that out there on
Speaker 4: Sunday night the last time. But remember when I was saying,
Speaker 4: I thought this, like the nineteen ninety four Bill Belichick defense,
Speaker 4: it's better than that so far. The last time they
Speaker 4: finished with the number one total defense, the Browns nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty five. There have been a lot of years of
Speaker 4: bad defense, and it's like, I think the Niners game
Speaker 4: last week was not all Cleveland's defense entirely. There was
Speaker 4: some weather involved and some other stuff. But like when
Speaker 4: they put it on teams like they really do it.
Speaker 4: And so I'm gonna know because I'm telling you why
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, because I'm taking the Cleveland Browns, I
Speaker 4: think for the first time in a really long time,
Speaker 4: and I'm locking them up against the cults on the road.
Speaker 4: They're giving up two point five points, two and a
Speaker 4: half points.
Speaker 2: Very nerve wracking for me and Rosenthal. Why locking up
Speaker 2: the Brownies. You haven't done it a lot.
Speaker 4: I didn't see a lot of good luck opportunities.
Speaker 5: We get dark Sessler if they blow it against the
Speaker 5: Minshew And that line is probably gonna change if Watson plays,
Speaker 5: which at this point, if he's practicing, signs are pointing up.
Speaker 2: It's actually gone up to three already. Why practice, He's
Speaker 2: got to be feeling somewhat better to be practicing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, that's I think it's a solid look. I
Speaker 2: think the Browns are in good position in that game.
Speaker 2: Let's see. All right, one more Marks sneaks back to you.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: I like to watch disasters just unfold before my eyes,
Speaker 4: and I am Maggie.
Speaker 3: You like blowouts you can finish your notes with in
Speaker 3: quarter two? Is what you're like to see.
Speaker 2: Well, he's got the Brownies, and he wants to keep
Speaker 2: the focus where it needs in this case.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you've sent some passion around my
Speaker 4: distaste and or almost actually joy for what's occurring to
Speaker 4: the patriots.
Speaker 3: Weird because he wrote the Belichick letters, Yeah, what is
Speaker 3: that about.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's sit there for a second, because I
Speaker 2: noticed there was a real venom. And this is coming
Speaker 2: from a guy that adores this type of heat on
Speaker 2: the Patriots. But I sense you talking about the Pats
Speaker 2: and and Belichick in a way with a hissing sense.
Speaker 2: What where is that coming from? Why are you so
Speaker 2: mad about the Patriots? And again, I'm not complaining.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I love it. I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: I agree that it's curious to me too, because like overall,
Speaker 4: I have, like Bill Belichick's one of my like kind
Speaker 4: of overall favorite NFL figures of all time. But I
Speaker 4: kind of like they've also quietly been living in this
Speaker 4: like dream carpet ride for decades, and it's like you
Speaker 4: just it got normalized and it's different and it's new
Speaker 4: and it's interesting, and it's like if the if Belichi
Speaker 4: truly is the greatest coach and he has a chance
Speaker 4: to continue this job beyond this year, it's like I'm
Speaker 4: more interested to see how he gets out of this
Speaker 4: mess than the how often he.
Speaker 5: Won with I mean the carpet ride ended five years ago.
Speaker 5: Five years did pretty long time.
Speaker 4: I did, but like they but you'd argue that they
Speaker 4: they were a playoff two.
Speaker 3: I mean like that, like maybe mac Jones work. They were,
Speaker 3: they were hanging around nine wins.
Speaker 2: This is different the second As I said at the time,
Speaker 2: they weren't special anymore.
Speaker 3: Now they're bad. They're bad. How bad will they be?
Speaker 2: This seems like a chance for them to I don't
Speaker 2: mean they're back in July and in general in the past,
Speaker 2: even post Brady, when they're in their Bill they they
Speaker 2: they can be competitive. But this is the same team
Speaker 2: that got shut out by the Saints a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago.
Speaker 3: And they're giving up ninety raising the hand that doesn't
Speaker 3: I call him.
Speaker 5: Mark has not actually drafted the game yet or revealed
Speaker 5: what the game is, so I think that is a
Speaker 5: good point of it.
Speaker 4: It is Bills at Patriots and the Patriots at home
Speaker 4: are getting nine points. I don't know if that's ever
Speaker 4: happened to Build Belichick in New England. Maybe maybe be
Speaker 4: before Tom Brady. They were a bad team. Then they
Speaker 4: were a bad team. And this is like another little
Speaker 4: thing that stood out to me. Where is this little thing?
Speaker 3: Hold on?
Speaker 4: You have to go back to the nineteen ninety two
Speaker 4: Dick McPherson run New England Patriots. Greg you remember those years,
Speaker 4: just a disaster for an offense.
Speaker 5: This, the year where he won five or six games,
Speaker 5: was actually one of the best, like Patriots seasons.
Speaker 3: This was not that year. This was not that year.
Speaker 4: I remember that with some spicy comacks and he's crying
Speaker 4: on the sideline. You know, probably wish he still was
Speaker 4: at Syracuse, But I get that. I don't for me
Speaker 4: a little bit too. It's like the Bills escaped that
Speaker 4: Giants game. They escaped. I think if that call doesn't happen,
Speaker 4: if Darren Waller gets a call on the end like that,
Speaker 4: the Bills are asking a huge question about the Bills.
Speaker 4: It's like Josh Allen, he'd been dominant in stretches, he
Speaker 4: leads the league and completion percentage. He's also been I
Speaker 4: think in that Giant scheme, like he left some passes
Speaker 4: on the field and like seem to not read certain
Speaker 4: wide open guys. And it's like outside of Stepan Digs,
Speaker 4: it's like it's hard to really say he's connected with
Speaker 4: someone on a consistent basis. Miss James Cook on what
Speaker 4: could have been a big touchdown a week ago. So
Speaker 4: I think it's like, if you can't do it in
Speaker 4: this game, Buffalo, I mean, this is a place to
Speaker 4: go flex your muscles. And I think it's there's some
Speaker 4: added juice to it with being New England, get right, because.
Speaker 3: I I for a couple of weeks I.
Speaker 4: See the Bills as like a dominant operation and then
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't don't trust them.
Speaker 3: They're a weird too.
Speaker 2: They're like a team that you kind of know what's
Speaker 2: coming by the end of the first quarter, like they're
Speaker 2: even going to just put.
Speaker 3: It on a team or they're just a little bit
Speaker 3: out of sync.
Speaker 2: And they did to their credit, after what was a
Speaker 2: woeful first half against the Giants. They had a couple
Speaker 2: of long touchdown drives in the second half and the
Speaker 2: defense didn't exactly light the world on fire either, and
Speaker 2: they were able to hold off at the very end there.
Speaker 2: So they were very fortunate to get out of there
Speaker 2: with a win. And if nothing else, I guess it's
Speaker 2: a reminder to that team that you know, you can't
Speaker 2: just walk into any building and say where the Bills
Speaker 2: and just roll because look at it, it's almost beat you.
Speaker 2: In primetime that would have been a huge amos rs.
Speaker 2: They own this matchup.
Speaker 5: These are not the Giant I trust them to destroy
Speaker 5: the Patriots way more than I just, you know, against
Speaker 5: the Giants, who there was you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: coaching crossover there in terms of you know, knowledge and
Speaker 5: dable and it just is an unfamiliar matchup versus a
Speaker 5: team that you ended. Whatever was left that was special
Speaker 5: to me, truly ended at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Patriots playoff season.
Speaker 5: Actually like that, even though they made the playoffs that season,
Speaker 5: the fact that they lost forty seven to seventeen in
Speaker 5: the playoffs and didn't stop Josh Allen one single time
Speaker 5: in that game or the regular season game before late
Speaker 5: in the regular season. This defense this year, which I
Speaker 5: thought had a chance to be very good, is not
Speaker 5: gonna be good because of injuries partly and because it's
Speaker 5: just not happening for some of their young players up
Speaker 5: front really growing in a way that I expected. But
Speaker 5: injuries are a huge part of it. They have twenty
Speaker 5: players on their injury report this week.
Speaker 3: That is almost half the roster.
Speaker 5: That is outrageous, and like seven or eight of them
Speaker 5: are just out out there. They've got the thing where
Speaker 5: like they can't even field a normal in actives list
Speaker 5: because they've got more players that are out than they
Speaker 5: have in actives, and then they've got another fifteen guys
Speaker 5: on the injury report.
Speaker 4: So it's so good luck with that the real disadvantage
Speaker 4: for me this week.
Speaker 5: Let's see something out of von Miller though or no,
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's gonna happen this week, but
Speaker 5: like I think it's just something to watch throughout the
Speaker 5: course of the season that he hasn't not only been
Speaker 5: playing a full complement of snaps, but just doesn't even
Speaker 5: look remotely like von Miller, which is, you know, always
Speaker 5: a risk when you're a thirty four year old coming
Speaker 5: up off of it.
Speaker 3: It's fair to ask the question, greg E.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and when we come back,
Speaker 2: we'll get back to the draft. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: It comes back to me and I will grab a
Speaker 2: game that I feel like is gonna be interesting. The
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons are traveling to Tampa to face the Buccaneers,
Speaker 2: who are getting two and a half. Do we have
Speaker 2: the Baker sound, Yeah, let's listen to Baker, who you know.
Speaker 2: The Lions game last week was a tough one. I
Speaker 2: think they I think internally Tampa entering that game three
Speaker 2: and one, I believe saw it as a measuring stick
Speaker 2: game and they did not measure up.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of frustration. Let's listen to Baker.
Speaker 3: We sucked today. I sucked today. We sucked today. It
Speaker 3: was awful. If we play like that, we're gonna lose
Speaker 3: every time.
Speaker 6: So I mean, the defense and special teams did an
Speaker 6: amazing job yet again, and offense, we just need to
Speaker 6: pick her up.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like it. Yeah, same, I like it.
Speaker 2: They're owning up to it. And and they did leave
Speaker 2: plays on the field. Baker did not play very well,
Speaker 2: but they also you know, they just missed a couple ones,
Speaker 2: very frustrating performance. He missed the young kid Palmer a
Speaker 2: couple of times. The Evans hookup wasn't there. Godwin was
Speaker 2: the only player they really had any type of chemistry.
Speaker 2: And their screen game, which is an important part of
Speaker 2: their offense, they couldn't get that going. And a lot
Speaker 2: of credits got to go to Detroit and what they've
Speaker 2: been able to do all year, which has become a
Speaker 2: well balanced team, and they and they messed, They messed
Speaker 2: with Tampa now they get the Falcons, and the Falcons
Speaker 2: to me have been a disappointing team boys on really
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, and I just feel like.
Speaker 5: Too disagree with you there. But defense has been solid.
Speaker 4: But you're right on offense, yes, okay, I mean could
Speaker 4: put it what we were saying a month ago.
Speaker 3: What were we saying? What is their DVOA? Overall?
Speaker 5: It's buried twenty fifth? For sure, They're not They're not great.
Speaker 5: I just didn't expect much on defense.
Speaker 4: They've been on defense on third down like red zone.
Speaker 3: To pick their average, which for them is better.
Speaker 2: I believe Tampa at home is in a very good
Speaker 2: spot here against Atlanta, and I keep on thinking that
Speaker 2: we're gonna eventually get the bottoming out game at the
Speaker 2: quarterback position for Atlanta where Arthur Smith, instead of these
Speaker 2: constant cuts to the sideline and he's stroking his mustache
Speaker 2: and frustration, he actually does something about it. I think
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen after this game. I'm locking up the
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneer, which I didn't think I would ever
Speaker 2: do this season, lock up a Baker Mayfield team, but
Speaker 2: I like what I've seen from the Bucks overall, I
Speaker 2: like him at home and I like him.
Speaker 3: I liked hearing Baker and that he's pissed and they're
Speaker 3: looking to take it out on something. I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I almost locked this too, and I'd see this as
Speaker 4: a low scoring game that allows the Bucks to magnify
Speaker 4: their strengths. They are third against the run in terms
Speaker 4: of EPA six feuis yard rushing yards. Well, listen to
Speaker 4: some of these totals. This year, Vikings held to forty
Speaker 4: one yards of the ground. Bad rushing team Bears sixty seven,
Speaker 4: Saints seventy.
Speaker 3: The Lions forty.
Speaker 4: I know they were without some guys, but it's like,
Speaker 4: this is what they do. Vidavea, as much as Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: is kind of the guy in this game that I
Speaker 4: think can take Atlanta, who for all the whistling and
Speaker 4: I did a lot of it about what their identity
Speaker 4: would be this year, it's like the fourteenth best rushing team.
Speaker 4: They've not been that great at that and they put
Speaker 4: Desmond Ridder into a situation at times if you stop
Speaker 4: the run where this guy that you just want to
Speaker 4: not make mistakes has been making mistakes the last couple
Speaker 4: of games and starting to turn the ball over, and
Speaker 4: I don't love the situation for the Falcons, and I'm
Speaker 4: with you. I'm with you, Dan, I feel like this
Speaker 4: could be where the trigger because this is a good
Speaker 4: roster and the defense is solid and you've got parts,
Speaker 4: and it's like, why not try Taylor Heineke if you're
Speaker 4: going to get the same results with Ritter.
Speaker 3: I hear that one good game in a bunch of
Speaker 3: bad games.
Speaker 5: I hear all of that. I think you guys are right.
Speaker 5: I think last week kind of was a bottoming out.
Speaker 5: I think he's had a couple bottoming out, and you're right,
Speaker 5: it's just sort of on Smith to make the change
Speaker 5: at some point. But Arthur Smith bears as big a
Speaker 5: you know, blame of anyone, not that he picked Ridder
Speaker 5: and that he stuck with Ridder, but that everything else
Speaker 5: is such a mess.
Speaker 3: I mean, you get a delay game on the goal line.
Speaker 4: Essentially with the game on the leadle, and then you
Speaker 4: come back and you almost the that's not on the
Speaker 4: quarterback and what happens is an ensuing play.
Speaker 3: Greg they ri Or throws a terrible right. It was
Speaker 3: almost like you.
Speaker 2: Get you get to delay a game, Greg game, then
Speaker 2: you almost get cocked again and then you kind of
Speaker 2: panicky threw it up for grabs.
Speaker 5: Okay, so terrible, that's Arthur Smith. But more, you know,
Speaker 5: looking from above is this run game. And that's the
Speaker 5: thing that really gets me in this matchup a year ago,
Speaker 5: and I think this is a good litmus test, kind
Speaker 5: of like I talked about with Chiefs Chargers. In this
Speaker 5: matchup a year ago, teams are pretty similar for the
Speaker 5: most part. The Falcons ran for one fifty one and
Speaker 5: one seventy fourth. They split the two games, but the
Speaker 5: Falcons running game got it, got it going both times.
Speaker 5: You remember last year's Falcons running game, it was.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Yeah, Tyler Lgier. It did not have Bejon Robinson,
Speaker 4: who is awesome. And yet this year they're eighteenth in
Speaker 4: DVOA in terms of they're running attack and it's not
Speaker 4: about Bajon Robinson. Tayler Jeer is the perfect example of
Speaker 4: how much worse it is because he he's the same player.
Speaker 4: He averaged almost five yards per carry a year ago
Speaker 4: and he's averaging three point two.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: It's the blocking, it's the scheme. Everyone came prepared for it.
Speaker 5: There's different defenses which are maybe a little more ready
Speaker 5: for this zone blocking scheme, and even though they have
Speaker 5: the same offensive line in the same scheme, none of
Speaker 5: it's really working. And that's Arthur Smith. And you look
Speaker 5: at the Rams, for instance, in them and the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers, who their running game is very diverse. They
Speaker 5: mix a lot of power, they do a lot of
Speaker 5: different things. The Falcons are kind of they're do what
Speaker 5: they do the zone running game, and they came back
Speaker 5: with what they did a year ago and it is
Speaker 5: not working. And to me, that's that's messed up their
Speaker 5: entire team. And Ridder's that fault too, but it's messed
Speaker 5: up Ridder too. And I don't know, because it's a
Speaker 5: tough matchup against a pretty good Bucks running I guess
Speaker 5: like if.
Speaker 4: You like teams, teams you know new for months, this
Speaker 4: is what the Falcons want to be. And they're going
Speaker 4: to put out a quarterback with very little experience. And
Speaker 4: I think defenses this year versus even a year ago
Speaker 4: are like preparing and planning for the Falcons in a
Speaker 4: different way, selling out to stop the ground game, and
Speaker 4: it's putting in these games. These games were Riders throwing
Speaker 4: the ball thirty five to forty times like that was
Speaker 4: not the plan.
Speaker 5: I mean last week Ritter had ten there were ten
Speaker 5: passes defense for their opponent. He put it on the
Speaker 5: other team's hands ten games and.
Speaker 2: That was And he's thrown Yeah, he's thrown five interceptions
Speaker 2: in the last three weeks. And if you were actually
Speaker 2: watching the games like this was coming. He was throwing
Speaker 2: the ball right in the hands of the defenders every
Speaker 2: week in the first month, and he was just the
Speaker 2: beneficiary of a lot of good luck and a lot
Speaker 2: of drops. And now they're not dropping the ball. And
Speaker 2: I think, like what you're saying with the running scheme
Speaker 2: and what's not quite right there?
Speaker 4: I think everything year, but the quarterback play was so
Speaker 4: terrible last year.
Speaker 3: I know it was part of it. I know, so,
Speaker 3: but what is it then that like, what is it?
Speaker 5: I think, Well, sometimes there's things that are un explainable.
Speaker 5: But the team that they brought back and the scheme
Speaker 5: teams are more ready for it for whatever reason, and
Speaker 5: they're not playing it.
Speaker 2: They have I don't know, but they have a prodigy
Speaker 2: at running back and who has not been a problem.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not gonna say anything negative about him,
Speaker 2: but he's not winning games.
Speaker 3: By himself.
Speaker 2: He's he's usually has a beautiful highlight reel play every week?
Speaker 3: Is that? Does he need to get the ball more?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It does seem like it's time to do something, Arthur,
Speaker 2: to mix this thing up before you blow the season.
Speaker 3: And yet the winner fired.
Speaker 5: Is uh maybe my favorite because I don't trust the Saints.
Speaker 5: This could this could sound bad when you listen to
Speaker 5: it on Friday, but just like it's crazy how big
Speaker 5: interesting game is?
Speaker 3: Interesting game? All right? Uh, Greg, you're up?
Speaker 5: Okay, I am gonna take a late game. Steelers at Rams.
Speaker 5: Rams favored by three good value pick. At this point,
Speaker 5: I think, uh, this Rams seem very watchable. Steelers coming
Speaker 5: off of bye Are they gonna be different? One of
Speaker 5: the things that I look to with the Rams is
Speaker 5: if you can protect Stafford. He's one of the best
Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the league. I think he is playing as
Speaker 5: well in the regular season as just about any of
Speaker 5: his great regular seasons. As someone who wrote the QB
Speaker 5: Index for basically all of most of Stafford's career, I
Speaker 5: could tell you at the end of the year he
Speaker 5: would end up usually eleven to fifteen. He actually didn't
Speaker 5: have that many great regular seeds. He had a couple
Speaker 5: and this, to me is one of them. But their
Speaker 5: offensive line when they've gone up against great competition hasn't
Speaker 5: protected him as well. And this is great competition, so
Speaker 5: high Smith and what if you can get after Stafford,
Speaker 5: the Steelers can make this an uglier game.
Speaker 3: And I think I.
Speaker 5: Thought really hard about locking up the Rams here. I
Speaker 5: do like them to win this game. They are favored
Speaker 5: by three. I didn't pull the trigger in the end
Speaker 5: because what and high Smith just worry me and Tomlin coming.
Speaker 4: Off of by It's like the Steelers are a weird defense,
Speaker 4: and I really I think we've all kind of like
Speaker 4: yards per game or sort of they can they could
Speaker 4: be mystified and not really tell the story, but they
Speaker 4: give up the third most yards per game on defense.
Speaker 4: But their takeaways at the end of games and close games,
Speaker 4: especially like it's like TJ Watch Magic Power absolutely completely
Speaker 4: changed the script. And I think it's a huge thing
Speaker 4: about them, like we're in this, I see this being
Speaker 4: real tight. I like the fact for a really bad
Speaker 4: offense that probably at this point you just lean on
Speaker 4: Jaalen Warren and George Pickens, you know, Jayleen Warren feels
Speaker 4: like he could be a little he could be a
Speaker 4: little bit special for a really vanilla attack. But you
Speaker 4: are getting Pat Fryarmouth back at practice this week. Deontay
Speaker 4: Johnson's back at practice.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, that's huge, Absolutely, a wide receiver as
Speaker 5: good as Pickins is right, I mean, this is an
Speaker 5: offense that this is hard to do almost They have
Speaker 5: average twelve point six points per game.
Speaker 3: They're the worst red zone attack in the league.
Speaker 4: They've scored thirty point plus points one twice since twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, and they have a cross four hundred yards
Speaker 4: as an offense in fifty three games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're they're facing an offense that is going
Speaker 2: to score points. I think it's a tough matchup for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: You gotta travel across the gotta travel across the country.
Speaker 2: I know you're coming off your buye and I imagine
Speaker 2: Tomlin has been obsessing over this roster and how to
Speaker 2: fix things. So maybe you see a little bit different
Speaker 2: in terms of scheme and matt on the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the ball. But I think the Rams are gonna
Speaker 2: They're gonna continue to play well at home and score points.
Speaker 2: And I just don't see it. I don't see it
Speaker 2: coming with this offense, with this quarterback right now, the
Speaker 2: ability to score twenty two points or whatever it's gonna take.
Speaker 5: Okay, I agree for the most part. And I love
Speaker 5: the energy that Raheem Morris has. The Rams defense played with.
Speaker 5: They're not the most talented group, they play with a
Speaker 5: lot of energy, you can see it. But Deontay Johnson
Speaker 5: is a huge addition for a team we've recognized can't
Speaker 5: really win schematically, but he's just a player that wins
Speaker 5: on his own. He gets open about as regularly as
Speaker 5: any number two type of receiver in the league. Friarmouth
Speaker 5: is a big time player for them too, So that
Speaker 5: really changes their offense and makes it challenging for the
Speaker 5: Rams defense. And then you flip it and you lose
Speaker 5: Kyron Williams on the Rams side.
Speaker 3: We didn't hit that on Wednesday.
Speaker 5: He's going to be out, according to the reports, multiple weeks.
Speaker 5: His backup also was hurt Ronnie Rivers last week. He's
Speaker 5: out four to five weeks. He was put on injured reserve.
Speaker 5: And so they're doing this thing where they're like trying
Speaker 5: out a bunch of different players during practice. They Zach
Speaker 5: Evans is a guy they've liked who's a special it's
Speaker 5: been a special teamer. They actually re signed Darryl Henderson
Speaker 5: to their practice, but weird one. That's why old Royce
Speaker 5: Freeman who's bounced around, is there. So they're just they're
Speaker 5: trying things and they want to run the ball. But
Speaker 5: that's a pretty sick that kills him.
Speaker 4: Kiren Williams, like in that second half against the cardif
Speaker 4: time was I thought that was what they could be
Speaker 4: for weeks and weeks going forward.
Speaker 2: Uh, somebody feels very confident this week? Oh yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 6: Let's sad to the Cincinnati What have we got, Eric Robert, Yes, guys,
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati Zoo has weighed in. No video this week,
Speaker 6: no video, no message, but they're.
Speaker 3: Probably all in jail. The way they're fighting. It's it's
Speaker 3: amazing as fully the one member of the zoo is
Speaker 3: out and one of them is a child.
Speaker 6: So I assume I'm texting Nick, right, Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, typically so Nick Nick he calls himself the zoo
Speaker 2: keeper now I believe which is the brand.
Speaker 6: So no video message, but he didn't want to let
Speaker 6: you know. They picked the Rams over the Steelers and
Speaker 6: the only thing he wanted me to I guess that
Speaker 6: you guys know is that quotes Greg is a coward.
Speaker 3: That's all he wanted me to tell you guys. It
Speaker 3: doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 4: Keep that messaging clean and simple. I like it.
Speaker 3: Make sure you call Greg a coward on my behalf
Speaker 3: end quote.
Speaker 2: So he texted you and he here's my pick, and
Speaker 2: tell Greg he's.
Speaker 3: At the coward.
Speaker 6: He was busy, you know, So no video this week
Speaker 6: if you if I can't get to it, make sure
Speaker 6: you call Greg a coward on my behalf.
Speaker 3: All right, and now you have there, you go. Job done. Greg.
Speaker 2: Don't use your clout to bury Eric Roberts. He's just
Speaker 2: the messenger.
Speaker 3: Nick said too. And you're according to your standards and worlds.
Speaker 3: I mean clearly.
Speaker 5: Nick is a competitive guy who's never won a lock
Speaker 5: championship and never really been in contention in the final
Speaker 5: week or so.
Speaker 3: He wants what I have.
Speaker 2: Feels like a good time to check in. So going
Speaker 2: over all the locks are in. We all have different
Speaker 2: teams this week, Greg Eagles, Mark Brown's Dan Falcons, and
Speaker 2: here are the standings through week six. Greg five and one,
Speaker 2: Uzz are four and two West Brothers four and two
Speaker 2: and Mark at five hundred, you're one of the fifteen.
Speaker 2: You're now the sixteenth team at five hundred or around it. Mark,
Speaker 2: So you have some digging to do, but not you know,
Speaker 2: you're all right or climbing. I should say I'm not
Speaker 2: all right. I'm in last place.
Speaker 3: You need this one. I mean this is again.
Speaker 2: We got the Browns locked up by the Sizzler the
Speaker 2: quiet Storm, and I gotta have it lockstand.
Speaker 3: I might have to. I might have to. I am
Speaker 3: considering something. Oh between now and the end.
Speaker 5: Of the show, we'll see I do God, Okay, you
Speaker 5: gotta do it during the show.
Speaker 3: I know I am too. I'm like, I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: doing something. It's gonna be kind of fun. Put Greg
Speaker 3: and the crosshairs.
Speaker 5: Really, that would be another lock. There's too many this
Speaker 5: This week's stuff. This week is tough.
Speaker 3: All right, let's see Greg back to you.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna take the worst game on the board.
Speaker 5: I like to do that as my backup morning Mark.
Speaker 2: Likes to do that. High in the draft. Other people
Speaker 2: tend to lower with the pick.
Speaker 5: Okay, I can leave a different one for you, Dan.
Speaker 5: I'm going to take Raiders minus three. At the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 5: We've reached it, guys, We're at week seven. This is
Speaker 5: a terrible game, and we have in the National Football League,
Speaker 5: And I, for once I think that is necessary because
Speaker 5: I want to point out this is not one of
Speaker 5: those spring leagues. It's not the XFL, it's not the AFL.
Speaker 5: I think they combined the CFL. They are going to combine.
Speaker 5: But we got we got Aid and O'Connell potentially starting
Speaker 5: for the Raiders, but we don't know. And we've got
Speaker 5: Tyson Badgen expected to start for the Chicago Bears. I
Speaker 5: went and watched this Badgeant sixteen dropbacks because people were like, hey,
Speaker 5: Badgin actually was kind of fun. I was like, why, Ah,
Speaker 5: he was kind of a mild disaster and what am
Speaker 5: I missing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he dropped back to past sixteen times. He had
Speaker 4: two disastrous turnovers. He made one really nice seam throw
Speaker 4: I think was that to Mooney. I forget number two on.
Speaker 3: That must have really registered the yogals. And he had
Speaker 3: a couple he had a couple.
Speaker 5: He had a couple of throws that were that were fine.
Speaker 5: He got rid of the ball a little quicker than fields.
Speaker 5: But I saw nothing in that game that made me
Speaker 5: think they're upgrading that quarterback put it that way, so,
Speaker 5: I I guess I get why the Raiders are favored,
Speaker 5: but man, having Aiden O'Connell potentially favored by three points
Speaker 5: is also outrageous.
Speaker 2: Maybe is Max Max Crosby just has four sacks and
Speaker 2: ruins the game single handed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if they did throw in Brian Hoyer,
Speaker 4: this is like he's lost twelve straight starts.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I should, I should anymore provide context here
Speaker 5: that I'm just guessing O'Connell.
Speaker 3: But maybe it will be Hoyer.
Speaker 5: There was a report that they had decided who their
Speaker 5: starter will be, and the idea was maybe like Hoyer
Speaker 5: was coming in when it's like replacing during the game
Speaker 5: and Garoppo is not practicing, but he's also not ruled out.
Speaker 3: We don't know much more.
Speaker 4: It's uh, yeah, I mean this is these these are
Speaker 4: like the games like this just both teams just eminate depression.
Speaker 3: I just cannot. I'm glad you're watching the strike have
Speaker 3: a nice time.
Speaker 5: But here's what's a difference. One of them is favored
Speaker 5: to be four and three after that Sunday ends.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? Well, yeah, it's fraudulent. It's what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Jacobs is this is this is interesting.
Speaker 4: I have to wonder if this someone just cooked this
Speaker 4: into our research notebook as a complete fake. Josh Jacobs
Speaker 4: is on pace to join someone named Toffy LeMans the only.
Speaker 3: Player that's a mark man now.
Speaker 4: It's the only player to average under three yards per
Speaker 4: carry the season after leading the NFL and rushing Toughy
Speaker 4: Lemons who existed back in nineteen thirty seven. So well done,
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, and we've got this. DeVante Adams is now.
Speaker 4: But it's not Josh Jacobs. That's the thing. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like the Falcons.
Speaker 5: I'm more convinced than every yards per carry is like
Speaker 5: an offensive line. Well, if we know anyth about Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 5: there was some suspicion that what he was last year
Speaker 5: was just going to be for the next three or
Speaker 5: four years.
Speaker 4: He's always been hot and cold. The offense feels disorganized
Speaker 4: to me. DeVante Adams is upset. I think we've got
Speaker 4: some sound for him. We predicted this.
Speaker 3: Let's listen to me.
Speaker 7: It's not just about you know, I'm sure people thinking
Speaker 7: like you know what they won the game they won
Speaker 7: the Packers game. You know why is there an issue?
Speaker 7: I mean, you see why it is the issue. You know,
Speaker 7: y'all should know who I am, know what I'm about
Speaker 7: at this point. So it's not about you know when
Speaker 7: when you when you're a player like me mentally is
Speaker 7: my benchmark is not wins and losses, is greatness. So
Speaker 7: when I go out there, I expect to be able
Speaker 7: to have that ability to put that on tape and
Speaker 7: have an influence on the game. And that's like I
Speaker 7: say every week, that's my purpose for being here. I'm
Speaker 7: not here just to hang out.
Speaker 2: It's like the the Factory's blank number of days without
Speaker 2: an accident, and then he got to somebody falls off
Speaker 2: a ladder or into a vat of acid or something,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: You have to erase the chalkboard. It's a tragedy.
Speaker 2: One of those would be worse than the other one.
Speaker 2: And uh, and then you have to put the zero
Speaker 2: and it's a tough move. That's went back to zero
Speaker 2: days without a wide receiver chirping to the media about
Speaker 2: their role.
Speaker 3: Of course, not EVERYR wide receiver is the same.
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams he can chirp because he's Devanta Adams and
Speaker 2: that's hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, that's productive chirping it. And it was
Speaker 5: on a question of why he wants to be better.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm not I'm not taking anything. I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: going after ATMs. I'm more just saying this is part
Speaker 2: of what comes with having wide receivers and high profile
Speaker 2: ones and elite ones.
Speaker 3: You gotta get them the ball.
Speaker 2: If you don't get them the ball, you're gonna hear
Speaker 2: about it, either inside the building or outside or And
Speaker 2: that's what's happening here.
Speaker 3: And they do have to do it. They figure out away.
Speaker 3: He's been like, you know, more of a decoin spots.
Speaker 4: But I do think he was like sold a bill
Speaker 4: of goods on some level because it's like, come back
Speaker 4: and here's this story. I never thought it was gonna
Speaker 4: turn out great, but like come play with your best
Speaker 4: friend Derek Carr. Then you move on from Derek Carr
Speaker 4: in a way that Demania Adams never understood.
Speaker 2: At the same time, like that was a calculated risk
Speaker 2: from the very star. Sure, you went to a Raiders
Speaker 2: organization that has not done much of anything in years.
Speaker 2: You joined kind of a mid tier quarterback that is
Speaker 2: a buddy of yours, and you left Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 2: the Packers behind. It was always a bit of a gamble.
Speaker 2: The money was great and getting back to Vegas or
Speaker 2: whatever it is was great, I wonder, and we could
Speaker 2: save it for a conversation next week. If this is
Speaker 2: the first of maybe a very quick story.
Speaker 4: It feels flash pointy, but we have talked about this before.
Speaker 3: There was a move.
Speaker 5: He's also, by the way, on pace for thirteen hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty yards.
Speaker 2: He's not having like totally different though last year he
Speaker 2: was a monster. He was every bit as productive and
Speaker 2: good as he was with Aaron Rodgers playing with Derek Carr.
Speaker 2: But it just doesn't feel the same this year.
Speaker 4: And he's and you've got and if you've got you know,
Speaker 4: people like Brian Hoyer and Aidan O'Connell in there, it's
Speaker 4: not going to get any better. And like I was
Speaker 4: just saying to Greg, like, could you if they weren't
Speaker 4: in the same division and the Raiders wanted to get
Speaker 4: out of this, because it's just there's no just if
Speaker 4: he wound up on the Chiefs, all right, wow.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: I was trying not to throw anything out there because
Speaker 2: we save it for a conversation.
Speaker 3: That's a fantasy that's not about to happen.
Speaker 2: Never know, all right, I am up and this one
Speaker 2: actually works out nicely because I really do. I was
Speaker 2: thinking about it after the Wednesday show, like, ah, should
Speaker 2: I have been?
Speaker 3: And I wasn't the only one that said nay, I don't. Oh.
Speaker 3: I was actually with the Giant the Giants.
Speaker 2: I saved the Giants Washington the Giants so and then
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, if I was willing to
Speaker 2: save the Giants in the Fork Committee proceedings, do I
Speaker 2: owe it to the g men and to to the board,
Speaker 2: to the committee to lock the g Men this week
Speaker 2: against the Commanders. And ultimately I went against doing that
Speaker 2: because you just don't lock one in five football teams
Speaker 2: because they got that way for a reason.
Speaker 3: However, I do I like the Giants this week.
Speaker 2: I thought, even in a crushing loss to Buffalo, I
Speaker 2: like this idea that the worst is the worst has
Speaker 2: passed this team. I didn't think. I don't think that
Speaker 2: this coaching staff overnight became bad. I think there's a
Speaker 2: reason why they were an organization on the upswing going
Speaker 2: into this year. I think they're gonna steady the ship
Speaker 2: and and and that's why I didn't want to fork
Speaker 2: them because I think I think in about a month,
Speaker 2: in about a month to six weeks from now, we'll
Speaker 2: be talking about, oh, the Giants, Oh they have a
Speaker 2: sneaky three game winning streak all of a sudden. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like and maybe that only gets them back to
Speaker 2: four and six. And it's not like you're you're pounding
Speaker 2: the table that they're they're going to the super Bowl
Speaker 2: or anything. But I think there's gonna be some life.
Speaker 2: I think it starts here. I think the Giants at home,
Speaker 2: what is this situation? A quarterback, I would say that's important.
Speaker 2: But Tyrod Taylor, I think is a good enough backup
Speaker 2: where the offense will remain functional. And against Washington, which
Speaker 2: is kind of a hard team to figure out week
Speaker 2: to week, this feels like a g men victory week.
Speaker 3: I might be alan on this. This is a crazy matchup.
Speaker 4: They were heading into Week seven and these teams have
Speaker 4: combined to give up seventy seven sacks and it's pretty
Speaker 4: it's thirty four for Washington and thirty three for the Giants.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen it a lot in New York
Speaker 4: on prime time and with Sam Howell, who's been like
Speaker 4: a really interesting quarterback, I think, but it's not like
Speaker 4: how it's different than the New York's offensive line is
Speaker 4: one of these units you're talking about, like every time
Speaker 4: you turn around, they lose a starter, they lose backups,
Speaker 4: they lose third string guys, like it is a complete disaster.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of that is Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: getting crushed because of that injury situation. But Washington grades
Speaker 4: out by certain metrics. It's like around the eighth best
Speaker 4: blocking pass blocking unit. And Howell holds that ball thirty
Speaker 4: four of his sacks, thirteen of them are essentially charged
Speaker 4: on him according to PFF. So you know, I think
Speaker 4: if he could that goes back to his pre college
Speaker 4: tape two. You know, if you look at some of
Speaker 4: the scouting reports. So I mean, if he could change that,
Speaker 4: I think they've really got They've got like the chance
Speaker 4: to have a quarterback that is extremely productive. But this
Speaker 4: is maybe a chance for a pretty defunct Giants pass
Speaker 4: rush to caveon Thibodeau.
Speaker 3: Our friend like to him and the company do something there.
Speaker 2: I could count the number of sacks the gized I've
Speaker 2: had on all season on one.
Speaker 3: Hit, yeah, fie.
Speaker 5: And that's despite the most blitz heavy team in the league.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if they actually have passed if they're
Speaker 5: ahead of Minnesota at this point, but they've been one
Speaker 5: two all year, so they blitzed like crazy and they
Speaker 5: never get home. So that's kind of the question of
Speaker 5: every team that plays the Giants is like, how are
Speaker 5: you going to handle the blitz? And the answer for
Speaker 5: almost every team has been awesome. The Giants are terrible.
Speaker 5: I don't see it. I know they had like a
Speaker 5: good sixty minutes in Buffalo in a matchup we talked
Speaker 5: about already, But for the most part, I think that
Speaker 5: they are the worst team in the NFL, along with
Speaker 5: the Panthers and now you can throw the Patriots in there.
Speaker 5: But in terms of like the total resume, I think
Speaker 5: they're it. And they're so injured on the offensive line.
Speaker 5: They're losing new guys in practice. Shane Lemieux tore his
Speaker 5: biceps on Wednesday. He was another I think he was
Speaker 5: actually a replacement. I'm losing check of who's the replacement,
Speaker 5: who wasn't he was he was, but he had been
Speaker 5: there previously and been a starter previously.
Speaker 3: Evan Neil was a top ten pick a year ago.
Speaker 5: It's funny how like Cavon sometimes gets attentions like Cavin's
Speaker 5: been fine.
Speaker 4: He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been bad.
Speaker 5: Evan Neil was a top ten pick and I think
Speaker 5: according to PFF, was ranked second to last among all
Speaker 5: qualifiers at tackle.
Speaker 3: It's time to get him off tack.
Speaker 4: He's injured. Andrew Thomas is injured. Still he's not coming back,
Speaker 4: like their center is still injured. So I'd just think
Speaker 4: Washington's gonna eat. And I like the I like the Commanders.
Speaker 4: I like them getting two and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, I think what you're saying. We're talking
Speaker 2: about the struggles and the injury issues of that line.
Speaker 2: The Giants have allowed close to one hundred pressures, the
Speaker 2: Commanders of ninety one pressures, and that's ninth most in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I will you can call me in front of the committee,
Speaker 2: which will be a little weird because who's also the
Speaker 2: chairperson on Wednesday?
Speaker 3: Yeah, feels that fell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could call me in front of the committee
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. If the Giants don't find a way
Speaker 2: in this game, I will not only apologize for delaying
Speaker 2: work on the Giants, I will fork them myself, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, difficult to do. I have many friends that
Speaker 2: are supporters of boudreamn But it will be overdue. We
Speaker 2: shall see what happened.
Speaker 5: What if I, at that point, just to be annoying,
Speaker 5: was like, no, actually, now I'm going to stop.
Speaker 3: Stop the fork. I did want to say to you,
Speaker 3: Greg and not the Giants. You would never stopped. Oh
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones did practice Wednesday and Thursday, but has not
Speaker 5: been cleared for contact, so that leads his availability in
Speaker 5: question because there is, as far as I'm concerned, a
Speaker 5: lot of contact in an NFL game and.
Speaker 3: Let's let's move.
Speaker 2: But we didn't get a chance to talk about this
Speaker 2: as a group this Sunday night game against Buffalo Man
Speaker 2: when when Sakon was heating up and he's running the football,
Speaker 2: you look good, you gotta kee keep feeding into him
Speaker 2: that Too many times they went away from that, including
Speaker 2: on their their penultimate scoring drive when you should have
Speaker 2: just seen they were wearing down the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: Can they do that against Washington? Uh? We shall see.
Speaker 2: Mark we're going to close out the draft with a
Speaker 2: double header from the Cesstag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm somehow now getting two late games. That should
Speaker 4: make for an interesting second part of the day.
Speaker 2: Old sly Cestog did you have any type of game plan,
Speaker 2: Kaiser associated, Well, well, yeah, one of.
Speaker 4: Them is going to be given a nick shut. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say we we will handle this. We'll figure
Speaker 4: it out, figure out behind the scenes. The listener does
Speaker 4: not care at all. Uh, all right, Cardinals at Seahawks.
Speaker 4: I have to admit my my uh temporary luster for
Speaker 4: the Cardinals operation took a big hit in the second
Speaker 4: half of that Rams game. A number of serious, uh
Speaker 4: deficiencies were revealed. One that I think will really hurt
Speaker 4: them in this game. They they're like the second one
Speaker 4: of the like they're a bottom five run defense, and
Speaker 4: it shows.
Speaker 3: About them has been offense related.
Speaker 4: It has been, and it's been you know all even
Speaker 4: that has been happening for about thirty minutes out of
Speaker 4: sixty in games, only five teams are giving up more points.
Speaker 4: I think this is a kind of game where if
Speaker 4: you're Seattle, it's in Seattle, they're you know, they're giving
Speaker 4: up seven and a half I could see them covering
Speaker 4: without too much of a headache there.
Speaker 3: The Dobbs train has fallen off a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think this is a great spot for Kenneth Walker,
Speaker 4: just to run them wild.
Speaker 3: And I the one thing I noticed about.
Speaker 4: Seattle's injury report that there were Tyler Lockett a little
Speaker 4: banged up, DK Metcalf a little banged up, Zach Sharbonne
Speaker 4: a little banged up.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think in a way that may not
Speaker 4: matter too much. If these guys can get out get
Speaker 4: on the field to some degree. I would like to
Speaker 4: see one last little note on their offense. Jackson Smith
Speaker 4: and Jigba yardish totals in five games.
Speaker 3: I was wrong about this.
Speaker 4: I thought he would be coming in as like an
Speaker 4: offensive rookie the year type candidate thirteen yards, thirty four, ten, five,
Speaker 4: forty eight. I don't know, thought they were like I
Speaker 4: thought he'd like. You seem to me like the guy
Speaker 4: that come in and translate pretty quickly.
Speaker 5: Now they're Passingham has been quite uneven. I think last
Speaker 5: week against Cincinnati was a great example. Like Gino threw
Speaker 5: five or six passes as pretty as anyone in the
Speaker 5: league and had a ton of great completions, but when
Speaker 5: they needed to, they couldn't get it done. They've been
Speaker 5: very bad in situational football, red zone and third downs.
Speaker 3: It's very important. They haven't been able to spread around.
Speaker 5: Now they are like the Giants, a team that's lost
Speaker 5: three or four starting offensive lineman and they haven't looked
Speaker 5: so bad that like they're getting all the blame because
Speaker 5: of that. But maybe that's showing up. I think think
Speaker 5: they're going to get one of their tackles back this week.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 5: I think is it Cross that's returning, not Lucas, so
Speaker 5: that that's something.
Speaker 3: But I see you twelves.
Speaker 5: By the way, I happen to follow a lot of
Speaker 5: Seahawks fans on Twitter, Theawks media and Chris and I
Speaker 5: saw some Drew Lock chatter popping up this week, and
Speaker 5: I just want to say, how dare you Seahawks Twitter?
Speaker 3: How dare you?
Speaker 4: He's played well this year, He's been an above average
Speaker 4: starting quarterback. He played well in that game for the
Speaker 4: most part. That pressure was on on Quick. It wasn't
Speaker 4: a great game. I I I got on him for
Speaker 4: holding the ball too long last week, but like their
Speaker 4: offensive line was a disaster.
Speaker 3: In that game, and he's been very good. If you
Speaker 3: want Drew Locke, you can have him. You don't deserve it.
Speaker 3: And you look at what was the face Greg that
Speaker 3: just made on our usage. We could pull that up
Speaker 3: on a replay.
Speaker 4: I never want to to be around it.
Speaker 3: Listen, this is a bit of a straw straw man.
Speaker 3: Now this is your way to They'll they'll let you know.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of Drew don't start, Greg.
Speaker 4: There are massive things that happened from fan bases that
Speaker 4: you would say have no credence and you totally ignore this.
Speaker 4: One's stick sticking with you. Yeah, I have a higher bar?
Speaker 3: Are they in your head? Greg?
Speaker 2: Think about this, Greg, this is kind of smart, very
Speaker 2: smart of you by saying, oh, people are talking about
Speaker 2: Drew lock should be the starter, and then you could
Speaker 2: poopoo that and bury it because obviously that's ridiculous, But
Speaker 2: then it allows you to get away from the more
Speaker 2: nuanced conversation, which is statistically, Gino has not been as
Speaker 2: good this year as he was last year, and in
Speaker 2: a big spot last week, Gino was unable to get
Speaker 2: the job done. And I'm not saying I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that Gino is now not the answer for them. He
Speaker 2: is over drew locks, certainly, But I believe there's certainly
Speaker 2: is something in play here, GREGI that we could be
Speaker 2: back on the Geno coaster a little bit. Now, that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's like the Geno coaster of the old
Speaker 2: Jet Stays. He's a better player, but maybe he's just
Speaker 2: a little more up and down this year than last year,
Speaker 2: which was shockingly steady for most of them.
Speaker 3: I think you can remove.
Speaker 5: I think if you're including the what's going on around him,
Speaker 5: he's basically the same guy. And then I look at
Speaker 5: the stats like completing completion percentage over expected, uh, basically
Speaker 5: the same. He's twelfth in that EPA plus C POE composite,
Speaker 5: like he's tenth in PFF.
Speaker 3: He was eleventh last year. Like that's exactly to me.
Speaker 5: Who he looks like is a guy who's not quite
Speaker 5: a top ten quarterback, a little outside that, but he's
Speaker 5: playing well.
Speaker 4: I just want to see how get to watch the games,
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: You just see it how the season unfolds for Seattle. Well,
Speaker 2: I'll make my next pick.
Speaker 3: If you like, Oh I thought you had something to say,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 5: They can't go to in the division, a sneaky big game.
Speaker 5: They can't well they couldn't see how.
Speaker 4: I don't think the Cardinals can do that. All right,
Speaker 4: last game seven and a half there, this is a stinker.
Speaker 4: Green Bay at Denver, Broncos getting a point in that one,
Speaker 4: yelling sorry it doesn't attract me.
Speaker 3: Have you lost?
Speaker 2: Because A Sessler's state your football fandom and as an analyst,
Speaker 2: you don't like long standing setups for teams like Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers and the Packers drove you crazy for years, and
Speaker 2: you did have a fascination with this new Packers earlier
Speaker 2: in the year.
Speaker 3: Is that is that by the wayside?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: I think, like I just I don't really trust like
Speaker 4: the Jordan Love offense to do a lot down the
Speaker 4: stretch where they're going to be. They feel like they're
Speaker 4: merging into sort of a non story to me, that said,
Speaker 4: this is a great place to get right. The Broncos
Speaker 4: defense is an absolute car crash on ice. I think
Speaker 4: if you get Aaron Jones is back at practice, that
Speaker 4: to me is a huge factor for green Bay. They
Speaker 4: have not been able to run the ball. Well, they've
Speaker 4: really missed David Bacterry. But if you get Aaron Jones back,
Speaker 4: and he's special. Even in his lone appearance, he had
Speaker 4: a few big plays. It kind of gives Jordan Love
Speaker 4: and everyone else a chance to do something. So I
Speaker 4: want to see what happens there against a terrible defense.
Speaker 4: To that point, Green Bay would be back on track.
Speaker 4: Their last two games Jordan Love one touch down, five picks,
Speaker 4: fifty one point eight rating, sixteen point five points per game.
Speaker 4: As an offense, they've been They've taken seven sacks. I
Speaker 4: think back Toori has a lot to do with that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you can't beat the Broncos, you
Speaker 4: got big problems.
Speaker 3: Because I agree, we all it's like couldn't beat the Raiders.
Speaker 3: That to me is the same.
Speaker 4: Well that's why I think they're not They're they're far
Speaker 4: away from being special. But and I know you can't,
Speaker 4: like you can't critique Russell Wilson. It's like he has
Speaker 4: been better, et cetera. But last two games that's a
Speaker 4: man no no, because I think it's like if I
Speaker 4: think it's it's like, if you're gonna go out and
Speaker 4: just kill Russell Wilson, then you haven't watched him play
Speaker 4: like he had.
Speaker 3: We did, though, we did after last week game. He
Speaker 3: was terrible.
Speaker 4: The last two games, he's been terrible like the rest
Speaker 4: big season. Fine, I'm just saying in general, you can't
Speaker 4: just say.
Speaker 2: And you had bone heads on and Bruscyl saying, oh,
Speaker 2: he's been a problem. He was the problem in the
Speaker 2: second half against the Jets. He was the problem big
Speaker 2: time last week. So if he's trending downward, this actually
Speaker 2: could get worse for Denver, if that's possible.
Speaker 4: But if he's the only thing I wonder a little
Speaker 4: bit is like do you keep them like in if
Speaker 4: he gets worse because you are trying to get like
Speaker 4: one of the two or three college quarterbacks. I don't know, No,
Speaker 4: I don't think that's well.
Speaker 5: First of all, you start saying that they would tank
Speaker 5: by not playing Jared's Didham.
Speaker 3: I mean that feels well, stretch. I'm not seeing Larretts Didam.
Speaker 4: You're not sitting on uh, you're not sitting on Kurt
Speaker 4: Warner back there.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 4: But like Russell Wilson the experiment, there's no way he's
Speaker 4: their starter next year on any levels. So it's like,
Speaker 4: what are you doing with him?
Speaker 3: Now? Did you guys hear that? What you can do.
Speaker 2: Did you guys hear that Jerry Judy and Courtland Sutton
Speaker 2: are on the trade block?
Speaker 3: You cannot wait until and they have been since like
Speaker 3: Y two, K, Well.
Speaker 5: They try they Here's the thing, Denver tried to trade
Speaker 5: them this offseason and when no one really wanted him
Speaker 5: at any reasonable price, then they had to pretend like
Speaker 5: they didn't try to trade him. And this is like
Speaker 5: from the Sean Payton media playbook, where look, he's got
Speaker 5: more national media in his pocket than any coach since
Speaker 5: I haven't done this job. He he owns the media
Speaker 5: and controls the narrative around him better I would say
Speaker 5: than any coach since his former boss Bill Parcells and
Speaker 5: him presiding over one of the most disappointing, poorly run
Speaker 5: teams in the NFL is a real test for that
Speaker 5: theory and the professionalism of everyone. Ever it's correct, Like
Speaker 5: I know it's getting on Sean Pitton for what about
Speaker 5: He's like, I'm with.
Speaker 3: You, like, up until the season, he's getting killed by
Speaker 3: people right now, was getting killed in the place.
Speaker 2: You know what, He's a laughing bock right now. But
Speaker 2: it's football fans and social media. I'm sure it's also
Speaker 2: been a good coach. It's not like we're like it's king.
Speaker 3: He's getting destroyed this year.
Speaker 2: But I guess to the point, and I don't follow
Speaker 2: it in the way that you do, Greg, So I
Speaker 2: can't tell you.
Speaker 3: I'm curious what the names are if you want to share.
Speaker 4: Them, every single one. But who's parenting for him right now?
Speaker 4: Like who's saying, actually, you guys are wrong Sean Payne.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not really the opinion.
Speaker 5: It's more like how the news is presented, like even
Speaker 5: the Judy Sutton stuff, Like there are ways that you
Speaker 5: report on what's going on inside of the building. I
Speaker 5: think that doesn't happen with Denver because look, I think
Speaker 5: he's got everyone like I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I don't even need to single out a name.
Speaker 5: If there's someone powerful in the media, Sean Payton has
Speaker 5: a favorable relationship that I think gets him better.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, all right, we'll see what happens. I mean,
Speaker 2: here's the other thing. It ain't twenty ten anymore, right,
Speaker 2: And he might have these great relationships, but if the
Speaker 2: team is terrible, and the and the roster is not
Speaker 2: getting better, and they the whole thing's gonna crumble. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you're in bed with in the or
Speaker 2: in cohoots with in the media.
Speaker 3: Uh tughsich for Broncos.
Speaker 5: It's a big test for Lafleur too, who's I think
Speaker 5: at as discouraging a couple games as he's had since
Speaker 5: his first year as coach in in Green Bay because
Speaker 5: they started off okay and they've looked like, you know,
Speaker 5: one of the worst offenses in the league the last
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. And so here here's a matchup where
Speaker 5: you should take advantage of we are getting healthier, where
Speaker 5: we are coming off of by I'm not giving up
Speaker 5: on this Packers team totally. I wasn't that high on
Speaker 5: him to begin with, But I just think they at
Speaker 5: least have a chance to develop during the season into
Speaker 5: an interesting watch with an interesting team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean. And it's the real test.
Speaker 3: And if Aaron Jones is playing, uh, run the rock.
Speaker 2: If aj Dillon is gonna be in tandem or leading,
Speaker 2: run the Rock, because you could just wear that team
Speaker 2: down in the second half.
Speaker 3: You see it every week, all right? That is the draft.
Speaker 3: Anything else to hit before we say goodbye?
Speaker 4: Well, we were waiting to see if Mark was gonna
Speaker 4: flip off his lock, but did.
Speaker 3: You have something he didn't do it? Well, this is
Speaker 3: the moment. This is the moment.
Speaker 4: Mark, all right, I'm gonna do it, get the locks.
Speaker 4: If I hadn't brought it to this now you know,
Speaker 4: I've been mulling this for a while. Yeah, defensive, Look,
Speaker 4: I do think one thing with the locks. I just
Speaker 4: definitely like I tried to not overthink it, but of
Speaker 4: course I one warning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all been there, right, you jump out of
Speaker 2: a lock, You're almost going through double the pain because
Speaker 2: you're tracking that first game. Should I have locked it?
Speaker 2: What if that team wins then the new team loses?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean you are just living through it.
Speaker 2: You're going through war in your mind. And now we
Speaker 2: throw it to Mark.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, decision twenty twenty us about that situation, which
Speaker 4: you know we've been through. It's more about the show
Speaker 4: and what I think creates an element of spice. And
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, Greg wouldn't go take on the
Speaker 4: West Brothers a week ago, which was a little suspect
Speaker 4: you know what I was that that wasn't that wasn't
Speaker 4: thinking about the show.
Speaker 5: Why would I be taking a team that I didn't
Speaker 5: feel that strong was gonna win, and I'm glad I
Speaker 5: didn't because by the way they lost, although they.
Speaker 2: Didn't all your media people that are all friends and
Speaker 2: love Geno Smith, that felt like a time to get
Speaker 2: behind the Great Seattle Empire.
Speaker 3: Are you arguing that I should have taken a loss.
Speaker 2: Well, it clearly was hindsight, it was the right move.
Speaker 2: But but point being as a showman. As a showman, I.
Speaker 4: I think you know, we we we've enjoyed covering these
Speaker 4: Monday night games night after night, yes, or week after week,
Speaker 4: and uh, of course I'm gonna take Greg in a
Speaker 4: little lock up.
Speaker 3: This is Sunday night. Then oh we'll we cover Sunday.
Speaker 4: Night too, but it's week we come back into the
Speaker 4: studio to cover Sunday night after we do the whole show,
Speaker 4: and like, uh, I'm gonna take the Dolphins. I I
Speaker 4: think it's you know, a little suspect, but I like it.
Speaker 2: And in fact, uh kind of tying it all together
Speaker 2: when my nine year old son Jack and we were
Speaker 2: going through the schedule and I was like, who should
Speaker 2: I lock this week? And you know, oh, I was
Speaker 2: talking about rightly, but I was trying to explain it
Speaker 2: to him. He kept on pointing at the Dolphins. Well,
Speaker 2: I got to pick the Dolphins, and again I had
Speaker 2: too much respect, uh for Philly's operation and being pissed
Speaker 2: quite frankly after what happened in week six to do that.
Speaker 3: But I think they will.
Speaker 4: There's another thing, like, there's another scene I can imagine
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean this will happen where it's like, uh oh,
Speaker 4: Eagles back against the backs, up against the wall big time.
Speaker 4: Now two straight losses.
Speaker 3: You know what this is? Everyone acts like the Dolphins
Speaker 3: can't go on the road and handle the business.
Speaker 2: Miamis if you win a lock off with Rosenthal, I
Speaker 2: mean right takes you out here.
Speaker 3: He's up three, and that's a tough spot. Right you
Speaker 3: take him.
Speaker 2: This is a major momentum swing. And I would not
Speaker 2: bet against you to win the whole thing if the
Speaker 2: take care of business on.
Speaker 5: Sunday, although I would also not, you know, bet against
Speaker 5: an extremely dark Sessler not even enjoying the Brown's win
Speaker 5: if the Browns happened to win early and then.
Speaker 3: This falls apart. The news for us though, is that sports.
Speaker 2: Die.
Speaker 4: By the way, that was not from today's show. I
Speaker 4: don't wish death upon it. That was when I was
Speaker 4: disrespected before the you know, I'd come. I drove across
Speaker 4: town to get to that committee meeting, and you're not
Speaker 4: even suggesting my totally believe you.
Speaker 2: The mask slipped a little bit, and that was an
Speaker 2: unfortunate oversight by the committee.
Speaker 4: And again the committee, No, it was exactly, it was
Speaker 4: completely organic.
Speaker 2: I'll be tired and feathered in front of the community
Speaker 2: on Sunday night if the Giants make me look bad,
Speaker 2: so I have a little skin in the game, a
Speaker 2: little more.
Speaker 3: Than I thought actually ahead of Sunday.
Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody for watching again Thursday Night Football
Speaker 2: with Gregie Rosenthal coming up later on Thursday and then
Speaker 2: Sunday the Flagship Program.
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