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Speaker 2: This he's Talking Cowboys training live.

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Speaker 3: From Dallas Cowboys training camp in Oxnard.

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Speaker 4: Callus six past second Pascott Tisisi, Texdowns and now your hosts,

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the latest edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by

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Speaker 5: a Black Raffle Coffee Company, the official coffee of the

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Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys. We are live from training camp in Oxtar, California.

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Speaker 5: I am Josh Rodriguez, filling in for one Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 5: who will be here next week into with Isaiah Standback.

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Speaker 5: I'm here with Patrick No, C Walker, Thomas Yarsh and

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Speaker 5: we've got Christopher Biemer in the front. He's up there,

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Speaker 5: he's right in front of it.

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Speaker 6: In the back anymore, he's not in the back.

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Speaker 5: He's up in the front.

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Speaker 1: Beam in the front.

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Speaker 5: All right, boys, It's lovely to be back in Oxnard,

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Speaker 5: California with some perfect weather. It's nice and cloudy, it's

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Speaker 5: nice and cool. Yes, it's primo hoodie and short season.

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Speaker 5: The big boys know what I'm talking about. That's the

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Speaker 5: perfect time for us. We're live boys, well, happy to

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Speaker 5: be here. Welcome. How are we feeling? How are you guys?

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Speaker 5: Acclimating to Oxnard, California?

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Speaker 4: As always, it's like you said, it's wonderful to be

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Speaker 4: out here, not simply because we get to escape the

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Speaker 4: heat from back home. So love you all. We'll be

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Speaker 4: back home soon, but for now, we're chilling. It's cloudy,

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Speaker 4: it's about sixty five degrees. Not to rupe that in,

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Speaker 4: but I tell you what, it's not chill. Which is

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Speaker 4: the and we'll get into it. George Pickens connection with

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Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, chemistry with CD Lamb first practice which was

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Speaker 4: a walk through. Look great, so right now, early in camp.

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Speaker 4: But I'm loving the vibes. The vibes at the moment

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Speaker 4: are immculate.

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Speaker 6: Tommy at the moment, well, I'm not afraid to rub

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Speaker 6: it in. This weather is incredible. I love this weather.

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Speaker 6: This is unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: I can't believe that I can wear, you know, a

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Speaker 7: polo and shorts, but also sweatpants and a hoodie and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, this is this is great. I'm having a

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Speaker 6: blast with you guys.

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Speaker 7: Excited to be here and filling in as the kind

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Speaker 7: of I'm like the JV guy that got moved up

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Speaker 7: to varsity because some guys got injured. So until hey,

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Speaker 7: next man up, I'll get here. I missed my guys, but.

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Speaker 6: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: Next man up. Mentality boys, and we got headlines. We

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Speaker 5: got things that we got to talk about immediately. The

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Speaker 5: fans have already been watching the show as they saw

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Speaker 5: you guys on camping out earlier this week. Now we

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Speaker 5: have to get to the biggest news that came out

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Speaker 5: of yesterday's first training camp practice. Michael Parsons, a training

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Speaker 5: ball NIGGAS, hosted an impromptu media scrum after practice. Lots

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of there's a lot of conversation coming out.

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Speaker 5: The barbs are being thrown. I want to know what

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Speaker 5: is your perspective on the matter and what might fans

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Speaker 1: Tell me take the lead on this one.

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Speaker 7: Well, we'll start with Michael Parsons. I think you know

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be the talk of training camp. It's gonna

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Speaker 7: to this point. Is MIKEAH Parsons's contract extension, right? I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, the counterpoint to a lot of what Michael

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Speaker 6: That's what Jerry Jones has.

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Speaker 7: Said, and he's reiterated several times he's under contract.

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Speaker 6: And my counter that would be okay.

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Speaker 7: But you think about what Michael Parsons said yesterday where

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Speaker 5: Well, he says it must be nice in referring to

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Speaker 7: Right, and he just wants to be taken care of.

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Speaker 7: And you know, all this time Michael Parsons has spoken Yeah,

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Speaker 7: all this time, MICHAEH. Parsons has spoken very highly about

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Speaker 6: I think the respect is there.

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Speaker 7: I think that you know, from Michael Parsons' perspective, there

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Speaker 6: Player in the league.

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Speaker 7: But when you look back, and Michael Parsons talked about

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Speaker 7: this yesterday too, at how the Cowboys have done some

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Speaker 7: some time. It takes some time, and it takes some time,

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Speaker 7: and the number goes up. And I don't think Jerry

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Speaker 7: because he's worth every penny.

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Speaker 6: And he showed that he's worth every penny.

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Speaker 7: But it's going to take some time, and that part,

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Speaker 7: I can understand, can be a little bit disgruntling, and

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to remember the word that he was discouraging

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Speaker 7: think ultimately, at some point a deal gets done between

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Speaker 5: One of the most telling lines and like this is

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Speaker 5: Micah Parsons towards the end of that interview that he

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Speaker 5: did saying if this is the end, this is the end.

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Speaker 5: I've got to say this, and honestly, based on a

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Speaker 5: lot of what Jerry said in the press conference, the

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Speaker 5: We've seen this situation in my first three years here

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Speaker 5: now we have Michah Parsons. It is a contract situation

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Speaker 5: trying to get ahead of these things as fans. Let's

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Speaker 5: get ahead, let's pay him early. The Cowboys just tend

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Speaker 4: So Michael Parsons welcome to contract negotiations. With the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: That's basically what it boils down to. I'm not taking

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Speaker 4: many of these major contract negotiation with the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 4: even recently you talk about Dak Prescott multiple franchise tags

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Speaker 4: he ultimately had to weaponize his shoulder surgery in order

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Speaker 4: get his deal done, Zach Martin holds out to get

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Speaker 1: Or near it, very near it, I should say the

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Speaker 4: Didn't become the highest paid cornerback at the time was

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Speaker 1: That is within Trayvon Diggs's right, in his agent's right

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Speaker 4: But with Mulla Ghetto and Michael Parsons, if they're not

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Speaker 4: they are also well within their right to do so. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: it is, in fact a two way street. Things can

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Speaker 4: get a little bit contentious when you're talking about a

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Speaker 4: So for me, this is quite literally par for the

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Speaker 4: course I expect. I hoped that the deal would land

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Speaker 1: Would get a little bit tweaky. Right now, of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: And ultimately he's still under contract, correct, he's still under contract.

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Speaker 1: Fully guaranteed twenty four million, And he's here.

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Speaker 5: Correct, it's not and not even holding in He's still

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Speaker 4: He's here, and that leads to a great point that

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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons said yesterday. He was asked straightforward if he's

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Speaker 1: You haven't been around me personally.

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Speaker 4: When he was asked if he's actually holding in, he

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some air quotes.

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Speaker 4: Around that, because yeah, maybe, maybe so, But he did

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Speaker 4: He did some work yesterday with individuals and so forth

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Speaker 4: a ramp up period. But ultimately, fans should not put

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Speaker 4: much of any emotional stock into what you're seeing, especially

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Speaker 1: I am standing.

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Speaker 4: Here, sitting there, and I am still one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: Is it imminent. No, it is not imminent.

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Speaker 4: But Michael Parsons and my firm belief will remain with

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys for the next several years, and once it's done,

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Speaker 4: it'll be much like it was when it got done

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Speaker 4: with CD and or De Marcus Lawrence, which was a

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Speaker 4: very contentious contract negotiation tanks was, but once it got done, it.

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Speaker 1: Was cool by y'all.

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Speaker 4: Okay, the cooling by y'all is coming. Just just let

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Speaker 4: it play it so far.

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Speaker 5: And it's not happening on our timeline. We wanted this done,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the off season. Obviously that's not happening now.

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Speaker 5: But they are not on our time. They're working it out.

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Speaker 5: How they work it out. This is how the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: It's it's owning headlines around the world, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of what they do, all right, kind of

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Speaker 5: what they do. Mission accomplished, Tommy, why don't you get

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Speaker 1: My feelings were this.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who has followed me for years and I this

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Speaker 1: Up for two days, should you get your full salary

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Speaker 4: For me, it's simply holding the player accountable. And when

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Speaker 1: We expected you to adhere to the closet in your contract.

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Speaker 7: And you know, Michael Parsons backed his his teammate up

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Speaker 7: And that's not to say that Trayvon Diggs can't go

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Speaker 7: I can understand that perspective. I know that usually in

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Speaker 7: If you're going to instill a great culture, you have

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Speaker 6: You can't get away. This is what you're gonna do,

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Speaker 5: Now. I want to give a quick shout out to

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Speaker 6: Have training camp live where you can watch some practice exactly.

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Speaker 6: We will its Patrick and I to day.

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Speaker 5: we had our first first official practice of training camp yesterday, Yes,

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Speaker 5: Brian Schottenhammer's very first practice as head coach of the

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Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I can tell that Shottenheimer is while

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Speaker 1: You can tell that his energy's there.

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Speaker 4: And you're seeing that as early as the first practice,

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Speaker 7: But no, yeah, look, these guys have they just they

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Speaker 7: worked with in the past, like Pete Carroll, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 7: Dick Vernelly, Steve Spurrier deep for meal, excuse me, Steve Spurrier.

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Speaker 7: And you know what if you you kind of picked

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Speaker 7: apart from them when it comes to training camp, and

440
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Speaker 7: what do you like to make it, to mend it

441
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Speaker 7: all together and make it Brian Schottenheimer's training camp, and

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Speaker 7: he was talking about the fifteen to twenty years of

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Speaker 7: notes that he's taken from all those guys, and he's

444
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Speaker 7: got a collection of him he's gonna give him his

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Speaker 7: kids and grandkids one day. And you know, this guy

446
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Speaker 7: has gotten such a good football education from everybody that

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Speaker 7: he's worked with.

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Speaker 6: You know, mentioned those guys.

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Speaker 7: He worked with Urban Meyer for a year or two,

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Speaker 7: so you get some of the college aspects.

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Speaker 6: Of it too.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how much of the NFL aspect he

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Speaker 7: wants to take from Urban, but nonetheless, you just learned

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Speaker 7: from a lot of guys like that.

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Speaker 6: That have been around the block, that have done this

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Speaker 6: for a long time. And I think that that men's

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Speaker 6: very well.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 7: Obviously he's got to make it his own. He's got

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Speaker 7: to have his own success. And like you said, Patrick,

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Speaker 7: the culture talk is great. Everything up to this point,

462
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Speaker 7: he said everything correctly. You can't it's very difficult to

463
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Speaker 7: not do everything right up to this point. I think

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Speaker 7: the real test for Brian Schttheimer's culture is going to

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Speaker 7: be when things get tough, if they lose the first

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Speaker 7: four games. Yes, that's when you test the culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's when you tested the culture. At the end of

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Speaker 7: the day, he's going to be judged by wins and losses,

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Speaker 7: not how good of a culture.

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Speaker 5: And I think time and time again, just in the

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Speaker 5: league in general, when you have a new coach who

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Speaker 5: was just a great SoundBite, you often look at those

473
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Speaker 5: sound bites when a team is performing poorly and it

474
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Speaker 5: becomes very memorable, you know what I mean, Like you

475
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Speaker 5: can often throw barbs at a coach that's like all

476
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Speaker 5: talk and no play. You don't see the results there.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that about Brian Shotenhauern in anyway because

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Speaker 5: we haven't seen it yet. We have to see how

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Speaker 5: this plays out. Absolutely, you have to see how this

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Speaker 5: team performs. Especially for me, in the preseason, what are

481
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Speaker 5: the guys, what are the depth players going to do?

482
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Speaker 5: Because we struggled for with a lack of depth last

483
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Speaker 5: season obviously due to injury and due to many other

484
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Speaker 5: contract situations that were happening last year that kind of

485
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Speaker 5: limited our offseason activities. Now that you have kind of

486
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Speaker 5: built up the depth, built back up the depth for

487
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Speaker 5: your roster this season, I want to see how those

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Speaker 5: guys perform even in the preseason. I'm excited more so

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Speaker 5: about this preseason than I've been in many years.

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Speaker 4: I can agree with that, especially when you talk about

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Speaker 4: the ushering in of a new regime, not only Brian

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Speaker 4: Schottenheimer only offensive side of the ball and as the

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Speaker 4: executive of the coaching staff, but also Matt Eberflus. He

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Speaker 4: returns to the Cowboys, this time as the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 4: and then he brings in some high level names Aaron

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Speaker 4: Whitecott and being one of the higher level names, a

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Speaker 4: heralded defensive mind. He was able to poach away from

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Speaker 4: the New York Jets and that defensive staff at each level.

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Speaker 1: What does this look like?

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Speaker 4: Because you're also looking to replace a guy like Al

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Speaker 4: Harris as a secondary coach, as a defensive backs coach,

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Speaker 4: what does this new ushering in look like? But also

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Speaker 4: as you're trying to figure that out, your cornerback's position

504
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Speaker 4: is kind of in dire straits right now. So going

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Speaker 4: to your point, which is something that Schottenheimer told me

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Speaker 4: when I asked him, Hey, how do you battle the

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Speaker 4: challenge of finding continuity in a cornerbacks room that is

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Speaker 4: without treyvon Diggs?

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's without.

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Speaker 4: A promising young guy, and Josh Butler, it's without rookie

511
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Speaker 4: third round pick Savone Revel right now, he's on NFI

512
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Speaker 4: until further notice. You're missing guys. And then Jeordan Lewis. Oh,

513
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Speaker 4: by the way, he's in the Jacksonville Jaguars uniform. Okay,

514
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Speaker 4: so you have a lot to figure out there, but

515
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Speaker 4: that does open the door for these young guys to

516
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Speaker 4: really step up and show you what they can do,

517
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Speaker 4: because you can't plan for injuries, but they are inevitable

518
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Speaker 4: whomever they might happen to land on. The Cowboys were

519
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Speaker 4: ravaged by injury, one of the worst and most injured

520
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Speaker 4: teams last year, and their depth showed that it was

521
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Speaker 4: mostly non existent.

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Speaker 1: What does that look like? We're gonna find out this

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Speaker 1: year as early as the.

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Speaker 5: Preseason, they made those moves and one of the things,

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Speaker 5: at least for me yesterday, looking back at the first

526
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Speaker 5: training camp practice, I have to really give a quick

527
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Speaker 5: shout out to Kyle Yeomans who is not here. For

528
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Speaker 5: one Ky is not here, but our fearless leader is

529
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Speaker 5: back home putting in the work. Yes See, he was

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Speaker 5: going through Twitter all day yesterday for our first practice

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Speaker 5: and pulling one of my favorite articles from yesterday. It's

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Speaker 5: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. It's called Camp Captures. It's

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Speaker 5: a series where we're pulling cell phone videos from you guys,

534
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Speaker 5: reports from you guys on the field, and compiling together

535
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Speaker 5: for you the fan to basically watch practice through our

536
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Speaker 5: eyes with the impressive journalism of you two. Also, Nicole,

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Speaker 5: thank you, Oh, absolutely thanks. You seem qualified to me.

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Speaker 1: I do feel qualified the skull.

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Speaker 5: There's an article there, Keim cap Oh, I absolutely do.

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Speaker 5: Here ten key moments from Tuesday's practice. Can you guys

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Speaker 5: kind of run through the best highlights of yesterday and

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Speaker 5: kind of what you saw on the field.

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Speaker 7: Well, I thought it was interesting, Uh. I think overall

544
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Speaker 7: the defense probably won the day. I don't think it

545
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Speaker 7: was the best day for for the offense as a whole,

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Speaker 7: you know, offensively, I thought it was interesting. Saw Dak

547
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Speaker 7: Prescott really all the quarterbacks under center a lot more

548
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Speaker 7: than I thought they would be. You saw a lot

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Speaker 7: of motion, which is what Brian Schottenheim Joe Milton was

550
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Speaker 7: under center. You saw a lot of Brian Schoenheimer's motion

551
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Speaker 7: that he's mentioned several times to get to move things offensively,

552
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Speaker 7: a lot of play action, which we've talked about plenty

553
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Speaker 7: of being da Dak Prescott's strengths, but he also saw

554
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Speaker 7: some growing paints with you know, he and George Pickens.

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Speaker 7: There was one rep specifically where you know, he tried

556
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Speaker 7: to he tried to hit George Pickens quick and they

557
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Speaker 7: just had a miscommunication. And as soon as that happened,

558
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Speaker 7: Dak Prescott Brian Schottenheimer run up to George Pickens and

559
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Speaker 7: make sure that they set the record straight. Dak chaptist

560
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Speaker 7: chest and says, hey, that's my bad.

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Speaker 6: That's my bad. We'll we'll clean it up next time.

562
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Speaker 6: So that's the stuff that you want to.

563
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Speaker 7: Get out of the way now at camp and be

564
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Speaker 7: able to, you know, just turn the page on and

565
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Speaker 7: get it out now so you don't have it happen

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Speaker 7: during the season. And then of course a lot of

567
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Speaker 7: running the football too, a lot of gap scheme stuff.

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Speaker 6: That's what you saw under center. You saw Jevon post

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Speaker 6: that on, Miyles.

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Speaker 5: Sanders, concert Acyez Jaden Blue had a couple of runs,

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Speaker 5: Cavante Turpin taking snaps at running back to but.

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Speaker 7: Really the defense, I thought one the day Marshawn Neelan

573
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Speaker 7: was one of the headliners from there. I thought Mary

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Speaker 7: Sleafou had a good practice. I'll let Patrick kind of

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Speaker 7: expand more a little bit on that.

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Speaker 4: Well, when it comes to Marshawn Kneeling in camping now,

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Speaker 4: Nicole Hutchesson, our beloved Nicole Hutchess, impose the question who

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Speaker 4: is your dark horse going into this training camp? And

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Speaker 4: I specifically pointed out Marshon Kneelan. I feel like he's

580
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Speaker 4: flying under the radar. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 4: rightfully pointing at Sam Williams, and then of course Michael Parsons,

582
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Speaker 4: and then you got Zdraku who comes in as a

583
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Speaker 4: second round pick, so forth and so on.

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Speaker 1: Where does Marshon Kneeland fall in on all of this?

585
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Speaker 5: We tease it at the break.

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Speaker 4: Marshan Kneelan had the first interception of training camp for

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. It was on the play one of

588
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Speaker 4: the few mistakes that Dak Prescott did make on the day.

589
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Speaker 4: But he tried to get an outlet pass over to

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Speaker 4: the left who was out there in coverage. But marshonn Kneeling,

591
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Speaker 4: he brings the ball down. He shars a couple tackles,

592
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Speaker 4: get some yardage after the interception. Looked very much like

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Speaker 4: a defensive back, a very large defensive back. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 4: I think Marshon Kneelan is going to surprise a lot

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Speaker 4: of people going into year too. I think he's hearing that,

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Speaker 4: he's hearing about these other names and no one's talking

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Speaker 4: about Marshan Kneeling.

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Speaker 1: He's using that as fuel. I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: have I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think I'll stop short of saying a breakout season,

601
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Speaker 4: but it will definitely be an impact season over what

602
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Speaker 4: he was as a rookie, which was solid.

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Speaker 1: As far as other observations, excellent point.

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Speaker 4: As far as George Pickens and Dak Prescott, for the

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Speaker 4: most part they were kind of putting.

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Speaker 1: On the show yesterday.

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Speaker 4: But they did have that hiccup where they just were

608
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Speaker 4: not on the same page, which is expected because Pickens

609
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Speaker 4: just arrived midsummer before the break happened. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: Schottenheim or Dak Pickens, they got together, Dak took accountability

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Speaker 4: set we'll work that out, hey, Nicole Hutcheson, and so

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Speaker 4: from there you look at what Ceedee Lamb's presence was

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Speaker 4: doing for George Pickens. You look at what George Pickens

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Speaker 4: presence was doing for Ceedee Lamb. I posted a video

615
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Speaker 4: of the motion, the pre snap motion that put Lamb

616
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Speaker 4: and Pickens on the same side and basically good luck defense,

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Speaker 4: like who are you defending there?

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Speaker 1: You don't know?

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Speaker 4: Ended up being play to Pickens and then he took

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Speaker 4: it for another thirty forty yards right the connections there.

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Speaker 4: So for me offensively, that stood out the most. Marshawn

622
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Speaker 4: kneeling on defense but then really quickly flipping back to offense.

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Speaker 4: The running backs, Cavante turping, Yes, he was taking some handoffs.

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Speaker 4: What really stood out though, is this battle between Miles

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Speaker 4: Sanders and Javonte Williams.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this is interesting.

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Speaker 4: We saw duce Von getting some reps as well. We

628
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Speaker 4: saw Hunter Lipke getting some reps as well. We saw

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Speaker 4: Jaydon Blue, which, by the way, Jay and Blue just

630
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Speaker 4: he eternally looks like he's just one move away from

631
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Speaker 4: breaking it, from making you not want to go home

632
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Speaker 4: for Thanksgiving because you're gonna hear about how you just

633
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Speaker 4: got your ankles taken. Phil Maffo was showing physicality, but

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Speaker 4: Javonte Williams took a healthy amount of first team reps

635
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Speaker 4: and in open space he's gonna be a problem. His

636
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Speaker 4: quickness was evident yesterday. There was one play I'll give

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Speaker 4: to Marris Leophile though, and I posted the video as well,

638
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Speaker 4: wherein it was an outlet pass from dak to Javonte

639
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Speaker 4: Williams to the left side.

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Speaker 1: It's him in space versus Marist.

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Speaker 4: He goes to put the move on Merit without pads on,

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Speaker 4: Jeffalante wins that, but with pads on, I think Marris

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Speaker 4: Leafile takes his lunch and I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 4: that that one on one when pads come on. Javonte

645
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Speaker 4: Williams seems to be eching his way into being a

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Speaker 4: front runner.

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Speaker 1: But this very early and there's a lot of rips

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Speaker 1: to be taken.

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Speaker 6: I'll say two quick things.

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Speaker 7: One going back to Neeland, there was another rep that

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Speaker 7: he had aside from the interception.

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Speaker 6: It was him and Tyler Geydon, and man, he just

653
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Speaker 6: beat Geydon.

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Speaker 7: Quick with some great hand movement and just off right

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Speaker 7: off the edge and what got would have been a sack.

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Speaker 7: So I think he it wasn't just the interception. He

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Speaker 7: had a good overall day yesterday. That was one of

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Speaker 7: the things, And I might contest you a little bit

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Speaker 7: on Javonte Williams.

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Speaker 6: I know, I don't know if you look.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if he looked as quick as I

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Speaker 7: thought he would. I'm not saying he's a snail, but

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Speaker 7: I don't think it was. I don't think you saw

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Speaker 7: some of the explosiveness. Yeah, the burst that maybe Miles

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Speaker 7: Sanders gives you a little bit more of because he's

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Speaker 7: been He's always been the quicker guy, right, He's always

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Speaker 7: been the faster guy. We talked about that in our

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Speaker 7: training camp preview before we came out here to Axnartz.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not saying he looks stiff, but I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, maybe it's just knocking the rust off.

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Speaker 6: Right, this is a guy who's still well.

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Speaker 7: He says he's healthy now, but he suffered a major

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Speaker 7: knee injury and in his second year that you know,

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Speaker 7: it is something that for running back in your knee

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Speaker 7: and you've got to make the cuts and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes that's that's hard to kind of rebound from. And

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Speaker 7: you still struggle at points in your career to kind

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Speaker 7: of get that juice back.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not saying there's no juice left to squeeze.

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Speaker 7: But I think you know, when you look at the two,

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Speaker 7: maybe Miles Sanders has a little bit more juice after

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Speaker 7: this first.

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Speaker 4: One that will make it, especially considering Miles Sanders has

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Speaker 4: more NFL stripes under his belt as far as being

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Speaker 4: able to hit training camp running. And I will kind

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Speaker 4: of segue back to what you mentioned about would be

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Speaker 4: sex because guess who had a would be sack yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Who's that Mozzie Smith? Okay, so he's kind of important

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Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, kind of important.

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Speaker 4: So I know there's a lot of dialogue online right

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Speaker 4: now based upon what Brian Schottenheimer said about Mozzie Smith

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Speaker 4: being around three hundred pounds. Fans would have liked to

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Speaker 4: see and I am I admit I am one of

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Speaker 4: those people who wanted to see Mozzie Smith put on

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Speaker 4: weight after the failed experiment with Mike Zimmer. But that's

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Speaker 4: not what the Cowboys looking for for him. Okay, we'll

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Speaker 4: see how this goes this time around on the eber Flus.

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Speaker 4: But there was a particular play where Mozzie Smith beat

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Speaker 4: his guy right off the snap on his first step,

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Speaker 4: and it would have been a sack if they were

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Speaker 4: in pass and actually allowed to touch the Red Shirts.

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Speaker 4: Don't ever touch the red Shirts. But nonetheless, Mozzie Smith

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Speaker 4: would have had one and Dante Fowler. Depending on how

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Speaker 4: you look at that particular play, it would have either

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Speaker 4: been him bringing down the quarterback or him absolutely taking

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Speaker 4: the soul of the running back, which on that play

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Speaker 4: would have been Javonte Williams. But that's not a knock

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Speaker 4: to Javonte. That's the fact that as soon as Javonte

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Speaker 4: met Dak Prescott to get the ball, Dante followers right there.

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Speaker 4: He's also coming off of a career season with the

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Speaker 4: Washington Commanders. He's back home in Dallas again. This is

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Speaker 4: all fuel for Marshawn Kneeling, which is feel for Dante Fowler,

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Speaker 4: which is few for Sam Williams, because all of these

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Speaker 4: so many reps to go around.

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Speaker 5: We had an article yesterday that featured Dante Fowler check

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Speaker 5: to see him the very stoic picture of Dak But

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Speaker 5: Dante Fowler's blazing. It's insane how much speed that he has.

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Speaker 5: And just to see the effort already at day one

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Speaker 5: and just to see how that builds. Guys, we need

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Speaker 5: got some week questions for you, Fine fellas, are we

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Speaker 5: It is time. We have another show coming up on Friday,

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Speaker 5: so let's talk about then. But I want to end

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Speaker 5: this show on a couple of questions that I have

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Speaker 5: for you, big questions, big big picture running back by

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Speaker 5: committee again? Is that what we're doing, guys? And it

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Speaker 5: didn't work so well.

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Speaker 6: He's passionate about this, so I'll let him.

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Speaker 5: And I love the conversation with camping out. I kind

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Speaker 5: of want to bring it here with a little less tension.

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Speaker 5: Keatrick wu Saw, It's all good, always right in the world,

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Speaker 5: beautiful weather, it's nice and cloud I refuse to.

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Speaker 1: Woo Saw on this topic.

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Speaker 4: I'm not WUSAN on this topic, if you require a

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Speaker 4: running back by committee, it means you don't have a

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Speaker 4: running back.

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Speaker 1: That's how I look at it.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys have tried this running back by committee approach

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Speaker 4: and it did not work, much like they tried the

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Speaker 4: stop me if you've heard this before, the wide receiver

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Speaker 4: by committee approach, which is what led them to release

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Speaker 4: Dez brian In you know, years past, and that didn't

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Speaker 4: work either.

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Speaker 1: The by committee approach, I'm not a fan of it.

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Speaker 4: I want you to identify your lead back here, one A,

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Speaker 4: and then you can show me who your one B is,

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Speaker 4: and then who you're change of pace guy is, and

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Speaker 4: then you work off of that. That is what I

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Speaker 4: want to see for the Cowboys last year. They could

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Speaker 4: have made Rico Dawdle earlier. They could have labeled him

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Speaker 4: the one A and they would have had much more

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Speaker 4: success on the ground than they did. It took them

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Speaker 4: too long to come to terms with that. When they

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Speaker 4: finally did come to terms with that, then things started

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Speaker 4: to kind of click on the ground. Now there's offensive

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Speaker 4: line adjustments that you know, when you talked about Zach

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Speaker 4: Martin being hurt and even when he was on the field,

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Speaker 4: he wasn't completely healthy.

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Speaker 1: Offensive line play mattered to that as well.

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Speaker 4: But when you talk about running back by committee, it

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Speaker 4: really makes me itch. It really makes me itch. And

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Speaker 4: the only way to scratch it is to tell me

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Speaker 4: who you lead back is. But we'll find out, hopefully

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Speaker 4: at some point in training.

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Speaker 5: Well, Shoty said it too, did he not end this

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Speaker 5: press conference? It's like, we got to see these guys

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Speaker 5: on the field. This is the first time they're putting

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Speaker 5: pads on together with this old line. We got to

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Speaker 5: see how it looks on the field.

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Speaker 7: Tommy, Well, they need to put pads on and that'll

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Speaker 7: start next week when you know they actually get to

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Speaker 7: hit one another. But I'm gonna ask it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: ask you your own question here, Patrick.

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Speaker 6: Do they have a running.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have four? All right, let's say they.

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Speaker 11: Do.

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Speaker 7: They have a guy that you can say that's our

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Speaker 7: starting back and I feel good about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet.

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Speaker 7: I don't know either. I'm not convinced they do right now.

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Speaker 7: I'm not convinced they do. Somebody's gonna have to show

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Speaker 7: me something over these next couple of weeks of weeks

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Speaker 7: that says they do. Otherwise this is going to be

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Speaker 7: a bi committee approach. There's just no way around it.

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Speaker 7: They I don't think they have a lead guy that

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Speaker 7: you can be confident in saying, this guy can go

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Speaker 7: and get us, you know, one hundred yards on the

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Speaker 7: ground a game like that's always been the number, or

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Speaker 7: this guy can make us feel confident in our run game.

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Speaker 7: It's either going to have to be the offensive line

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Speaker 7: is unbelievable and they're they're running the scheme to perfection

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Speaker 7: to open up gaps for whoever's running the ball, or

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Speaker 7: one of these running backs are going to really have

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Speaker 7: to show something over the next couple of weeks, because

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Speaker 7: right now, I'm not convinced that they've got a guy

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Speaker 7: on their roster that they can really lean on to

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Speaker 7: be their lead guy.

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Speaker 4: I think it needs to be a combination of both things.

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Speaker 4: It needs to be the offensive line coming together jilling

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Speaker 4: as quickly as possible, especially with these younger guys.

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Speaker 1: Tyler guy and needs.

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Speaker 4: To take a big step in year two, and he

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Speaker 4: understands that Tyler Booker needs to try to hit the

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Speaker 4: ground running. I saw some good things from Tyler Booker yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Oftentimes he was at the second level on these run

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Speaker 4: plays looking for.

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Speaker 1: A meal to eat.

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Speaker 4: So I love that motor kind of reminded me a

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Speaker 4: little bit of early not necessarily well, maybe some like

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Speaker 4: all Collins, but I'll say there's some Ronald Leary in

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Speaker 4: his game. There's some Ronald Leary and Tyler Booker's game,

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Speaker 4: and I hope that manifests itself over the course of

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Speaker 4: the season. But offensive line has to play strong as well.

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Speaker 4: But even if they do, I still want to be

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Speaker 4: able to say that's going to be air quote the guy.

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Speaker 5: And I think at this point, probably the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 5: are thinking we have an offensive line where we can

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Speaker 5: put just about any running back behind them and succeed.

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Speaker 5: But another point to where what Tommy's making is that

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we have that guy that's going

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Speaker 5: to take us over the hump right right now, especially

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Speaker 5: having a run game that is going to hurt you.

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Speaker 5: It's serviceable now, it was serviceable last year at times

872
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 5: when had my goodness not Tony powlerd Ricodoubt in the

873
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 5: backfield last year. So it's kind of still up in

874
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: the air. What what can be answered as far as

875
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: the running back position this week.

876
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that can be answered this

877
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 4: week without pads is what you already know, and what

878
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: you already know is what each of these running backs,

879
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 4: including Hunter Lipkey, you know what they struggle at, and

880
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 4: you know what they excel at, and they excel at.

881
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: In different areas.

882
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: And there's some some crossovers, so like Miles Sanders's ability

883
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 4: in the open field kind of cross pollinates with Jayson

884
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: blues ability in the open field, a little bit of

885
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: Javonte William's ability in the open field. The physicality seems

886
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: to come from like a MafA or a Hunter lip Key.

887
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: But there's not any of these backs that we've seen

888
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: or that we will see before pads come on, that

889
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: can show you the ability to be physical and be

890
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: a danger in space and pass pro and those are

891
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: the three factors that you would have to encompass if

892
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: you want to be lead back for the Cowboys or

893
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 4: anyone in the NFL.

894
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 7: I think you're not really gonna learn much of anything

895
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 7: from the running backs. I think at all, you're not

896
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 7: going to learn anything until you put the pads on.

897
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 7: Question this week is all about install and making sure

898
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 7: that the offensive line is getting the scheme right. The

899
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 7: running backs know which gap they're supposed to hit, So

900
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 7: I don't put a lot of stock into this early

901
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 7: what we see from running backs like, yeah, is it

902
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 7: good to see them break away a long run? Absolutely,

903
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 7: but you know you don't. I don't put as much

904
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 7: into it as I do when the Pats come on

905
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Speaker 7: and these guys are allowed to hit one another and

906
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 7: bring each other to the ground.

907
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 5: All right, boys, before we wrap it up, I have

908
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 5: one more question for I need you. Oh yeah, it's

909
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 5: almost time, baby. We're moving along here, we're jelling, we're moving.

910
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 5: We have one position. I need you to pick one

911
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 5: position for me that needs depth still right now today

912
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: to day.

913
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 6: It's easy corner.

914
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm going to keep landing on cornerback. I'm going

915
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: to keep landing on cornerback until further notice.

916
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 5: Well, let me preface cornerback because Shoddy said in the

917
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: press conference that Deron Bland's going to be playing in

918
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 5: different spots. Do we expect him to see him more

919
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 5: nickel this year? And does that mean that kyer Elam

920
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: has solidified as starting outside corner spot this early.

921
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything solidified.

922
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 6: Nothing is solidified.

923
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 7: I don't think you're gonna I don't think we're really

924
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 7: gonna know until they get some guys back healthy. You

925
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 7: know what if Savonne Revel does what he says he

926
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 7: wants to do and is here at training camp, and

927
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 7: you know, does he'd play well enough to earn himself

928
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 7: a spot on the outside.

929
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: You know, I think if they have to.

930
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 7: They can play Deron Bland in the nickel because Deron

931
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 7: blan Is said in the past, Hey, I prefer playing

932
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 7: on the outside, but if I need to play in

933
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 7: the nickel spot, then I'll do it. And you know,

934
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 7: I don't think the Cowboys want to take away from

935
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 7: his strengths. I think he would be better on the outside.

936
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 7: But then again, they don't have many options for a

937
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 7: nickel corner spot. So you know, you kind of just

938
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 7: got to deal with the card that's been dealt to

939
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 7: you and try to get healthy so that you can

940
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 7: move them things around there a little bit.

941
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 5: But let me ask this, in your evaluation of Deron Bland,

942
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 5: does he fit better in in the nickel or would

943
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: you rather have outside?

944
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would absolutely rather have him outside. He started

945
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: his career with the Cowboys as a nickelback. He was

946
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: moved outside because of injury at the position, and that's

947
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: where he ultimately became the six King. He became the

948
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: pick six king on the outside. You're not going to.

949
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say you're not going to. It's very,

950
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: very difficult to be a pick six king plane as

951
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: a nickelback playing in the slot, you're simply not going

952
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: to get those types of targets.

953
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: You'll get targeted. But it's easier for teams to avoid.

954
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 4: Throwing at Darron Bland if they only have to contend

955
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 4: with him playing in the slot and not on the

956
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: boundary against some of their top targets. So I think

957
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 4: that works against the Cowboys. I think it would behoove them.

958
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: It works for them to know that he can, But

959
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: I would like to see that as a break glass

960
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 4: in case of emergency situation.

961
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they are approaching that right now.

962
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: But again to Tommy's point, you don't know what Savon

963
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: Revel brings to the table quite yet. How long would

964
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: tray Von Diggs require to get back to top form

965
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 4: after this injury.

966
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 5: Not to mention Josh Butler and Carson.

967
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: Josh Butler, you're not You're likely not going to see

968
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 4: Josh Butler this season because he suffered his torn acl

969
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: in December, so if you look at the timeline on that,

970
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: typically a year for full recovery, then he needs grace.

971
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: He may be back for the postseason if they can

972
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: make the playoffs. But Kayln Carson, a lot of pressure

973
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: is going to be placed on that young man coming

974
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 4: off of season ending shoulder surgery. But mister seatbelt needs

975
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: to step up and he knows that. So they're gonna

976
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: lean on him heavily. But they're gonna look to lean

977
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: on him as a boundary guy. But can he get

978
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: some reps in the slot? Israel mccuambo. He's on a

979
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: one year deal. He's played in the nickel before, but

980
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 4: can he do it on a full time level. They're

981
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 4: trying one year. Thomas the safety at nickel. They're trying

982
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: to figure out the nickel equation. I get it, but again,

983
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 4: it all goes to your question which position has needs

984
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: the most depth or has the most depth issues or

985
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: questions Right now, hands down, its cornerback.

986
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 6: And here's the issue.

987
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 7: If you put Deron Bland on the slot offensively, all

988
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: you need to do is get Deron Bland out in

989
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 7: the middle of the field and teams can have a

990
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: field day outside the number, outside of the hashes for

991
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 7: with whoever is out there. I mean the Philadelphia Eagles

992
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: last year when they were playing in at AT and

993
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 7: T Stadium, they had a field day throwing the ball

994
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 7: downfield and Jalen Urts was making throws at A J.

995
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 7: Brown DeVante Smith And you know Kyln Carson, that was

996
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 7: a game that he really struggled in and he lost

997
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 7: a lot of confidence from that game. And you know,

998
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 7: Andrew Booth is a guy who right now is taking

999
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 7: first team reps at corner and he's had his fair

1000
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 7: share of struggles with the Cowboys. So moving to Ron

1001
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 7: Bland inside I think ultimately makes you more successible.

1002
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 6: Most susceptible don't try.

1003
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 12: Succept Thank you was there trying SUSCEPTI susceptible. There we

1004
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 12: go to to getting you know, getting picked on the outside.

1005
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 12: And you know, if you've got your outside corners that

1006
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 12: you're not as confident in, then it's going to be

1007
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 12: really tough to defend the deep passing game.

1008
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: And I'll say this really quickly going to Dixie Delight's

1009
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 4: comment in the top check, and I've said this time

1010
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: and again for his departure. Cowboys fans who did not

1011
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: appreciate the presence and the production and the level of

1012
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 4: play of Jordan Lewis are unfortunately about to see what

1013
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: it's like to not have Jordan Lewis on your team,

1014
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: to not have that stability of knowing that while the

1015
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 4: boundaries are being worked out, Treyvon Diggs is injured versus

1016
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: Deron Bland is injured, they can't get on the field.

1017
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: At the same time, you always had the confidence of

1018
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: knowing Nichol was on lockdown.

1019
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: Well guess what now you're still dealing with injury on

1020
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: the boundaries and Nickel is the antithesis of lockdown.

1021
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: So unfortunately the Cowboys in that situation now.

1022
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: But you know, you gotta find the next Jordan Lewis,

1023
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: and that's not an easy doing and you might not have.

1024
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: Him on this roster right now.

1025
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Speaker 6: You don't, I don't think.

1026
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Speaker 5: Lots of questions they answer, you're right. That'll do it

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Speaker 5: for this edition of Talking Cowboys. We will be back

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Speaker 5: live and in living color this Friday at nine am

1029
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Speaker 5: Pacific time. Oh yeah, absolutely, so long from Talking Cowboys

1030
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Speaker 5: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll see you Friday.

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