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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Burrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daley, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck coming soon to Ohio on ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: He Here are your hosts Bow Bishop and Nathan Sigura

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Speaker 1: Light Let's do Alive on a Monday edition of the program.

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Speaker 1: Merely bo THI us Powell here with me in studio

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Speaker 1: as we kick it off on a Monday. And the

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Speaker 1: amount of steps in life that it would have taken

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Speaker 1: for you and I to be sitting right here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just go back. What was its spring two thousand fifteen.

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Speaker 1: It was after you guys won the Natty. Yes, Spring

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. A bright eyed m v P walks

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Speaker 1: into at the time CBS Affiliates newsroom in Columbus, Ohio

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Speaker 1: for an internship. I'm pretty sure I schooled you at

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Speaker 1: Horse or pig one or the two. I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's the way I remember that. See, that's sad that

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Speaker 1: never beat me. Actually we did play, but the time

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Speaker 1: whole spring though it was, and we went out once

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Speaker 1: I didn't shoot well because it was and we play pig.

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Speaker 1: I'll probably dunk all the time, just because you can't

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Speaker 1: I would do you have to do like a lamp version.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty. I'm barely athletic enough to

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Speaker 1: Do you think Michael Jordan? Don't do I look like

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's sir? You got something there? I mean, what

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Speaker 1: are we talking about? So the idea though that here

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Speaker 1: we'd be all these years later. Yeah, here we are

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Speaker 1: the Brown's facility, don't Cleveland Brown Sailely on a Monday edition. Man,

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Speaker 1: you're doing well. I am doing fantastic. You know, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: You had a wonderful weekend. I thought, I'm a little jealous.

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Speaker 1: You'll get it soon enough, you'll get it. So enough

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Speaker 1: girls gonna come along. They're gonna be want to be

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Speaker 1: My wife says she's gonna because you know, my wife

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Speaker 1: because your kids are interested what you're in. That's they

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Speaker 1: And I go, what do you mean make them? I'm

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Speaker 1: they're out shooting hoops, you know that's funny because now

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Speaker 1: be on the right side so that the helmets out

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00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: of the contact. I'm not a fan of that, no,

428
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: not either, but so like USA football teaches that, So

429
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: that's not the way that I was taught. We were

430
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: taught that you put you go wherever. It don't matter

431
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: where the helmet goes, but you want to roll towards

432
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: that side. So if you're gonna tackle him, you're gonna

433
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: wrap the thighs. And if your head is on the right,

434
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: you want to roll to the right. If you're on

435
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: the left, roll left to get him down. You want

436
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: to wrap and roll. So that's over the course of

437
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: a twenties, some of your period, you have these various

438
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: little different ways that are taught. I would just put

439
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: it to you this way, I think this is going

440
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: to be impossible to legislate. Never, there's no this is

441
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. There's just no way that you're gonna

442
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: be able to leave it. These officials can't get it

443
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: right the way that they are. Now, now you're gonna

444
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 1: have another judgment call it. Think about this, so we

445
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb has the ball, and I'm playing safety and

446
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm running to go tackle Nick Chubb and I wrap up,

447
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: but he's gonna keep driving his legs. So my natural

448
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: instinct is to drop my weight down to fall down

449
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: so he can stop trying to run. You're telling me

450
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore, So what am I gonna do?

451
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: Let him just keep running the score like that makes

452
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: no sense to me. This is like as a defender,

453
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: and it's been happening for so many years. And they

454
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: wonder why defensive players get so frustrated. It's because we

455
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: we understand that people don't come to the game to

456
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: see us. Everybody quite frankly hates defenders because they come

457
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: to see the deep ball get complete. They come to

458
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: see the long runs. And now you're trying to You've

459
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: already Taylor made the game to be in the offensive favor,

460
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, with the calls that you give them and

461
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: allow these receivers to do in such so on and

462
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: so forth. Now you're trying to take tackling from what's like,

463
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: so you want to put the flags on us. And

464
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: now we're look watching the game we watched last night

465
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: like it's not fair and it's unfortunately that they keep

466
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: doing this to the defense, but they never do anything

467
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: to help. The defense is always trying to paralyze us. Why.

468
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: I think what you have to get to the place

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: you have to get to in football is and I

470
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: try to tell all this to parents, Um, it ain't

471
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: for everybody. This is a violent game. Uh, it is

472
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: a collision sport. It's not a contact sport. Is a

473
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: collision sport. And you know what, Yeah, everyone's in the brochure. Um.

474
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: And as a parent, it's in you know when you

475
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: talk about little kid level, it's up. You're the one

476
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: reading the brochure. So you do what's best for your kid.

477
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: On that um, you have to acknowledge that we have

478
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: to get to a point in football where we acknowledge

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: that there is an inherent risk to playing a sport

480
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: where men who are in the type of shape that

481
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: you all are in, going as fast as you can

482
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: and colliding is something that's going to cause injury. There's

483
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: no way to avoid it. It's all part of it.

484
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: That's it. And then it's not football. So the idea

485
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: that you're gonna try to legislate a different type of tackling,

486
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: to me seems almost impossible. I don't even know what

487
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: you would want the defensive player to do, because you

488
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: guys can't be up around their head. You can't. You can't.

489
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: You can't lead shoulder without wrapping up. Like, what are

490
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: you suppose to do? How do you You can't tackle

491
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback low? You can't, he can't hit him high.

492
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't be around their arms. It's left.

493
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: You saw this in the playoffs. Do you remember the

494
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: play with Dac in the forty Niners? Eric Armstead? Do

495
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: you remember this play? Dak rolls out, he rolls through

496
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: the ends of the game's over, so it doesn't matter

497
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Armstead goes up to him, he doesn't tackle him or

498
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't wrap him and tackle him. I think because

499
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: he's worried that he's gonna get a penalty, so he

500
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: just kind of he kind of just shoves him a

501
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: little bit, but it doesn't knock Dac over. So Dak's

502
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: still is able to throw because in his head he's going, well, Ganda,

503
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do with this guy? Because

504
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: they were really enforcing those rough in the pastors like

505
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: some of them this year. I was just like that, like, man,

506
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want him to do anymore.

507
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: So this reminds me a little bit of a when

508
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: they took out strike zone tackling, you know, those big

509
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: hits where it was like the first time they did it,

510
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: because I was in I was at Ohio State at

511
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: the time when they when they first started to targeting thing,

512
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: and they were were sitting there like, well, so while

513
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: we're going in and we see a drag or we

514
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: see somebody on the dig and I'm breaking out the

515
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: post and I get a good break on it, You're

516
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: telling me I gotta stop and think about where to

517
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: hit this guy before, like that's it's impossible. Yeah, like

518
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: your game is happening like this, and I think that's

519
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: the problem. These guys gotta these guys gotta get it.

520
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: Put themselves in that position like go out there and

521
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: you try to tackle nik cha without dropping your way,

522
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: and you tell me if that works, and it's like, no,

523
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. So why would you even come

524
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: up with a thing to make it tailor for the offense?

525
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I get why because it sales more tickets,

526
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: but come on, it doesn't sell though, because they sell

527
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: out anyway. The ratings are the ratings. They don't it's

528
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: maxed out. You know, they don't need it. It's it speaks.

529
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: So last night did you happen to I don't know

530
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: if either one of you guys saw that. Did you

531
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: guys see the Baltimore thirty for thirty last night on

532
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: their first Super Bowl? Okay, so it was it was

533
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: on their deep thirty was fine? Um, a fine at best?

534
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: It was. It was okay. But the big thing that

535
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I took away from it was that that type of

536
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: team will never be built again, a team that was

537
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: built on the fear of playing its defense. Lewis Saragosa

538
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: read like it was that was a Rod Woodson was

539
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: the other safety like it was a punch you in

540
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: the mouth. It was we are going to defend and

541
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: you are going to fear us defense. You will never

542
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: build an NFL team that way. Now with the rules,

543
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: you can't because you can't even get people like that,

544
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's unfortunate. But now you gotta do it

545
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: in the finesse way they want everything to. You can't

546
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: tackle like you want. You can't even touch the courter

547
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: like forget about that. Like sacks nowadays, I don't know

548
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: how these defense ends and these pass rushers are able

549
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: to even do it because if you bring them down

550
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: too hard, it's flag every time. And it's it's starting

551
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: to happen in critical moments where it's like that the

552
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: defender the DV makes a great play, but because the

553
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: guy pushed the quarterback down too hard, it's free fifteen

554
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: automatic first down. Not a defense. Gotta stay out there.

555
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: It's been an eight play dry we finally get off

556
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: the field. You give him a free first down. Now

557
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: I turned into a fifteen play touchdown and drop and

558
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: it's just like man, So it happened. Um, it happened

559
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: in the a f C Championship game with Mahomes where

560
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: they you know, you know, like it's it's one of

561
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: those things where yeah, if you slow down the film

562
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: frame by frame, it is there's no question it's unecessary

563
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: roughness my letter of the law. It is. But you

564
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: think of the decision that's being made in the millisecond

565
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: it's being made being he goes from either pushing him

566
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: out of bounds. If it's a half step earlier, he's

567
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: just shoved him out of bounds. But that half step

568
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: which happens like that cost him fifteen yards, got him

569
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: a field goal, a f C championship, and now now

570
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: it flipped. Not a spirit of the law. I think

571
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: about this next season, come around that same key, get

572
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: that same opportunity to begin. He's gonna pull off. That's

573
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: what happened, and not a quarterback and take off. Well,

574
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna act like he's going here and he's gonna

575
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: cut it up, because it was like it's they got

576
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: to find a They've got to find a happy quarterback. Quarterbacks,

577
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: they are in the weight room as well. They do

578
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: everything that every other player on the team does as

579
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: far as lifting, condition and all that they can. They

580
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: can take a hit. Well. The other thing is I

581
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: mean that so that all changed with the Brady injury

582
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: after they went undefeated when he got hit low um

583
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: and then they said, well you can't hit low. Well,

584
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: now you can't hit and you can't hit high, and

585
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: you can't grab their arm. So it's a pretty small

586
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: window to be able to get to the quarterback. UM,

587
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: and so you wonder why you see this offensive explosion

588
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: we've seen the last ten years. It's all it's all

589
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: for a reason. Forty Niners left tackle Trent Williams selling

590
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: reporters he's coming back for sure mids retirement speculation during

591
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Saturday's Pro Bowl Games facility. I heard Brandon say yesterday

592
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: as well that UM the best team nobody could tell

593
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: him of the wise, I don't have a problem with it,

594
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: except if you just take quarterback out of it. Yeah,

595
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: like take away quarterback. They probably do. No, it's not

596
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: there's the most diverse offense in the league. No, because

597
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you can say you can't say that was gonna say

598
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: maybe at corners, but che Various War had a really

599
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: good season. But they I think they lost two corners.

600
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: They lost Emmanuel Moseley and they lost Jason Frette for

601
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: the year, so they was down two corners and they

602
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: still had to number one defense. So right, So I mean,

603
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: if you just they're a quarterback from being like take

604
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: quarterback out, and I don't have a problem with what

605
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: he said. I thought they probably are the best roster

606
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL aside from the quarterback position. Um. We

607
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: did see the news this morning a former defensive coordinator,

608
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Joe Woods. You know Joe of course from your time

609
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Uh, signed as the new defensive course.

610
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: Were you in Seattle when you went Joe? Joe was

611
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: in San France, San fran with you. So, Um, he

612
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: is a new defensive coordinator with the Saints. Um is

613
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: this this has beneficial? Hasn't it? If the Saints made

614
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: this official. There's been a ton of reporting on it today.

615
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything officials happening, which is weird because

616
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: they got they got rid of Chris Rashard, who was

617
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: my first dB coach in Seattle, who actually was the

618
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in Seattle. Then I'll repair with him again

619
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: in Dallas. They got rid of him to bring in Joe.

620
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: But they kind of spit the same philosophy, so similar language,

621
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: so it will be an easy adjustment for players. It's

622
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: from the same Happy for Joe too. It was a

623
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: good dude, always a stand up guy when he was here,

624
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: so good. Good for him, didn't take him long, Right back,

625
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: right back at it. The Panthers have hired former Broncos

626
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You got a name on a pronunciation on

627
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: this first name. Nope, the Broncos d C makes a

628
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: lateral move because Denver said thanks but no thanks, even

629
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: though Denver's defense was not the issue of arrow is

630
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: his last name, the first name the Hiro, Hiro of

631
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: Arrow with the JB in that sense. Um a hero

632
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: of arrow. So he's really good and real talented. He's

633
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: been up for every job everyone coach coordinator since the

634
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: season ended, I feel but he I mean, Sean Payton

635
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: was gonna bring in his own guy eyes for that.

636
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: So so he goes to Carolina. Were hired for Carolina.

637
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: He loves Vic because Vick going to Miami. Remember Sean

638
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: Payton was paired with Vic Fangie. I'm guessing that stopped

639
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: as soon as he took the Denver job. That's it

640
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Speaker 1: to different ownership. He's going back to Denver even though

641
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: he could have he could have doubled dipped. I'm sure

642
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: he's still getting paid from Denver. Different ownership too, so

643
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: it's different checks from different folks. Um Cowboys have named

644
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: team consultant. Brian Schottenheimer's the new offensive coordinator. How many

645
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Speaker 1: opportunities does he? Guessing this before the show? How many

646
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: opportunities does a guy get like calling the play? Just

647
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: keep getting what his father was like. Understand, I'm just saying, like,

648
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: at at what point are we like diminishing results? They're

649
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: looking at it like, well, first of all, it doesn't

650
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Speaker 1: matter because the head coach is called the plays anyway, right,

651
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Speaker 1: But it's my guess is offensive coordinator Dallas Cowboys is

652
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: a decent paying job, right, And there's probably some people

653
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Speaker 1: out there who I don't know, you feel like you

654
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Speaker 1: get maybe they needed to do service shot at the thing?

655
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: And when when was the last measure of success? Brian

656
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer's when was the first hot? Take? Take? Is it?

657
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean he was he was with

658
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Speaker 1: the Jets for a while. Heat is a disaster, may

659
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that there. I don't know

660
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Speaker 1: what it is where there's maybe there is maybe he

661
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: got like a legend. He's legend and everybody keeps saying

662
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Speaker 1: that he had to have taught him some something had

663
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: to be something there. Yeah, Uh, Cardos have narrowed the

664
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Speaker 1: field of three finalists for their head coaching vacancy, Brian Flores,

665
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Lou and Rumo and Mike Kafka. The three there. Nothing

666
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: is still an indie right No. And we were talking

667
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Speaker 1: about that as we were getting ready for the show.

668
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Speaker 1: I know that the entire Colts contingent went to Philly

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Speaker 1: to meet with r OC on Saturday. I believe you

670
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Speaker 1: had that on Thursday. Uh, And it sounds like they

671
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Speaker 1: might just be content to wait till after the Super

672
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Speaker 1: Bowl to make this. They want to give it DJF

673
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: so bad they do. Definitely they're gonna do everything in

674
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Speaker 1: their power to give it to Jeff. Yeah. Um. The

675
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: one thing I think that's interesting about this cardinal search

676
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: is only one of these guys is an offensive guy.

677
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Speaker 1: So the most important player in their organization based on

678
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: where he was drafted and what they're paying him, is

679
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And so if you hire a defensive coach,

680
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: who do you bring in offensively for Kyler? And now

681
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: do you make sure they stay well? You would have

682
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: to get a good offensive mind that can't make it work. Um.

683
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: Everybody always throws out the name Eric b Enemy. Um,

684
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Speaker 1: he must not interview well, because he's been up for

685
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: a thousand jobs. The thing about him is that a

686
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: lot of players don't really give him his praise. Like

687
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I remember, I was watching Lesha McCoy back when I

688
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: think it was earlier this year. Patty Mahomes and him

689
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: got into it, and Lesa McCoy like tweeted out, was like,

690
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: this guy don't do anything. He don't is all Andy Reid.

691
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: Everybody keeps giving Eric all this credit, but it's all

692
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Speaker 1: Andy ree So, I don't know, maybe maybe that's it

693
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: now he getting in there, everybody kind of figuring out, dude,

694
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: you not what everybody think you are. Yeah, he's been

695
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: in that spot for a long time. Um, this around

696
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: the sports world, this was the Kyrie Irving deal that

697
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: happens yesterday. Uh, Dorian Finney, Smith, Spencer Dinwiddie unprotected for

698
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: seconds and twenty seven and twenty nine in exchange for

699
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: Irving and Markis Morris. Um, Kyrie has detonated every situation

700
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: he's been in save for here like this one. I

701
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: don't the one here as as I understand it. Anytime

702
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: you talk to those guys around the team. At that time,

703
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Lebron wanted to put him in a deal. You were

704
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: here at that time, so that Lebron wanted to put

705
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: him in a deal for for Paul George. Right. He

706
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: got wind of it after the season and said, I'm out.

707
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to hear him out. But up until

708
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: that point, he wasn't. He didn't have any There was

709
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: no issues with Kyrie here, not at all. Everybody loved Kyrie.

710
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Kyrie was a lot of people's favorite player. I mean,

711
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: obviously everybody had too respect for Lebron, but everybody respected

712
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Speaker 1: Kyrie because, I mean he kind of brought energy back

713
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: in here. Now, they weren't winning games, but you you

714
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: remember the All Star Games where he was crossing people

715
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: over like he gave fun, He gave some exciting. So

716
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of Cleveland fans were it's tied

717
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: to him when he was here, and I don't know

718
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: what's going on with him ever since he's left here,

719
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: but he definitely does blow up locker rooms and he

720
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: leaves people high and dry. I mean, you think about

721
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: he left. He left Durant, He left Bran, the people

722
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: in the Tatum in Brown in Boston. Durant, who's his

723
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: best friend, left him. I mean, I don't. I don't.

724
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Why do you want that problem? I know,

725
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't tell you seven and six. He's a great player. Six.

726
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: But at some point, when it goes bad, it goes

727
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: What if it never goes bad, it'll go back. This

728
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: is the deal talent, pain in the neck. Okay, until

729
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: the pain in the neck those above the talent, which

730
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 1: is a place for you and that sports, that's anything

731
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: in life. So you'll put up with a lot. And

732
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: he's playing really well. What does this put the Mavericks

733
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: into West here? Nothing. I don't think that means anything

734
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, they did go to the conference

735
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: finals last year. It's they lost to go to State.

736
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: I think if anything, it shows Luca that they're willing

737
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: to spend money, that they're willing to build stuff around

738
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: in But it's just rental. No, they I don't think

739
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: they will better. Well I guess, I guess you didn't care.

740
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Would you give him money? I give him? It's all

741
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: It's going to be as a series of here's what's

742
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: gonna happen. He's gonna play out the rest of the

743
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: season here, then Lebron is going to force the Lakers

744
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: to take him on because you saw the tweets from Lebron.

745
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: Maybe it's me. My favorite part of the whole story

746
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: is you know why he ended up in Dallas? The

747
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: number one driving factor because the GM said you could

748
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: go anywhere, but l A know, the owner Josiah said,

749
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't care the Laker package out of spite, I'm

750
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: not sending him there. I like when spikes involved, I

751
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: like a good I would imagine you would make this

752
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: trade with at least knowing that you're going to extend

753
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: this guy. M Why would you give up your players

754
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: and picks? Well, there's role players and it's picks. Who knows,

755
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: and if you're good, those picks don't mean anything anyway.

756
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: So I mean the first round picking the bottom of

757
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: the lottery in the NBA, it's all just a diminishing.

758
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: It's almost as soon as you get to the draft,

759
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: it's worth less. It's worth more on paper than it

760
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: ever is in the draft. And that's why nobody takes

761
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers picks. Yeah, yeah, there's those two picks. Well,

762
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: the thing is is the two Laker picks that are

763
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: out there, very likely the Lakers is gonna be brutal.

764
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Those could be great picks. Is there an agent man

765
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: in a hurry? Um, well, Lebron is gonna break it tomorrow?

766
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: You going for what do you need? Six? Yeah? So

767
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: you think you're going for forty tomorrow? I bet he

768
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: has twenty Pelicans? Isn't the Pelicans? I don't think it's no.

769
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Speaker 1: They just played one of the worst. Yeah, he might

770
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: break it. Tomorrow's gonna breaking in l A. I have

771
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: not done it will be against Milwaukee, which kareem play

772
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: for the Lakers and Milwaukee? Yeah, you should do it

773
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: in the hook shot. I bet he does. I bet

774
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: he makes it. I bet he doesn't. He's smart. He

775
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: knows that you saw him practicing it. I think he's

776
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: got he's got a pretty good sense of the history.

777
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: He's got to do it in l A. I mean,

778
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: he's I can't imagine have seen this year. I think

779
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: that the thing that's hard for him is like, you're

780
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: in the shadow of all of that greatness, like Magic

781
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Johnson's omnipresent. Kobe is even more than that, especially posthumously,

782
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: like the only you have to give them something for

783
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: them to love. You're gonna live the rest of your

784
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: life in l A championship That nobody saw in a bubble. Yeah, really,

785
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: you're going to do him like that? No, I'm not.

786
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's why he's desperately chasing a second.

787
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: You're coming looking to me for anything, Lebron positive, it's

788
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: something that he's got a one more there that isn't

789
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: in that bubble, because that bubble is a weird one.

790
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: He's got an asterick next to it. It's earned. But

791
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: it was like, it's just a it's just it was

792
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: a weird that's weird. It's weird. People. Wouldn't you had

793
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: to be locked in for would I tell you that?

794
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: Because you hear all the players talking about they just

795
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: couldn't be in the bubble no more. You have people

796
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: sneaking out to go get wings. Well he was, and

797
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Lebron said, um, you know the other thing was and

798
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: you knew this as soon as they did decide they

799
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: were gonna do that bubble. You knew that that hit

800
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: that he would get him locked in. Like Anthony Davis

801
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: was in his prime, they were rested healthy, there was

802
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: nowhere in tear of the season. Nobody had played a

803
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: game in four months, so he was dialed in on

804
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: that one and it was pretty obvious. We'll get times

805
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: his thoughts on on what he made of the Browns

806
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: defense this year and what needs to be improved under

807
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Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz. That's coming up next. Listen to Cleveland Brown's

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Speaker 1: on the program do a little Brown's Defense, look back

815
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Speaker 1: what we saw this year, what worked, what didn't give?

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Speaker 1: They wants to know what was your biggest takeaway from

817
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the Browns defense last season? My biggest takeaway was this. Obviously,

818
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: the season started off, it was slow. They had moments.

819
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Speaker 1: I think the Cincinnati game was a big moment for them. Obviously,

820
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: you know Cincinnati has some injuries, but the way that

821
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: they finished the season is showed me that they had

822
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Speaker 1: the talent that I thought that they had what they

823
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: just didn't put it together for the whole year. You know,

824
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: you think about the last maybe four or five games.

825
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: They were able to get takeaways, they got intercept, they

826
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: was punching the ball out, Sacks was coming. So it

827
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: shows me that it is there, but for some reason,

828
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: it took them a very long time to get to

829
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: that point. They gotta find a way to get to

830
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: their game one, and that's it's gonna be hard to do, obviously,

831
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Speaker 1: because you're getting a whole new defensive scheme coming in.

832
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be new language, new philosophies, new players to

833
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: be in the system. But if they can find a

834
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: way to get it, it shows that they have play

835
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: making ability. They just have to do it consistently. I

836
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Speaker 1: always had pretty I always had a kind of the

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Speaker 1: belief the theory. I guess that, uh, it was a

838
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: defensive roster that was put together with the idea that

839
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: we would be ahead in a lot of games and

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00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: that teams would have to chase us and they'd have

841
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: to throw. It is a It was a defense, the

842
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: defensive too deep. The way that the roster construction was

843
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: built to get after the quarterback on the edges and

844
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to be able to cover like crazy. But all of

845
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Speaker 1: a sudden, when the suspension went from four to six

846
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: games to eleven, and all of a sudden, you're playing

847
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: an entire really different style offensively. And now all of

848
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, teams are able to run it on you

849
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: and salt out games because they have the lead. You don't.

850
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: You're not in shootouts, you're in slugfests. You didn't have

851
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: those type of players definitely changed everything. They definitely didn't

852
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: have it in the middle of the defense, a linebacker

853
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: like you didn't have thumpers. And that's and that's the thing,

854
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, you look around the league. What

855
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: did this league become? You know, it's become a passing league.

856
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: And if you look at the way the Browns are constructed, Yeah,

857
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: we got great pass rushers on the edge. We have linebackers.

858
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Now they're undersized linebackers, but they're athletic. They can cover space.

859
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, they're able to to make up with speed.

860
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: But when teams are just running the ball, you know,

861
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: we defensive tackle was not a position that we thought

862
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: would be valuable, and it really hurt them. I remember,

863
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, before the season even started, in the preseason,

864
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: I said they need to address you know, this defensive

865
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: tackle spot because teams would just run trapp and dive

866
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: ball game and everybody, you can be patient. If you're

867
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna get four yards a pop, we'll be patient and

868
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: we'll win games like at And obviously that came into

869
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: fruition and that's what they did. So I'll be interested

870
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: to see how they addressed that. I'm pretty sure that's

871
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: the number one on the list this all season. It is.

872
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they defensive line is gonna need a couple, yeah,

873
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: the three, and they need to get some big D

874
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: D tackles in there that can yeah, they can stuff it.

875
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: So that'll be on Andrew Berry's wish list. What can

876
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: you expect the defense to look like under Jim Schwartz?

877
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: How much do you have any familiarity to Schwartz? You're

878
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: playing one. No, I haven't played in one, but I

879
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: have went back and I've watched, you know, some of

880
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: them Eagles games, and obviously what made them go is

881
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: they had a Malcolm Jenkins on their team. Malcolm was

882
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: the guy who if you had a problem, put Malcolm

883
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: on her handling. They played a lot of man. Obviously

884
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: we all know they got the wide nine with the

885
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: d M being out a little bit further, which Miles

886
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: Geared would love. However, I think that you have to

887
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: have those guys in the middle to make that work,

888
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: because if you're getting you, if you're asking your defensive

889
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: end to be out wider, teams are like, oh, we

890
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: can just attack right this little crease right here. That's

891
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: when the defensive tackles coming to play. You gotta be

892
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: able to eat those blocks up. You gotta have those

893
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: linebackers flying in there. So at this present moment, I

894
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: don't know how that would work with the way that

895
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: our defensive tackles played last year. They would have to.

896
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: That's why I say it has to be like the

897
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: number one thing on their list. They get that situated.

898
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm in the minority. I kind of like the way

899
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Perryon was playing at the end of the year. It

900
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: seems like he kind of got things going towards late.

901
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: If he can continue to keep progressing and they pair

902
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: him up with a veteran defensive tackle or a guy

903
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: that can be disruptive or maybe not even be disruptive.

904
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: It was a guy by the name of Kyle Williams.

905
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: He played. He played for Buffalo Nobody. If you if

906
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: you knew him, if you watch Buffalo. He wasn't one

907
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: that made like these big time plays all the time.

908
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: He made some plays, but every defensive end and edge

909
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: Russia loved him because he would take on the double

910
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: teams and he would get you free and he would

911
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: help people get paid money. If you get a guy

912
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: like that and you could you pair him up with Miles,

913
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Miles would love a guy that could eat up double

914
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: teams and give him the one on one all the

915
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: time and allow him to do whatever he wants to

916
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: do because he'll be more productive. I think they can

917
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: find a guy like that. Obviously, they have to be

918
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: more of the veteran form. Yeah, it's um And that

919
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: feeds into the next question, which what is the biggest

920
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: issue that Browns need to address on the defensive this offseason.

921
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: It's clearly that it is they need. You know that

922
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: if you think about wish list. Nathan I talked about

923
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: this all the time, it's you need a speed receiver,

924
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: Yes you do. You need somebody to take the top

925
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: off of this defense who can catch the ball. It'll

926
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: make this offense, this offense is good, it will go

927
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: to phenomenal if you could get one guy to stretch

928
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: your fields because now DPJ can run that famous dig

929
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: right and not have to worry about trying to beat

930
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: a dropping lineback or a freaking corner on them all

931
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: the time. If you've got somebody that's stretching the field,

932
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper looks better. Now I can really route somebody

933
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: up and not have to worry about a double team

934
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: because not the safetyes have to back off and I

935
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: don't have two people to double team me anymore. So

936
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: that is a big knee. So it's that it's I

937
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: think two defensive tackles. I'm with the unperian and I

938
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: think the organization is too. They just need him to

939
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: be a pro. Yeah, just be a pro. That's it.

940
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Be a pro. But they need to add a dude,

941
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: and then they needed to add another developmental guy, and

942
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: then they need another defensive end because they lost Jadeveon.

943
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: I like Alex right, yeah, but he's gotta go. Yeah,

944
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: he has his moments, but it's not consistent, which falls

945
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying. But they definitely definitely

946
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: need to add another edge and obviously a linebacker. So

947
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: if I don't know what they're gonna do at middle, yeah,

948
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. On on a walk. I don't. I know,

949
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: they like him a lot, and he likes the organization,

950
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: but who knows where that goes going forward? Um, so

951
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: so they've got they've got some things to sort out.

952
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: What did you make of del Pitt as the season

953
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: went along? So, Dale, it was one of those guys

954
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: that a lot of people crushed him. But the difference

955
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: between me and a lot of people was that I

956
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: actually knew the scheme that we was running. So a

957
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of the mistakes that were made, he would be

958
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: the one that's an area and a lot of people say, oh,

959
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: it's him, and I'd be like, actually is not his

960
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: responsibility is actually this? So um. The only game that

961
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: really bothered me from Dale Pit was the Patriots game

962
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: when he let the tight end go. He got beat

963
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: on that route. But as the season went on, he

964
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: became better a man and man coverage he got I

965
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: think he might have let the team of interceptions correct

966
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: and then um, he became really good in the run game.

967
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: So I kind of like the way that he was going. Um,

968
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm confident having him back down in that box. Um,

969
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do with J three.

970
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what his situation is. I like j three.

971
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a good playmaker. I just don't know

972
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: if he was utilized correctly in this system. Yeah, and

973
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: it feels like that honestly, Like like John Johnson and

974
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: Delpert are kind of both want to do the same thing.

975
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: And you need a you need a true center field

976
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: for three guy that can go sideline the sideline in

977
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: that if you're gonna run one high, especially if you're

978
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: looking at up Schwartz defense, he runs a lot of

979
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: man with one high as well. So you still need

980
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: a guy who's the eraser. That's what they call the

981
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: post safety d eracer. So if a guy does get

982
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: be he can get over the top make a play

983
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: on the ball, or if the ball breaks down the

984
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: middle from the running back, he's able to get it down.

985
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: Is there I'm trying to is is there anybody in

986
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: this I don't know. It's let me look at Jesse

987
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: base will be phenomenal. But you know he's he's a

988
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: guy that's around the ball as well, so it would

989
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: be the same the guy. He's good. He's good. He

990
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: even though he's a he was a nickel, which is

991
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: another need that we need we need a guy who

992
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: can play purely nickel because I mean, I don't know if,

993
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: like I know, g New likes playing. I don't know

994
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: if he loves it. I think he does it because

995
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: it's what the team needs. But if you want to obviously,

996
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: if you want to get paid, Denzel has already and

997
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 1: that's where I'm glad you brought this up. I think

998
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: Denzel would be out of the three, out of him,

999
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: Genu and Martin Emerson, I think Denzel would be the

1000
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: best equipped for nickel because those nickel corners are the

1001
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: twitchy guys you're thinking about it. The guys that they're

1002
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: going to get in the slot are the quick, shifty receivers,

1003
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: with Denzel, to me, is the most shifty out of

1004
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: those three to our name. Obviously, Martin Emerson is my side,

1005
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: and uh, Genu is more physical. But I think, and

1006
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: he's been paid already, let the other two young guys

1007
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: get out there and get paid, because that's really where

1008
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the money. If I think the highest

1009
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: paid slot corner is probably Kenny Moore from the Colts maybe,

1010
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's making a hundred million like

1011
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: Denzel there, So let those two young guys, if they're

1012
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: comfortable on the outside, let them play on the outside

1013
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: and get paid. Let Denzel be the guy because he's

1014
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: athletic enough to send him on blitz and we're seeing

1015
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: him go under dip, under guards and tackles to make

1016
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: tackles and stuff like that. Let him use his athleticism

1017
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: to make plays. Finally, who needs to set up the

1018
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: most on the defense next season? Man, it's a lot

1019
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: who needs to step Yeah, the whole defense pretty much.

1020
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I would say from the guys that I know that's returning,

1021
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one on every level. I'm gonna

1022
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: say Alex Right or Perion, one of those two. Both

1023
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: of those two actually um in the linebacker room. I'd

1024
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: say Jay Okay, he's a guy that he to me, Hey,

1025
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: they make him play Will, and I think he's better

1026
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: at Sam. The difference between the two is the Will

1027
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: is always in the box. The Sam is the guy

1028
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: that's that can be kicked out the box because the

1029
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: nickel replaces him. However, say you get caught with base

1030
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: on the field and you got j Okay in there.

1031
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: He's athletic enough to at least get you through the play.

1032
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: And make plays on the ball. I think they're doing

1033
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: him kind of a disservice keeping him in the box.

1034
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: I think you need to let him be in space

1035
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: where he can blitz and be in dropping coverage and

1036
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: play the flats like that, because he can use his

1037
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: athleticism to make plays. He'll be checking tight ends and

1038
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He'll he would thrive in that role.

1039
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: So j Okay will be the guy there and then

1040
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: in the secondary. If J three is here, he gotta

1041
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: make He has to find a way to make more plays.

1042
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: He gotta be more available. He has to make his

1043
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: name known. We need that guy that was with the Rams.

1044
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: All right, coming up next, second hour of the program.

1045
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,719
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1046
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,239
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1047
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,560
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1048
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: the college football side of things with my buddy as well.

1049
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1054
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Speaker 1: he will get to those. Our good buddy Bill Bender

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00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: will join us UM at the bottom of the hour. Um.

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Speaker 1: One thing that you can say about the NFL, UM

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00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: is that you absolutely know what you're going to get.

1059
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: The sport has never been more popular. Um. The sport

1060
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: has never been more aligned. Uh, it's ever been more

1061
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: lucrative to play. I think everybody understands what they're getting

1062
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: into when it comes to the NFL. The same cannot

1063
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: be said. Not all of that can be said about

1064
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: the sport that that certainly you thrived at at a

1065
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: very high level and I adore, which is college football.

1066
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: I want to take a couple of minutes to talk

1067
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: to you about where the sport is right now, because

1068
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: it's a wild thing. I don't know if you saw

1069
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: the story today about the Jade rushot a kid. Did

1070
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: you see this. He's a recruit out of California. I

1071
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: just know he ended up going to Uh. He was

1072
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: supposed to get a thirteen million from Florida and fail

1073
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: through it. Now he's at Arizona. So for the folks

1074
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: out here, he don't follow recruiting. God bless you if

1075
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: you don't, because it's a mess. Uh. This is a

1076
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: California quarterback originally was committed to Miami. Ends up. Yeah,

1077
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: but not arch Manning, not Star, not Lawrence. He's a

1078
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: fine player. I watched his tape. He actually he throws

1079
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: a good ball. Yeah, he's all right, But who knows

1080
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't bet your life savings on God? No, no, no, no,

1081
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: he's no sure thing. So he commits to Miami. Eventually

1082
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: switches over to Florida. Um, there, this number gets out

1083
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: about thirteen million dollars, right, so that money ends up.

1084
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: We come to find out the story and today in

1085
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: the Athletic that there was a signed n I L

1086
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: agreement between an agent representing Jaden Rashata and his family

1087
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: and a university afforda Florida collective. Okay, the University of

1088
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: Florida collective says, actually, we're not going to do this.

1089
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: The money goes away entirely. The kid decommits from Florida.

1090
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: They released him from his name image or from his

1091
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: national letter of intent, and he ends up signing with

1092
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Arizona State. In his day, I go there or something.

1093
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: His dad was an alum. Now this is where it

1094
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 1: gets really interesting and I want to GiB you gotta

1095
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: hear this because this will blow your damn mind too.

1096
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: And this speaks to kind of a little bit where

1097
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: where we are with with the sport and how they

1098
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: are just there are no guardrails. But it's not the

1099
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: thing that bugs me is like people want to go

1100
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: with the kids. It's not the kids. It's not the

1101
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: kid's fault. This is the administrators, the adults in the

1102
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: room that have driven the sport to this point. The

1103
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: kids are getting what they're worth. But this is the

1104
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: deal that this rashotic sign called for a five hundred

1105
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollar upfront payment. After that, his payments would increase

1106
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: from two undred and fifty thousand dollars a month as

1107
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: a freshman, to two and nine dollars a month as

1108
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: a sophomore, to three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars

1109
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: a month as a junior, rounding out with a hundred

1110
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: nine thousand monthly payments as a senior. So long as

1111
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: he fulfilled the following obligations. You ready for these obligations,

1112
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: so you had to do all he had to do

1113
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: because you can't say he has to play for the

1114
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: University of Florida because that's a recruiting inducement. Okay, he

1115
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: has to reside in Gainesville, Florida. Okay, you gotta Florida

1116
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: at least one branded Twitter post in one branded Instagram

1117
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: post a month, up to eight fan engagement events per year.

1118
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: It ask really easy. So it could be in person,

1119
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: social media video, you could zoom and interviews. None would

1120
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: last longer than two hours. Who's got eight of those

1121
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: a year? And an auto an autograph? Up to fifteen

1122
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: pieces of merchandise per year. That's easy. That's the contract,

1123
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: and you wonder why. Somebody on the Florida end of

1124
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: it went wait, what what do we do? What are

1125
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: we doing? So it all fell out. Nobody knows who's

1126
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: representing the kid. The contract isn't binding because quite frankly,

1127
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: it's illegal to do You can't do that, right, So

1128
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: the contract is binding, it's worth, not worth the paper

1129
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: it's written on, and there's no way to police any

1130
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: of this. The n C double A last week comes

1131
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: out with a uh, the guy who's head there enforced

1132
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: with this clown comes out and says, we can now

1133
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: we are now going to say you are guilty and

1134
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: you have to prove your innocence and that'll hold up

1135
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: in court. It's not gonna it's nonsense because that's at

1136
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: the same thing. You can recruit can just say so

1137
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: like Jada Roushat and said, yeah, y'all gave me this,

1138
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: and they you have to say what as guilty until

1139
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: but none of that that You're just gonna get sued

1140
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. The Emperor has no

1141
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: clothes on this thing. The thing that annoys me is

1142
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: the and the funny thing is is much like the NFL,

1143
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: college football has never been more popular. The ratings are

1144
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: through the roof. The two footballs are the only things

1145
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: that continue to grow ratings. Everything else is receiving, but

1146
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: the two footballs continue to grow. And you're sitting here

1147
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and you're going nobody knows what

1148
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: to do, Oh High State. At National Signing Day last week,

1149
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: Mark Pantoni is the director of recruiting and communications. Great

1150
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: guy he's He says, look, we got to change the way.

1151
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: If a kid comes to us and says we want

1152
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: n I L then you're not for us, and were

1153
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: their attitude as much like Alabama's, come to big state

1154
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: you and then we'll take care of you and get

1155
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: you sorted out. Where there are some that are using

1156
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: it as straight paid to commit paid a sign like

1157
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: Texas A and M's classed by the way all fell

1158
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: apartment say they're getting me one year and they're transferring

1159
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: about it there, you know the way I look at it,

1160
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm never mad at players for giving get taking money.

1161
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody gonna give you ten million to

1162
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: play for their school, didn't buy all means. My only

1163
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: thing is that make sure that you have the bigger

1164
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: picture in mind. Do you are you playing this game

1165
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: just for the money? Are you playing it to go

1166
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: to the NFL to be great and you know, go

1167
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame one day? Because if I

1168
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: don't know Harvard, it's be thirteen million dollars. I can

1169
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: go to Harvard and play get thirteen million dollars. I'm

1170
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: not going to the league. My chances of going to

1171
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: the league and being that guy's slimmer. I go to

1172
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: o how State, then obviously it's different or Alabama's totally different.

1173
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get developed, my chances of getting to the

1174
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: league increased. So you gotta have the bigger picture in

1175
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: mind when you're going through these recruiting things. But I

1176
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: get it. Everybody comes from different situations. Everybody people come

1177
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: from They don't have a dime at home, so a

1178
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to them might it will change some

1179
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: things around their their famili's life. So I get that,

1180
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: But you have to think about the fact that, yeah,

1181
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: how state might not give you thirteen million, they might

1182
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: give you two million, but you've got a better chance

1183
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: of longevity of money and career. I'll tell you this,

1184
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: if that were real and you're a four star kid

1185
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: and someone has given you three fifty thousand dollars a

1186
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: month your junior year of college for all that was

1187
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: required to that kid. I mean you watch the kids tape, right,

1188
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: he's nice, he's got a nice hard but it's not

1189
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: like you're watching like this is Pete Man, it's not that.

1190
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 1: But he's a fine player, but like there's no sure

1191
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: thing I can't even imagine like being him or he's

1192
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: like that's life changing money. It changes your life. Man,

1193
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: A couple hundred bucks I thrower in college three grand

1194
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: for a month, three a month, four big, big trouble.

1195
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, Like Gainesville in college, hire

1196
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: some really good financial people. Man, you gotta pay tax man.

1197
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: That's a lot of there's a lot going on. Yeah.

1198
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: So he ends up going to Arizona State and in

1199
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: the story they say he got no name, no and

1200
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: I and he just has to earn it. I gotta

1201
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: learn it like everybody else. That's the way it's gonna go.

1202
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: The thing that I don't have a whole lot of

1203
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: patients for is coaches making nine and a half million,

1204
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: administrators making several million complaining about a system that they

1205
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: allowed to go this way. Like, if you don't want

1206
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: it to go this way, give your money back. Yeah.

1207
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: The only way to fix this tibus is to call

1208
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: it what it is. It's pro sports, it's contract. That's it.

1209
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: And that's the only way. But now you know, you

1210
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: can have terminations, so like the kid could, if you're

1211
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: not doing a job, we're firing you. You getting kicked

1212
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: out of school. That used to happen anyway. They take

1213
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: scholars away to urban did that. He brought that to

1214
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: a highest state. That happened at Alabama. That happened in

1215
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: the South. I was about to be one. Oh right,

1216
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: they come in and go, hey, you know, I don't

1217
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna fit in our system. I'm not

1218
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: sure if we'll have your scholarship anymore. You go, wait

1219
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: a second. I signed this is four years. That's what

1220
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: I was promised, and they pull them's one year. It

1221
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: has to be renewed every years. That ain't that's not

1222
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: what the spirit of it is. So they've taken advantage

1223
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: of it all these years, and now the kids get

1224
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: a little bit back, and I'm gonna be mad at

1225
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: the kids. I laugh at the coaches there. If we

1226
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: start paying the keys, I'm not I'm not going to

1227
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: be a college coach anymore. They still are there. They're

1228
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: still there, by the way, making eleven million dollars a year.

1229
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: Dabo is but you see that it's certainly been recruiting.

1230
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: He's not getting the players he was two years ago. Nope,

1231
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: all that, all of that started to go away. Um,

1232
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big offseason for the Buckeyes though,

1233
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: and an interesting the college fooball has ever been more interesting.

1234
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's great, but it's never been

1235
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,600
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Speaker 1: At Brown's Underscore Daily. Hello Ji, Hi guys, any buddy uh?

1248
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Speaker 1: Jason in Omestead, Falls would like some context on a

1249
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: Tis Powell tweet. Jason said, Falls, that sounds like he's

1250
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Probably enjoys the beverage Summer League. He

1251
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: was looking for one at about nine oh one this morning.

1252
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: If Marvin Harrison Jr. Decided to sit out next season

1253
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: and prepare for the draft, would you be the first

1254
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: wine on off the board like Jamar Chase full disclosure.

1255
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't suggest he do this. I like the qualifier

1256
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: Nation man at you, I'm what do you? I don't

1257
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: understand what the problem with the tweet is. I mean,

1258
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: and it's I was asking the question and I thought about,

1259
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: let's see Jamaar Chase. You know, arguably he went to

1260
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the championship, had a great season, justin Jefferson the year

1261
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: before in first round. Arguably you could say who was

1262
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: better between those two. He decides to sit out. Now,

1263
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: Covid obviously played a part in all of those things,

1264
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: but he sat out of year, went first first wide

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Speaker 1: receiver off the board, went back to back with his quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and the rest is history. He's one of the best

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Speaker 1: wife receives in the league. He didn't need to put

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Speaker 1: that extra year of college on his body. Now I

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Speaker 1: fast forward. I look at Marvin Harrison Jr. And I

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01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: say he's the best wide receiver in college. The pros,

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Speaker 1: even the corners, and the pros talk about how great

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Speaker 1: this guy is. All front officers not that this guy

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Speaker 1: is going to probably be the best receiver in the

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Speaker 1: draft next year. Why does he need to play? He

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Speaker 1: doesn't The answer to your question is yes, it would

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Speaker 1: be the first receiver off the board. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, he would have gone on the other thing.

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Speaker 1: The other thing. I don't want him to, but I

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Speaker 1: mean I want him to play. He's a pure joy

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Speaker 1: to watch. Here's the deal, though. One of the thing

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Speaker 1: on the Chase I think that's really important to why

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Speaker 1: he was the first receiver off is the fact that

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Speaker 1: the quarterback in Cincinnati was his quarterback at l s UH.

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01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Who then could tell the Cincinnati for Ant office, this

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Speaker 1: is my guy. Don't I don't need the tackle, I

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01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: don't need the tight end. Give me that. In the

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Speaker 1: same broth, his quarterback is projected to go top five

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Speaker 1: this year, so they don't he could tell them, you

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Speaker 1: get my guy. Yeah, So that could happen just out

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Speaker 1: of curiosity. What are your what's your guests on Jamaar

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Chase's sophomore year stats at l s U College Football

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01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: tail twelve yards? Can I interest you in seventeen eight?

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: What seventeen? You know? What? You know? What? Yards for? Catchword?

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01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: Sophomore year at l two total touchdowns receiving touchdowns rather

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: really twenty receiving touchdowns A sophomore year that was he

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Speaker 1: not even a Heisman finalist. Joe threw for six thousand

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Speaker 1: yards and sixty touchdowns. Correct, but Joe won the Heisman

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: by the biggest margin ever. But should those numbers should

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Speaker 1: have merited a Heisman finalists? Smith didn't even have touchdowns?

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Speaker 1: Is that's ridiculous. It is people forget. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: should have been up at the you should have been

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Speaker 1: at the table at least numbers. So now, so that's

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Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase. Justin Jefferson was a junior that year on

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: that team. Justin Jefferson receptions one hundred and eleven fifteen

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: forty receiving yards, eighteen touchdowns. Ridiculous that that was their dudes,

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: fifteen eighty for your two starting receivers in college football total,

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Speaker 1: total touchdowns. You know, you know it to be interesting

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Speaker 1: if I'm Marvin Harrison, I'm comparing my numbers to Olive

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Speaker 1: and Wilson and then JSN the year last year, not

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: this season, last year, comparious numbers because if they all

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Speaker 1: go first round. So that was the writings on the wall.

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Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is that that's the other

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: part that's interesting about it is you could say you

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Speaker 1: said JSN for the audience. That's Jackson Smith and Jigba

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: who this year played a game and a half whatever

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: it was, two games for the Black Eyes. Had he

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01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: not played down, he would have been drafted higher than

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: having played because he got hurt. Like there's talk he

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01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: could fall into the bottom half of the first round.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that, and most of the Morks have

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01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: him in that area. I don't see that because if

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01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: you turn the table and it's undeniable and all you

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01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: have to do is go to the combine showed that

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01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: the hamstring is healthy and they gonna fall in love

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: with the tape. It's the tape. Yeah, at the end

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01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: of the day, you're judged off the tape. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Cleology tweets up the show, knowing it's our biggest need

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: this offseason. What kind of interior defensive linemen would fit

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: Schwartz's scheme best? A good one obviously, obviously you know

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01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: the hot name is Javon Hargrave. You know obviously he

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01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: played with him when it with Philly. I actually got

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: to train with Javan and um Exos when I was

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: coming out for the draft. Really good guy, but he's effective.

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: Obviously A guy that could eat up double teams hold

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01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: they hold their own and make plays in the run game.

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: Because if you ask him miles to be in a

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: wild ye nine teams are going to try to attack

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: that gap. So you need a defensive tackle that can

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: two gap their guard or and make plays right there

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: and stop the run game. So one that's effective. Yep

1341
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: from Assistant radio production Guru Connor Lawrence without looking it up,

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: do you know what the Pathing Korean theorem is? Square? Yes,

1343
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: A square plus b squared equals c square. That's my answer,

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: which is something better one we've never you've never used.

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: I just had this conversation by eleven year old just

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: you just wait till your girls get into like math

1347
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth grade. Wait, I love math.

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: So no, you no, no, the way you don't like

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01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: you don't like that? You know what that's? Man. I

1350
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: talked to a new dad and he said that same thing.

1351
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: He said that his his daughter isn't like the fifth

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: or sixth grade. That's not how you get the answer.

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean? It boxes the

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: only time my kids and my wife have almost just

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01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: yelled our faces all man. Yeah, I'm like no, that's

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01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: how you do it. And they're like, no, give me,

1357
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: like we're gonna that's wrong, won't get the answer wrong.

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, that took two minutes the way you're talking

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01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: about it's going to take. And I don't even know

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: how you got to it. I would just a whole

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: piece of paper. I need to I need to go

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: sit in the math class because I would love to

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01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: see this new man. They have strategies, strategy, there's no

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: way that it's changed that much. And well maybe not

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: for you. Nine was that was seventeen. It's possible that

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: hasn't changed that much for you. Maybe you were taught

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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. This is and I've never used

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: any of it. Upset, it's brutal. Just listen, just get

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01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: your phone. You're typing in on your phone and that's

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: also that's the problem though, that you're having is is

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: for all of these kids on anything. They just asked

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Speaker 1: Syria asked Alexa, So like you, that's cheaty it is,

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01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: but like, how do you what do you really need

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: to know? We're dumber than we've ever been because of

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01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: these stupid things. Nobody knows anything. What if the phone

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01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: didn't work? You have to figure it out, you do.

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: But are we to be able to borrow mom and

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01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: Dad's phone? Yeah? But and nowadays that when you go

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: to school now they let the kids walk around with

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: the phones, so they don't wear our kids. They like,

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01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: you can't take them into the classroom. You can dig

1382
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: into the school, but you can't get them into the classroom.

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01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: But they should do something. To me, they should do

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: something where you check it into the beginning of the

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: day and check it out at the end. There's no

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01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: reason to have it. It's a distraction. How could it

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: not be ridiculous? The kids are not equipped for it.

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01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just jealous. No, you're not. You're not. I

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: see my kids. It's no dude. You wouldn't have liked

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: to have your phone. Would have been a horrible idea.

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't think anybody at that

1392
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: age is equipped for the amount of information that's on

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: that thing, how to process it, what it means, Like

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01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: they think I have My oldest has one, and so

1395
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: I went through and like, you know, did all the

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: safe stuff, and you still end up with stuff that dad,

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01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: what about this? Oh God, I forgot about that app

1398
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: Like I mean how much it never ends and are

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: not able to process. Get him the fireflyer phone like

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: everybody else. Hand Get him a flip phone. Start he

1401
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: had one of those. He had one of those and

1402
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: was mocked, mocked, openly mocked. Do you tell him your

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: by phone do everything your phone could do? They get called.

1404
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: The biggest disappointment was he was doing stuff unlike his iPad.

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: And then when he finally did get the phone, he's like, well, Dad,

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01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: this is the same stuff my iPad does. I'm like, yeah,

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: I know, tell me about it. It's the same stuff,

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: same stuff. Buddy, the Great Bill Bender will join us.

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Speaker 1: national writer for the Sporting News. Great friend Bill Bender

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Speaker 1: joining us. Bill, thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with with in his Super Bowl week. Um,

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Speaker 1: these two teams, it's amazing in terms of what they accomplished.

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01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: There almost mirrors of each other in terms of record points,

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01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: scored their routes to get to this point, and yet

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: they go about it in very very different ways. What story?

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: What are you most looking forward to? Is this week

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: plays out as we prepare for the Eagles and the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs on Sunday. But I'm sure they're gonna talk about

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes Bank a little bit, right, So we'll see

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: how he comes out. Uh, you know, if he what

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of playmaker he's gonna be. And not so much

1431
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: the throws because he can do that, but can he

1432
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: move side to side extent play is against the Philadelphia

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01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: pass rush and then on the other side Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a story, and what a story for

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, the former mount Union player and kind of

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: Zack Jackson did a nice job digging into his history there. So, Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good storylines that ought to be

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: a really good game Bill. When I look at this

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01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: Eagles team, like some people think that the Eagles haven't

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01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: played anybody to get to this point, and this will

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: be their first test. What um matchups are you looking

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: for that Kansas City can take advantage of the Eagles

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: with in the Super Bowl? I mean, who's gonna cover

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey? Can anybody cover Travis Kelsey? I mean in

1445
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: these first two Cloud games, he's made so many big catches,

1446
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: and you know, for the Philadelphia pass rush, all those guys.

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: I think for the Chiefs, the key is who's gonna

1448
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: get a hat on Hassan Reddick. I mean, I don't

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: care who they were playing. They were playing the Giants

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: in the forty Niners. Those are NFL teams, and Hassan

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01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: Reddick was an absolute game record in both of those games.

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's gonna be another key in this game.

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing is who wins third down?

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: These are the two best teams on third down, and

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01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: then a lot of that is with the quarterbacks. And

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01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: you know that's you always here coaches talking about the

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01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: money down. I hate to oversimplify the game, but whoever

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: wins those third and longs, it's probably gonna win this game.

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned um you think of the big

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Speaker 1: storylines of this you mentioned Mahomes. One thing, if you

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: follow out of college football like like you and I do,

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01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: and and certainly Tivis does as well, the Jalen Hurt

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: story is one that is wildly fascinating and incredibly unique.

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01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: And Saban shared over the weekend that Jalen's preference was

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: to go to Miami or Maryland, and Saban really pushed

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: him to Oklahoma. And Jalen will be able to corroborate

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: that or not this week at some point. I'm guessing

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: it's asked. And the reason for that was, Hey, go

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01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: to the place with the best quarterback coach, and he did,

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Speaker 1: and he went to a place for quarterback finishing school,

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Speaker 1: as you and I remember. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: NFL fans who don't follow a football closely remember when

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: he transferred out of Alabama. I mean he was he

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01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: was benched at halftime of the National Championship game, came

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: back his junior year, and then coming out of his

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: junior year, was basically said, you might have to play

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: safety or another position because I don't know if you

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: can play quarterback, and then he went to Oklahoma and

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: became the number two pick in the Heisman, and then

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: all of this has followed. This story, Bill, is a

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: stunning example of perseverance, stick tuitedness and and following the

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: right path to get to the it's so improbable, Bill,

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: It's it's one heck of an arc. And I was

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: at the game where he was benched at halftime and

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: he was not having a good game. And and the

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01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: remarkable part about revisionist history is her people. Now, I

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: was on a station down in Alabama a couple of

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: weeks ago that we're questioning that decision even though Alabama

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: won the game, And I'm like, what are you talking about?

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01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: Because I mean and it is a remarkable beat for

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts to do what he did in Oklahoma, to

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: go to Philadelphia to answer the typical stereotypical criticisms of

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01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: should he play receiver in the NFL when he said

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01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: I'm a quarterback. He's gone out and backed it up.

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: It's been a phenomenal year for him this year. Bill.

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: It's been a while. I don't know if ever has

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: been a three peet in college. And you know that

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01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: George's losing steps and been it. You know, they're offensive

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: coordinator is flirting with the NFL. Can they still get

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: it done and find a way to to pull it

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: three pet next season? No, I mean they're gonna be good,

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: and I mean it starts a quarterback though. And the

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: funny thing is and Bo and I always and I've

1504
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: talked to you about this down in Columbus a lot

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: that the three teams that are built from a talent

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: perspective to win the national championship on every single year,

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01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: and that's Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State. All three of them

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: will be breaking in a new quarterback next year. So

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: that adds to the intrigue for me because you could

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: miss theoretically Georgia was able to do it with probably

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: the least dynamic NFL quarterback. But still you gotta get

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: us invent a credit for all the things he did

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: the last two years. So they have a serious question

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01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: there in Alabama and Ohio State do because they're replacing

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be expected to be franchise

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the next level. You know, Bill one thing

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: are the I mean, obviously we're we do predominantly Brown's here,

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: but there's a ton of Buckeye crossover. And one thing

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01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: that I thought was really interesting this week coming off

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 1: of National Signing Day was um kind of the comments

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: from Ryan Day and even more specifically Mark Pantoni, who's

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: their director of recruiting and basically their general manager, and

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: some of the comments they made is is, hey, we're

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: we are not going to if your interest is inn

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01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: i L as an inducement for signing, We're gonna move

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01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: off of that. And Pantoni went on to say that, hey,

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna recruit maybe more regionally, and we're gonna stay

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: a little more local here for the time being. It

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: feels to me Bill like Ohio State is trying to

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: thread a nearly impossible needle where they compete with Alabama

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: and George at the very top of the sport while

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: also not being all in on n I L the

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: way some of those southern schools are. Can a Buckeye

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: Nation be happy just beating Michigan again and went in

1535
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: the Big ten is that it feels like they're trying

1536
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: to like kind of be on a treadmill for a

1537
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: little bit until there's guardrails on the sport. To me, well,

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: that's a dangerous game because they were able to win

1539
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 1: national championship. Would Jim trustle with that philosophy? You know?

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: I think they had mostly Ohio kids and a couple,

1541
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, five stars from around the country. And then

1542
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: urban Meyer changed that with the way he recruited. He

1543
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: turned Ohio State into basically an SEC recruiting school. Now

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01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: they were brought in and I think the criticism in

1545
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: recent years though, has been for the Ohio kids, the

1546
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: kids that grew up in their living room with the

1547
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: Buckeyes on every single Saturday. So I think you got

1548
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: to try to find that balance. And at the same time, yes,

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01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: you're going to have to pay a lot in n

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: i L in the near future because those other schools

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01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: down south they're not stopping anytime. Then. Well, and the

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: other thing is, and this has been a big topic

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, is the n i

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01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: L collectives down there. Um, it's it's not really it's

1555
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: hard to figure out if you're a fan and you're saying, Hey,

1556
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: I need you to sign a Netflix subscription for fifty

1557
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: bucks a month to contribute to this collective so that

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: we can fund players and fans are going to wait

1559
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: a second. I've already done that. I bought the tickets,

1560
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: I buy the sweatshirts. I support you in every way.

1561
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: Why are you coming to me for money? And the

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: reality is it's because the collectives in the athletic department

1563
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: are both asking the same people for the same money.

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: And it feels like trust is a real problem in

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: Columbus at the moment. And it's not just there, but

1566
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: that's the one that we care about most. But I

1567
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: do think that there's a pretty big disconnect right now

1568
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: going in terms of where the sport is and where

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State wants to be in it. I don't think

1570
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: fans should have to do that though, right if you

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: pay for season tickets and then they're asking you for

1572
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: something extra like that's the one thing with these collectives

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: and n I L that doesn't sit well with me.

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01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: And I thought the intent of this rule was and

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: I always use the the example of you know Riker,

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: for example, down in Columbus. If you want to go

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: do a commercial for the local dealership and get paid

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01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: for that and get in I L appearance money for that,

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,440
Speaker 1: that's awesome. The way we're doing it now, just it's

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: it's like a non guaranteed NFL contract, and it just

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01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's right, especially when you're reading these

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: stories like about Jadon Rashata where ideal and I L

1583
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: deals aren't coming through. That's not good for the sport. Yeah,

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01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that one. Let me take

1585
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: you to Nord of Dame. You know, nor to Dame

1586
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: lost their offensive coordinator to Alabama, which everybody pretty much

1587
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: can understand why everybody that's been office coordinator for Alabama

1588
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: has moved on to be a head coach or went

1589
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Who do you expect Marcus Freeman to

1590
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: find because they did just get what Sam Hartman I

1591
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: think his name is from? Um where's he even waiting force?

1592
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: So who do you think he's who? You think he's

1593
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: going out there to get to replace him as OC

1594
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 1: of somebody that can maximize Sam Hartman and that quarterback

1595
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: talent because he's an experienced player. Why they open passing game.

1596
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't know that Notre Dame is gonna change everything

1597
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: that they do, but I mean one of the things

1598
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Reaves was able to accomplish, certainly after the Ohio

1599
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: State nearly start with lasses to the Buckeyes and Marshall.

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01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: They had a nice balance of a running game and

1601
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: Drew Pine became pretty efficient there. Drew Pine isn't a

1602
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: superstar quarterbacks, they made him look pretty good. Um. So yeah,

1603
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: I think it's whoever can maximize Hartman and it'll be

1604
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: interesting to see. And as for Tommy Reaves, I mean

1605
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: that he's had a lot of successful coordinators. But it

1606
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: doesn't last very long, right, I mean there's a shelf

1607
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: life of how long does Alabama offensive coordinators laugh? Not

1608
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: long is the answer to it. And either you hit

1609
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: big and you're the coach at Old Miss or Texas,

1610
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: or you don't and you're uh. Next thing, you know,

1611
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: you're driving Sabans car to get it washed, because we've

1612
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: seen that from those guys too. Let me get you

1613
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: out of here on this one. What is your favorite

1614
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: thing about Super Bowl Sunday? What do you look forward

1615
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: to the most every year when it comes around, aside

1616
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: from the game. You know, I was talking about this

1617
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: in Columbus this morning and my family was very much

1618
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: into Super Bowl squares. There was a tradition I never

1619
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: I have never won in my life, but every year,

1620
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: you know, you throw a couple of bucks in and

1621
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: you and I are in that youth sports life where

1622
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: you're raising funds and all those kind of things through

1623
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: your team. I play them every year. I never win.

1624
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: My kids are getting into it and they never win.

1625
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the family tradition. I always enjoyed looking

1626
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: at the numbers and seeing who will win. Yeah, it's

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: it's it's always great. By the way, Like, just make

1628
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: Monday the holiday, right, We've got to sort that out.

1629
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that you gotta work the day after the

1630
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Like that's too easy. I agree that should

1631
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: the kids are off school today down here, so I

1632
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: was hoping they would be off next Monday instead. Yeah,

1633
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: that's the way to handle that. Bill, always good talking Anyboddy,

1634
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Thanks so much. All right, that's

1635
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: our buddy, Bill Bender The Sporting News joining us on

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01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,280
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1638
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: Keep it Twisted Cleveland. Still so much more to come,

1639
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: a couple. We gotta get your super Bowl prediction out

1640
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: of Mr Powell. We get some news out of the NFL,

1641
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: A retirement and a destination for Tom Brady, that's all

1642
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: coming up next. She listen to Cleveland Browns Daily brought

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Speaker 1: you by ballely Bet, Coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: all right, welcome back to Clevean Brons Daily brought you

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Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland. A couple of newsmakers this afternoon around the

1649
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: National Football League, Tom Brady saying on Colin Cowherds Show

1650
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,919
Speaker 1: that he will not join the Fox broadcast until four,

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: so he will take all of next year off and

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01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: then join. Um, that's good for him to prepare. My

1653
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: read on that is, I don't know if he'll ever

1654
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: be like number one broadcast guy. Really, I'm wondering if

1655
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 1: he's looking for something more in line of what Manning does,

1656
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: like a Omaha productions, like Manning cast. I could see

1657
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: him in that row for sure. Yeah, you really think

1658
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: he wants to grind like Tony Romo's don't want to

1659
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: do it. Tony Romo was here and now he's going

1660
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: down because he's not preparing. So it's it's almost you

1661
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: gotta prepare harder doing that than preparing for a game.

1662
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, Manning's just half fun with it. I mean,

1663
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: you just invite people over. Well, I love him, but

1664
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 1: I think I mean, they do tell the same stories

1665
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: over and over and I do enjoy it though, But

1666
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: I do wonder if if they'll rethink all of this,

1667
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know that anybody thought he would be back,

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: that he would sit out a whole another year, how

1669
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: like three seventy over ten. But you have to remember

1670
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: it's also what Fox is paying for, is the association

1671
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: they're paying for when their network does the upfronts with

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01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: their average people they want to do business with. Tom

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01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: Brady's there to shake hands. If you're Tom Brady, why

1674
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: not come up with the exact same model the Mannings

1675
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: are doing, but just for Fox platforms. He could that

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01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: You could absolutely do that. You get with two buddies,

1677
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: and him and Gronk could do it exactly the same thing.

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01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: That would say, they just do that as an alternate

1679
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: for the Fox Game of the Week, keV Olsen and

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Speaker 1: whatever do the other thing, and then him and Gronk

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Speaker 1: do that. He could do some documentary stuff with him

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Speaker 1: if he wants to. Yeah, he's not bound by anything.

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Speaker 1: And I think the year off to me. That's the

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Speaker 1: first thing I read into it was he might not

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Speaker 1: want to be number one game day analysts all the time,

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Speaker 1: be my guess. The other news of the day a J.

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Speaker 1: Green officially retiring, the former Bengals Great Georgia Bulldog receiver

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Speaker 1: retiring officially. Day finished his career in Arizona. He was

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Speaker 1: a problem he was coming into the league. He was

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Speaker 1: a problem. He was so skinny. I remember he was

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Speaker 1: like he got to take on a lot of protein shakes.

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Speaker 1: And he ended up having an amazing career obviously with Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Last year with the Arizona he had a couple of moments.

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Speaker 1: I think he had a game winning touchdown against somebody

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Speaker 1: could have been remember, but yeah, him and um he

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Speaker 1: was in the same draft class as Julio Jones. Uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty good class. They they were by products of Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: So Randy Randy Moss was the first guy that was

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Speaker 1: six four that was fast that they kept him out wide. Normally,

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Speaker 1: if you find a six four frame on a kid

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01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: in high school, you put weight on him and make

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Speaker 1: him a tight end. To defensive end. Randy was the

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Speaker 1: first one that went out wide stayed fast. And what

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Speaker 1: I saw when I was in the South at that

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Speaker 1: time is those type of kids were influenced by Randy

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Speaker 1: and you started to see six four receive ever six

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Speaker 1: five receivers and there was a flood of them for

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Speaker 1: a decade that were those type of guys. And then

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Speaker 1: what happened was they found guys like you and they

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Speaker 1: said you're gonna play corner. Shout because we need people

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Speaker 1: who can cover those guys. That was that was the

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Speaker 1: thing that Crimarti was that Antonio Carmarti was six three

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Speaker 1: and the head coach of Tallahassee Lincoln told Crimarti Crimarti

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Speaker 1: played receiver, and the coach of Taalastie Lincoln says, not

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Speaker 1: with those hips, you need to play corner because they

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Speaker 1: will pay you to cover the big receivers. And so

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Speaker 1: that's how that happened. And now look we got what

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Speaker 1: a j green for us is big Martin Emerson is tall. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so that's all of that is. I always think

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Speaker 1: of that as like the Randy Boss influence. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a hell of an influence, all right. You got two

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Speaker 1: picks for US free agency. Go ahead, free agency picks

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Speaker 1: I'm going with I'm a little biased because they played

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State, but they are productive in the league.

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Speaker 1: Draymond Jones defensive tackle. Really young guy from Cleveland, went

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Speaker 1: to Naceous, so obviously he'll he'll mean a lot more

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Speaker 1: to him. He'll want to come here, and he's been

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Speaker 1: effective this last season. And Paris Campbell, God, that's the

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Speaker 1: speedy guy. He's battled injuries throughout his career, but last

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Speaker 1: season was the first year he played seventeen games. Very productive.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback situation wasn't great, but still was productive there. And

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know with their four three

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Speaker 1: speed that he has. You throw him a little bubble

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01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: or something like that, he can get you six seven

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Speaker 1: eight yards. Every time people see Paris's size and they forget.

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Speaker 1: Did he win state championship in the hurdle? Yes, he did?

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Speaker 1: He he might It was sprints because hurdles was Denzel Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he went like the two at the state tournament

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Speaker 1: State track. If that's not did then it flipped whatever.

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Speaker 1: He didn't win Denzel one. Yeah, they were both in

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Speaker 1: that mix. Yeah, he got in the Super Bowl I'm

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Speaker 1: going in Philadelphia. I like Patty Mahomes, but I just

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01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: think Philly is they got too much. It's too much.

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Speaker 1: They don't have no flaws to me, They've never had

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Speaker 1: the chase, no, So we'll see if if they get

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01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 1: a like you know Philly, you know Casey can chase.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see if Philly can. They might not

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Speaker 1: have to though probably not, probably not have to if

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Speaker 1: they play the way. This was fun, Buddy, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it as always with you, Uncle Bo. Always

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Speaker 1: good to see my good friend time as Pal joining

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Speaker 1: us here on the program. The next level is coming

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Speaker 1: up next Saxe for list everybody. Cleveland Browns Daily brought

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