Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number three ninety six of the Marine
Speaker 1: Layer Podcast. We welcome on our friend and recurring guest,
Speaker 1: Peter Apple of Just Baseball. We talk about the start
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty six Mariners season, what the Mariner
Speaker 1: should do with the rotation going forward, and a whole
Speaker 1: lot more. We'll also react to the Mariners splitting the
Speaker 1: first two games in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of The Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday evening, April twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Let me know if you've heard this one before.
Speaker 1: Lyle Mariners lose to left handed pitcher, Mariners beat right
Speaker 1: handed pitcher.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't logics say the other it should have happened the
Speaker 2: other way around, because it should have, despite the Mariners
Speaker 2: struggling against lefties all year so far. You lose and
Speaker 2: get in a way carved up by a dude making
Speaker 2: a second ever big league star who's not some blue
Speaker 2: chip prospect, and then you beat Joe Ryan. Dude, Baseball
Speaker 2: is so dumb in that way. Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It's dumb. There's no logic, but that's how it happens.
Speaker 1: The baseball gods have just not intended the Mariners to
Speaker 1: be good against left handed pitchers, no matter the stature,
Speaker 1: apparently just Matthew Libertor.
Speaker 2: But then you beat Joe Ryan, Yeah, because he's a righty,
Speaker 2: really really good righty.
Speaker 1: And they didn't even really beat Joe Ryan. They scored
Speaker 1: the two runs when he was out of the game, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They did. He is really tough to go against man,
Speaker 2: And if you want to know what it looks like
Speaker 2: for the opposition to go up against Brian Wu. I
Speaker 2: think it's pretty similar when the Mariners have to see
Speaker 2: Joe Ryan or other teams have to see Joe Ryan,
Speaker 2: because that same low slot, it's the same high rise
Speaker 2: on the fastball. If you want to sound smart with
Speaker 2: your baseball friends, what they call it inside baseball clubhouses
Speaker 2: is upshoot. When you have the fastball rise, they call
Speaker 2: it the upshoot fastball. They say the rises upshoot. But yes,
Speaker 2: Joe Ryant's really hard to go against, and then he's
Speaker 2: got secondaries that are just nuts. But the Mariners, you
Speaker 2: know what, they scratched enough across against them to then
Speaker 2: get to the bullpen and hammer the bullpen.
Speaker 1: And it was amazing to see from the bullpen. We
Speaker 1: saw a number of things like late in this game.
Speaker 1: Number one, for the seemingly the first time this season,
Speaker 1: we saw Dan leave Luke Rayley inst to lefty. The
Speaker 1: Twins brought a lefty in specifically against Luke Rayley, and
Speaker 1: Dan left him in the game. Luke Rayley didn't do
Speaker 1: any damage because Luke can't really hit lefties, but the
Speaker 1: Mariner still ended up scoring and then Raley came around
Speaker 1: again in the lineup later in the game and hit
Speaker 1: against the righty.
Speaker 3: So this is an example right here.
Speaker 1: While it didn't like work out in that specific a
Speaker 1: bat for Luke Rayley, he did get an opportunity an
Speaker 1: inning later against a righty in a situation with runners on.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately he just struck out in that opportunity evolution.
Speaker 2: Perhaps has Dan been radicalized next on Undisputed.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a great question. I hope someone asked
Speaker 3: him about it tomorrow. We'll see.
Speaker 2: That'd be great, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: The funny thing about that whole inning, though they put
Speaker 1: a lefty in to face Luke Rayley, Raley doesn't get
Speaker 1: the job done. Dan pinch hits Mitch Garver for Canzone
Speaker 1: who's sitting right after Rayley, and then left Hee cole
Speaker 1: Young comes up and gets the go ahead hit left
Speaker 1: on left.
Speaker 2: But that's just been cole Young's mo o all year.
Speaker 2: He had no problems against lefties. He's destroyed lefties so far.
Speaker 1: Dude's become the most platoon safe player on the whole roster.
Speaker 2: Again, we thought cole Jong was gonna take a jump
Speaker 2: this year, and he absolutely has. But He is doing
Speaker 2: things among his own game that I don't think we
Speaker 2: had on our Bingo card. I don't think most people
Speaker 2: had on our Bingo card. I don't think we had
Speaker 2: him being one of the best defenders in baseball. I
Speaker 2: don't think we had him crushing lefties. I don't think
Speaker 2: we had him being a better platoon bat than half
Speaker 2: the roster, or a better platoon safe bat than half
Speaker 2: the roster. It's been great. Cole Young's been awesome. He
Speaker 2: doesn't need some right hander to come in for him
Speaker 2: on days and hit lefties. He's doing it all himself.
Speaker 1: Makes a lot easier because if that was the case, Loud,
Speaker 1: this roster would be in a tough, tough, tough place.
Speaker 1: But instead Colon had three hits tonight. He's doing everything
Speaker 1: you would want as a second baseman, walking any enough,
Speaker 1: hitting for enough average, playing sparkling defense, and producing against
Speaker 1: both lefties and righties. It's for a twenty two year old, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of Cole Young, did you see
Speaker 1: that image they put on the screen today?
Speaker 2: Uh huh, dude.
Speaker 1: I have never I still consider myself young at this point.
Speaker 1: I have never felt more old watching that they had.
Speaker 1: If you weren't watching the game today. They had the
Speaker 1: Pitch Hit and Run MLB's pitch Hit and Run before
Speaker 1: the All Star Game in twenty fourteen at Target Field,
Speaker 1: a game that Felix started, by the way, that everyone remembers.
Speaker 1: They had video of Cole Young at that event hitting
Speaker 1: in the box and he looks he's a fucking child,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is the first time I actually
Speaker 1: feel old.
Speaker 2: So Cole would have been what you got twelve? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's track twelve years da, he was ten, dude, I
Speaker 2: remember twenty fourteen pretty well. That was the year they
Speaker 2: signed Robbie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I was young then too, but like
Speaker 1: I clearly remember the game. Robinson Cano made the All
Speaker 1: Star Game for the Maritors. Felix started. The Maritors played
Speaker 1: really well that you're Kyle Seger made that All Star
Speaker 1: Game as well. Oh, there was crystal clear in my mind.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Cole Young is out there as like a top
Speaker 1: like a borderline toddler.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that Jeter's last year? Was that his last All
Speaker 2: Star game?
Speaker 1: Because when when Wayne Wright grewed him a fastball right
Speaker 1: down the middle so he could get a base hit.
Speaker 2: And he said he did it on purpose too, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm remembering. Yeah, so it was that All
Speaker 2: Star Game, which clearly you and I are recalling with
Speaker 2: no issues Cole Young's ten in that that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now, to be fair in our defense, that All Star
Speaker 1: Game was probably one of the five best Mariners moments
Speaker 1: of the twenty tens.
Speaker 2: So why because Felix started?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Felix started, and you had a shiny star
Speaker 1: toy hitting in the middle of the lineup and Robinson Cano.
Speaker 1: Because the Mariners in the twenty tents really didn't do
Speaker 1: anything else, So that was that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I mean, what were the moments if you're gonna thankhm
Speaker 2: Ount Rushmore signing, Robbie signing, Nelson Cruz, Felix in the
Speaker 2: All Star Game and Game one sixty one of twenty fourteen. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean there was also the twenty eighteen All Star
Speaker 2: Game where Gene Segura hit the homer late and it
Speaker 2: seemed like he was gonna win MVP of the All
Speaker 2: Star Game and Nelly freaked out and Mareni's fans were
Speaker 2: loving it, and then Eddie blew it. Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Up there too.
Speaker 1: But I think the twenty fourteen game is remembered a
Speaker 1: little bit more positively because they didn't blow it and
Speaker 1: Felix didn't give up a home run to Scooter Jeannett,
Speaker 1: So yeah, no he did not.
Speaker 3: But anyway, seeing that.
Speaker 1: Video of Cole Young, I mean, I've never felt old
Speaker 1: until today.
Speaker 3: Now I feel old.
Speaker 2: How about that? Amazing? Incredible? H Well, I'm glad they
Speaker 2: find a way. They found a way to split these
Speaker 2: first couple of games, cuz you don't want to lose
Speaker 2: all that momentum after getting a sweep. Now, at the
Speaker 2: very least, even if they lose on Wednesday, and I
Speaker 2: hope they find a way to win, but you at
Speaker 2: least have won four of six on this road trip,
Speaker 2: and one way or another, you can come home feeling
Speaker 2: pretty damn good. I would, I said at the start,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him go five and one against
Speaker 2: these two teams, because these two teams have not are
Speaker 2: not world beaters.
Speaker 3: We know that.
Speaker 2: You guys all listening know that. So five and one
Speaker 2: would be great, But you can't complain about a four
Speaker 2: and two road trip. So they have a four and
Speaker 2: two road trip. Yeah, great, especially.
Speaker 1: Given the road performance before and on the mailbag last week,
Speaker 1: we said four and two would be great. Well, you
Speaker 1: said four and two, you win both the series. You
Speaker 1: said four and two, I said five to one.
Speaker 3: Well, the standard was on the floor. Hopefully they win.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they win tomorrow and it's five and one, because
Speaker 1: then everyone will feel a whole lot better. The vibes
Speaker 1: couldn't have felt worse if we'd hypothetically recorded this podcast
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Lives are terrible on Monday Night. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna get to here before
Speaker 1: we get into the conversation with Peter we Are.
Speaker 2: I will say one thing before we get into Monday's conversation.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen our guy yet. We haven't seen Topa.
Speaker 3: No. Is he healthy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's on the roster, he's healthy. But
Speaker 2: he hasn't pitched because.
Speaker 1: You've had two different situations. You had a close scheme today,
Speaker 1: you had to blow out yesterday. I would assume that
Speaker 1: just means he's gonna pitch tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, we've talked about it before. I think we've
Speaker 2: talked about it in past Twins series since he's been
Speaker 2: a part of that team. I love justin Topa man,
Speaker 2: and I say I mean this podcast, he's We've talked
Speaker 2: about a lot of dudes in the bucket of one
Speaker 2: of the nicest guys in baseball. Topa's in that bucket,
Speaker 2: the man, one.
Speaker 1: Of the first podcast guests that we ever had, always
Speaker 1: great to interact with.
Speaker 3: At the ballpark. Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 2: He's a huge card collector. He's just a big baseball
Speaker 2: fan and a big sports fan. Yeah, Topa's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the guys that you were truly
Speaker 1: bummed when he gets traded off the roster.
Speaker 2: Right when Polonco got traded for a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: we were hyped. We didn't know what was coming back
Speaker 2: in the trade, so at first we're just all fired
Speaker 2: up to get Polanco and then when we saw it
Speaker 2: was Topa back, we were genuinely sad, really sad. Like
Speaker 2: we said, it was the right trade, but we were sad.
Speaker 1: Hopefully again, hopefully he is able to string together a full,
Speaker 1: healthy season and show the world what he can do again,
Speaker 1: because he did that in twenty three as a Mariner.
Speaker 1: Since then, it's not been as smooth sailing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was solid last year. He wasn't
Speaker 2: the same as he was in twenty three by any stretch.
Speaker 2: But he put up a three ninety ERA last year
Speaker 2: at three nine zero and then at a fifth of
Speaker 2: three to oh four. He was he was a contributor
Speaker 2: last year, but yes, he was not like twenty three.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: You know what, what's funny, Lyle, he leads the league
Speaker 1: in appearances this year.
Speaker 2: Oh so, then he must have just gotten a couple
Speaker 2: of days off.
Speaker 1: He'll probably put must have Yeah, he must have just
Speaker 1: pitched over the weekend. Yeah, he's appeared in sixteen games
Speaker 1: so far this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, good for Topain. Love the guy. I'm glad
Speaker 2: he's healthy. Glad he's staying on the field. I'm glad
Speaker 2: he's pitching. Well, it's good. Yeah, it's awesome for him.
Speaker 2: Monday's storyline and it's the biggest story in Mariner's land
Speaker 2: right now. We get into a bunch of it with Peter,
Speaker 2: so we won't spend a ton of time on it,
Speaker 2: but we wanted to just dive into it for a
Speaker 2: couple minutes before we get to our conversation with Peter.
Speaker 2: What are they gonna do about this rotation? Man? Bryce
Speaker 2: Miller's on the doorstep of coming back. It's gonna happen
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks here and every time
Speaker 2: through the rotation, the conversation grows louder and louder and
Speaker 2: louder about what you're gonna do with Louis Castillo versus
Speaker 2: Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 1: Lucky for us, I guess, and for the Mariners. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a discussion point amongst all the talking heads.
Speaker 1: It's not just us, it's not just the podcasts, it's
Speaker 1: not just you know, reactionary stuff. Everyone is talking about
Speaker 1: what you're doing with Louis Castilla, and Louis if he
Speaker 1: has more of the starts like he had on Monday,
Speaker 1: it's a really easy decision because the Louis Castill we
Speaker 1: saw on Monday night was a shell of the best
Speaker 1: version of Louis Castillo we've seen. It had already been
Speaker 1: trending down. But when Luis is averaging under ninety four
Speaker 1: miles an hour in his fastball for an entire night,
Speaker 1: that's not Louise Castile. You talked about it on Brocketsoft
Speaker 1: this morning. Not He had been losing some of the
Speaker 1: feel on his off speed pitches and his breaking balls
Speaker 1: for a while now, but he's always had his fastball.
Speaker 1: When you're averaging under ninety four miles an hour for
Speaker 1: your fastball, it just it just screams, this is not
Speaker 1: you. You can't be as effective if you're not throwing the
Speaker 1: baseball hard. And Louis showed that yesterday, right and he
Speaker 1: got knocked around and the Twins scored seven runs and
Speaker 1: it just did not look good. And you're Goldie saying
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, Louis Castillo got through five, did not
Speaker 1: have a good night. I don't know how else you
Speaker 1: can say it. And if he's you know, if he's
Speaker 1: running out a couple other starts like that, I mean
Speaker 1: it's pretty it'd be a pretty easy Hey, you're hitting
Speaker 1: the al with arm fatigue.
Speaker 2: I mean you could spin at how Dan spun it
Speaker 2: in the post game where he's like, well, I like
Speaker 2: the way Luis Castillo battled back in the fifth inning.
Speaker 2: That was legitimately what he said postgame Monday. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: he got shelled. I don't think there's much battling back
Speaker 2: in the fifth inning, Like.
Speaker 1: He finished five innings when our bullpen was spent, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he he had to wear it. If this is a
Speaker 1: different situation where the bullpen was fully rested. I mean
Speaker 1: Castillo could have been out there at her in the
Speaker 1: fourth inning or the third.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Dan's not gonna give anybody much in any of
Speaker 2: these pregame or postgame sessions. He never ever, ever does.
Speaker 2: So let us just do our own postgame press conference
Speaker 2: and put a quote out for you, Luis Castile was
Speaker 2: not good on Monday, didn't have it, stuff was bad,
Speaker 2: got knocked around. Dan's not gonna say that, but we'll
Speaker 2: say it.
Speaker 3: The conversation. I don't know if it's changed that much.
Speaker 1: It just sort of reassures what people think about this situation.
Speaker 1: It's it's probably convincing me a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: was a little bit. I was a little bit more
Speaker 1: hesitant of the two of us of making this kind
Speaker 1: of decision. But I don't know how you make anything
Speaker 1: else but like an Ile stint out of this, because
Speaker 1: again you don't. This is not something you could just
Speaker 1: undo if you make a decision to put him in
Speaker 1: the bullpen. It's not that easy. And Lois unlike an
Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock or a young pitcher, he has a lot
Speaker 1: more say in things. He makes a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Players gravitate towards him in the clubhouse, So you got
Speaker 1: to think about making a decision like that. You don't
Speaker 1: have to make much of a decision if you put
Speaker 1: him on the eel, because then he could just rest
Speaker 1: and the Mariners have can give themselves more time to
Speaker 1: think about what to do with this roster spot.
Speaker 2: It seems like the only viable option to me at
Speaker 2: this point. It seems like the most logical, and it
Speaker 2: seems like the viable one because we've talked about it already.
Speaker 2: Putting him in the bullpen right now is not a
Speaker 2: good idea because at some point you're probably going to
Speaker 2: need him to start more games this year. The unfortunate
Speaker 2: reality of baseball is injuries happen, and they happen in
Speaker 2: rotations a lot. And if that's the case, you need
Speaker 2: a long maybe not a long list of starters, but
Speaker 2: you need depth in your rotation of guys, either in
Speaker 2: the miners or guys that are six starters, guys that
Speaker 2: can go make a handful of starts throughout a year.
Speaker 2: That's what ever say Hancock was doing for the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. You need depth, and to put Louise
Speaker 2: Castillo in the bullpen right now might slash his ability
Speaker 2: to go start more games, because then he'd be working
Speaker 2: on a much shorter leash. He's not getting built up
Speaker 2: as much, he's not getting stretched out. It's a hard
Speaker 2: thing to go from rotation to bullpen back to rotation
Speaker 2: in the middle of the year. And it also would
Speaker 2: be a tough conversation to have with Luis already in
Speaker 2: late April early May and say, hey, you've got this
Speaker 2: year and next year left on your deal. You're owed
Speaker 2: twenty three million plus dollars each of the next two seasons,
Speaker 2: but you're going to the bullpen. It's a hard conversation
Speaker 2: to have with your clubhouse and with the player doing
Speaker 2: the phantomil stint really avoids all this. It buys you time.
Speaker 2: It can let Luis rest, let him work on a
Speaker 2: lot of things in the bullpen. If somebody else gets injured,
Speaker 2: you can slot him back in if he's ready, and
Speaker 2: if he's and and if nobody else gets injured, then
Speaker 2: you have some time to buy. You have a handful
Speaker 2: of weeks and in the middle of the summer you
Speaker 2: can figure this thing out. If by July you think
Speaker 2: you need to move him to the bullpen. That's a
Speaker 2: lot different than late April or May. But I think
Speaker 2: for now it is the most viable option. It makes
Speaker 2: the most sense in the world. The Mariners are not
Speaker 2: gonna say they're gonna fanom I lum A team can't
Speaker 2: do that, or they're gonna get penalized. But I think
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks you'll hear about Luis's
Speaker 2: latt's bugging them, or he's got his hammy that's barking,
Speaker 2: or he's got yeah, arm fatigue. They'll they'll put something
Speaker 2: out there for why he's got to go on the shelf.
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: We did talk about this a little bit with Peter
Speaker 1: as well, like he's not tradable really because of the contract,
Speaker 1: So people coming to us with that suggestion, it doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that is something that would happen
Speaker 1: given the amount of money he has owed and how
Speaker 1: he is performing. Could get surprised. But with the amount
Speaker 1: of money he's getting paid, the Mariners would have to
Speaker 1: either eat a lot of it or you would have
Speaker 1: to send prospects with him to get a team to
Speaker 1: take that kind of contract.
Speaker 2: And we can get into that a little more when
Speaker 2: we talked to Peter. Yeah, I will say. The one
Speaker 2: other thing I was going to mention is because I
Speaker 2: was curious about what's going on with Louise, and both
Speaker 2: of us were curious. We reach out to our friend
Speaker 2: Jason Churchill and we said, so what do you make
Speaker 2: of this? Because church was doing some tweeting about it
Speaker 2: the other night where he was saying, Louis stuff just
Speaker 2: looks way down. It just doesn't look the same. It's
Speaker 2: not effective. And we said, what do you think it is?
Speaker 2: Because church really knows ball, as you guys know, and
Speaker 2: he's pretty well connected, so I was curious what he
Speaker 2: was taking from all this, and he said, the fastball
Speaker 2: doesn't have the rise anymore. It doesn't have the upshoot
Speaker 2: that it once did. The slider is not breaking horizontally
Speaker 2: the way it once did. It's just across the board.
Speaker 2: The actual movement of the pitches and the effect of
Speaker 2: the pitch is just way down. And I take it
Speaker 2: forward for it again in Church of a smart guy.
Speaker 3: The one last thing I wanted to mention about Castio.
Speaker 3: I don't think we talk about this with Peter at all.
Speaker 1: So he's got a vesting option in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: and to hit that vesting option in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: he needs to.
Speaker 3: Throw one hundred and eighty innings. Mariagers are not gonna
Speaker 3: let him throw one hundred and eighty inings.
Speaker 2: No, No, they won't.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna manage that, whether he's
Speaker 1: in the rotation or the bullpen, or however that works out.
Speaker 1: Next year is gonna be a discussion in of itself.
Speaker 1: If you have Caid ready, you have all these starters,
Speaker 1: and then you have Louis Castillo who's not pitching, Well.
Speaker 2: Put in one more factor there. You got to put
Speaker 2: Ryan Sloan in there for twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Well, Ryan Sloane could be in the rotation at some
Speaker 1: point of twenty twenty seven, but not an opening day
Speaker 1: of twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean, it depends how the rest of his
Speaker 2: season goes. But I don't know how Luis Castillo factors
Speaker 2: into all that next year, because come next year, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have Logan, You're gonna Kirby, You're gonna have Wu,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have Bryce Miller, You're gonna have Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 2: That's five. Kate Anderson would be six. Ryan slowed is
Speaker 2: seven and then when our guy Logan Evans comes back
Speaker 2: from Tommy John if you want to talk about more
Speaker 2: starting pitcher depth, that's eight. And all those guys are
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot cheaper than Luis Castillo. I
Speaker 2: don't know where he factors in for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a very interesting conversation come this offseason.
Speaker 2: That's eight guys that are more cost control than Castillo is.
Speaker 1: I think the Mariners might have to trade I mean,
Speaker 1: they might try and trade Castillo, but they can also
Speaker 1: trade one of their other starters too.
Speaker 2: Thinks they're gonna get very interesting in the next calendar
Speaker 2: year because it's a very good problem to have, but
Speaker 2: you do have to solve problems eventually.
Speaker 1: We talk about this and a whole lot more with
Speaker 1: our friend Peter Apple. He knows his ball. If you're
Speaker 1: not listening to the Just Baseball Show, that's a great
Speaker 1: way to up your knowledge about the rest of Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball. They do a great job on their website,
Speaker 1: just baseball dot com, all the social media channels. They
Speaker 1: are great partners to us here at the Marine Layer Podcast.
Speaker 1: And it's been a bit since we've had Peter On,
Speaker 1: so it's good to get a new, fresh perspective from them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, I listened to The Just Baseball Show
Speaker 2: all the time. When I'm driving into Brock and Salt
Speaker 2: in the mornings or when I'm in the car, I'm
Speaker 2: usually listening to them because for as much baseball as
Speaker 2: we watch, it's hard to watch all thirty teams all
Speaker 2: the time, and I obviously want to be very very
Speaker 2: on top of what's going around the league, going on
Speaker 2: around the league constantly. Those guys, and we're not just
Speaker 2: saying this because we're partnered up with them. They do
Speaker 2: a just unbelievable job. They're fun, they're energetic. You're gonna
Speaker 2: hear a bunch of it from Peter during this interview.
Speaker 2: But they're informative, they know their stuff. They use they
Speaker 2: use new age metrics, they use old school metrics. They
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a perfectly well blended national baseball podcast,
Speaker 2: something that's very hard to find these days in the
Speaker 2: baseball space. I think there's not a ton of great
Speaker 2: ones out there, and they are one of them. And
Speaker 2: to have Peter on, it's a blast. Again. He's got opinions,
Speaker 2: he's got facts, he knows his stuff, he's got energy,
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Speaker 1: All Right, we got our friend Peter Apple on with us,
Speaker 1: co founder of Just Baseball and host of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball Show. You've probably seen his face on TikTok at
Speaker 1: some point. Peter, thanks for taking some time to join us.
Speaker 1: How are things in the Just Baseball world going great?
Speaker 3: Social media is on the rise, the website's doing well,
Speaker 3: the podcast has been a ton of fun, and we
Speaker 3: have you guys on the network. So how can things
Speaker 3: funds that?
Speaker 1: That's a good, great decision by you guys.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2: You guys are that we've kind of brought Have we
Speaker 2: not brought the credibility of Just Baseball down?
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, no, Jack does that. He's already
Speaker 3: brought it all the way down to the floor. So
Speaker 3: you guys are raising our floor if you can believe it.
Speaker 3: I know we ask you this every time you have
Speaker 3: it on. But how cool is it to just see
Speaker 3: the contain you'd growth of something you've like built on
Speaker 3: your own you and others have built up from nothing
Speaker 3: to being an incredibly successful media brand that you just
Speaker 3: get to talk about baseball.
Speaker 2: For a living.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the kind words it's weird because there's
Speaker 3: one part of my brain that doesn't want to pay
Speaker 3: attention to it at all, because it's almost like, get
Speaker 3: up and work every single day and don't worry about
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Don't let it get to your head.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, my mom told
Speaker 3: me this, like stop and smell the roses a little bit,
Speaker 3: and you know, to see the continued growth throughout everything
Speaker 3: that we do has been amazing, you know, And it's
Speaker 3: just it's so cool to see a thought that we
Speaker 3: had during COVID sprout into what it is now. Like
Speaker 3: if you told me four and a half five years
Speaker 3: ago that we'd be here, I told you you'd be crazy.
Speaker 3: Right when I was working for the Yankees and season
Speaker 3: ticket sales, trying to sell season tickets during a pandemic,
Speaker 3: calling people up and be like, are you gonna come
Speaker 3: out to the stadium next season? And they say, are
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a season? And I say, well, maybe
Speaker 3: you interested in selling seating tickets. It was rock bottom,
Speaker 3: it felt like for me. So to just have the
Speaker 3: idea when everyone was inside and then just kind of
Speaker 3: jump at it and to see where it is now,
Speaker 3: it's been really awesome.
Speaker 2: Is it ever crazy to think about the fact that
Speaker 2: your thoughts and jack and arms thoughts legitimately get sent
Speaker 2: in group chats around the country are senting your guys'
Speaker 2: discord chat. It's like, and it starts a conversation within
Speaker 2: random friend Groups's like, oh Peter said this and made
Speaker 2: this point, and that just gets people going, like does
Speaker 2: that ever resonate with you? Kind of?
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, that's that's like my dream. Like
Speaker 3: the reason I wanted to start this was because I
Speaker 3: really like talking baseball with people. That's really the crux of.
Speaker 2: What I want.
Speaker 3: So if I have a take and a conversation comes
Speaker 3: out of that, that's the best. Even if you disagree
Speaker 3: with me, right, because sports is kind of about disagreeing, Right,
Speaker 3: what are the biggest sports shows in the world one
Speaker 3: where you got one host disagreeing with another host? So
Speaker 3: the mean comments or anything like that. You know, you
Speaker 3: take it with the greatest salt, because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, we all have our own takes about baseball,
Speaker 3: So to see one of mine grow into something somewhere else,
Speaker 3: I think it's the coolest thing.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some talk about the Mariners, because that's
Speaker 1: why you're here, Peter. You're the third biggest Mariners fan
Speaker 1: on this podcast, behind Lala and I, so we have
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3: Okay, to start off here, let me let's do this.
Speaker 1: Can you give me a green flag and a red
Speaker 1: flag for what you see with the Mariners so far
Speaker 1: this season?
Speaker 3: A green flag or a red flag about the whole team?
Speaker 3: A green flag and a red flag. You can pick
Speaker 3: anything you want, Okay, I think a green flag would
Speaker 3: be how good the bullpen looks? And I think we
Speaker 3: knew that the bullpen would look good. And I know
Speaker 3: Munjos has not gotten off to the best start, but
Speaker 3: that actually makes me feel more bullish about the bullpen.
Speaker 3: Is that even come into the fifth inning? Right I'm
Speaker 3: looking at your guys's bullpen right now, I think you
Speaker 3: have like five arms with an ERA below two. Almost
Speaker 3: no team can say that and that's without Andris Munno's
Speaker 3: performing very well right now, so that would be probably
Speaker 3: my biggest green flag. And then how could you not
Speaker 3: say Cole Young as another green flag? I mean there's multiple,
Speaker 3: but Cole Young has been such a good story because
Speaker 3: going into the season, it almost felt like people were
Speaker 3: trying to skip him over for Colt Emerson. Right, Everyone's
Speaker 3: so excited about this next great Mariners player and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: he plays up the middle, and like Cole Young, maybe
Speaker 3: he'll do something, but we're really just excited to see
Speaker 3: cold Emerson. And then to see Cole Young step up
Speaker 3: like he has, I think is a huge green flag.
Speaker 3: In terms of the red flags, watching Josh Naylor take
Speaker 3: abs has been so disappointing because it's not just the production,
Speaker 3: it's almost like his energy in the box. Because where
Speaker 3: I fell in love with Josh Naylor was in Cleveland,
Speaker 3: where the energy, the fight, the competitiveness that he brings
Speaker 3: not only to the field but in the plate you
Speaker 3: can feel it. And I think it started in the
Speaker 3: WBC for Canada because we were watching a ton of
Speaker 3: World Baseball Classic and I was like, does this guy
Speaker 3: even care? That's how what he felt like, when I
Speaker 3: was watching these abs, the lack of aggressiveness, he'd roll
Speaker 3: over and not run the bases. I was just like,
Speaker 3: who is this player? This is a completely different guy.
Speaker 3: And then he's brought that into the Mariners season so far,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's not Josh Naylor. Like, I'm not
Speaker 3: surprising as a seventy one WRC plus I would. I
Speaker 3: think it's worse because when Josh Naylor has it electric.
Speaker 3: You guys saw it last year when you guys acquired him.
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, one of the most entertaining players.
Speaker 3: It felt like within a week Mariner's fans were like,
Speaker 3: we have to sign him. I don't care what it costs,
Speaker 3: because it's not just he had a one thirty WORC
Speaker 3: plus and he was a good hitter. He brought it.
Speaker 3: I haven't felt like he's brought it this year. That
Speaker 3: would be my biggest red flack.
Speaker 2: Peter.
Speaker 3: Do you know his other nickname that he has? His
Speaker 3: other nickname.
Speaker 1: Okay or it could be his main name. I don't
Speaker 1: know if to the general public. I know to Mariners
Speaker 1: fans it's his main nickname. I'm wondering to the general public,
Speaker 1: they know what it is. I don't think so, or
Speaker 1: at least I don't.
Speaker 3: I think Big Grumper is rubbing off on Peter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you guys even have a nickname for this, Yes,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, here we go. Now, I know I'm not
Speaker 3: crazy that I'm just like the oldly person on earth
Speaker 3: being like that is not Josh Naylor. That is not
Speaker 3: the Josh Naylor I've fell in love with. Even I'm
Speaker 3: a Yankee fan and he's rocking the baby Yankee fans
Speaker 3: are freaking out. I'm like, that's electric, that's electric. He's
Speaker 3: an electric player. He's not electric. He is the Big Grumper.
Speaker 2: So we got told that that got wielded out of
Speaker 2: him a little bit once he especially started to get
Speaker 2: close to free agency. I think I think somebody got
Speaker 2: in his ear a little bit about all the on
Speaker 2: field like public outbursts like that, because you didn't really
Speaker 2: ever see that in Arizona, and we certainly never saw
Speaker 2: it in the final two months or in the playoffs
Speaker 2: in Seattle. I think he's different now, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's that he doesn't care. I think he's just
Speaker 2: got a very unique aura that he brings to the field,
Speaker 2: and I can understand why it could rub some people
Speaker 2: the wrong way, but I think that, like, I think
Speaker 2: that's just how we've learned to intake Josh Naylor, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense. It's kind of how he is.
Speaker 3: I think you make, you know, a really good point there.
Speaker 3: But it's not just the antics. That's not what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. I'm even talking about on a pitch by
Speaker 3: pitch basis in the box, right, the just lack of aggressiveness,
Speaker 3: the passiveness. Right, I'm pretty sure his swing rate is down.
Speaker 3: He's chasing outside the zone of pitches that you wouldn't
Speaker 3: normally see him chasing at. And then his walk back
Speaker 3: to the dugout is kind of like, ugh, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it just.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel right when he grown see Grums.
Speaker 3: It's he's it's in in.
Speaker 1: Every facet of the game. Even last year when he's
Speaker 1: playing as well as possible, like there are moments you
Speaker 1: will catch him and it's it doesn't seem like he's
Speaker 1: having the most fun of all time on the baseball
Speaker 1: field and he's gonna you know, he was performing really
Speaker 1: well this year, you know, when the struggles come out,
Speaker 1: that's the question you ask when someone starts the season
Speaker 1: off really cold like, how do they respond to that?
Speaker 1: Is Josh Nailer's personality built out to respond to a
Speaker 1: really negative start to the season. I think still think
Speaker 1: we have a little bit to go to find out
Speaker 1: at least how it is in a Mariner's uniform. But
Speaker 1: I get how he could he could rub rub that
Speaker 1: to people.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy at all. Peter, and He's
Speaker 3: gonna catch fire, right, He's gonna be fine, Right, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about Josh Naylor the player. I just
Speaker 3: to answer your question about a red flag. That's the
Speaker 3: thing pissing me off about the Mariners when I turned
Speaker 3: them on late night because I love watching the Mariners.
Speaker 3: Who wouldn't look at this team? I ranked him as
Speaker 3: my number one power ranked team in the America going
Speaker 3: into the season. How could you not look at this rotation?
Speaker 3: Look at this bullpen, j Rod cal Right, go down
Speaker 3: the line, Randy's entertaining, you see Cole Young, Luke Rayley
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. They have so many good players, good manager,
Speaker 3: good front office, great GM. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: And to see twelve and fourteen and just like a
Speaker 3: lack of energy that's what upsets me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. So you helped answer one of the
Speaker 2: questions I already had down for you, which is, of
Speaker 2: the big three in the lineup of Cal Julio, Josh Naylor,
Speaker 2: were there any that really jumped out to you in
Speaker 2: a bit of a negative way when they started slow?
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you answered the question with Naylor.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this. Since the team is
Speaker 2: about twelve and fourteen as we're sitting here recording this,
Speaker 2: and the first month is coming to a close, when
Speaker 2: do you start to actually look at a team and say,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm worried or I'm totally buying in, Like
Speaker 2: if a team starts really hot for X amount of weeks,
Speaker 2: you're bought in. Or if a team starts really cold,
Speaker 2: especially one that I had expectations for X amount of weeks,
Speaker 2: you say this is a real problem. Is there a
Speaker 2: point in the year where you usually circle and say,
Speaker 2: all right, we got to take this seriously.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I can actually give you a
Speaker 3: real answer for that, because I think you know, you
Speaker 3: could say, well, you know, in the first month or anything,
Speaker 3: but things change. I run a betting model, right, you
Speaker 3: guys know me. I make bets, and basically with this model,
Speaker 3: I run my projections and then based off my projections,
Speaker 3: I make a bet. Right, So if I make a
Speaker 3: line minus one thirty or minus one fifty, I give
Speaker 3: a team a sixty percent chance of winning, and the
Speaker 3: betting line only is minus one twenty five fifty five percent.
Speaker 3: That's when I make a bet. I am still using
Speaker 3: preseason projections. I mold some current numbers in, but it's
Speaker 3: still like that. On May first, that's when I start
Speaker 3: to use real data that we've already gotten. It's not
Speaker 3: my first yet, so not even to this point have
Speaker 3: I really like stuck my foot in the ground. Now
Speaker 3: if things have continued, oh, I just hit my mic.
Speaker 3: If things have continued from last year, right, let's say
Speaker 3: you did. One team was terrible on the pitching side
Speaker 3: last year in the second half, didn't add much pitching,
Speaker 3: and then continues to perform poorly as a staff. That's
Speaker 3: something that we can hang on to. But the Mariners
Speaker 3: being twelve and fourteen, knowing that Julio starts slow every year,
Speaker 3: knowing that Cal Rawly caught a bunch of innings in
Speaker 3: the World Baseball Classic, played a full season. Last year
Speaker 3: it was such an incredible season and got off to
Speaker 3: a slow start. Am I worried, of course, not Josh Naylor.
Speaker 3: He's been pissing me off. Am I worried? No, Logan
Speaker 3: Gilbert's got an ERA over four and a half. Do
Speaker 3: I care?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, of course not. It's so early. He's rocking like
Speaker 3: a three sixty batting average on balls in play. But
Speaker 3: what I will say coming up, then we start to
Speaker 3: formulate opinions by the middle of May. That's start using
Speaker 3: MLB data. May first formulate opinions in the middle of May,
Speaker 3: and then we're off.
Speaker 1: I think last year changed this a lot for me,
Speaker 1: A good I think a good round date to go
Speaker 1: around as June first, exactly two months into the MLB season.
Speaker 1: You're a third of the way done. You have a
Speaker 1: pretty decent idea of what the team, at least the
Speaker 1: team that started this season is. And for the Mariners,
Speaker 1: like the first four months of the season told us
Speaker 1: exactly who they were. They had an MVP caliber player
Speaker 1: who should have won MVP in their lineup, and then
Speaker 1: the rest of the roster was essentially combined with the injuries,
Speaker 1: and the underperformance was a five hundred baseball team, and
Speaker 1: that's what they showed us the deadline. They were just
Speaker 1: about five hundred, but the team was completely different after
Speaker 1: the deadline because they added a bunch of players. So
Speaker 1: is the craziest thing that we're not going to know
Speaker 1: what this team is until August fifteenth?
Speaker 3: I think you could make that argument. Again, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: stand on my laurels, like I think that by May
Speaker 3: you have a pretty good idea. I'm not saying that, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the team, Like I kind of get what
Speaker 3: you mean. It'd be like, I really know who this
Speaker 3: is by June. But by May, at that point, you
Speaker 3: got what thirty thirty five games under your belt? We
Speaker 3: play one sixty two. It's a good portion right at
Speaker 3: that point, it's like week four of the NFL season
Speaker 3: where it's like, all right, I know who you are.
Speaker 3: And then during the month of May, that's when you
Speaker 3: formulate your opinions and by your date TJ. June first,
Speaker 3: that's when we know August fifteenth. I mean, then we're
Speaker 3: starting to get ready for the postseason. But you already
Speaker 3: have a huge record and you might have a change
Speaker 3: team because of deadline acquisitions. But again, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: back to it. I think by May we're starting to
Speaker 3: figure out some things.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's more like August fifteenth gives you a
Speaker 1: better idea of the team you have to finish the season,
Speaker 1: not the team you had to start the season, because
Speaker 1: those can those can be two totally different things, whether
Speaker 1: it be injuries or trades that I think we can
Speaker 1: agree on.
Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you guys? No?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: Are you on a trust tree here? And because you
Speaker 3: guys are my friends, I'm gonna ask you a friend question.
Speaker 3: Are you guys pushing back the date until June because
Speaker 3: the Mariners are not off to that grade of a start?
Speaker 3: Is that like, oh no, we can't. We can't have
Speaker 3: any takes about the Mariners until September eighth. I mean
Speaker 3: at some point, like let's say, let's say the Mariners
Speaker 3: were like the Braves twenty and eight. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you not have answers yet? Isn't the usual consensus right?
Speaker 2: I mean a fair question, A very very fair question.
Speaker 2: I will respond with, isn't it a bit of a
Speaker 2: consensus around the league? With this question? Like I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say it consensus because everybody will have a slightly different
Speaker 2: model and opinion. Like you said, May first, don't A
Speaker 2: lot of people usually say around Memorial Day is when
Speaker 2: you start to have an idea of who a team is.
Speaker 2: I feel like usually that tonight, teams.
Speaker 3: Who are struggling like to stick to Memorial Day. Okay,
Speaker 3: well that's okay, that's true because mostly months at that point,
Speaker 3: right outside of the six contenders usually that have arisen
Speaker 3: by Memorial Day, you got to still try and wait
Speaker 3: it out before you make real decisions about your team.
Speaker 3: But with that said, I'm making fun of you, guys.
Speaker 3: I think the Mariners are awesome. Like, I don't care
Speaker 3: that they're twelve and fourteen. I still think they're a
Speaker 3: really good team. So that's where I'm at. I still
Speaker 3: feel confident they are. And it's April twenty eighth.
Speaker 1: Where were the Blue Jays last year on May first?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they're in last place. There you go right
Speaker 1: and look at what they did. Things can change, and
Speaker 1: if you want a Mariner's perspective on this, the reason
Speaker 1: I don't like using May first. If we're going to
Speaker 1: evaluate how they are for the season, what's Julio Rodriguez's
Speaker 1: worst month April. Yeah, I mean, so if we judged
Speaker 1: him by if we judged him on May first every year,
Speaker 1: then he's like a bad baseball play.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing that's important, too, is I'm not saying
Speaker 3: you need a definitive answer your April performance is who
Speaker 3: you are for the rest of the season. That's not
Speaker 3: what I'm saying here. I'm saying that we can still
Speaker 3: have very solid takeaways about all thirty teams by May first.
Speaker 3: That's my main argument is that the Mariners, let's say
Speaker 3: by May first, let's say they win a couple more
Speaker 3: games and they're five hundred, I'd feel good. Why. We
Speaker 3: have a long history of Julio Rodriguez getting much better
Speaker 3: over the season. We have an entire track market of
Speaker 3: Cal Rawly dominating over all of last season knowing he's
Speaker 3: gonna heat up. Josh Naylor is the same way. Like
Speaker 3: we know that. So even if you're at five hundred,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying your record on May first is what
Speaker 3: you're gonna be for the rest of the season. That's
Speaker 3: not my point. I'm saying by at that time you
Speaker 3: can really start to project out for the rest of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 1: There is a Mariner's trend that I don't think is
Speaker 1: just an April thing or just going to be a
Speaker 1: May thing. I think this might be something for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. I'm glad we're going to transition
Speaker 1: right into it. Louis Castillo has not looked good this season.
Speaker 1: He his velocity is down, his movement on all of
Speaker 1: his pitches are down, and in turn, he has been
Speaker 1: significantly less effective. And the Maritors are in a conundrum
Speaker 1: right now where they have a ton of other options
Speaker 1: for arms in the rotation with Emerson Hancock pitching really
Speaker 1: well and Bryce Miller coming back from the injured list. Peter,
Speaker 1: if you're in charge and you're looking at this Mariner's rotation,
Speaker 1: Bryce Miller comes back in a couple of weeks, what
Speaker 1: do you do if Luis Castillo gets a nosebleed.
Speaker 3: I'm putting him on the aisle. When Emerson Hancock made
Speaker 3: his debut, I was watching it and I tweeted out
Speaker 3: after he was done domination, I tweeted out, this guy
Speaker 3: would be the second or third best pitcher in a
Speaker 3: lott of team's rotations, and he's the sixth starter for
Speaker 3: the Mariners. People freaked out. Can you overreact like that.
Speaker 3: Are you dumb? It's been one start. Did you see
Speaker 3: him last year? Did you see him the year before?
Speaker 3: And I said, just wait, this is a different guy.
Speaker 3: It's a different cat. You see that fastball. He's not
Speaker 3: sinker slider, you know, nibbling on the edges anymore. That's
Speaker 3: ninety five from a low slot at the top of
Speaker 3: the zone. Who else is ninety five from a low
Speaker 3: slot at the top of the zone. Ever heard of him?
Speaker 3: His name is Brian wo Ever heard of him? I'm
Speaker 3: not saying he's Brian Wou. They're different pitchers. I said
Speaker 3: that will play, and it's absolutely played. Has he been perfect?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Has he been really good? And this is clearly a
Speaker 3: different guy, absolutely knowing the arm talent. Drafted sixth overall
Speaker 3: in the first round out of the University of Georgia.
Speaker 3: This is a real cat. This is a real player.
Speaker 3: And with Castile, I faded him yesterday right when he
Speaker 3: went up against the Twins. I got a good plus
Speaker 3: price with Luis Castillo on the road, because you guys
Speaker 3: have seen the home road splits with a lot of pitchers,
Speaker 3: Castillos are the most stark, right. It's like a two
Speaker 3: and a half the arra at home. It's like a
Speaker 3: five yarra on the road. You can't go into a
Speaker 3: game knowing your starter averages five runs per nine innings,
Speaker 3: and we have a large sample of that when he
Speaker 3: looked better, and this season he's floating mediocre stuff into
Speaker 3: the middle of his own I'm sorry, Marinis fans, he is.
Speaker 3: We're all watching the same game. This version of Luis
Speaker 3: Castillo is not the same version that we've seen. Now,
Speaker 3: we signed that five year what one hundred and eight
Speaker 3: million dollars deal back in twenty twenty two. I think
Speaker 3: it ends in twenty twenty seven. I would consider shopping him.
Speaker 3: I would consider giving him a breather. I am not
Speaker 3: taking Handcock out of that rotation. If I'm in charge,
Speaker 3: I am not. Now, it's not a bad thing to
Speaker 3: have six starters, right, like what if another guy goes
Speaker 3: down right? Trading Luis Castillo might be a problem, But
Speaker 3: you have to figure out a way to go Gilbert Kirby,
Speaker 3: WHOA or whatever order you want, Handcock Miller, you have
Speaker 3: to those five are box office. Castillo is just the
Speaker 3: weakest link by a good bit.
Speaker 2: So we're all on the same page here because My
Speaker 2: take on this is pretty similar to yours. I said,
Speaker 2: Louise Castillo may may not even need a nosebleed to
Speaker 2: land on the IL. When Bryce Miller gets closer and
Speaker 2: closer coming back, all of a sudden, you may start
Speaker 2: to hear that Louis Castillo has a little bit of
Speaker 2: lat tightness that he's feeling, or maybe his hammy's barking
Speaker 2: at him a little bit. And you know what, Mets look.
Speaker 3: At the mats. They just put Code I Senga on
Speaker 3: the il with like he thought about his shoulder might hurt.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the actual designation was because he's
Speaker 2: been pitching terribly. It happened to it right, and it
Speaker 2: seems like the easiest option. Because our take on this
Speaker 2: is to put him in the bullpen in may feels
Speaker 2: pretty premature because injuries pop up, the need for extra
Speaker 2: starters always comes to play throughout the course of a year.
Speaker 2: There will probably be a point at some point where
Speaker 2: you need Castillo to make more starts. But to put
Speaker 2: him on the phantom, I l let's say it solved
Speaker 2: your problems for a while. It gives them a little
Speaker 2: time to rest. It could give them a little time
Speaker 2: to work on stuff, and then you can reevaluate in
Speaker 2: a few weeks and you can go from there if
Speaker 2: everybody's healthy. It's a good problem to have. But I
Speaker 2: think TJ and I are in the same boat as you,
Speaker 2: which is, if you were to yank Emerson Hancock out
Speaker 2: of this rotation right now, not only do I think
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be fooling the clubhouse in any way because
Speaker 2: they're seeing what everybody else is seeing. They're seeing how
Speaker 2: well he's pitching. But for a team that has aspirations
Speaker 2: about as high as anybody to go try and win
Speaker 2: it all this year, that doesn't really scream winning moves
Speaker 2: to leave a guy in your rotation who's just been
Speaker 2: uncompetitive and just because.
Speaker 3: You're paying him, right, I mean, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, well, let's go win a World Series. This
Speaker 3: team has the goods to do it. How do you
Speaker 3: do that? You play your best five? Sorry, sorry, we're
Speaker 3: playing our best five. And that's not with Castilla and.
Speaker 1: The Mariners have been better about eating money in the
Speaker 1: last year or so ever, essentially ever since Cal was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 3: Need to be more serious.
Speaker 1: If I'm signing an extension here to that since that
Speaker 1: point they have they have been pretty serious. I still
Speaker 1: think you could put Louis Castill in the bullpen and
Speaker 1: the stuff plays up a little bit over an inning
Speaker 1: or two. I don't think the Mariners really have the
Speaker 1: depth necessary in their bullpen to go far in the
Speaker 1: playoffs in its current state. So having another arm already
Speaker 1: in your organization that you're paying a ton of money
Speaker 1: to that could go into the bullpen and succeed, especially
Speaker 1: because a big reason for his the lack of success
Speaker 1: for Louis Castillo's is fastball.
Speaker 3: It's not getting enough juice on his fastball.
Speaker 1: The easiest way to get juice on your fastball is
Speaker 1: going the bullpen and only throw it for one inning.
Speaker 1: So that would that would help him, you know, get
Speaker 1: that up as well. But there's another problem the Mariners
Speaker 1: might have to deal with this season as well, based
Speaker 1: on how a certain prospect is performing in the minor leagues?
Speaker 1: What would you do with Kate Anderson?
Speaker 2: And this might be a little more up arm's alley,
Speaker 2: but we can still ask you because right now, I mean,
Speaker 2: through four starts, he is looking unhittable in double A.
Speaker 3: I freaking love this dude so much, so I can
Speaker 3: answer it a little bit, just because I'm a huge
Speaker 3: college baseball fan, and you know, I watched him a
Speaker 3: ton last year at LSU. We were in you know, Omaha,
Speaker 3: Nebraska for that start, and he I said afterwards, I
Speaker 3: was like, I would take him number one overall in
Speaker 3: this draft, and I think he's got Max Freed written
Speaker 3: all over him. That was my take then, And how
Speaker 3: can I go away from that take? Now?
Speaker 1: I mean he might already be Max Freed. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know he's got pitching in Double A.
Speaker 3: It's got a way to go. But you know, I
Speaker 3: see multiple pitches that he could throw for strikes. He's
Speaker 3: got some built in deception and the stuff just continues
Speaker 3: to tick up. The good that You're in a good
Speaker 3: spot right because you don't need him. So mine is
Speaker 3: just keep massaging that arm, get him as ready as
Speaker 3: pos possible, and then maybe he's a September call up
Speaker 3: and he can come in and give you some important
Speaker 3: spots starts. But at the end of the day, like
Speaker 3: the one thing you guys don't need is pitching. So
Speaker 3: while he is certainly a very talented arm and you
Speaker 3: want to see him, wouldn't it probably have to come
Speaker 3: with an injury. Our last segment was that we have
Speaker 3: too many pitchers right now. We just talked about it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So almost if you see
Speaker 3: Kate Anderson, did something go wrong? And I don't mean
Speaker 3: that as a slight to Kate Anderson again, one of
Speaker 3: my favorite pitchers that I've ever seen in college baseball
Speaker 3: and currently one of my favorite pitching prospects period. But
Speaker 3: if he's up, who's down and he can fill in.
Speaker 3: But if we see him, my guess is something went wrong.
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. I just wonder if he's gonna
Speaker 2: end up forcing their hand. But I don't even know
Speaker 2: how you force a hand in this rotation right now.
Speaker 2: That's why it's such a fascinating conversation that probably isn't
Speaker 2: going away between the two of us, and it's just
Speaker 2: gonna be something we monitor all year.
Speaker 3: Such a good problem to have. What we're talking about,
Speaker 3: we're talking about a five headed monster where Luis Castillo,
Speaker 3: the three time All Star, who's running into a bit
Speaker 3: of a slide. We're like, yep, hit the bench, hit it,
Speaker 3: we got five dogs. And then we're talking about pulling
Speaker 3: up another pitching prospect. What about Ryan Sloan.
Speaker 2: I mean, dear God, team, it's nuts.
Speaker 3: It's exciting times. It's exciting times in Seattle because it's
Speaker 3: the it's in the now and it's in the future.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you one more question on Castillo, That is,
Speaker 2: somebody who's a national Baseball guy be interesting to get
Speaker 2: your perspective on, because you mentioned the idea of potentially
Speaker 2: shopping him around if you had to find some room
Speaker 2: in the rotation. Do you think somebody would take him?
Speaker 2: That's honestly what I've been battling with. With the money
Speaker 2: he's owed left on that deal and the way he trending, like,
Speaker 2: would somebody take on that deal?
Speaker 3: We'll just like everyone listening can do this exercise as well.
Speaker 3: Would you what would you give up right now for
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo? Rob right, Castillo's still on the Reds, for example,
Speaker 3: and he's pitching to his six and a half e ra.
Speaker 3: His stuff is diminishing. He's thirty three years old, and
Speaker 3: you got to pay him the rest of his twenty
Speaker 3: one million this year and the rest of his twenty
Speaker 3: plus million next year. Do you want to give up
Speaker 3: one of your good prospects for him? Of course not so,
Speaker 3: why would you expect anybody else to. That's why even
Speaker 3: we were talking about this before we press the record button,
Speaker 3: we were texting about it, and my initial instinct was
Speaker 3: shop him. But then I kind of corrected my own
Speaker 3: brain and I was like.
Speaker 2: For what, that's where we've been at to it. It
Speaker 2: feels like a bit of an untradable cond.
Speaker 3: It just feels like phantom. I I think that's the
Speaker 3: best because to your point TJ about the bullpen, in theory,
Speaker 3: the fastball would tick up. But you got a guy
Speaker 3: who's been a starting pitcher for a decade and then
Speaker 3: you just move him to the bullpen, there's an adjustment period,
Speaker 3: and then what if he gets hit in his first
Speaker 3: couple outings in the bullpen because he's not adjusted yet,
Speaker 3: Then what do you do? Then you'd basically kind of
Speaker 3: melted him a little bit mm hmm, and.
Speaker 1: That would probably burn the relationship a little bit in
Speaker 1: trust of putting him back in the rotation out of
Speaker 1: as FIRS, someone who's been in the league as long
Speaker 1: as he has been. Like in theory, if you ate
Speaker 1: all of his money, you could trade him, but if
Speaker 1: you're trading him, you probably want to get some of
Speaker 1: that money off the books, Like, who's gonna take that
Speaker 1: kind of salary for a starting pitcher whose stuff is deteriorating?
Speaker 2: The Orioles.
Speaker 1: Maybe because the Orioles just don't They have new owners
Speaker 1: who apparently want to spend more money, and they constantly
Speaker 1: need new starting pictures in the rotation because none of
Speaker 1: the ones they actually bring into the rotation are actually
Speaker 1: good enough. Maybe that works out, and it's not in
Speaker 1: the American League West, which is.
Speaker 3: Important to them.
Speaker 1: The only question I was wondering, just Cass, do you
Speaker 1: have ten and five rights? I don't think so, Like
Speaker 1: this is tenth season. I don't think yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think yeah, maybe this time next year he
Speaker 1: would be. So if you are gonna trade him, probably
Speaker 1: have to probably have to be now sure or you
Speaker 1: can't trade him. It's the ketel Marte argument all over again.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like Peter was about to say he
Speaker 2: doesn't think the Orioles would take that on no shot.
Speaker 3: No, I mean the Orioles didn't want to sign fromber Yeah,
Speaker 3: you think they're gonna take on money for Luis Castill
Speaker 3: who's struggling, because I mean, let's give credit to the
Speaker 3: Orioles right now, this version of Luis Castillo, is he
Speaker 3: better than Dean Kramer?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: That's right? So why would you take on twenty million,
Speaker 3: especially for a team that doesn't like to take on
Speaker 3: money anyway? So it's like in theory, could the Orioles
Speaker 3: use the starter?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Are they normal? When's the last time the Orioles made
Speaker 3: a trade and took on money? Good point?
Speaker 1: Do you know Red Sox need a need a right
Speaker 1: handed starter. They've been making some great trades recently.
Speaker 3: Have you seen their pitching like they have? They have
Speaker 3: too many pitchers to deal with. They were the ones
Speaker 3: that are left hand right, Yeah, but who cares? Like again,
Speaker 3: you'd be kicking out what Brian Bayo from the rotation
Speaker 3: who they already extended, right, And you're gonna fire manager
Speaker 3: and you want to get younger, and then you're bringing
Speaker 3: in thirty three year old Luis Castillo with twenty million
Speaker 3: attached for two more years. There's nobody that even would
Speaker 3: make sense. I mean maybe maybe maybe the Tigers if
Speaker 3: Flaherty goes down and like they get really banged up
Speaker 3: and they have to make a move. But it's another
Speaker 3: front office that doesn't normally want to take on a
Speaker 3: lot of money, and Schooble's about to be a free agent.
Speaker 3: They want to be in those waters. But they're like,
Speaker 3: oh no, wait, we're paying Luis Castillo for next year
Speaker 3: twenty million dollars.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense. I think this has been
Speaker 2: awesome the way you've just spelled this out for people,
Speaker 2: Because we get a lot of comments on the daily
Speaker 2: when we start to talk about how to potentially maneuver
Speaker 2: this rotation, we get a lot of people that say,
Speaker 2: and I get it. They just say, well, just trade Castillo,
Speaker 2: just trade them and then you can free it up.
Speaker 2: And we're like, I just don't think it's that easy, guys.
Speaker 2: And you why I'm making down that? Yeah, you breaking
Speaker 2: down why it wouldn't work here and why it wouldn't
Speaker 2: work there.
Speaker 3: I think this has been really good. You know why
Speaker 3: I'm good at this. I'm a Yankee fan. How many
Speaker 3: times have we tried to trade Clint Frasier and mcgulla
Speaker 3: Andrew Harp everybody's best player? And I have to like
Speaker 3: scream into the abyss like, you guys are nuts. You're nuts,
Speaker 3: All of you are nuts. Now, Marit's fans are not
Speaker 3: nearly as crazy as Yankee fans. But as fans, you're
Speaker 3: always trying to make your team better. How would you
Speaker 3: make your team better getting something valuable for Luis Castillo?
Speaker 3: But a great exercise, And I'll remind everybody listening again,
Speaker 3: would you do it? You've seen Luis Castillo, You know
Speaker 3: how much money he makes, You know how eager you
Speaker 3: are to get rid of him. Are you operating from
Speaker 3: a position of strength when you come to trade talks?
Speaker 3: When Jerry Depoto picks up the phone and says, is
Speaker 3: anyone interested in Luis Castillo? Who's answering?
Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of that mean that
Speaker 2: you always see the guy pointing at himself and says,
Speaker 2: who want me? And the poll is no.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, could Luis Castile
Speaker 3: bounce back?
Speaker 2: Yes? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: We haven't even gone to August fifteenth, TJ's date yet.
Speaker 3: Luis Castillo's got four or five more months to prove
Speaker 3: himself to TJ.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, don't the Yankees have a spot opening in
Speaker 1: their rotation?
Speaker 3: We got six guys. Oh, the Yankees are real good.
Speaker 3: You want to talk Yankees? They're real good?
Speaker 2: Right now? They're looking really good.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Marriagers are really good too. There's some
Speaker 3: really good teams in the American League. And again it's
Speaker 3: still early, but oh yeah, we don't need them, that's
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: You know what. On that note, I'm glad you just
Speaker 2: went there, because we've been doing this a lot more
Speaker 2: this year. I think the conversation's more relevant for the
Speaker 2: Mariners than it ever has been. But we've been spending
Speaker 2: a lot of time just talking about, Okay, who are
Speaker 2: the other contenders around the league, specifically in the American League,
Speaker 2: who could pose some threats to the Mariners down the line.
Speaker 2: Who else is really jumping out to you in the
Speaker 2: first month of the year and saying, oh, like these
Speaker 2: are threats. These guys are contenders.
Speaker 3: I hate to be biased, but the Yankees would be
Speaker 3: number one on that list. I mean, they have the
Speaker 3: best record in the American League without Garrett Cole, without
Speaker 3: Carlos Rodon and without Clark Schmidt. Now, Clark Schmidt, he'll
Speaker 3: throw eighty innings a year to three ri which is like,
Speaker 3: not great, But when he does throw, he is excellent.
Speaker 3: And that's not even mentioning Cam Schlitler or Max Freed
Speaker 3: or Ryan Weathers or Will Warren, who's going way under
Speaker 3: the radar. This is a loaded pitching staff can compete
Speaker 3: with Seattle. Yeah, the thing is, your bullpen is better.
Speaker 3: Your bullpen beats the crap out of all our bullpen.
Speaker 3: Being completely honest, Brian Cashman has to go out and
Speaker 3: get bullpen arms. But at the same time, can we
Speaker 3: be fair. What's the easiest thing to go get at
Speaker 3: the deadline?
Speaker 2: Bull arms?
Speaker 3: Right, and you look at the offense with Ben Rice
Speaker 3: hitting the way that he is, you're probably gonna put
Speaker 3: the Yankees offense above the Mariners. Now, yeah, Ben Rice
Speaker 3: said pretty easily, right, So that team not only can
Speaker 3: go toe to toe with the Mariners, but it's probably better.
Speaker 3: Then I run out of options of who's actually better
Speaker 3: than the Mariners. Right now, I'm like, hmm, I still
Speaker 3: like the Tigers. I still think they have a really
Speaker 3: good team. The Blue Jays, what can you do? The
Speaker 3: half the team got hurt, so it's hard to know.
Speaker 3: Like Treya Savage makes his debut tonight, it's hard to
Speaker 3: know exactly what they'll become. The Red Sox are in disarray.
Speaker 3: The Orioles, everyone tries to make them a contender every year,
Speaker 3: and I'm the one on the podcast being like I
Speaker 3: project them for eighty three eighty four wins. I'm not
Speaker 3: buying it, and I'm not saying I've been right every year,
Speaker 3: but I've been right every year. It's just the same
Speaker 3: kind of mediocre. Offense is fine, pitching is fine. They're okay,
Speaker 3: and I think I truly believe that. I think they're
Speaker 3: a eighty four win team right solid. I think the
Speaker 3: Rangers are in that same bucket, an eighty four win team.
Speaker 3: You see what happened to the Astros. I never bought
Speaker 3: into the A's. I've never boughten into the Royals. I'm
Speaker 3: a Twins guy, but that's based on value. I have,
Speaker 3: like over seventy three and a half winnsday ain't competing.
Speaker 3: The Rays are a fun story right now. Let's be real,
Speaker 3: see Yankees and Mariners.
Speaker 1: How would the Mariners beat the Yankees in a series?
Speaker 1: Because they haven't really been able to do it on
Speaker 1: the field, so I would love to hear a hypothetical
Speaker 1: hell that would actually happen.
Speaker 3: I think, more importantly, how do they take one game
Speaker 3: in that series? No?
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: You have Gilbert Kirby Wu and Bryce Miller and Hancock.
Speaker 3: You win any game, you will have at least even
Speaker 3: or a better pitching matchup. Every game that you face
Speaker 3: the Yankees, you will you'll have the better bullpen, and
Speaker 3: you'll have a starter that's at least as good, if
Speaker 3: not better, or at least could be as good on
Speaker 3: any given day. Whose offense is gonna show up. That's
Speaker 3: what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: And I think you guys know that too, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That Yankees pitching scares me, I'll be real, especially when
Speaker 2: everybody gets healthy, because you list all the Mariners guys,
Speaker 2: but then you go up against healthy Geric call and
Speaker 2: Max Freed and Rodin and Schlitler, those are probably the
Speaker 2: four that you get that they're all healthy in a
Speaker 2: series that's no walk in the park, that.
Speaker 3: Is no walk in the park at all. And you know, Handcock,
Speaker 3: you guys aren't as deep actually in the starting rotation.
Speaker 3: I mean, we can talk sloan In Kate Anderson, but
Speaker 3: the Yankees have legit pitchers right, like Ryan Weathers, like
Speaker 3: Will Warren. Right, they're just calling up Elma Rodriguez Cruz,
Speaker 3: who are one of our best pitching prospects. Will see
Speaker 3: what you know, he gives us in his debut, But
Speaker 3: the Yankees' rotation is is deeper. So potentially could some
Speaker 3: of those those guys go in the bullpen to then
Speaker 3: help that bullpen?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Could Ryan Weather's stuff tick up back there? Could they
Speaker 3: trade a Will Warn in order to get a big
Speaker 3: piece of the deadline? You know? With the Mariners, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like set in Stone, but it's like the
Speaker 3: best five to set in Stone, but it doesn't get
Speaker 3: much longer than that. But again, in a playoff series,
Speaker 3: do you need length? Who cares about our seventh starters?
Speaker 3: Gilbert versus Cole? Who wins? That's what matters.
Speaker 1: I love how Peter's more optimistic about this for the
Speaker 1: Maritner's sake than we are as Mariners fans up here.
Speaker 3: That's if you know this.
Speaker 1: Do you know the answer to this question? How many
Speaker 1: times have the Mariners won the season series against the
Speaker 1: Yankees since two thousand and three?
Speaker 3: Two? Once? Yeah, we beat the crap out of you guys,
Speaker 3: But that's what we own, the American League Central, we
Speaker 3: kind of owe the Maritors.
Speaker 2: It's I think the only series they won, right was
Speaker 2: it twenty twenty two to TJ when they had the
Speaker 2: crazy fifteen inning one nothing game when it was prime
Speaker 2: Castillo against prime Garrett Cole and it was one nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, the meritors do not play the Yankees well.
Speaker 2: But you know what, this is why it's nice to
Speaker 2: have somebody on like Peter who gets to see it
Speaker 2: from a little bit of a broader perspective, because, let's
Speaker 2: be real, like, we're so close to it every day, right,
Speaker 2: Like when you do a team based podcast, you're so
Speaker 2: close to it every day that you're gonna nitpick naturally
Speaker 2: every bad thing you see and blow it up. Where
Speaker 2: when you do it more nationally, you get to see
Speaker 2: a lot more of the broader picture and it brings
Speaker 2: a really good perspective, like you're doing right now.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it, and I'm not You guys aren't
Speaker 3: the only one doing that. Everyone listening, You're not the
Speaker 3: only fan base who's doing that. Every single fan base
Speaker 3: does this. Right, Yankees have the best record in the
Speaker 3: American League. I'm not even sold sometimes, Like I think
Speaker 3: it was a week and a half ago, I'm on
Speaker 3: the show and we're doing the weekend round up and
Speaker 3: Arum was talking very highly of the Yankees, bringing up
Speaker 3: good points and I'm like, oh, what, you know, You're right,
Speaker 3: I am giving these guys too hard of a time.
Speaker 3: And I'm a general optimist, like everyone does this to
Speaker 3: their team, especially early when you've been waiting all winter,
Speaker 3: it's cold, it's raining, and you want to see your team,
Speaker 3: and then they get out there and they don't and
Speaker 3: they don't hit with runners in scoring position, and it
Speaker 3: makes you want to tear your hair out. I know it, right,
Speaker 3: We've all been there, so it's totally normal to feel
Speaker 3: that way. What I will say is, as a complete
Speaker 3: outsider who watches all thirty teams makes projections, the Mariners
Speaker 3: are as good as any team in the American League period.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Love to hear it. I got one more question for you, Peter.
Speaker 1: It's been a bit of a mixed bag when it
Speaker 1: comes to surveying people about how Julio has been to
Speaker 1: start this twenty twenty sixth season. How do you think
Speaker 1: he's playing bad?
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, but also who cares? He does this
Speaker 3: every year?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 3: It's like you wake up and you get your coffee
Speaker 3: in the morning and you watch Juli Rodriguez later at
Speaker 3: night struggle in April. It's just what it is. Why
Speaker 3: is that the case? I have no idea. I remember
Speaker 3: Mark to Sherah with the Yankees was the same way.
Speaker 3: Just stunk it up early in the season every year,
Speaker 3: and you're like, this is gonna be the year where
Speaker 3: he doesn't he does it, and then what happens. He's
Speaker 3: the reincarnation in the second half. We know this, So
Speaker 3: why would we be worried when he's struggling in April?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Am I crazy? Like, I'm not. I don't even care.
Speaker 3: That's how that's how so much I'm not worryorried about it.
Speaker 3: I don't even care.
Speaker 1: I know at the end of the year his stats
Speaker 1: are gonna look really good. He's gonna have at least
Speaker 1: a five war season. What's different about this year is
Speaker 1: he's had a combination of doing things better than he's
Speaker 1: done in any April in the past. But if you
Speaker 1: throw out his first week, he's been an above average
Speaker 1: offensive player. He just hasn't hit for a bunch of power.
Speaker 1: The weird thing about this season is his defense for
Speaker 1: the first month is not greated out great at all,
Speaker 1: which leaves us raising our eyebrow a little bit. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, the reason for Julio's floor is so high.
Speaker 1: It is because he's a great runner and a great defender. Well,
Speaker 1: this year he's running slower than before and his defense
Speaker 1: hasn't graded out.
Speaker 3: As well as Like, huh, I don't know what to
Speaker 3: make of it. I don't know what to make of
Speaker 3: defensive metrics, Like I think you know, we can look
Speaker 3: at them and say, all, right, in outs above average,
Speaker 3: Julio's what minus three?
Speaker 2: Mm? Hmm.
Speaker 3: Do you think Julio Rodriguez doesn't have range all.
Speaker 2: Of a sudden?
Speaker 3: No? No, like some some times guys great out weirdly?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Do you think Bryce Terrang is a good defensive shorts
Speaker 3: or second baseman?
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What if I told you he was like negative one
Speaker 3: and outs above average at second base last year, would
Speaker 3: you care?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: You know why because you're not watching him every day,
Speaker 3: so you're not concerned about his specific numbers. You just
Speaker 3: know he is when you go up against the Brewers,
Speaker 3: you know that he's a good defensive second baseman. Yes,
Speaker 3: his war total might not be as shiny, but all
Speaker 3: that matters is he's good during the regular season, great
Speaker 3: in the second half, and he's gonna help you in
Speaker 3: October That's all that matters at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: right You guys don't get paid more as a podcast.
Speaker 3: If Huli Rodriguez has a specific war, nobody listening gets
Speaker 3: an extra hat in the mail of Juli Rodriguez is
Speaker 3: a six win player versus a five win player. It
Speaker 3: might helping narratives on the internet, but in the of
Speaker 3: the day, you know you have one of the best
Speaker 3: players period in baseball. You know you do. And I
Speaker 3: don't care about his April defensive metrics.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't care about his offensive metrics in April because
Speaker 3: we know what he is. We know he's excellent on
Speaker 3: all sides of the ball, and we know in the
Speaker 3: second half, when you're probably gonna need him most, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be awesome because he's Ula Rodriguez, and of course
Speaker 3: he is Peter. This has been fantastic.
Speaker 1: We love having you on your one of our favorite
Speaker 1: guests recurring guests on this show, and we appreciate you
Speaker 1: and all the people at Just Baseball for helping us
Speaker 1: do what we do.
Speaker 3: So thanks for taking some time for us, and you
Speaker 3: guys are the best too. Thank you guys for having me,
Speaker 3: and hopefully I wasn't too mean to Mariners fans. I
Speaker 3: will tell you like it is. Don't worry. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna be all nice. Everything I said here I fully believe,
Speaker 3: and t J and Lyle are my friends and sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm going to, you know, pokem a little bit. This's
Speaker 3: just having fun at the end of the day. Going
Speaker 3: back to that first question, all we wanted to do
Speaker 3: here Just Baseball was to have conversations, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: argue and we're gonna have fun at the end of
Speaker 3: the day. It's just baseball.
Speaker 2: Well, I said it before the start of the conversation
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