WEBVTT - Episode 396: Peter Appel (Just Baseball)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number three ninety six of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcast. We welcome on our friend and recurring guest,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Apple of Just Baseball. We talk about the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty twenty six Mariners season, what the Mariner

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<v Speaker 1>should do with the rotation going forward, and a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot more. We'll also react to the Mariners splitting the

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<v Speaker 1>first two games in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday evening, April twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me know if you've heard this one before.

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<v Speaker 1>Lyle Mariners lose to left handed pitcher, Mariners beat right

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<v Speaker 1>handed pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't logics say the other it should have happened the

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<v Speaker 2>other way around, because it should have, despite the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>struggling against lefties all year so far. You lose and

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<v Speaker 2>get in a way carved up by a dude making

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<v Speaker 2>a second ever big league star who's not some blue

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<v Speaker 2>chip prospect, and then you beat Joe Ryan. Dude, Baseball

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<v Speaker 2>is so dumb in that way. Doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's dumb. There's no logic, but that's how it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>The baseball gods have just not intended the Mariners to

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<v Speaker 1>be good against left handed pitchers, no matter the stature,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently just Matthew Libertor.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you beat Joe Ryan, Yeah, because he's a righty,

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<v Speaker 2>really really good righty.

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't even really beat Joe Ryan. They scored

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<v Speaker 1>the two runs when he was out of the game, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They did. He is really tough to go against man,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to know what it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>for the opposition to go up against Brian Wu. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty similar when the Mariners have to see

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Ryan or other teams have to see Joe Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>because that same low slot, it's the same high rise

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<v Speaker 2>on the fastball. If you want to sound smart with

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<v Speaker 2>your baseball friends, what they call it inside baseball clubhouses

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<v Speaker 2>is upshoot. When you have the fastball rise, they call

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<v Speaker 2>it the upshoot fastball. They say the rises upshoot. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Ryant's really hard to go against, and then he's

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<v Speaker 2>got secondaries that are just nuts. But the Mariners, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, they scratched enough across against them to then

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<v Speaker 2>get to the bullpen and hammer the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was amazing to see from the bullpen. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw a number of things like late in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, for the seemingly the first time this season,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw Dan leave Luke Rayley inst to lefty. The

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<v Speaker 1>Twins brought a lefty in specifically against Luke Rayley, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dan left him in the game. Luke Rayley didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>any damage because Luke can't really hit lefties, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariner still ended up scoring and then Raley came around

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<v Speaker 1>again in the lineup later in the game and hit

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<v Speaker 1>against the righty.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is an example right here.

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<v Speaker 1>While it didn't like work out in that specific a

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<v Speaker 1>bat for Luke Rayley, he did get an opportunity an

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<v Speaker 1>inning later against a righty in a situation with runners on.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately he just struck out in that opportunity evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps has Dan been radicalized next on Undisputed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a that's a great question. I hope someone asked

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<v Speaker 3>him about it tomorrow. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be great, that'd be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing about that whole inning, though they put

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<v Speaker 1>a lefty in to face Luke Rayley, Raley doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the job done. Dan pinch hits Mitch Garver for Canzone

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<v Speaker 1>who's sitting right after Rayley, and then left Hee cole

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<v Speaker 1>Young comes up and gets the go ahead hit left

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<v Speaker 1>on left.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just been cole Young's mo o all year.

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<v Speaker 2>He had no problems against lefties. He's destroyed lefties so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude's become the most platoon safe player on the whole roster.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we thought cole Jong was gonna take a jump

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and he absolutely has. But He is doing

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<v Speaker 2>things among his own game that I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>had on our Bingo card. I don't think most people

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<v Speaker 2>had on our Bingo card. I don't think we had

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<v Speaker 2>him being one of the best defenders in baseball. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we had him crushing lefties. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we had him being a better platoon bat than half

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<v Speaker 2>the roster, or a better platoon safe bat than half

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<v Speaker 2>the roster. It's been great. Cole Young's been awesome. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need some right hander to come in for him

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<v Speaker 2>on days and hit lefties. He's doing it all himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes a lot easier because if that was the case, Loud,

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<v Speaker 1>this roster would be in a tough, tough, tough place.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead Colon had three hits tonight. He's doing everything

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<v Speaker 1>you would want as a second baseman, walking any enough,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting for enough average, playing sparkling defense, and producing against

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<v Speaker 1>both lefties and righties. It's for a twenty two year old, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, speaking of Cole Young, did you see

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<v Speaker 1>that image they put on the screen today?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never I still consider myself young at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never felt more old watching that they had.

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<v Speaker 1>If you weren't watching the game today. They had the

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<v Speaker 1>Pitch Hit and Run MLB's pitch Hit and Run before

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<v Speaker 1>the All Star Game in twenty fourteen at Target Field,

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<v Speaker 1>a game that Felix started, by the way, that everyone remembers.

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<v Speaker 1>They had video of Cole Young at that event hitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the box and he looks he's a fucking child,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, this is the first time I actually

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<v Speaker 1>feel old.

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<v Speaker 2>So Cole would have been what you got twelve? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's track twelve years da, he was ten, dude, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember twenty fourteen pretty well. That was the year they

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<v Speaker 2>signed Robbie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like I was young then too, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I clearly remember the game. Robinson Cano made the All

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<v Speaker 1>Star Game for the Maritors. Felix started. The Maritors played

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<v Speaker 1>really well that you're Kyle Seger made that All Star

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<v Speaker 1>Game as well. Oh, there was crystal clear in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't Cole Young is out there as like a top

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<v Speaker 1>like a borderline toddler.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't that Jeter's last year? Was that his last All

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<v Speaker 2>Star game?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when when Wayne Wright grewed him a fastball right

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<v Speaker 1>down the middle so he could get a base hit.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said he did it on purpose too, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm remembering. Yeah, so it was that All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Game, which clearly you and I are recalling with

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<v Speaker 2>no issues Cole Young's ten in that that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to be fair in our defense, that All Star

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<v Speaker 1>Game was probably one of the five best Mariners moments

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty tens.

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<v Speaker 2>So why because Felix started?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Felix started, and you had a shiny star

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<v Speaker 1>toy hitting in the middle of the lineup and Robinson Cano.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Mariners in the twenty tents really didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, So that was that was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what were the moments if you're gonna thankhm

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<v Speaker 2>Ount Rushmore signing, Robbie signing, Nelson Cruz, Felix in the

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<v Speaker 2>All Star Game and Game one sixty one of twenty fourteen. Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there was also the twenty eighteen All Star

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<v Speaker 2>Game where Gene Segura hit the homer late and it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like he was gonna win MVP of the All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Game and Nelly freaked out and Mareni's fans were

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<v Speaker 2>loving it, and then Eddie blew it. Yeah, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Up there too.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the twenty fourteen game is remembered a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more positively because they didn't blow it and

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<v Speaker 1>Felix didn't give up a home run to Scooter Jeannett,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no he did not.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, seeing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Video of Cole Young, I mean, I've never felt old

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<v Speaker 1>until today.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I feel old.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? Amazing? Incredible? H Well, I'm glad they

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<v Speaker 2>find a way. They found a way to split these

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of games, cuz you don't want to lose

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<v Speaker 2>all that momentum after getting a sweep. Now, at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least, even if they lose on Wednesday, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope they find a way to win, but you at

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<v Speaker 2>least have won four of six on this road trip,

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<v Speaker 2>and one way or another, you can come home feeling

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<v Speaker 2>pretty damn good. I would, I said at the start,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see him go five and one against

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<v Speaker 2>these two teams, because these two teams have not are

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<v Speaker 2>not world beaters.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys all listening know that. So five and one

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<v Speaker 2>would be great, But you can't complain about a four

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<v Speaker 2>and two road trip. So they have a four and

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<v Speaker 2>two road trip. Yeah, great, especially.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the road performance before and on the mailbag last week,

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<v Speaker 1>we said four and two would be great. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>said four and two, you win both the series. You

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<v Speaker 1>said four and two, I said five to one.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the standard was on the floor. Hopefully they win.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully they win tomorrow and it's five and one, because

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<v Speaker 1>then everyone will feel a whole lot better. The vibes

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have felt worse if we'd hypothetically recorded this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday night. Lives are terrible on Monday Night. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what we're gonna get to here before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into the conversation with Peter we Are.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say one thing before we get into Monday's conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't seen our guy yet. We haven't seen Topa.

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<v Speaker 3>No. Is he healthy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's he's on the roster, he's healthy. But

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't pitched because.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had two different situations. You had a close scheme today,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to blow out yesterday. I would assume that

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<v Speaker 1>just means he's gonna pitch tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably. Yeah, we've talked about it before. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it in past Twins series since he's been

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<v Speaker 2>a part of that team. I love justin Topa man,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say I mean this podcast, he's We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a lot of dudes in the bucket of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the nicest guys in baseball. Topa's in that bucket,

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<v Speaker 2>the man, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the first podcast guests that we ever had, always

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<v Speaker 1>great to interact with.

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<v Speaker 3>At the ballpark. Yeah, he's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a huge card collector. He's just a big baseball

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<v Speaker 2>fan and a big sports fan. Yeah, Topa's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of the guys that you were truly

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<v Speaker 1>bummed when he gets traded off the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>Right when Polonco got traded for a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>we were hyped. We didn't know what was coming back

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<v Speaker 2>in the trade, so at first we're just all fired

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<v Speaker 2>up to get Polanco and then when we saw it

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<v Speaker 2>was Topa back, we were genuinely sad, really sad. Like

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<v Speaker 2>we said, it was the right trade, but we were sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully again, hopefully he is able to string together a full,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy season and show the world what he can do again,

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<v Speaker 1>because he did that in twenty three as a Mariner.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, it's not been as smooth sailing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was. He was solid last year. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the same as he was in twenty three by any stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>But he put up a three ninety ERA last year

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<v Speaker 2>at three nine zero and then at a fifth of

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<v Speaker 2>three to oh four. He was he was a contributor

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<v Speaker 2>last year, but yes, he was not like twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, what's funny, Lyle, he leads the league

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<v Speaker 1>in appearances this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, then he must have just gotten a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days off.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll probably put must have Yeah, he must have just

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<v Speaker 1>pitched over the weekend. Yeah, he's appeared in sixteen games

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<v Speaker 1>so far this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, good for Topain. Love the guy. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>he's healthy. Glad he's staying on the field. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>he's pitching. Well, it's good. Yeah, it's awesome for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Monday's storyline and it's the biggest story in Mariner's land

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<v Speaker 2>right now. We get into a bunch of it with Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>so we won't spend a ton of time on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we wanted to just dive into it for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple minutes before we get to our conversation with Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>What are they gonna do about this rotation? Man? Bryce

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<v Speaker 2>Miller's on the doorstep of coming back. It's gonna happen

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<v Speaker 2>in the next couple of weeks here and every time

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<v Speaker 2>through the rotation, the conversation grows louder and louder and

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<v Speaker 2>louder about what you're gonna do with Louis Castillo versus

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<v Speaker 2>Emerson Hancock.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky for us, I guess, and for the Mariners. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a discussion point amongst all the talking heads.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just us, it's not just the podcasts, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just you know, reactionary stuff. Everyone is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing with Louis Castilla, and Louis if he

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<v Speaker 1>has more of the starts like he had on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a really easy decision because the Louis Castill we

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<v Speaker 1>saw on Monday night was a shell of the best

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<v Speaker 1>version of Louis Castillo we've seen. It had already been

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<v Speaker 1>trending down. But when Luis is averaging under ninety four

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour in his fastball for an entire night,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not Louise Castile. You talked about it on Brocketsoft

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. Not He had been losing some of the

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<v Speaker 1>feel on his off speed pitches and his breaking balls

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<v Speaker 1>for a while now, but he's always had his fastball.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're averaging under ninety four miles an hour for

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<v Speaker 1>your fastball, it just it just screams, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>you. You can't be as effective if you're not throwing the

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<v Speaker 1>baseball hard. And Louis showed that yesterday, right and he

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<v Speaker 1>got knocked around and the Twins scored seven runs and

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<v Speaker 1>it just did not look good. And you're Goldie saying

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<v Speaker 1>on the broadcast, Louis Castillo got through five, did not

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<v Speaker 1>have a good night. I don't know how else you

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<v Speaker 1>can say it. And if he's you know, if he's

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<v Speaker 1>running out a couple other starts like that, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty it'd be a pretty easy Hey, you're hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the al with arm fatigue.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you could spin at how Dan spun it

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<v Speaker 2>in the post game where he's like, well, I like

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<v Speaker 2>the way Luis Castillo battled back in the fifth inning.

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<v Speaker 2>That was legitimately what he said postgame Monday. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he got shelled. I don't think there's much battling back

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<v Speaker 2>in the fifth inning, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>He finished five innings when our bullpen was spent, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he he had to wear it. If this is a

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<v Speaker 1>different situation where the bullpen was fully rested. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Castillo could have been out there at her in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth inning or the third.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Dan's not gonna give anybody much in any of

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<v Speaker 2>these pregame or postgame sessions. He never ever, ever does.

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<v Speaker 2>So let us just do our own postgame press conference

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<v Speaker 2>and put a quote out for you, Luis Castile was

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<v Speaker 2>not good on Monday, didn't have it, stuff was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>got knocked around. Dan's not gonna say that, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>say it.

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<v Speaker 3>The conversation. I don't know if it's changed that much.

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<v Speaker 1>It just sort of reassures what people think about this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's probably convincing me a little bit more. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit. I was a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>hesitant of the two of us of making this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of decision. But I don't know how you make anything

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<v Speaker 1>else but like an Ile stint out of this, because

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<v Speaker 1>again you don't. This is not something you could just

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<v Speaker 1>undo if you make a decision to put him in

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<v Speaker 1>the bullpen. It's not that easy. And Lois unlike an

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<v Speaker 1>Emerson Hancock or a young pitcher, he has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more say in things. He makes a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Players gravitate towards him in the clubhouse, So you got

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<v Speaker 1>to think about making a decision like that. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to make much of a decision if you put

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<v Speaker 1>him on the eel, because then he could just rest

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mariners have can give themselves more time to

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<v Speaker 1>think about what to do with this roster spot.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like the only viable option to me at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. It seems like the most logical, and it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like the viable one because we've talked about it already.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting him in the bullpen right now is not a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea because at some point you're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>need him to start more games this year. The unfortunate

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<v Speaker 2>reality of baseball is injuries happen, and they happen in

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<v Speaker 2>rotations a lot. And if that's the case, you need

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<v Speaker 2>a long maybe not a long list of starters, but

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<v Speaker 2>you need depth in your rotation of guys, either in

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<v Speaker 2>the miners or guys that are six starters, guys that

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<v Speaker 2>can go make a handful of starts throughout a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what ever say Hancock was doing for the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. You need depth, and to put Louise

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<v Speaker 2>Castillo in the bullpen right now might slash his ability

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<v Speaker 2>to go start more games, because then he'd be working

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<v Speaker 2>on a much shorter leash. He's not getting built up

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<v Speaker 2>as much, he's not getting stretched out. It's a hard

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<v Speaker 2>thing to go from rotation to bullpen back to rotation

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the year. And it also would

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<v Speaker 2>be a tough conversation to have with Luis already in

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<v Speaker 2>late April early May and say, hey, you've got this

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<v Speaker 2>year and next year left on your deal. You're owed

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three million plus dollars each of the next two seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're going to the bullpen. It's a hard conversation

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<v Speaker 2>to have with your clubhouse and with the player doing

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<v Speaker 2>the phantomil stint really avoids all this. It buys you time.

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<v Speaker 2>It can let Luis rest, let him work on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things in the bullpen. If somebody else gets injured,

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<v Speaker 2>you can slot him back in if he's ready, and

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<v Speaker 2>if he's and and if nobody else gets injured, then

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<v Speaker 2>you have some time to buy. You have a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks and in the middle of the summer you

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<v Speaker 2>can figure this thing out. If by July you think

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<v Speaker 2>you need to move him to the bullpen. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot different than late April or May. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>for now it is the most viable option. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>the most sense in the world. The Mariners are not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say they're gonna fanom I lum A team can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that, or they're gonna get penalized. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the next couple of weeks you'll hear about Luis's

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<v Speaker 2>latt's bugging them, or he's got his hammy that's barking,

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<v Speaker 2>or he's got yeah, arm fatigue. They'll they'll put something

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<v Speaker 2>out there for why he's got to go on the shelf.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>We did talk about this a little bit with Peter

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like he's not tradable really because of the contract,

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<v Speaker 1>So people coming to us with that suggestion, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like that is something that would happen

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<v Speaker 1>given the amount of money he has owed and how

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<v Speaker 1>he is performing. Could get surprised. But with the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money he's getting paid, the Mariners would have to

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<v Speaker 1>either eat a lot of it or you would have

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<v Speaker 1>to send prospects with him to get a team to

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<v Speaker 1>take that kind of contract.

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<v Speaker 2>And we can get into that a little more when

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<v Speaker 2>we talked to Peter. Yeah, I will say. The one

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<v Speaker 2>other thing I was going to mention is because I

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<v Speaker 2>was curious about what's going on with Louise, and both

0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 2>of us were curious. We reach out to our friend

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Churchill and we said, so what do you make

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<v Speaker 2>of this? Because church was doing some tweeting about it

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<v Speaker 2>the other night where he was saying, Louis stuff just

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<v Speaker 2>looks way down. It just doesn't look the same. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not effective. And we said, what do you think it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Because church really knows ball, as you guys know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's pretty well connected, so I was curious what he

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<v Speaker 2>was taking from all this, and he said, the fastball

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the rise anymore. It doesn't have the upshoot

0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.159
<v Speaker 2>that it once did. The slider is not breaking horizontally

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<v Speaker 2>the way it once did. It's just across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual movement of the pitches and the effect of

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<v Speaker 2>the pitch is just way down. And I take it

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<v Speaker 2>forward for it again in Church of a smart guy.

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<v Speaker 3>The one last thing I wanted to mention about Castio.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we talk about this with Peter at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's got a vesting option in twenty twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and to hit that vesting option in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to.

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<v Speaker 3>Throw one hundred and eighty innings. Mariagers are not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>let him throw one hundred and eighty inings.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, they won't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they're gonna manage that, whether he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the rotation or the bullpen, or however that works out.

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<v Speaker 1>Next year is gonna be a discussion in of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have Caid ready, you have all these starters,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have Louis Castillo who's not pitching, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Put in one more factor there. You got to put

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Sloan in there for twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ryan Sloane could be in the rotation at some

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<v Speaker 1>point of twenty twenty seven, but not an opening day

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe. I mean, it depends how the rest of his

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<v Speaker 2>season goes. But I don't know how Luis Castillo factors

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<v Speaker 2>into all that next year, because come next year, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have Logan, You're gonna Kirby, You're gonna have Wu,

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have Bryce Miller, You're gonna have Emerson Hancock.

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<v Speaker 2>That's five. Kate Anderson would be six. Ryan slowed is

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<v Speaker 2>seven and then when our guy Logan Evans comes back

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.240
<v Speaker 2>from Tommy John if you want to talk about more

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<v Speaker 2>starting pitcher depth, that's eight. And all those guys are

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<v Speaker 2>a hell of a lot cheaper than Luis Castillo. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where he factors in for twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a very interesting conversation come this offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>That's eight guys that are more cost control than Castillo is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Mariners might have to trade I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they might try and trade Castillo, but they can also

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<v Speaker 1>trade one of their other starters too.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinks they're gonna get very interesting in the next calendar

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<v Speaker 2>year because it's a very good problem to have, but

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to solve problems eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about this and a whole lot more with

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Peter Apple. He knows his ball. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>not listening to the Just Baseball Show, that's a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to up your knowledge about the rest of Major

0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.920
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball. They do a great job on their website,

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<v Speaker 1>just baseball dot com, all the social media channels. They

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<v Speaker 1>are great partners to us here at the Marine Layer Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been a bit since we've had Peter On,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's good to get a new, fresh perspective from them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys, I listened to The Just Baseball Show

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. When I'm driving into Brock and Salt

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.600
<v Speaker 2>in the mornings or when I'm in the car, I'm

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.959
<v Speaker 2>usually listening to them because for as much baseball as

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<v Speaker 2>we watch, it's hard to watch all thirty teams all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and I obviously want to be very very

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<v Speaker 2>on top of what's going around the league, going on

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 2>around the league constantly. Those guys, and we're not just

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<v Speaker 2>saying this because we're partnered up with them. They do

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<v Speaker 2>a just unbelievable job. They're fun, they're energetic. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hear a bunch of it from Peter during this interview.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're informative, they know their stuff. They use they

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<v Speaker 2>use new age metrics, they use old school metrics. They

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just a perfectly well blended national baseball podcast,

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>something that's very hard to find these days in the

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 2>baseball space. I think there's not a ton of great

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.159
<v Speaker 2>ones out there, and they are one of them. And

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>to have Peter on, it's a blast. Again. He's got opinions,

0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.560
<v Speaker 2>he's got facts, he knows his stuff, he's got energy,

0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.320
<v Speaker 2>he's a great guest, and you guys are going to

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<v Speaker 2>hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't keep you guys any longer. Let's get you

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<v Speaker 1>to the interview with Peter Apple.

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<v Speaker 2>Buying a home is a big deal. It's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, we got our friend Peter Apple on with us,

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<v Speaker 1>co founder of Just Baseball and host of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball Show. You've probably seen his face on TikTok at

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<v Speaker 1>some point. Peter, thanks for taking some time to join us.

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<v Speaker 1>How are things in the Just Baseball world going great?

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<v Speaker 3>Social media is on the rise, the website's doing well,

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast has been a ton of fun, and we

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<v Speaker 3>have you guys on the network. So how can things

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<v Speaker 3>funds that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good, great decision by you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are that we've kind of brought Have we

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<v Speaker 2>not brought the credibility of Just Baseball down?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, yeah, no, Jack does that. He's already

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<v Speaker 3>brought it all the way down to the floor. So

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.440
<v Speaker 3>you guys are raising our floor if you can believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we ask you this every time you have

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<v Speaker 3>it on. But how cool is it to just see

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<v Speaker 3>the contain you'd growth of something you've like built on

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<v Speaker 3>your own you and others have built up from nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to being an incredibly successful media brand that you just

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<v Speaker 3>get to talk about baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>For a living.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I appreciate the kind words it's weird because there's

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<v Speaker 3>one part of my brain that doesn't want to pay

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<v Speaker 3>attention to it at all, because it's almost like, get

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<v Speaker 3>up and work every single day and don't worry about

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<v Speaker 3>all that stuff. Don't let it get to your head.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, you know, my mom told

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<v Speaker 3>me this, like stop and smell the roses a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, to see the continued growth throughout everything

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<v Speaker 3>that we do has been amazing, you know, And it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's so cool to see a thought that we

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<v Speaker 3>had during COVID sprout into what it is now. Like

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<v Speaker 3>if you told me four and a half five years

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<v Speaker 3>ago that we'd be here, I told you you'd be crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right when I was working for the Yankees and season

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<v Speaker 3>ticket sales, trying to sell season tickets during a pandemic,

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 3>calling people up and be like, are you gonna come

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<v Speaker 3>out to the stadium next season? And they say, are

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have a season? And I say, well, maybe

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 3>you interested in selling seating tickets. It was rock bottom,

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 3>it felt like for me. So to just have the

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<v Speaker 3>idea when everyone was inside and then just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>jump at it and to see where it is now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been really awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it ever crazy to think about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts and jack and arms thoughts legitimately get sent

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<v Speaker 2>in group chats around the country are senting your guys'

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<v Speaker 2>discord chat. It's like, and it starts a conversation within

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 2>random friend Groups's like, oh Peter said this and made

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>this point, and that just gets people going, like does

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<v Speaker 2>that ever resonate with you? Kind of?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny, that's that's like my dream. Like

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 3>the reason I wanted to start this was because I

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<v Speaker 3>really like talking baseball with people. That's really the crux of.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I have a take and a conversation comes

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 3>out of that, that's the best. Even if you disagree

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 3>with me, right, because sports is kind of about disagreeing, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>what are the biggest sports shows in the world one

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 3>where you got one host disagreeing with another host? So

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 3>the mean comments or anything like that. You know, you

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 3>take it with the greatest salt, because at the end

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 3>of the day, we all have our own takes about baseball,

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 3>So to see one of mine grow into something somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the coolest thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into some talk about the Mariners, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you're here, Peter. You're the third biggest Mariners fan

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, behind Lala and I, so we have

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<v Speaker 1>to get your thoughts on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, to start off here, let me let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give me a green flag and a red

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<v Speaker 1>flag for what you see with the Mariners so far

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<v Speaker 1>this season?

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<v Speaker 3>A green flag or a red flag about the whole team?

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<v Speaker 3>A green flag and a red flag. You can pick

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<v Speaker 3>anything you want, Okay, I think a green flag would

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:51.159
<v Speaker 3>be how good the bullpen looks? And I think we

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 3>knew that the bullpen would look good. And I know

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Munjos has not gotten off to the best start, but

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<v Speaker 3>that actually makes me feel more bullish about the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that even come into the fifth inning? Right I'm

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 3>looking at your guys's bullpen right now, I think you

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 3>have like five arms with an ERA below two. Almost

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 3>no team can say that and that's without Andris Munno's

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<v Speaker 3>performing very well right now, so that would be probably

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 3>my biggest green flag. And then how could you not

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<v Speaker 3>say Cole Young as another green flag? I mean there's multiple,

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 3>but Cole Young has been such a good story because

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<v Speaker 3>going into the season, it almost felt like people were

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 3>trying to skip him over for Colt Emerson. Right, Everyone's

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 3>so excited about this next great Mariners player and you're like, well,

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 3>he plays up the middle, and like Cole Young, maybe

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 3>he'll do something, but we're really just excited to see

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 3>cold Emerson. And then to see Cole Young step up

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<v Speaker 3>like he has, I think is a huge green flag.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of the red flags, watching Josh Naylor take

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 3>abs has been so disappointing because it's not just the production,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost like his energy in the box. Because where

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 3>I fell in love with Josh Naylor was in Cleveland,

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 3>where the energy, the fight, the competitiveness that he brings

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 3>not only to the field but in the plate you

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 3>can feel it. And I think it started in the

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 3>WBC for Canada because we were watching a ton of

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 3>World Baseball Classic and I was like, does this guy

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 3>even care? That's how what he felt like, when I

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:29.880
<v Speaker 3>was watching these abs, the lack of aggressiveness, he'd roll

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 3>over and not run the bases. I was just like,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 3>who is this player? This is a completely different guy.

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 3>And then he's brought that into the Mariners season so far,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, that's not Josh Naylor. Like, I'm not

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 3>surprising as a seventy one WRC plus I would. I

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 3>think it's worse because when Josh Naylor has it electric.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 3>You guys saw it last year when you guys acquired him.

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, my god, one of the most entertaining players.

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 3>It felt like within a week Mariner's fans were like,

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 3>we have to sign him. I don't care what it costs,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not just he had a one thirty WORC

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 3>plus and he was a good hitter. He brought it.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I haven't felt like he's brought it this year. That

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 3>would be my biggest red flack.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know his other nickname that he has? His

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 3>other nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay or it could be his main name. I don't

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>know if to the general public. I know to Mariners

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>fans it's his main nickname. I'm wondering to the general public,

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they know what it is. I don't think so, or

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>at least I don't.

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>I think Big Grumper is rubbing off on Peter. Yeah,

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 3>so you guys even have a nickname for this, Yes,

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, here we go. Now, I know I'm not

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>crazy that I'm just like the oldly person on earth

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.239
<v Speaker 3>being like that is not Josh Naylor. That is not

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 3>the Josh Naylor I've fell in love with. Even I'm

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 3>a Yankee fan and he's rocking the baby Yankee fans

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 3>are freaking out. I'm like, that's electric, that's electric. He's

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 3>an electric player. He's not electric. He is the Big Grumper.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>So we got told that that got wielded out of

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>him a little bit once he especially started to get

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>close to free agency. I think I think somebody got

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>in his ear a little bit about all the on

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>field like public outbursts like that, because you didn't really

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>ever see that in Arizona, and we certainly never saw

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>it in the final two months or in the playoffs

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>in Seattle. I think he's different now, Like, I don't

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>think it's that he doesn't care. I think he's just

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>got a very unique aura that he brings to the field,

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and I can understand why it could rub some people

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way, but I think that, like, I think

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just how we've learned to intake Josh Naylor, if

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. It's kind of how he is.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 3>I think you make, you know, a really good point there.

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 3>But it's not just the antics. That's not what I'm

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:37.959
<v Speaker 3>talking about. I'm even talking about on a pitch by

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 3>pitch basis in the box, right, the just lack of aggressiveness,

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 3>the passiveness. Right, I'm pretty sure his swing rate is down.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>He's chasing outside the zone of pitches that you wouldn't

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 3>normally see him chasing at. And then his walk back

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 3>to the dugout is kind of like, ugh, yeah, I

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know, it just.

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't feel right when he grown see Grums.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 3>It's he's it's in in.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Every facet of the game. Even last year when he's

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>playing as well as possible, like there are moments you

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>will catch him and it's it doesn't seem like he's

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>having the most fun of all time on the baseball

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>field and he's gonna you know, he was performing really

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>well this year, you know, when the struggles come out,

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the question you ask when someone starts the season

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>off really cold like, how do they respond to that?

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Is Josh Nailer's personality built out to respond to a

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>really negative start to the season. I think still think

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>we have a little bit to go to find out

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>at least how it is in a Mariner's uniform. But

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I get how he could he could rub rub that

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to people.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's crazy at all. Peter, and He's

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna catch fire, right, He's gonna be fine, Right, I'm not.

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not worried about Josh Naylor the player. I just

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 3>to answer your question about a red flag. That's the

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>thing pissing me off about the Mariners when I turned

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 3>them on late night because I love watching the Mariners.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Who wouldn't look at this team? I ranked him as

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>my number one power ranked team in the America going

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 3>into the season. How could you not look at this rotation?

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Look at this bullpen, j Rod cal Right, go down

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the line, Randy's entertaining, you see Cole Young, Luke Rayley

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 3>is unbelievable. They have so many good players, good manager,

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 3>good front office, great GM. What are we talking about?

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And to see twelve and fourteen and just like a

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 3>lack of energy that's what upsets me.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting. So you helped answer one of the

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>questions I already had down for you, which is, of

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the big three in the lineup of Cal Julio, Josh Naylor,

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>were there any that really jumped out to you in

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a negative way when they started slow?

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like you answered the question with Naylor.

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>But let me ask you this. Since the team is

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>about twelve and fourteen as we're sitting here recording this,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>and the first month is coming to a close, when

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>do you start to actually look at a team and say,

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm worried or I'm totally buying in, Like

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>if a team starts really hot for X amount of weeks,

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>you're bought in. Or if a team starts really cold,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 2>especially one that I had expectations for X amount of weeks,

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you say this is a real problem. Is there a

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>point in the year where you usually circle and say,

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>all right, we got to take this seriously.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny. I can actually give you a

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 3>real answer for that, because I think you know, you

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 3>could say, well, you know, in the first month or anything,

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 3>but things change. I run a betting model, right, you

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 3>guys know me. I make bets, and basically with this model,

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I run my projections and then based off my projections,

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 3>I make a bet. Right, So if I make a

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 3>line minus one thirty or minus one fifty, I give

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 3>a team a sixty percent chance of winning, and the

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 3>betting line only is minus one twenty five fifty five percent.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 3>That's when I make a bet. I am still using

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 3>preseason projections. I mold some current numbers in, but it's

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 3>still like that. On May first, that's when I start

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 3>to use real data that we've already gotten. It's not

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 3>my first yet, so not even to this point have

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I really like stuck my foot in the ground. Now

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 3>if things have continued, oh, I just hit my mic.

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 3>If things have continued from last year, right, let's say

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 3>you did. One team was terrible on the pitching side

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 3>last year in the second half, didn't add much pitching,

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 3>and then continues to perform poorly as a staff. That's

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 3>something that we can hang on to. But the Mariners

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 3>being twelve and fourteen, knowing that Julio starts slow every year,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 3>knowing that Cal Rawly caught a bunch of innings in

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 3>the World Baseball Classic, played a full season. Last year

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 3>it was such an incredible season and got off to

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>a slow start. Am I worried, of course, not Josh Naylor.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 3>He's been pissing me off. Am I worried? No, Logan

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Gilbert's got an ERA over four and a half. Do

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 3>I care?

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>No, of course not. It's so early. He's rocking like

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 3>a three sixty batting average on balls in play. But

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>what I will say coming up, then we start to

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 3>formulate opinions by the middle of May. That's start using

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 3>MLB data. May first formulate opinions in the middle of May,

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 3>and then we're off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think last year changed this a lot for me,

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>A good I think a good round date to go

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>around as June first, exactly two months into the MLB season.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>You're a third of the way done. You have a

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty decent idea of what the team, at least the

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>team that started this season is. And for the Mariners,

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>like the first four months of the season told us

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 1>exactly who they were. They had an MVP caliber player

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>who should have won MVP in their lineup, and then

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the roster was essentially combined with the injuries,

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and the underperformance was a five hundred baseball team, and

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what they showed us the deadline. They were just

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 1>about five hundred, but the team was completely different after

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the deadline because they added a bunch of players. So

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>is the craziest thing that we're not going to know

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>what this team is until August fifteenth?

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 3>I think you could make that argument. Again, I'm gonna

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 3>stand on my laurels, like I think that by May

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 3>you have a pretty good idea. I'm not saying that, oh,

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 3>this is the team, Like I kind of get what

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>you mean. It'd be like, I really know who this

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>is by June. But by May, at that point, you

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 3>got what thirty thirty five games under your belt? We

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 3>play one sixty two. It's a good portion right at

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 3>that point, it's like week four of the NFL season

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 3>where it's like, all right, I know who you are.

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 3>And then during the month of May, that's when you

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 3>formulate your opinions and by your date TJ. June first,

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 3>that's when we know August fifteenth. I mean, then we're

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 3>starting to get ready for the postseason. But you already

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 3>have a huge record and you might have a change

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 3>team because of deadline acquisitions. But again, I'm gonna go

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 3>back to it. I think by May we're starting to

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:58.720
<v Speaker 3>figure out some things.

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>So maybe it's more like August fifteenth gives you a

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>better idea of the team you have to finish the season,

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 1>not the team you had to start the season, because

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>those can those can be two totally different things, whether

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 1>it be injuries or trades that I think we can

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>agree on.

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Can I be honest with you guys? No?

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Are you on a trust tree here? And because you

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 3>guys are my friends, I'm gonna ask you a friend question.

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Are you guys pushing back the date until June because

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 3>the Mariners are not off to that grade of a start?

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Is that like, oh no, we can't. We can't have

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 3>any takes about the Mariners until September eighth. I mean

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.280
<v Speaker 3>at some point, like let's say, let's say the Mariners

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>were like the Braves twenty and eight. Mm hmm.

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Do you not have answers yet? Isn't the usual consensus right?

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean a fair question, A very very fair question.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I will respond with, isn't it a bit of a

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>consensus around the league? With this question? Like I shouldn't

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 2>say it consensus because everybody will have a slightly different

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>model and opinion. Like you said, May first, don't A

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of people usually say around Memorial Day is when

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you start to have an idea of who a team is.

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like usually that tonight, teams.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Who are struggling like to stick to Memorial Day. Okay,

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 3>well that's okay, that's true because mostly months at that point,

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 3>right outside of the six contenders usually that have arisen

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 3>by Memorial Day, you got to still try and wait

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 3>it out before you make real decisions about your team.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>But with that said, I'm making fun of you, guys.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 3>I think the Mariners are awesome. Like, I don't care

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 3>that they're twelve and fourteen. I still think they're a

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.959
<v Speaker 3>really good team. So that's where I'm at. I still

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.800
<v Speaker 3>feel confident they are. And it's April twenty eighth.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Where were the Blue Jays last year on May first?

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I think they're in last place. There you go right

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>and look at what they did. Things can change, and

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>if you want a Mariner's perspective on this, the reason

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't like using May first. If we're going to

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 1>evaluate how they are for the season, what's Julio Rodriguez's

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>worst month April. Yeah, I mean, so if we judged

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>him by if we judged him on May first every year,

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>then he's like a bad baseball play.

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing that's important, too, is I'm not saying

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 3>you need a definitive answer your April performance is who

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 3>you are for the rest of the season. That's not

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying here. I'm saying that we can still

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 3>have very solid takeaways about all thirty teams by May first.

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 3>That's my main argument is that the Mariners, let's say

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 3>by May first, let's say they win a couple more

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 3>games and they're five hundred, I'd feel good. Why. We

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 3>have a long history of Julio Rodriguez getting much better

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 3>over the season. We have an entire track market of

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Cal Rawly dominating over all of last season knowing he's

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna heat up. Josh Naylor is the same way. Like

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 3>we know that. So even if you're at five hundred,

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying your record on May first is what

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be for the rest of the season. That's

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 3>not my point. I'm saying by at that time you

0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 3>can really start to project out for the rest of

0:38:59.320 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 3>the year.

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>There is a Mariner's trend that I don't think is

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>just an April thing or just going to be a

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>May thing. I think this might be something for the

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>rest of the season. I'm glad we're going to transition

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>right into it. Louis Castillo has not looked good this season.

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>He his velocity is down, his movement on all of

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 1>his pitches are down, and in turn, he has been

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>significantly less effective. And the Maritors are in a conundrum

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 1>right now where they have a ton of other options

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.919
<v Speaker 1>for arms in the rotation with Emerson Hancock pitching really

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 1>well and Bryce Miller coming back from the injured list. Peter,

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>if you're in charge and you're looking at this Mariner's rotation,

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Bryce Miller comes back in a couple of weeks, what

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>do you do if Luis Castillo gets a nosebleed.

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm putting him on the aisle. When Emerson Hancock made

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 3>his debut, I was watching it and I tweeted out

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 3>after he was done domination, I tweeted out, this guy

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 3>would be the second or third best pitcher in a

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 3>lott of team's rotations, and he's the sixth starter for

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the Mariners. People freaked out. Can you overreact like that.

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 3>Are you dumb? It's been one start. Did you see

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>him last year? Did you see him the year before?

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 3>And I said, just wait, this is a different guy.

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a different cat. You see that fastball. He's not

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:19.720
<v Speaker 3>sinker slider, you know, nibbling on the edges anymore. That's

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 3>ninety five from a low slot at the top of

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>the zone. Who else is ninety five from a low

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 3>slot at the top of the zone. Ever heard of him?

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 3>His name is Brian wo Ever heard of him? I'm

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>not saying he's Brian Wou. They're different pitchers. I said

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 3>that will play, and it's absolutely played. Has he been perfect?

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Has he been really good? And this is clearly a

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 3>different guy, absolutely knowing the arm talent. Drafted sixth overall

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 3>in the first round out of the University of Georgia.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a real cat. This is a real player.

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 3>And with Castile, I faded him yesterday right when he

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 3>went up against the Twins. I got a good plus

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 3>price with Luis Castillo on the road, because you guys

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 3>have seen the home road splits with a lot of pitchers,

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Castillos are the most stark, right. It's like a two

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 3>and a half the arra at home. It's like a

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 3>five yarra on the road. You can't go into a

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 3>game knowing your starter averages five runs per nine innings,

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 3>and we have a large sample of that when he

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 3>looked better, and this season he's floating mediocre stuff into

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 3>the middle of his own I'm sorry, Marinis fans, he is.

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 3>We're all watching the same game. This version of Luis

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Castillo is not the same version that we've seen. Now,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 3>we signed that five year what one hundred and eight

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 3>million dollars deal back in twenty twenty two. I think

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 3>it ends in twenty twenty seven. I would consider shopping him.

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 3>I would consider giving him a breather. I am not

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.760
<v Speaker 3>taking Handcock out of that rotation. If I'm in charge,

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I am not. Now, it's not a bad thing to

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 3>have six starters, right, like what if another guy goes

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 3>down right? Trading Luis Castillo might be a problem, But

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 3>you have to figure out a way to go Gilbert Kirby,

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 3>WHOA or whatever order you want, Handcock Miller, you have

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 3>to those five are box office. Castillo is just the

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 3>weakest link by a good bit.

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So we're all on the same page here because My

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>take on this is pretty similar to yours. I said,

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Louise Castillo may may not even need a nosebleed to

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>land on the IL. When Bryce Miller gets closer and

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 2>closer coming back, all of a sudden, you may start

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear that Louis Castillo has a little bit of

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 2>lat tightness that he's feeling, or maybe his hammy's barking

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.800
<v Speaker 2>at him a little bit. And you know what, Mets look.

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 3>At the mats. They just put Code I Senga on

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 3>the il with like he thought about his shoulder might hurt.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the actual designation was because he's

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>been pitching terribly. It happened to it right, and it

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 2>seems like the easiest option. Because our take on this

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 2>is to put him in the bullpen in may feels

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty premature because injuries pop up, the need for extra

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 2>starters always comes to play throughout the course of a year.

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>There will probably be a point at some point where

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 2>you need Castillo to make more starts. But to put

0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>him on the phantom, I l let's say it solved

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 2>your problems for a while. It gives them a little

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>time to rest. It could give them a little time

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>to work on stuff, and then you can reevaluate in

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks and you can go from there if

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>everybody's healthy. It's a good problem to have. But I

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>think TJ and I are in the same boat as you,

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>which is, if you were to yank Emerson Hancock out

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.440
<v Speaker 2>of this rotation right now, not only do I think

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't be fooling the clubhouse in any way because

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 2>they're seeing what everybody else is seeing. They're seeing how

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>well he's pitching. But for a team that has aspirations

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 2>about as high as anybody to go try and win

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>it all this year, that doesn't really scream winning moves

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>to leave a guy in your rotation who's just been

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>uncompetitive and just because.

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 3>You're paying him, right, I mean, at the end of

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 3>the day, well, let's go win a World Series. This

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 3>team has the goods to do it. How do you

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 3>do that? You play your best five? Sorry, sorry, we're

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 3>playing our best five. And that's not with Castilla and.

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>The Mariners have been better about eating money in the

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>last year or so ever, essentially ever since Cal was like, yeah,

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>you guys.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Need to be more serious.

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 1>If I'm signing an extension here to that since that

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.439
<v Speaker 1>point they have they have been pretty serious. I still

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 1>think you could put Louis Castill in the bullpen and

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the stuff plays up a little bit over an inning

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>or two. I don't think the Mariners really have the

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>depth necessary in their bullpen to go far in the

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 1>playoffs in its current state. So having another arm already

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>in your organization that you're paying a ton of money

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to that could go into the bullpen and succeed, especially

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>because a big reason for his the lack of success

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>for Louis Castillo's is fastball.

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not getting enough juice on his fastball.

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 1>The easiest way to get juice on your fastball is

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>going the bullpen and only throw it for one inning.

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 1>So that would that would help him, you know, get

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that up as well. But there's another problem the Mariners

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>might have to deal with this season as well, based

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>on how a certain prospect is performing in the minor leagues?

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.240
<v Speaker 1>What would you do with Kate Anderson?

0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:59.840
<v Speaker 2>And this might be a little more up arm's alley,

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 2>but we can still ask you because right now, I mean,

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>through four starts, he is looking unhittable in double A.

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 3>I freaking love this dude so much, so I can

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 3>answer it a little bit, just because I'm a huge

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 3>college baseball fan, and you know, I watched him a

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 3>ton last year at LSU. We were in you know, Omaha,

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Nebraska for that start, and he I said afterwards, I

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 3>was like, I would take him number one overall in

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>this draft, and I think he's got Max Freed written

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 3>all over him. That was my take then, And how

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 3>can I go away from that take? Now?

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean he might already be Max Freed. Yeah, well,

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>you know he's got pitching in Double A.

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 3>It's got a way to go. But you know, I

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 3>see multiple pitches that he could throw for strikes. He's

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 3>got some built in deception and the stuff just continues

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 3>to tick up. The good that You're in a good

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 3>spot right because you don't need him. So mine is

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 3>just keep massaging that arm, get him as ready as

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 3>pos possible, and then maybe he's a September call up

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 3>and he can come in and give you some important

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 3>spots starts. But at the end of the day, like

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 3>the one thing you guys don't need is pitching. So

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 3>while he is certainly a very talented arm and you

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 3>want to see him, wouldn't it probably have to come

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 3>with an injury. Our last segment was that we have

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 3>too many pitchers right now. We just talked about it,

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. So almost if you see

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 3>Kate Anderson, did something go wrong? And I don't mean

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:36.839
<v Speaker 3>that as a slight to Kate Anderson again, one of

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.240
<v Speaker 3>my favorite pitchers that I've ever seen in college baseball

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 3>and currently one of my favorite pitching prospects period. But

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 3>if he's up, who's down and he can fill in.

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 3>But if we see him, my guess is something went wrong.

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a fair point. I just wonder if he's gonna

0:46:58.200 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>end up forcing their hand. But I don't even know

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:02.359
<v Speaker 2>how you force a hand in this rotation right now.

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 2>That's why it's such a fascinating conversation that probably isn't

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 2>going away between the two of us, and it's just

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna be something we monitor all year.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Such a good problem to have. What we're talking about,

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about a five headed monster where Luis Castillo,

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 3>the three time All Star, who's running into a bit

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 3>of a slide. We're like, yep, hit the bench, hit it,

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 3>we got five dogs. And then we're talking about pulling

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 3>up another pitching prospect. What about Ryan Sloan.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, dear God, team, it's nuts.

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 3>It's exciting times. It's exciting times in Seattle because it's

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 3>the it's in the now and it's in the future.

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you one more question on Castillo, That is,

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody who's a national Baseball guy be interesting to get

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>your perspective on, because you mentioned the idea of potentially

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>shopping him around if you had to find some room

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>in the rotation. Do you think somebody would take him?

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.760
<v Speaker 2>That's honestly what I've been battling with. With the money

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 2>he's owed left on that deal and the way he trending, like,

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 2>would somebody take on that deal?

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 3>We'll just like everyone listening can do this exercise as well.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 3>Would you what would you give up right now for

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:17.240
<v Speaker 3>Luis Castillo? Rob right, Castillo's still on the Reds, for example,

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and he's pitching to his six and a half e ra.

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.759
<v Speaker 3>His stuff is diminishing. He's thirty three years old, and

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.240
<v Speaker 3>you got to pay him the rest of his twenty

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 3>one million this year and the rest of his twenty

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 3>plus million next year. Do you want to give up

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 3>one of your good prospects for him? Of course not so,

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 3>why would you expect anybody else to. That's why even

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about this before we press the record button,

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 3>we were texting about it, and my initial instinct was

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 3>shop him. But then I kind of corrected my own

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:47.879
<v Speaker 3>brain and I was like.

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 2>For what, that's where we've been at to it. It

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 2>feels like a bit of an untradable cond.

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 3>It just feels like phantom. I I think that's the

0:48:56.360 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 3>best because to your point TJ about the bullpen, in theory,

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 3>the fastball would tick up. But you got a guy

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 3>who's been a starting pitcher for a decade and then

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>you just move him to the bullpen, there's an adjustment period,

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 3>and then what if he gets hit in his first

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 3>couple outings in the bullpen because he's not adjusted yet,

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Then what do you do? Then you'd basically kind of

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.760
<v Speaker 3>melted him a little bit mm hmm, and.

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>That would probably burn the relationship a little bit in

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 1>trust of putting him back in the rotation out of

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 1>as FIRS, someone who's been in the league as long

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>as he has been. Like in theory, if you ate

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 1>all of his money, you could trade him, but if

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you're trading him, you probably want to get some of

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that money off the books, Like, who's gonna take that

0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of salary for a starting pitcher whose stuff is deteriorating?

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 2>The Orioles.

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe because the Orioles just don't They have new owners

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>who apparently want to spend more money, and they constantly

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>need new starting pictures in the rotation because none of

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the ones they actually bring into the rotation are actually

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>good enough. Maybe that works out, and it's not in

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the American League West, which is.

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Important to them.

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 1>The only question I was wondering, just Cass, do you

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>have ten and five rights? I don't think so, Like

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 1>this is tenth season. I don't think yeah, I don't think.

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think yeah, maybe this time next year he

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>would be. So if you are gonna trade him, probably

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 1>have to probably have to be now sure or you

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>can't trade him. It's the ketel Marte argument all over again.

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like Peter was about to say he

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think the Orioles would take that on no shot.

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean the Orioles didn't want to sign fromber Yeah,

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 3>you think they're gonna take on money for Luis Castill

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 3>who's struggling, because I mean, let's give credit to the

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Orioles right now, this version of Luis Castillo, is he

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 3>better than Dean Kramer?

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Why not?

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 3>That's right? So why would you take on twenty million,

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 3>especially for a team that doesn't like to take on

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 3>money anyway? So it's like in theory, could the Orioles

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 3>use the starter?

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Are they normal? When's the last time the Orioles made

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 3>a trade and took on money? Good point?

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you know Red Sox need a need a right

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.280
<v Speaker 1>handed starter. They've been making some great trades recently.

0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Have you seen their pitching like they have? They have

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 3>too many pitchers to deal with. They were the ones

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:06.880
<v Speaker 3>that are left hand right, Yeah, but who cares? Like again,

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 3>you'd be kicking out what Brian Bayo from the rotation

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 3>who they already extended, right, And you're gonna fire manager

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 3>and you want to get younger, and then you're bringing

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 3>in thirty three year old Luis Castillo with twenty million

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:24.120
<v Speaker 3>attached for two more years. There's nobody that even would

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 3>make sense. I mean maybe maybe maybe the Tigers if

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Flaherty goes down and like they get really banged up

0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and they have to make a move. But it's another

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 3>front office that doesn't normally want to take on a

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 3>lot of money, and Schooble's about to be a free agent.

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 3>They want to be in those waters. But they're like,

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.879
<v Speaker 3>oh no, wait, we're paying Luis Castillo for next year

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 3>twenty million dollars.

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.400
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't make sense. I think this has been

0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.239
<v Speaker 2>awesome the way you've just spelled this out for people,

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Because we get a lot of comments on the daily

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>when we start to talk about how to potentially maneuver

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>this rotation, we get a lot of people that say,

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and I get it. They just say, well, just trade Castillo,

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 2>just trade them and then you can free it up.

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 2>And we're like, I just don't think it's that easy, guys.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 2>And you why I'm making down that? Yeah, you breaking

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>down why it wouldn't work here and why it wouldn't

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:17.719
<v Speaker 2>work there.

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I think this has been really good. You know why

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm good at this. I'm a Yankee fan. How many

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 3>times have we tried to trade Clint Frasier and mcgulla

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Andrew Harp everybody's best player? And I have to like

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 3>scream into the abyss like, you guys are nuts. You're nuts,

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 3>All of you are nuts. Now, Marit's fans are not

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 3>nearly as crazy as Yankee fans. But as fans, you're

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 3>always trying to make your team better. How would you

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 3>make your team better getting something valuable for Luis Castillo?

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 3>But a great exercise, And I'll remind everybody listening again,

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 3>would you do it? You've seen Luis Castillo, You know

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 3>how much money he makes, You know how eager you

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 3>are to get rid of him. Are you operating from

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 3>a position of strength when you come to trade talks?

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 3>When Jerry Depoto picks up the phone and says, is

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:10.680
<v Speaker 3>anyone interested in Luis Castillo? Who's answering?

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me a little bit of that mean that

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you always see the guy pointing at himself and says,

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>who want me? And the poll is no.

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 3>And at the end of the day, could Luis Castile

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 3>bounce back?

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Right? Right?

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 3>We haven't even gone to August fifteenth, TJ's date yet.

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Luis Castillo's got four or five more months to prove

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 3>himself to TJ.

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, don't the Yankees have a spot opening in

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>their rotation?

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.879
<v Speaker 3>We got six guys. Oh, the Yankees are real good.

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 3>You want to talk Yankees? They're real good?

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Right now? They're looking really good.

0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Marriagers are really good too. There's some

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 3>really good teams in the American League. And again it's

0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.839
<v Speaker 3>still early, but oh yeah, we don't need them, that's

0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what. On that note, I'm glad you just

0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 2>went there, because we've been doing this a lot more

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 2>this year. I think the conversation's more relevant for the

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Mariners than it ever has been. But we've been spending

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time just talking about, Okay, who are

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 2>the other contenders around the league, specifically in the American League,

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 2>who could pose some threats to the Mariners down the line.

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Who else is really jumping out to you in the

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.839
<v Speaker 2>first month of the year and saying, oh, like these

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 2>are threats. These guys are contenders.

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I hate to be biased, but the Yankees would be

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 3>number one on that list. I mean, they have the

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 3>best record in the American League without Garrett Cole, without

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.319
<v Speaker 3>Carlos Rodon and without Clark Schmidt. Now, Clark Schmidt, he'll

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 3>throw eighty innings a year to three ri which is like,

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.120
<v Speaker 3>not great, But when he does throw, he is excellent.

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 3>And that's not even mentioning Cam Schlitler or Max Freed

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.399
<v Speaker 3>or Ryan Weathers or Will Warren, who's going way under

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the radar. This is a loaded pitching staff can compete

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 3>with Seattle. Yeah, the thing is, your bullpen is better.

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Your bullpen beats the crap out of all our bullpen.

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Being completely honest, Brian Cashman has to go out and

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 3>get bullpen arms. But at the same time, can we

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 3>be fair. What's the easiest thing to go get at

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:04.760
<v Speaker 3>the deadline?

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Bull arms?

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Right, and you look at the offense with Ben Rice

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 3>hitting the way that he is, you're probably gonna put

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 3>the Yankees offense above the Mariners. Now, yeah, Ben Rice

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 3>said pretty easily, right, So that team not only can

0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 3>go toe to toe with the Mariners, but it's probably better.

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.919
<v Speaker 3>Then I run out of options of who's actually better

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 3>than the Mariners. Right now, I'm like, hmm, I still

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 3>like the Tigers. I still think they have a really

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 3>good team. The Blue Jays, what can you do? The

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 3>half the team got hurt, so it's hard to know.

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Like Treya Savage makes his debut tonight, it's hard to

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 3>know exactly what they'll become. The Red Sox are in disarray.

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 3>The Orioles, everyone tries to make them a contender every year,

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and I'm the one on the podcast being like I

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 3>project them for eighty three eighty four wins. I'm not

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 3>buying it, and I'm not saying I've been right every year,

0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:01.320
<v Speaker 3>but I've been right every year. It's just the same

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of mediocre. Offense is fine, pitching is fine. They're okay,

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.040
<v Speaker 3>and I think I truly believe that. I think they're

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 3>a eighty four win team right solid. I think the

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Rangers are in that same bucket, an eighty four win team.

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 3>You see what happened to the Astros. I never bought

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:21.440
<v Speaker 3>into the A's. I've never boughten into the Royals. I'm

0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 3>a Twins guy, but that's based on value. I have,

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 3>like over seventy three and a half winnsday ain't competing.

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 3>The Rays are a fun story right now. Let's be real,

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 3>see Yankees and Mariners.

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>How would the Mariners beat the Yankees in a series?

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Because they haven't really been able to do it on

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:38.799
<v Speaker 1>the field, so I would love to hear a hypothetical

0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>hell that would actually happen.

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.319
<v Speaker 3>I think, more importantly, how do they take one game

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:44.320
<v Speaker 3>in that series? No?

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 3>You have Gilbert Kirby Wu and Bryce Miller and Hancock.

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 3>You win any game, you will have at least even

0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 3>or a better pitching matchup. Every game that you face

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:05.319
<v Speaker 3>the Yankees, you will you'll have the better bullpen, and

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 3>you'll have a starter that's at least as good, if

0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 3>not better, or at least could be as good on

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:14.800
<v Speaker 3>any given day. Whose offense is gonna show up. That's

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 3>what it comes down to.

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think you guys know that too, mm hmm.

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>That Yankees pitching scares me, I'll be real, especially when

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>everybody gets healthy, because you list all the Mariners guys,

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 2>but then you go up against healthy Geric call and

0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Max Freed and Rodin and Schlitler, those are probably the

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 2>four that you get that they're all healthy in a

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 2>series that's no walk in the park, that.

0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Is no walk in the park at all. And you know, Handcock,

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you guys aren't as deep actually in the starting rotation.

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we can talk sloan In Kate Anderson, but

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 3>the Yankees have legit pitchers right, like Ryan Weathers, like

0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Will Warren. Right, they're just calling up Elma Rodriguez Cruz,

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 3>who are one of our best pitching prospects. Will see

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 3>what you know, he gives us in his debut, But

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the Yankees' rotation is is deeper. So potentially could some

0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 3>of those those guys go in the bullpen to then

0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 3>help that bullpen?

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Could Ryan Weather's stuff tick up back there? Could they

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 3>trade a Will Warn in order to get a big

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 3>piece of the deadline? You know? With the Mariners, it's

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of like set in Stone, but it's like the

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 3>best five to set in Stone, but it doesn't get

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 3>much longer than that. But again, in a playoff series,

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 3>do you need length? Who cares about our seventh starters?

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Gilbert versus Cole? Who wins? That's what matters.

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I love how Peter's more optimistic about this for the

0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Maritner's sake than we are as Mariners fans up here.

0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 3>That's if you know this.

0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you know the answer to this question? How many

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 1>times have the Mariners won the season series against the

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Yankees since two thousand and three?

0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Two? Once? Yeah, we beat the crap out of you guys,

0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:58.000
<v Speaker 3>But that's what we own, the American League Central, we

0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of owe the Maritors.

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>It's I think the only series they won, right was

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.280
<v Speaker 2>it twenty twenty two to TJ when they had the

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 2>crazy fifteen inning one nothing game when it was prime

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Castillo against prime Garrett Cole and it was one nothing. Yeah,

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the meritors do not play the Yankees well.

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, this is why it's nice to

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.840
<v Speaker 2>have somebody on like Peter who gets to see it

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>from a little bit of a broader perspective, because, let's

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 2>be real, like, we're so close to it every day, right,

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Like when you do a team based podcast, you're so

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.760
<v Speaker 2>close to it every day that you're gonna nitpick naturally

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 2>every bad thing you see and blow it up. Where

0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 2>when you do it more nationally, you get to see

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot more of the broader picture and it brings

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 2>a really good perspective, like you're doing right now.

0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate it, and I'm not You guys aren't

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the only one doing that. Everyone listening, You're not the

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.280
<v Speaker 3>only fan base who's doing that. Every single fan base

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 3>does this. Right, Yankees have the best record in the

0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 3>American League. I'm not even sold sometimes, Like I think

0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.600
<v Speaker 3>it was a week and a half ago, I'm on

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 3>the show and we're doing the weekend round up and

1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 3>Arum was talking very highly of the Yankees, bringing up

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 3>good points and I'm like, oh, what, you know, You're right,

1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I am giving these guys too hard of a time.

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.520
<v Speaker 3>And I'm a general optimist, like everyone does this to

1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:17.000
<v Speaker 3>their team, especially early when you've been waiting all winter,

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.280
<v Speaker 3>it's cold, it's raining, and you want to see your team,

1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 3>and then they get out there and they don't and

1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.400
<v Speaker 3>they don't hit with runners in scoring position, and it

1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:29.000
<v Speaker 3>makes you want to tear your hair out. I know it, right,

1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 3>We've all been there, so it's totally normal to feel

1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 3>that way. What I will say is, as a complete

1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 3>outsider who watches all thirty teams makes projections, the Mariners

1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:47.600
<v Speaker 3>are as good as any team in the American League period.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Love to hear it. I got one more question for you, Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a bit of a mixed bag when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to surveying people about how Julio has been to

1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.960
<v Speaker 1>start this twenty twenty sixth season. How do you think

1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:04.840
<v Speaker 1>he's playing bad?

1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:09.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, okay, but also who cares? He does this

1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:09.959
<v Speaker 3>every year?

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<v Speaker 2>Who?

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:14.160
<v Speaker 3>It's like you wake up and you get your coffee

1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:17.480
<v Speaker 3>in the morning and you watch Juli Rodriguez later at

1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:22.960
<v Speaker 3>night struggle in April. It's just what it is. Why

1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:26.680
<v Speaker 3>is that the case? I have no idea. I remember

1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Mark to Sherah with the Yankees was the same way.

1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Just stunk it up early in the season every year,

1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:35.600
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, this is gonna be the year where

1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:39.760
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't he does it, and then what happens. He's

1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 3>the reincarnation in the second half. We know this, So

1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 3>why would we be worried when he's struggling in April?

1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:50.439
<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I crazy? Like, I'm not. I don't even care.

1:01:56.920 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 3>That's how that's how so much I'm not worryorried about it.

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't even care.

1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I know at the end of the year his stats

1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:07.520
<v Speaker 1>are gonna look really good. He's gonna have at least

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a five war season. What's different about this year is

1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:15.000
<v Speaker 1>he's had a combination of doing things better than he's

1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 1>done in any April in the past. But if you

1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.360
<v Speaker 1>throw out his first week, he's been an above average

1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 1>offensive player. He just hasn't hit for a bunch of power.

1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:26.640
<v Speaker 1>The weird thing about this season is his defense for

1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the first month is not greated out great at all,

1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 1>which leaves us raising our eyebrow a little bit. It's like,

1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, the reason for Julio's floor is so high.

1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.320
<v Speaker 1>It is because he's a great runner and a great defender. Well,

1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:40.800
<v Speaker 1>this year he's running slower than before and his defense

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't graded out.

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<v Speaker 3>As well as Like, huh, I don't know what to

1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.440
<v Speaker 3>make of it. I don't know what to make of

1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.680
<v Speaker 3>defensive metrics, Like I think you know, we can look

1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.080
<v Speaker 3>at them and say, all, right, in outs above average,

1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Julio's what minus three?

1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Mm? Hmm.

1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Do you think Julio Rodriguez doesn't have range all.

1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Of a sudden?

1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:02.840
<v Speaker 3>No? No, like some some times guys great out weirdly?

1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think Bryce Terrang is a good defensive shorts

1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:06.880
<v Speaker 3>or second baseman?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What if I told you he was like negative one

1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:12.560
<v Speaker 3>and outs above average at second base last year, would

1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:12.919
<v Speaker 3>you care?

1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:13.960
<v Speaker 2>No?

1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:16.560
<v Speaker 3>You know why because you're not watching him every day,

1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:19.000
<v Speaker 3>so you're not concerned about his specific numbers. You just

1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:20.800
<v Speaker 3>know he is when you go up against the Brewers,

1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:24.160
<v Speaker 3>you know that he's a good defensive second baseman. Yes,

1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:26.760
<v Speaker 3>his war total might not be as shiny, but all

1:03:26.800 --> 1:03:29.600
<v Speaker 3>that matters is he's good during the regular season, great

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<v Speaker 3>in the second half, and he's gonna help you in

1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:33.560
<v Speaker 3>October That's all that matters at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>right You guys don't get paid more as a podcast.

1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:40.520
<v Speaker 3>If Huli Rodriguez has a specific war, nobody listening gets

1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:42.800
<v Speaker 3>an extra hat in the mail of Juli Rodriguez is

1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:45.840
<v Speaker 3>a six win player versus a five win player. It

1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:48.120
<v Speaker 3>might helping narratives on the internet, but in the of

1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:50.280
<v Speaker 3>the day, you know you have one of the best

1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:52.920
<v Speaker 3>players period in baseball. You know you do. And I

1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.280
<v Speaker 3>don't care about his April defensive metrics.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't care about his offensive metrics in April because

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<v Speaker 3>we know what he is. We know he's excellent on

1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:03.440
<v Speaker 3>all sides of the ball, and we know in the

1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:06.200
<v Speaker 3>second half, when you're probably gonna need him most, it's

1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:09.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna be awesome because he's Ula Rodriguez, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>he is Peter. This has been fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>We love having you on your one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>guests recurring guests on this show, and we appreciate you

1:04:18.440 --> 1:04:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and all the people at Just Baseball for helping us

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<v Speaker 1>do what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks for taking some time for us, and you

1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.080
<v Speaker 3>guys are the best too. Thank you guys for having me,

1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and hopefully I wasn't too mean to Mariners fans. I

1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.000
<v Speaker 3>will tell you like it is. Don't worry. I'm not

1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:33.160
<v Speaker 3>gonna be all nice. Everything I said here I fully believe,

1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:35.840
<v Speaker 3>and t J and Lyle are my friends and sometimes

1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:38.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to, you know, pokem a little bit. This's

1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:39.720
<v Speaker 3>just having fun at the end of the day. Going

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<v Speaker 3>back to that first question, all we wanted to do

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<v Speaker 3>here Just Baseball was to have conversations, and we're gonna

1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:46.280
<v Speaker 3>argue and we're gonna have fun at the end of

1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:47.760
<v Speaker 3>the day. It's just baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I said it before the start of the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll say it again. Peter's a great guest, so

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to him for coming on. Love, all the

1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:59.640
<v Speaker 2>energy brings, love all the takes he provides. He really

1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:01.800
<v Speaker 2>knows it's up. So if you guys want to stay

1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.400
<v Speaker 2>on top of the league when you're not listening to us, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>go follow the Just Baseball Show wherever you get your

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