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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're just a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Sikos staying up on a Thursday night to watch the

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Speaker 1: last week of the preseason Bengals Colts. And there's no

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Speaker 1: one I would want to talk about a Bengals game

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Speaker 1: with more than Nick Westling, Who's the one who's really

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Speaker 1: staying up late there. Look a little tired, but he's

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Speaker 1: ready to go. Let's go, Nick Woo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what we learn how these preseason games. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And what I learned is Anthony Richardson hyped up pretty

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Speaker 2: well for obvious reasons. He's got all the physical tools

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Speaker 2: and looks amazing, but he missed a couple of bunnies

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Speaker 2: and that's against a third team Bengals defense. So we'll

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Speaker 2: see what happens. And obviously you're not going to show

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Speaker 2: too much in the preseason. I don't think we really

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Speaker 2: learn too much about about things. But he's got to

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Speaker 2: tighten some things up if he's going to lead this

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Speaker 2: Colts teams to the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 1: No, I love that, Nick, you just jumped right into

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of doing news first, but I brought

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Speaker 1: up the game. You're talking game, let's talk the game,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I just saw Bengals on the schedule primetime game,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, what would make me happy, what would

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Speaker 1: make our listeners happy? What would make us more happy

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Speaker 1: than to just hear from from Nick Westling? Of course,

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Speaker 1: and the visage. It's looking good, you look healthy, you

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Speaker 1: look happy. It's always great to hear from you, my

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Speaker 1: favorite Westling in Cincinnati. You know, Phil's the old you

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Speaker 1: know Phil's in Columbus. I'm not counting him and the

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Speaker 1: other brothers. You know, I don't really hear from them

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Speaker 1: as much, so you're in the top spot.

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Speaker 2: Nick, fine, you know it. Phels feels okay, but you're right,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't live in Cincinnati. He doesn't count. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not You said I look healthy. I'm I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: not missing any meals. So we're feeling good here. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens with this football season. Obviously. I

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Speaker 2: know you want me on because Westling brothers equal ratings,

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Speaker 2: so you gotta go grab those while you can.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. Yeah, of course. Uh, all the fans and

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Speaker 1: listeners back from the around the NFL days of Chris

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Speaker 1: if you're watching on our YouTube show, I mean I

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Speaker 1: have to admit it still happens to me, Nick when

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Speaker 1: your when your face pops up on screen, it's just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the likeness is there. So that's not the only reason

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Speaker 1: why I love you, but it is is an extra

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Speaker 1: bonus of why I love you. All right, let's just

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Speaker 1: talk Colts Bengals then, because yeah, Richardson and the Colts

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Speaker 1: and we saw it all With Richardson, I thought in

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Speaker 1: that first drive that he had, he goes right down

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Speaker 1: Like he is looking ready to go MVP, like sleeper,

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Speaker 1: few times in this show. We'll get to that, but

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Speaker 1: one of the times was you know he was saying

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Speaker 1: Richardson asked the show he's a good decision maker, and

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Speaker 1: he gets through his reads. He makes good decisions. But

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Speaker 1: he had a couple misses. He had a pick six

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Speaker 2: That touchdown was easy. Again, you said third string the safety.

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Speaker 1: Stir It's not easy. He came across to like his

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Speaker 2: Within six yards of him, I could have made that throw.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, I might not have been able to

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for Anthony Richards and I don't want want

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Speaker 2: He was fine.

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Speaker 1: That was a good drive. All I mean is he

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Speaker 2: The limited amount last year we saw. I thought that

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Speaker 2: through his accuracy issues and fumble issues. But other you know,

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Speaker 2: he looked great when when he was playing.

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Speaker 1: It's just a reminder how little we know of this dude.

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Speaker 1: I think there's almost an artificial expectation and I'm part

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Speaker 1: a team I'm excited about. This is an AFC South

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Speaker 1: themed show. I don't know if you know this, Nick.

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Speaker 1: I have Seth Payne, former Houston Texan, who I really like,

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Speaker 1: He's going to be talking Texans. And then John Shipley,

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Speaker 1: talking Jaguars. Because I'm into this division, it's not really

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Speaker 1: I just feel like this division has never had any juice,

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Speaker 1: Colts team could contend if Richardson is good enough. What

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Speaker 2: And and I don't really want to focus on them.

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Speaker 2: I want to focus on the Jaguar. I'm sorry the Jaguars. YEA,

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens. That their defense should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a fun division and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: sensing some Richardson doubt from Herbstreet. It's usually very positive,

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Speaker 1: years and they've been up and down. Even the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: thing was fun, but like, let's not get carried away

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Speaker 2: I mean Flacco, great career, you know, good run last year.

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Speaker 2: He I mean he's my age or your age or something.

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Speaker 2: He can't play anymore. I mean he can still get

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Speaker 2: give him times, he can time the throw. He can

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Speaker 2: still pick passes. But yeah, that's not going to be

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If Richardson gets hurt, it's fun. You bring him in.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point. And he could fill in. He

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Speaker 1: showed he can do that, but there's no chance. Wait,

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Speaker 1: how I always forget that because Chris Westling five years

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Speaker 1: older than me to the day, born on the same birthday.

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Speaker 1: I always took a little pride in that thought. That

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Speaker 1: Are you older than me?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm older than you. I'm about to be forty

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Speaker 2: seven in a month.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Bengals, Look, they didn't play Jermaine Burton, who

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Speaker 1: So that explained maybe why they won't play him. A

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Speaker 1: every game they always put him against these fourth stringers

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Speaker 2: I love watching the Chiefs play.

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Speaker 1: kind of like, all right enough for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Finally, the team that I thought would be their main

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Speaker 1: rival was Justin Herbert and the Bengal and the Chargers. Rather,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget uh. You know, the last season we

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Speaker 1: had with Chris Uh, we watched the Chiefs chart Chargers game,

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Speaker 1: actually at Chris's house and Lakeisha's mom UH was hanging

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Speaker 1: out and came over and she was getting She loved

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Speaker 1: she loved that Chiefs Chargers matchup, and she was going crazy.

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Speaker 1: That was a fun memory. And they always played them tight,

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Speaker 1: but they always find a way to lose in the end.

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Speaker 1: And now they're not even playing them tight anymore. I

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Speaker 1: bring up all that just to say that Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: was back at practice, and according to Daniel Popper at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic, it was one of the best practices he's

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Speaker 1: ever seen Justin Herbert play quarterbacking at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: It's a rare training camp report like that that actually

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Speaker 1: influences me because I was so freaked out about this

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Speaker 1: foot injury. I thought this their season might be done

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Speaker 1: before it started. Maybe I'll get hurt again. But hearing

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Speaker 1: that that makes that makes me happy as someone that

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Speaker 1: wants to see some fun football by the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the league's a better when when he's

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Speaker 2: playing well because he's an exciting quarterback, doesn't mind throwing

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Speaker 2: the ball downfield and into tight windows. So it's fun

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Speaker 2: to watch the Chargers play when he's playing well. So

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Speaker 2: let's hope it's good. And I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how many opportunities they'll get to throw on the tight

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Speaker 2: windows this year, but.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? I mean they'll probably all be

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Speaker 1: tight windows unfortunately. Yeah, you just saying they're going to

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Speaker 1: run the ball and they're going to be in trouble. Yeah, Chris.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris was a true believer in Herbert. He

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Speaker 1: enjoyed he enjoyed watching him those couple of years, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think he would have been surprised how

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Speaker 1: the next few have gone. Not that Herbert's played poorly,

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Speaker 1: but just that it's really he hasn't gotten any better,

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Speaker 1: and the team around hims gotten worse facts.

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Speaker 2: I don't have anything to add to that. That was perfect.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you what you said today. Everything was perfect

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Speaker 1: to Nick, and it's always good to see you. I

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Speaker 1: got to check the schedule see when the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: on in primetime and get you on for those shows.

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Speaker 1: But I like your analysis any old night, so we

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Speaker 1: should have you back before then.

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Speaker 2: Even then, anytime, Greg.

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Speaker 1: All right, that was Nick. We're going to take a

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Speaker 1: quick break and I'll be back with Seth Payne. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk some Texans after the break back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: So you know one thing I'm excited about with this show.

483
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Speaker 1: We're gonna cover every team, but we do have the

484
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Speaker 1: space here with Daily to really get into certain teams

485
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Speaker 1: I find fascinating in a given moment of time, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited about this kind of AFC South

487
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Speaker 1: focused show. We talk Colts already. I'm digging the AFC

488
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Speaker 1: South this year, and they're young quarterbacks, so we're kind

489
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Speaker 1: of running out of time. Season's about to start, and

490
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to set the table for what's at

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Speaker 1: stake this season in this division. That's been an afterthought

492
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Speaker 1: frankly for most of the time I've been at the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But now you have a division with four young quarterbacks,

494
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Speaker 1: three of them top five picks, all of them extremely talented.

495
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Speaker 1: Let's be real, like one of them, c J. Stroud,

496
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Speaker 1: is above the rest. And one of these teams, to me,

497
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Speaker 1: just in terms of being the team of the moment,

498
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Speaker 1: is above the rest. And that's the Houston Texans. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited to have on former Houston Texan

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Speaker 1: Seth Payne, co host of The Pain and Pendergast on

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio six ' ten in Houston Show and a man.

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Speaker 1: Before I even let you speak, Seth, I'm gonna just

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Speaker 1: you know, so the listeners know on YouTube just what

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Speaker 1: they're kind of dealing with. Your your trim and fit now.

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Speaker 1: But this is what Seth Pain looked like as a rookie,

506
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Speaker 1: uh in the NFL. I believe that's a rookie. That

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Speaker 1: was Jaguars Man.

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Speaker 3: That's so much creating.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really suggest anyone check it out.

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Speaker 1: It's I get you gotta. I don't know if you

511
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Speaker 1: want this. If I were you, I would want this

512
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Speaker 1: being the first thing that comes up when you google

513
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Speaker 1: the name Seth Pain, because this is pretty much it

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Speaker 1: right here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all. I'm happily married, so I'm scaring off women.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't bow bother me at all, gladly use That's not

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Speaker 5: what I looked like when I met my wife. Yeah

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Speaker 5: that was probably my rookie my rookie years. So yeah,

519
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Speaker 5: that's that's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Randy, But yeah, Okay, I was gonna say, I'm

521
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Speaker 1: gonna feel intimidated and uncomfortable if you leave it up

522
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Speaker 1: any any longer. But yeah, Seth now is down there

523
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Speaker 1: doing awesome work. One of my favorite voices out there

524
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Speaker 1: on any team. And you just came right off the field,

525
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Speaker 1: so I actually I'll just start there. You had a

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Speaker 1: joint practice. Those are always to me the most interesting

527
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Speaker 1: days of the off season. Texans and Rams. Any takeaways

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Speaker 1: just from today while you were there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so they were practicing the Rams, which is cool.

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Speaker 5: Matt Stafford practiced And I'll say the Texans defense has

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Speaker 5: looked good throughout camp. They made a lot of off season

532
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Speaker 5: additions and it looks like it it might be paying off.

533
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Speaker 5: You never know until you get to the regular season.

534
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Speaker 5: But the defense looked good. The offense looked weak at

535
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Speaker 5: offensive line.

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Speaker 3: I think CJ.

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Speaker 5: Stroud looked great throwing to step on Diggs and Tank

538
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Speaker 5: Dell and Nico Collins like that.

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Speaker 3: That's been a lot of fun to watch.

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Speaker 5: But the offensive line is a bit of a work

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Speaker 5: in progress, and the Rams defensive line had their way

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Speaker 5: with them a bunch of times. So like in the

543
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Speaker 5: quest to be the San Francisco forty nine ers, that

544
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Speaker 5: means elite passing offense and elite rushing offense. I feel

545
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Speaker 5: like they are long ways off from the elite rushing

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Speaker 5: offense part right.

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Speaker 1: Now, hmmm because of the O line. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: Tunsl's back out there, right and yeah, paper they have,

549
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Speaker 1: you know, a good, good tackle combo. I guess the

550
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Speaker 1: question is in the interior. And yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to I wasn't playing in a start negative, but if

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Speaker 1: if you asked me to be like, what could be

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Speaker 1: the problem for this Houston Texas I guess that's it.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about it, but that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: come together because yeah, you look at the numbers and

556
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Speaker 1: they were one of the worst running teams in the

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Speaker 1: entire NFL last year.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, no, and that's trust me. Like We've had

559
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Speaker 5: a whole off season of fun and frivolity, and it's

560
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Speaker 5: been really cool to watch all of this come together.

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Speaker 3: I like CJ. Stroud is the real deal.

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Speaker 5: I try to step away and take off my Homer

563
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Speaker 5: glasses as much as possible, but he's the real deal.

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Speaker 5: And you know, Stefan Diggs, his history is the first

565
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Speaker 5: two years he's anywhere. Everything's awesome, so I'm not worried

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Speaker 5: about it. They got him on a one year contract,

567
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Speaker 5: so I don't like, I don't foresee any issues on

568
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Speaker 5: that side of things. I think the defense is going

569
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Speaker 5: to be very good rushing the passer. I just I

570
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Speaker 5: like all off season long as I listen to people

571
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Speaker 5: outside of Houston gush and heat praise and like I'm talking,

572
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Speaker 5: you know, like the hardcore film watchers and everything heat praise.

573
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Speaker 5: On the Texans, I did feel like they were whistling

574
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Speaker 5: past the run game issue a little too easily. And

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Speaker 5: I like Joe Mixon. I'm glad he's here. You know,

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to be you know, set

577
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Speaker 5: records or anything like that, but the whole operation, the

578
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Speaker 5: blocking of the offensive line and the tight ends and

579
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Speaker 5: a fullback whose name will be determined later apparently right now,

580
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Speaker 5: it's it needs to get better if they want to

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Speaker 5: be genuinely elite, because they weren't that good in the

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Speaker 5: red zone last year, and so far in the preseason

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Speaker 5: it hasn't looked so great either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting too because the Rams are young upfront,

585
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Speaker 1: but they they could be They could be pretty good,

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Speaker 1: better than people think. And that's interesting. These joint practices,

587
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Speaker 1: I feel like, especially if you had a bad one previously,

588
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Speaker 1: it's all the Rams have been doing is having Jordan

589
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Speaker 1: practice and come out for the next one all fired up.

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Speaker 1: But that's good to think about. How did Mixon look,

591
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Speaker 1: by the way, because he was on my radar that

592
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Speaker 1: he missed so much of camp early and he's been

593
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Speaker 1: a guy that at the beginning of each of the

594
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Speaker 1: last two seasons, I'm like, Oh, Joe Mixon's back, and

595
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Speaker 1: I love Joe Mixon just as a as a runner,

596
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Speaker 1: just his style of running. And then he was someone

597
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Speaker 1: like if you watched him from week one and then

598
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Speaker 1: it was week eight, just wasn't like, I don't know

599
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Speaker 1: if his body was breaking down, he just wasn't the

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Speaker 1: same guy by the middle of the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 5: I think with Mixon, for one. Yeah, there's because he

602
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Speaker 5: was gone for he practiced the first day my radio

603
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Speaker 5: co host Sean Pendergast, so I'm kind of rubbing his

604
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Speaker 5: squad after that practice, just as he was talking to

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Speaker 5: a family member or something, and then, yeah, your soft

606
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Speaker 5: tissue injury was gone for a couple of weeks. It's

607
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Speaker 5: noticeably different when he's on the field versus other running backs.

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Speaker 5: He's just you know how he is. He's way bigger

609
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Speaker 5: when you see him in person than you expect, Like

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Speaker 5: he's a big, fast, athletic dude. He looks like Joe Mixon,

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Speaker 5: and I think he'll be just fine. Us to get

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Speaker 5: the absolute most out of him. The thing I'm curious

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Speaker 5: about in the difference between being in Cincinnati and being

614
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Speaker 5: here is that in Cincinnati they had kind of transitioned

615
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Speaker 5: into being a team that was in shotgun all the time.

616
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Speaker 5: And Joe Mixon is at his best when he's QB

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Speaker 5: under center. He's seven yards deep in the backfield and

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Speaker 5: he can just hit it. And this offense will do

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Speaker 5: that a lot. So as long as the offensive line

620
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Speaker 5: can get in sync, I think he's going to be

621
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Speaker 5: just fine. I just want to be able to maximize it.

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Speaker 5: One little interesting part of that too, was with the

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Speaker 5: Rams in town. I was talking to Jordan Rodrik, who

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Speaker 5: covers them for the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Daily too. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was so excited fanboyd Over because I

628
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Speaker 5: love that play Callers podcast, and like, cam Akers is

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Speaker 5: with the Texans right now. So cam Acres comes to

630
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Speaker 5: the Texans after a second Achilles tendon tear, and when

631
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Speaker 5: they first signed him, I was like, Oh, don't pay attention.

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Speaker 5: He just had his second Achilles tendon tear. It's just

633
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Speaker 5: that's an experiment. The first day he was out there like,

634
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Speaker 5: oh wow, I never would have thought that guy had

635
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Speaker 5: a second Achilles ten and turned nine months ago. So

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Speaker 5: I was talking to Jordan about it, you know. And

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Speaker 5: one of the things with cam Akers was that the

638
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Speaker 5: Rams transitioned away from being an outside zone running team

639
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Speaker 5: and it just not quite the same fit for cam Akers,

640
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Speaker 5: whereas the Texans are an outside zone running team and

641
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Speaker 5: cam Akers might be a better fit with the Texans.

642
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Speaker 5: But also at the same time, we're watching Damian Pierce

643
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Speaker 5: in the preseason game so far average one yard per

644
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Speaker 5: carry on seven carries. It's just it's not feeling good

645
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Speaker 5: for Damian right now. And I think Cam might end

646
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Speaker 5: up if he's healthy, et cetera, et cetera, like he

647
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Speaker 5: might actually end up being a much better option than

648
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Speaker 5: I gave them credit for when they signed him.

649
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Speaker 1: It's funny that camp in the preseason so long, and

650
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing this show daily, that it's long enough for

651
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: narratives to turn in on themselves by the end of it.

652
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Because I was all excited about all like Damian Pierce,

653
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: maybe this is the comeback season. He did something as

654
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: rookie year. All right, let's get to the fund. Let's

655
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: get to the reason why you were right. You said

656
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: the people nationally. I don't know if you're including me

657
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: in that, like the film watchers.

658
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: I'm part of the cool group.

659
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm I mean I would take it.

660
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: I mean I am.

661
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: I am high on the Texans. How can you not be?

662
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: They are the team to me at the moment, like

663
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: they are. I thought they should have been in that

664
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Speaker 1: kickoff game. It's crazy to say a game between Lamar

665
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Jackson and Patrick Mahomes would be maybe more interesting with

666
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: the Texans. But I guess when I think of the

667
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: kickoff game, I like the idea of the champ versus

668
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: like some new challenger, and the Texans are that team

669
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: and they feel more real than even the Lions felt

670
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: at this time of year ago when they were that

671
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: team and they delivered on it because of Stroud. And

672
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: you've gotten to see, you know, this kid from from

673
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: day one and the maduration and obviously he's got more

674
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: than enough weapons around him this year, and kind of

675
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: how he manages that as a leader, I think is interesting,

676
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: but also just how you think he manages that and

677
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: develops as a quarterback, because we've seen so many times

678
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks really develop so much between one and two, and

679
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: if you think about that with Stroud, that's just going

680
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: to be insane. Just kind of give me, give me

681
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: your impressions. Being around him and this team for a

682
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: year plus now.

683
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: The really cool thing about Stroud last year was you

684
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: could kind of you could see the stages of development.

685
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 5: So the first the first game versus the Ravens, they

686
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 5: come out and Bobby Slowick and Bobby Slogan has basically

687
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: said this much himself, did that classic first time coordinator

688
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: thing where they tried to do all the good stuff

689
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 5: all at once, and it was just a little bit

690
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 5: of overload. You know, they had multiple guys in motion

691
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: and everything while they're playing with three backup offensive linemen,

692
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: and it was a little too much. And then over

693
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: the first the course of those first two games against

694
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: the Ravens and the Colts, CJ took eleven sacks in

695
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: those two games, and then all of a sudden, CJ

696
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: didn't get sacked for several games in a row after that,

697
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: like he figured out, all right, I got to get

698
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 5: rid of the ball. Sometimes, you know, you saw him

699
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 5: really steadily learn what he could and couldn't get away

700
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 5: with in terms of interceptions. Sometimes people look at his

701
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 5: completion percentage, which wasn't sky high last year, and they

702
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: think of that as like, oh, maybe he wasn't as

703
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: accurate as he thought.

704
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: He was as we thought he was. No, he was

705
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: super accurate.

706
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: It was he was very mature in terms of throwing

707
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: the ball away or throwing passes that were either going

708
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: to be caught or incomplete, but not interceptions. So like

709
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 5: the ball and some of his incompletion percentage is actually

710
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: due to his accuracy and his ability to throw to

711
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: a safe place. So his you know, only throwing five

712
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 5: interceptions on the year was something that developed over time,

713
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: and like his ability to start to I think understand

714
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: and feel the pass rush was really cool. And it's

715
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 5: one thing that they talked about they're working on this

716
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 5: training camp is just the efficient pocket movement, you know,

717
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: taking one step instead of three, you know, just moving

718
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: in the pocket instead of scrambling. And and I think

719
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: he's taken a step in that regard. So it's kind

720
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 5: of like it's all this stuff that you hope your

721
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 5: quarterback develops by year three so you can make a

722
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 5: decision on whether or not to give him that quarterback extension.

723
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: I feel like he he kind of fast forwarded through

724
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 5: a lot of those those processes last year, and and

725
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: I honestly I tried to. I sought out every Kurt Warner,

726
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: Dan Orlovsky, jt Osullivan, every former quarterback that breaks down film,

727
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 5: just looking for guys to point out where maybe it

728
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: wasn't actually that good, and like they're just they're universally

729
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: blown away by how quickly he moved through that part

730
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 5: of it. So that's that's a really cool thing. And

731
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 5: yet at the same time he I think he remains

732
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: very humble about it. I know a lot of I

733
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: know he talked a lot of smack on podcasts in

734
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: the offseason, but he's like he's still got it. He's

735
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: got the appropriate size chip on his shoulder. You know,

736
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 5: it's not a it's not a John Man's El sized

737
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 5: chip on his shoulder, and it's it's just the right

738
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: size of chip to keep attention, to keep him focused.

739
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. He just seems like a

740
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: guy you would want to hang out with. I mean,

741
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: he's the guy that I think that makes you feel things.

742
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: He makes me feel feel at watching him, And you

743
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: mentioned the pocket movement. I mean, to me, I'm sure

744
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: he could get better at that, but just his natural

745
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: feel that's tough to teach, and it reminds me a

746
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: little bit of some of the greats I've enjoyed watching

747
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: and just the style of quarterback I like, whether it's

748
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: whether it's a Brady or a Rivers or a Geno

749
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: even like on a lower level, but even just he

750
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: reminds you of those guys and that he just obviously

751
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like one of those guys in terms of

752
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: how he carries himself. He does seem like a guy

753
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: and you can speak to the all these weapons here

754
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: that I think would be uniquely suited for a second

755
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: year player to kind of handle and understand to keep

756
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: everyone happy. Because look at by the end of last

757
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: year was just Nico Collins as like a big time playmaker.

758
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Now it's Dell healthy again looking good. Steph On Diggs

759
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: is their Nego Collins and then they're deep. I expect

760
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: them and we don't need to get into who this

761
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: will be, but they have the best like wide receiver

762
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: six and seven in the in the league. They have

763
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Robert Woods and David Hutchinson, who is

764
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: a good young player. And who am I forgetting metchy,

765
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: Like someone's gonna get.

766
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: Treated started taken off? Yeah in the last come right.

767
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: Someone's going to get traded here. And I don't even

768
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: need to it does it for our purposes? It's not

769
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: that big a deal because they have so many stars, Like,

770
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: how do you see him just like as a guy

771
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: that's to me going to be one of the faces

772
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: of the league and certainly the face of Houston Sports

773
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: for the next ten plus years.

774
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 5: I think the the pairing of him and Bobby Slowick

775
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: has been really good in terms of just the x's

776
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 5: and O side of things. I think the pairing of

777
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 5: Demico Ryans and c J. Stroud and their personalities and

778
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 5: their commitment to kind of doing things a certain way.

779
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: I think that's where it could be really, really good.

780
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 5: And you know, you've got a defensive minded head coach,

781
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: so at some point Bobby Slowick's probably going to get

782
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: hired away to be a head coach somewhere. You're gonna

783
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 5: have to replace that offensive coordinator. I think the biggest

784
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: thing that I noticed about CJ away from the x's

785
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 5: and o's is and I'll credit Ryan Day and the

786
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 5: staff at Ohio State for a lot of this. He's

787
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: he takes the leadership part of it very seriously and

788
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: it's not just some stuff that he's read in a book.

789
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: Like he talks all the time, and you know, you

790
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 5: see in his actions he really wants to form personal

791
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: relationships with everybody on the team and really get to

792
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 5: know them so that they trust each other and that

793
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 5: everybody you know, is moving in.

794
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: The same direction.

795
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: And with that, you know, we saw him in training

796
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 5: camp this year really start to take on more of

797
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 5: that actual captain of the ship mentality. You know, he's

798
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: he's correcting guys he's calling him up when the practice

799
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 5: isn't going well and he's doing all that, but it

800
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 5: doesn't It feels very very natural because he took his

801
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: time in building to that, and I think he feels

802
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 5: more comfortable and he feels like this is last time

803
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 5: this year he still didn't know if he was going

804
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: to be the starting quarterback, where obviously this year he's

805
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: the starting quarterback.

806
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: Right, and it's gonna be fun that that's such a

807
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: fun week one game them and the Colts. You mentioned Demiko,

808
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: and he just won another award from last year. I

809
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: don't even know what this. It was some sort of

810
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: coaching board and he.

811
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: Pro Football Writers' Association, that's something or other.

812
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did do a great job because I

813
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: one thing I thought he did a good job was

814
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: he took players that just weren't as good under other coaches,

815
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: whether they were on the Texans or whether they came

816
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: in guys like Blake Cashman, Christian Harris and various players,

817
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: and he made them better. And like that's ye. Belichick

818
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: always said, like that was all you got to do,

819
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: is like if you can just show someone how to improve,

820
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: they're going to love you. And trust you. And obviously

821
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: he's he's a great leader and everyone likes him as

822
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: a person, but you also need that part of it. Now,

823
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: it seems like he has a better roster. It feels

824
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: like Daniel Hunter is an upgrade from Grenard. They tried

825
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: to upgrade a little bit at linebacker. They drafted Kamari Lassiter.

826
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: Just feels like they're more talented. I've heard people who've

827
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: come in and out of Houston this month, and people

828
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: have seen a lot of training camps and everyone's just like, Wow,

829
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: this seems so talented. There's so many good players everywhere.

830
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: As a former defensive lineman, just give me a way

831
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: or you're most excited, you're most impressed, you're most surprised

832
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: out of this camp.

833
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: All right, good. You mentioned a couple of the big names.

834
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: Danil Hunter man, I'm guilty of this, like of not

835
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 5: having really appreciated just like how freakishly good he is

836
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. Are just what a physical

837
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 5: freak he is. That dude's a that dude's a freak,

838
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 5: and it's cool and fun to watch him work with

839
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 5: Will Anderson. Kamari Lassiter is understandably I think flying under

840
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: the radar in a lot of ways outside of Houston.

841
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 5: He's had a really good camp and he's you know,

842
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: he's got he You talk about teaching somebody to swim

843
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 5: by throwing him in the pond. He is out there

844
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 5: from day one going against Stefan Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank

845
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 5: Dell and and he's battled them like he's battled them.

846
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 5: And today at practice against the Rams, it's like, every

847
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 5: time I looked over to the defensive side of the field,

848
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: he was breaking up a Matt Stafford pass. It was like,

849
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: he's he's doing really really well. So isn't the regular

850
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: you know, you've got to do it in the regular season,

851
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: but that looks really good. Al Shire is probably an

852
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 5: under heralded signing because I don't think al Shire them

853
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 5: the linebacker.

854
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: He's not.

855
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: He's not going to be an All Pro or anything likely,

856
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 5: but he's he's Demiko Ryans in a lot of way,

857
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 5: Like in terms of cause I played my last year

858
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: in the NFL was Demiko's rookie year, and Demiko was

859
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 5: this guy that came onto the team and you know,

860
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 5: by you know, by by midway through his rookie season,

861
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 5: we're calling.

862
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: Him cap for captain.

863
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: Wow, because that's like just and you try to explain

864
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 5: it to people, and people talk so much about culture,

865
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 5: and then it just becomes white noise because every coach

866
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 5: comes in and says they're going to establish the culture

867
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 5: and then usually they you know, they make exception here,

868
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 5: they don't really follow the motivational poster there.

869
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: It's just this is just who Dimiko is.

870
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 5: He's one of the rarest individuals I've met in football,

871
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: and it's hard to describe and explain sometimes until you

872
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 5: see it. And it's really cool. This year, I think

873
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 5: you start to see that. I think the team's taken

874
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 5: on his personality and and that part of it. Like,

875
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: I like, I'm as jaded and as cynical as the

876
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: rest when it comes to talk about that stuff for

877
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: all the reasons I just mentioned, But it's but Dimiko's

878
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: just different.

879
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: What made he jaded? Just seeing a few different coaches

880
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: that weren't weren't at Tomiko's level as a players. They Ah,

881
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of change. I gotta say I

882
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: was kind of on the why let that Kissario pick

883
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: another head coach who knows if he even really was

884
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: one that picked Tamiko Ryans, but credit to the Texans

885
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: because the Broncos wanted him and he chose the Texans

886
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: and that changed everything. And and ultimately they've been proven

887
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: right because Casserio's had a lot of good players brought in.

888
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 5: You know what part of it is, man, I mean,

889
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: there was a lot of dysfunction in the organization for

890
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: a couple of years.

891
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: And like part of it.

892
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to get too deep into of all

893
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 5: of this, but if you look at the Chiefs when

894
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: they when they first transferred ownership, after I'm blinking on

895
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: his name passed away, there was like a little bit

896
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 5: of turmoil for a little bit. And I think I

897
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: think after Bob McNair passed away and and Cal his

898
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: son took over, there were a lot of different voices

899
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 5: and a lot of different people kind of grabbing power,

900
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: and it was an ugly situation. So like there was

901
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: only so much David Cully or Lovey Smith was going

902
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: to be able to do. They fixed some of that

903
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 5: and they righted the ship in a lot of regards.

904
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: And the thing about Cassaria was, you know, Casario took.

905
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: The job, you know, and without getting the timeline exactly

906
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 5: nailed down, basically Casario took the job, and then Deshaun

907
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: Watson requested a trade, and then all of the allegations

908
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 5: came out against the show on Watson and meanwhile there

909
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: was a salary cap mess because Bill O'Brien and Jackie

910
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 5: should be went hog wild spending like they spending like

911
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: hillbillies who just won the lottery, and so like Casario

912
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: had to clean that up. And I did think that,

913
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 5: you know, Casario, he was very impressed with Demiko on

914
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: the call. I do believe that it was going to

915
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 5: be Casario's choice on making that higher.

916
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: A lot of people were skeptical.

917
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 5: That Demiko would want to come here, or that the

918
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 5: McNair's would want Tomko because you know, Demiko had sued

919
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: them for the field conditions.

920
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: A few years back.

921
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 5: There was that side of it, and then the Texans

922
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 5: did not have good pr at the time. I just

923
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: I knew from the beginning that Demiko and Casario were

924
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 5: going to get along great because they're both They've got

925
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: much different personalities, but they're both very focused on ignoring

926
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 5: extraneous bs and like just caring about the podcast like

927
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: them Yeah, yeah, any uh, the stupid media or just

928
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: even like like old school coaching bs, you know, like there,

929
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 5: Casario's not trying to be Bill Belichick. Casario is just

930
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: very much his own guy, and I think he pulled

931
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 5: he pulled some really good things from New England. But

932
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 5: he also understands that every organization is different and you

933
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 5: don't want to go the way as some of those

934
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: other like like head coaches have gone from out of

935
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 5: New England.

936
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not Maybe you guys do do a podcast,

937
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: but maybe they make it into back up. But that's

938
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: four hours on the radio every morning. You know, I

939
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: cannot talk anything about suddenly going daily when you're doing

940
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: four hours daily. One of my favorites, Seth Pain. Let

941
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: let's fly another pick of Seth Pain up here before

942
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: we go, just so that's let the listeners know what

943
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: they're dealing.

944
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, be impressed, everybody.

945
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm impressed. I'm impressed. Great career in the

946
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: NFL and great career as a guy in the media.

947
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: One of my favorites. And uh, look he lucked out

948
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: one of his former teammates becomes the local head coach.

949
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: That's perfect. That that can't be bad business. That's got

950
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: to be great. Thank you for everything. This team to me,

951
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: they are like they are the team right now, the

952
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: Houston Texas amazing to think where they were where they are.

953
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: But we'll get you back on later in the season

954
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: to see how they're doing.

955
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: Awesome, Man, I'm sorry I was negative. They just got

956
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: to get the run game going.

957
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: No, you weren't negative at all. Come into it next

958
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: after the break. We're gonna have John Shipley talking to

959
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Jaguars right after this. Very excited for my next guest,

960
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: John Shipley, who writes for SI dot com about the Jaguars.

961
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: He co hosts the Jaguars on SI dot Com podcast

962
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: with Gus log who's also excellent and sounds a little

963
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: too much like John Shipley at first. I want you

964
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: to work on that for me, John, like I have

965
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: to figure out who's who. Well, we can get into

966
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: what a good job you do, John, But I just

967
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: want to start this way. You analyze this team from

968
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: a very considered, intelligent, I would say, unemotional perspective. But

969
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: what if I told you there's just something about this

970
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars team, like I don't know what to do with.

971
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: They're just there, like they're not that great at any

972
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: one thing, but they're not that bad at any one thing.

973
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: So I start just asking you, like, what are the Jaguars.

974
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, this is my six year covering them like that,

975
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 6: probably like five out of six years, Like last year

976
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 6: is the only year I've been around them where there

977
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 6: were really expectations, And it definitely feels like how they

978
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 6: finished last year, like they were the biggest collapse in football.

979
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 4: Last year.

980
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 6: You know, start eight and three, lose five your last

981
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: six games. They lost the last five games Trevor Lawrence started,

982
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 6: they'd probably lose their last six and they don't play

983
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 6: you know, Bryce Young and to marry Bunch in Carolina

984
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 6: in week seventeen. So definitely feels like a lot of

985
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 6: the feelings around Jacksonville are rooted in how bad last

986
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 6: year ended, and it's on to blame them. They've gone

987
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 6: nine in eight the past two years. They just kind

988
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 6: of feel like, you know, like if nine in eight

989
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 6: was a football team. It kind of feels like the

990
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 6: Jacksonville Jaguars as organization right now, Like you said, not

991
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 6: one of the worst teams, but nobody I think, even

992
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 6: locally it's ex them to like threatening like the Kansas

993
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: City Chiefs or Baltimore Ravens or anything like.

994
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: That, which is crazy because if you think about the

995
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: trajectory of this team, you know, they get Trevor Lawrence

996
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: as hyped up a quarterback prospect as there's been since

997
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, and then they have the end of the

998
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: twenty two season, they play the Chiefs pretty tough in

999
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City, like it felt like the start of something,

1000
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: and then the end of last year. You mentioned it,

1001
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and I know Jaguars fans are probably sensitive about this that, like,

1002
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess this is the upside. Like if that was

1003
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: the Giants, who at the end of the last season,

1004
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: like that just would have been something the entire NFL

1005
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: and the media is talking about, you know, for the

1006
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: entire offseason and everything. But instead it's the Jaguars. And

1007
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I look at this roster and I actually think there's

1008
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: more reasons for optimism than there has been, including going

1009
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: into last year. I was pretty down on the Jaguars

1010
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: going into last year, just that they you know that

1011
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: they couldn't necessarily keep up keep it up. And they're

1012
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: interesting to me because they risk getting passed, you know,

1013
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: not just by the Texans and their young QB, but

1014
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: possibly the Colts and their young QB, So I kind

1015
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: of want to go back to Trevor because to me

1016
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: that the clear reason that might not be true that

1017
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: the Jaguars could win this division is just like, well,

1018
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: what if our QB is the transcending QB. What if

1019
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, in his fourth year he takes everything he's

1020
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: learned and the new weapons around him and like he's

1021
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the division. They have a chance

1022
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: to win this division. Kind Of where are you at

1023
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: just with Trevor and his development and everything that's led

1024
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: him here.

1025
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, It honestly like it's a pretty good microtism of

1026
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 6: like just how NFL media and fans I think consume

1027
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 6: the sport.

1028
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 4: It's more like what have you done for me lately?

1029
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 6: You know, like Anthony Richardson is the new shiny toy

1030
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 6: in Ananapolis, CJ Shroud, you know, he's pretty much on

1031
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 6: every top ten quarterback list you can think of. A

1032
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 6: shot con you know, met with local media uh Ale

1033
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 6: months ago, any more or less, was like it feels

1034
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: like deja vu with how the Texans are being talked

1035
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 6: about the same way the Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence being

1036
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 6: talked about a year earlier. But you know, somebody knew,

1037
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 6: somebody fresh comes in and does what people expect you

1038
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 6: to do, they're.

1039
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: Gonna jump you.

1040
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 6: So I think when I watched you know, Trevor Lawrence,

1041
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 6: you know him and CJ. Shradd last year, I think

1042
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: it was Week eleven in Houston when the Jaguars beat them,

1043
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 6: it was like if it wasn't you know, the Jacksonville Jaguars,

1044
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 6: and like if it wasn't like an AFC South Battle,

1045
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of more people would have

1046
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 6: came away from that game thinking like we just saw

1047
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 6: two like long time ten year franchise quarterbacks, like you

1048
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 6: get out for four quarters and then awesome back and forth.

1049
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 6: I think Trevor and CJ. I'd probably lump them like

1050
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 6: in the same tier. And I think inside the building,

1051
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 6: you know, the Jaguars, the issues that they have with

1052
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence are less about like, you know, him missing

1053
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 6: open receivers, his decision making. It's more about asking him

1054
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 6: to like tone it down a little bit in what

1055
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 6: he's trying to do and understand that, hey, you're the

1056
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 6: franchise quarterback. Some of these things you're doing, you know,

1057
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 6: maybe that you did at Clemson, you can't do it

1058
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 6: because you have, you know, legitimately, like hundreds of jobs.

1059
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 6: They're relying on you and your health. It goes back

1060
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 6: to the Dampa the Bay game I think they played

1061
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 6: on Christmas Eve last year. They get completely destroyed second

1062
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: half of the game. I think it was like late

1063
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 6: third quarter. They're down by like twenty plus points, and

1064
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 6: Trevor scrambles out of the pocket and he lows his

1065
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 6: shoulder against the defensive back while he's going out of bounds,

1066
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 6: ends up getting a shoulder sprain. Isn't one hundred percent

1067
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 6: healthy against Tennessee Titans two weeks later. Those are the

1068
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 6: kind of things I think internally they want Trevor to

1069
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 6: improve at, just that protecting yourself, having the more you know,

1070
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 6: I guess situational and self awareness. But I think, you know,

1071
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 6: the Jaguars struggles last year, I think maybe little of

1072
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 6: it had to do with Trevor loren Is playing bad football,

1073
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 6: if that makes sense. You know, sometimes he definitely pushed

1074
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 6: the envelope too much, especially with you know, ball security,

1075
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 6: trying to be superman on every play. I think a

1076
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 6: lot of reasons that they worrying three to begin with

1077
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 6: was with Trevor and going into this year, you know,

1078
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Speaker 6: you asked me to list of top ten concerns I

1079
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Speaker 6: have for the Jaguars, I'm not sure Trevor's you know,

1080
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 6: even on the list. So he's definitely you know, it's

1081
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 6: kind of a weird dynamic with him because he hasn't

1082
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 6: met those expectations people set for him. But the expectations

1083
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 6: people set for him was like to be like Hall

1084
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 6: of Fame players basically, you know, after three or four years,

1085
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 6: and he's not there yet. But I certainly think he's

1086
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 6: a quarterback that you win because of and not in spotos.

1087
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, but I'm also part of

1088
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: the problem because you know, if I'm ranking the quarterbacks,

1089
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: we did that going into this year, it's like stroud

1090
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: to me right off the bat, And maybe I'm just

1091
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: getting too excited because to see a rookie do that,

1092
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: like I do put him up in that like has

1093
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: a chance to be top five or six this year,

1094
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: and like was close to that already. And Trevor is

1095
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: obviously your quarterback. He's obviously above what we used to

1096
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: call the Dalton line of like he is a franchise quarterback.

1097
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. I think it's just the

1098
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: range of outcomes of what his career can be. Is

1099
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: multiple time pro bowler or I think it's unfair to say,

1100
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, but a couple

1101
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: of tiers higher. So you watch him every day, and

1102
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: I do want to stay on Trevor just one more question,

1103
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: because like, what what do we not like know about him? Like,

1104
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: first of all, how's he looked in practice in camp

1105
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: and then just sort of like a little bit behind

1106
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: the scenes of how he's kind of developed into this

1107
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: role of being like the most important guy in an

1108
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: entire franchise.

1109
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, for sure, I think so. He definitely

1110
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 6: had a slower start to training camp this year. Kind

1111
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 6: of the mo or Trevor Lawrence and training camp the

1112
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 6: last couple of years has been he starts out right

1113
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 6: hot and its shed in the defense, and then as

1114
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 6: the defense catches up, you know, it normally slows down

1115
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 6: a little bit. There's kind of the reverse this year,

1116
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 6: and they went from practicing against Mike Caldwell's scheme where

1117
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 6: the corners are you know, practically ten year olds off

1118
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 6: the ball. There's you know, easier windows or quick throws stuff,

1119
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 6: like that to you know, Ryan Nielsen's scheme where receivers

1120
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 6: are getting pressed at the line of scrimmage seeing a

1121
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 6: law too high coverage, and you could tell it was

1122
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 6: a big adjustment for passing offense. Like through the first

1123
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 6: I want to say four or five practices, I think

1124
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 6: he had four or five picks. He threw two picks

1125
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 6: to Andrew Winger in one practice, and you know it's

1126
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 6: a good like special teams player, but he should be

1127
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 6: taking off your star quarterback twice in one practice. And

1128
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 6: then but also that it really seems like he settled

1129
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 6: into a groove. I'd say the last probably like two

1130
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 6: or three weeks is as consistent as I've seen, you know,

1131
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence in training camp practices. I feel like skill

1132
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 6: room they have around him kind of fits his skill

1133
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 6: set a little bit better than the last couple of years.

1134
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 6: Like Calvin Ridley is by far the best receiver he's

1135
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 6: ever had, but just looking at the whole room together,

1136
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: you know, he's never really had a pure deep threat

1137
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 6: like he has and BTJ. You know, Gave Davis is

1138
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 6: a bigger body than Jay Jones, a little bit better

1139
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 6: over the middle. They're not asking Marvin Jones to run

1140
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 6: vertical routes at like age thirty three anymore.

1141
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 4: So things are a little bit better around him.

1142
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 6: I think behind the scenes and even during practice, I

1143
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 6: think you're seeing him kind of take the reins more

1144
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 6: and be more vocal. They had joint practices against the

1145
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: Tampa Bay Buccaneers last week and I had him. I

1146
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 6: think he was like sacked, like they weren't taking them

1147
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 6: to the ground, but it would have been a clear

1148
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: sack like six different times and team drills and by

1149
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 6: the end of it, you could see him getting you know,

1150
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: this is what frustrated and you know, tell on the

1151
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 6: offensive line more or less like you know, this isn't acceptable.

1152
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 6: Whereas I think two years ago he's probably just silently,

1153
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 6: you know, walking back to the holidle in but in

1154
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 6: his mind he's probably thinking, you know, like what the

1155
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 6: heck's going on? But I think now you're seeing him

1156
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 6: kind of demonstrate that, you know, on field leadership a

1157
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 6: little bit more so.

1158
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: You said Calvin really is the best receiver he's ever had,

1159
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: which is a failure I think for three, you know,

1160
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: three years of a young quarterback when you think not

1161
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: that Calvin really is a bad receiver. He's a good

1162
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: starting receiver, but I tend to think he's maybe just

1163
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: like a smidge overrated. Maybe it wasn't as consistent as

1164
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: you would want and maybe not in the right place,

1165
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: whether that's coaching, whatever was going on last year. It's

1166
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: been interesting to hear you and Gus talk about it,

1167
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: and yeah, I tell people like the way to learn

1168
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: about teams, have listened to good team podcasts, and like

1169
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I said, the Jaguars on SI podcast is one of

1170
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: the best out there. I just I learned a lot

1171
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: from it. One of the things I've learned this preseason.

1172
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: You guys talking about how they're using Gabe Davis maybe

1173
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: a little different than you expected, as you know, instead

1174
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: of just this vertical guy, which maybe wasn't the perfect

1175
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: fit in Buffalo, he's doing more of the intermediate routes

1176
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: and getting open and he's over the middle. And then

1177
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: you have my guy, Brian Thomas Junior, who I'm I'm

1178
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: very excited about because I'm a very basic NFL draft scout,

1179
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: where I just saw the way he moved and I

1180
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: was like, this has to translate, not just like I

1181
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: know he runs fast, but more the way he just

1182
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: like glides and can stop and start, and just I

1183
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: just I just thought it was rare move and I

1184
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: was like, there's the floor of what I think he

1185
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: could be as a pro is pretty high because it's

1186
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: just gonna translate, and it sounds like that's been translating lately.

1187
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: So you have those two guys. You have Endavid Ingram's

1188
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: coming off a monster year. You have a great maybe

1189
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 1: not great running back, but it's certainly above average running

1190
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: back in ETN who I think is a little misunderstood.

1191
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is this is a good group.

1192
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I think it's better than it's been before. Uh. Just

1193
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: I guess just make me feel great about my Brian

1194
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: Thomas junior evaluate and I guess let's start there.

1195
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: No, I mean really throughout training camp, I honestly, I'm

1196
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 6: not sure if I've seen like a single like here

1197
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 6: deep ball throne to gave Davis like it certainly does

1198
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 6: not look like he's being used like he was in Buffalo.

1199
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 6: And I think in Jacksonville you're going to see Brian

1200
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 6: Thomas kind of in the world gave Davis wasn't in

1201
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 6: Buffalo where they're just giving him, you know, the vertical

1202
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 6: passing game and saying, you know, you're the guy who's

1203
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 6: going to get behind defenses. He definitely started off a

1204
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 6: bit slow, I think in training camp, which you'd probably expect,

1205
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 6: you know, rookies, they're doing a lot of thinking, you know,

1206
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 6: the first week of training camp. But ever since, like

1207
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 6: two practices before the first preseason game, when he caught

1208
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 6: that great, you know, one handed cradle catch against the Chiefs,

1209
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 6: you know he's really turned it on. He's Ronald Darby

1210
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 6: was locking him up like easily during the first week

1211
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 6: of camp.

1212
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: Since then, you know, he has a couple of scores

1213
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 4: over Darby.

1214
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 6: It looks like he's somebody who you know, no matter

1215
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 6: who you put in front of him, he's able to

1216
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 6: get behind the defense, and the Jaguars have drawn up

1217
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: some good concepts to get him behind the defense. He

1218
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 6: had one play against Tampa Bay where you know, he

1219
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 6: kind of did a little like stop and go route,

1220
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 6: you know, from the slot. And you know, a guy

1221
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 6: who with like legit four to three speed, you know,

1222
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 6: running vertical routes out of the slot, it's not going

1223
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 6: to be easy to defend. So he's easily i'd say,

1224
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 6: the best deep threat Trevor Lawrence is had in his career,

1225
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 6: and Trevor Lawrence like he's kind of been neutered. I think,

1226
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 6: like especially last year in the scheme, you know, kind

1227
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 6: of almost Alex Smith like West Coast style where he's

1228
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 6: getting the ball and immediately throwing it. You know, Evon

1229
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 6: Ingram hasn't average. It felt like he had an a

1230
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 6: dot of like one yard at times last year where

1231
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 6: they're just trying to immediately get the ball out of

1232
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 6: his hands. But Trevor Lawrence, I think, wants to play

1233
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 6: a vertical game and Bryan Thomas gives him a weapon

1234
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 6: he hasn't had, like he played with DJ Chark for

1235
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 6: like a coffee in twenty twenty one. But I've seen

1236
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: more out of Thomas in training camp as a deep

1237
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 6: threat than you know, I saw out of Chart back then.

1238
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 6: So I definitely think he's going to be heavily utilized.

1239
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 6: And I think I agree with you. I think he's

1240
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 6: more than just a one trick pony. You know, he

1241
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 6: has the whole athletic skill set like he can be

1242
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 6: in my opinion, like as time goes on, a pretty

1243
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 6: good route runner. I mean, he ran a great route

1244
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 6: against Tampa Bay that little comeback on the Sadevine.

1245
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 4: You've already seen teams respect to.

1246
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 6: Speed, and it definitely feels like Lsu asked him to

1247
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 6: run like two routes pretty much and he's like like

1248
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: learning everything now that he has the physical ability to grow.

1249
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 4: Into more than that.

1250
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 6: So I think this year he's going to have like

1251
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 6: a defined role as you know, a field stretcher and

1252
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 6: a guy that do try to get the ball into

1253
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: his hands. But you know, moving forward, like long term,

1254
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 6: I definitely think he has, you know, big, big potential

1255
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 6: in I had some people yelling yelling at me online

1256
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 6: yesterday for sharing and I didn't say to quote, but

1257
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 6: you know Pete Prisco, long time Jaguars guy, he said

1258
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 6: he thinks he may be a Jamar Chase Justin Jeffson type.

1259
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 6: So I'm not going to go that far, but it

1260
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 6: just shows you like the kind of momentum that he

1261
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 6: has right now that he's beating defensive backs badly enough

1262
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 6: that you know, it went for people being definitely concerned

1263
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 6: during the first week of training camp to now he's

1264
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 6: always getting these crazy you know comparisons.

1265
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love Pete, I love anyone who's

1266
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: you know overcome his lack of height like myself to

1267
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: have such a great career. He's right about the same,

1268
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: although he's much stronger, to be fair, But Pete Go's

1269
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: big with his predictions. I wouldn't even go that big.

1270
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: And I loved Thomas. I thought the Colts should have

1271
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: taken him and were those back to back picks. Those

1272
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: are like my two favorite players in the draft. Lot

1273
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: too and Thomas. No, they weren't back to backics, but

1274
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: so I like both picks.

1275
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: I was.

1276
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I was cool with the Colts taking a lot too,

1277
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be kind of tracking those two guys

1278
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: over the next few years. And yet fantasy like fantasy implications,

1279
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even that high on him. It's not about

1280
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: like his numbers this year. It's about that he's going

1281
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: to help this offense. He's going to have some production, certainly,

1282
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: and I think long term he reminds me of DK Metcalf,

1283
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: not at all in playing style, but just in that

1284
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's limited coming out, but guys can

1285
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: get better when when football is the only thing they're

1286
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: doing and they're getting NFL coaching, and I think he

1287
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Speaker 1: has this skill set to do it and he has

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Speaker 1: just such obvious physical skills Lett and that's where I

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Speaker 1: get the DK Metcalf part was like, that's going to

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Speaker 1: translate on some level and then they'll get better and better.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that. You mentioned Peterson and the

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Speaker 1: kind of the short offense. You know, Doug Peterson's an

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Speaker 1: interesting guy. He's a little off the radar nationally too, obviously,

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Speaker 1: like a Super Bowl champion last year was weird. He's

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Speaker 1: someone who elicits strong reactions actually from other people in

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Speaker 1: the league. Some people think he's great, and other people

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Speaker 1: are like Doug Peterson overrated? Like where are we at

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Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson and the Jaguars experience right now? He

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Speaker 1: came in and obviously I think overall you'd have to

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Speaker 1: give him like a B grade. He's done a pretty

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Speaker 1: good job. But just where you at? What, like what's

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Speaker 1: he like? He's been a little off the radar compared

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Speaker 1: to when he was so much part of like the

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Speaker 1: national discourse.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think, like, like I said, the Jaguars

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01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 6: are like the team embodiment of the nine to eight record.

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Speaker 6: Doug Peterson's probably like the head coach, and I'm like

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Speaker 6: a record like that like he's definitely a solid coach,

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Speaker 6: I think, But I don't think anybody's disagreeing singing him

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Speaker 6: off like top ten lists or anything like that. And

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Speaker 6: he's definitely done some good things in Jacksonville, Like he's

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Speaker 6: raised absolutely the floor of the team, raising the ceiling,

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Speaker 6: getting them over the hump. I think is you know,

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Speaker 6: the next biggest question. But he's definitely came in and

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Speaker 6: especially that first year, you know, coach Urbin Meyer, like

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Speaker 6: they legitimately had to be a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Like healing done.

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Speaker 6: There were a lot of people, especially inside the locker room,

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Speaker 6: who their confidence was kind of fried by just getting

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Speaker 6: you know, completely onslaught in my Urban Meyer. I know

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Speaker 6: of at least you know, one player who you know,

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 6: after overmyer tirade was legit like left to tears and

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 6: I'm like the thrown man. So they obviously had to

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 6: build he had to build up confidence back up. I

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 6: think last year, you know, he probably had to try

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Speaker 6: to navigate you know, them reading too much into their

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Speaker 6: own press clippings, and he himself said that they had

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Speaker 6: an issue of that last year. That was probably a

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Speaker 6: failure on his part. I think he's a solid you

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Speaker 6: know coach, but there definitely is some questions, you know,

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 6: in terms of what he's doing, in terms of how

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Speaker 6: he's operating a team, especially at play caller. Like me, personally,

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's that big of a deal if

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Speaker 6: Doug Peterson's not the press play caller and Press Taylor is,

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Speaker 6: because Doug Peterson's still putting the offense together. You know,

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Speaker 6: every week in meetings, Doug Peterson's hearing every play call.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's ultimately it's ultimately his offense. But some

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Speaker 6: people absolutely do care, and that includes jag Warzona Shot Cohn,

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 6: who more or less has said, like, I want Doug

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Speaker 6: to call plays this year, but it's up to him.

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Speaker 6: That's I think would be the one concerning thing about

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Speaker 6: Doug Peterson and Jacksonville, Like, let's Taylor's legitimately probably the

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Speaker 6: reason he got fired in Philadelphia, you know, just his

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 6: loyalty to Press Taylor and then he's running it back

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 6: again in Jacksonville, and it kind of feels like, you know,

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Speaker 6: a you know, Groundhog BA scenario where it's like, you know,

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 6: you already did this, why go through this a second time?

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Speaker 6: So while it might not be that big of a deal,

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Speaker 6: you know, in reality, it's a big deal to the

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Speaker 6: most important person in the franchise. So I'm interested to

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 6: see who's calling plays this year. If Press Taylor calls

1352
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Speaker 6: plays and they missed the playoffs, I think it could

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01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 6: get interesting for Doug. I really did, which is kind

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 6: of wild because I mean, you know, winning eighteen games

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01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 6: in his first two seats, He's won more games in

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 6: two seasons, and Gus Bradley won like four and a half.

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Speaker 6: So it's definitely an interesting dynamic wahing moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gus Bradley, that was That was That was kind

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Speaker 1: of the era where, yeah, it's why I want to

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Speaker 1: do a show focusing on the AFC South right now,

1361
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: because that was the era where you got the Jags

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Speaker 1: Titans TNF game like during the World Series, like we

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Speaker 1: know what you're doing, NFL, Like you're kind of sneaking

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Speaker 1: in the bad TNF game like during the World Series,

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Speaker 1: and like that's all you saw of the AFC South

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Speaker 1: all year on prime time. We don't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of time left, but you guys were really drinking the

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: Ryan Nielsen kol aid you guys were having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about like, hey, what do we do if Ryan Nielsen

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Speaker 1: gets hired as a head coach. I was like, it's

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Speaker 1: may is he that impressive in the offseason? And then

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Speaker 1: just along with that, I guess like give me, give

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Speaker 1: me anyone on the defensive side, just maybe that people

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: don't know as much about, but it surprise you or

1375
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: look good. You just caught your eye between Neilson in

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: the defense this this preseason.

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Speaker 6: No, I think the big thing with Nielsen is that

1378
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Speaker 6: guy guy's being used more to their strengths, you know,

1379
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Speaker 6: mainly Josh Heinz Allen and Trevon Walker. Mike Tolllin had

1380
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Speaker 6: a great quote about the Jaguards defense last year. He's like,

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Speaker 6: they run a three four, but their outside linebackers are

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Speaker 6: like defensive ends.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's the entire problem.

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Speaker 6: You know, Like Trevon Walker, he is best with his

1385
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 6: hand in and dirt moving forward, not dropping in the coverage.

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Speaker 6: So you're seeing more of that from Ryan Nielsen, a

1387
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Speaker 6: lot more detailed work, especially with the defensive line. Different

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Speaker 6: I think just brand of football, and I think that's

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Speaker 6: what has gotten a lot of people, you know, excited.

1390
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Speaker 6: Change makes people excited, so that's probably a big thing

1391
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Speaker 6: of it. You know, him and Mike Calwell's scheme. It's

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Speaker 6: a complete one to eighty in terms of players that

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01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 6: you know, people should probably watch for. You know, I

1394
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Speaker 6: think that the staff has been really high on second

1395
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 6: round pick Mason Smith. You know, he missed a ton

1396
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Speaker 6: of time at LSU. That was a pick that was

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Speaker 6: pretty blasted because he didn't really do much in college

1398
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Speaker 6: and they took him top fifty. You know, he's really impressed.

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Speaker 6: He might even you know leap Roy Robinson Harris on

1400
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Speaker 6: the depth chart as Eric Arms steps back up, and

1401
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 6: then Antonio Johnson at safety, fifth round pick last year,

1402
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 6: he's going to start this year. They really liked his

1403
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 6: blitzing ability and his ability to work, you know as

1404
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 6: a strong safety last year, and he seems like a

1405
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 6: good compliment to Andre Cisco in the back end. I

1406
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 6: think with more snaps with him, he could be a

1407
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Speaker 6: guy that kind of surprises people.

1408
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fun safety group. Cisco is another guy,

1409
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: you know. I know, you guys talk about as having

1410
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: a potential breakout year can be a playmaker and it's

1411
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: one of those where Nielsen can get creative and he

1412
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: was impressive with the Falcons last year. They didn't have

1413
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: great talent. Ultimately their production was it depended on what

1414
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: numbers he looked at, but it wasn't like amazing. But

1415
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: again he was creative and it was fun. And you

1416
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: hope that the safeties can kind of make up for

1417
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: what to me is a little lack of depth behind

1418
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell at qrnerback. I think this team's more interesting

1419
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: this year than the last few years. I don't know

1420
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: if they're going to be good or not, but I

1421
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: do like that this division is so watchable. I'm going

1422
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: to be into all the AFC South games, especially Jaguars, Titans,

1423
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: and Colts, and I'm going to stay into listening to

1424
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: you John and Gus. Got to give Gus a shout

1425
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: out here on the podcast, and thank thanks for stopping by.

1426
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 6: Man, Hey, thanks Man as always, you know, thanks for

1428
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 6: all the support.

1429
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: Ah no worries. John really does a great job. And yeah,

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. This has been a fun week.

1431
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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Next week we're going to do the same recap of

1433
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: the preseason games, but it might be more team notes

1434
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: with Nick Schuk that comes out on Monday nights because

1435
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 1: a lot of backups playing. And then we get into

1436
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: some of our predictions, and it's really the last week

1437
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: of the offseason. We are almost to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Till then, see you next time.