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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: we never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another edition of Monday Mini. Quick content warning.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about pornography, sexual harassment, and stalking and exploitation,

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Speaker 2: all of the gross stuff. I'm not necessarily going to

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Speaker 2: get into specifics. I am going to talk about certain

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Speaker 2: incidents and what's happening around the world.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: And in the world of this is why we can't

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Speaker 3: We're talking about AI again.

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Speaker 2: So we've had several episodes about the world of AI

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Speaker 2: and how it's recently grown rapidly with all the talks

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Speaker 2: about the advantages and disadvantages, including some of the backlash

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Speaker 2: we talked with bridget about, who also talks a lot

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Speaker 2: about it on her show. There are no girls on

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Speaker 2: the Internet, and yeah, just overall, the usage of AI

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Speaker 2: has grown with that continued backlash and concern so recently

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Speaker 2: in South Korea. I know, I think my feed has

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Speaker 2: a lot of South Korean information, but hey, a major

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Speaker 2: incident occurred where it was discovered hundreds of men and

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Speaker 2: boys were using AI to create deep fakes in order

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Speaker 2: to harass or blackmail women. So here's a bit more

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Speaker 2: from the BBC. Authorities. Journalists and social media users recently

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Speaker 2: identified a large number of chat groups where members were

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Speaker 2: creating and sharing sexually explicit deep fake images, including some

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Speaker 2: of underage girls. Deep fakes are generated using artificial intelligence

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Speaker 2: and often combined the face of a real person with

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Speaker 3: And it continues.

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Speaker 2: The spate of chat groups linked to individual schools and

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Speaker 2: universities across the country were discovered on the social media

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Speaker 2: app Telegram over the past week. Users mainly teenage students,

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Speaker 2: would upload photos of people they knew, both classmates and teachers,

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Speaker 2: and other users would then turned them into sexually explicit

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Speaker 2: deep fake images. The discoveries followed the arrest of the

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Speaker 2: Russian born founder of Telegram, Pavel Durov, on Saturday, after

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Speaker 2: it was alleged that child pornography, drug trafficking and fraud

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Speaker 2: will quote aggressively pursue people who make and spread the

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Speaker 2: material in a seven month campaign due to start on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the Yonhap news agency said, with a focus on those

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Speaker 2: who exploit children and teenagers. After a long struggle to

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Speaker 2: South Korea is now battling a wave of deep fake

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Speaker 2: images deep fake videos targeting unspecified individuals who've been rapidly

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Speaker 2: to his office, many victims are miners and most perpetrators

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Speaker 2: to quote thoroughly investigate and address these digital sex crimes

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Speaker 2: to eradicate them. According to the country's police agency, two

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven cases of deep fake crimes of

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Speaker 2: year and nearly double the number in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: when data first began to be collated. Of this, one

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Speaker 2: or teenagers. But the problem is believed to be more

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Speaker 2: create and share deep fakes images by doctoring photographs of

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Speaker 2: university students, teachers, and military personnel. So on, one analysis

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Speaker 2: about South Korea's han Kiore newspaper to highlighted Telegram channels

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Speaker 2: Teachers and Education Workers' Unions said it had learned of

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Speaker 2: Education Ministry to investigate. The investigation into sexually explicit deep

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Speaker 2: and nobody being punished hardly. So as this incident just

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I've just been recently hearing.

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Speaker 2: all around the world. In fact, as I was researching,

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Speaker 2: fakes of celebrity porn videos. That was my first and

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Speaker 2: like they was advertising like a porn hub saying, look,

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Speaker 2: we have all of these, come and find your video,

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Speaker 2: also how to find deep fakes online like showing all

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Speaker 2: my algorithm for y'all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Anyway, Please, if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 3: police people, I'm not trying to find it. I was researching.

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Speaker 3: I'm only researching for those surveilling me. You know there

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Speaker 2: Sorry, There's so much that we need to talk about.

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Speaker 2: For example, there are incidents here that happened in the US.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't popped up on my feet, which is really unfortunate,

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Speaker 2: including a student creating a deep fake porn of other

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Speaker 2: very disturbed by both of these things, obviously, but the

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Speaker 2: And by the way, as I as I was writing

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Speaker 2: not even upon the fact, even though they have a

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Speaker 2: and they would thoroughly punish. This is a form of

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Speaker 2: bullying and we understand this. This is not going to

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Speaker 3: However, again there are no real state laws about this.

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Speaker 2: We know that it's difficult to go after people for

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Speaker 2: a really sleazy game to play for someone who's been

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Speaker 2: earlier this year, and how that did initially push lawmakers

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Speaker 2: who have created these deep fakes under some circumstances. As

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Speaker 2: reported by Time magazine. They say the disrupt Explicit Forged

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Speaker 2: to its making. But the reality is there's no federal

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Speaker 2: it's very limiting, and honestly, I'm assuming only rich people

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Speaker 2: Which again what mm hm that whole like take is

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Speaker 1: It's like I wasn't allowed to sue before. I feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting because our laws are so behind

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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that South Korea does have a

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Speaker 2: digital sex crime unit, that's great, but it also was

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Speaker 2: because there has been so many complaints of women being like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm being illegally taped. Yeah, and so they still really

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, like I believe we talked

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Speaker 1: perhaps men in power sort of like, oh, well, that's

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Speaker 1: the price of being online as a woman. That's just

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Speaker 1: the price of existing as a woman. Doesn't impact me,

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Speaker 1: So it's not a priority.

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Speaker 3: I will say.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that might happen now because the Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Project apparently released an ad which I'm very surprised by,

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Speaker 2: of an AI image of Donald Trump crying. So I

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Speaker 2: have a feeling Donald Trump's gonna be pissed about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and his campaign, So they're going to try to do

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Speaker 3: But again, and this is where I felt icky and

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Speaker 2: Say from jomb I know nothing about the Lincoln Project,

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Speaker 2: and from what I understand, they are very capitalistic opportunists

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Speaker 3: So I don't know what that means. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: I think if I look deeper into it, and I

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that a million time, Like a company

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Speaker 1: I bet there's going to be some arguments about I

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Speaker 2: There's so many conversations and then even when you start

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Speaker 2: They were using this type of technology in South Korea

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Speaker 3: It's just real.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they are not caring enough that

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Speaker 2: And you may or may not win because you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had to put that under like, well,

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Speaker 2: So there's no conversations because we know that if you

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Speaker 3: It's a lot, it.

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Speaker 1: Is, and we're definitely going to have to come back

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