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Speaker 1: Rhode Island Senator and frequent flyer to Fast Politics, Sheldon
Speaker 1: Whitehouse tells us about the newest revelations of how dark
Speaker 1: money is affecting our democracy and more specifically, our Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: age who brought the Dobbs decision. But first we have
Speaker 1: the Mary Trump Shows's host, the one the Only Mary Trump.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, fan favorite, my personal favorite, Mary Trump.
Speaker 3: Hey, Molly, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am just delighted that you could join me because
Speaker 1: I actually was watching some of this town hall last
Speaker 1: night and I was thinking to myself, well, I'm masochistic, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I was seeing myself there's this really important psychological
Speaker 1: component to trump Ism and Trump that you, being both
Speaker 1: his niece and a clinical psychologist, are uniquely, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because it's like I'll go to therapy and
Speaker 1: talk about my family and it's many nuances. Your family's
Speaker 1: many nuances matter more.
Speaker 2: Sadly, I mean, so do you.
Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing I was thinking about
Speaker 1: last night, was we were watching him and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he'd say something like he's called Kaitlyn Collins
Speaker 1: a very you're nasty woman like and the crowd seered
Speaker 1: explain to me what that is is like that ability
Speaker 1: to I.
Speaker 4: Think it's less about his ability. He's literally just who
Speaker 4: he is. It's not nuanced, it's not strategic. It is
Speaker 4: that for reasons that we are going to be trying
Speaker 4: to suss out for the until the end of history,
Speaker 4: maybe a million years.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: He has been given an opportunity time and time again
Speaker 4: to be himself right exactly. So I think you put
Speaker 4: your finger on what's really important here, the people in
Speaker 4: that audience who are setting in for his base or
Speaker 4: his followers, and that's actually thinking about this the other day.
Speaker 4: It's like it just comes naturally to say his followers, right.
Speaker 4: Nobody ever uses that word with any other politicians voters.
Speaker 4: They say supporters or constituents, or nobody uses the word
Speaker 4: followers except for this Republican base visa.
Speaker 2: VI Donald, Right, So I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always important to understand what's going on,
Speaker 4: but I think we need to understand what's going on
Speaker 4: with them in order to make sure that they get
Speaker 4: completely cordoned off from participating beyond casting one vote in
Speaker 4: anything having to do with the American experiment going forward.
Speaker 4: So what I think a lot of people understandably forget
Speaker 4: sometimes is that we cannot use our feelings about Donald,
Speaker 4: our reactions to Donald, to stand in for other people.
Speaker 2: They don't see him the way we see him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think that is like a very very
Speaker 1: very important data point, and that is the fascinating warshack
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. You'll hear people, and I think one
Speaker 1: of the things that happened during the time when you
Speaker 1: would see these anchors do these monologues about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: where they would talk about how disgusted by him they were.
Speaker 2: It wasn't effective to other people, not at all.
Speaker 1: And I think that's because those other people saw something different,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I actually I want to amend something I said.
Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely true there, we cannot judge their
Speaker 4: reactions through the prism of our reactions at all.
Speaker 2: Those are qualitative for the.
Speaker 4: Different I don't necessarily think they see him differently. It's
Speaker 4: just that they value what they see in him very
Speaker 4: differently from how we do. So okay, Yes, there are
Speaker 4: the diluted few who do see the guy who looks
Speaker 4: like a superhero, right, you know, they do see the
Speaker 4: guy wearing the Special Forces uniform, riding around in a tank,
Speaker 4: even though the Jim Norton paintings, yes, you know, holding
Speaker 4: the Constitution whatever, even though he's clearly not in good
Speaker 4: shape and he hasn't been for decades, and even though
Speaker 4: he got five deferments and never served a day in
Speaker 4: his life.
Speaker 2: So yeah, those people are totally delusional.
Speaker 4: But I have to be honest with you, I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure that's how donaldsy is himself when he looks in
Speaker 4: the mirror.
Speaker 2: Right, no question, absolutely.
Speaker 4: For most of them, it's that they actually identify with
Speaker 4: the things that repulse us. They identify with his being
Speaker 4: a loser, And for them it's aspirational though he's a loser,
Speaker 4: but look how spectacularly he's been allowed to fail upwards, Right.
Speaker 2: They love his laws.
Speaker 4: They love that he gets away with lying to that degree.
Speaker 4: They love the cruelty. I mean, I think that's been
Speaker 4: obvious for a really long time now. So again it's
Speaker 4: not like, oh, if only they.
Speaker 2: Could see who he really is. Well, that's what they
Speaker 2: love about.
Speaker 4: I mean, they love that this man who is literally
Speaker 4: stands in for them. He shares their grievances, he shares
Speaker 4: their sense of victimization because for him, those things are
Speaker 4: quite real, as bizarre as that might sound. Once we
Speaker 4: get everybody to kind of agree that that's what's going
Speaker 4: on here, we can stop pretending that it's worth wasting
Speaker 4: our time on anybody who voted for Donald Trump twice.
Speaker 2: One of the things that Trump is very good at
Speaker 2: is just lying. You know.
Speaker 1: You say, well that the sky is blue, and they said, no,
Speaker 1: it's green. I can tell you it's green, and then
Speaker 1: everybody cheers. How would you like in your mind, how
Speaker 1: do you think you would be able to get into
Speaker 1: a more of a sky is actually blue?
Speaker 2: Discourse with him? Is there a way? Is there? Someone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4: I don't know that a journalist could do it, or
Speaker 4: that a journalist who would do it would be allowed.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 4: It would have to be somebody running against him. Interesting
Speaker 4: who just realizes that if it's a Republican, that his
Speaker 4: or her political future is much less important than stopping him, right,
Speaker 4: or a Democrat who understan answer what's at stake?
Speaker 2: And it's very simple.
Speaker 3: You're lying.
Speaker 2: You lost the popular vote in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: You lost the election in twenty twenty by five million
Speaker 4: more votes than you lost in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: You perpetuate this big lie.
Speaker 4: Do you understand how destructive that is to the democracy
Speaker 4: you purport to want to lead again, You're responsible for
Speaker 4: the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans because of
Speaker 4: your willful and malignant and competent you know, on and
Speaker 4: on and on, and you don't let up. He calls
Speaker 4: you a nasty person. You say, granted, but answer the
Speaker 4: fucking question.
Speaker 2: This is my question here.
Speaker 1: And I say this as you and I are both
Speaker 1: feminists pretty passionately. So I don't think he respects women
Speaker 1: in a way that they would be able to challenge
Speaker 1: him like that.
Speaker 2: That's a question.
Speaker 4: Well, he doesn't respect anybody. Yeah, So I don't think
Speaker 4: it's that. I think it's more in a different role.
Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi could do it, you know, Hillary Clinton could
Speaker 4: do it, but they're not available from this kind of thing,
Speaker 4: and he wouldn't subject himself.
Speaker 2: To it anyway.
Speaker 4: I don't know Katele Collins, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: she was contractually obligated to do that to herself last night.
Speaker 4: So I think the bigger problem, as you said at
Speaker 4: the beginning, was the crowd, not just in terms of
Speaker 4: the danger that they represent, but in terms of how
Speaker 4: it emboldened him to have the worst things he said,
Speaker 4: including most of his lies, cheered to that degree, which
Speaker 4: made her job harder. But you need somebody who is
Speaker 4: just willing to tell him to shut up, answer the question,
Speaker 4: or literally, we'll just shut it down because you're lying
Speaker 4: and we cannot allow you to continue to lie to
Speaker 4: the American people.
Speaker 2: Sorry, like that is little, And to make it clear
Speaker 2: that you don't.
Speaker 4: Respect his power, that he's just a candidate in this context,
Speaker 4: and he's a I don't want to say dangerous because
Speaker 4: that would make him think he's cool. But he was
Speaker 4: impeached twice, he has been found libel, he's a sexual abuser,
Speaker 4: he's a defamer. You know, you need to point out
Speaker 4: all of the things that make him so unfit for
Speaker 4: the role he seeks to hold once again. And I
Speaker 4: say a role in a very conscious way, because it's
Speaker 4: just something he's playing at to make money. Short of that, though,
Speaker 4: he needs to be brought up short, and the only
Speaker 4: way to do that is to be very blunt about
Speaker 4: who he is and what will not be allowed.
Speaker 1: If you had a Republican Leagah Mitch McConnell, who decided
Speaker 1: they were going to just give it all up to
Speaker 1: bring him down, that is the scenario that I think
Speaker 1: keeps him up at night.
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Or you think he just knows it's
Speaker 2: not going to happen now because he's been allowed to
Speaker 2: get away with so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's too amorphous for him to
Speaker 4: grapple with. You know, I think he if anything keeps
Speaker 4: him up at night beyond the twelve diet cokes that
Speaker 4: he drinks every day, it's things like Georgia because now,
Speaker 4: especially now that he realizes he is vulnerable and he
Speaker 4: can be found liable or guilty by a jury of
Speaker 4: his peers. You know, I think it's little not that
Speaker 4: those are little things, but it's more concrete things that
Speaker 4: are having a direct effect on him. And also there's
Speaker 4: literally no reason for him to think that's going to happen,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's going to So he has learned,
Speaker 4: and he talked about this. His poll numbers go up
Speaker 4: every time he does something horrific or is found to
Speaker 4: have done something horrific.
Speaker 2: And the problem for him though.
Speaker 4: And again this is not a slam dunk here because
Speaker 4: of Jerry Maddering's voter suppression voter subversion, but his numbers
Speaker 4: are going up in a pool of voters that's shrinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have decided that his worst qualities are what they.
Speaker 2: Love about him.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's absolutely true, because they identify with them, and
Speaker 4: they give those qualities give them permission, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've said many times that that twenty five to twenty
Speaker 4: eight percent of base voters on the Republican side are
Speaker 4: supposed to be walled off from participating in the American
Speaker 4: experiment beyond the one vote they're allowed to cast.
Speaker 2: I think, I think that's one of the purposes of liberal.
Speaker 4: Democracy, right, But for two years, that twenty eight percent
Speaker 4: was represented by one hundred percent of the federal government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that disease metastasized.
Speaker 4: And now we're dealing with a much bigger percentage of
Speaker 4: people who either learned that they like these things or
Speaker 4: realize that they don't have to hide their love of
Speaker 4: them anymore. And that's you know, that's how you get
Speaker 4: from sixty two to the seventy four million voters voting
Speaker 4: for this.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not strange because we have talked about
Speaker 1: this a nauseum, but I continue to be amazed by it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter why they love it, but they definitely
Speaker 1: do love it. And I mean I wasn't surprised. I
Speaker 1: thought this was coming. But when Trump was indicted in
Speaker 1: New York, the biggest loser, the political loser in that situation,
Speaker 1: was Rond DeSantis.
Speaker 2: What a world?
Speaker 4: What a world? Or I should say, what a country.
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, I do think it matters why,
Speaker 4: but it's you know, unfortunately that's not the most urgent issue.
Speaker 2: Like we're going to have to figure that out though
Speaker 2: in the long run for sure.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're right. For our purposes, it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: right now. We don't have the luxury of doing that
Speaker 4: deep dive. And I think that's that cut a couple
Speaker 4: of ways. First, of all, it just shows you how
Speaker 4: completely bought in they are to this idea that the
Speaker 4: thing that matters most is power and impunity. And secondly,
Speaker 4: it underscores the degree to which, and increasingly the cult
Speaker 4: of personality and charisma function in our politics. On the right,
Speaker 4: the reason Ron Decentis doesn't have a political future on
Speaker 4: the national stage isn't because he's a fascist.
Speaker 2: It's because he's not a charismatic fascist.
Speaker 1: Right. I have to say, I don't want to laugh
Speaker 1: because it's so scary.
Speaker 2: Well, what else, what's the alternative? But it is? I
Speaker 2: mean that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean there's no policy disagreement here. It's more just
Speaker 1: a question of like do people want to have a
Speaker 1: beer with him?
Speaker 2: And they don't? Or a right exactly no flatwear alone.
Speaker 4: Right. It also just underscores that they were talking about earlier,
Speaker 4: how it I think it just strikes at the heart
Speaker 4: of those of us who are like, but you'd want
Speaker 4: to have a beer with Donald?
Speaker 2: For the all, Donald wouldn't have a beer.
Speaker 3: With any of you.
Speaker 4: And it's not because he doesn't drink alcohol that he
Speaker 4: wouldn't have a beer with them.
Speaker 2: He disdains all of you.
Speaker 4: He would step over you if you were bleeding out
Speaker 4: on the sidewalk and say, oh my god, that's disgusting.
Speaker 2: But you know, here we are.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you've ever met him, but
Speaker 4: if you do meet him in person, you get it.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, yeah, I mean it doesn't appeal to me,
Speaker 4: but I get it. There's that thing there, you know,
Speaker 4: that indecipherable, ineluctable thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm so struck by just how much trump Ism has
Speaker 1: you know, it's one man. Do you think some factor
Speaker 1: of this is that he was on television?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, totally, which is why Mark Burnett should
Speaker 4: go down in history as one of the most.
Speaker 2: Despicable creatures to roam the earth.
Speaker 4: This doesn't happen without The Apprentice, because up until The Apprentice,
Speaker 4: he was just a guy who filed for bankruptcy a
Speaker 4: lot of times and was allowed to live the luxurious
Speaker 4: lifestyle they lived because his banks put him.
Speaker 2: On an allowance of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month. Nice work if you can get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, few people have benefited more from the affluent white
Speaker 1: man welfare.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody has benefited more, because you know,
Speaker 4: in addition, to that he also got a couple of
Speaker 4: bucks from his daddy.
Speaker 2: In that way, he's very much like Elon Musk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they have more in common than I care to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I continue to be, you know, one of your biggest fans,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that you have to do this more
Speaker 1: because I know you would. Just your dream is to
Speaker 1: not have to fucking talk about this. As a NEPO
Speaker 1: baby myself, you know, my nightmare is talking about my
Speaker 1: mother again and again and again. So I like, so
Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this for us, and.
Speaker 2: It is time for all hands on deck again.
Speaker 4: I'll have to do our because yeah, because listen, you
Speaker 4: know there's self interest here too, because if we don't
Speaker 4: do this now.
Speaker 2: We're going to be dealing with this forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but probably from an undisclosed location in another country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no question, I mean no question. Thanks Mary,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Mollie.
Speaker 1: Sheldon white House is the junior Senator from the state
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Best Politics, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.
Speaker 3: Good to be with you again, Mollie.
Speaker 1: We're delighted to have you. The first thing I want
Speaker 1: to get into is the Senate Budget Committee.
Speaker 2: You out the hearing on the New.
Speaker 1: Republican it's not the budget because they're just trying not
Speaker 1: to pay their bills, but it's pretty amazing. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about where the big oil giveaways are, well.
Speaker 5: They're all over the place. If you're looking for a
Speaker 5: tell about what is really going on in the MAGA
Speaker 5: Republican's Ransom Bill, two hundred and seventy five out of
Speaker 5: three and and fifteen pages of the bill are devoted
Speaker 5: to giveaways to the fossil fuel industry, and they include
Speaker 5: things like undoing the recent fee that we imposed on
Speaker 5: oil and gas industry polluters when they release improper methane leaks. Now,
Speaker 5: there's really no excuse for a methane leak, and we
Speaker 5: didn't get a whole lot of pushback against that, but
Speaker 5: the oil and gas industry, despite the fact that the
Speaker 5: fee actually helps the federal budget, I mean, it actually
Speaker 5: reduces the deficit, and supposedly the Republicans are supposedly concerned
Speaker 5: about the deficit, They're willing to run up the deficit
Speaker 5: to encourage methane leaks as long as it's the fossil
Speaker 5: fuel industry, which of course connects very obviously into the
Speaker 5: fossil fuel industry through its dark money, superpacks and front
Speaker 5: groups more or less prop up the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about this because this is really interesting.
Speaker 1: The fossil fuel influence on the US Supreme Court is pervasive.
Speaker 2: Explained us.
Speaker 1: What that means that fossil fuels have made their way
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: Well, if you look at this Supreme Court, which I
Speaker 5: refer to as the court that dark money built, yes
Speaker 5: and enjoys, you see that the Trump appointees came through
Speaker 5: a process in which there was a so called Federalist
Speaker 5: Society list off of which she was going to choose.
Speaker 5: But it's recently been confirmed, actually by a Federalist Society insider,
Speaker 5: that there was no Federalist Society process. There were no
Speaker 5: proceedings related to the list. The Federalist Society led its
Speaker 5: name to a list, but the list was developed by
Speaker 5: Leonard Leo, who was an operative of a bunch of
Speaker 5: right wing billionaires, including one who just dropped one point
Speaker 5: six billion dollars into his little armada of phony front groups.
Speaker 5: So you have justices basically selected in a back room
Speaker 5: by billionaires. Then you go down the hall from the
Speaker 5: Federal Society to the judicial crisis network literally down the hall,
Speaker 5: same building, and there the billionaires are writing checks for
Speaker 5: fifteen million dollars seventeen million dollars to pay for the
Speaker 5: ads for these justices, and then once through their confirmation proceedings,
Speaker 5: and then once they get them on the court, they're
Speaker 5: these flotillas of phony front groups that come in and
Speaker 5: file what are called amicus curity eyed briefs, Friend of
Speaker 5: the Court briefs, and they use those briefs to instruct
Speaker 5: the justices as to what it is that the billionaire
Speaker 5: donors expect of them. And of course, unsurprisingly but horrifyingly,
Speaker 5: the statistical correlation between what those federalist society billionaire selected
Speaker 5: justices do and what the billionaire funded Emmicky CURII have
Speaker 5: recommended is statistically perfectly aligned.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked. Who could have seen that coming?
Speaker 3: Who could have seen that coming?
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: Harlan Crowe is now the sort of king of this
Speaker 1: kind of malfeasans. Let's talk about these disclosures. Clarence Thomas
Speaker 1: used to disclose until the La Times wrote a story
Speaker 1: about him. Now for the last twenty years, he really
Speaker 1: hasn't you guys, recently asked for a list from Harlon
Speaker 1: crow talk to me about where we are in this cluster.
Speaker 5: Harlan Crowe is a right wing billionaire who ingratiated himself
Speaker 5: with Justice Thomas once he was on the court and
Speaker 5: has been paying for family vacations, family tuition, family rent,
Speaker 5: basically supporting this guy's lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Using Kelly and Conway to funnel him funneled Guinia money.
Speaker 3: That was Leonard Leo, right, Oh sorry, Leonard Leo.
Speaker 5: Yes, but when you look at the telltale portrait in
Speaker 5: all of this, Leonard Leo and Harlan Crowe and Justice
Speaker 5: Thomas are all sitting together, so it's not like there's
Speaker 5: a huge differentiation between Leonard Leo and Harlan Crowe. So
Speaker 5: that has created this whole scandal because none of it
Speaker 5: was reported, and there's no excuse for some of the
Speaker 5: non reporting, and the excuses for the rest of the
Speaker 5: non reporting are hollow and phony. So we are looking
Speaker 5: into that question of the reporting. The Finance Committee has
Speaker 5: asked force of information about whether gift tax was properly
Speaker 5: paid on these enormous gifts.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were stiff armed by Harlan Crow's lawyers. The
Speaker 5: Judiciary Committee has asked for information. I suspect the response
Speaker 5: will be about the same. And the problem for them
Speaker 5: is that when you look into this secretive funding of
Speaker 5: the Thomas household, it opens into this larger scheme of
Speaker 5: billionaire influence and control over the right wing just justices
Speaker 5: of the Supreme Court. So they're desperate to try to
Speaker 5: stop this before we get into any real further information.
Speaker 5: But I think we're going to just persist. I intend
Speaker 5: to persist anyway, and we're going to continue to dig
Speaker 5: into this. We're going to find the information. I hope
Speaker 5: people will come forward, maybe even whistleblowers, and the full
Speaker 5: extent of what appears to be rock solid, old fashioned
Speaker 5: corruption at the Supreme Court will be exposed.
Speaker 1: You've asked the DOJ to look into this. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you frustrated with this?
Speaker 2: DOOJ?
Speaker 3: We're actually not quite there yet.
Speaker 5: I asked the Chief Justice to start the process that
Speaker 5: ends up with a referral to the Attorney General of
Speaker 5: whether or not the failure to disclose was wilful, And
Speaker 5: if the failure disclosed was wilful, then civil finds can
Speaker 5: be assessed and the Chief Justice referred that to the
Speaker 5: Digital Conference, who in turn referred it to their Financial
Speaker 5: Disclosure Committee. So we're waiting for the Financial Disclosure Committee
Speaker 5: to act. The Financial Disclosure Committee's job is to find
Speaker 5: out if there is reasonable cause for a reasonable person
Speaker 5: to believe that it might have been wilful, in which
Speaker 5: case they send it to the Attorney General to actually
Speaker 5: make the determination whether it was wilful and then pursue
Speaker 5: civil fines.
Speaker 1: So Senator Dick Durbin was on the Sunday Shows and
Speaker 1: he was talking about this idea that you know, you
Speaker 1: could tell he was trying to appeal to Justice Roberts.
Speaker 1: You'll remember that before these three Trump justices, Justice Roberts
Speaker 1: was very concerned with the legacy of his court and
Speaker 1: he was trying to make the case that Justice Roberts
Speaker 1: really does have the power and I think he does
Speaker 1: to bring some order back to the court.
Speaker 2: Do you think that will work?
Speaker 5: Yes, I actually do, and I think that the way
Speaker 5: it's going to work is through the other federal judges.
Speaker 5: There's a thing called the Judicial Conference which oversees the
Speaker 5: administrative side of the judicial branch of government. The Chief
Speaker 5: Justice chairs it, but it's made up of the chief
Speaker 5: judges of all the circuit courts of appeal and of
Speaker 5: chief judges from district courts around the country. And my
Speaker 5: belief is that those judges are absolutely fed up with
Speaker 5: the mischief and the shenanigans at the Supreme Court. And
Speaker 5: they're doubly fed up because they know perfectly well that
Speaker 5: they could never get away with that kind of nonsense,
Speaker 5: that what's going on with the Supreme Court is in
Speaker 5: flagrant violation of reporting and ethics laws and principles. And furthermore, thirdly,
Speaker 5: they're even more aggravated because when the Supreme Court says,
Speaker 5: nothing to see here, folks, this is just the way
Speaker 5: judges behave.
Speaker 3: It makes all of them look bad.
Speaker 5: Like they might actually be doing the same kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: and they know perfectly well that they aren't, that they can't,
Speaker 5: and that.
Speaker 3: They'd get in big trouble if they did.
Speaker 1: So. This whole exercise of having the Supreme Court police
Speaker 1: itself has been many people are saying, an enormous failure,
Speaker 1: complete joke. Do you think that there's any possible chance
Speaker 1: that Thomas could be impeached?
Speaker 5: Count the UH Republicans in the House, and count the
Speaker 5: Republicans in the Senate and do the math right for them.
Speaker 5: This is entirely political, And to me, it is an
Speaker 5: absolute tell that you have an entire party there's unwilling
Speaker 5: to take a look at undisclosed free gifts of hundreds
Speaker 5: of thousand dollars worth of vacation rent for the mom,
Speaker 5: private school tuitions, all of this stuff, and be willing
Speaker 5: to say that that's all okay, just because it's their judge. Now,
Speaker 5: if this court weren't politicized, why would the Republicans be
Speaker 5: so desperate to defend the indefensible? It to me confirms
Speaker 5: my case that this is a court that has been
Speaker 5: captured and put to work for the right wing billionaires.
Speaker 5: When the Republicans are so completely beholden to the operation
Speaker 5: that they won't condemn what is painfully obvious to anybody
Speaker 5: is wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Trump really changed the calculus for Republicans.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trump is still the Republican front runner, and
Speaker 1: yesterday at court ordered him to pay one of his twenty.
Speaker 3: Six accusers of sexual assault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think that's kind of incredible?
Speaker 5: Yeah, The fact that that's not the end of his career,
Speaker 5: and that so many Republicans are still standing by him
Speaker 5: and saying that this is no big deal.
Speaker 3: Folks.
Speaker 1: I was struck by Tommy Tubervell's defense that he wanted
Speaker 1: to vote for him again.
Speaker 2: Do you think he ends up being the Republican front runner?
Speaker 1: And sort of more to the point, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think that Republicans can switch now?
Speaker 5: There's a very good chance that he's still the Republican
Speaker 5: front runner, and they're going to have to address with
Speaker 5: lots of voters who are concerned about this stuff, not
Speaker 5: just their red hot, fossil fuel funded Fox News fed base.
Speaker 5: The problem of putting forward to the American people a
Speaker 5: candidate who's been found liable for sexual assaults, who has
Speaker 5: been charged with offenses. By then, I suspect there'll be
Speaker 5: a considerable number of offenses that he will have been
Speaker 5: charged with as a criminal defendant.
Speaker 3: Good luck with that.
Speaker 1: They have reaped what they saw. You're in the Senate,
Speaker 1: and the Senate has sort of managed to work despite
Speaker 1: the craziness. What is your secret there?
Speaker 5: We've had a pretty solid Democratic majority on most things.
Speaker 5: There have been a few unfortunate times when we couldn't
Speaker 5: gather a Senate majority, But I think We've just worked
Speaker 5: very deliberately with the Republicans where that's possible, and without
Speaker 5: them when they refuse to cooperate, to do things like
Speaker 5: the Big bipartis an infrastructure bill, but also the Big
Speaker 5: Inflation Reduction Act. That was our first big climate measure,
Speaker 5: our first step to hold pharma accountable, and our first
Speaker 5: adjustment to the tax dodging practices of the super rich.
Speaker 6: What is the thing right now that's keeping you up
Speaker 6: at night. It's still climate change. It's still you know,
Speaker 6: the IRA made progress on climate change. We have a
Speaker 6: lot more work to do. And what's frustrating is that
Speaker 6: the fossil fuel industry still funds a whole armada of
Speaker 6: sleazy front groups who usually hide their fossil fuel funding
Speaker 6: as best they can, but sooner or later it comes out,
Speaker 6: and they spend an enormous amount of time and effort
Speaker 6: here in Congress to defeat climate legislation. And some of
Speaker 6: them are actually pretty well known. One of the worst,
Speaker 6: believe it or not, is the US Chamber of Commerce,
Speaker 6: which is pretty stunning. It's been ranked by Influence Map
Speaker 6: as one of the worst climate obstructors in America. And
Speaker 6: you know, we all have chambers of commerce at home
Speaker 6: that are all very nice people who argue for local businesses.
Speaker 5: And are friendly and community oriented. And then you've got
Speaker 5: this US Chamber of Commerce which is a worst climate
Speaker 5: obstructor and take gobs of money from the fossil fuel
Speaker 5: industry that it won't disclose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. Thank you so much, senator.
Speaker 3: My pleasure, Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 2: Hi. It's Mollie and I am wildly excited that.
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Speaker 1: Greta Kemp Martin is a candidate for AG in the
Speaker 1: state of Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 7: Greta, thank you for having me. Molly.
Speaker 2: All right, tell us what you're running for first.
Speaker 8: I am running to be the next Attorney General for
Speaker 8: the state of Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Mississippi, Yes, that's a red state. Oh boy, tell us
Speaker 1: why you can win in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Plain and simple.
Speaker 8: I can win because this state deserves better, and I'm
Speaker 8: the person to do better for the state. Historically, this
Speaker 8: has been a Democratic seat when Fitch, my opponent, is
Speaker 8: actually the exception, not the rule. And I believe that
Speaker 8: Mississippi is ready for a change. Are my opponent. She's
Speaker 8: abused this office as a way to get her rich
Speaker 8: friends even richer, and has looked the other way as
Speaker 8: they've sold a nearly one hundred million dollars in funding
Speaker 8: from the people that need it most in this state.
Speaker 8: And you know, she's used this office as her own
Speaker 8: personal springboard to overturn Row versus Wade. I've had enough,
Speaker 8: fellow Mississippians, have had enough, And you know, I hope
Speaker 8: people will support us and join in this fight and
Speaker 8: check us out at gretathurag dot com.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about the age you're running against.
Speaker 1: The case you are talking about is Dobbs versus Jackson.
Speaker 1: It is the case that these Republicans use to overturn Row.
Speaker 2: So you are at ground zero for this fight.
Speaker 1: Tell us what it is like in Mississippian what women
Speaker 1: feel about having their age overturn row.
Speaker 8: So, you know, being in Mississippi, as you mentioned before,
Speaker 8: it's a red state, so the issue of abortion is
Speaker 8: always a hot topic.
Speaker 7: And always has been. But right now Mississippians are mad.
Speaker 8: Our Attorney general seems to care about anything and everything
Speaker 8: but Mississippi. She's shown that in a couple of instances,
Speaker 8: won most recently by leading a group of ages to
Speaker 8: attack heartbeat law in Ohio. Of course, she also joined
Speaker 8: the lawsuit about junk science in Texas. So she's truly
Speaker 8: pushing an agenda across the country, but she has forgotten
Speaker 8: about people right here in Mississippi. You know, we have
Speaker 8: seen Republicans launch these full scale attacks state by state
Speaker 8: on abortion rights. But people in Mississippi, they care about
Speaker 8: their health care freedoms. I don't believe that my opponent,
Speaker 8: nor anybody else in state leadership is paying attention to
Speaker 8: what Mississippians really want and honestly, what they need.
Speaker 1: This is a thing we're seeing again and again in
Speaker 1: these Republican legislatures is these Republicans have real goals that
Speaker 1: have almost nothing to do with their local constituents.
Speaker 8: Are you finding that, yes, absolutely, Mississippians have expressed time
Speaker 8: and time again what they need right. They need healthcare here,
Speaker 8: they need Medicaid expansion. We need full Medicaid expansion, not
Speaker 8: piecemeal wins that the Republicans are trying to pass off
Speaker 8: as helping them. They want health care freedom. They want
Speaker 8: good physicians in this state, and we want to be
Speaker 8: able to keep our physicians. We want to make sure
Speaker 8: that our doctors feel safe in providing adequate healthcare to
Speaker 8: our citizens. You know, my opponent's actions make it very
Speaker 8: clear that this fight is about increasing women's suffering. Overturning
Speaker 8: Row is not the endgame. They are not done. This
Speaker 8: is about controlling women's bodies. And you know, honestly, I
Speaker 8: think Mississippians understand that.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because we had the great Jams Carvell on
Speaker 1: this podcast as we often do, and he was talking
Speaker 1: about your top of the ticket with Governor Presley.
Speaker 2: Can you talk to me a little bit about what
Speaker 2: your ticket looks like.
Speaker 8: We have a really dynamic to get starting with the
Speaker 8: top at Brandon Presley. Right now, we have a radical
Speaker 8: governor in Mississippi that supports our abortion ban that makes
Speaker 8: no exception for rap or incest. He is someone who
Speaker 8: has expressed an openness to banning birth control. So clearly
Speaker 8: the future Governor Presley and I agree that Tate Reeves
Speaker 8: needs to be kicked out of office in order to
Speaker 8: move our state forward. I have never seen movement like
Speaker 8: what Brandon Pressley has brought to a electioneer this early.
Speaker 8: And what we have in both Governor Reeves and my
Speaker 8: opponent is an ignorance of the issue that's most important
Speaker 8: to Mississippians. And both brand and Pressley and myself come
Speaker 8: from an area of our state filled with working families
Speaker 8: and people that struggle and work paycheck to paycheck, and
Speaker 8: so what he and I are both up against our
Speaker 8: leaders who have not only abused their office and ignored corruption,
Speaker 8: but have been negligent and it has resulted in in
Speaker 8: hurting working families. Our leaders are just out of touch.
Speaker 8: We are both running against two people who truly do
Speaker 8: not know what real Mississippians go through day to day.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Tate Reeves. Because Tate Reeves.
Speaker 1: Has a really big national profile and he's sort of
Speaker 1: sold himself as less maga, but that's not really true,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 7: That is not true?
Speaker 8: Tate Reeves and lend Fitz are what I like to
Speaker 8: call gold star students for the Republican Party and the
Speaker 8: MAGA Front. They are focused everywhere but Mississippi and that
Speaker 8: it's evidence and how they have ignored what their constituents want.
Speaker 8: They are putting parisanship before people. They've refused every opportunity
Speaker 8: to expand Medicaid in a state that I can't overly
Speaker 8: express what kind of healthcare crisis we are in here
Speaker 8: in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about that, will you? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, The percentage of rural hospitals that we have closing
Speaker 8: on an annual basis is startling. I believe the last
Speaker 8: time I looked where at almost forty percent of rural
Speaker 8: hospitals are it at immediate risks to close, while our
Speaker 8: leaders refuse to expand Medicaid and take in this funding
Speaker 8: that could assist that. I mean, we're talking about people
Speaker 8: in certain areas what I call healthcare deserts in our
Speaker 8: state that takes hours to get to emergency medical care.
Speaker 8: So you know, for example, you'll have potentially a pregnant
Speaker 8: person in the Mississippi delta who requires specialized OBG in care.
Speaker 8: It may take them two to three hours to get
Speaker 8: to a healthcare facility that is equipped when they go
Speaker 8: into labor. It is outstanding that the state leaders in
Speaker 8: Mississippi are looking at the same data that I am.
Speaker 8: They just cannot be. It almost makes you feel like
Speaker 8: you're crazy. We can't be reading the same data and
Speaker 8: you continuously ignoring what Mississippians need with.
Speaker 2: This rural hospital crisis.
Speaker 1: Republicans really don't want to take this Medicare expansion even
Speaker 1: though they can. They don't want to do it on
Speaker 1: the sort of principle I guess that this would help
Speaker 1: poor people. So you have these royal hospitals for which
Speaker 1: are closing, and you have a real problem with women
Speaker 1: wanting to get healthcare.
Speaker 2: Now, I want a dovetail.
Speaker 1: On that for a minute and ask you about the
Speaker 1: problem that pregnant women are having now, which is you
Speaker 1: are pregnant in that state, you have a miscarriage, you're
Speaker 1: out of lock.
Speaker 8: Right, that's right, because what we have seen in the
Speaker 8: post op landscape here in Mississippi, I know many other
Speaker 8: states are seeing it as well. You're seeing doctors who
Speaker 8: are scared to appropriately diagnose pregnant people when they have
Speaker 8: significant issues that pop up during their pregnancy.
Speaker 7: You have doctors who feel.
Speaker 8: Like they have to get on the phone with their
Speaker 8: lawyers before they make adequate health care decisions with their patients,
Speaker 8: and that is egregious. It's disgusting. Actually, just read a
Speaker 8: story out of Oklahoma about a lady who was diagnosed
Speaker 8: with a molar pregnancy, which is a completely non viable pregnancy,
Speaker 8: who was told before they could help her, she'd have
Speaker 8: to bleed out in the parking lot because it has
Speaker 8: to reach the point of seriousness before they feel comfortable
Speaker 8: doing what they need to do.
Speaker 7: To help someone.
Speaker 8: If you can read that and not be completely gut punched,
Speaker 8: I don't understand that kind of logic. And that is
Speaker 8: what my opponent is advocating for. She is advocating not
Speaker 8: just in Mississippi, because let me tell you, her agenda
Speaker 8: is not just here in Mississippi, it is across the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered about that.
Speaker 1: What we've now seen is that Roe is wildly popular
Speaker 1: and that people want women to be able to get
Speaker 1: treatment for miscarriages and even to end a pregnancy. So
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, did they have any excuse for this, well,
Speaker 1: especially with my opponent.
Speaker 8: You know, her position is that she is doing this
Speaker 8: to empower women. She has used the the Dobs what
Speaker 8: I call her Dobs media tour to establish and I'm
Speaker 8: doing air quotes here empowerment agenda. I don't know about
Speaker 8: anybody else, but this is not empowerment. Everywhere I have
Speaker 8: went in the state, nobody, certainly nobody feels empowered.
Speaker 7: When they think about empowerment.
Speaker 8: They are thinking about somebody fighting for equal pay for
Speaker 8: equal work, someone fighting for paid parental leave, someone fighting
Speaker 8: for you know, assistance with childcare. I think my favorite
Speaker 8: quote post Dobbs is my opponent put out there that
Speaker 8: she believes this empowers women because they can just get
Speaker 8: their daycare or their nanny to help them, or.
Speaker 7: They can get their family.
Speaker 8: I mean it shows a complete just out of touch
Speaker 8: with with Mississippians and what Mississippians are facing. I can
Speaker 8: start on several statistics, but just the poverty level here
Speaker 8: in Mississippi. Idea that one of our state leaders could
Speaker 8: believe that Mississippians are hiring nannies and that Mississippians eyes
Speaker 8: a community or a family that could jump in and
Speaker 8: help them. It's unreal and so out of touch with
Speaker 8: what's going on here.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about what Mississippi looks like demographically?
Speaker 1: How do you win as a Democrat in Mississippi.
Speaker 8: First and foremost, we have to motivate people to get
Speaker 8: out and vote in August to November. I do not
Speaker 8: have a primary in August, but of course our primaries
Speaker 8: are very important, but we have to motivate Mississippians to
Speaker 8: get out there and vote.
Speaker 7: And what I have found to.
Speaker 8: Be most useful is making sure that they understand the
Speaker 8: stakes in this race and talking about things that they
Speaker 8: care about. I've mentioned a couple of times now, the
Speaker 8: unchecked corruption that we've had going on, nearly one hundred
Speaker 8: million dollars worth of welfare funds. To me, that's finding
Speaker 8: those factors that really motivate them to get out to
Speaker 8: the polls, because a lot of times, especially with my race,
Speaker 8: you really have to educate people on how the attorney
Speaker 8: general directly impacts their life. Right now, it's easy for
Speaker 8: them to see maybe how the governor does their legislature,
Speaker 8: but okay, so tell me how this chief legal officer
Speaker 8: affects our life, and so getting out there and educating
Speaker 8: them on how the age has left this money unchecked, right,
Speaker 8: and how he has used this office to pursue this
Speaker 8: agenda of banning abortions not just in our state but
Speaker 8: just across the country, and that one of her goals
Speaker 8: is to use that Dobbs decision and are our immediate
Speaker 8: trigger laws here in Mississippi to criminalize medical providers when
Speaker 8: we can barely keep them in this state. So, I mean,
Speaker 8: you know, it's just really touching in on that. And also,
Speaker 8: I'll say another thing they've really found interesting in a
Speaker 8: state that we really depend on our workers and farmers,
Speaker 8: I think it's interesting that we do not have a
Speaker 8: dedicated a labor division in our state. So we have
Speaker 8: no Department of Labor, there's no dedicated division under the
Speaker 8: Attorney General's office is to support and dedicate resources to
Speaker 8: Mississippi workers. And so that is something that is one
Speaker 8: of the top priorities for me. A lot of people
Speaker 8: are very interested to know that, especially given how industry
Speaker 8: and farm driven our state is.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the big scandal
Speaker 1: with building those enormous stadiums.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that, because that is pretty interesting.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, so just a little background, and just a great
Speaker 8: shout out to Misissippi Today, the reporter that has reported
Speaker 8: on this just won a Pulitzerprise for this reporting of
Speaker 8: what she calls the back Channel. And so I've encouraged
Speaker 8: folks to read about it because it's a crazy.
Speaker 2: Situation saved by local news.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You would never know this story if it weren't for
Speaker 1: local news exactly.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just it was an awesome research. But
Speaker 8: what we had is a nearly one hundred million dollars
Speaker 8: theft of what's called tanna funds. An acronymic escapes me
Speaker 8: right now, but essentially it's welfare funding that it's supposed
Speaker 8: to go to underserved communities in our state. And what
Speaker 8: that does is provide them job training, childcare assistants, things
Speaker 8: that they need in order to get back on their feet.
Speaker 8: And so what we have seen through some pretty strong
Speaker 8: evidence is that we have Republican leaders, donors, you know,
Speaker 8: NFL quarterback, thanks even the personal trainer of our current governor,
Speaker 8: who has benefited directly from this money, and they have
Speaker 8: utilized in a way that was not meant to be used,
Speaker 8: one of which, as you mentioned, was establishing a volleyball
Speaker 8: stadium at one of our universities here in Mississippi.
Speaker 2: This was money that was supposed to go towards fighting
Speaker 2: pover day. That's right.
Speaker 8: These were supposed to go to some of our more
Speaker 8: underserved communities in this state. And essentially, my opponent has
Speaker 8: shirked her duties and no investigation or prosecution has come
Speaker 8: out of the Attorney General's office as it relates to
Speaker 8: this situation. Because these are her friends, right, these are
Speaker 8: Republican donors. This is our former Republican governor Phil.
Speaker 7: Bryant, who is taught caught up into this mess.
Speaker 8: And she doesn't want to do that. And I'll be
Speaker 8: perfectly frank with you, she's scared again. I've called her
Speaker 8: one of the gold star students of the Republican Party,
Speaker 8: and she doesn't want to lose that support. And in
Speaker 8: the way she doesn't want to lose that, she has
Speaker 8: decided I'm not going to do my job for Mississippians.
Speaker 8: That's wrong. You are there to protect Mississippi's interests. She'd
Speaker 8: rather play games with people's lives than lose support of
Speaker 8: these top Republican leaders and donors.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Will in the end there be no charges on this.
Speaker 8: So what we have seen since our ag will not
Speaker 8: get involved, she has punted this to other agencies. So
Speaker 8: I do believe that there are there will be some
Speaker 8: federal investigation and potentially federal charges that will.
Speaker 3: Come of this.
Speaker 8: But we all know what's going to happen, right We're
Speaker 8: going to have a Republican saying, oh, the federal government's
Speaker 8: coming in and bullying their way into this case. Well,
Speaker 8: they're doing that because our state government won't look into this.
Speaker 8: They have also had some several charges come up within
Speaker 8: Hines County here in Mississippi, So there are some things
Speaker 8: happening around this. But I think it's important for people
Speaker 8: to realize that our top legal officer in this state
Speaker 8: has left this for other people to deal with. She
Speaker 8: has washed her hands of this when this is absolutely
Speaker 8: within her job description. My dad is a police officer
Speaker 8: in t Shringa County. He's running for sheriff right now.
Speaker 8: My mom was a nurse. She's retired, but they taught
Speaker 8: me that justice is about putting others first, and you
Speaker 8: apply justice no matter who you're applying it to, and
Speaker 8: that's what I want to do as attorney general. I'm
Speaker 8: a Democrat. But if a democratic leader requires investigation and
Speaker 8: ultimate prosecution, that's my.
Speaker 2: Job, right, No, no question.
Speaker 1: That's why we're all here, right, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: business we're supposed to be doing here. What do you
Speaker 1: need right now? Are you guys registering voters? I mean,
Speaker 1: how are you going to flip this state?
Speaker 8: First and foremost people that are supportive of this and
Speaker 8: want to join our fight, I truly would love for
Speaker 8: them to go to my website at gretaforag dot com. Obviously,
Speaker 8: we are pushing for fundraising and support even outside of
Speaker 8: the state because clearly we have shown that things that
Speaker 8: go on here in Mississippi can absolutely trickle out into
Speaker 8: the country. But this fight is truly about meeting everyone
Speaker 8: where they are. I want to go around the state
Speaker 8: and talk to the folks about what is important to them,
Speaker 8: you know, and that's Medicaid expansion and bringing back accountability
Speaker 8: and just protecting healthcare freedom.
Speaker 7: When I talk to people.
Speaker 8: You know, they know that our current AG is ineffective
Speaker 8: and she's corrupt. And even the ones that don't know
Speaker 8: about her involvement in overturning Roe, you know, they know her.
Speaker 8: And when we talk about Roe and her involvement. They
Speaker 8: are even more ready to get rid of or and
Speaker 8: send her to the unemployment line. So again, you know,
Speaker 8: education is going to be at the forefront of this campaign.
Speaker 8: And to do that, obviously we got to have money,
Speaker 8: we got to have support. We truly are relying on
Speaker 8: several agencies in the state to help us get out
Speaker 8: the vote.
Speaker 7: And I'll be meeting people where they are everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good, Thank you so much. I hope you'll
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 7: Noo, Jesse Cannon, Molly Jong Fast.
Speaker 5: This George Santos character always up to something, but this
Speaker 5: time he's caught for something.
Speaker 2: Imagine how bad you have to be.
Speaker 1: The DOJ arrested why not George Sandos if that's his name,
Speaker 1: which again probably is. He was then booked on many
Speaker 1: counts wirefraud campaign finance. I always think it's interesting, like
Speaker 1: the guy is a serial liar, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the sort of more offensive things he lied about, for example,
Speaker 1: as a Jew myself, like he lied that he had
Speaker 1: parents who were Holocaust survivors. He lied that his mother
Speaker 1: as someone who's lived through you know, who lived in
Speaker 1: New York during nine to eleven, he lied that his
Speaker 1: mother was in the trade center.
Speaker 2: She wasn't.
Speaker 1: Those things are actually not illegal, so what they got
Speaker 1: him on is not the stuff that really makes you
Speaker 1: dislike the guy. The stuff that they got him on
Speaker 1: is more technical stuff like wirefraud. But either way, he
Speaker 1: gets our moment of fuck grade a day because he
Speaker 1: got five hundred thousand dollars in bail from three people
Speaker 1: and we don't know who they are. Is it Harlan Crow,
Speaker 1: Probably not, because he deals with higher value candidates, But
Speaker 1: whoever it is, they are our moment of fuckery. That's
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