1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Mitt Romney says Trump is not 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: fit to be president again after losing his defamation suit 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: to Egene Carroll. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: We have a great show for you today. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Rhode Island Senator and frequent flyer to Fast Politics, Sheldon 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: Whitehouse tells us about the newest revelations of how dark 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: money is affecting our democracy and more specifically, our Supreme Court. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Greta Kemp Martin, who's running for 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: AG in the state of Mississippi, hoping to unseat the 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: age who brought the Dobbs decision. But first we have 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the Mary Trump Shows's host, the one the Only Mary Trump. 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, fan favorite, my personal favorite, Mary Trump. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: Hey, Molly, how are you? 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I am just delighted that you could join me because 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: I actually was watching some of this town hall last 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: night and I was thinking to myself, well, I'm masochistic, obviously, 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: but I was seeing myself there's this really important psychological 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: component to trump Ism and Trump that you, being both 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: his niece and a clinical psychologist, are uniquely, Like, you know, 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: it's funny because it's like I'll go to therapy and 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: talk about my family and it's many nuances. Your family's 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: many nuances matter more. 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: Sadly, I mean, so do you. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing I was thinking about 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: last night, was we were watching him and he was saying, 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, he'd say something like he's called Kaitlyn Collins 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: a very you're nasty woman like and the crowd seered 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: explain to me what that is is like that ability 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: to I. 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: Think it's less about his ability. He's literally just who 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: he is. It's not nuanced, it's not strategic. It is 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 4: that for reasons that we are going to be trying 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: to suss out for the until the end of history, 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: maybe a million years. 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: Who knows. 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 4: He has been given an opportunity time and time again 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 4: to be himself right exactly. So I think you put 40 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: your finger on what's really important here, the people in 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: that audience who are setting in for his base or 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: his followers, and that's actually thinking about this the other day. 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: It's like it just comes naturally to say his followers, right. 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 4: Nobody ever uses that word with any other politicians voters. 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: They say supporters or constituents, or nobody uses the word 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: followers except for this Republican base visa. 47 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: VI Donald, Right, So I don't even know. 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: I mean, it's always important to understand what's going on, 49 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: but I think we need to understand what's going on 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: with them in order to make sure that they get 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 4: completely cordoned off from participating beyond casting one vote in 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 4: anything having to do with the American experiment going forward. 53 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: So what I think a lot of people understandably forget 54 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: sometimes is that we cannot use our feelings about Donald, 55 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: our reactions to Donald, to stand in for other people. 56 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: They don't see him the way we see him. 57 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think that is like a very very 58 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: very important data point, and that is the fascinating warshack 59 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. You'll hear people, and I think one 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: of the things that happened during the time when you 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: would see these anchors do these monologues about Donald Trump, 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: where they would talk about how disgusted by him they were. 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: It wasn't effective to other people, not at all. 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's because those other people saw something different, 65 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: you know. 66 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: I actually I want to amend something I said. 67 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely true there, we cannot judge their 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: reactions through the prism of our reactions at all. 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: Those are qualitative for the. 70 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: Different I don't necessarily think they see him differently. It's 71 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: just that they value what they see in him very 72 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 4: differently from how we do. So okay, Yes, there are 73 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: the diluted few who do see the guy who looks 74 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 4: like a superhero, right, you know, they do see the 75 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: guy wearing the Special Forces uniform, riding around in a tank, 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 4: even though the Jim Norton paintings, yes, you know, holding 77 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: the Constitution whatever, even though he's clearly not in good 78 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: shape and he hasn't been for decades, and even though 79 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: he got five deferments and never served a day in 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: his life. 81 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, those people are totally delusional. 82 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: But I have to be honest with you, I'm pretty 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 4: sure that's how donaldsy is himself when he looks in 84 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: the mirror. 85 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Right, no question, absolutely. 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: For most of them, it's that they actually identify with 87 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: the things that repulse us. They identify with his being 88 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: a loser, And for them it's aspirational though he's a loser, 89 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: but look how spectacularly he's been allowed to fail upwards, Right. 90 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: They love his laws. 91 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: They love that he gets away with lying to that degree. 92 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 4: They love the cruelty. I mean, I think that's been 93 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: obvious for a really long time now. So again it's 94 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: not like, oh, if only they. 95 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: Could see who he really is. Well, that's what they 96 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: love about. 97 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: I mean, they love that this man who is literally 98 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 4: stands in for them. He shares their grievances, he shares 99 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: their sense of victimization because for him, those things are 100 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: quite real, as bizarre as that might sound. Once we 101 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: get everybody to kind of agree that that's what's going 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: on here, we can stop pretending that it's worth wasting 103 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: our time on anybody who voted for Donald Trump twice. 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: One of the things that Trump is very good at 105 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: is just lying. You know. 106 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: You say, well that the sky is blue, and they said, no, 107 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: it's green. I can tell you it's green, and then 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: everybody cheers. How would you like in your mind, how 109 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: do you think you would be able to get into 110 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: a more of a sky is actually blue? 111 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Discourse with him? Is there a way? Is there? Someone? 112 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: Yeah? 113 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, of course. 114 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: I don't know that a journalist could do it, or 115 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: that a journalist who would do it would be allowed. 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: To do it. 117 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: It would have to be somebody running against him. Interesting 118 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: who just realizes that if it's a Republican, that his 119 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 4: or her political future is much less important than stopping him, right, 120 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 4: or a Democrat who understan answer what's at stake? 121 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: And it's very simple. 122 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: You're lying. 123 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: You lost the popular vote in twenty sixteen. 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: You lost the election in twenty twenty by five million 125 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: more votes than you lost in twenty sixteen. 126 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: You perpetuate this big lie. 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: Do you understand how destructive that is to the democracy 128 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: you purport to want to lead again, You're responsible for 129 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans because of 130 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: your willful and malignant and competent you know, on and 131 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: on and on, and you don't let up. He calls 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: you a nasty person. You say, granted, but answer the 133 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: fucking question. 134 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: This is my question here. 135 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: And I say this as you and I are both 136 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: feminists pretty passionately. So I don't think he respects women 137 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: in a way that they would be able to challenge 138 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: him like that. 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: That's a question. 140 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: Well, he doesn't respect anybody. Yeah, So I don't think 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: it's that. I think it's more in a different role. 142 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi could do it, you know, Hillary Clinton could 143 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: do it, but they're not available from this kind of thing, 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: and he wouldn't subject himself. 145 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 2: To it anyway. 146 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: I don't know Katele Collins, and I don't know if 147 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: she was contractually obligated to do that to herself last night. 148 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: So I think the bigger problem, as you said at 149 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: the beginning, was the crowd, not just in terms of 150 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: the danger that they represent, but in terms of how 151 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: it emboldened him to have the worst things he said, 152 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: including most of his lies, cheered to that degree, which 153 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: made her job harder. But you need somebody who is 154 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: just willing to tell him to shut up, answer the question, 155 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: or literally, we'll just shut it down because you're lying 156 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: and we cannot allow you to continue to lie to 157 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: the American people. 158 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: Sorry, like that is little, And to make it clear 159 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,479 Speaker 2: that you don't. 160 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: Respect his power, that he's just a candidate in this context, 161 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: and he's a I don't want to say dangerous because 162 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: that would make him think he's cool. But he was 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,359 Speaker 4: impeached twice, he has been found libel, he's a sexual abuser, 164 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 4: he's a defamer. You know, you need to point out 165 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: all of the things that make him so unfit for 166 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 4: the role he seeks to hold once again. And I 167 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 4: say a role in a very conscious way, because it's 168 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: just something he's playing at to make money. Short of that, though, 169 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: he needs to be brought up short, and the only 170 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: way to do that is to be very blunt about 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 4: who he is and what will not be allowed. 172 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: If you had a Republican Leagah Mitch McConnell, who decided 173 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: they were going to just give it all up to 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: bring him down, that is the scenario that I think 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: keeps him up at night. 176 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: Do you agree? Or you think he just knows it's 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: not going to happen now because he's been allowed to 178 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: get away with so much. 179 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's too amorphous for him to 180 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: grapple with. You know, I think he if anything keeps 181 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: him up at night beyond the twelve diet cokes that 182 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: he drinks every day, it's things like Georgia because now, 183 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: especially now that he realizes he is vulnerable and he 184 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 4: can be found liable or guilty by a jury of 185 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: his peers. You know, I think it's little not that 186 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: those are little things, but it's more concrete things that 187 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: are having a direct effect on him. And also there's 188 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 4: literally no reason for him to think that's going to happen, 189 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 4: and I don't think it's going to So he has learned, 190 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: and he talked about this. His poll numbers go up 191 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 4: every time he does something horrific or is found to 192 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: have done something horrific. 193 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: And the problem for him though. 194 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: And again this is not a slam dunk here because 195 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: of Jerry Maddering's voter suppression voter subversion, but his numbers 196 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: are going up in a pool of voters that's shrinking. 197 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have decided that his worst qualities are what they. 198 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: Love about him. 199 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 4: Yes, that's absolutely true, because they identify with them, and 200 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: they give those qualities give them permission, you know. I mean, 201 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: I've said many times that that twenty five to twenty 202 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 4: eight percent of base voters on the Republican side are 203 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: supposed to be walled off from participating in the American 204 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: experiment beyond the one vote they're allowed to cast. 205 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: I think, I think that's one of the purposes of liberal. 206 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: Democracy, right, But for two years, that twenty eight percent 207 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: was represented by one hundred percent of the federal government. 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that disease metastasized. 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: And now we're dealing with a much bigger percentage of 210 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: people who either learned that they like these things or 211 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: realize that they don't have to hide their love of 212 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: them anymore. And that's you know, that's how you get 213 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: from sixty two to the seventy four million voters voting 214 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: for this. 215 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not strange because we have talked about 216 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: this a nauseum, but I continue to be amazed by it. 217 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter why they love it, but they definitely 218 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: do love it. And I mean I wasn't surprised. I 219 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: thought this was coming. But when Trump was indicted in 220 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: New York, the biggest loser, the political loser in that situation, 221 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: was Rond DeSantis. 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: What a world? 223 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 4: What a world? Or I should say, what a country. 224 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, I do think it matters why, 225 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: but it's you know, unfortunately that's not the most urgent issue. 226 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: Like we're going to have to figure that out though 227 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: in the long run for sure. 228 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, you're right. For our purposes, it doesn't matter 229 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: right now. We don't have the luxury of doing that 230 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 4: deep dive. And I think that's that cut a couple 231 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 4: of ways. First, of all, it just shows you how 232 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: completely bought in they are to this idea that the 233 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 4: thing that matters most is power and impunity. And secondly, 234 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 4: it underscores the degree to which, and increasingly the cult 235 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: of personality and charisma function in our politics. On the right, 236 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 4: the reason Ron Decentis doesn't have a political future on 237 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 4: the national stage isn't because he's a fascist. 238 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: It's because he's not a charismatic fascist. 239 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Right. I have to say, I don't want to laugh 240 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: because it's so scary. 241 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: Well, what else, what's the alternative? But it is? I 242 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: mean that's right. 243 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean there's no policy disagreement here. It's more just 244 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: a question of like do people want to have a 245 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: beer with him? 246 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: And they don't? Or a right exactly no flatwear alone. 247 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: Right. It also just underscores that they were talking about earlier, 248 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: how it I think it just strikes at the heart 249 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: of those of us who are like, but you'd want 250 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: to have a beer with Donald? 251 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: For the all, Donald wouldn't have a beer. 252 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: With any of you. 253 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 4: And it's not because he doesn't drink alcohol that he 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't have a beer with them. 255 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: He disdains all of you. 256 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: He would step over you if you were bleeding out 257 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: on the sidewalk and say, oh my god, that's disgusting. 258 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: But you know, here we are. 259 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you've ever met him, but 260 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: if you do meet him in person, you get it. 261 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: You're like, oh, yeah, I mean it doesn't appeal to me, 262 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: but I get it. There's that thing there, you know, 263 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: that indecipherable, ineluctable thing. 264 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm so struck by just how much trump Ism has 266 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's one man. Do you think some factor 267 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: of this is that he was on television? 268 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 4: Oh my god, totally, which is why Mark Burnett should 269 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: go down in history as one of the most. 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: Despicable creatures to roam the earth. 271 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,479 Speaker 4: This doesn't happen without The Apprentice, because up until The Apprentice, 272 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: he was just a guy who filed for bankruptcy a 273 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: lot of times and was allowed to live the luxurious 274 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: lifestyle they lived because his banks put him. 275 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: On an allowance of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: a month. Nice work if you can get it. 277 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, few people have benefited more from the affluent white 278 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: man welfare. 279 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody has benefited more, because you know, 280 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: in addition, to that he also got a couple of 281 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: bucks from his daddy. 282 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: In that way, he's very much like Elon Musk. Yeah, 283 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: they have more in common than I care to think about. Yeah, 284 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: it's so interesting. 285 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: I continue to be, you know, one of your biggest fans, 286 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that you have to do this more 287 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: because I know you would. Just your dream is to 288 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: not have to fucking talk about this. As a NEPO 289 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: baby myself, you know, my nightmare is talking about my 290 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: mother again and again and again. So I like, so 291 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this for us, and. 292 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: It is time for all hands on deck again. 293 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: I'll have to do our because yeah, because listen, you 294 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: know there's self interest here too, because if we don't 295 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: do this now. 296 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: We're going to be dealing with this forever. 297 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, but probably from an undisclosed location in another country. 298 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no question, I mean no question. Thanks Mary, 299 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. 300 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: Mollie. 301 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: Sheldon white House is the junior Senator from the state 302 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: of Rhode Island. 303 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Best Politics, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse. 304 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: Good to be with you again, Mollie. 305 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: We're delighted to have you. The first thing I want 306 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: to get into is the Senate Budget Committee. 307 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: You out the hearing on the New. 308 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: Republican it's not the budget because they're just trying not 309 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: to pay their bills, but it's pretty amazing. Talk to 310 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: us about where the big oil giveaways are, well. 311 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 5: They're all over the place. If you're looking for a 312 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 5: tell about what is really going on in the MAGA 313 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: Republican's Ransom Bill, two hundred and seventy five out of 314 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: three and and fifteen pages of the bill are devoted 315 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 5: to giveaways to the fossil fuel industry, and they include 316 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 5: things like undoing the recent fee that we imposed on 317 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 5: oil and gas industry polluters when they release improper methane leaks. Now, 318 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 5: there's really no excuse for a methane leak, and we 319 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 5: didn't get a whole lot of pushback against that, but 320 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 5: the oil and gas industry, despite the fact that the 321 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 5: fee actually helps the federal budget, I mean, it actually 322 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 5: reduces the deficit, and supposedly the Republicans are supposedly concerned 323 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: about the deficit, They're willing to run up the deficit 324 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 5: to encourage methane leaks as long as it's the fossil 325 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: fuel industry, which of course connects very obviously into the 326 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 5: fossil fuel industry through its dark money, superpacks and front 327 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 5: groups more or less prop up the Republican Party. 328 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about this because this is really interesting. 329 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: The fossil fuel influence on the US Supreme Court is pervasive. 330 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: Explained us. 331 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: What that means that fossil fuels have made their way 332 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. 333 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 5: Well, if you look at this Supreme Court, which I 334 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: refer to as the court that dark money built, yes 335 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 5: and enjoys, you see that the Trump appointees came through 336 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 5: a process in which there was a so called Federalist 337 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 5: Society list off of which she was going to choose. 338 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 5: But it's recently been confirmed, actually by a Federalist Society insider, 339 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 5: that there was no Federalist Society process. There were no 340 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 5: proceedings related to the list. The Federalist Society led its 341 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 5: name to a list, but the list was developed by 342 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 5: Leonard Leo, who was an operative of a bunch of 343 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 5: right wing billionaires, including one who just dropped one point 344 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 5: six billion dollars into his little armada of phony front groups. 345 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 5: So you have justices basically selected in a back room 346 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 5: by billionaires. Then you go down the hall from the 347 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 5: Federal Society to the judicial crisis network literally down the hall, 348 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 5: same building, and there the billionaires are writing checks for 349 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: fifteen million dollars seventeen million dollars to pay for the 350 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 5: ads for these justices, and then once through their confirmation proceedings, 351 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 5: and then once they get them on the court, they're 352 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 5: these flotillas of phony front groups that come in and 353 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 5: file what are called amicus curity eyed briefs, Friend of 354 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 5: the Court briefs, and they use those briefs to instruct 355 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 5: the justices as to what it is that the billionaire 356 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 5: donors expect of them. And of course, unsurprisingly but horrifyingly, 357 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 5: the statistical correlation between what those federalist society billionaire selected 358 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 5: justices do and what the billionaire funded Emmicky CURII have 359 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 5: recommended is statistically perfectly aligned. 360 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: I'm shocked. Who could have seen that coming? 361 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: Who could have seen that coming? 362 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: I feel like. 363 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Harlan Crowe is now the sort of king of this 364 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: kind of malfeasans. Let's talk about these disclosures. Clarence Thomas 365 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: used to disclose until the La Times wrote a story 366 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: about him. Now for the last twenty years, he really 367 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: hasn't you guys, recently asked for a list from Harlon 368 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: crow talk to me about where we are in this cluster. 369 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 5: Harlan Crowe is a right wing billionaire who ingratiated himself 370 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 5: with Justice Thomas once he was on the court and 371 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 5: has been paying for family vacations, family tuition, family rent, 372 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: basically supporting this guy's lifestyle. 373 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: Using Kelly and Conway to funnel him funneled Guinia money. 374 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: That was Leonard Leo, right, Oh sorry, Leonard Leo. 375 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 5: Yes, but when you look at the telltale portrait in 376 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 5: all of this, Leonard Leo and Harlan Crowe and Justice 377 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 5: Thomas are all sitting together, so it's not like there's 378 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: a huge differentiation between Leonard Leo and Harlan Crowe. So 379 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 5: that has created this whole scandal because none of it 380 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 5: was reported, and there's no excuse for some of the 381 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 5: non reporting, and the excuses for the rest of the 382 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 5: non reporting are hollow and phony. So we are looking 383 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 5: into that question of the reporting. The Finance Committee has 384 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 5: asked force of information about whether gift tax was properly 385 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 5: paid on these enormous gifts. 386 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure it was not. 387 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, we were stiff armed by Harlan Crow's lawyers. The 388 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 5: Judiciary Committee has asked for information. I suspect the response 389 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 5: will be about the same. And the problem for them 390 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 5: is that when you look into this secretive funding of 391 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 5: the Thomas household, it opens into this larger scheme of 392 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 5: billionaire influence and control over the right wing just justices 393 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 5: of the Supreme Court. So they're desperate to try to 394 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: stop this before we get into any real further information. 395 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 5: But I think we're going to just persist. I intend 396 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 5: to persist anyway, and we're going to continue to dig 397 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 5: into this. We're going to find the information. I hope 398 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 5: people will come forward, maybe even whistleblowers, and the full 399 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 5: extent of what appears to be rock solid, old fashioned 400 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 5: corruption at the Supreme Court will be exposed. 401 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: You've asked the DOJ to look into this. I mean, 402 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: are you frustrated with this? 403 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: DOOJ? 404 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: We're actually not quite there yet. 405 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: I asked the Chief Justice to start the process that 406 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 5: ends up with a referral to the Attorney General of 407 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: whether or not the failure to disclose was wilful, And 408 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 5: if the failure disclosed was wilful, then civil finds can 409 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 5: be assessed and the Chief Justice referred that to the 410 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: Digital Conference, who in turn referred it to their Financial 411 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: Disclosure Committee. So we're waiting for the Financial Disclosure Committee 412 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 5: to act. The Financial Disclosure Committee's job is to find 413 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 5: out if there is reasonable cause for a reasonable person 414 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 5: to believe that it might have been wilful, in which 415 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 5: case they send it to the Attorney General to actually 416 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 5: make the determination whether it was wilful and then pursue 417 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 5: civil fines. 418 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: So Senator Dick Durbin was on the Sunday Shows and 419 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: he was talking about this idea that you know, you 420 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: could tell he was trying to appeal to Justice Roberts. 421 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: You'll remember that before these three Trump justices, Justice Roberts 422 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: was very concerned with the legacy of his court and 423 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: he was trying to make the case that Justice Roberts 424 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: really does have the power and I think he does 425 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: to bring some order back to the court. 426 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 2: Do you think that will work? 427 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: Yes, I actually do, and I think that the way 428 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 5: it's going to work is through the other federal judges. 429 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 5: There's a thing called the Judicial Conference which oversees the 430 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 5: administrative side of the judicial branch of government. The Chief 431 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 5: Justice chairs it, but it's made up of the chief 432 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 5: judges of all the circuit courts of appeal and of 433 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: chief judges from district courts around the country. And my 434 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 5: belief is that those judges are absolutely fed up with 435 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 5: the mischief and the shenanigans at the Supreme Court. And 436 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 5: they're doubly fed up because they know perfectly well that 437 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 5: they could never get away with that kind of nonsense, 438 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 5: that what's going on with the Supreme Court is in 439 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 5: flagrant violation of reporting and ethics laws and principles. And furthermore, thirdly, 440 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 5: they're even more aggravated because when the Supreme Court says, 441 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: nothing to see here, folks, this is just the way 442 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 5: judges behave. 443 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: It makes all of them look bad. 444 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: Like they might actually be doing the same kind of stuff, 445 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: and they know perfectly well that they aren't, that they can't, 446 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: and that. 447 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: They'd get in big trouble if they did. 448 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: So. This whole exercise of having the Supreme Court police 449 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: itself has been many people are saying, an enormous failure, 450 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: complete joke. Do you think that there's any possible chance 451 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: that Thomas could be impeached? 452 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 5: Count the UH Republicans in the House, and count the 453 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 5: Republicans in the Senate and do the math right for them. 454 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: This is entirely political, And to me, it is an 455 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: absolute tell that you have an entire party there's unwilling 456 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 5: to take a look at undisclosed free gifts of hundreds 457 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 5: of thousand dollars worth of vacation rent for the mom, 458 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 5: private school tuitions, all of this stuff, and be willing 459 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 5: to say that that's all okay, just because it's their judge. Now, 460 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 5: if this court weren't politicized, why would the Republicans be 461 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 5: so desperate to defend the indefensible? It to me confirms 462 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 5: my case that this is a court that has been 463 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 5: captured and put to work for the right wing billionaires. 464 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 5: When the Republicans are so completely beholden to the operation 465 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 5: that they won't condemn what is painfully obvious to anybody 466 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 5: is wrong. 467 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Trump really changed the calculus for Republicans. 468 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Trump is still the Republican front runner, and 469 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: yesterday at court ordered him to pay one of his twenty. 470 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: Six accusers of sexual assault. 471 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 472 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think that's kind of incredible? 473 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, The fact that that's not the end of his career, 474 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: and that so many Republicans are still standing by him 475 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 5: and saying that this is no big deal. 476 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: Folks. 477 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: I was struck by Tommy Tubervell's defense that he wanted 478 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: to vote for him again. 479 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 2: Do you think he ends up being the Republican front runner? 480 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: And sort of more to the point, I mean, do 481 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: you think that Republicans can switch now? 482 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 5: There's a very good chance that he's still the Republican 483 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 5: front runner, and they're going to have to address with 484 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: lots of voters who are concerned about this stuff, not 485 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 5: just their red hot, fossil fuel funded Fox News fed base. 486 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 5: The problem of putting forward to the American people a 487 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 5: candidate who's been found liable for sexual assaults, who has 488 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 5: been charged with offenses. By then, I suspect there'll be 489 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 5: a considerable number of offenses that he will have been 490 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 5: charged with as a criminal defendant. 491 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: Good luck with that. 492 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: They have reaped what they saw. You're in the Senate, 493 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: and the Senate has sort of managed to work despite 494 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: the craziness. What is your secret there? 495 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 5: We've had a pretty solid Democratic majority on most things. 496 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 5: There have been a few unfortunate times when we couldn't 497 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 5: gather a Senate majority, But I think We've just worked 498 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 5: very deliberately with the Republicans where that's possible, and without 499 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 5: them when they refuse to cooperate, to do things like 500 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 5: the Big bipartis an infrastructure bill, but also the Big 501 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 5: Inflation Reduction Act. That was our first big climate measure, 502 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 5: our first step to hold pharma accountable, and our first 503 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 5: adjustment to the tax dodging practices of the super rich. 504 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 6: What is the thing right now that's keeping you up 505 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 6: at night. It's still climate change. It's still you know, 506 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: the IRA made progress on climate change. We have a 507 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 6: lot more work to do. And what's frustrating is that 508 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 6: the fossil fuel industry still funds a whole armada of 509 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 6: sleazy front groups who usually hide their fossil fuel funding 510 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 6: as best they can, but sooner or later it comes out, 511 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 6: and they spend an enormous amount of time and effort 512 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 6: here in Congress to defeat climate legislation. And some of 513 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 6: them are actually pretty well known. One of the worst, 514 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 6: believe it or not, is the US Chamber of Commerce, 515 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 6: which is pretty stunning. It's been ranked by Influence Map 516 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 6: as one of the worst climate obstructors in America. And 517 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 6: you know, we all have chambers of commerce at home 518 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 6: that are all very nice people who argue for local businesses. 519 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 5: And are friendly and community oriented. And then you've got 520 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 5: this US Chamber of Commerce which is a worst climate 521 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 5: obstructor and take gobs of money from the fossil fuel 522 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 5: industry that it won't disclose. 523 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. Thank you so much, senator. 524 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: My pleasure, Thanks so much for having me on. 525 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: Hi. 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Molly. 541 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: All right, tell us what you're running for first. 542 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 8: I am running to be the next Attorney General for 543 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 8: the state of Mississippi. 544 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: Mississippi, Yes, that's a red state. Oh boy, tell us 545 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: why you can win in Mississippi. 546 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: Plain and simple. 547 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 8: I can win because this state deserves better, and I'm 548 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 8: the person to do better for the state. Historically, this 549 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 8: has been a Democratic seat when Fitch, my opponent, is 550 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 8: actually the exception, not the rule. And I believe that 551 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 8: Mississippi is ready for a change. Are my opponent. She's 552 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 8: abused this office as a way to get her rich 553 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 8: friends even richer, and has looked the other way as 554 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 8: they've sold a nearly one hundred million dollars in funding 555 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 8: from the people that need it most in this state. 556 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 8: And you know, she's used this office as her own 557 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 8: personal springboard to overturn Row versus Wade. I've had enough, 558 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 8: fellow Mississippians, have had enough, And you know, I hope 559 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 8: people will support us and join in this fight and 560 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 8: check us out at gretathurag dot com. 561 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about the age you're running against. 562 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: The case you are talking about is Dobbs versus Jackson. 563 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: It is the case that these Republicans use to overturn Row. 564 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: So you are at ground zero for this fight. 565 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: Tell us what it is like in Mississippian what women 566 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: feel about having their age overturn row. 567 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 8: So, you know, being in Mississippi, as you mentioned before, 568 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 8: it's a red state, so the issue of abortion is 569 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 8: always a hot topic. 570 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 7: And always has been. But right now Mississippians are mad. 571 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 8: Our Attorney general seems to care about anything and everything 572 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 8: but Mississippi. She's shown that in a couple of instances, 573 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 8: won most recently by leading a group of ages to 574 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 8: attack heartbeat law in Ohio. Of course, she also joined 575 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 8: the lawsuit about junk science in Texas. So she's truly 576 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 8: pushing an agenda across the country, but she has forgotten 577 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 8: about people right here in Mississippi. You know, we have 578 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 8: seen Republicans launch these full scale attacks state by state 579 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 8: on abortion rights. But people in Mississippi, they care about 580 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 8: their health care freedoms. I don't believe that my opponent, 581 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 8: nor anybody else in state leadership is paying attention to 582 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 8: what Mississippians really want and honestly, what they need. 583 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: This is a thing we're seeing again and again in 584 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: these Republican legislatures is these Republicans have real goals that 585 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: have almost nothing to do with their local constituents. 586 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 8: Are you finding that, yes, absolutely, Mississippians have expressed time 587 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 8: and time again what they need right. They need healthcare here, 588 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 8: they need Medicaid expansion. We need full Medicaid expansion, not 589 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 8: piecemeal wins that the Republicans are trying to pass off 590 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 8: as helping them. They want health care freedom. They want 591 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 8: good physicians in this state, and we want to be 592 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 8: able to keep our physicians. We want to make sure 593 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 8: that our doctors feel safe in providing adequate healthcare to 594 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 8: our citizens. You know, my opponent's actions make it very 595 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 8: clear that this fight is about increasing women's suffering. Overturning 596 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 8: Row is not the endgame. They are not done. This 597 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 8: is about controlling women's bodies. And you know, honestly, I 598 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 8: think Mississippians understand that. 599 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting because we had the great Jams Carvell on 600 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: this podcast as we often do, and he was talking 601 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: about your top of the ticket with Governor Presley. 602 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: Can you talk to me a little bit about what 603 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: your ticket looks like. 604 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 8: We have a really dynamic to get starting with the 605 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 8: top at Brandon Presley. Right now, we have a radical 606 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 8: governor in Mississippi that supports our abortion ban that makes 607 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 8: no exception for rap or incest. He is someone who 608 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 8: has expressed an openness to banning birth control. So clearly 609 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 8: the future Governor Presley and I agree that Tate Reeves 610 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 8: needs to be kicked out of office in order to 611 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 8: move our state forward. I have never seen movement like 612 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 8: what Brandon Pressley has brought to a electioneer this early. 613 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 8: And what we have in both Governor Reeves and my 614 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 8: opponent is an ignorance of the issue that's most important 615 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 8: to Mississippians. And both brand and Pressley and myself come 616 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 8: from an area of our state filled with working families 617 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 8: and people that struggle and work paycheck to paycheck, and 618 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 8: so what he and I are both up against our 619 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 8: leaders who have not only abused their office and ignored corruption, 620 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 8: but have been negligent and it has resulted in in 621 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 8: hurting working families. Our leaders are just out of touch. 622 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 8: We are both running against two people who truly do 623 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 8: not know what real Mississippians go through day to day. 624 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: So let's talk about Tate Reeves. Because Tate Reeves. 625 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: Has a really big national profile and he's sort of 626 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: sold himself as less maga, but that's not really true, 627 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: is it? 628 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 7: That is not true? 629 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 8: Tate Reeves and lend Fitz are what I like to 630 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 8: call gold star students for the Republican Party and the 631 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 8: MAGA Front. They are focused everywhere but Mississippi and that 632 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 8: it's evidence and how they have ignored what their constituents want. 633 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 8: They are putting parisanship before people. They've refused every opportunity 634 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 8: to expand Medicaid in a state that I can't overly 635 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 8: express what kind of healthcare crisis we are in here 636 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,959 Speaker 8: in Mississippi. 637 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about that, will you? Yeah? 638 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 8: Absolutely, The percentage of rural hospitals that we have closing 639 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 8: on an annual basis is startling. I believe the last 640 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 8: time I looked where at almost forty percent of rural 641 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 8: hospitals are it at immediate risks to close, while our 642 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 8: leaders refuse to expand Medicaid and take in this funding 643 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 8: that could assist that. I mean, we're talking about people 644 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 8: in certain areas what I call healthcare deserts in our 645 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 8: state that takes hours to get to emergency medical care. 646 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 8: So you know, for example, you'll have potentially a pregnant 647 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 8: person in the Mississippi delta who requires specialized OBG in care. 648 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 8: It may take them two to three hours to get 649 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 8: to a healthcare facility that is equipped when they go 650 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 8: into labor. It is outstanding that the state leaders in 651 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 8: Mississippi are looking at the same data that I am. 652 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 8: They just cannot be. It almost makes you feel like 653 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 8: you're crazy. We can't be reading the same data and 654 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 8: you continuously ignoring what Mississippians need with. 655 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: This rural hospital crisis. 656 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: Republicans really don't want to take this Medicare expansion even 657 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: though they can. They don't want to do it on 658 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: the sort of principle I guess that this would help 659 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: poor people. So you have these royal hospitals for which 660 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: are closing, and you have a real problem with women 661 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: wanting to get healthcare. 662 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: Now, I want a dovetail. 663 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: On that for a minute and ask you about the 664 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: problem that pregnant women are having now, which is you 665 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: are pregnant in that state, you have a miscarriage, you're 666 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: out of lock. 667 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 8: Right, that's right, because what we have seen in the 668 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 8: post op landscape here in Mississippi, I know many other 669 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 8: states are seeing it as well. You're seeing doctors who 670 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 8: are scared to appropriately diagnose pregnant people when they have 671 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 8: significant issues that pop up during their pregnancy. 672 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 7: You have doctors who feel. 673 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 8: Like they have to get on the phone with their 674 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 8: lawyers before they make adequate health care decisions with their patients, 675 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 8: and that is egregious. It's disgusting. Actually, just read a 676 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 8: story out of Oklahoma about a lady who was diagnosed 677 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 8: with a molar pregnancy, which is a completely non viable pregnancy, 678 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 8: who was told before they could help her, she'd have 679 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 8: to bleed out in the parking lot because it has 680 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 8: to reach the point of seriousness before they feel comfortable 681 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 8: doing what they need to do. 682 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 7: To help someone. 683 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 8: If you can read that and not be completely gut punched, 684 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 8: I don't understand that kind of logic. And that is 685 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 8: what my opponent is advocating for. She is advocating not 686 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 8: just in Mississippi, because let me tell you, her agenda 687 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 8: is not just here in Mississippi, it is across the country. 688 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered about that. 689 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: What we've now seen is that Roe is wildly popular 690 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: and that people want women to be able to get 691 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: treatment for miscarriages and even to end a pregnancy. So 692 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, did they have any excuse for this, well, 693 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: especially with my opponent. 694 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 8: You know, her position is that she is doing this 695 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 8: to empower women. She has used the the Dobs what 696 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 8: I call her Dobs media tour to establish and I'm 697 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 8: doing air quotes here empowerment agenda. I don't know about 698 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 8: anybody else, but this is not empowerment. Everywhere I have 699 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 8: went in the state, nobody, certainly nobody feels empowered. 700 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 7: When they think about empowerment. 701 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 8: They are thinking about somebody fighting for equal pay for 702 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 8: equal work, someone fighting for paid parental leave, someone fighting 703 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 8: for you know, assistance with childcare. I think my favorite 704 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 8: quote post Dobbs is my opponent put out there that 705 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 8: she believes this empowers women because they can just get 706 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 8: their daycare or their nanny to help them, or. 707 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 7: They can get their family. 708 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 8: I mean it shows a complete just out of touch 709 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 8: with with Mississippians and what Mississippians are facing. I can 710 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 8: start on several statistics, but just the poverty level here 711 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 8: in Mississippi. Idea that one of our state leaders could 712 00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 8: believe that Mississippians are hiring nannies and that Mississippians eyes 713 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 8: a community or a family that could jump in and 714 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 8: help them. It's unreal and so out of touch with 715 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 8: what's going on here. 716 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about what Mississippi looks like demographically? 717 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: How do you win as a Democrat in Mississippi. 718 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,919 Speaker 8: First and foremost, we have to motivate people to get 719 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 8: out and vote in August to November. I do not 720 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 8: have a primary in August, but of course our primaries 721 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 8: are very important, but we have to motivate Mississippians to 722 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 8: get out there and vote. 723 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 7: And what I have found to. 724 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 8: Be most useful is making sure that they understand the 725 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 8: stakes in this race and talking about things that they 726 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 8: care about. I've mentioned a couple of times now, the 727 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 8: unchecked corruption that we've had going on, nearly one hundred 728 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 8: million dollars worth of welfare funds. To me, that's finding 729 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 8: those factors that really motivate them to get out to 730 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 8: the polls, because a lot of times, especially with my race, 731 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 8: you really have to educate people on how the attorney 732 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 8: general directly impacts their life. Right now, it's easy for 733 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 8: them to see maybe how the governor does their legislature, 734 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 8: but okay, so tell me how this chief legal officer 735 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 8: affects our life, and so getting out there and educating 736 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 8: them on how the age has left this money unchecked, right, 737 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 8: and how he has used this office to pursue this 738 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 8: agenda of banning abortions not just in our state but 739 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 8: just across the country, and that one of her goals 740 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 8: is to use that Dobbs decision and are our immediate 741 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 8: trigger laws here in Mississippi to criminalize medical providers when 742 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 8: we can barely keep them in this state. So, I mean, 743 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 8: you know, it's just really touching in on that. And also, 744 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 8: I'll say another thing they've really found interesting in a 745 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 8: state that we really depend on our workers and farmers, 746 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 8: I think it's interesting that we do not have a 747 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 8: dedicated a labor division in our state. So we have 748 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 8: no Department of Labor, there's no dedicated division under the 749 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 8: Attorney General's office is to support and dedicate resources to 750 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 8: Mississippi workers. And so that is something that is one 751 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 8: of the top priorities for me. A lot of people 752 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 8: are very interested to know that, especially given how industry 753 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 8: and farm driven our state is. 754 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the big scandal 755 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: with building those enormous stadiums. 756 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that, because that is pretty interesting. 757 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 8: Absolutely, so just a little background, and just a great 758 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 8: shout out to Misissippi Today, the reporter that has reported 759 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 8: on this just won a Pulitzerprise for this reporting of 760 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 8: what she calls the back Channel. And so I've encouraged 761 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 8: folks to read about it because it's a crazy. 762 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 2: Situation saved by local news. 763 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 3: Right. 764 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: You would never know this story if it weren't for 765 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: local news exactly. 766 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 8: I mean, it's just it was an awesome research. But 767 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 8: what we had is a nearly one hundred million dollars 768 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 8: theft of what's called tanna funds. An acronymic escapes me 769 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 8: right now, but essentially it's welfare funding that it's supposed 770 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 8: to go to underserved communities in our state. And what 771 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 8: that does is provide them job training, childcare assistants, things 772 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 8: that they need in order to get back on their feet. 773 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 8: And so what we have seen through some pretty strong 774 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 8: evidence is that we have Republican leaders, donors, you know, 775 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 8: NFL quarterback, thanks even the personal trainer of our current governor, 776 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 8: who has benefited directly from this money, and they have 777 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 8: utilized in a way that was not meant to be used, 778 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 8: one of which, as you mentioned, was establishing a volleyball 779 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 8: stadium at one of our universities here in Mississippi. 780 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 2: This was money that was supposed to go towards fighting 781 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 2: pover day. That's right. 782 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 8: These were supposed to go to some of our more 783 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 8: underserved communities in this state. And essentially, my opponent has 784 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 8: shirked her duties and no investigation or prosecution has come 785 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 8: out of the Attorney General's office as it relates to 786 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 8: this situation. Because these are her friends, right, these are 787 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 8: Republican donors. This is our former Republican governor Phil. 788 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 7: Bryant, who is taught caught up into this mess. 789 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 8: And she doesn't want to do that. And I'll be 790 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 8: perfectly frank with you, she's scared again. I've called her 791 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 8: one of the gold star students of the Republican Party, 792 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 8: and she doesn't want to lose that support. And in 793 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 8: the way she doesn't want to lose that, she has 794 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 8: decided I'm not going to do my job for Mississippians. 795 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 8: That's wrong. You are there to protect Mississippi's interests. She'd 796 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 8: rather play games with people's lives than lose support of 797 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 8: these top Republican leaders and donors. 798 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Will in the end there be no charges on this. 799 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 8: So what we have seen since our ag will not 800 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 8: get involved, she has punted this to other agencies. So 801 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 8: I do believe that there are there will be some 802 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 8: federal investigation and potentially federal charges that will. 803 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 3: Come of this. 804 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 8: But we all know what's going to happen, right We're 805 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 8: going to have a Republican saying, oh, the federal government's 806 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 8: coming in and bullying their way into this case. Well, 807 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 8: they're doing that because our state government won't look into this. 808 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 8: They have also had some several charges come up within 809 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 8: Hines County here in Mississippi, So there are some things 810 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 8: happening around this. But I think it's important for people 811 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 8: to realize that our top legal officer in this state 812 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 8: has left this for other people to deal with. She 813 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 8: has washed her hands of this when this is absolutely 814 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 8: within her job description. My dad is a police officer 815 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 8: in t Shringa County. He's running for sheriff right now. 816 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 8: My mom was a nurse. She's retired, but they taught 817 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 8: me that justice is about putting others first, and you 818 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 8: apply justice no matter who you're applying it to, and 819 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 8: that's what I want to do as attorney general. I'm 820 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 8: a Democrat. But if a democratic leader requires investigation and 821 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 8: ultimate prosecution, that's my. 822 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 2: Job, right, No, no question. 823 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: That's why we're all here, right, I mean, that's what 824 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: business we're supposed to be doing here. What do you 825 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: need right now? Are you guys registering voters? I mean, 826 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: how are you going to flip this state? 827 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 8: First and foremost people that are supportive of this and 828 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 8: want to join our fight, I truly would love for 829 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 8: them to go to my website at gretaforag dot com. Obviously, 830 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 8: we are pushing for fundraising and support even outside of 831 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 8: the state because clearly we have shown that things that 832 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 8: go on here in Mississippi can absolutely trickle out into 833 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 8: the country. But this fight is truly about meeting everyone 834 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 8: where they are. I want to go around the state 835 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 8: and talk to the folks about what is important to them, 836 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 8: you know, and that's Medicaid expansion and bringing back accountability 837 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 8: and just protecting healthcare freedom. 838 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 7: When I talk to people. 839 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 8: You know, they know that our current AG is ineffective 840 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 8: and she's corrupt. And even the ones that don't know 841 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 8: about her involvement in overturning Roe, you know, they know her. 842 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 8: And when we talk about Roe and her involvement. They 843 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 8: are even more ready to get rid of or and 844 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 8: send her to the unemployment line. So again, you know, 845 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 8: education is going to be at the forefront of this campaign. 846 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 8: And to do that, obviously we got to have money, 847 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 8: we got to have support. We truly are relying on 848 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 8: several agencies in the state to help us get out 849 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 8: the vote. 850 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 7: And I'll be meeting people where they are everywhere. 851 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so good, Thank you so much. I hope you'll 852 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 2: come back. 853 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 7: Yes, thank you so much for having me. 854 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 4: There. 855 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 7: Noo, Jesse Cannon, Molly Jong Fast. 856 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 5: This George Santos character always up to something, but this 857 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 5: time he's caught for something. 858 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 2: Imagine how bad you have to be. 859 00:47:54,040 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 1: The DOJ arrested why not George Sandos if that's his name, 860 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: which again probably is. He was then booked on many 861 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 1: counts wirefraud campaign finance. I always think it's interesting, like 862 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: the guy is a serial liar, but a lot of 863 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: the sort of more offensive things he lied about, for example, 864 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: as a Jew myself, like he lied that he had 865 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: parents who were Holocaust survivors. He lied that his mother 866 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: as someone who's lived through you know, who lived in 867 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: New York during nine to eleven, he lied that his 868 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: mother was in the trade center. 869 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 2: She wasn't. 870 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: Those things are actually not illegal, so what they got 871 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: him on is not the stuff that really makes you 872 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: dislike the guy. The stuff that they got him on 873 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: is more technical stuff like wirefraud. But either way, he 874 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: gets our moment of fuck grade a day because he 875 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: got five hundred thousand dollars in bail from three people 876 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: and we don't know who they are. Is it Harlan Crow, 877 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: Probably not, because he deals with higher value candidates, But 878 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: whoever it is, they are our moment of fuckery. That's 879 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, 880 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics 881 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what 882 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: you've heard, please send it to a friend and keep 883 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: the conversation going. 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