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Speaker 2: We're back at it again, Jamie. A clue that leads

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Speaker 2: to another clue that leads to another clue that leads

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Speaker 3: Finally reuniting with Helen Mirren. Because wasn't that really the

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was, It's true. Hi, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dorante, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast where

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Speaker 3: we talk about important entries in cinema and talk about

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Speaker 3: how they relate to an intersectional feminist perspective. And boy,

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Speaker 3: do we have a feminist text for you? Humdinger. So

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Speaker 3: on the fourth of July. Because you know, we're reasonable people,

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Speaker 3: we don't feel that there's a ton to celebrate. However,

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Speaker 3: to think that there's a ton to celebrate. So we

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Speaker 3: a movie that is very American coded for better or

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Speaker 3: for worse. Really, last year we did idiocrity an attempt

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Speaker 2: We did that for like a fourth of July episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So last year we did Mike Judge's valiant

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Speaker 3: attempt to comment on the state of America that just

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Speaker 3: we're going for the Millennial Generations attempt at Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 3: We're heading back in to the National Treasure expand universe.

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Speaker 3: And I've got to say this movie has more to

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Speaker 3: say than idiocrasy for me. Sure this movie Caitlin Derante

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Speaker 3: made half a billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: It really did, and we celebrate that.

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Speaker 3: We celebrate And what do American celebrate more than something

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Speaker 3: ridiculous making half a billion dollars. Yeah, it's something that

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Speaker 3: we love to see over here. But first we should

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Speaker 3: talk about what this podcast is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 2: the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. It is

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Speaker 2: a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes

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Speaker 2: this two people of a marginalized gender have to have names,

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Speaker 3: Which is a huge relief because the movie may not

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Speaker 3: concept franchise. Nicholas Cage has to steal an American artifact

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Speaker 3: And then there's a book of Secrets. Also Riley in

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Speaker 2: It's eighteen sixty five. A mysterious man who we will

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Speaker 3: They made him hot.

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Speaker 2: They accomplished a lot. So someone attending this presentation, Mitch

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what happens. Because Mitch is like, what do

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Speaker 2: I have them right here, and they prove that your ancestor,

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Speaker 3: And it's like, get a life job, but they don't

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Speaker 3: with big old eyebrows. But to put him in two

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00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: scenes not very nice. Yeah, he's really disappeared.

435
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: Well, Modern Family hadn't come out yet, so he wasn't

436
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: He wasn't big enough, probably.

437
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: Made to be seventeen dollars doing it.

438
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: For Tie for Tie.

439
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 3: They just made him like horny and weird. And then

440
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: they're like, all right, I think he served his purpose.

441
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: Let's get him out of there. Anyways, we'll get back

442
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: to that because that is connected to the zero movement

443
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: on making Abigail, letting Abigail. Have they let her drive

444
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: a car in this one.

445
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: That's true.

446
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: That's about as far as it gets. Yep, bars on

447
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: the floor.

448
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So then we cut to Riley Pool and.

449
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: We're like, that's Justin Bartha best care. We're screaming, we

450
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: love him, We're crying. He's at borders, okay, two thousands

451
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: borders because he has written his own book of secrets

452
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: about the Templar Treasure aka the plot of National Treasure one.

453
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: But no one is buying his book, and his car

454
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: gets towed and he owes all these back taxes and

455
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: he's not doing so hot with the ladies.

456
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: Classic these are hashtag Riley problems. I love him so much,

457
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: even though he is canonically kind of a creep and

458
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: always feels bad for himself. It's yeah, all these all

459
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: these women coming up being like, why aren't you Nicholas Cage,

460
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: And I'm like, open your eyes, ladies, before you stands

461
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: a real hunk. Justin Bartha's right there. Bartha's right there.

462
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: He's he's so hard on the set of Hangover Too.

463
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: It's gonna end his relationship, but he's gonna party so

464
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: hard he gets dumped. Okay, So Riley helps Ben break

465
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: into his own house because Ben's girlfriend aka Abigail Chase

466
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: played by Diane Krueger. But I always forget his German. Yes, correct, Yes,

467
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: she has kicked Ben out of the house, out of

468
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: their enormous estate.

469
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: Good for her. He's annoying, he's so.

470
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to talk about their relationship.

471
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: Wildly obnoxious. I would also kick him out.

472
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ben needs to steal Abigail's work badge because

473
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: she still works at the archives or maybe she works

474
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: at the Library of Congress.

475
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: Now, oh literally, I don't know. She has like a

476
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: plot job, like she has an ID that can get

477
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: them to the next map, yeah without fail correct. Yeah,

478
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: that was a bad that That was the first kind

479
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 3: of I mean, Riley doesn't fuck up super often in

480
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: this movie, but the fact that his first act is

481
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: helping Ben break into a house where he's no longer welcome.

482
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: And then Nicholas Cage will get to this, but he

483
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: goes on this whole tirade about why she kicked him out,

484
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: and then Riley said something like, ugh, women, you can't

485
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: live with them, especially when they change the security code

486
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: or whatever, and we're.

487
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: Just like hilarious, George Bush is the President's Comedy Like ugh, Yeah,

488
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: did not like that sequence very much.

489
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: No, so Ben is stealing the work badge because he

490
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: wants to take another look at this page from the

491
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: Booth Diary because they think that if they can find

492
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: a cipher on it, it will lead to a treasure

493
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: map that will prove Thomas Gates's innocence somehow. It's a

494
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: I'll understand the connection.

495
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: I am so team Abigail on this because you're just

496
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: like because she I mean, I think I've I've gotten

497
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: into the habit of doing this where I'm like pitching

498
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: a sun Dance movie based off of a blockbuster where

499
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: she's just like she loves Ben, but he just like

500
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: will not give up the idea that there's a map

501
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: on fucking everything, and it ends up like completely deteriorating,

502
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: deteriorating his life and their relationship because she's just like,

503
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: it's over, man, you had your moment in the sun.

504
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: You found the map. There's not maps everywhere, but that's

505
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: not how this world works. No, there are maps everywhere.

506
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: His obsession with maps being on everything should be the

507
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: hymn partying too hard on the set of Hangover too

508
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: which it should be always should end that relationship, but.

509
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 3: Should it should be? Yeah, Abigail, I'm sure she has

510
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: a last name, not that we hear it Chase Chase

511
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: because she's always Chase saying after Treasure with her boyfriend,

512
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: and Riley is always pulling up with his.

513
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: Friends, and Ben Gates is always unlocking the gates. Think

514
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: about it, the secrets that will find him the treasure.

515
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: And then Helen Muhren's character's name is Emily Appleton because

516
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: Apple was the da Vinci code. It all makes sense.

517
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: WHOA.

518
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past this movie to give a

519
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: character the last name Appleton because I had a ton

520
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: of fun learning that the da Vinci code was Apple.

521
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: I also think that every clue and the mysteries in

522
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: the National Treasure movies are more fun, engaging and make

523
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: more sense than the Da Vinci Code mysteries.

524
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: But but I think we should keep covering the movies

525
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: in that franchise. And Angels and Demons.

526
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, how many people saw Angels and Demons?

527
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: Was it like one or two?

528
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: I thought it made at least two hundred million at

529
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: the box office.

530
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's so it's certainly not doing National Treasure two numbers.

531
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: That's for damn sure, no embarrassing.

532
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: Are you looking it up?

533
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's like wait a second, hold the precess I

534
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: need to find out what the global box office take

535
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: of Angels and Demons was. Now what okay, came out

536
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, directed by Ron Howard m

537
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: oh I have horrible news. It made half a billion.

538
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Dollars, so a lot of people saw it and we

539
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: should cover it.

540
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: Okay, then it that is the global impact. We do

541
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: need to talk about it. It in fact made thirty

542
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: million more than National Treasure too.

543
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: Disgusting, disgusting, embarrassing for book of Secrets.

544
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Uh, this is okay, this is very While this

545
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: movie is not really doing anything for women, I will

546
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: say that the two female leads in this movie are

547
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: both doctors, doctor Abigail Chase and doctor Emily Appleton Gates.

548
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: We've got a pair of PhDs.

549
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of education between these two ladies

550
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: who we don't get to see do very much. They

551
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: don't do anything that they are both damseled, so that's important.

552
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: They also have more, at least in the way of

553
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: academic credentials than any of the men. Because even though

554
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: they're constantly like better keep giving them my ID and

555
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: following them around, I'm like, just let you know, well, no,

556
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: I do think this just let Ed Harris kill John Voyd.

557
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: You know, like, what are we doing here?

558
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: What's the worst that could happen? Okay, So Abigail once

559
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: Ben is like, there's a map on the thing, She's like,

560
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. But then Ben Riley and Abigail look at

561
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: the diary page under infrared and they do in fact

562
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: find a cipher, which Ben of course needs to decode,

563
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: but they need a five letter word first, which Ben

564
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: figures out.

565
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: It's not apple, which is not pretty scary. How could

566
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: this be true? I was on the edge of my

567
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: seat waiting for it to be Apple. It's not.

568
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: So this happens in a scene where Ben is like, Dad,

569
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: what's the story your granddaddy told you? And then John

570
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: Voight very conveniently remembers how Thomas Gates's dying words to

571
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: his son, which is John Voight's grandfather. The dying words

572
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: were the debt that all men pay? And I'm over here, like,

573
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: what about the debt that all women pay? Hello?

574
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: No one cares about that. This is also I do

575
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: think we probably talked about John Voight's politics in the

576
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: first episode, but this movie comes out on the cusp

577
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: of John Voyd going full Republican. Like it's during the

578
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight election that he says because he

579
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: I guess had held pretty liberal views for much of

580
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: his life. He like protested against the Vietnam War and

581
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: then does a hard switch during the oit election in

582
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: a way that certainly feels quite racist. And I'm not

583
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: a big fan of Obama, but like, yeah, it's racist,

584
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: and then went like, really rode for Romney, really rode

585
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: for Trump has pretty despicable politics. I'm pretty sure that

586
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: has some of the reason why Angelina Julie and he

587
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: are not on good terms. But in any case, I'm

588
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: just like, do any of these despicable political views? What

589
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: was he talking about on the set of National Treasure too,

590
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: Because it seems like he really underwent a pretty gross

591
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: political shift, and now I need to check.

592
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: Maybe he was Knights of the Golden Circle. Sounds interesting,

593
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh god, let's fucking let's fucking hope not. And then meanwhile,

594
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage, I guess this kind of makes sense for

595
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: his whole vibe. And I mean, this is an insult.

596
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: You know, Nicholas Cage was an Andrew yank guy. It's

597
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: just all a mess. It's just all kind of a disaster.

598
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to because I know that we

599
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: talked about it the first time. But it feels like

600
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: this movie comes.

601
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: Out this like the summer, or like the this is

602
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: a Christmas movie, This comes out just just months before

603
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: John Voyd comes out as whatever, gross fucking Republican guy.

604
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: So that's just some interesting context to chew on and

606
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: why I will be really really letting it fly with

607
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: my opinions of John Voight throughout this understood.

608
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So Ben is like deciphering this code. He

609
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: figures out that the debt that all men pay means death,

610
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: so that's the five letter word, and the cipher ends

611
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: up being Labalay Lady, which refers to the Statue of Liberty.

612
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: So I thought that was actually a pretty hot clue.

613
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: Like these writers again the same writing team as the

614
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: first movie, Cormack and Marianne Wibberly married couple.

615
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Is that right?

616
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: Yes, they they really fired up Google for this. I

617
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: was like, what the hell are they talking about? But

618
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: it is pretty historically accurate that Laboulay had the idea

619
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: for the Statue of Liberty, was not the one who

620
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: actually designed it, but Laboulay, lady, that's a hot clue.

621
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: Well you ask me. Okay, it's no apple, but it's

622
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: pretty good.

623
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: The Wibberlys are doing their research. Yes, okay, the clue

624
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: who is love a Lady? It refers to the Statue

625
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: of Liberty. So Ben thinks there must be a clue

626
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: or a map or something on the Statue of Liberty,

627
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: But not the one in New York City? Ever heard

628
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: of it? Because there are three statues of Liberty, and

629
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: the one they need is in Paris, France. Ever heard

630
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: of that?

631
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: This shot grips. We've already described it, but it's time

632
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: to shout it out again. It's just an unbelievable shot.

633
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: The cinematogphic down.

634
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: From the Eiffel Tower zooming in to tiny Statue of

635
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: Liberty where Riley has a drone question mark. I also

636
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: just love a Justin Bartha hacking scene. He's on a

637
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: flip phone, he's bitching. I just love these scenes with

638
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 3: him where he's like making little comments at the computer.

639
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: I love his little quips. Also, anytime he mentions his

640
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: book is legiti manly good comedy there, I see.

641
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: It's so funny. No one has read it. It's so

642
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: except wait, who did there's one person in the movie

643
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: who did read.

644
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: Oh, Harvey Kayitel.

645
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh that was That was the best moment for

646
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: Harvey Kayitel in the movie. It was like, Okay, he

647
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 3: just earned his check by reading justin Bartha's Little Book,

648
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: but also doesn't Bartha I would be I don't know,

649
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: Riley needs self esteem because he has so many of

650
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: the answers. Yeah, but no one gives a shit, No

651
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: one cares. He knows about this Book of Secrets. There's

652
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: a whole chapter yeah, yeah, on the Book of Secrets.

653
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: There's that scene where he's like he's trying to explain

654
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: the Book of Secrets to Nicholas Cage and he's like,

655
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: if it were you trying to convince me, you'd have

656
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: less evidence than I'd already believe you by now.

657
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, Riley, because you have really slow

658
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: self esteem and we need to work on that because

659
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 3: you're a smart guy.

660
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Oh Riley. Anyway, Speaking of Harvey Kytel, he is in

661
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: the movie for some reason and he he's gets wind

662
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: of the news dusky or sa dusky, Sa dusky. He

663
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: gets wind of the news that his best friend question

664
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: Mark Ben Gates is the ancestor of a guy who

665
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: might have been responsible for Abe Lincoln's assassination. So now

666
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: he takes an interest in this case, and I think

667
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: he's kind of working to sort of discredit Ed Harris.

668
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: I think, is it's what's happening, but I'm not sure it's.

669
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: It's really like his character is for sure not necessary

670
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: in the movie because yeah, and it also just like, yeah,

671
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: I was also a little confused on like whose side

672
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: he was on, because it just seems like he's there

673
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: to like ultimately be on Nicholas Cage's side, but then

674
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: kind of fuck with.

675
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: Him, right because he's like sort of the one who

676
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: tries to arrest him at the Library of Congress later.

677
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: On, which he does in the first one too. Yeah,

678
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: they love to fake arrest him, but then this time

679
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: the President's like, it's all good. I love I loved

680
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: the kidnap bang. I love that you looked in the

681
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: Book of Secrets, page forty seven. It's our little secret.

682
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: I love this shot at the end. Oh when President

683
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: what's his name? President?

684
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: Oh? What is his even name?

685
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: Bruce Greenwood is the name of the actor. The name

686
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: of the character is President of the United States. Don't

687
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: worry about it. Do not worry about it. So when

688
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage says I'm gonna kidnap the President of the

689
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: United States, he's just using the president's full name. But

690
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: I love when the President of the United States turns

691
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: around and goes what book?

692
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: Oh, I was like.

693
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: He got so good for what book? Indeed?

694
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: Truly Okay. So now Ben and Riley go to Paris

695
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: to the little Statue of Liberty near the Eiffel Tower,

696
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: and there is in fact a clue engraved on it

697
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: with a reference to twins that stand resolute, and Ben

698
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: figures out that this means two twin desks. Okay, One

699
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: resolute desk is in the Buckingham Palace. So they go

700
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: to London.

701
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the London sequence and also history check.

702
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: These are real desks. These are real ass desks, okay exist.

703
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Were they made from the timber from a ship called

704
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: the Resolute?

705
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: They sure were? Wow, they sure were. It is a documentary.

706
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: The desks are not puzzles that I was able to

707
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: find to help.

708
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

709
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, but there was a hidden door in the Resolute

710
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: desk in the Oval office. The reason it was there.

711
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: History fact, huh is that Franklin D. Roosevelt wanted to

712
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: have a hinged front panel installed so that people could

713
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: not see his wheelchair when he began using a wheelchair.

714
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: So that is why the panel was there, which they

715
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: referenced in the movie. Yes, And so this movie you

716
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: can learn a lot by watching this movie. It's a

717
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: history book basically, mostly just trivia. I wouldn't say you

718
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: learned much about that. Themes you don't learn much about,

719
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, harping constantly harping and obsessing over founding father

720
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: related history, how it crumbles silas, Yeah, and how building

721
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: entire franchises around white Americans really hyper fixating on their

722
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: ancestry is maybe not the best use of time more money.

723
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: But they were real desks, and so that's not nothing perfect. Yeah.

724
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Okay. So meanwhile, Mitch Wilkinson again that's the Ed Harris character.

725
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: He finds out about the progress that Ben is making

726
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: and he taps Ben's phone so that he can run

727
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: surveillance on Ben and like spy on him and keep

728
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: track of where Ben is and what he's doing. Now

729
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: back in London, Ben and Riley and Abigail, who shows

730
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: up for reasons plan a little heist. They break into

731
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: the Queen's office, they solve the little puzzle on the desk,

732
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: and inside they find an old piece of wood with

733
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: writing on it of an indigenous language. Yes, we will

734
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: talk more about this, but this.

735
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: Is just I mean, that is I think one of

736
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: the movie's greatest gigantic flaws is how because the second you,

737
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: or at least I might in my notes, the second

738
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: that you learn that this convoluted secret is related to

739
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: Indigenous Americans, I'm like, well, they're for sure going to

740
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: fumble this, oh yeah, massively, And sure enough they do.

741
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: They really, really really do. Yes, we'll discuss this more

742
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: in a bit. But in the meantime, Ben, Riley, and

743
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: Abigail escape the palace with this piece of wood, but

744
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: Mitch and his goons chase them. They're shooting at them.

745
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: And then there's this ridiculous thing where Ben runs a

746
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: red light, knowing that a traffic cam will take a photo,

747
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: so he holds the piece of wood up for the photo.

748
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Then he throws the wood in the river. Then he

749
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: gets Riley to hack the traffic cams to get a

750
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: copy of the photo, which is somehow high resolution enough

751
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: where they can still read the writing on it, and.

752
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: I what part of that was challenging for you? Because

753
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: I was like, makes sense basic order of operations. That

754
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: was so The wooden panel they find reminds me of

755
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: like Star Wars nine, where they have a similar thing

756
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: where you have to like hold it against the horizon

757
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: and that's how you figure out you're in the right place.

758
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: And again I will give National Treasure to the edge

759
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: of handle.

760
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: Ledge of history.

761
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: They're well, I'm not enough to watch it, but I was.

762
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: I was intrigued. That sequence felt like having a heart attack.

763
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: It felt like watching uncut gems. Like I was just like,

764
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: what the hell am I looking at?

765
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: Because it throws it into the river and Mitch's goons

766
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: easily retrieve it, So.

767
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: Like why is it so easy? Why them Like yeah,

768
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: and they just loop that, they just have it.

769
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: I guess Nicholas Cage did that to get them off

770
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: their tail, like to get the bad guys off their tail.

771
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: But there had to be a better way than throwing

772
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: the one clue they have right now into a river

773
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: a body of water. It's also like it's the type

774
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: of thing that like white people would be like, oh,

775
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: let's steal this and put in a museum like it's

776
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: this like incredible ancient artifact, and then Ben is just

777
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: like carelessly handling it and then like throwing it, oh

778
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: into a river, like it's this Ben Gates.

779
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: The thing is like Ben Gates, I don't even think

780
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: gives a shit about American history. He just gives a

781
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: shit about fresh family specifically and money, like which is

782
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: a very I think, like jingoistic white American trait. It's like,

783
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: it feels like a very like American individualist character, like

784
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: I care about myself and my money and my guys,

785
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: and that's it. I don't actually give a shit about

786
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: other people. I don't care about historical accuracy as it

787
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 3: pertains to anyone outside of my immediate family. He is

788
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: a very narrow minded man that Benjamin Franklin Gates.

789
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: The steaks in this movie and him right, the stakes

790
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: in this movie are my family name has been besmirched,

791
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: and I have to fix it. Like a guy who's

792
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: been dead for a century might have a bad reputation,

793
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: but because he's related to me, and I can't handle

794
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: that with my ego. I have to go find treasure,

795
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: which somehow will you know who is fixed the reputation.

796
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: You know, who is the relative of a very old

797
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: timey serial killer, Maggie may Fish. Is she stealing the

798
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: president trying to clear his name? No, she let it go.

799
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, that's what you gotta do.

800
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: People should learn from her.

801
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Exactly.

802
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's been I mean she what has she done?

803
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: She has instead spent her time on earth healing the

804
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: fish name by being herself.

805
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: People should what's the expression, like, take a page out

806
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: of Maggie's Book of secrets.

807
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, yeah, take a look at Maggie's page forty

808
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: seven because it looks a little different. Yeah, okay, okay,

809
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: she's talked about that publicly. It's fine. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

810
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: I also knew this because I think she mentions it on.

811
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: Behind the Bastards.

812
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, that's right. Okay. So they now have

813
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: this photo of this piece of wood with Riley mm hmm,

814
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: with the indigenous writing on it. They take the photo

815
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: to Ben's mom, who is played by Helen Mirren and

816
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: who is a professor of something. We don't know what.

817
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: It is stated. It is stated, it's it is like

818
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: it did seem like they went at least not that

819
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: this is a big compliment, but they did like say

820
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: what it was. It was. It was just kind of

821
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: too smart for me. It was like something like archaeology something. Okay,

822
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: Like she this is a this is a puzzle family.

823
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: Her puzzles are ancient languages, which seems like a better

824
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: use of time than what the Gates are doing. Yes,

825
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: the way her character is introduced, which we'll also get

826
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: into later, but oh my god, it is just John

827
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: Voight being like, oh yeah, yie, this broad that is

828
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: very much the vibe.

829
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: Quit nagging me.

830
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: Wait till you order a couch with this broad and

831
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: you're like enough stock. I understand where Benjamin Franklin Gates

832
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: gets his attitudes on women standing up for themselves as

833
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: being annoying. Yeah, and disrespectful. Meanwhile, Riley Poole Man of

834
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: the Century single awful doesn't make disgusting makes no sense.

835
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: Okay. So anyway, they take the photo to Helen Mirren,

836
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: who translates it. But it's only half of the message

837
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: because they still have to go to the other resolute desk,

838
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: which is in the White House because it's the President

839
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: of the United States desk. So they sneak into the

840
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: Oval Office during the White House Easter egg Hunt.

841
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: This is a typeer. I mean, that is a real thing, right,

842
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: I remember because I have seen pictures of Why have

843
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: I seen pictures of that?

844
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: God?

845
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: Who cares? This is such a weird, awful place to live?

846
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: Why do I know that? I did know that? But

847
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: that's related to ty Burrell. Yes, Tyberrell is the reason

848
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: they have the inn at the egg Hunt, because that's

849
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: we We haven't brought him up yet except to say

850
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: that spoiler work, this is the last time you'll ever

851
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: see him, but he's I did like the detail that

852
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: Abigail moves on instantly where I Abigail, I would do

853
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: the same. And also Tyberell vibe wise over Nicholas Cage

854
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: Vibeise inter relationships seems like a better bet.

855
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: Huge upgrade.

856
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: Yes, but they're like, oh, this guy sucks. He's in

857
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 3: charge of the egg hunt.

858
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: Right, So Abigail had been seeing this guy Connor, that's Tyberrell,

859
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: no last name, you know. So they call upon him

860
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 2: to help them get into the Oval office.

861
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like, let's not use Abigail's credentials or skills,

862
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: let's use her body. Yeah, to accomplish this yes, and

863
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: it'll be funny mm hmm. And that's just kind of

864
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: the internal logic of this scene.

865
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: Right, And then so Ben solves the puzzle on the desk,

866
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: but the other piece of wood with the rest of

867
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: the treasure map on it, which they think is going

868
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: to be in the desk, is missing, and in its

869
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: place is a seal stamped into the wood, which they

870
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: think is the presidential seal, but it's slightly different. And

871
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: this is where Riley's time to shine comes because he's like, no,

872
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: that's the symbol for the President's Secret Book, which is

873
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: a collection of documents for presidents by presidents.

874
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: And honestly, okay, would you I think that we've reached

875
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: a point in history where our generation has witnessed so

876
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: much absurdity. I would believe that there's a book of secrets.

877
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 2: I think there's probably a whole library's worth of secrets.

878
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: I think that that would be a better movie than

879
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: a book of secrets. And I also wouldn't be shocked,

880
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: just out of the shearing competence of the American system,

881
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: that it would be in a public library.

882
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.

883
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: Much like this book of secrets. H what was on

884
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: page forty seven, John Turtle Top will never know tell

885
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: I was on page forty seven. I love Oh, it's

886
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: one of my favorites. It's setting up a sequel that

887
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: never happens. Oh, Chef's kiss. It's like the end of

888
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: I Frankenstein when they're like to say, You're like, what

889
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 3: the fuck are they talking about? We'll never know. Damn,

890
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: I'll never know.

891
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: Hey, there's no sequel to I Frankenstein yet.

892
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the ten year anniversary of I Frankenstein

893
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: in about six months, and I am gonna rent out

894
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: a movie theater and you, of course are invited. It's

895
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: gonna be huge. It's gonna be major incredible. Yeah.

896
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: So we learn about this book of secrets that only

897
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: the presidents know about. But also so does Riley Poole somehow,

898
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: so does Harvey Kaitel. A lot of people know about

899
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: this secret book and they assume that that's where the

900
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: other half of this map is. But how are they

901
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: gonna get to the President's secret book? And this is

902
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: when Ben pitches his incredible idea, wherein he says, I'm

903
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: gonna kidnap him. I'm going to kidnap the president of

904
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: the United States, and then.

905
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: Everyone goes, yeah, everyone loses it because we love when

906
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: Ben goes off the because it always works out for him.

907
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: Then John Voyd, i will say, does a hell of

908
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 3: a line read here where he goes, I'm your father.

909
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 3: How am I supposed to react to that? You're just like, okay, yeah, fair,

910
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: But he secretly loves it because two seconds later, the

911
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: like Ben has to do so little to get his

912
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: debt on board for the worst ideas ever because his

913
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 3: dad is also like secretly into it the whole time.

914
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: But like he's like, I'm gonna kidnap the president of

915
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: the United States, and John Voyd's like, oh my gosh, no,

916
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: we can't do that. And then Nicholas Cage is like,

917
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 3: well there's a map. He's like, oh, oh, well, okay

918
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 3: if there's a map, And that's why if we're kidnapping

919
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: him for a map, this family loves map We're mam, guys, God,

920
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: I hate them saying so much, but it's like, it's

921
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: so weird having a character that you can't stand who

922
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: is never wrong. It's like, just it breaks me.

923
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: It's infuriating. Also, so they should rename this franchise map

924
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: Quest because they're always going on quests to find maps.

925
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: To find it, and one map leads to another, leads

926
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: to another.

927
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: Which does eventually lead to treasure. They're right about that, and.

928
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: Then you get a half a billion dollars. It's so

929
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: it is. I mean, Nicholas Cage knows what he's doing

930
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: when he says the line I'm going to kidnap the

931
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: President of the United States. No way did they need

932
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: a second take on that? That was really.

933
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 2: Special, And as we pointed out in the first National

934
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: Treasure episode, it's basically the same exact line read like

935
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: the same intonation as when he says I'm gonna steal it.

936
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna steal the Declaration of Independence. He just copy

937
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: paste same thing, except now it's a human person who

938
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: is the President of the United States.

939
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: He is, in fact the President of the United States. Oh,

940
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: and then the movie gets goofy. It becomes extremely goofy.

941
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: Before that it was a goofy movie, and now it's

942
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: an extremely goofy movie.

943
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 3: We've cranked it up to an eleven. We're like, yes,

944
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: this is no more thinking for the rest of the movie.

945
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: So what happens next is Ben Riley, Abigail and Patrick

946
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: orchestrate another heist where they infiltrate the president's birthday party

947
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: at a hotel called Mount Vernon, which they're able to

948
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: do because they like book up a bunch of other

949
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: hotels as if an event for the president. They couldn't

950
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: just be like, sorry, I don't care that your retirement

951
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: party is here. I'm the president. My plans override yours.

952
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, move the retirement party.

953
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. But they're acting like, oh my god, this is

954
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: already booked up. We need to find another place for

955
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: the president's birthday party.

956
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: So, as stated earlier, the Wibberleies once again are googling

957
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: up a storm because there is a secret basement beneath

958
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: Mount Vernon where you can example, kid briefly kidnapped the

959
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: president of the United States.

960
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: Uh huh, yes, great, so I love that. And this

961
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: president was an architectural history major from Yale.

962
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: Also, you're like, this guy sucks boom, No one harvs

963
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 3: your credent cheese.

964
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when you major in architectural history

965
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: and then you become the president of the United States.

966
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: What's next? In English major? A failed real estate heir?

967
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: Be serious? Yeah, that's a little topical humor for me.

968
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha.

969
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: Anyways, yeah, I think it is just that was just

970
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 3: a weird detail to add for a character. They didn't

971
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: even give a first or last name to Why do

972
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 3: I know what degree this man has? But I don't

973
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: know what his name government name is.

974
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not sure anyway. So Ben goes up to

975
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: the President at the party at Mount Vernon and tricks

976
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: him into following Ben into the basement to find this

977
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: secret underground tunnel. And then Ben is like, I need

978
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: to know where your book of secrets is, mister President,

979
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: And then the President is like, ti he, what are

980
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: you talking about. But then after some like impassioned speech

981
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: about something something American history who knows, the president is like, okay, fine,

982
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: the book does exist, and it's in the Library of

983
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: Congress and here's a bunch of numbers that you'll need

984
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: to know.

985
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: The way he buckles is just shocking. It's so fast,

986
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: Like yeah, Also, how quickly he agrees to go into

987
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: the basement with Nicholas Cage is hilarious.

988
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

989
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: Like Nicholas, I mean, he is a very charismatic guy,

990
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: but he's just like, I don't know can I come

991
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: to the basement. And he's like, sure, let's let's do it.

992
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: Like he's had like a couple of white claws and

993
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: he's like, let's do it. Let's get down to the basement.

994
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: Happy birthday to me. And then he's like, Secret Service guys,

995
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. I'm with my new friend.

996
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god. There is one guy I I they

997
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: none of the Secret Service agents get names, but there's

998
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: one guy who is like acting. He's like, I need

999
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: a sledgehammer, I need a gun. You're like, oh my god,

1000
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: he's like really going for it. It was so funny anyways,

1001
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 3: but yeah, this president is just a real dunce, like

1002
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: he is just given away. He just says, okay, fine,

1003
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: there's a book of secrets, and then literally, like Nicholas

1004
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: Cage's character, Benjamin Franklin Gates, famously untrustworthy, famously addicted to

1005
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: breaking the laws, does not believe consequences apply to them,

1006
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: and they don't in this world, never do. Why would you,

1007
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: as the president who knows who Benjamin Franklin Gates is

1008
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: and that he famous doesn't listen to anybody, be like, okay,

1009
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: honor system, promise to not read all of the secrets,

1010
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? He's using me?

1011
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: And then not only that, he's like, look at an

1012
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: extra secret. Take a gander at page forty seven.

1013
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: He's like, don't look up whether the moon landing happened, promise,

1014
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: but like the check out page forty seven and fine

1015
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: and clear your and like, I don't know, it is

1016
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: truly like such American like white supremacy, exceptionalism. This conversation

1017
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 3: they have in the basement where the president is like,

1018
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 3: I really admire how you want to clear your dumb

1019
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: ass family's name again, blah blah blah, Like here's every

1020
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: secret in the entire world. Promise you'll only read the

1021
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 3: one about your grandpoppy or whatever. You're just like this fuck,

1022
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: this is just I mean, it's camp because it has

1023
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: to be. Yeah, but this president is just like such

1024
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,479
Speaker 3: a trusting man.

1025
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: Yes. Also, I feel like the actor who plays him

1026
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: who I like, Bruce Greenwood. He's in The Star Trucks,

1027
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: ton of stuff. Yeah, I feel like he's who they

1028
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: call when Sam Neil isn't available.

1029
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 3: Oh I do. But he does have very like TV

1030
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: president face. Yeah, yeah, he's been in a lot of stuff.

1031
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: I really liked him. In the two thousands, the jj

1032
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: Abrams start.

1033
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: The star trucks.

1034
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Same. I think he's a fun guy, and I'll

1035
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: say it he did. He was. He was the President

1036
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: of the United States for me. And then at the end,

1037
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 3: the fact that he has the audacity to say what

1038
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: book of Secrets? I was like, you have no vested

1039
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: interest in people not knowing about this damn book of secrets?

1040
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: You told the first notorious thief who asked, like, what

1041
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 3: is rough? Ugh, We're fucked.

1042
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah it's true. Okay, so oh we're still doing the

1043
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: recap Ben. Okay. So Ben now has the information he

1044
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: needs to access the Book of Secrets. So he runs

1045
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: off and heads to the Library of Congress with Riley

1046
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: and Abigail. They find the Book of Secrets and inside

1047
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: is a photograph of the other half of the map,

1048
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: along with an entry from President Coolidge with a reference

1049
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: to Mount Rushmore, and Ben is like Borglum carved Mount

1050
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: Rushmore to destroy the map's landmarks to protect the City

1051
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: of Gold. So they figure out.

1052
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: That the city of what right. The fact that they

1053
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 3: managed to turn it up turn up the heat from

1054
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: kidnapping the president. I was genuinely impressed because it's like,

1055
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: at that point you gotta go City of Gold.

1056
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: There had been some references prior to this about Cibola,

1057
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: which is this like legendary lost city of Gold.

1058
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: But if you have two brain cells like I do

1059
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: you need Nichol's Cage to be like there is a

1060
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: city of Gold underneath Mount Rushmore, And it's like, oh

1061
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: m hmm, that's.

1062
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: And that Mount Rushmore was a cover up to protect

1063
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: the whereabouts of the City of Gold.

1064
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: You'll never think to look underneath Mount Rushmore, just like

1065
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 3: you'll never think to I mean, that's sort of like

1066
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: what this whole franchise is predicated on. Like you would

1067
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 3: never think to pour a bunch of aquafina water bottles

1068
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: on Mount Rushmore to find the city of Gold. You

1069
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: just wouldn't.

1070
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 2: You would never think to look on the Declaration of

1071
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: Independence for a map to the Templar's Treasure for.

1072
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: A bunch of old white supremacists. No, I don't think

1073
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: you would think that. But but someone is thinking that,

1074
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 3: and he's constantly being rewarded for it. I for some reason,

1075
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: it maybe just I was absolutely delighted that because whatever

1076
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: we're about to get to this when they go to

1077
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: my Rashmore. They have to pour water on to find

1078
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: the state whatever. Yeah, but that they but the movie

1079
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: had the foresight to get a water bottle company to

1080
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 3: like do product placement. Yeah, Like, well, Aquafina, do you

1081
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: want to be the most American water bottle? And Aguafina said,

1082
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: sure thing. Yeah, yeah. Desanni found dead in a ditch

1083
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: National Traders water bottle.

1084
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes you think.

1085
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Aquafina reveals the At this point, you're just like,

1086
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: what the fuck is even happening? Cut to the City

1087
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 3: of Gold, Like, what's going on?

1088
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the FBI are closing in on them on

1089
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: account of Ben having kidnapped the President of the United States,

1090
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 2: but they escape. Meanwhile, Mitch pays Helen Mirren a visit

1091
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: and shows her a letter from the Queen of England

1092
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: to his ancestor, once again a Confederate general. It contains

1093
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: a clue that they need to find the City of Gold,

1094
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: but he burns the letter and he's like, now I'm

1095
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: the only one who can find Cibola, and then he

1096
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: kidnapps Helen Mirren and takes her to Mount Rushmore, where Ben, Riley,

1097
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: Abigail and Patrick already are because they figured it out

1098
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: that they need to go there, and then they kind

1099
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: of like reluctantly all team up to search for this

1100
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: city of Gold, and they're pouring aquafina onto the rocks.

1101
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: Nick Cage does a hilarious fake out where he's like, oh,

1102
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: my hands just kidding. Oh, I was laughing.

1103
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: So there's a few moments that I feel like we're

1104
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: kind of borrowed from Jurassic Park in this movie because, again,

1105
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: not to bring up Sam Neille again, he does that

1106
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: with the like t Rex Gate, he pretends to be

1107
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: electricuted and he gets in several arguments with children in

1108
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: that movie.

1109
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: Nick Cage only does it once, but he does it

1110
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: so it's so funny because it's like Nick Cage is

1111
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 3: doing things that Sam Neil would do, but he's just

1112
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 3: doing it in a way that's so annoying to watch

1113
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: and the Cage I prefer it. We haven't gotten to

1114
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: Nick caje argument. I mean, it happened a while ago,

1115
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: because it doesn't matter to the plot, but it mattered

1116
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 3: to our culture.

1117
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yes, So, based on Mitch's clue, they pour

1118
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: water all over the rocks, which reveals an eagle engraved

1119
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: into the rocks, and then there's a secret latch that

1120
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: opens a secret door and they go inside this like

1121
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: cave catacomb type place where most of it immediately collapses

1122
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: and they get trapped inside, so they have to keep

1123
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: moving onward into the cave. There are various obstacles like

1124
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: this like platform that's tilting all over the place. Then

1125
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 2: they get into a room with a bunch of water

1126
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: that they think is a dead end, but they stop

1127
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: the flow of water and then are able to go downward,

1128
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: and then that's where they discover the city of Gold.

1129
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: And as they are oohing and aweing over the city,

1130
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: the water starts bursting through again and it starts flooding

1131
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: the city. So now they have to find the drain.

1132
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 2: But Mitch is a bad guy again suddenly, and he's like,

1133
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: we're not leaving until you agree to say that I

1134
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: discovered the City of Gold, because he's also obsessed with

1135
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: like family legacy. Shit.

1136
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's ed Harris, so he is going to

1137
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 3: like lose. But the I just wanted to quickly shout

1138
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: out the platform scene because I remember seeing the platform

1139
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: scene in theaters and I think it's a really well

1140
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,440
Speaker 3: done scene. I still get a little bit of anxiety

1141
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: watching the platform scene even today. It's where again the

1142
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 3: team is very quick to agree that Riley would be

1143
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: the first to die. Poor this poor man needs to

1144
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 3: like go to a trivia night, like he needs to

1145
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: like make new friends. Period. He's gotten, you know, he's

1146
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: got at least gotten something out of this, you know,

1147
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 3: kind of emotionally abusive friendship he's in with Nicholas Cage.

1148
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: You gotta read Ferrari out of it.

1149
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 3: You gotta read Ferrari. He got this book deal. Get

1150
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 3: the fuck out of there, man, Seriously, he doesn't care

1151
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: about you. He doesn't care about you.

1152
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 2: No, he didn't even read your book. He didn't even

1153
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: open your book from its packaging.

1154
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: And Abigail also, you know, for all the disrespects she's given,

1155
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 3: she doesn't give a rats ass about Riley either. She

1156
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: leaves him for dead instantly because this movie also does.

1157
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 3: I noticed, and I think that this is like an

1158
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: action movie trope that we've discussed in the past. There's

1159
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: a very like unspoken women and children first ethos to

1160
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: this movie. Definitely, it's always like a very you know, hypermasculine,

1161
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm John Voyd, I better check this swinging vine

1162
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: before I bring and we were in on the You're

1163
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: just like fucking whatever, Like Abigail has to be the

1164
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: first to get off the mysterious platform. Meanwhile Justin Bartha

1165
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: dead Like yeah, clearly he's the weakest link. You're just like,

1166
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: leave this poor man alone. Although Justin Bartha has big,

1167
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: Justin Long wasn't available vibes. Have we talked about that?

1168
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 3: I think we have. Yeah, yeah, I mean Justin Lung

1169
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: wasn't available for this, and that's good because Justin Bartha

1170
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: made the partisan.

1171
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: We love him in this role.

1172
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: We do.

1173
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So the city is flooding and Ed Harris is like,

1174
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 2: I need to be the one to discover this. But

1175
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 2: then some stuff happens. I don't even quite track it.

1176
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: There's a crank, there's some there's a door, it's flooded. Deal,

1177
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: and then gives a shit.

1178
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: Basically, it culminates in Mitch getting left behind Slash. He

1179
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: decides to sacrifice himself so the others can escape, and

1180
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: so he dies. N then they get out of all

1181
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 2: the they like leave the cave. Harvey Kaitel's there to

1182
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: arrest Ben, but then the president is there and he's

1183
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: like I love this guy. He saved my life. He

1184
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 2: did not kidnap me. Don't believe the rumors ti he

1185
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: and he says to Riley, what is.

1186
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: Definitely not a book of secrets? Wink, You're just like

1187
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 3: this guy sucks. This guy is so bad at being

1188
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 3: the president.

1189
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: Then we cut to people excavating the city of Gold

1190
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: Ye yikes, and then some shit happens. Riley meets a

1191
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 2: fangirl of his. Ben and Abigail get back together and

1192
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: the kiss and is disgusting.

1193
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: And then pan up to Mount Rushford. Do Do Do

1194
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 3: Do Do do the end.

1195
01:11:53,680 --> 01:12:02,440
Speaker 2: Let's take another break and we'll come back to discuss

1196
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: and we're back.

1197
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: Shall we begin by discussing the women of this movie

1198
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: before we get into blatant indigenous history fumbling fump. Yes, yes,

1199
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: because it just feels sort of like a continuation and

1200
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 3: in an addition to our discussion of National Treasure One,

1201
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: where a huge thing with National Treasure One as well

1202
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 3: as because I would like lump in the Da Vinci

1203
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 3: Code kind of into this discussion because it came out

1204
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: in the same stretch of years and has many of

1205
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 3: the same issues. Even though I think National Treasure franchise

1206
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: as far as watchability, far and beyond way better. But

1207
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 3: that a big issue we have with National Treasure One

1208
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: is that Abigail it feels like a very two thousands

1209
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: era writing convention to give Abigail a lot of academic credential.

1210
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: She is not written as just like I think the

1211
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: way that often Indiana Jones characters are written of just

1212
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: like a lady, and here's a lady. She doesn't have

1213
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: any skills, but she's gonna be around for it, And

1214
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: so it feels like a very superficial advancement of those

1215
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 3: writing conventions where it's like, no, now she's very qualified

1216
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 3: and like they're But still, ultimately, the way that these

1217
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: characters are used within the plot of an action movie

1218
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 3: is not much different.

1219
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to contribute the knowledge that they allegedly have.

1220
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to do really much of anything to

1221
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: push the story forward, except for like little crumbs here

1222
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 2: and there. I took inventory of the handful of things

1223
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: that Abigail does that pushes the story forwards.

1224
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: I felt like she's mostly treated as like I mean

1225
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: she it just felt like it was she was almost

1226
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: used as like a narrative device to be like, oh well,

1227
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 3: how would Ben get in there? Abigail's ID and that's

1228
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 3: like sort of yeah, like she's not doing very much.

1229
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 3: She's just giving them access to a lot of.

1230
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: Things for sure, or she's like doing something kind of

1231
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 2: careless and it pushes the story forward in that way.

1232
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: For example, she's meeting with Ed Harris for some reason,

1233
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why. They're like getting drinks together, but

1234
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: then she gets a call from Ben who is like,

1235
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: we figured out the clue. And then so now she's

1236
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,919
Speaker 2: like loudly talking about the clue within earshot of Ed Harris,

1237
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: so he like figures things out because she's just like

1238
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 2: being careless, right, So it's technically her doing something to

1239
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 2: push the story forward, but not in the way you'd want,

1240
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: not in.

1241
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: An informed or intelligent way, yeah, right, which is like

1242
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 3: you know, like characters can make mistakes. But it just yeah,

1243
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: it just felt like she that was just like well

1244
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 3: someone It didn't feel unique to her in any way exactly,

1245
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 3: and like it's not really something that you would expect

1246
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 3: her character to do. Yeah, something that had to.

1247
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: Happen exactly, So it doesn't even track. But that's a

1248
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: scene that takes place, Like you mentioned, she drives a

1249
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: car so she helps Ben escape from the Library of Congress.

1250
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: She knows where the special books are in the Library

1251
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: of Congress. She does use her like quote unquote feminine

1252
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:19,879
Speaker 2: wiles to distract this man she's stringing along ty Burrell

1253
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: so that the male protagonist of the movie can do

1254
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: the important things, aka solve the desk puzzle.

1255
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hated that. That was that felt like a

1256
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: regression on the two thousand and four movie where yeah, yeah,

1257
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: and then there's like a really protracted joke about like

1258
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm making out with ty Burrell's that Nicholas He's just

1259
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 3: like ough this, I don't know. It felt like super

1260
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 3: dated for two thousand and seven.

1261
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really did. Yeah, she is the one who

1262
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: finds the bird on the rocks, but only because Nicholas

1263
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: Cage had figured out the clue of like, oh, we

1264
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: need to pour these aquafina water bottles on the rocks.

1265
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 3: That was yeah, that was like chance that it.

1266
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: Was her exactly. And then she does get damseled when

1267
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: Ed Harris holds her at knife point when he's trying

1268
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 2: to escape the flooded room.

1269
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: It's it's so close to the end of the movie too,

1270
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 3: where I was like, well, because at this point Helen

1271
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: Mirren has been damseled already. Yes, also John Voyight has

1272
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 3: kind of been damseled, so like maybe it's a generational

1273
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 3: damseling in this one, but it's like, no, it happens

1274
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: to Abigail the last second too.

1275
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she kind of like she doesn't really

1276
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: join the group in their like map quest if you

1277
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: will until Ben and Riley are in London, and then

1278
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 2: she kind of gets involved because Ben picks this like

1279
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: fake fight with her and we'll talk about their relationship also,

1280
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: but they're like arguing and she doesn't even realize they're arguing.

1281
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 3: But then but then at some point she does that

1282
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: was maybe that was like lost in the performance too,

1283
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 3: But I was like.

1284
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: Didn't scan for me at all, There's no indication she

1285
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: gets what's happening. Yeah, so that was shitty. But then

1286
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 2: he tries to go look at the Queen's desk without her.

1287
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: He's like always just trying to exclude her from things.

1288
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: He's like, no, it's too dangerous. She does go along,

1289
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: and she does suggest that the code on the desk

1290
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: might be a year, but she doesn't figure out which

1291
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 2: year it's. Ben who figures that out. So all this

1292
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: to say, her contributions in the story are either like

1293
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: by pure coincidence or her making a mistake, or her

1294
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: she maybe like contributes five to ten percent of the

1295
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: thing while Ben is doing the majority of it. It's

1296
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 2: all stuff like.

1297
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: That, right, I think. And that was similar to the

1298
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: first one, and it also really reminds me of Marian

1299
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 3: Courtyard in the DaVinci Code and other women were told

1300
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 3: is hypercompetent but is not actually allowed to behave that way.

1301
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: Within Oh you mean Audrey tattoo.

1302
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm being anti French. Yes, I do

1303
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 3: ada tattoo. Yes, yes, which sucks and is a convention

1304
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 3: that I think we still see in movies now where

1305
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 3: it's like I feel like there's like a tacit understanding,

1306
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 3: where it's like, well, we can't just have like you know,

1307
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: but it's I don't know, it's we've talked about it before.

1308
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: I find it really frustrating to go out of your

1309
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 3: way to write a competent character and then be like,

1310
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 3: but don't worry, she's not gonna do anything. I felt

1311
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 3: like for me, the highlight for Abigail in this movie

1312
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 3: was comment during the car during the car chase. That

1313
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: was a cool sequence. I like that she and Riley

1314
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: were just like on kind of a side quest together,

1315
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: and that they almost killed a cop. That was fun. True,

1316
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: that was a treat. The rest, yeah, she wasn't really

1317
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 3: allowed to do very much. I thought it was very

1318
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 3: interesting and by interesting I do mean lazy that they

1319
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 3: wrote basically an identical character to Abigail to be Ben's mom.

1320
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 3: Let's go through her, because it's, first of all, it's

1321
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 3: disrespectful to write Helen Mirren a shitty part. Don't waste

1322
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 3: this woman's time. She's a legend, I know, but they did.

1323
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 3: They wrote her Emily Appleton Gates much in the way

1324
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 3: that we learn how Ben views Abigail, which is like

1325
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: I love her, but this ball and change, she doesn't

1326
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: get me.

1327
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: She's so annoying. She's always nagging me, mama, right.

1328
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 3: And then we see an identical dynamic between presented uncritically

1329
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 3: really between John Voyd and Helen Mirren. I felt like

1330
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 3: it was marginally more self aware in that relationship, which

1331
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 3: isn't saying very much. But I don't know, like, yeah,

1332
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: so Helen Miren is playing this like archaeologist. She specializes

1333
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: in ancient language like something something plot translate, yes, and

1334
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 3: so she does do a number of things throughout the

1335
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 3: movie to help them true and she does. I did appreciate,

1336
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: and again this is like crumbs, but I did appreciate

1337
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: that in most of the moments where John Voight would

1338
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: criticize her, she would not accept that criticism and would

1339
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: be like, no, you were seeing puzzles everywhere, and I

1340
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 3: had to raise our son by myself. Yeah, and like

1341
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 3: I also wanted to go on quests, but no one

1342
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: was raising our son due to your puzzle issue. And

1343
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 3: her character's pretty consistent on that issue. And I liked it, like,

1344
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 3: and I liked it she was doing stuff. I liked

1345
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 3: her relationship with Ben. There is no relationship with Abigail,

1346
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 3: but they hugged for some reason. I liked how Riley

1347
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 3: introduced himself to her at the end of the movie.

1348
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: That was fun.

1349
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, by the way, I'm Riley Pool, author

1350
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: of the Templar Treasure.

1351
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 3: Boo. But I felt like, certainly an underwritten character, but

1352
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: better written than Abigail unfortunately. Yeah, but that's why it

1353
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 3: made it so confusing to me that she randomly gets

1354
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: back together with John Void at the end of the movie,

1355
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: because we are led to believe that she would never

1356
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 3: do that.

1357
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my theory. So, as she says in the movie,

1358
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 2: when John Voy first shows up in her office, she's like,

1359
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: we didn't love each other. It was just excitement, adrenaline

1360
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: and tequila, which is a pretty sick burn. Good honestly

1361
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 2: to tell your ex husband.

1362
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 3: And she keeps calling back the tequila.

1363
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, So she basically says like, I never loved you.

1364
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: I was just horny and we were going on adventures

1365
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: and that was exciting. So maybe it's just that because

1366
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: they went on this other adventure, she's horny again for

1367
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: him and that's why they kiss.

1368
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 3: But but then she's like, I.

1369
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: Thought that was another mistake. I'm gonna go back to

1370
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: my university and keep ignoring you.

1371
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: And you know that information is actually like what would

1372
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,520
Speaker 3: have happened to them? That is written somewhere, but unfortunately

1373
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 3: it's page forty seven of the President's Book of Secrets,

1374
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 3: so we will never know what happens. And if the

1375
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 3: Gates I was just like, why did we need a

1376
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,480
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage parent trap in this movie? Was that necessary?

1377
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 3: Like I would say, no, he's in his forties and

1378
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 3: it's not necessary for him to have a parent trap

1379
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: at this late stage.

1380
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 2: And he doesn't even have a twin to help him.

1381
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 3: It doesn't Yeah, first of all, he couldn't pull it

1382
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 3: off well, although I think Riley could help. Sure, he

1383
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 3: could hack his parents to make them love each other again. Yeah,

1384
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 3: but yeah, I thought that that was a very like

1385
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: callous undercutting of like, not a great well thought out character,

1386
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 3: but the best written woman character we've seen a national

1387
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 3: treasure so far. And then they totally undercut her at

1388
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: the end by being like and she kind of apologizes

1389
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 3: to John Voyd a little bit. She like is a

1390
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 3: secondary party to the adventure, just like she said she

1391
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 3: always hated being and then she kisses him at the end,

1392
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 3: and you're just like, well, we certainly lost track of

1393
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 3: this character in the third act. Yes, she's also damseled,

1394
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 3: as is Abigail. She does do one thing, Well, what

1395
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: did you think of this? I guess I was sort

1396
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 3: of neutral on this as a plot point where Ed

1397
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: Harris is like, you better not tell John Vod what

1398
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 3: this means, or else kill him, and he shows he

1399
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: has like an old timey pistol and you're like, huh, okay,

1400
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: interesting plan. And so she has the knowledge but can't

1401
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: give it to John Void and then she insults him

1402
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 3: and then is like, I wish I hadn't drink that tequila.

1403
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,759
Speaker 3: I hate this man. I didn't hate that scene because

1404
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't like she she had the information, but she

1405
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:04,879
Speaker 3: couldn't do to the old timey pistol.

1406
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: So here's my interpretation and problem with this scene. Okay,

1407
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: So she doesn't tell him the truth. She gives him

1408
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: like a fake translation that has something to do with

1409
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: a hummingbird. Yeah, and she tells that to John Voight.

1410
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: John Voight brings that information to Nicholas Cage, which he

1411
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 2: realizes off screen is a clue, and he's like, wow, mom,

1412
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: good work with the hummingbird clue. But we don't understand

1413
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 2: what it is, what that's a reference to.

1414
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: So we can't bad writing.

1415
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: It's just bad writing. Because and so like if we

1416
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: could see her logic and we understand why she gave

1417
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: this particular clue and what it refers to and blah

1418
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: blah blah, then we could see like, oh, she's smart.

1419
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 3: Because yeah, she secretly gave the right answer.

1420
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

1421
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 3: But I honestly didn't even register that because this movie,

1422
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: I just feel like at some point my brain's just

1423
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 3: like loop, like it just turns to goo and I'm

1424
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 3: just like, he's gonna find it City of Gold. I

1425
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,759
Speaker 3: better just sit my ass down and watch.

1426
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: I do think the movie is relying on your brain,

1427
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 2: like everyone's brain doing that so they don't question the

1428
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 2: very bad logic that's always happening.

1429
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,839
Speaker 3: That's why they make Nicholas Cage periodically argue with children

1430
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: and do other things that don't matter, so that you're just.

1431
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 2: Like, whoa, that's funny, and it is it is, and

1432
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: they are correct. But that would have been so much

1433
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: more satisfactory if we understood the clue that she gives

1434
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: that is actually like helpful, But we don't understand, so

1435
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: it's just like a blah nothing thing.

1436
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 3: And what's more, we get the really frustrating convention that

1437
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 3: we see in movies all the time, where it's like

1438
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 3: a sequel time we got a second woman, but she's

1439
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 3: not gonna be talking to the one from the first movie,

1440
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 3: even though they're constantly in the same scenes and in

1441
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 3: the same rooms. I believe that, I mean, this is

1442
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 3: getting a little ahead of her, but it's like they

1443
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 3: say hello to each other at one point, they hug

1444
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: a couple of times, but they never talk, which is

1445
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 3: so wild because it seems like the movie has lazily

1446
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 3: like the only way you could, for me justify this

1447
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 3: writing two very similar characters, which I mean, to be fair,

1448
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 3: Patrick Gates, Benjamin Franklin Gates very similar guys. Yeah, so okay,

1449
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: if that's not, you know, a lazy gendered choice, I

1450
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 3: think that you owe it to those characters to let

1451
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 3: them talk to each other. Do I think if these

1452
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 3: women had a scene together they would talk about anything

1453
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 3: other than the puzzle? Guys? Probably not. But I think

1454
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: that like even having I mean, any scene between these

1455
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 3: two characters makes a lot of sense, and the movie's

1456
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 3: just like not interested in scene that I think would

1457
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 3: have been really good and like firmly, firmly fits within

1458
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 3: the context of this world. But of course we don't

1459
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 3: get that in this Jerry Bruckheimer movie, because why would we?

1460
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 2: Why would frustrating? Can we talk a little bit more

1461
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: about Abigail's relationship to Ben, which is very reflective of

1462
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: what it was like in the first movie, where he

1463
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: spends most of the first movie being like, shut up,

1464
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: you're so annoying. Quit being so angry at me that

1465
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: I stole the Declaration of Independence. You're overreacting, blah blah blah.

1466
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: This is now canon to their relationship, and she's fine

1467
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: with it, question Mark.

1468
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: Well until she kicks him out of the house. So basically,

1469
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 2: he's explaining to Riley why Abigail kicked him out of

1470
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 2: their house, and he says something like, oh, she kept

1471
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: saying stuff like, oh, Ben, I guess you think my

1472
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: opinion doesn't matter. I guess you always know what's best,

1473
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,440
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm invisible. And so what he's describing

1474
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 2: is him being a shitty, condescending, inattentive partner. And as

1475
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: he's relaying this information to Riley, he's framing it like,

1476
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: what a bitch, how dare she think I'm dismissive of

1477
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: her and her feelings.

1478
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 3: Which could be a legitimate story choice if he grows

1479
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 3: and changes in any way throughout the course of the movie,

1480
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 3: and then even then she doesn't need to take him back.

1481
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 3: H Right, But that doesn't You didn't even get the

1482
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 3: chance to consider that because Benjamin Franklin Gates, like many

1483
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: people will never change, He will never improve, he will

1484
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 3: never stop seeing puzzles, and he will never stop telling

1485
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 3: his girlfriend to shut the hell up. And so that

1486
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 3: is someone that you leave. But yeah, it was really

1487
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 3: really frustrating where when that happened, because I didn't remember

1488
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 3: the ins and outs of the emotional journey of National

1489
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: Treasure too, Whereas like, is there any chance that he

1490
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 3: or John Voight, who I like think is like a

1491
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: fraction a millimeter ahead of Ben's character in like at

1492
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 3: least he is criticized to his face and sort of

1493
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 3: takes it. He pon. It doesn't mean that he changes

1494
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 3: very much, but he doesn't, you know, say shut up,

1495
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 3: you know, in the way that Ben tends to when

1496
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 3: criticized by anyone, especially Abigail. But Ben doesn't change at all.

1497
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 3: He does the whole movie from the first one over

1498
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 3: again but more and then at the end she's And

1499
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 3: I feel like it also played into this was just

1500
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 3: like I think this was just bad writing, but I

1501
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 3: feel like it played into this like trope that surrounds

1502
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 3: women of like, well, well, actually, I don't know what

1503
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 3: did you think about this? Like there was this like

1504
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 3: thing that came up A couple of times where they're

1505
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 3: having this argument in England and she says, I think,

1506
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 3: like not the worst point where he like makes assumptions

1507
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 3: about her and then acts on those assumptions instead of

1508
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 3: having a conversation with her. And she's like, even if

1509
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 3: you think you know the answer to what I'm going

1510
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 3: to say, and even if you're right, you still have

1511
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: to have that conversation with me. Yeah, which is basic

1512
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 3: emotional intelligence, but like, okay, interesting that they had that conversation.

1513
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: He does not learn from this, and he does not

1514
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: change because in the last shot of the movie, he

1515
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 3: makes an assumption about what she's thinking and feeling because

1516
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: she says the word so, and he's like, well, when

1517
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 3: you say the word so, you're mad. And then she

1518
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 3: sort of repeats a more convoluted version of what she

1519
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 3: said earlier in the movie, which is, no, you can't

1520
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 3: just tell me what I feel based on a weird

1521
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 3: assumption You're making. What I meant to say is I

1522
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 3: love you and move back in with me. And so

1523
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 3: it is like almost like I was like, ooh, where

1524
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 3: is this going? Is this gonna go anywhere? Of course

1525
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 3: it's not, because I feel like the weird conclusion it

1526
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 3: reaches like women don't actually say what they mean, which

1527
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 3: is like.

1528
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: Right, and again he does not earn this invitation to

1529
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: move back in with her because he has demonstrated zero growth.

1530
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: So it's just like and not for nothing, What does

1531
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 3: this mean for typearell tyberal things. He's about to get married.

1532
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just got hardcore made out with in the

1533
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Oval office. He's got a raging boner for weeks from that.

1534
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 3: Probably he and Riley should hang out because they just

1535
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 3: like I think that they just need to like start

1536
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 3: getting drinks on the weekend and like being buds because yeah,

1537
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 3: they're just being disrespected right and left. Yeah, No, I

1538
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 3: mean it's like hard to talk about Abigail and Ben's

1539
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 3: relationship because it's like she much like the first movie,

1540
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 3: and I think even more in this one, like just

1541
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 3: behave so irrationally, like not in a way that makes sense,

1542
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: And I feel like it's a little if I'm remembering correctly,

1543
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 3: it's a little tighter in the first movie because you're

1544
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 3: meeting her for the first time and so she pushes

1545
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 3: back more. But now it's just like, well, obviously she's

1546
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 3: in love with Nicholas Cage, so we could kind of

1547
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 3: have her do anything, they're gonna end up back together,

1548
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: and that feels like maybe why the writing in Helen

1549
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 3: Mirren's character is a little more coherent because we're meeting her,

1550
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 3: but it just their relationship absolutely sucks. She should take

1551
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 3: his big old house and dump him, dump Tibrell, do whatever,

1552
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 3: just don't get back together with this guy. Yeah, this

1553
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 3: is bad.

1554
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: I agree.

1555
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 3: You've got your puzzle treasure from movie one. Leave it

1556
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 3: at that which brings us to the treasure. Yes, we

1557
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 3: had a different version of this discussion in our first episode,

1558
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: I believe. Yeah, like we were talking about earlier, the

1559
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 3: second that they bring Indigenous American culture into this. You

1560
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 3: know that this Jerry Bruckheimer funded movie is going to

1561
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 3: absolutely fumble, erase, disrespect, not care about Indigenous people or

1562
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 3: indigenous history or redistribution or anything that would make logical

1563
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 3: sense in this situation.

1564
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 2: Right, So here's the I've gathered and keep in mind

1565
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 2: listeners that I'm not a historian or an anthropologist.

1566
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 3: You're a Helen Merrin.

1567
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: I have a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University,

1568
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 2: a fact that I would never mention. Those are my credentials.

1569
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: So the information I have is mostly from wiki, pds,

1570
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 2: scholarly journal or just like things I already knew with

1571
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: my brain, because.

1572
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 3: With your brain and everything, Because like.

1573
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 2: This movie makes so many missteps that even if you

1574
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 2: have the slightest understanding of geography or time, you would

1575
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: know that everything that happens in this movie doesn't make

1576
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 2: any sense. So they find the piece of wood that

1577
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 2: has markings on it that appear in They keep referring

1578
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 2: to it as like an ancient Native American language. Different

1579
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,480
Speaker 2: ideas are floated. They're like, oh, it looks Incan or Aztec.

1580
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: Later on they say that they think it's Olmec, so

1581
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,879
Speaker 2: they're sort of speculating. They think they identify one symbol

1582
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: on this piece of wood that means sebola, So they

1583
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 2: look up sibola in a history book of secrets. Not sure,

1584
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 2: but what it says there is that in fifteen twenty seven,

1585
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:30,799
Speaker 2: a Spanish ship wrecked off of the coast of Florida.

1586
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 2: There was one survivor who was a slave named Esteban,

1587
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 2: who saved a tribe's dying chief and as a reward,

1588
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 2: he was taken to the tribe's sacred city built of

1589
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 2: solid gold. And then later when Esteban tried to find

1590
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: the city again. He never could, but the legend grew

1591
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 2: and explorers came to the New World in search of

1592
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 2: the city. And so that's like the information that Ben

1593
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: and Riley and Patrick and all these characters are working on.

1594
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 2: But they're like, we still don't know what this message means.

1595
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:14,879
Speaker 2: So they take it to an expert in a language

1596
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 2: that they refer to as and I quote ancient Native American,

1597
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: as if there is one language shared among all Indigenous

1598
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 2: Americans and that language is called Native American.

1599
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 3: Which, unfortunately, I mean, I don't think I had any

1600
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 3: institutional knowledge to severely questioned as a fourteen year.

1601
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: Old like, well no, based on what little we learn

1602
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 2: about indigenous people in American schools.

1603
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 3: I think there are many elements to this becus sound ridiculous,

1604
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 3: but like there are elements to the National Treasure movies

1605
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:55,480
Speaker 3: that just like really clearly illustrate like how vague americans

1606
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 3: general understanding of American history is. Yeah, yeah, this is

1607
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,959
Speaker 3: like a really really damning example.

1608
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So they go to Helen Mirren, who is, you know,

1609
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 2: an expert in the language of quote unquote ancient Native American,

1610
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, we think it's Olmec, and she's like, yeah,

1611
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 2: I think so. After all their puzzles includes blah blah blah,

1612
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: they find the city of Gold under Mount Rushmore, which

1613
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: is in South Dakota, famously, So, just to recap and

1614
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: put all of this information together, a slave was taken

1615
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: to a place off the coast of Florida, which is

1616
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 2: somehow also South Dakota, to a secret city of an

1617
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 2: unspecified indigenous tribe which may or may not have been Olmec,

1618
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 2: which does track for the meso American architecture that we

1619
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: see of the City of Gold at the end of

1620
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 2: the movie. But South Dakota and Florida are famously not

1621
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 2: near each other. They're not near each other, nor are

1622
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 2: they meso Americas or American.

1623
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1624
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 2: Also, the Omech people did not inhabit either of those

1625
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,520
Speaker 2: places of Florida or South Dakota. And the Olmecs existed

1626
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: from fifteen hundred BC to about four hundred BC, meaning

1627
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: that they were not around when the conquistadors were coming

1628
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 2: to this region of meso America to colonize and steal

1629
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 2: land and steal materials and gold and all that stuff.

1630
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 3: Brain.

1631
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: So when this Spanish ship crashed off the coast of

1632
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 2: Florida in fifteen twenty seven. The Omech people had not

1633
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 2: been around for about two thousand years.

1634
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 3: So this is thank you for doing this research, because

1635
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 3: I knew it was wrong, but I didn't know it

1636
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 3: was that many flavors of wrong.

1637
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said, this is all verytive of

1638
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: the way white American culture and our like education system

1639
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 2: number one treats indigenous cultures as a monolith because they

1640
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 2: are like jumping around in time, they're jumping around geographically,

1641
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: and they're just saying, well, it's Native American, so it

1642
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that we're referring to a tribe from like

1643
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:28,879
Speaker 2: millennia ago who were in a completely different geographic region.

1644
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, like doesn't acknowledge any of the diversity within indigenous culture.

1645
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 3: Speaks about Indigenous Americans as if they no longer.

1646
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 2: Exist exactly, yes, and that like.

1647
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 3: White American treasure hunters therefore are entitled to whatever they find,

1648
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 3: which is one of the most colonial pieces of thought

1649
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 3: that exists, is that you can just steal and claim

1650
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 3: it as your own, and that this is an act

1651
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 3: of valor, and this is an act of like that

1652
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,520
Speaker 3: you should be out of and profit off of is stealing.

1653
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 3: It's like almost hard to talk about because the story

1654
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 3: you just described is so fucking convoluted. But like I mean,

1655
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 3: and in two thousand and seven, making this for a

1656
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 3: white American audience, which like this movie very clearly is

1657
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 3: written in gibberish, Like there is no doubt in the

1658
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 3: way the movie is presented and in the way that

1659
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,839
Speaker 3: in most public American schools is taught that there's anything

1660
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:34,959
Speaker 3: wrong with this that like a white American guy finding

1661
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 3: a treasury that belongs to a culture that is not

1662
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 3: his own, finders keepers it's mine, And this is like

1663
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 3: just colonial logic and the reason that you know, many

1664
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 3: museums exist the way they do, the way the wealth

1665
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 3: is distributed and stolen. I mean, it's just like I'm

1666
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 3: sure we're not saying anything that listeners of this show

1667
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 3: don't know already, but it's just like presented so blatantly

1668
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 3: in a way that I don't even know would be

1669
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 3: possible to do now. But this movie came up fifteen

1670
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 3: years ago, Like it's not an old movie at all,

1671
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: and it's so like I don't know, I mean, I

1672
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 3: was really curious, not optimistic of how it would be handled,

1673
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 3: or even if the iconic character the President of the

1674
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 3: United States, the upholder of American white supremacy, would react

1675
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 3: to this piece of information, and like, we don't really know,

1676
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 3: it's unclear what's going to happen at the end, but

1677
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,799
Speaker 3: we know that the Gates family will once again profit

1678
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 3: off of it.

1679
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I'm glad you brought that up, because there's

1680
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 2: that scene when Ben Gates is kidnapping the President and

1681
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 2: the President is loving it and it's getting a horny

1682
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 2: but then he's like, why would I tell you where

1683
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 2: my Book of secrets is? And Ben says, because it

1684
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 2: will probably lead to the discovery of the greatest Native

1685
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 2: American treasure of all time, a huge piece of culture lost,

1686
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 2: and give that history back to its descendants. And you're like, Okay,

1687
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 2: if you do find this treasure, it absolutely should go

1688
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 2: back to the Native people you're trying to steal it from.

1689
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 2: But he's talking about himself, right, Yeah. The ethos of

1690
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 2: this movie is, oh, well, you know Native people in

1691
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 2: the New World, they did have this rich culture, but

1692
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 2: it got left behind somehow. I don't know how that happened,

1693
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 2: but it's ours now to find and to take because

1694
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: Native people are a thing of the past and they

1695
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 2: don't exist anymore.

1696
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 3: And we're honoring them by taking this right.

1697
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 2: They're part of history. So this treasure is ours to

1698
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 2: turn into a fun adventure.

1699
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 3: There's no talk of redistributing, I mean not to mention.

1700
01:41:56,120 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Much like the First National Treasure, it is like essentially

1701
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 3: all white cast There are a handful of black actors

1702
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 3: in minor roles, including a black government worker who's kind

1703
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 3: of bullied for bringing up that. This is during the

1704
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 3: Hotel debacle, but there is a black government employee who

1705
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 3: brings up to a white government employee like there's a

1706
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 3: rumor going on that the hotel that the President of

1707
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 3: the United States wants to hold his birthday at used

1708
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 3: to be a place where the clan would meet, right,

1709
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 3: And the white government employees says, well, is it true,

1710
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 3: and like immediately just starts like giving this guy shit,

1711
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 3: and that black government employee response, it doesn't really matter

1712
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 3: if it's true, we should move the party, and all

1713
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 3: the white government employees get so annoyed they're making like

1714
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 3: it's just like this movie. Yeah, it's doing absolutely I

1715
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 3: mean less than nothing.

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01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 2: There's another black character who kind of teams up with

1717
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 2: Ed Harris, who again is the descendant of a Confederate

1718
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 2: general who the again, the movie nor any of the

1719
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 2: characters care about question at all. They're like, oh wow,

1720
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 2: a general and an army. Good for him, the same thing,

1721
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 2: but the.

1722
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 3: Way that they like very much excuse the Queen of

1723
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 3: England for being like for being sympathetic to the Confederacy.

1724
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 3: They're like, well, she just didn't want a division in America.

1725
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 3: So and you're like, no, she's racist, Like it's a

1726
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 3: very easily illustrated argument that the Queen of England is racist,

1727
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about?

1728
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 2: Ugh? Yes, So it really adds insult to injury in

1729
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 2: this movie, in particular with the treasure being this indigenous treasure,

1730
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 2: this indigenous city on stolen land, where the people going

1731
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: after this treasure are all white, and many of them

1732
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 2: are from a family who was descended from people who

1733
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: were actively colonizing the New World and taking the land

1734
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 2: and lives of the indigenous people who centuries later would

1735
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: steal this treasure from because like we cut to like,

1736
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 2: I guess the government excavating this city and they don't

1737
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: even seem to be doing it properly. Because Helen Mirren's like,

1738
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: are you cataloging this and they're just like nope, And

1739
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: so you just like have all of these like white

1740
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 2: American federal government people like infiltrating this place, and then has.

1741
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 3: Turned into this weird joke where it's like, instead of

1742
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 3: acknowledging that the American government does not give a shit

1743
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 3: about Indigenous history, it cuts to John Voight, the King

1744
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 3: of Republicans, being like, you should have tried buying a

1745
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 3: couch with this lady. And I was like, oh my god,

1746
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 3: what the hell are we doing here?

1747
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? Yes, So all of that absolutely sucks. Yeah,

1748
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 2: and that's all I have to say about this movie.

1749
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, in terms of any sort of progressivism,

1750
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,759
Speaker 3: this movie is doing less than nothing. It is, truly,

1751
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 3: I think, one of the most jingoistic franchises of our generation.

1752
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 3: And in that way, I think if we're being you know,

1753
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 3: like just sort of legacy wise, it makes it worse

1754
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 3: that they're not straight up bad movies. It makes it

1755
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 3: worse that they're fun to watch, because it's like, if

1756
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 3: these movies go down easy and they're the romp is Undeniable.

1757
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 2: Ten out of ton on the rampometer. You can't deny it.

1758
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 3: Then it's much easier to accept and glaze over, which

1759
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 3: like we have done in the course of this episode,

1760
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 3: because it is a fun movie to watch and its

1761
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: core message is empty and baseless. It's not so anything

1762
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 3: new in terms of like the emptiness of how American

1763
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 3: history is viewed. It feels like it's ill. It's just

1764
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 3: illustrates how ingrained the sort of white supremacist line of

1765
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 3: thinking is in America that you can build a big,

1766
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 3: goofy action movie around it, And at least at the time,

1767
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 3: there was not a big questioning of the way that

1768
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 3: history is presented, where it's like understood that it's not

1769
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 3: a documentary, as I've argued it, but it's also like

1770
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 3: not presented. But the things that it was picked apart for.

1771
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 3: I went through some of the original reviews. The historical

1772
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 3: inaccuracies that's pulled apart for are not the ones we

1773
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 3: just discussed, right, They are like, well, actually, this guy

1774
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 3: that believes in the Confederacy actually believed in this version

1775
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 3: of the Confederacy, And you're like, that's not the thing

1776
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 3: we should really be putting a big old hell and

1777
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 3: mirror magnifying glass. To remember the scene where she has

1778
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 3: a big old magnifying glass.

1779
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1780
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 3: Anyways, yeah, this I mean, and and it doesn't pass

1781
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 3: the backtel test. Not for nothing. It doesn't pass the

1782
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 3: back to test. No, and I have to give it

1783
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 3: no nipples. I think, I think I have to give

1784
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 3: it none.

1785
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, zero nipples on our nipple scale, in

1786
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 2: which we examine the movie on a scale of zero

1787
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 2: to five nipples based on looking at it through an

1788
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: intersectional feminist lens, but based on everything we've discussed, as

1789
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 2: far as the piss poor treatment of the characters who

1790
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 2: are women.

1791
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,440
Speaker 3: The blatant disregard for history.

1792
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 2: There's not a single Native person in the movie.

1793
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 3: That revolves around a native treasure. We can't give you

1794
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 3: more information because, as you just explained, Kalen, it doesn't

1795
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 3: make any fucking sense. And unfortunately it's a very fun

1796
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 3: movie to watch in many ways. Yeah, there's really not

1797
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. I like, I really it's true. I

1798
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,879
Speaker 3: hope that our listeners like enjoy listening to these episodes.

1799
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 3: These movies are so incoherent, they're very goofy, but also

1800
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 3: like we want to acknowledge, you know, the kind of

1801
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: ideology that they're reinforcing. Yeah, because that does still happen

1802
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 3: in movies for sure. And I feel like the action

1803
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 3: genre is sort of a very common offender of this

1804
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 3: specific kind of misrepresentation.

1805
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 2: Especially this subgenre, because we've treasure hunting, Yeah, the treasure hunting,

1806
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 2: and even in like the Dora episode, it like does

1807
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 2: a slightly better job at handling this, but it still

1808
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 2: fumbled a lot of stuff. So these like, yeah, adventure

1809
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 2: go on a quest to find treasure movies almost always completely.

1810
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 3: Is taken from another culture that the movie has no

1811
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 3: interest in.

1812
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

1813
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so zero nipples, no nipples, a million Bruckheimer teeth.

1814
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 2: Forty seven pages of secrets in a book who knows?

1815
01:48:55,320 --> 01:49:01,560
Speaker 3: Who knows? Anyways, we hope that you enjoyed this episode.

1816
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 3: Are not annual because we I mean, unfortunately it's all

1817
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 3: over the place in movies, but our you know, jingoistic

1818
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:13,480
Speaker 3: nonsense movie of the Year, National Treasure two Book of Secrets.

1819
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 3: If you know it was on page forty seven, hit

1820
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:16,799
Speaker 3: us up.

1821
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Please, And the places you could hit us up, for

1822
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 2: example are Twitter and Instagram.

1823
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 3: If you know it's on page forty seven, yeah, we

1824
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 3: where you can follow us at Bechtel Cast.

1825
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 2: You can subscribe to our Patreon aka Matreon. You get

1826
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 2: five sorry, you get two bonus episodes every month for

1827
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 2: five dollars, as well as the back catalog of something

1828
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 2: like one hundred and almost one hundred and fifty fifty

1829
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 2: or so. And yeah, we're having a hell of a

1830
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 2: time over there. We just wrapped up.

1831
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 3: Junion Month, which is our union themed episodes. We do

1832
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 3: an in depth explainer of the WGA strike, and we

1833
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 3: also covered newsies and there's there's more some of fun

1834
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 3: to come over on the Matreon, So please join us

1835
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 3: over there. And in the meantime, I'm gonna go to

1836
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 3: borders to get a copy of a story that's definitely open,

1837
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 3: to get a copy of my man Riley's book. He's

1838
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 3: got to move copies. Someone's got to read it, someone's

1839
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 3: got to read it. On some page forty seven of

1840
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 3: Riley's book, literally no one knows, no one's ever gotten

1841
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 3: that far except Hervey Kaitel, What.

1842
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 2: A good friend. I'm gonna crack open a bottle of

1843
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 2: aquafina and.

1844
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 3: Bored on the nearest rock God that there is the

1845
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 3: moment where, like these movies at the midpoint they just could.

1846
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 3: It's so brain dead that you're just like, oh, they're

1847
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 3: gonna pour water on a rock? Yeah, brilliant, Sure, God

1848
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 3: fucking damn it.

1849
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 2: Well, I guess they ran out of good ideas.

1850
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this which this movie is full of. Oh I

1851
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 3: would like to just quickly one more time, shout out

1852
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage arguing with the child added nothing to the movie,

1853
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 3: but added a lot to my life.

1854
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:12,719
Speaker 2: Oh and hey, while we're speaking of books, you should

1855
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 2: read Rod Dog. Everyone you haven't.

1856
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 3: Already dog, Yes, it's true.

1857
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: It is what secrets are in that book of it

1858
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 2: looks secrets.

1859
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 3: Page forty seven of Raw Dog. Oh, baby, you don't

1860
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 3: even want to wait. Actually, let's find out. I've got

1861
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 3: a copy right here. Amazing, Okay, page forty seven. This

1862
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 3: is what they don't want you to know. Forty seven.

1863
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 3: Oh it's it's the whole page about an anthropomorphized pickle

1864
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 3: named garlic. Joe. Yes, I read about Joe. That's my

1865
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 3: book of secrets.

1866
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1867
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 3: Check it out. You can get it wherever books are sold.

1868
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 3: And it's pretty anti America. Helly, And with

1869
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 2: That, happy summer bye,