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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 2: We got lots, we got lots to save.

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Speaker 3: What Becker here and we hope you say because we

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Speaker 3: got lost, just say, yeah, we got lots to say.

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Speaker 4: Here's Bobby that everybody welcome to the show. Hey, no

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Speaker 4: sprinter van today, go spring Brand today. No, I brought

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Speaker 4: the escalade, you know, I just wanted to mix it

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Speaker 4: up a little bit. That van is so large? Is

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Speaker 4: that hard to drive? Not at all. I told you

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Speaker 4: it's the easiest car to drive that we have.

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Speaker 1: But to park it's you have many kids? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: the van that you drive it is a monster. It

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Speaker 1: is what artists will use before they get a bus.

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Speaker 1: Here in Nashville, they're touring. Like, to go from a

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Speaker 1: van to a sprinter van is a big deal because

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Speaker 1: there's actually a room to do stuff and you don't

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Speaker 1: need a CDL to drive it. Do you guys go

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Speaker 1: on family trips that think?

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Speaker 4: Yes, if we have like a longer say it's a

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Speaker 4: four or five hour trip or something like that, that's

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Speaker 4: about as far as I'm driving, by the way these days,

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Speaker 4: drive it. But I'll drive it. It's so easy to drive.

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Speaker 4: It's easier to park than actually my truck. I got

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Speaker 4: a dodgdraam. It's so much easier to park. Would you

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Speaker 4: let your oldest kid drive the family in the sprinter van?

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Speaker 4: She's fifteen, so now she has sixteen yeah? Right yet

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Speaker 4: not yet? Yeah, she's got our learners permit. There's nothing

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Speaker 4: scarer than the first time they get their learners permit

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Speaker 4: and they want to drive on the roads and they

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Speaker 4: really don't know how to drive because they haven't been

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Speaker 4: practicing obviously. And you get on one of these two

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Speaker 4: when it's a forty zone and you got four cars

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Speaker 4: just stay the course. But there is an acceleration right there.

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Speaker 4: It's it's kind of it's a little scary because you're

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Speaker 4: for granted when you drive for all the time, right,

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Speaker 4: But then when you're a passenger and your daughter's driving,

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Speaker 4: you're going who it's pretty it's a little different, a

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Speaker 1: Are you teaching her how to drive a standard at all?

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Speaker 4: How to drive.

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Speaker 1: What the old standard, the old stick shift.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no chance, no chance that works.

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Speaker 1: Is that not a thing anymore?

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Speaker 4: It's not a thing when we grew up, I think

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Speaker 4: it was a thing I had, Like my mom had

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Speaker 4: every different stop sign. So it was kind of your

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Speaker 4: if you could get into a stick shift and kind

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Speaker 4: of become effishent at it, you felt like you're doing something. Nowadays,

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Speaker 4: I don't know the last time I even saw a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't have any kids yet. I

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Speaker 1: learned to drive on a stick My stepdad taught me.

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Speaker 1: I cut the dogs off, and then I would be twelve,

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Speaker 4: Sick. That's awesome. Well, he just taught me for his

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Speaker 4: own good, right, But at the same time you're driving

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Speaker 1: Old, I was thirteen fourteen, and I drove a lot

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Speaker 4: Oh, fourteen was the that was the driving age.

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Speaker 1: And so from fourteen on you could drive with someone in.

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Speaker 1: But my town was so small you didn't even have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I bought an old like a eighty

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Speaker 4: Even make them. I bet you they doing like those

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Speaker 4: right if you want one, But yeah, if you want to,

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Speaker 4: I know you got something nice. Do you even know what?

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Speaker 4: Though I'm not a car guy. You never bought a

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Speaker 4: big fancy car. No. No, I did have a dealer

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Speaker 4: I've never had anything like that. I'm not a car guy.

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Speaker 1: And so I asked my business manager when I first

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Speaker 1: It was amazing, but it was so large I felt

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Speaker 1: I have a dealer. I have a Hunday through their partner,

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Speaker 1: and they're awesome. That's an awesome car because it's fully electric.

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Speaker 1: I never want them to go, ah, we don't want

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Speaker 1: It just feels weird. It's not mine, but I have it.

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Speaker 4: Can I borrow it? Yes? I had a lot of

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Speaker 4: driving going on. My miles are way up on all

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Speaker 1: It is technically technologically the best car I've ever had, really,

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Speaker 1: So I have that that's electric, and then I have

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Speaker 1: a Lamborghini US is what I drive normal like otherwise

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Speaker 4: That's the suv, the Lamborghini suv. But that one, it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't look like anything crazy. That's why I like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Do you think it looks crazy?

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Speaker 1: How you do think that is awesome? Other other than

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Speaker 1: the stamp With the Lamborghini, it's like muted. Does the

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Speaker 1: doors come up, No, but it's loud. Does it get

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Speaker 1: a little yellowkay? It doesn't mean anything. I was never

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. She goes, let's go look at another car.

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Speaker 1: So I want to look at some SUV's. It was

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Speaker 4: I was gonna buy a car. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to look flashy.

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Speaker 4: Right, but you see you just walk into the most

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Speaker 4: If it was a Nissan dealership, would have you walked in?

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a Nissan dealership right there. But I'm saying

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Speaker 4: if that was the only one open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we went in like six places. Oh you did, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to. It was the only one open that

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Speaker 1: we hadn't been to. Okay, the last one it was rainy.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to go inside. And so I walked around

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Speaker 1: wantly love the color though. What color we It's a blue?

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Speaker 1: Oh you look good and blue.

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Speaker 4: I don't like blue. Bring out your eyes.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about getting what do you call me?

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Speaker 5: Rap rap?

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Speaker 1: I was surprised you got that color. They only make

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Speaker 1: like five colors. Anyway, I want people felt sorry for

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Speaker 4: It's it's blue. Are you kidding me? Now? Yeah? So

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Speaker 4: it's a good car though, it's a great car. Great car.

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Speaker 4: So they convinced you just when you walked in. Didn't

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Speaker 1: Then they didn't convince me of anything. I think in

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't either.

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Speaker 1: He goes, everybody wants to come in and like get

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Speaker 1: in a Lamborghini. I don't know anything about cars.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I I don't want to wreck somebody's car that I

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, that's interesting. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people come in. I said, do they come in and

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Speaker 1: how do you know they haven't enough money to buy it?

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Speaker 1: He goes, the people that come in that look like

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Speaker 1: you know are on a show, not a facade. I

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Speaker 4: Short They must have thought I had to like elon money,

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Speaker 4: like this guy is going to buy a car to

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Speaker 4: it's a great car though, great car, Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's good, it's cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had to to uh, I took it in because

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Speaker 1: I had a tail light busted or like a broken

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Speaker 1: nail in both through your back tie. It wasn't the dealership,

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Speaker 1: it was the place that I take it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I had an in both of my back tires.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was a mistake they were coming after me, Bobby.

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy theory. People have to know. Good Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to lead with this conspiracy theory. The Bownecks didn't get

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Speaker 4: Heard his ankle. You guys heard that. Conspiracy theory. That's

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Speaker 1: How much did that have to suck for?

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Speaker 1: Just have to say it then, but then have to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what? I think that he ended all

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Speaker 4: Because the Giants have had a history of success, right,

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Speaker 1: Dable didn't succeed there and you're bringing a guy in

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Speaker 4: year with Daniel Jones, the healthy Daniel Jones, and that

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Speaker 4: went into signing Daniel Jones back on a bigger contract.

433
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Speaker 4: But then I believe he got hurt the next year

434
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Speaker 4: and then the year last year. But prior to this

435
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Speaker 4: one they traded Daniel Jones away had disarray at the

436
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Speaker 4: quarterback position. This year, it felt like they were going

437
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Speaker 4: to be moving in the right direction, but you still

438
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Speaker 4: have Jackson Dart as a young quarterback. You lose mylak

439
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Speaker 4: neighbors early, you lose Scataboo. You have all these elements

440
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Speaker 4: that play in to being a factor of why you're

441
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Speaker 4: not successful continuously. And then I think that upper level

442
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Speaker 4: management got You know, Brian Daball is a tough personality,

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Speaker 4: right when I say that, like, you know what, I

444
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Speaker 4: know him well. He was with me for four years

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Speaker 4: in New England.

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Speaker 1: Would tell me, would you want to hire him be

447
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Speaker 1: a head coach for you?

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Speaker 4: I would, I mean because I was with him when

449
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Speaker 4: he was a wide receivers coach. He also was my

450
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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator and he's a brilliant offensive mind, brilliant offensive mind.

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Speaker 4: So he's going to put you in a position to

452
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Speaker 4: be successful. And like I said, he he knows Buffalo.

453
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Speaker 4: He grew up in Buffalo. He's got a passion for Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: I think that he would be a really good hire

455
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Speaker 4: for Josh Allen because he understands what this offense needs

456
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Speaker 4: to do to be successful. They've got pieces with James

457
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Speaker 4: Cook as well a good offensive line. They need to

458
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Speaker 4: add weapons on the outside and that's been one of

459
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Speaker 4: their biggest issues that they've had.

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Speaker 1: So you would hire Brian Dable as a head coach

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Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I would.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a question. I'm not saying you are hiring him, No, not.

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Speaker 4: I would. You would risk it, risk it all. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that there's a ton of candidates

466
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Speaker 4: that you're getting super excited about from an offensive standpoint

467
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Speaker 4: to come in and do you want a young coordinator

468
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Speaker 4: coming in taking over for his first time head coaching

469
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Speaker 4: job win all the pressures on you to win. Now,

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Speaker 4: Like I said, when you go out and fire a coach,

471
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Speaker 4: it's been as successful as Sean mcdertt. Now they haven't

472
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Speaker 4: won the big game. I get it. It's tough to do.

473
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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, he's been wildly

474
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Speaker 4: successful if you look at his tenure with the Buffalo Bills,

475
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Speaker 4: and now you're saying you want a young coach to

476
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Speaker 4: take over this program, and that's where your starting point is.

477
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Speaker 4: It's be tough.

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Speaker 1: GM Matt Castle just hired Brian da War. Breaking news,

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Speaker 1: breaking news, breaking news. You're welcome, dab all. It's time

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Speaker 1: score to anytime touchdown props or the thrill of live

482
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Speaker 1: in game betting, every snap is loaded with the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: We got two games. It's championship weekend. Patriots a Broncos.

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Speaker 1: You two guys are Patriots the lovers. I like the

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Speaker 1: way you say that you love Patriots.

486
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Speaker 4: The lovers.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to ask here, because the

488
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Speaker 1: Broncos are a big time underdog. They're like five and

489
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Speaker 1: a half points is what I last saw, almost a

490
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Speaker 1: full touchdown at home at home with that defense. How

491
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Speaker 1: confident are you?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 1: Don't do that confidence like you don't want to jink yourself.

494
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Speaker 1: Let's just talk real here. How confident are you that

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Speaker 1: the Patriots can go take care of business.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, on a scale of let's say one to ten,

497
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Speaker 3: ten being most confident, most confident six and a half,

498
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Speaker 3: you are lying sixty five six and a half. Why

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Speaker 3: you think you think it's more? I think if it

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Speaker 3: was at home, I'd be eight eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: I think you're still lying about that. I think you're

502
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Speaker 1: probably at least at a seven seven and a half.

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Speaker 1: I was that a six last week against Texans.

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Speaker 4: You were at home. I was at home. You're at

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Speaker 4: home or Patriot. I was also at home watching the game.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to jinx it.

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Speaker 4: See.

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Speaker 1: I can't even talk with him. He doesn't want to

509
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Speaker 1: jinx it.

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Speaker 4: I know. I think he's one of those reverse psychology.

511
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Speaker 4: If I say something, I don't want to jinx it

512
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Speaker 4: this guy. What do you think I'm a seven? I'm

513
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Speaker 4: a seven. I do believe this game. When you look

514
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Speaker 4: at the defense for Denver, obviously they're one of the

515
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Speaker 4: top two defenses. Is in the lead. But you saw

516
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Speaker 4: what Houston did last week. They created three turnovers, trick

517
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Speaker 4: May through an interception, strip sacked twice. He had two

518
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Speaker 4: other balls on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So much snow, though it was so much factor like

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Speaker 1: cold wet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if it's slick and wet, yes, one hundred percent,

522
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Speaker 4: but a lot of those happened within the pocket, right

523
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Speaker 4: They just got beat and so that is going to

524
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Speaker 4: be I think the biggest factor in this game is

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Speaker 4: one not turning over the ball. Obviously either side. It

526
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Speaker 4: seems very elementary to say that, but they've had some

527
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Speaker 4: turnover issues in those first two games. They've got to

528
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Speaker 4: take care of the football and they've got to be

529
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Speaker 4: able to handle the pass rush because vanc Jotsof, who's

530
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Speaker 4: the coordinator there for Denver, He's a beast and he's

531
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Speaker 4: gonna throw a bunch of different stuff out at you.

532
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Speaker 4: He's gonna muddy your looks, he's gonna blitch you. He's

533
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Speaker 4: going to try to put pressure on you. And you

534
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Speaker 4: can't afford to turn over the ball, especially because you're

535
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Speaker 4: playing in a stadium like that in Denver.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna try to Sam Darnold's did them.

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Speaker 4: I think to a certain point, because they need to

538
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Speaker 4: get the run game going. They've got a good offensive line,

539
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Speaker 4: they've got a good run game that sets everything up

540
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Speaker 4: in that offensive structure with Sean Payton the way that

541
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Speaker 4: he does it, it's the stretch zone outside inside, but

542
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Speaker 4: then off of that, it's the boots and the movement.

543
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Speaker 4: And that's a great way to get a young quarterback

544
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Speaker 4: that hasn't played a lot. Now he's not young, but

545
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Speaker 4: he hasn't played a lot of football to get him

546
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Speaker 4: in a rhythm early. And so I think that you're

547
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Speaker 4: going to see a lot of that and they're hopefully

548
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Speaker 4: going to take a lot of pressure off of them

549
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Speaker 4: with the run game to set up some shots down

550
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Speaker 4: the field. Yeah, I think the Patriots win this one

551
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Speaker 4: going away. You think they cover that? Yeah?

552
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Speaker 1: Really probably late, but yeah, yeah, yeah, See if it wasn't.

553
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Speaker 3: If it wasn't for Sean Payton at the head coach,

554
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Speaker 3: I'd feel a little better. There's a few like a

555
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton, like an Amy Reid or something, but if

556
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Speaker 3: it was I don't know. The Mico Ryan's again offense

557
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Speaker 3: to him. He's done a great job, but he's not

558
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Speaker 3: Sean Payton. That's what I think makes me a little nervous.

559
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Speaker 3: He also loves it. I'm like, that's the first guy signed.

560
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Speaker 3: I think whenever he liked him, he wanted to keep

561
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Speaker 3: him there. He could have gone to other places, he

562
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Speaker 3: wanted to keep him there.

563
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Speaker 4: But I think the other factor is you look at

564
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Speaker 4: Sean Payton. You go back to the Saints when Breeze

565
00:24:07,016 --> 00:24:09,616
Speaker 4: got banged up and Teddy Bridgewater went in there. He

566
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Speaker 4: won five straight games I think it was when he

567
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Speaker 4: was with the Saints. So he's dealt with backup quarterbacks

568
00:24:14,215 --> 00:24:16,416
Speaker 4: before that have come in and been successful, and he

569
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Speaker 4: knows he probably knows the strength and weaknesses. This isn't

570
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Speaker 4: a kid that they just picked up this year and

571
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Speaker 4: he's a rookie. They don't have any idea what they're

572
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Speaker 4: dealing with. He's been there since what two thousand and

573
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Speaker 4: a few years now, Yeah, a few years, so he

574
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Speaker 4: knows the system. He's probably comfortable in it and understands

575
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Speaker 4: the general philosophy.

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy to think that both offenses are going

577
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Speaker 1: to be so conservative as to not make mistakes because

578
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Speaker 1: they think one Denver has to be conservative with Cindema, right,

579
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Speaker 1: Drake May and Josh McDaniels, they're going to be conservative

580
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Speaker 1: because why would they not if the offense isn't scoring

581
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Speaker 1: a bunch of points On the other side, Like I

582
00:24:49,696 --> 00:24:52,055
Speaker 1: feel like both offenses aren't going to take big risks,

583
00:24:52,215 --> 00:24:54,096
Speaker 1: because why would you, Especially in the first half of

584
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Speaker 1: the game. I feel like that's two boxers just coming

585
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Speaker 1: out just seeing what the other person is going to do,

586
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Speaker 1: wait the counter.

587
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the exact philosophy that a lot

588
00:25:02,735 --> 00:25:05,015
Speaker 4: of these offensive coordinators. When you're going in against a

589
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Speaker 4: defense like the Denver Broncos, you're coming out early on

590
00:25:08,536 --> 00:25:11,055
Speaker 4: and you're testing the waters. You're showing them different formations.

591
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Speaker 4: How are they lining up, are they traveling with that

592
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Speaker 4: slot receiver, are they playing more man? Are they blitzing

593
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Speaker 4: us and trying to get a beat on kind of

594
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Speaker 4: how the game's going to go. And then as you

595
00:25:19,816 --> 00:25:23,255
Speaker 4: get to that through those first few series, you start

596
00:25:23,296 --> 00:25:25,936
Speaker 4: to see, Okay, this is what they're doing to this formation,

597
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Speaker 4: let's counter with this. So it's it's that punch counter

598
00:25:28,936 --> 00:25:31,136
Speaker 4: punch type deal, and that happens, and then as you

599
00:25:31,136 --> 00:25:33,936
Speaker 4: get into the second half, you start to really understand, Okay,

600
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Speaker 4: this is what they're trying to do to us. They're

601
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Speaker 4: blitzing us heavy on first and second down with run

602
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Speaker 4: defensive blitzes. So let's throw the ball, let's go to

603
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Speaker 4: use our quick game do something like that. So it's

604
00:25:44,536 --> 00:25:47,496
Speaker 4: always that chess match, but it's particularly against a really

605
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Speaker 4: good defense that you don't want to get those edge

606
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Speaker 4: rushers going and get into big third and long situations.

607
00:25:52,336 --> 00:25:54,416
Speaker 4: You're trying to stay on track, run the ball, and

608
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Speaker 4: do what you can to limit those guys.

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Speaker 1: I would even say it's different than if you were

610
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Speaker 1: playing against the Josh Allen against the Mahomes, against a Burrow,

611
00:26:01,975 --> 00:26:04,495
Speaker 1: against Lamar Jackson, because you know they're going to score points.

612
00:26:05,455 --> 00:26:07,735
Speaker 1: Ought to go out and score points. I don't know

613
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Speaker 1: who you have to score that many points, right, I

614
00:26:10,576 --> 00:26:13,096
Speaker 1: think you just have to score some, and you play

615
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Speaker 1: conservative so you don't allow them to score a whole

616
00:26:15,215 --> 00:26:16,496
Speaker 1: bunch anyway.

617
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Speaker 4: I like I like it. No, it's true. That's exactly

618
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Speaker 4: how you I take it.

619
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Speaker 3: To figure it out there the head coach in GM

620
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Speaker 3: right here, Yeah, yeah, bring me in.

621
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Speaker 1: Rams at Seahawks. The Seahawks are two and a half

622
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Speaker 1: point favorite. I'm surprised as of right now it's only

623
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Speaker 1: a two and a half point spread.

624
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Speaker 4: I'm picking the Rams.

625
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Speaker 1: I think the Rams had I think the Bears almost

626
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Speaker 1: had there. Yep, the Lord has anointed them all champions

627
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Speaker 1: of the World last week, yeah, and and and eight

628
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Speaker 1: times this year.

629
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Speaker 4: The hail Mary at the end of the game. Are

630
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Speaker 4: you kidding me?

631
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Speaker 1: They didn't win with all of that. I think it's

632
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Speaker 1: the Ram. I'm just going to sign from above. I'm

633
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Speaker 1: taking the Rams, not even I don't need any points.

634
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Speaker 1: I'm just taking the Rams straight out, all right. The

635
00:26:59,536 --> 00:27:01,656
Speaker 1: best quarterback on the field when it's close is often

636
00:27:01,696 --> 00:27:03,336
Speaker 1: who I lean with, Matthew Stafford.

637
00:27:03,416 --> 00:27:06,136
Speaker 4: Matthew quarterback is the best quarterback on the field, and

638
00:27:06,136 --> 00:27:08,696
Speaker 4: that's quarterback left. And you know what, I think, I'm

639
00:27:08,696 --> 00:27:11,696
Speaker 4: going to go with the Rams as well, because they

640
00:27:11,776 --> 00:27:14,536
Speaker 4: split this year, right, but the split the second game,

641
00:27:15,256 --> 00:27:18,096
Speaker 4: they're winning thirty to fourteen, go in the fourth quarter,

642
00:27:18,816 --> 00:27:20,376
Speaker 4: thirty to fourteen. They blew it.

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Speaker 1: Insane game.

644
00:27:20,975 --> 00:27:23,775
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was an insane game. Seattle had to

645
00:27:23,816 --> 00:27:26,816
Speaker 4: have everything go right for them. They had the return,

646
00:27:27,376 --> 00:27:29,336
Speaker 4: they had that little what was it a two point

647
00:27:29,376 --> 00:27:31,696
Speaker 4: conversion or whatever that was like a fumble into the

648
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Speaker 4: end zone.

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Speaker 1: Picked it up, Yeah, they picked it up, and how's this?

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Speaker 4: Oh perfect, that's crazy. It was crazy. And then they

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Speaker 4: won thirty eight to thirty seven. But then you also

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Speaker 4: look at the first game and you go well, Sam

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Speaker 4: They won by two points in the two games that

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Speaker 4: So that that right, there is an area for concern.

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Speaker 4: And I just think that the Rams I'm going to

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get on senior NFL rider at the

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Speaker 1: Boston Globe, Ben. Hey, Ben, it's Bolan, right, it's said Bolan.

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Speaker 1: Just want to make sure I get it right. I've

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Speaker 1: only have a read your stuff. I've never heard your name.

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Speaker 1: That's always what I was taught like. Okay, good. Here

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Speaker 1: as senior NFL rider at the Boston Globe, Ben Volan.

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Speaker 1: Ben's covered the NFL since two thousand and seven. He

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Speaker 1: joined the Globe in twenty thirteen after covering the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: and the Gators for years. He is as connected to

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Speaker 1: anyone when it comes to ending Patriots, which is perfect

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Speaker 1: for this show. And especially you know, just the NFL

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Speaker 1: in general. You can follow on Twitter at Ben Volan.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to Ben for coming on.

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Speaker 4: Ben.

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Speaker 1: What are you working on right now? Like this second?

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Speaker 1: What are you working on?

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Speaker 5: My travel plans?

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Speaker 6: Because first thing in the morning, I'm hopping on a

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Speaker 6: plane and go to Denver. I'm gonna be reporting behind

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Speaker 6: enemy lines this week. We've got a lot of reporters

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Speaker 6: here in Boston for the Globe to cover the Patriots,

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Speaker 6: but I'm gonna go out to Denver and get the

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Speaker 6: scoop on the Jared Stidham situation and talk to Sean.

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Speaker 5: Payton and everyone involved there.

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Speaker 6: And my plan also is to go out and talk

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Speaker 6: to all the bartenders and waiters and whoever you know,

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Speaker 6: all the Broncos fans and get their temperature of how

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Speaker 6: they feel about the turn of events here at quarterback

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Speaker 6: and everything. So looking forward to getting out to Mile

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Speaker 6: High and having a.

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Speaker 5: Good week in Denver.

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Speaker 4: Ben, when you heard Mike Vrabel was coming in to

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Speaker 4: be the new head coach of the New England Patriots

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Speaker 4: last year, did you ever in a million years think

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Speaker 4: that this turnaround was gonna happen as quickly as it has?

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent. No, I'm not gonna pretend like I

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Speaker 6: saw this coming. My prediction that I put in the

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Speaker 6: paper like an ink was eight and nine, and to

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Speaker 6: me that felt good, like, hey, double the wind total

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Speaker 6: from last year. A good start for the Patriots. They've

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Speaker 6: been covered in Unicorn duffs this year. Every move they've

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Speaker 6: made has turned out well. From you know, Vrabel was

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Speaker 6: a home run, which I did think that was a

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Speaker 6: great hire. I thought they should have hired him last year,

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Speaker 6: frankly when he got fired by the Tech Titans and

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Speaker 6: the Patriots had an opening.

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Speaker 5: So I did think that Rabel would be a home run.

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Speaker 6: But Drake may no, I never thought he would take

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Speaker 6: this many steps forward in his second year to the

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Speaker 6: point where he's legitimately in the top two for MVP.

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Speaker 6: I didn't think Josh McDaniel's offense with an entire new

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Speaker 6: staff who had never worked with him before would work

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Speaker 6: this well this quickly, when all we heard for years

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Speaker 6: was how difficult that offense could be, and especially for

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Speaker 6: wide receivers. I didn't think every free agent move on

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Speaker 6: defense would work out. From Milton Williams to Robert Splane

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Speaker 6: to Harold Landry has been great and Carlton Davis has

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Speaker 6: been solid, and Morgan Moses on the offensive line has

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Speaker 6: been you know, really solid at right tackle, and just

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Speaker 6: you know, and then the schedule has been very i

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Speaker 6: think accommodating. They didn't play many great quarterbacks this year,

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Speaker 6: and that's kind of holding true in the playoffs as well.

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Speaker 6: But just everything has fallen into place really really quickly.

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Speaker 6: And I definitely did not see this.

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Speaker 1: Coming being so close to the organization. What was the

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Speaker 1: first or first and first couple of culture shifts that

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Speaker 1: you saw happen within the organization.

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Speaker 5: That's a good question.

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Speaker 6: You know, Rabel has been very intentional about guys getting

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Speaker 6: to know each other, which I like Matt probably knows

752
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Speaker 6: this better than me, but I don't know how much

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Speaker 6: things were or weren't done under Belichick. But Rabel has

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Speaker 6: been very intentional about having guys like stand up in

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Speaker 6: front of the room and tell everyone about his whys

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Speaker 6: and who he's playing for and what causes are important

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Speaker 6: to him.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's been a great.

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Speaker 6: Way to build cohesion in a locker room where it's

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Speaker 6: a lot of new guys this year, a lot of

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Speaker 6: free agents and rookies. He was also very intentional about

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Speaker 6: sweeping out the old leadership. They you know, if you

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Speaker 6: were a captain last year, you had a target on you.

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Speaker 6: You know, some guys were towards the end of their career,

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Speaker 6: but others like the long snapper Joe Cardona, he's still

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Speaker 6: an excellent long snapper. But Vrabel wanted his leaders in there,

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Speaker 6: and so he turned over the locker room leadership. And

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Speaker 6: I think that's you know, it's been helpful for them

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Speaker 6: this year to build their own identity and to really

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Speaker 6: move forward beyond the Belichick days and into now the

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Speaker 6: Mike Vrabel days. So you know, he's I just think

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Speaker 6: he's been very intentional about wanting to build a culture

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Speaker 6: and be player first. And you see him shaking everyone's

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Speaker 6: hand going into the locker room. I know he did

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Speaker 6: that when he was in Tennessee as well. But Rabel's always,

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Speaker 6: you know, promoting the players and making sure they get

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Speaker 6: time with their families.

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Speaker 5: And they brought back the individual introductions.

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Speaker 6: Before the pregame. For twenty five years here, they always

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Speaker 6: were introduced as a team. Now Vrabel's had them being

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Speaker 6: introduced individually. It's okay to have a little spotlight and

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Speaker 6: to get a little you know, noticed from the fans.

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Speaker 6: So those are just some of the things I see

784
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Speaker 6: that certainly have been different from the Belichick days and

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Speaker 6: have helped Vrabel build his own culture very quickly here.

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Speaker 4: You know, you hear a lot too with the Patriots

787
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Speaker 4: about the wide receiving corps, how they lack maybe that

788
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Speaker 4: top tier talent, but who are some of the guys

789
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Speaker 4: have really stepped up for this wide receiving corps this year.

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Speaker 6: That's been one of the biggest surprises is how well

791
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Speaker 6: this offense has been going and how dynamic it's been

792
00:34:32,736 --> 00:34:36,256
Speaker 6: with not the same receivers because you know, Stefan Diggs

793
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Speaker 6: and Mac Collins are new, but you know, Kaishawn Booty,

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00:34:39,016 --> 00:34:40,616
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, it looks like a.

795
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Speaker 5: Pro Bowl kind of player.

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Speaker 6: And I mean that one handed catch in the end

797
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Speaker 6: zone at the end of the game the other night

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Speaker 6: was an all timer. So he's been tremendous all year

799
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Speaker 6: as an intermediate to deep threat. A guy they picked

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Speaker 6: up in the sixth round a few years ago, who's

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Speaker 6: really I think been a home run pick for them.

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Speaker 6: Tomorrio Douglas has been great, you know, Like I said,

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Speaker 6: the additions of Stefan Diggs and mccollins have been really big.

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Speaker 6: Diggs really more of a possession guy over the middle

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Speaker 6: of the field, but cracked one thousand yards. You know,

806
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Speaker 6: was in the lineup every week coming off in acl

807
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Speaker 6: last year. Maybe not quite the number one that he

808
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Speaker 6: was in Buffalo, but Diggs was a real solid presence

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Speaker 6: for them. It came up big and you know, showed

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Speaker 6: those strong hands in that game against the Texans the

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Speaker 6: other day. And then mac collins he played for McDaniels

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Speaker 6: before in Vegas, and he's been a real good addition

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Speaker 6: because his size, I mean, at six foot four, he's tenacious,

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Speaker 6: he's a beast as a blocker, and so when they

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Speaker 6: go you know, like thirteen personnel and he's the one

816
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Speaker 6: receiver on the field, that's basically like having a fourth

817
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Speaker 6: tight end. And so they haven't had him the last

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Speaker 6: four weeks, but he could return from ir this week

819
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Speaker 6: against the Broncos. So mac collins is a blocker, but

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Speaker 6: really as a receiver as well, he's been a really

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Speaker 6: good possession receiver. To me, it's just a testament of

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Speaker 6: McDaniels and his offense. The scheme has been tremendous. And

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Speaker 6: then Drake May. When you have a great quarterback, he

824
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Speaker 6: can make your receivers great. And I think that's what

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Speaker 6: we're seeing this year.

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Speaker 1: Can you give me any sort of insight as to

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Speaker 1: what Drake May's role is in the lockerow room or

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Speaker 1: how he's grown as a person there.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously they're looking at him as the leader.

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Speaker 6: And when I said they swept out last year's leadership,

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Speaker 6: you know, last year, Drake May was in a tough spot.

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Speaker 6: He's the number three pick and everyone's looking at him

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Speaker 6: as the future. But Jacoby Brissett was elected the captain

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Speaker 6: and he was the one that the franchise was looking

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Speaker 6: for to lead them in training camp and early in

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Speaker 6: the season.

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Speaker 5: So both those guys.

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Speaker 6: Were doing a little bit of an awkward dance last

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Speaker 6: year about how much would they really be exerting their leadership.

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Speaker 6: Brissette was, you know, one of the guys who was

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Speaker 6: not re signed this year, even though you know, I

842
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Speaker 6: think he showed in Arizona.

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Speaker 5: Still has plenty of good football left. But that opened

844
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Speaker 5: the door for Drake too.

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Speaker 6: And not to mention the trade of Joe Milton as well,

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Speaker 6: I think that helped Drake May really be able to

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Speaker 6: spread his wings and establish himself as you're the franchise guy.

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Speaker 5: Now you're the leader, and you're the one everyone's going

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Speaker 5: to look up to.

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Speaker 6: And for someone who's twenty three, I think he's done

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Speaker 6: a really good job of establishing his voice, not being

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Speaker 6: overly demanding, still knowing that there are guys in the

853
00:37:02,256 --> 00:37:06,456
Speaker 6: locker room with more experience than him, Henry Milton Williams.

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Speaker 5: He's not gonna be barking at them.

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Speaker 6: But I think Drake has really shown the right kind

856
00:37:11,416 --> 00:37:15,296
Speaker 6: of leadership with you know, demanding attention to detail, with

857
00:37:15,456 --> 00:37:18,456
Speaker 6: being one of the hardest workers, saying all the right things,

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00:37:18,496 --> 00:37:20,936
Speaker 6: being accountable. You never have an issue with Drake about

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00:37:20,976 --> 00:37:24,216
Speaker 6: skipping a press conference or anything like that, you know,

860
00:37:24,296 --> 00:37:28,016
Speaker 6: for someone who's younger and not doesn't have a ton

861
00:37:28,056 --> 00:37:31,496
Speaker 6: of football experience, I think Drake May really started to

862
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Speaker 6: establish himself as the leader, you know, in the offseason,

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Speaker 6: and really as the season has gone along, and obviously

864
00:37:37,136 --> 00:37:41,256
Speaker 6: as he's played so well, has really grown already.

865
00:37:40,856 --> 00:37:43,256
Speaker 5: Into a great voice for that Patriots locker room.

866
00:37:43,336 --> 00:37:45,056
Speaker 4: You know, Drake May gets a lot of the attention,

867
00:37:45,176 --> 00:37:49,656
Speaker 4: obviously and deservedly so, but this defense, particularly in the playoffs,

868
00:37:49,656 --> 00:37:51,776
Speaker 4: when you watch him throughout the year. They've been very consistent,

869
00:37:51,776 --> 00:37:55,136
Speaker 4: but they've gotten healthier with Milton Williams Christian Barmore's back.

870
00:37:55,336 --> 00:37:57,416
Speaker 4: But talk about this defense what they've been able to

871
00:37:57,456 --> 00:37:59,616
Speaker 4: accomplish over these first two weeks of the playoffs.

872
00:37:59,856 --> 00:38:02,816
Speaker 6: Yeah, the health has been so key, Matt. You know,

873
00:38:02,856 --> 00:38:05,376
Speaker 6: when they were without Milton Williams for five weeks and

874
00:38:05,416 --> 00:38:09,096
Speaker 6: Roberts splaine for four weeks and those are overlapping injuries,

875
00:38:10,016 --> 00:38:12,456
Speaker 6: not a coincidence that the run defense kind of fell apart.

876
00:38:13,056 --> 00:38:15,216
Speaker 6: That was the game, That was the period when they

877
00:38:15,216 --> 00:38:17,056
Speaker 6: were up twenty one nothing on the Bills and Josh

878
00:38:17,096 --> 00:38:19,056
Speaker 6: Allen the Bills came back to beat them thirty five

879
00:38:19,136 --> 00:38:21,896
Speaker 6: thirty one. So they got Milton Williams back in week

880
00:38:21,936 --> 00:38:24,376
Speaker 6: eighteen and Spalayne back for the wild card round, and

881
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:27,416
Speaker 6: I mean, you can see it's night and day, especially

882
00:38:27,416 --> 00:38:30,416
Speaker 6: the run defense. I saw a stat where with Spalaane

883
00:38:30,456 --> 00:38:32,815
Speaker 6: off the field, the Patriots allow like four point five,

884
00:38:32,856 --> 00:38:35,096
Speaker 6: four point six yards per carry, and then with him

885
00:38:35,096 --> 00:38:37,416
Speaker 6: on the field, it's like three six, three seven. So

886
00:38:37,496 --> 00:38:41,416
Speaker 6: he's just, you know, a tenacious run defender. And you know,

887
00:38:41,456 --> 00:38:43,376
Speaker 6: the last two weeks it's helped that. You know, the

888
00:38:43,496 --> 00:38:45,976
Speaker 6: Chargers were banged up in the Texans c J.

889
00:38:46,096 --> 00:38:48,496
Speaker 5: Stroud. That was just a mess of a performance.

890
00:38:48,536 --> 00:38:52,336
Speaker 6: But the Patriots defense has allowed one touchdown in twenty

891
00:38:52,376 --> 00:38:53,456
Speaker 6: five drives.

892
00:38:53,056 --> 00:38:55,136
Speaker 5: In the postseason, which is just phenomenal.

893
00:38:56,096 --> 00:38:58,016
Speaker 6: You know, they took it to heart last week when

894
00:38:58,016 --> 00:39:01,856
Speaker 6: everyone was talking about the Texans defense, the Patriots defense

895
00:39:01,856 --> 00:39:03,856
Speaker 6: definitely came to play with those five takeaways.

896
00:39:04,056 --> 00:39:05,936
Speaker 5: And I think it's gonna be some of this this week.

897
00:39:05,976 --> 00:39:08,056
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously a lot of the attention is gonna

898
00:39:08,056 --> 00:39:10,496
Speaker 6: be on the Broncos quarterback, but the Broncos have an

899
00:39:10,576 --> 00:39:12,776
Speaker 6: awesome defense, led the league in sacks, you.

900
00:39:12,776 --> 00:39:16,136
Speaker 5: Know, tremendous pass rush upfront. And you know, the.

901
00:39:16,056 --> 00:39:18,936
Speaker 6: Patriots defense is still not the unit that I think

902
00:39:19,016 --> 00:39:22,016
Speaker 6: is getting a lot of attention nationally, so they'll look

903
00:39:22,056 --> 00:39:25,496
Speaker 6: for any edge they can find to motivate themselves. But

904
00:39:25,976 --> 00:39:29,096
Speaker 6: you know, the defense is excellent right now with Milton

905
00:39:29,096 --> 00:39:31,976
Speaker 6: Williams and Christian Barmore getting that push up the middle.

906
00:39:32,296 --> 00:39:34,656
Speaker 6: Clavon Chason has been a nice fine for them on

907
00:39:34,696 --> 00:39:37,696
Speaker 6: the edge. Spallane's been terrific in run defense, and then

908
00:39:37,696 --> 00:39:40,336
Speaker 6: I think they have an excellent secondary with Christian Gonzales,

909
00:39:40,736 --> 00:39:42,976
Speaker 6: Marcus Joon, the slock corner, who's to me the most

910
00:39:43,056 --> 00:39:45,576
Speaker 6: electric player in the NFL. And then we'll see about

911
00:39:45,616 --> 00:39:48,176
Speaker 6: Carlton Davis, who actually is dealing with a concussion.

912
00:39:48,256 --> 00:39:49,576
Speaker 5: We don't know if he's going to play this week.

913
00:39:49,656 --> 00:39:52,656
Speaker 6: But all three levels, the Patriots defense has played really well.

914
00:39:52,736 --> 00:39:55,696
Speaker 6: And other than Carlton Davis, they're about the healthiest they

915
00:39:55,696 --> 00:39:57,216
Speaker 6: could be right now and playing pretty well.

916
00:39:57,536 --> 00:39:59,696
Speaker 1: He just talked about something that I wanted to shut

917
00:39:59,696 --> 00:40:01,576
Speaker 1: a little more light into, which is the Texans had

918
00:40:01,616 --> 00:40:04,696
Speaker 1: an awesome defense. The Broncos have an awesome defense, probably

919
00:40:04,776 --> 00:40:07,656
Speaker 1: the two best in the AFC. What do you think

920
00:40:07,816 --> 00:40:10,416
Speaker 1: the Patriots learned last week that they can actually put

921
00:40:10,456 --> 00:40:12,816
Speaker 1: into their game plan this week, because again they're playing

922
00:40:12,896 --> 00:40:14,976
Speaker 1: such a dominant defense for the second week in a row.

923
00:40:15,216 --> 00:40:16,016
Speaker 5: Yeah, no question.

924
00:40:16,136 --> 00:40:19,256
Speaker 6: And you know the key for them is Drake May

925
00:40:19,256 --> 00:40:23,016
Speaker 6: and limiting those turnovers. The Patriots have had five giveaways

926
00:40:23,056 --> 00:40:25,816
Speaker 6: in these two playoff games. You're not gonna keep winning

927
00:40:25,856 --> 00:40:27,776
Speaker 6: like that. Now they have to go on the road

928
00:40:27,816 --> 00:40:30,536
Speaker 6: play in Denver. You know, don't just assume that just

929
00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:32,536
Speaker 6: you know, just because Jared Stidham is playing that the

930
00:40:32,536 --> 00:40:34,576
Speaker 6: Broncos are going to lay down and it's not going

931
00:40:34,656 --> 00:40:35,136
Speaker 6: to be a game.

932
00:40:35,216 --> 00:40:36,616
Speaker 5: Sean Payton's a heck of a coach.

933
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:39,736
Speaker 6: He's got eight days to get Jared Stidham prepared and

934
00:40:40,136 --> 00:40:42,376
Speaker 6: he's gonna have a good game plan ready. If the

935
00:40:42,376 --> 00:40:45,176
Speaker 6: Broncos can, you know, run the ball and avoid those

936
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:47,216
Speaker 6: turnovers and play defense, it's going to be very tough

937
00:40:47,256 --> 00:40:50,696
Speaker 6: sledding for the Patriots. So that turnover margin is huge.

938
00:40:50,696 --> 00:40:53,376
Speaker 6: The Patriots have to avoid them. Drake May all those

939
00:40:53,416 --> 00:40:56,056
Speaker 6: fumbles I think six in the postseason, He's got to

940
00:40:56,096 --> 00:40:58,576
Speaker 6: clean that up big time. And the Patriots have to

941
00:40:58,576 --> 00:41:01,096
Speaker 6: to keep the pressure on the quarterback. They blitzed the

942
00:41:01,136 --> 00:41:03,696
Speaker 6: heck out of CJ. Stroud I think thirty six thirty

943
00:41:03,696 --> 00:41:06,056
Speaker 6: eight percent of the time, which was more than what

944
00:41:06,096 --> 00:41:07,936
Speaker 6: they did during the season. So I think they've got

945
00:41:07,936 --> 00:41:10,256
Speaker 6: to go after Stindham, put the pressure on him to

946
00:41:10,296 --> 00:41:12,976
Speaker 6: make the right decisions, and they got to force the

947
00:41:12,976 --> 00:41:15,576
Speaker 6: ball out to, you know, to make sure that they

948
00:41:15,576 --> 00:41:17,576
Speaker 6: come away with the victory. But I think it really

949
00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:19,856
Speaker 6: starts on the offensive side and Drake May being cleaner

950
00:41:19,896 --> 00:41:21,096
Speaker 6: with the football.

951
00:41:21,056 --> 00:41:22,976
Speaker 5: And I think Josh McDaniels has to move the pocket

952
00:41:22,976 --> 00:41:24,576
Speaker 5: a little bit more. He wasn't doing that. It's on

953
00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:26,816
Speaker 5: the other night and Drake May felt like a sitting

954
00:41:26,896 --> 00:41:27,576
Speaker 5: duck there.

955
00:41:27,376 --> 00:41:30,536
Speaker 6: For Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter. So I think they've

956
00:41:30,536 --> 00:41:32,016
Speaker 6: got to get Drake May on the run a little

957
00:41:32,016 --> 00:41:33,576
Speaker 6: bit more and let him use his feet to loosen

958
00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:34,696
Speaker 6: up that Broncos defense.

959
00:41:34,936 --> 00:41:36,896
Speaker 4: All right, pivoting a little bit, but was still within

960
00:41:36,936 --> 00:41:39,816
Speaker 4: the conference. I think you wrote an article about Sean McDermott.

961
00:41:39,856 --> 00:41:42,256
Speaker 4: He didn't feel like he should be fired. Can you

962
00:41:42,336 --> 00:41:46,096
Speaker 4: talk about his departure from the Bills and what that

963
00:41:46,216 --> 00:41:46,576
Speaker 4: was about.

964
00:41:46,896 --> 00:41:48,736
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a surprise to me. I was just

965
00:41:48,776 --> 00:41:51,176
Speaker 5: in the press box on Sunday in New England talking

966
00:41:51,216 --> 00:41:53,576
Speaker 5: to someone. How you know of the Bills issued this

967
00:41:53,656 --> 00:41:55,256
Speaker 5: year if they lost that you know when they lost

968
00:41:55,256 --> 00:41:57,856
Speaker 5: that game. Like, to me, coaching wasn't the issue this year.

969
00:41:57,896 --> 00:42:00,296
Speaker 5: It was talent and it was the quarterback who gets

970
00:42:00,296 --> 00:42:02,576
Speaker 5: a little sloppy with the football at times. And the Bills.

971
00:42:02,616 --> 00:42:04,536
Speaker 6: You know, they lost the turnover battle five to one

972
00:42:04,576 --> 00:42:06,616
Speaker 6: the other day and Josh Allen was a.

973
00:42:06,536 --> 00:42:07,256
Speaker 5: Big part of that.

974
00:42:07,536 --> 00:42:10,296
Speaker 6: And to me, they didn't have the right talent around

975
00:42:10,376 --> 00:42:12,656
Speaker 6: Josh Allen on offense. I mean they go out and

976
00:42:12,656 --> 00:42:15,496
Speaker 6: get Granny Cooks at the end of the season, the

977
00:42:15,536 --> 00:42:17,856
Speaker 6: one guy with speed, and they plug him in and

978
00:42:17,896 --> 00:42:20,576
Speaker 6: instantly he's their most productive receiver. So I just think

979
00:42:20,576 --> 00:42:23,976
Speaker 6: they had a very plotting, slow kind of offense around

980
00:42:24,016 --> 00:42:27,216
Speaker 6: Josh Allen. And like I thought in the past, Sean

981
00:42:27,296 --> 00:42:29,616
Speaker 6: McDermott deserve to be fired when they kept coming up

982
00:42:29,656 --> 00:42:31,376
Speaker 6: short against the Chiefs and with some of his.

983
00:42:31,336 --> 00:42:34,616
Speaker 5: Bad situational football. This year, I thought his coaching was fine.

984
00:42:34,616 --> 00:42:37,696
Speaker 6: I thought it was the roster construction and the quarterback

985
00:42:38,096 --> 00:42:40,496
Speaker 6: who held the team back at times. I mean, obviously

986
00:42:40,616 --> 00:42:43,096
Speaker 6: Josh Allen's incredible. I'm not saying he holds the franchise back,

987
00:42:43,136 --> 00:42:45,576
Speaker 6: but in these games where they lost, he was a little.

988
00:42:45,336 --> 00:42:48,136
Speaker 5: Sloppy with the football and they didn't score many points.

989
00:42:48,216 --> 00:42:50,736
Speaker 6: And you know, so I guess the owner just wants

990
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,736
Speaker 6: to chan, you know, a new change after nine years

991
00:42:52,856 --> 00:42:56,096
Speaker 6: and new stadium coming next year. But of all the

992
00:42:56,136 --> 00:42:58,336
Speaker 6: years to fire Sean McDermott, to me, this wasn't it.

993
00:42:58,776 --> 00:43:00,016
Speaker 6: He wasn't the problem this year.

994
00:43:00,176 --> 00:43:00,776
Speaker 5: I thought it was.

995
00:43:00,736 --> 00:43:04,176
Speaker 6: More on the general manager and the roster construction and

996
00:43:04,216 --> 00:43:06,736
Speaker 6: lo and behold the GM with more power out of this.

997
00:43:06,896 --> 00:43:09,696
Speaker 6: So I guess the owner disagrees with my assessment. But

998
00:43:10,096 --> 00:43:12,136
Speaker 6: I did not think McDermott was the issue this year.

999
00:43:12,176 --> 00:43:13,976
Speaker 6: And he's gonna get one of these jobs and he's

1000
00:43:13,976 --> 00:43:16,336
Speaker 6: gonna be a good culture builder for you know, whichever

1001
00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:17,096
Speaker 6: team hires him.

1002
00:43:17,296 --> 00:43:18,976
Speaker 4: What do you think the threshold was then?

1003
00:43:19,016 --> 00:43:21,216
Speaker 1: Do you think if they win this, they lose the

1004
00:43:21,296 --> 00:43:23,656
Speaker 1: NFCY Championship or they lose the Super Bowl? Like, do

1005
00:43:23,696 --> 00:43:24,976
Speaker 1: you think there was a way for him to keep

1006
00:43:24,976 --> 00:43:26,776
Speaker 1: his job other than winning just the Super Bowl?

1007
00:43:26,976 --> 00:43:28,936
Speaker 5: Well, getting there I think probably would have done it.

1008
00:43:29,696 --> 00:43:29,936
Speaker 5: You know.

1009
00:43:30,336 --> 00:43:32,856
Speaker 6: I assume if you're Terry Pagoola, you're looking at it

1010
00:43:32,936 --> 00:43:35,736
Speaker 6: like this is the one year that Patrick Mahomes wasn't

1011
00:43:35,776 --> 00:43:37,776
Speaker 6: in our way and we still couldn't get it done.

1012
00:43:38,456 --> 00:43:40,656
Speaker 6: But again, I don't put that on McDermott. I don't

1013
00:43:40,696 --> 00:43:43,696
Speaker 6: think he coached the Bills out of wins this year.

1014
00:43:43,736 --> 00:43:46,616
Speaker 6: I think it was the team was flawed, you know,

1015
00:43:46,896 --> 00:43:50,256
Speaker 6: like especially on offense. They didn't have the right personnel

1016
00:43:50,376 --> 00:43:51,336
Speaker 6: around Josh Allen.

1017
00:43:51,536 --> 00:43:53,896
Speaker 5: So yeah, I.

1018
00:43:53,816 --> 00:43:56,816
Speaker 6: Can't say like what McDermott needed to do. I don't know.

1019
00:43:56,856 --> 00:43:59,016
Speaker 6: I'm not inside Terry Pegoola's head. I don't know if

1020
00:43:59,416 --> 00:44:01,896
Speaker 6: getting into an AFC Championship game this week would have

1021
00:44:01,936 --> 00:44:05,136
Speaker 6: been enough to say McDermott's job. But I don't see

1022
00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:08,656
Speaker 6: their failures this year as McDermott's problem. So you know,

1023
00:44:08,856 --> 00:44:12,016
Speaker 6: he has had nine seasons there and obviously had a

1024
00:44:12,136 --> 00:44:15,576
Speaker 6: very good run, and they didn't have success and so

1025
00:44:15,616 --> 00:44:17,416
Speaker 6: they did keep coming up short timing again. So I

1026
00:44:17,536 --> 00:44:20,536
Speaker 6: understand wanting to, you know, change course at head coach,

1027
00:44:20,656 --> 00:44:22,896
Speaker 6: but this does feel like you're doing it just for

1028
00:44:22,936 --> 00:44:25,216
Speaker 6: the sake of doing it, and so God speed finding

1029
00:44:25,296 --> 00:44:26,136
Speaker 6: you know the right guy.

1030
00:44:26,456 --> 00:44:27,336
Speaker 5: It worked for the Bucks.

1031
00:44:27,376 --> 00:44:30,056
Speaker 6: They got rid of Tony Dungee, John Gruden got them

1032
00:44:30,096 --> 00:44:32,296
Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl. So maybe the next guy can

1033
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:35,176
Speaker 6: take Josh Allen over the top. Maybe it's Brian Dable.

1034
00:44:35,256 --> 00:44:38,016
Speaker 6: Everyone loves him back there. He's a great quarterbacks coach

1035
00:44:38,056 --> 00:44:39,816
Speaker 6: for Josh Allen. I think to me that makes a

1036
00:44:39,816 --> 00:44:42,296
Speaker 6: lot of sense bringing an offensive guy now to work

1037
00:44:42,336 --> 00:44:45,256
Speaker 6: with Josh Allen. But good luck to the Bills because

1038
00:44:45,296 --> 00:44:46,896
Speaker 6: I think they did have a pretty good head coach

1039
00:44:46,936 --> 00:44:47,976
Speaker 6: there in Sean McDermott.

1040
00:44:48,056 --> 00:44:51,056
Speaker 4: Would you say that the Bill's job then, whoever their

1041
00:44:51,056 --> 00:44:53,096
Speaker 4: next hire is probably is a job that has the

1042
00:44:53,096 --> 00:44:55,176
Speaker 4: most pressure on it. To win and now, especially with

1043
00:44:55,216 --> 00:44:56,896
Speaker 4: that type of standard being set.

1044
00:44:57,856 --> 00:44:59,096
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree with that.

1045
00:44:59,336 --> 00:45:01,056
Speaker 6: I don't think it's you know, he'll probably get a

1046
00:45:01,056 --> 00:45:04,296
Speaker 6: little bit of a runway, but Josh Allen's not getting younger,

1047
00:45:04,376 --> 00:45:07,056
Speaker 6: and I know these quarterback you play for a while now,

1048
00:45:07,096 --> 00:45:10,576
Speaker 6: but he's turning thirty and so this is your prime,

1049
00:45:10,656 --> 00:45:12,456
Speaker 6: Josh Allen, and you haven't even been to a super

1050
00:45:12,496 --> 00:45:14,056
Speaker 6: Bowl yet, So yes, there's gonna be a lot of

1051
00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:16,776
Speaker 6: it is the best job because who wouldn't want to

1052
00:45:16,776 --> 00:45:19,696
Speaker 6: coach Josh Allen? And I think you're guaranteed to at

1053
00:45:19,776 --> 00:45:22,336
Speaker 6: least be in the divisional round when you take that job.

1054
00:45:22,416 --> 00:45:24,896
Speaker 6: But no question, is the job with the most pressure

1055
00:45:25,976 --> 00:45:27,816
Speaker 6: them in the Ravens. I think the Ravens job will

1056
00:45:27,816 --> 00:45:30,136
Speaker 6: come with some pressure too, because for same reasons you

1057
00:45:30,176 --> 00:45:33,336
Speaker 6: have Lamar Jackson, a former MVP still in his prime.

1058
00:45:33,936 --> 00:45:35,136
Speaker 5: It's amazing these jobs.

1059
00:45:35,216 --> 00:45:37,376
Speaker 6: You know, you have the Steelers job on top of it,

1060
00:45:38,016 --> 00:45:39,976
Speaker 6: three premier jobs open.

1061
00:45:39,936 --> 00:45:40,576
Speaker 5: You know at once.

1062
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:43,576
Speaker 6: Is not something I had on my Bengo card this offseason.

1063
00:45:43,696 --> 00:45:46,456
Speaker 6: But definitely that Bill's job will come with a lot

1064
00:45:46,496 --> 00:45:48,816
Speaker 6: of pressure, but the type of pressure that I think

1065
00:45:48,856 --> 00:45:50,656
Speaker 6: a bunch of coaches would gladly sign.

1066
00:45:50,536 --> 00:45:50,736
Speaker 4: Up for.

1067
00:46:05,736 --> 00:46:08,496
Speaker 1: Now. We're recording us on Tuesday afternoon, so a million

1068
00:46:08,576 --> 00:46:10,936
Speaker 1: things can happen between now and when this gets put

1069
00:46:10,976 --> 00:46:13,856
Speaker 1: out a few hours later. But if you were to

1070
00:46:13,896 --> 00:46:16,936
Speaker 1: have to assign a coach you mentioned Abil, but judge,

1071
00:46:16,976 --> 00:46:18,056
Speaker 1: like who else is in the mixing?

1072
00:46:18,016 --> 00:46:20,856
Speaker 6: In Buffalo, NFL teams like they always go for the

1073
00:46:20,896 --> 00:46:22,136
Speaker 6: opposite of what they just had.

1074
00:46:22,176 --> 00:46:24,896
Speaker 5: So the Bills, coming from a defensive organization.

1075
00:46:24,576 --> 00:46:27,216
Speaker 6: I would think they lean more towards the offensive side,

1076
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,096
Speaker 6: wanting to get one of these you know, young coordinators

1077
00:46:30,656 --> 00:46:33,616
Speaker 6: to coach up Josh Allen, And to me, that's that's

1078
00:46:33,616 --> 00:46:36,016
Speaker 6: a smarter way to go, just because you're ensuring that

1079
00:46:36,056 --> 00:46:38,136
Speaker 6: you're gonna have continuity on offense. If you have a

1080
00:46:38,216 --> 00:46:41,816
Speaker 6: defensive coach, that offensive coordinator, if he has any success,

1081
00:46:41,816 --> 00:46:42,976
Speaker 6: he's gonna get plucked away.

1082
00:46:42,856 --> 00:46:44,296
Speaker 5: By another team to be a head coach.

1083
00:46:44,416 --> 00:46:47,576
Speaker 6: So I'm a big proponent of the head coach as

1084
00:46:47,656 --> 00:46:50,296
Speaker 6: also the offensive guy, just to ensure that you're not

1085
00:46:50,336 --> 00:46:52,016
Speaker 6: gonna or you're gonna have.

1086
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:56,376
Speaker 5: That consistency year after year. And with McDermott and the

1087
00:46:56,416 --> 00:46:57,056
Speaker 5: Bills lived it.

1088
00:46:57,056 --> 00:47:01,936
Speaker 6: They had I think three different offensive coordinators during Allen's tenure, so.

1089
00:47:03,776 --> 00:47:05,376
Speaker 5: You know, dable to me makes too much sense.

1090
00:47:05,496 --> 00:47:07,656
Speaker 6: He's from there, He's from just over the Canada side

1091
00:47:07,656 --> 00:47:10,216
Speaker 6: of the border there in Buffalo, and he was he

1092
00:47:10,256 --> 00:47:11,936
Speaker 6: got the most out of Josh Allen. He's the one

1093
00:47:11,936 --> 00:47:14,416
Speaker 6: who really turned him around, got his career going, and

1094
00:47:14,696 --> 00:47:17,176
Speaker 6: his tables beloved there. So to me, that makes a

1095
00:47:17,176 --> 00:47:18,976
Speaker 6: lot of sense. I know Rex Ryan was pushing for

1096
00:47:18,976 --> 00:47:21,896
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick to join him there. I don't expect that

1097
00:47:22,016 --> 00:47:25,056
Speaker 6: to happen, but I guess you never know. With Terry Pagoola,

1098
00:47:25,096 --> 00:47:28,376
Speaker 6: that would certainly be a home run or an interesting hire,

1099
00:47:28,416 --> 00:47:30,936
Speaker 6: I guess. But I would just think that the Bills

1100
00:47:30,976 --> 00:47:33,616
Speaker 6: go offense just to find someone who could really maximize

1101
00:47:33,936 --> 00:47:35,456
Speaker 6: the prime years of Josh Allen.

1102
00:47:35,656 --> 00:47:37,376
Speaker 4: All Right, I got to jump over to the NFC

1103
00:47:37,496 --> 00:47:40,816
Speaker 4: side talk about this Ram Seattle game. What are your

1104
00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:43,536
Speaker 4: thoughts going into this game? Obviously it's their third meeting

1105
00:47:43,896 --> 00:47:48,176
Speaker 4: and both of the first two matchups were close, close games.

1106
00:47:48,216 --> 00:47:50,696
Speaker 6: Yeah, epic games, and I feel like this one might

1107
00:47:50,736 --> 00:47:53,256
Speaker 6: be as well. My first thought is that the Seahawks

1108
00:47:53,296 --> 00:47:56,216
Speaker 6: really have the rest benefit. I think they get an

1109
00:47:56,256 --> 00:47:58,096
Speaker 6: extra day of rest from the RAM. You know, the

1110
00:47:58,136 --> 00:48:00,376
Speaker 6: Rams played Sunday night in Chicago. They got to fly

1111
00:48:00,496 --> 00:48:02,936
Speaker 6: back and then go out to Seattle, which isn't a

1112
00:48:02,976 --> 00:48:05,936
Speaker 6: long trip, but the Seahawks will be the more arrested team,

1113
00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:08,696
Speaker 6: especially coming off the buye as well. And man, the

1114
00:48:08,696 --> 00:48:11,576
Speaker 6: Seahawks have just been blowing doors off their opponents lately.

1115
00:48:11,576 --> 00:48:14,416
Speaker 6: Their defense is flying around like you know, the days

1116
00:48:14,416 --> 00:48:18,936
Speaker 6: of old, and their offense looks really solid as well.

1117
00:48:19,416 --> 00:48:21,776
Speaker 6: Sam Donald doesn't have to do too much. That's kind

1118
00:48:21,776 --> 00:48:24,616
Speaker 6: of their their formula. As long as Sam Donald only

1119
00:48:24,656 --> 00:48:27,176
Speaker 6: has to throw seventeen passes a game, I think that's perfect.

1120
00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:29,496
Speaker 6: You know that said, I think the Rams are like

1121
00:48:29,536 --> 00:48:31,336
Speaker 6: the one team you do not want to see coming

1122
00:48:31,376 --> 00:48:34,456
Speaker 6: into Seattle if you're the Seahawks, like a division opponent

1123
00:48:34,776 --> 00:48:37,816
Speaker 6: who's not afraid of you, who's pretty ticked off away

1124
00:48:37,896 --> 00:48:41,176
Speaker 6: about the way the last game ended with that crazy

1125
00:48:41,336 --> 00:48:45,656
Speaker 6: overtime game or whatever it was. Stafford's got great experience,

1126
00:48:45,656 --> 00:48:48,576
Speaker 6: Sean McVay great experience. Like I think it's gonna be

1127
00:48:48,776 --> 00:48:52,816
Speaker 6: another tight, tight game, you know, two great.

1128
00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:53,616
Speaker 5: Rivals going at it.

1129
00:48:53,936 --> 00:48:56,296
Speaker 6: I view both of those teams as probably the two

1130
00:48:56,296 --> 00:48:59,976
Speaker 6: stronger teams remaining, and whoever wins, i'd probably expect them

1131
00:48:59,976 --> 00:49:03,696
Speaker 6: to win the Super Bowl, but that's gonna be a real,

1132
00:49:03,856 --> 00:49:06,056
Speaker 6: like black and blue kind of game on Sunday, which

1133
00:49:06,096 --> 00:49:08,856
Speaker 6: the Rams just proved they can win going into Chicago

1134
00:49:08,936 --> 00:49:10,856
Speaker 6: and winning in the cold there. I think that was

1135
00:49:10,896 --> 00:49:14,176
Speaker 6: a real important win for the Rams, who struggled, you know,

1136
00:49:14,296 --> 00:49:16,936
Speaker 6: in elements and have looked I think a little soft

1137
00:49:16,976 --> 00:49:18,616
Speaker 6: over the last few years. So that was they come

1138
00:49:18,616 --> 00:49:21,176
Speaker 6: off a really strong win in Chicago, and now they're

1139
00:49:21,216 --> 00:49:23,376
Speaker 6: gonna be galvanised going into Seattle. So that's gonna be

1140
00:49:23,456 --> 00:49:26,216
Speaker 6: a really, really good game. I think I'm I might

1141
00:49:26,216 --> 00:49:28,536
Speaker 6: take the Rams in an upset just because I like

1142
00:49:28,576 --> 00:49:31,776
Speaker 6: Stafford over Donald, but that's gonna be a really fun

1143
00:49:31,816 --> 00:49:32,616
Speaker 6: game on Sunday.

1144
00:49:32,896 --> 00:49:35,176
Speaker 1: He's something else that you just mentioned where you're talking

1145
00:49:35,176 --> 00:49:37,856
Speaker 1: about coaches coming in and you know you want it

1146
00:49:37,936 --> 00:49:39,496
Speaker 1: to be an offensive guy, especially if you've got a

1147
00:49:39,536 --> 00:49:43,736
Speaker 1: quarterback that you're building behind. We live in Nashville. We

1148
00:49:43,936 --> 00:49:46,496
Speaker 1: just we like I'm on the team. But the Titans

1149
00:49:46,496 --> 00:49:49,456
Speaker 1: just hired sala as the coach. Defensive guy. But they

1150
00:49:49,456 --> 00:49:51,815
Speaker 1: have you know, Cam Wore going into a second year.

1151
00:49:52,416 --> 00:49:54,976
Speaker 1: But you're right, like, you bring in a defensive guy

1152
00:49:55,136 --> 00:49:57,376
Speaker 1: and any sort of offensive success is going to lead

1153
00:49:57,376 --> 00:50:00,216
Speaker 1: to that coordinator being plucked to somewhere else. Why would

1154
00:50:00,256 --> 00:50:04,176
Speaker 1: they go with a Sala here, That's.

1155
00:50:04,056 --> 00:50:04,696
Speaker 5: A great question.

1156
00:50:04,896 --> 00:50:07,216
Speaker 6: I did think they would go offense, but to my point,

1157
00:50:07,256 --> 00:50:09,616
Speaker 6: before you know they went, they did the opposite.

1158
00:50:09,656 --> 00:50:12,416
Speaker 5: They had a first time offensive coach and Brian Callahan.

1159
00:50:12,456 --> 00:50:15,616
Speaker 6: Now they go to and experienced defensive coach in sala

1160
00:50:15,856 --> 00:50:17,696
Speaker 6: You always see that with these teams, they just hire

1161
00:50:17,936 --> 00:50:20,496
Speaker 6: the opposite of what they just had. Yeah, I think

1162
00:50:20,576 --> 00:50:22,656
Speaker 6: Robert Salad is someone that they view as you know,

1163
00:50:22,816 --> 00:50:25,216
Speaker 6: got a bad shake in New York and never really

1164
00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:28,096
Speaker 6: had a quarterback, and that team is just dysfunctional and

1165
00:50:28,136 --> 00:50:32,136
Speaker 6: swallows up good coaches. And you know, I don't mind

1166
00:50:32,256 --> 00:50:34,136
Speaker 6: a coach. You didn't have a great record the first time.

1167
00:50:34,176 --> 00:50:37,496
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick didn't either in Cleveland. You learned from your mistakes.

1168
00:50:38,456 --> 00:50:38,616
Speaker 5: You know.

1169
00:50:38,656 --> 00:50:41,536
Speaker 6: The quarterback situation, I think is so is such a

1170
00:50:41,576 --> 00:50:44,216
Speaker 6: big factor in how well a coach does. I guess

1171
00:50:44,256 --> 00:50:46,976
Speaker 6: the one the one thing I can think of though,

1172
00:50:47,176 --> 00:50:49,616
Speaker 6: is you know, when you're getting solid and he's coming

1173
00:50:49,616 --> 00:50:51,536
Speaker 6: from the forty nine ers, I would assume the plan

1174
00:50:52,056 --> 00:50:55,136
Speaker 6: is for him to bring a Kyle Shanahan coach and

1175
00:50:55,176 --> 00:50:59,736
Speaker 6: bring that scheme to Nashville, you know, install that offense,

1176
00:50:59,736 --> 00:51:01,896
Speaker 6: which I think has been a really good offense for

1177
00:51:01,936 --> 00:51:04,216
Speaker 6: a lot of young quarterbacks and it's kind of the

1178
00:51:04,216 --> 00:51:07,736
Speaker 6: hot offense around the league. So that's my guess is

1179
00:51:07,736 --> 00:51:10,336
Speaker 6: that they liked Sala, you know, as a culture builder

1180
00:51:10,536 --> 00:51:12,856
Speaker 6: and as an experience coach, and that he has a

1181
00:51:12,896 --> 00:51:16,016
Speaker 6: plan to bring along someone from the forty nine ers,

1182
00:51:16,056 --> 00:51:18,296
Speaker 6: from the Kyle Shanahan tree to go run that offense

1183
00:51:18,336 --> 00:51:20,536
Speaker 6: and get the most out of cam Ward. And we've

1184
00:51:20,536 --> 00:51:22,656
Speaker 6: seen quarterbacks take a big jump from year one to

1185
00:51:22,736 --> 00:51:25,496
Speaker 6: year two. Drake May is a great example.

1186
00:51:26,336 --> 00:51:26,815
Speaker 5: Cam Ward.

1187
00:51:26,856 --> 00:51:28,456
Speaker 6: I don't think I got great coaching this year, not

1188
00:51:28,496 --> 00:51:30,256
Speaker 6: that I was on the inside, but that team just

1189
00:51:30,296 --> 00:51:34,216
Speaker 6: looked very dysfunctional this year. So you bring in Sala,

1190
00:51:34,336 --> 00:51:37,696
Speaker 6: and I guess maybe the forty nine ers offense and

1191
00:51:37,736 --> 00:51:39,696
Speaker 6: maybe that's a team that can turn things around. But

1192
00:51:39,976 --> 00:51:43,576
Speaker 6: you know, the Titans have not made great decisions organizationally

1193
00:51:43,616 --> 00:51:45,296
Speaker 6: the last few years. That they had a pretty good

1194
00:51:45,296 --> 00:51:47,456
Speaker 6: setup with Rabel and John Robinson for a while and

1195
00:51:47,496 --> 00:51:49,856
Speaker 6: it's been a lot of moving parts since then.

1196
00:51:50,016 --> 00:51:52,696
Speaker 5: So we'll see if they've found the right mix this time.

1197
00:51:53,216 --> 00:51:55,696
Speaker 4: All Right, I know that you're an AP voter, So

1198
00:51:55,816 --> 00:51:57,776
Speaker 4: like the big awards at the end of the season,

1199
00:51:57,896 --> 00:52:00,336
Speaker 4: Number one, who's your MVP And what's the criteria that

1200
00:52:00,376 --> 00:52:02,496
Speaker 4: you base that off of? Not just because you cover

1201
00:52:02,576 --> 00:52:03,456
Speaker 4: the Patriots.

1202
00:52:04,096 --> 00:52:05,976
Speaker 6: I mean they asked me not, They asked me not

1203
00:52:06,096 --> 00:52:08,576
Speaker 6: to reveal it before it's uh, give us just.

1204
00:52:08,536 --> 00:52:10,256
Speaker 4: A wink, give us a wink.

1205
00:52:10,576 --> 00:52:12,176
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you so I have.

1206
00:52:12,456 --> 00:52:14,576
Speaker 6: So for eight you also get to vote for the

1207
00:52:14,616 --> 00:52:18,416
Speaker 6: All Pro teams, and those were announced and I voted

1208
00:52:18,416 --> 00:52:21,336
Speaker 6: for Drake May for first team All Pro and Stafford

1209
00:52:21,376 --> 00:52:25,216
Speaker 6: for second team. It's very close. Both had excellent seasons.

1210
00:52:25,736 --> 00:52:29,096
Speaker 6: I guess I'm a Boston Homer, but I just thought

1211
00:52:29,496 --> 00:52:32,176
Speaker 6: most of the stats other than like raw passing yards

1212
00:52:32,176 --> 00:52:35,576
Speaker 6: and raw touchdowns obviously were in Stafford's favor, but every

1213
00:52:35,576 --> 00:52:39,256
Speaker 6: other stat analytic was in Drake May's favor. The completion

1214
00:52:39,376 --> 00:52:43,376
Speaker 6: percentage and specifically the completion percentage on top of his

1215
00:52:43,536 --> 00:52:45,616
Speaker 6: yards per attempt, like he was pushing the ball down

1216
00:52:45,616 --> 00:52:48,056
Speaker 6: field and still completing a very high rate of passes.

1217
00:52:48,776 --> 00:52:50,736
Speaker 5: The record was better. He won his division.

1218
00:52:52,136 --> 00:52:54,216
Speaker 6: You know, I know, the schedules not apples to apples,

1219
00:52:54,256 --> 00:52:58,376
Speaker 6: but you know, like the advanced analytics like the expected

1220
00:52:58,416 --> 00:53:01,856
Speaker 6: points added, all that stuff like Drake like Blue Stafford away.

1221
00:53:02,496 --> 00:53:04,936
Speaker 6: And the one stat that I did find I looked

1222
00:53:04,936 --> 00:53:07,696
Speaker 6: at down passes from the two yard line or closer.

1223
00:53:08,176 --> 00:53:10,376
Speaker 6: Stafford led the league with eleven and no one else

1224
00:53:10,416 --> 00:53:12,216
Speaker 6: had more than five. So to me, that's like a

1225
00:53:12,256 --> 00:53:13,896
Speaker 6: little bit of stat padding. They get down to the

1226
00:53:13,896 --> 00:53:16,776
Speaker 6: goal line and they get Stafford his touchdown passes. So

1227
00:53:17,856 --> 00:53:20,496
Speaker 6: but I value team success, and Drake went fourteen to three,

1228
00:53:20,656 --> 00:53:24,256
Speaker 6: huge turnaround won the AFC East. To me, I view

1229
00:53:24,376 --> 00:53:26,776
Speaker 6: wins as a quarterback stat I think the quarterback is

1230
00:53:27,296 --> 00:53:30,496
Speaker 6: very directly involved in a team success. So Drake had great,

1231
00:53:30,616 --> 00:53:33,096
Speaker 6: great numbers, great success, and so that's why I've voted

1232
00:53:33,096 --> 00:53:34,176
Speaker 6: for him for First Team All Pro.

1233
00:53:34,616 --> 00:53:36,296
Speaker 1: One final question, I know you spent a lot of

1234
00:53:36,296 --> 00:53:38,136
Speaker 1: time with the Gators. Can you give me a epic

1235
00:53:38,136 --> 00:53:39,016
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow story.

1236
00:53:41,096 --> 00:53:41,696
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.

1237
00:53:41,816 --> 00:53:44,936
Speaker 6: I loved t Bow because he was pretty down to

1238
00:53:44,976 --> 00:53:48,216
Speaker 6: earth for he was huge when I covered him his

1239
00:53:48,296 --> 00:53:50,256
Speaker 6: junior and senior year of college. I mean, the guy

1240
00:53:50,296 --> 00:53:52,816
Speaker 6: was a rock star, especially in the South, like in

1241
00:53:52,856 --> 00:53:54,976
Speaker 6: the SEC. He could not go anywhere. It was like

1242
00:53:55,016 --> 00:53:58,296
Speaker 6: living totally in a fishbowl. Environment for him, and so

1243
00:53:58,416 --> 00:54:01,256
Speaker 6: many strains on his time between media. You know, ESPN

1244
00:54:01,296 --> 00:54:03,616
Speaker 6: always wants a piece of him, and then he's always

1245
00:54:03,696 --> 00:54:06,296
Speaker 6: doing community work and church work and things like that,

1246
00:54:06,416 --> 00:54:11,336
Speaker 6: missionary work. Like the guy always had people pulling him

1247
00:54:11,576 --> 00:54:14,056
Speaker 6: a million different directions, but he he didn't.

1248
00:54:14,136 --> 00:54:15,056
Speaker 5: Learned everyone's name.

1249
00:54:15,096 --> 00:54:18,376
Speaker 6: He was very genuine, And when he got to the Patriots,

1250
00:54:18,416 --> 00:54:20,856
Speaker 6: there was like he just tried out in preseason. He

1251
00:54:20,896 --> 00:54:23,376
Speaker 6: got cut, but it was a third preseason game We're

1252
00:54:23,376 --> 00:54:26,616
Speaker 6: in Detroit. He didn't play. So we went to him

1253
00:54:26,656 --> 00:54:28,576
Speaker 6: after the game and said he didn't play, are you

1254
00:54:28,616 --> 00:54:29,536
Speaker 6: worried about getting cut?

1255
00:54:29,536 --> 00:54:31,096
Speaker 5: And whatever? Blah blah blah.

1256
00:54:31,136 --> 00:54:33,656
Speaker 6: And after the interview ends, he like, I turned to

1257
00:54:33,696 --> 00:54:35,696
Speaker 6: walk away and someone grabs me by the shoulder and

1258
00:54:35,696 --> 00:54:37,576
Speaker 6: I turned around and it's Tim and he goes, Ben,

1259
00:54:37,696 --> 00:54:39,816
Speaker 6: what's up, man? Like, how you doing? How long you've

1260
00:54:39,816 --> 00:54:42,816
Speaker 6: been in Boston? Like this is so cool, And I, frankly,

1261
00:54:42,856 --> 00:54:45,176
Speaker 6: I didn't even know that he even remembered who I was.

1262
00:54:45,576 --> 00:54:47,176
Speaker 6: So he was just always thought he was a very

1263
00:54:47,256 --> 00:54:49,976
Speaker 6: genuine guy. And I thought he didn't get a good

1264
00:54:50,016 --> 00:54:52,456
Speaker 6: enough chance. I thought, you know, through for three hundred

1265
00:54:52,536 --> 00:54:55,696
Speaker 6: yards in a playoff game, against the Steelers, like Tebow

1266
00:54:55,776 --> 00:54:58,296
Speaker 6: deserved more of a chance in the NFL, But I

1267
00:54:58,296 --> 00:54:59,896
Speaker 6: always thought he was a pretty genuine guy.

1268
00:55:00,056 --> 00:55:03,376
Speaker 4: Who's your favorite Patriot that you've covered since covering the team?

1269
00:55:03,496 --> 00:55:07,056
Speaker 5: I mean everyone, it's always like Slater and McCarty.

1270
00:55:07,136 --> 00:55:10,056
Speaker 6: Everyone always says those two because they're such And that's

1271
00:55:11,536 --> 00:55:14,496
Speaker 6: Devin mccordy and and Matthew Slater just the.

1272
00:55:14,616 --> 00:55:15,335
Speaker 5: Salt of the earth.

1273
00:55:15,416 --> 00:55:19,056
Speaker 6: Guys, great team leaders, you know, voice of the locker room,

1274
00:55:19,096 --> 00:55:23,056
Speaker 6: always there too whenever things didn't go right to you know,

1275
00:55:23,336 --> 00:55:25,496
Speaker 6: speak for the team. And Slater was such a great

1276
00:55:25,936 --> 00:55:27,896
Speaker 6: guy to talk to you because he on special teams

1277
00:55:27,896 --> 00:55:30,896
Speaker 6: dealt with so many of the you know, younger players

1278
00:55:30,896 --> 00:55:32,976
Speaker 6: and guys who were struggling. So I loved, you know,

1279
00:55:33,016 --> 00:55:36,855
Speaker 6: Devin mccordy and Matthew Slater. Martell's Bennett was always a trip.

1280
00:55:36,936 --> 00:55:40,896
Speaker 6: You never wanted to miss a Martell's Bennett press conference.

1281
00:55:41,216 --> 00:55:42,376
Speaker 5: And I love drunk Man.

1282
00:55:42,496 --> 00:55:44,776
Speaker 6: I was the same things that what I said about Tibo,

1283
00:55:44,896 --> 00:55:48,936
Speaker 6: same thing about Dronk. Very genuine guy for as big

1284
00:55:48,976 --> 00:55:51,616
Speaker 6: and popular as he was. You know, I love the

1285
00:55:51,616 --> 00:55:53,656
Speaker 6: fact that he was always going did a lot of

1286
00:55:53,736 --> 00:55:56,656
Speaker 6: community work on tuesdays going to children's hospitals and stuff,

1287
00:55:56,936 --> 00:55:58,576
Speaker 6: and the guy like when he got to Tampa, I

1288
00:55:58,616 --> 00:56:00,376
Speaker 6: went down there to write on him. I didn't know

1289
00:56:00,376 --> 00:56:02,896
Speaker 6: if he knew my name. Gets out of his golf cart, Ben,

1290
00:56:02,976 --> 00:56:03,456
Speaker 6: what's up man?

1291
00:56:03,496 --> 00:56:04,736
Speaker 5: How you doing? What do you need? And gave me

1292
00:56:04,776 --> 00:56:05,816
Speaker 5: like a ten minute interview.

1293
00:56:05,896 --> 00:56:09,016
Speaker 6: Like Gronk was always a very genuine guy, never got

1294
00:56:09,016 --> 00:56:11,776
Speaker 6: in trouble, and obviously it was a big superstar.

1295
00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:13,336
Speaker 5: So I love covering Gronk.

1296
00:56:13,696 --> 00:56:16,296
Speaker 1: Then have a safe trip to Denver, and these guys

1297
00:56:16,336 --> 00:56:19,216
Speaker 1: want you to come back with a w for the Patriots. Obviously, Uh,

1298
00:56:19,456 --> 00:56:22,096
Speaker 1: thank you for the time, and we'll continue reading your work.

1299
00:56:22,136 --> 00:56:23,815
Speaker 4: You do a great job, so really appreciate it.

1300
00:56:23,936 --> 00:56:25,176
Speaker 5: Awesome, Thank you guys so much.

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00:56:25,216 --> 00:56:25,416
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1302
00:56:40,976 --> 00:56:44,416
Speaker 1: Of the four quarterbacks a lot, which story do you

1303
00:56:44,496 --> 00:56:46,176
Speaker 1: like the most if they were to win the Super Bowl?

1304
00:56:48,936 --> 00:56:52,616
Speaker 1: Of the four left, whose story do you like if

1305
00:56:52,656 --> 00:56:53,536
Speaker 1: they win the Super Bowl?

1306
00:56:53,536 --> 00:56:54,976
Speaker 4: If you've got to go to Jared Sidham, are you

1307
00:56:55,056 --> 00:56:57,616
Speaker 4: kidding me? It's a great story. It's a great story.

1308
00:56:58,216 --> 00:57:01,576
Speaker 4: He gets drafted by the Patriots. He's kind of there

1309
00:57:01,616 --> 00:57:04,136
Speaker 4: to take over after Brady leaves, but then they bring

1310
00:57:04,136 --> 00:57:06,976
Speaker 4: in Cam Newton and that gets carb blanche. He's only

1311
00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,776
Speaker 4: started what five games played for the Raiders a little bit,

1312
00:57:10,296 --> 00:57:12,616
Speaker 4: been on the shelf for a little while, just keeping

1313
00:57:12,616 --> 00:57:15,296
Speaker 4: that thing healthy, waiting in the wings. All of a

1314
00:57:15,296 --> 00:57:19,456
Speaker 4: sudden boom AFC Championship game, guess what you're in? And

1315
00:57:19,496 --> 00:57:21,216
Speaker 4: nobody even got to see him play last week. That's

1316
00:57:21,216 --> 00:57:23,816
Speaker 4: the other crazy. How often do you see a starting

1317
00:57:23,896 --> 00:57:26,696
Speaker 4: quarterback go down and the other games over after the

1318
00:57:26,696 --> 00:57:29,616
Speaker 4: game's over, like finishes the game and it's not until

1319
00:57:29,656 --> 00:57:31,736
Speaker 4: afterwards that you say, oh, guess what you're starting the

1320
00:57:31,736 --> 00:57:34,936
Speaker 4: biggest game that this franchise has had in years.

1321
00:57:35,896 --> 00:57:37,616
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a great story. There's going to

1322
00:57:37,696 --> 00:57:42,096
Speaker 1: be so much media inquiry this week to him, and

1323
00:57:42,616 --> 00:57:45,376
Speaker 1: if they win, he's going to be the guy that

1324
00:57:45,416 --> 00:57:48,136
Speaker 1: when he speaks at the podium Super Bowl days, down

1325
00:57:48,136 --> 00:57:50,096
Speaker 1: on the field, when it's just like a sea of

1326
00:57:50,176 --> 00:57:52,936
Speaker 1: people around him, everybody. That would be an interesting story.

1327
00:57:52,976 --> 00:57:54,856
Speaker 1: I would expect that from you. It's good because maybe

1328
00:57:54,856 --> 00:57:56,536
Speaker 1: you see a little bit of you and him. Oh

1329
00:57:57,816 --> 00:58:01,816
Speaker 1: I'm going to go Sam Darnold, Yes he was nothing,

1330
00:58:01,856 --> 00:58:04,616
Speaker 1: went to the drafted by the Jets, went to the Panthers,

1331
00:58:04,936 --> 00:58:09,176
Speaker 1: goes and chills with the Niners. Oh okay, well, I

1332
00:58:09,216 --> 00:58:13,016
Speaker 1: think you're definitely a great, great little backup here. Yeah,

1333
00:58:13,176 --> 00:58:16,936
Speaker 1: plays his brains out Minnesota. No, he's just a system quarterback.

1334
00:58:16,976 --> 00:58:19,176
Speaker 1: He played well, but system goes and makes his money

1335
00:58:19,176 --> 00:58:23,056
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I would love to see him win. Oh too,

1336
00:58:23,176 --> 00:58:26,496
Speaker 1: because I think it also gives We talked about coaches

1337
00:58:26,496 --> 00:58:28,936
Speaker 1: and like does it remove the shine? I think it

1338
00:58:28,976 --> 00:58:31,376
Speaker 1: helps these quarterbacks that go to these organizations that don't

1339
00:58:31,376 --> 00:58:34,936
Speaker 1: play well. That if a quarterback like a Sam Darnold

1340
00:58:34,936 --> 00:58:36,536
Speaker 1: is able to go and play in these bad places

1341
00:58:36,576 --> 00:58:40,256
Speaker 1: and still actually be good, they're just not written off right.

1342
00:58:40,856 --> 00:58:43,216
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's another example of that. Like if you play

1343
00:58:43,256 --> 00:58:45,656
Speaker 1: with the If you're a quarterback and you get drafted

1344
00:58:45,656 --> 00:58:48,096
Speaker 1: early by those teams because you're always getting drafted early

1345
00:58:48,096 --> 00:58:52,416
Speaker 1: by those teams because they're always bad. When it doesn't

1346
00:58:52,416 --> 00:58:54,776
Speaker 1: work out and you leave, we shouldn't look any worse

1347
00:58:54,776 --> 00:58:57,536
Speaker 1: at you. You're five years out, you're starting over one hundred.

1348
00:58:57,896 --> 00:59:01,776
Speaker 4: Because some of these guys get labeled right, they're they're

1349
00:59:01,656 --> 00:59:04,136
Speaker 4: a bust in. The next they draft the next guy

1350
00:59:04,176 --> 00:59:05,856
Speaker 4: and they go through the same stuff. Because it's an

1351
00:59:05,976 --> 00:59:09,496
Speaker 4: organizational problem. It's not always the player, and coaching makes

1352
00:59:09,496 --> 00:59:11,416
Speaker 4: a difference. And that's why you see so many of

1353
00:59:11,416 --> 00:59:13,896
Speaker 4: these guys, even Mac Jones this year going back playing

1354
00:59:13,936 --> 00:59:16,216
Speaker 4: the five games, what was he five and one or something?

1355
00:59:16,216 --> 00:59:18,056
Speaker 4: I mean four and one something like that this year,

1356
00:59:18,096 --> 00:59:21,656
Speaker 4: but he's playing under Kyle Shanahan in a system that

1357
00:59:21,736 --> 00:59:25,896
Speaker 4: has held true to being successful. Four quarterbacks. And then

1358
00:59:25,936 --> 00:59:28,856
Speaker 4: a guy like Sam Darnold, because I know the adversity

1359
00:59:28,976 --> 00:59:31,496
Speaker 4: that you go through, and I'm not talking about physical

1360
00:59:31,536 --> 00:59:33,856
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the mental adversity that you go through

1361
00:59:34,136 --> 00:59:36,136
Speaker 4: when you're a quarterback and things aren't going well and

1362
00:59:36,176 --> 00:59:38,656
Speaker 4: you're the face of the franchise or the supposed face

1363
00:59:38,696 --> 00:59:41,456
Speaker 4: of the franchise, and you struggle and you can't get

1364
00:59:41,456 --> 00:59:43,456
Speaker 4: out of that, and then they all of a sudden,

1365
00:59:43,456 --> 00:59:45,496
Speaker 4: you're cut and you're sent over to the label and

1366
00:59:45,576 --> 00:59:48,696
Speaker 4: labeled to the Panthers, and you're backup at the Panthers

1367
00:59:48,696 --> 00:59:51,536
Speaker 4: with Baker Mayfield and one other player was there as

1368
00:59:51,536 --> 00:59:54,376
Speaker 4: well at the time, but gets to start because somebody

1369
00:59:54,376 --> 00:59:58,376
Speaker 4: gets hurt. Same thing, team wasn't very good. Again, Now

1370
00:59:58,856 --> 01:00:02,416
Speaker 4: you're reiterating that label that people put on you, and

1371
01:00:02,816 --> 01:00:04,776
Speaker 4: sometimes it's just that fresh start. But he gets an

1372
01:00:04,776 --> 01:00:07,976
Speaker 4: opportunity to fight through all that and to still have

1373
01:00:08,056 --> 01:00:09,896
Speaker 4: that self confidence that you can go out and play well,

1374
01:00:09,936 --> 01:00:11,656
Speaker 4: and then to go out and do it not only

1375
01:00:11,736 --> 01:00:14,536
Speaker 4: last year, but now this year. It's it's a great

1376
01:00:14,536 --> 01:00:18,416
Speaker 4: story and it's a great testament to just how people

1377
01:00:18,456 --> 01:00:20,936
Speaker 4: can overcome those type of circumstances.

1378
01:00:21,016 --> 01:00:24,336
Speaker 1: I think at quarterbacks that had they been drafted by

1379
01:00:24,536 --> 01:00:26,736
Speaker 1: different organizations, might have actually been good.

1380
01:00:27,976 --> 01:00:31,816
Speaker 4: Him Couch, Oh god, he got absolutely murdered when he

1381
01:00:31,936 --> 01:00:34,536
Speaker 4: was with Cleveland. Guy was an absolute stud.

1382
01:00:34,656 --> 01:00:37,976
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know why he's not a stud in

1383
01:00:37,976 --> 01:00:40,376
Speaker 1: our minds because he played for Cleveland. And then it

1384
01:00:40,376 --> 01:00:42,816
Speaker 1: makes you look at guys like Cam Newton and go, dude,

1385
01:00:42,856 --> 01:00:43,296
Speaker 1: you must have.

1386
01:00:43,296 --> 01:00:44,256
Speaker 4: Been real, real good.

1387
01:00:44,656 --> 01:00:47,296
Speaker 1: He was unbelievad like, you must have been real real

1388
01:00:47,376 --> 01:00:51,256
Speaker 1: good in order to take that poverty franchise and make

1389
01:00:51,296 --> 01:00:51,976
Speaker 1: them pretty good.

1390
01:00:52,376 --> 01:00:54,056
Speaker 4: Yeah, successful year in, year out.

1391
01:00:54,136 --> 01:00:55,496
Speaker 1: I'm Panther guy. By the way, for the record, I'm

1392
01:00:55,496 --> 01:00:55,976
Speaker 1: big Panthers guy.

1393
01:00:56,016 --> 01:00:58,296
Speaker 4: Keeping put it in MVP. Take him to a super Bowl.

1394
01:00:58,376 --> 01:01:00,576
Speaker 4: Keep pounding, yeah, keep pounding. I agree with you, because

1395
01:01:00,576 --> 01:01:03,256
Speaker 4: when he walked in that building, that's when you know

1396
01:01:03,816 --> 01:01:06,896
Speaker 4: some something's different. And then you go out in game

1397
01:01:06,936 --> 01:01:08,776
Speaker 4: after game you watch him and go, oh my god,

1398
01:01:08,816 --> 01:01:12,216
Speaker 4: he single handly willed this team to win and just

1399
01:01:12,256 --> 01:01:15,216
Speaker 4: started winning consistently. And that's why you draft a quarterback

1400
01:01:15,256 --> 01:01:18,376
Speaker 4: like that, hoping that you catch that same type of

1401
01:01:18,416 --> 01:01:19,056
Speaker 4: difference maker.

1402
01:01:19,216 --> 01:01:20,976
Speaker 1: They have to be such a such a difference maker

1403
01:01:21,016 --> 01:01:24,016
Speaker 1: going to one of those bad organizations like look at Burrow,

1404
01:01:24,216 --> 01:01:27,056
Speaker 1: because the Bengals are that, except they got Burrow right

1405
01:01:27,096 --> 01:01:29,456
Speaker 1: and Burrow was able to elevate and took them to

1406
01:01:29,496 --> 01:01:33,296
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. Yes, the Bengals are not an organization.

1407
01:01:33,536 --> 01:01:36,896
Speaker 1: They're not rich. The owners of Bengals. Their money is

1408
01:01:36,936 --> 01:01:40,096
Speaker 1: the team. They're not super billionaires that it's just kind

1409
01:01:40,136 --> 01:01:41,936
Speaker 1: of their fun project and they throw money at it

1410
01:01:42,176 --> 01:01:44,336
Speaker 1: like that. So they don't spend a lot of money. Obviously,

1411
01:01:44,776 --> 01:01:46,896
Speaker 1: no outdoor practice facility for fifty years.

1412
01:01:47,016 --> 01:01:47,736
Speaker 4: We don't need one.

1413
01:01:47,896 --> 01:01:48,096
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1414
01:01:48,816 --> 01:01:49,096
Speaker 4: Good.

1415
01:01:49,576 --> 01:01:52,456
Speaker 1: So the guys like Joe Burrow should be appreciated even

1416
01:01:52,496 --> 01:01:56,216
Speaker 1: more because not only is he able to again transcend

1417
01:01:57,336 --> 01:02:00,976
Speaker 1: the poverty organization, but he's able to win so much

1418
01:02:01,016 --> 01:02:03,496
Speaker 1: he forces them to spend money on other things like

1419
01:02:03,576 --> 01:02:04,296
Speaker 1: wide receivers.

1420
01:02:04,936 --> 01:02:07,016
Speaker 4: So all right, I just it's good.

1421
01:02:07,536 --> 01:02:09,616
Speaker 1: The most boring story no offense to you guys, is

1422
01:02:09,696 --> 01:02:12,896
Speaker 1: Drake may what It doesn't mean it's not great. But

1423
01:02:12,936 --> 01:02:15,296
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Matthew Stafford went another super Bowl. I

1424
01:02:15,336 --> 01:02:17,016
Speaker 1: think he's a top ten quarterback all time.

1425
01:02:17,576 --> 01:02:19,856
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean statistically he already is one, but.

1426
01:02:20,336 --> 01:02:22,456
Speaker 1: Only one super Bowl, and I think that's what keeps

1427
01:02:22,496 --> 01:02:24,696
Speaker 1: him out of that. In the actual list of people

1428
01:02:24,776 --> 01:02:26,976
Speaker 1: going let me write the top quarterbacks, you give him

1429
01:02:26,976 --> 01:02:27,376
Speaker 1: another one.

1430
01:02:27,416 --> 01:02:28,776
Speaker 4: I think he's in there because he does have all

1431
01:02:28,816 --> 01:02:31,456
Speaker 4: the statistics. I mean, it's Drew Brees. Didn't he only

1432
01:02:31,496 --> 01:02:35,696
Speaker 4: win one super Bowl, but he is. It was after

1433
01:02:35,736 --> 01:02:39,736
Speaker 4: a hurricane. Yeah, he wanted he wanted for the city.

1434
01:02:39,896 --> 01:02:42,576
Speaker 4: Yeah he went for the city. But I think Drew

1435
01:02:42,616 --> 01:02:44,256
Speaker 4: Brees is one of the top quarterbacks that ever played

1436
01:02:44,256 --> 01:02:46,416
Speaker 4: a game. He's only won one Super Bowl. Peyton Manning,

1437
01:02:46,456 --> 01:02:50,096
Speaker 4: who arguably is number two on one, he won two

1438
01:02:50,096 --> 01:02:52,016
Speaker 4: super Bowls two different organizations.

1439
01:02:52,056 --> 01:02:53,896
Speaker 1: I guess my point with Stafford is he played U

1440
01:02:54,296 --> 01:02:56,696
Speaker 1: with the Detroit We're talking about poverty franchises that don't win.

1441
01:02:57,136 --> 01:02:59,096
Speaker 1: He just was not in the mix of being talked

1442
01:02:59,096 --> 01:03:02,216
Speaker 1: about highly where Breeze was talking about how he won MVPs.

1443
01:03:02,416 --> 01:03:05,056
Speaker 1: He was getting close. He was always in the conversation

1444
01:03:05,136 --> 01:03:05,656
Speaker 1: of this guys.

1445
01:03:05,656 --> 01:03:06,016
Speaker 4: Awesome.

1446
01:03:06,016 --> 01:03:09,616
Speaker 1: He just wasn't winning it, so Stafford didn't get that

1447
01:03:09,656 --> 01:03:10,656
Speaker 1: because they were terrible.

1448
01:03:10,816 --> 01:03:13,496
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like Miles Garrett, he's one of the biggest

1449
01:03:13,536 --> 01:03:17,976
Speaker 4: freaks that we'll ever see play the game at his position. Yeah,

1450
01:03:18,016 --> 01:03:19,456
Speaker 4: and he's in Cleveland.

1451
01:03:19,456 --> 01:03:20,296
Speaker 1: He could have left though.

1452
01:03:20,536 --> 01:03:21,296
Speaker 4: Yeah he took that.

1453
01:03:21,496 --> 01:03:26,416
Speaker 7: You know, he took that money. Steve Miller did it. Yeah,

1454
01:03:26,496 --> 01:03:29,576
Speaker 7: I'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, I agree. You guys pretty

1455
01:03:29,576 --> 01:03:32,376
Speaker 7: pumped about this weekend. Oh, it's gonna be awesome. Yeah yeah,

1456
01:03:33,376 --> 01:03:35,776
Speaker 7: I mean, how are you not? This is the best

1457
01:03:36,456 --> 01:03:39,816
Speaker 7: about the Patriots specifically. I'm fired up about the Patriots.

1458
01:03:39,936 --> 01:03:43,456
Speaker 4: I'm super stoked from boy Braves And would you have

1459
01:03:43,496 --> 01:03:46,136
Speaker 4: you texted him? Do you take? Did? He hasn't responded

1460
01:03:46,216 --> 01:03:49,896
Speaker 4: yet though, sure you got like five hundred thousand text messages.

1461
01:03:49,936 --> 01:03:52,296
Speaker 1: But gets to that because I do. I don't care

1462
01:03:52,336 --> 01:03:53,816
Speaker 1: what's going on if I don't get a text back.

1463
01:03:54,056 --> 01:03:56,496
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't because I'm a really bad textler.

1464
01:03:56,616 --> 01:03:59,856
Speaker 1: Yeah you are, because text me before Thursday.

1465
01:03:59,456 --> 01:04:01,256
Speaker 4: And then you'll get it on Thursday, Like, hey, Bud,

1466
01:04:01,376 --> 01:04:03,296
Speaker 4: sorry I miss this. I'm like, how do you mess

1467
01:04:03,376 --> 01:04:05,136
Speaker 4: for two days? How do you messing for two days?

1468
01:04:05,176 --> 01:04:08,136
Speaker 4: Just yeah. So I'm not a very good Texert and

1469
01:04:08,216 --> 01:04:10,376
Speaker 4: so if somebody doesn't respond to me, it's totally fine.

1470
01:04:10,416 --> 01:04:12,056
Speaker 4: As long as I let them know that I'm thinking

1471
01:04:12,096 --> 01:04:14,256
Speaker 4: about him, that's good. Yeah, he's a phone call guy.

1472
01:04:14,656 --> 01:04:19,216
Speaker 4: I'm a huge phone call guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1473
01:04:19,256 --> 01:04:22,936
Speaker 4: love if you were. If you call me, I'll pick up.

1474
01:04:22,976 --> 01:04:25,296
Speaker 1: Will never call you. I don't call anybody.

1475
01:04:25,536 --> 01:04:26,416
Speaker 4: You'll never call me.

1476
01:04:26,456 --> 01:04:28,976
Speaker 1: I don't call anybody. Kevin, Have I ever called you

1477
01:04:29,016 --> 01:04:29,656
Speaker 1: on the phone.

1478
01:04:29,856 --> 01:04:32,576
Speaker 3: The only time really is like after we record something

1479
01:04:32,696 --> 01:04:34,496
Speaker 3: and you leave, You're like just for like a note,

1480
01:04:34,616 --> 01:04:36,016
Speaker 3: or you'll leave a voice.

1481
01:04:35,856 --> 01:04:37,056
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has.

1482
01:04:37,296 --> 01:04:39,256
Speaker 4: He has done a voice message, but that's just to

1483
01:04:39,336 --> 01:04:41,696
Speaker 4: avoid any part of the conversation.

1484
01:04:41,856 --> 01:04:45,376
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know something, and that's it.

1485
01:04:46,376 --> 01:04:50,776
Speaker 1: I don't call people. I don't call people. I hate it.

1486
01:04:50,896 --> 01:04:54,056
Speaker 4: Really, I can't wait to call you. I want to answer.

1487
01:04:55,096 --> 01:04:57,456
Speaker 4: I don't just leave you the most random voicemails.

1488
01:04:57,496 --> 01:05:01,536
Speaker 1: I'll never check it. But I I know I don't

1489
01:05:01,656 --> 01:05:05,496
Speaker 1: mind facetiming people. If I FaceTime you, yeah, because there

1490
01:05:05,496 --> 01:05:09,376
Speaker 1: are social cues in facetiming. Yeah, And social cues are

1491
01:05:09,376 --> 01:05:11,056
Speaker 1: what allows me to get off the phone earlier.

1492
01:05:11,656 --> 01:05:13,256
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.

1493
01:05:13,456 --> 01:05:16,176
Speaker 1: I am awkward if it's just talking, I'm awkward anyway.

1494
01:05:16,176 --> 01:05:17,856
Speaker 1: I told there's a microphone on. It's not like I

1495
01:05:17,936 --> 01:05:19,776
Speaker 1: come in a room and I'm the most garious guy.

1496
01:05:19,496 --> 01:05:20,736
Speaker 4: The what are you talking about?

1497
01:05:20,736 --> 01:05:23,016
Speaker 1: You lit this room up when you came in here earlier. Shoot,

1498
01:05:23,176 --> 01:05:25,176
Speaker 1: I walked in. I was like, I feel great, guys,

1499
01:05:25,896 --> 01:05:27,416
Speaker 1: I talk to me. The microphone comes on.

1500
01:05:28,976 --> 01:05:32,056
Speaker 6: Let's go baby, Hey, baby, give me some juice.

1501
01:05:32,576 --> 01:05:34,376
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't call Brandon, do I ever? Do I

1502
01:05:34,376 --> 01:05:37,736
Speaker 1: ever call you? Brandon and I have been friends for

1503
01:05:38,496 --> 01:05:41,536
Speaker 1: thirteen years, and I know not to call you like ever.

1504
01:05:41,816 --> 01:05:42,896
Speaker 1: It's just I won't answer.

1505
01:05:42,976 --> 01:05:43,176
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1506
01:05:43,176 --> 01:05:44,936
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever called you unless it's like

1507
01:05:44,976 --> 01:05:46,536
Speaker 3: a hotel. Hey, I need this real quick.

1508
01:05:46,696 --> 01:05:49,416
Speaker 1: Other than that, no, never I think people answer you

1509
01:05:49,616 --> 01:05:53,696
Speaker 1: need something well like emergency. Yeah, if I call anybody,

1510
01:05:54,496 --> 01:05:57,456
Speaker 1: it's and I would say, if you guys call me,

1511
01:05:57,616 --> 01:06:00,456
Speaker 1: it's answered immediately. Because I know this is not typical.

1512
01:06:00,696 --> 01:06:01,776
Speaker 1: So something may be wrong.

1513
01:06:02,056 --> 01:06:03,536
Speaker 4: Oh so I can play off that right now.

1514
01:06:03,616 --> 01:06:06,336
Speaker 1: So I but now you've told me so answer damn it.

1515
01:06:06,536 --> 01:06:09,616
Speaker 4: I know you ruined it. Yeah, Yeah, he doesn't want

1516
01:06:09,616 --> 01:06:11,256
Speaker 4: to hear from me. Let's be honest, No I do.

1517
01:06:11,576 --> 01:06:11,896
Speaker 4: I would.

1518
01:06:11,896 --> 01:06:13,656
Speaker 1: I used to text them out a lot and I

1519
01:06:13,656 --> 01:06:14,736
Speaker 1: would never get a text back.

1520
01:06:15,016 --> 01:06:15,856
Speaker 4: That's not true.

1521
01:06:15,936 --> 01:06:21,776
Speaker 1: All my texts were I would say timely, meaning can

1522
01:06:21,816 --> 01:06:23,576
Speaker 1: I get an answer in the next I don't know,

1523
01:06:23,656 --> 01:06:26,816
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and then you get a message back

1524
01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:29,496
Speaker 1: two and a half days later. You go, I don't

1525
01:06:29,496 --> 01:06:32,336
Speaker 1: feel like I could sit a letter like you stay

1526
01:06:32,376 --> 01:06:33,936
Speaker 1: up on a letter and get it there the same

1527
01:06:33,936 --> 01:06:34,496
Speaker 1: amount of time.

1528
01:06:34,496 --> 01:06:36,936
Speaker 4: I got this letter, man, thank you so much for

1529
01:06:36,936 --> 01:06:37,416
Speaker 4: writing me.

1530
01:06:37,856 --> 01:06:39,776
Speaker 1: I think i'd get a letter back from him before

1531
01:06:39,776 --> 01:06:40,496
Speaker 1: I got a text.

1532
01:06:40,496 --> 01:06:43,816
Speaker 4: Here, Bobby, sitting by my pool right now.

1533
01:06:44,016 --> 01:06:46,016
Speaker 1: Do you have a bunch of text on your phone

1534
01:06:46,016 --> 01:06:47,336
Speaker 1: that you haven't read? Do you not read them or

1535
01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:49,656
Speaker 1: do you just not respond to them.

1536
01:06:49,736 --> 01:06:54,016
Speaker 4: I've probably got ten or fifteen texts that I haven't

1537
01:06:54,016 --> 01:06:56,296
Speaker 4: respond to. But if that would be like you scroll

1538
01:06:56,336 --> 01:06:56,696
Speaker 4: down like?

1539
01:06:56,936 --> 01:06:58,936
Speaker 1: But do they stay read? Do they stay dotted? They

1540
01:06:58,976 --> 01:07:00,256
Speaker 1: say dotted okay.

1541
01:07:00,336 --> 01:07:02,576
Speaker 4: Like or if I read it and I need to

1542
01:07:02,576 --> 01:07:05,136
Speaker 4: respond at some point, I'll put unread. But a lot

1543
01:07:05,176 --> 01:07:08,776
Speaker 4: of it is if I need to pay, like I

1544
01:07:08,816 --> 01:07:12,016
Speaker 4: forgot to pay something or did this orther? It's somebody, dude, book,

1545
01:07:12,056 --> 01:07:17,176
Speaker 4: he's going after you, coming after me so Houston last week.

1546
01:07:19,216 --> 01:07:22,776
Speaker 1: The thing with Castle Too is if I text him

1547
01:07:22,816 --> 01:07:25,816
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you want to get lunch Saturday, but

1548
01:07:25,856 --> 01:07:28,056
Speaker 1: I send it on a Wednesday, I'm not going to

1549
01:07:28,136 --> 01:07:30,096
Speaker 1: hold that spot on my calendar for two days. As

1550
01:07:30,136 --> 01:07:31,056
Speaker 1: he comes back to me.

1551
01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:34,816
Speaker 4: No, but when the hell have you text me on

1552
01:07:34,856 --> 01:07:37,456
Speaker 4: a Wednesday and said let's go to lunch on a Saturday.

1553
01:07:37,576 --> 01:07:41,096
Speaker 1: Never, that's not true. That's just not true. Really, early on,

1554
01:07:41,136 --> 01:07:43,496
Speaker 1: before I decided I can't do, we went to lunch together,

1555
01:07:43,616 --> 01:07:45,336
Speaker 1: I know, and I had to hold a spot for

1556
01:07:45,376 --> 01:07:47,976
Speaker 1: like two days before you responded. No, there's been time.

1557
01:07:48,056 --> 01:07:51,096
Speaker 1: You all have our strengths. You're the great You're the greatest, nicest,

1558
01:07:51,176 --> 01:07:51,936
Speaker 1: warmest human.

1559
01:07:52,096 --> 01:07:54,416
Speaker 4: Like I said, call me dude. See your strength is texting.

1560
01:07:54,536 --> 01:07:58,856
Speaker 4: I'm I would never call it. I want to talk

1561
01:07:58,936 --> 01:08:00,696
Speaker 4: to more than I do on this spot. No, it's

1562
01:08:00,736 --> 01:08:02,096
Speaker 4: not about talking. I just don't want to talk.

1563
01:08:02,096 --> 01:08:04,856
Speaker 1: I like talking to you, I like talking all everybody

1564
01:08:04,896 --> 01:08:05,096
Speaker 1: in here.

1565
01:08:05,136 --> 01:08:05,376
Speaker 4: I don't.

1566
01:08:05,456 --> 01:08:08,016
Speaker 1: I hate talking on the phone. Oh man, your beard

1567
01:08:08,016 --> 01:08:10,136
Speaker 1: looks good though. Yeah, I'm glad you're still letting it roll.

1568
01:08:10,216 --> 01:08:11,976
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna have to shave this thing though, probably

1569
01:08:12,016 --> 01:08:16,255
Speaker 4: before the super Bowl. Why, I don't know, kind of professional. Look,

1570
01:08:16,336 --> 01:08:18,215
Speaker 4: you know you look at you. You got Bobby baby Face

1571
01:08:18,296 --> 01:08:20,656
Speaker 4: on over there all the time. Perfect. You let your

1572
01:08:20,696 --> 01:08:25,256
Speaker 4: cat Bobby Babyface, the cat like the by snoop, the milk.

1573
01:08:25,296 --> 01:08:28,856
Speaker 4: Oh dude, the snowstorms coming. It's gonna be like epic.

1574
01:08:30,176 --> 01:08:32,056
Speaker 4: It never is when they say it never is, but

1575
01:08:32,136 --> 01:08:37,376
Speaker 4: there they are saying potential, which always means least fifteen inches.

1576
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:40,176
Speaker 1: That's it. Thank you, guys. You know what for you

1577
01:08:40,176 --> 01:08:41,376
Speaker 1: guys say go pats.

1578
01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:43,696
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go past.

1579
01:08:43,736 --> 01:08:46,256
Speaker 1: I would like some of my friends enjoying life. Thanks

1580
01:08:46,296 --> 01:08:47,416
Speaker 1: to Ben Bolin for coming on.

1581
01:08:47,576 --> 01:08:49,776
Speaker 4: It was awesome. He was great. Go follow him on

1582
01:08:49,816 --> 01:08:53,776
Speaker 4: Twitter or X. That's what you say.

1583
01:08:53,936 --> 01:08:58,496
Speaker 1: I don't say X. Everybody still says Twitter. Yeah, so anyway,

1584
01:08:58,536 --> 01:09:01,696
Speaker 1: go follow Ben. Thank you guys. And that's Matt Castle.

1585
01:09:01,936 --> 01:09:04,095
Speaker 1: That's kick Off Kevin, that's Brandon right. We've had lots

1586
01:09:04,096 --> 01:09:11,736
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to pay lots to say with Bobby

1587
01:09:11,736 --> 01:09:14,456
Speaker 1: Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL

1588
01:09:14,776 --> 01:09:18,536
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1589
01:09:18,616 --> 01:09:21,856
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