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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the season finally of Daredevil,

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Speaker 1: Born Again Dward. Hello my name, it's Jason Gepsion, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of

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Speaker 1: pop culture, Company from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing

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Speaker 1: you three massive episodes of week listeners.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Well we've made it here, guys.

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Speaker 3: It's been years of drama reshoots, recasting, killing people, bringing

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Speaker 3: them back.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the Daredevil finale, and my, oh.

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Speaker 2: My, it's gonna be an interesting conversation because.

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Speaker 3: This is a divisive one, not just in the discord,

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Speaker 3: but also in the production team.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. First, we open one year ago flashback.

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Speaker 1: Vanessa goes to visit Dex in the mental War. Des

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Speaker 1: is heavily drugged.

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Speaker 2: Guys, can we give this matter break?

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Speaker 1: I never thought I never thought I'd feel bad for Dex.

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Speaker 1: But this is definitely a scene where you're like, God,

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Speaker 1: this guy's, this horrific serial killer is getting exploited by

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Speaker 1: this by Vanessa Viz.

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Speaker 3: He's like, He's like, please, I don't want to fucking

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Speaker 3: kill anyone.

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Speaker 2: I just want to stay in jail, like, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to do it. I don't want to Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, well, sorry, I've got your release. So

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Speaker 1: she's like, listen, I'm getting your released and in return,

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Speaker 1: I need you to kill two people, Ben Kofaro and

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Speaker 1: his lawyer Foggy Nelson. They have information about my organization

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Speaker 1: that cannot become public, and I need you to kill him.

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Speaker 1: And Dex is like, ah, I'm not killing in here.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting my medication. I don't want to do it,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, no, you gotta fucking do it. You're

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Speaker 1: doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I also I like the way that she tries

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Speaker 3: to sell it to him, like she's like, I need

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Speaker 3: you to kill a thief.

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Speaker 2: They're a bad person. You're doing something right. He just

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Speaker 2: kills the whole family like chill out.

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Speaker 1: He can barely sign his name to the release forms,

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Speaker 1: that's how like medicated he is. We flash forward to

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Speaker 1: the present. Matt's waking up in the hospital after being shot,

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Speaker 1: you know, by Ben Poindexter. The bullet crazy to save

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Speaker 1: Willson Fisk's life. For some reason, Heather and Kirsten are there.

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Speaker 1: They tell him that Fisk is fine, and Matt is

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Speaker 1: immediately like the foggy case, what's going on? Like that?

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Speaker 1: That's why, that's what's going on. I need to find

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Speaker 1: what are the documenting? Are there any documents looked over

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Speaker 1: from that case? Like what do we know about that case?

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Speaker 1: Fisk and Vinessa at home, still in their bloodstained getting

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Speaker 1: real horny and like they are these two are freaks.

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Speaker 1: I will say that, like they're horrendous people. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's it is. There's something like touching about two people

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Speaker 1: who find their person and certainly they are for each other.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's very it's very match my is somebody gonna

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Speaker 3: match my freak? These twos freaks match, They love each other.

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Speaker 3: They love a little horny like are you gonna assassinate me?

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Speaker 2: Type situation? You know, but what can we say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna how are you gonna try and kill me? Today?

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Speaker 1: And so then Fisk basically says, in not so many

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Speaker 1: words that he knows that Vanessa I pulls I to

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Speaker 1: try and kill him, and honestly you can tell like

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Speaker 1: he it turns him on a little bit. And then

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Speaker 1: he tells Vanessa, you know here's here's what's up this

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Speaker 1: port deal. It's gonna be we were stealing millions before.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna be stealing billions through the billion billions billions.

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Speaker 1: We made the big time.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Matt, then in the hospital, explains his Foggy theory to

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Speaker 1: Kirsten with the you know m you know mc alviani's

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. She said, well, Foggy was going to

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Speaker 1: file emotion to dismiss. And he's like, where's the motion,

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Speaker 1: where's the documents? Where are they? And Heather and Kirsten

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Speaker 1: are like, Matt, you've just been you've just been shot.

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Speaker 1: Could you go to bed? Fleas.

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Speaker 3: My favorite part is like Heather is like so stressed

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Speaker 3: at this point, she's in bed and the room massive bed,

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Speaker 3: and she's like He's like, you know, fis She's like,

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Speaker 3: why did you Guys Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get you're.

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Speaker 3: Telling me he saved him so he could be the

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Speaker 3: one to catch him. He's such a little batman.

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Speaker 1: Same night, later the same night, everybody feel in their

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Speaker 1: ballroom attire, and Fist calls a meeting of his whole

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Speaker 1: political team. He is feeling in it. He is like

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Speaker 1: in a flow stealing. He is like dirty cops, no

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Speaker 1: more warrants, no more body cams, kill anybody you want

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Speaker 1: on the snoot, We're doing no due process.

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Speaker 2: We're rich seizing.

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Speaker 1: It's something. It is really something when a comic book

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Speaker 1: villain is written in such a way to seem insanely

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Speaker 1: power mad, and then all of a sudden the real

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Speaker 1: world rises to meet that standard.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, we were talking about this in

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Speaker 3: regards to the Pit and how it's even that show

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Speaker 3: is really a response to COVID, but it still feels

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Speaker 3: relevant because a lot of people still have COVID and

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Speaker 3: there's still bad, you know, bad business in the medical industry.

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Speaker 3: And Noah Wyley's mom was a nurse, so she was

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Speaker 3: calling him every time he watched she watched dr and

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Speaker 3: being like this is wrong, so make it right. In

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Speaker 3: the Pit and in this show, this show that has

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Speaker 3: been in production for like four years, they did something

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Speaker 3: where they told what I'm sure they.

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Speaker 2: Felt it was so crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, But now you're watching it and you're like, Jesus,

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Speaker 3: I know. Eric Adams just could wish that he was

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Speaker 3: acting like Maphisk, like in public, like you know what's happening.

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Speaker 1: So nobody cams no due process. Fisk is like, I

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Speaker 1: want the city sealed, cut the bridges, uh, martial law everywhere. Afterwards,

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Speaker 1: Buck is like, hey, some bad news, Boss Murroc is

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Speaker 1: gonna live, and Fisk is like, well, wouldn't it be

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Speaker 1: great if he didn't? What a better story that would

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Speaker 1: have been killed Matt Murdoch, like a rabble rousing lawyer

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Speaker 1: for the dispossessed and the powerless killed by a masked vigilante.

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Speaker 1: Let's make it happen.

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Speaker 3: Buck, He's like, He's also like come on, man, like

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Speaker 3: just think about it. Isn't a dead hero better than

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Speaker 2: And I was like, man, that's a fucking good line.

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Speaker 2: Like wow.

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Speaker 1: Fisk then orders Sheila to snitch on the rest of

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Speaker 1: the staff, and Sheila, I have to say, is has

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Speaker 3: And does it yeah, which I find is a very

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Speaker 3: interesting position because she's basically like, I'm beat than this.

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Speaker 2: I would never do that, and then immediately goes and doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think she is a realistic representation kind

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Speaker 3: of that white Lotus conversation we were having, like absolute

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Speaker 3: power corrupts absolutely, Like Sheila is gonna sell these people

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Speaker 1: So you know she's she's been told like, Okay, tell

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Speaker 1: me who's not loyal in my organization and give me

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Speaker 1: the names. Shila doesn't love it. Clearly you can tell

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Speaker 1: Chief Gallo comes to her and is like, this is

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Speaker 1: fucked up. This is crazy. We need to do something.

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Speaker 1: You and I need to do something. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Albany and I'm gonna I can't call Albany. I have

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Speaker 1: to go there personally and tell the governor and the

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Speaker 1: state government in person that is planning to do on this.

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Speaker 1: There's no way I could like call anybody else or

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Speaker 2: So is like, don't go.

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Speaker 1: Not great. It's yeah, the Capitol district, that's not great,

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Speaker 1: but listen, not great. No shots to Albany. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 3: I at some delicious pet's are in Albany. But I

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Speaker 3: do feel like it's weird all the way to Albany.

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Speaker 1: He could have picked up a phone, but anyway, and

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Speaker 1: She'll was like, I got your back. I'm gonna back

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Speaker 1: you up. Uh Matt is you know it's been four

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Speaker 1: And while that's happening, Matt hears through all the tumult

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Speaker 3: Was it because they were playing killing me softly slowly

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Speaker 2: Of and we'll talk about like that.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. And so Matt is like, uh, oh,

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Speaker 1: who's at his apartment. Frank Castle is broken. He was

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Matt? And he says, listen, I'm here

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Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch, someone, some secret someone gave me a call

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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Will find out soon. Frank then

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Speaker 1: tell yeah, I wonder. Frank then tells Matt, listen, when

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Speaker 1: I going to kill them, okay, And I don't want

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Speaker 1: why did you take a bullet for Fisk? And Man

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Speaker 2: He's like at this point, I don't find know.

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Speaker 3: Like I think did I think he did it because

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Speaker 2: But also like he he killed Fisk.

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Speaker 3: And I do think this is a very interesting part

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Speaker 3: him he just killed him because it's like, that's that's

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Speaker 2: I'm dead devil.

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Speaker 3: I take a bullet if somebody's getting shot, like and

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Speaker 3: I think it was almost like a muscle memory, but

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Speaker 3: also because he can't exist without Wilson Fisk. Dead devil

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Speaker 3: didn't exist when Fisk went straight, Yeah, devolhood was off

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Speaker 3: the streets, you know. So he needs him alive to

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Speaker 1: I think he wants more than anything to expose Wilson

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Speaker 1: Fisk in the eyes of the public, in the court

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Speaker 1: of law, shine daylight on his operations, everybody look look

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Speaker 1: become like a martyr figure that other people were going

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Speaker 1: to follow. I think that's what Mad is going for.

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Speaker 1: So the task force arrives and it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: If I got punishing logo on the chest, he's gotten him.

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Speaker 1: With a guttnam. He's shooting him in the head. He's

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Speaker 1: Then elsewhere on Red Hook are like, is they've got

433
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Speaker 1: Frank tied to a chair and he goes down on

434
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Speaker 1: one knees, like, Frank, we fucking idolize you. You're the best.

435
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: We love the way you kill people without due process

436
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: and like we just want.

437
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: To be thank you man.

438
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Will you join the task Force and be like part

439
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: of this. It would be like our utter dream if

440
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: that was the case. In Frank's like, you guys are

441
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: fucking clowns. You guys are losers. Yeah, and then the

442
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: test or beats the shit out of him. Daredevil and

443
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Karen arrive. It has been maybe six or seven hours

444
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: since Matt was shot in the shoulders. Had He's been

445
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: in a in a huge Donnybrook fight in which like

446
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: a dozen cops were killed, and now he's here on

447
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: the verge of Red Hook. He's looking they you know,

448
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: they look at the scene and there's like, maybe I

449
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: don't know, fifty sixty Task Force guys there, like it's

450
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: crawling with task FORRSE guys. And Karen is like, you can't, Matt,

451
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: look at you. You're a mess. You you need water,

452
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: you need probably to eat something.

453
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: You need to sleep.

454
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: You need to sleep. You were shot six hours ago.

455
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Don't go in there. You can't take them on.

456
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: And Matt is like, don't do it, Matt.

457
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Matt is like, you know what, You're right, You're right.

458
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: Heather goes to see Fisk brush shocking, and.

459
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: I'm so sick of Heather at this point, like to

460
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: be mayfair.

461
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: Look either just dump Matt and gone, I'm Wilson Fisk.

462
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: But don't do this like in the middle, like Matt

463
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: is telling you, look, you eat the Sure Matt's acting crazy, but.

464
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Is he your boyfriend? Are you a right or no?

465
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: So Fiscus, Well there's other issues too, Listen, I get it.

466
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: This is a huge career move from Heather, who doesn't

467
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: you could argue doesn't necessarily know what fisc is up to,

468
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: and true gravity Matt has never leveled with her at all.

469
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: That But that said, like I feel like, ethically, you

470
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: can't go to work for your patient.

471
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: Right exactly what I mean? I don't. I don't think

472
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: she is a serious person. No ship she pretends. She

473
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: pretends to be like, oh, I'm such a big therapist.

474
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: Oh I just I have to be therapizing everybody, Matt,

475
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: why are you doing this?

476
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: Go to therapy. But then she's just like, yeah, I'll

477
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: go to the ball of my marriage.

478
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: And by the way, I just saw my marriage counsel

479
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: couple get shot and now I'm gonna be old of

480
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: mental health.

481
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Right mental health commission. So she signs on. Then again

482
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: it's the same twenty four hour period. This is now

483
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: the morning after the Black and White Ball, Fisk makes

484
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: a speech on television where he says Commissioner Gallo has resigned.

485
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: He fled, he fled from his duty. He couldn't handle it.

486
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: Don't ask where he is, don't hopefully nobody ever looks

487
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: for him. And then he announces his new anti crime

488
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: edict where he says vigilantes are outlawed and the city's

489
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: under martial law. That's it, eight pm, don't be out

490
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: after the city that never sleeps. Well, guess what.

491
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like eight pm. Nobody in New York

492
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: because he even left the house at.

493
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: Eight pm, Like you gonna be going, You'll go to

494
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 3: dinner at like ten, Matt being in Europe.

495
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: Matt. Then you know, back to Matt and Karen. Matt

496
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: makes again. Here's here's a piece of dialogue that made

497
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: me laugh out loud. Matt serious like opening himself up,

498
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: very vulnerable, like showing showing.

499
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: An impression, doing impression.

500
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: Karen.

501
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: I can't do it.

502
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: I can't do it. But he basically it was too fisky.

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: But he basically admits to Karen, He's like, listen, you

504
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: know what I remember when on the night that Foggy

505
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: was killed. When I dropped Benjamin Poindexter on his head

506
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: off a building, off a six story building, I have

507
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: a big admission to make. I was trying to kill him,

508
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: no ship, you dropped him off.

509
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: And by the way, like not just that you didn't

510
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: use your little spiderweb Winch likes to stop him fing

511
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: trying to kill him off.

512
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize.

513
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: And even Batman, if he throws someone off a roof,

514
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: will usually like book him with a little less sue

515
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: and lumps like you just let that man have full

516
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: head first into the ground. He's a miracle. He's still alive.

517
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: Dex has been going through. It's a miracle he didn't

518
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: fucking shoot you. Yeah, and I don't think that Karen

519
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: is probably surprised to hear this.

520
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: Karen, then, I think makes actually a good what I

521
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: thought was like a really good speech in this series.

522
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like this interaction between the two.

523
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: About how listen, you're still the good guy basically and

524
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: the city needs you. And yes, you you cross the

525
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: line when you tried to kill Benjamin Poindexter, but like

526
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: you but the fact that you know the line is

527
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: there and you try to respect. It is why the

528
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: city needs you. And then we get a Radiohead music

529
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: drop and we we kind of end with Fisk triumphant.

530
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: We watch him like strolling through his castle and Red

531
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Hook where he's got like all these people imprisoned in cages,

532
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: including Jack's Swordsman Duquine and front Castle.

533
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: Jack.

534
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: He was such a good step He's the only vigilante

535
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: that Wilsons still.

536
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: So he was like, and you know what else, I

537
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: think this confirms something that we had kind of been.

538
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: I think the show had specifically wanted us to be

539
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: a little blurry on, which is like the basement that

540
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: he was holding Vanessa's lover in, was this basement in

541
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: Red Hook, like he's that's always It wasn't like under

542
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: his office or whatever. This is his little prison basement

543
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: that he's been building. And I'm getting we are also

544
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: probably to assume that there are more there's more vigilantes

545
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: in there than we know.

546
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Right, So he's got all these people in cages, which

547
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: again like eerie parallels where and physical go down like

548
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: under the to like blow where the cages are now,

549
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: I think down to where like Adam's cage was. That's

550
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking yeah, and they have a sumptuous meal

551
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: with champagne. They're back, baby.

552
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna be fucking at Adam's change.

553
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Before then, though, we're gonna be fucking in Adam's cage.

554
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: And then we get a little stinger where listen. If

555
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: there's one thing we know about Frank Castle in the

556
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: comic books is this man escapes from prisons every day.

557
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: He's like the joker, like you, there's no point in

558
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: putting him an Alkhama asylum. He's gonna get out.

559
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: Noble shit like. There's gotta be eight to ten instances

560
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: in the comics notable instances of him, including the you

561
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: Know when he was originally put in prison because I forget,

562
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: the creative team of Spider Man just didn't thought he

563
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: was a villain, didn't like him.

564
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: So it didn't make sense to have him in the.

565
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: His launch to the you Know comics continuity proper was

566
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: started by him basically escaping.

567
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: From you yeah so and being in prison with you

568
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: know and being in a Spider Man comic, which is

569
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: something we will talk about very soon because where the

570
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: fuck is Spider Man?

571
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: So Frank is like, hey, what what you officer? And

572
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the officer, and the guy's Patrucci.

573
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Pucci. My name is where you from?

574
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Way from? Officer Patrucci? Yeah, where we are you from?

575
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm from New Jersey? Oh yeah, yeah, I love you.

576
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I used to go down to the shore. I love Jersey.

577
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Hey here, let me ask you something, Patrucia. And then

578
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: he like grabs his arm and fucking snaps it and

579
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: clear He's like, let me thank you.

580
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: For your service. And I'm like, come on, bro, like

581
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm so dumb.

582
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: Let me reach in the snaps that man's arm right off,

583
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: and then.

584
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Frank is out.

585
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Baby, you ain't keep it Frank in there. No, he's

586
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: not gonna help anyone else cow either.

587
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: By the way, I think Frank is gonna be like, hey, Red,

588
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: let me get distrained. I show up at your apartment

589
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: to save you from the task Force, and you can't

590
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: even come and break me out of Red Hook fucking

591
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: hours after you got shot and fight cops.

592
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: Frank exactly is that Frank has a good point, because Babe,

593
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: we know that Matt is not resting, like Matt is

594
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: doing things to save your friend.

595
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: That's gonna be an issue next season. That is gonna

596
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: be an argue. Let's take a quick break, we'll be

597
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: back and talk more about this.

598
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: Episode, and we are back.

599
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Speaker 1: I I thought it was a very satisfying finale. Obviously

600
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: an up and down season with a lot of disjointedness

601
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: because of one would imagine the various disruptions to the

602
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: production and the fact that they had to, like Frankenstein,

603
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of this stuff together. But listen, something about

604
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Matt and frank tearing through like corruption in a visceral way.

605
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: I found very cathartic in today's the Life and Times,

606
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: despite the fact that I I and I will hardly

607
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: admit that there were plot problems, emotional art problems, characters

608
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: who were barely drawn as characters. I loved the little

609
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: cameo of Detective cam aka the only detective in New

610
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: York City at the at Josie's Bar, with the rest

611
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: of the constituents looking at Matt like will you save us?

612
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: But that said, like I found it, I found it satisfying.

613
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: But I know that our super producer Joelle feels different.

614
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: Tell us Joel, because I too found it to be

615
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: like a satisfying ending, but that this there's something very

616
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: punchy and like comic bookie about the season that for

617
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: me really watched. Will tell us your feelings on the finale.

618
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Speaker 5: Okay, I want to start by seeing I've been rocking

619
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: with this show the whole time. I have been enjoying it.

620
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: I am not just hey, you you've been.

621
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you've been, you've been.

622
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 5: I thought I was having fun. Okay, it was like, man,

623
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: to Jason's point, it's really comic, bookie, this is fun.

624
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 5: To Rosy's point, love seeing the cops take it like

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: straight in the face. It's great. I struggle with this

626
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: ending because and maybe this is too much insider baseball,

627
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 5: but we understood like okay, they were patching things together

628
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 5: in the middle, but like this final episode was like

629
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: this is all new because all stuff we had can

630
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 5: throw it. So I thought we were going to create

631
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: into a great finale and there were so many great setups.

632
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 5: I really have been enjoying the Wilson and Vanessa like

633
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: back and forth, but the dinner didn't feel earned this episode.

634
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: It's like, yes, you guys got away with some stuff.

635
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 5: You had tried a lot.

636
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: Of things.

637
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 5: Throughout, but now you're you're feasting, but like, did you

638
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 5: really win? Like things around your heels. It didn't real

639
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 5: seem like you. I don't know, it felt quite unearned

640
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: to me. And then I also just had, like I

641
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 5: thought the fight scene, particularly the one in Daredevil's apartment

642
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 5: with h punishuring him versus the cops on my television,

643
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: and it's been calibrated by an a FI cinematographer, and

644
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: I haven't had trouble seeing anything since the finale of

645
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: Game of Thrones. It is dark, man. It is like

646
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 5: really hard to see in Super Muddy, which I didn't understand.

647
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: I thought, not as well choreographed as we're used to

648
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: seeing a like great Daredevil fight, even just a Marvel fight.

649
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 5: Marvel has consistently delivered on really great fights, even when

650
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 5: narrative suffers. So to have it here be so messy

651
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: in a finale that you had already been like, we're reshooting,

652
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: We're to spend all this money. I was confused as

653
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: to the choices. I'll also say, and then I'll let

654
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: Aarin jump in with some positives. Is like every black

655
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: woman in this show written terribly. Let's let's really fix that.

656
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: In part two, saynary characters in general very well. I

657
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: really did disappear.

658
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: I didn't know what like.

659
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: So first of all, you have BB in the Mayor's

660
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 5: office as we see her for two seconds. He's there

661
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: where all this action has happened, and we don't get

662
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 5: to see her like sleuthing and detectiving, Like why why

663
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 5: why is she here?

664
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: What's going on with us? She should be like she's

665
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: like on Nancy Drew, Like please let her be that

666
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: in season two?

667
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 5: And who's the like bodyguard guy I like to call

668
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 5: him Bowser Browser Buck is out here and I wish

669
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 5: I understood, like what his agenda was. I was understood

670
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 5: what Buck got out of any of this? Like is he.

671
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: I think?

672
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: I think lots of money. I think just gives everyone

673
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: lots of money.

674
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: That's not what he does. He loves he loves being

675
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: adjacent to power.

676
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it needs but that's what I.

677
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, we don't know much about him.

678
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the setups in this show

679
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 5: are so powerful. To your guys' point, when they put

680
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 5: Punisher in a chair in front of a bunch of

681
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: cops with his logo on their chest, I was filming

682
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: about I'll here we go. He's about to get it

683
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: to them he got laid in, and to be fair,

684
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: he does that when pisani if you were in fire,

685
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: which seems like a grade school comeback. I just think

686
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 5: we've seen him deliver. How we know the power of

687
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 5: John Berenthal. We know the power of this character, and

688
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: the camera is on him, So in my opinion, we

689
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: should be learning more about him, or he should be

690
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: having a discovery of like, oh my god, I'm implicit

691
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: somewhat to how these cops are behaving. Oh my god,

692
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: am I any better than these cops? I do what

693
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: they're doing. It discuss me why are my actions to

694
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 5: be different? But he doesn't get a chage a character.

695
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: He says things we've heard him say a bunch of

696
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 5: times before, and because we can't see the cops faces,

697
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 5: we're not sure what this hero worship has done being

698
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 5: denied has done to them, you know what I mean?

699
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: And so therefore there's nothing happens and then care he

700
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: should be dextaposed against.

701
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: I think that you. I understand your point.

702
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: We talked about this, like yeah, if Mike too, but

703
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: like I personally feel like I think the dismissiveness of

704
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Frank to them where he's basically like you idolizing me

705
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: is fucking stupid because I'm a fucked up person and

706
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm broken, and also your bunch of fucking clowns. And

707
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: I think that I loved the dismissive nature where he

708
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: is basically just like you could never comprehend what drives

709
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: me so and whatever drives you is bullshit and it

710
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: worked for me. But I do know like that with

711
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: this episode did not have any like banger monologues, and

712
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: this show has had those in the past.

713
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I acknowledge your take, and I don't think it's

714
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong, but why it But for me, why those

715
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: things worked are won And again I said this before

716
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: we went on, Mike, I do feel like Frank ripping

717
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: out the throats of multiple dirty cops wearing his logo communicates,

718
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: I think pretty strongly like any feelings he might have.

719
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: And I also feel like we get so much of

720
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: the how do you feel about them? Using your logo

721
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: so conversations between him and Matt, and that's really where Yeah,

722
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like Frank would entertain even touching upon

723
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: a topic like that, having that kind of self reflection.

724
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: He's not a self reflective guy and not one to

725
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: ever explain his rage, but he kind of goes there

726
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: with Matt and it it felt natural to me that

727
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: he wouldn't go there with a bunch of cops who

728
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: he clearly despises, seeing as how he just like killed

729
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: a dozen of them.

730
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: I do.

731
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: I also do think that the time jump of it all,

732
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: it puts us into a situation. And I've been thinking

733
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: about this because of our Last of Us episode one,

734
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: season two chat, which you guys will be able to

735
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: hear when the show comes out. But I was thinking

736
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: about like the nature of what we don't see, And

737
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: I do think that when it is first introduced that

738
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: the cops have taken on this punish a gang in

739
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: the episode and Matt goes to see Frank and he

740
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: shows him.

741
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: The bullet, it's clear that this.

742
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: Has been happening to Frank for a while, Like he's like, oh,

743
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: fucking lose a fanboys, Like there's something we didn't see

744
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: there where I think he has reckoned with this, and

745
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: his reckoning is fuck them.

746
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna that's my point.

747
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: You have to guess though You're like, oh, well, if

748
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: I put you into this, and I'm like, you, we

749
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: should see that that should be inherent within the show.

750
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: This is important to the character, defines them, it defines Yeah,

751
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: this moment, and I think that was really my big point.

752
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: Like I love the setups of loving, I love the

753
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: end choices. I love when the villain wins is the end.

754
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: I love that Karen came back. I just think how

755
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 5: like how much time we spent on things like Heather,

756
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Heather, I do I'm not gonna lie easy.

757
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: I love this woman, and yet I don't understand her

758
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: relationship to fis, like where does this loyalty come from?

759
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: When did that lock in? And why she's just looking

760
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: at it. She's ambitious, She's like what sees I don't

761
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: see multiple books. That's not I've never known an author.

762
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: It's particularly a self help style author who didn't want

763
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: to go doctor Oz.

764
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: Sadly that.

765
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: Tiny side moments of like after a session, like oh oh,

766
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: we read your book and we loved it. We're gonna

767
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: recommend it to a friend.

768
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: Bam. Okay.

769
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: I understand from the reaction on her face she's super

770
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: excited about this information. There's a lack of information being

771
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 5: delivered to the audience so that you have to guess

772
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: and assume and that's not as fun for me. I

773
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 5: don't love it.

774
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally feel that Again, I do,

775
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: I feel like specifically for my I mean, this is

776
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: something else we talked about before we've started recording the

777
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: episode that I would love to dig into more at

778
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: some point, which is kind of like what does it

779
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: mean to be a Prestige TV show now? And like

780
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: this is so different to what Prestige used to be

781
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: And I don't necessarily think this is Prestige TV. But

782
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: for me, there's something about the pacing, the way that

783
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: it kind of I will say trusts the audience with

784
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 3: in the comments, because I do think you're right, Joel.

785
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: I think some of it is, like you, they just

786
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: didn't have time and so you're left to put pieces together.

787
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: But there's something about the pacing and the urgency and

788
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: the kind of simplicity that does really remind me of

789
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: the feeling of reading a comic book, the same way

790
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: that very fairly in the discord, when I called out

791
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: my feelings about Karen in the first kind of Netflix era,

792
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: a lot of people were like, Hey, she doesn't really

793
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: get that much more in the comics, like they're actually

794
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: giving her a lot more to do here. So I

795
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: think it's one of those interesting dichotomies. But for me, overall,

796
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: it did work.

797
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: Aaron, how about you.

798
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I thought that the last two episodes were

799
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 6: really fun, and I thought this one Joey. I said

800
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 6: this to Joelle earlier too. I feel like Joelle was

801
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 6: disappointed in the things that she wanted and didn't get,

802
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 6: whereas I was very excited and happy about the things

803
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 6: I didn't expect and then did get.

804
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: And so, for instance, okay, what were the things you

805
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: didn't I mean you and that you did get.

806
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 6: I didn't expect Matt to come home and have punish

807
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 6: her in there and have them do like an old

808
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 6: married couple bantering back and forth earth where he's like,

809
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 6: you're gonna do the fight with your ass out and

810
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 6: then he flicks them off. I mean, like just amazing

811
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: back and forth between the two of them. And then

812
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: I got shotgun, you know, like I loved all of

813
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 6: that stuff between.

814
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 3: Them, and I think that that that chemistry is so vital.

815
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: Really, I will say, you do wish there was.

816
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: More of it again, which could have given them more

817
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: time to have those conversations like Joel kind.

818
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 6: Of yeah, but I also, I mean in response to Joelle,

819
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 6: no offense, but you're wrong, friend.

820
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: I didn't need.

821
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: It.

822
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 6: I don't need like after Frank was withholding with Karen,

823
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 6: someone who he ostensibly loves, and we are really into

824
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 6: that relationship.

825
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: There.

826
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Speaker 6: What makes me think that if he's like pinned up

827
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 6: against the wall by fourteen different scummy cops who are

828
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 6: wearing his logo, that he's gonna be like, you know what, guys,

829
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 6: I gotta give you a piece of my mind because.

830
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't kill people, and he doesn't.

831
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Speaker 6: That's why he just fucking killed him, and he just

832
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 6: when he's tied to it, yeah, then he's like, I'm

833
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 6: not even giving you the time of day for that.

834
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: I love this so much because this is this is why.

835
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: We do this podcast, is because we love this stuff

836
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: so deeply that it becomes this really fun thing while

837
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: you get to critique, well didn't work, like talk about

838
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: what works. And I think that's like why we love it.

839
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot I will admit, like we're great,

840
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm certainly like personally grading and

841
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: on a curve for a variety of reasons that I've

842
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: talked about all throughout, But I think one of the

843
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: other things that I really like about that, and I

844
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: find very promising about the execution of dared Evil Born Again,

845
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: is that it suggests that, you know, Disney TV, Marvel,

846
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: Level TV, the street level heroes are going to like

847
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: go there in a way that the movies are not.

848
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: They're going to be more violent, they're going to take on,

849
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, different kinds of subject matter. They're going to

850
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: take on more hard hitting kind of story topics, and

851
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it in a way where, you know,

852
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: maybe it's because they're kind of under the radar and

853
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: don't get the kind of attention that the movies get

854
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: with all the conversation about like di and Woke and

855
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: who should be cast in what and what does this carry?

856
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think the fact that they're kind of

857
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: below that conversation, if that's what allows them to have

858
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: the freedom to just to you know, depict Wilson Fisk

859
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: as basically like red Hook, Dictator Trump, Like okay, Like

860
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm for it, Like I hope that the rest of

861
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: their street level stuff hits as hard as this, as

862
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: imperfect as it clearly was.

863
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I do think as well, we

864
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 3: are living in an age where a lot of the

865
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: radical nature and analogous name of superheroes has been lost,

866
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: and I think that's why for me, even if it's

867
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: something that's not necessarily intentional, like the way that The

868
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: Suicide Squad felt like a film about prison labor, prisoner exploitation,

869
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: and like a story about the harms and horrors of

870
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: war and America's colonialism, and that might not have been

871
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: and I spoke to him about it the intention of

872
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: what James Gum made, but to me, it spoke to me.

873
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: And I do think that on that level, the fact

874
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: that this.

875
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: Show can make I mean, look, you know me, I'm

876
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: a the Batman number one superstate, right, but this movie, I.

877
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: Think actually because I was correct ish.

878
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: You know, if we talk about predictions, I definitely was

879
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: feeling like there was going to be some kind of

880
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: good cop team, but.

881
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: Even then it was much more vague.

882
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: It was much more of like, well, Matt's gonna be

883
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: honest about who he is to these people that he trusts,

884
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: and let's see how that can impact the city going forward.

885
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: And that to me, like at the end of Batman,

886
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: which is such a great movie about corrupt cops and

887
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: the danger of corruption in a city and how it

888
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: can impact people. They have to literally have someone be like,

889
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: not all cops are bad cops, and then they show

890
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 3: all these cops in like a heroic light. I think

891
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 3: they were able to do something here that is much

892
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: more morally ambiguous because Matt is also morally ambiguous, and

893
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: that to me, I do think is going to be

894
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: the resounding feeling of wow, Like they predicted this, it

895
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: came out at the right time, and it feels like

896
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 3: they're dealing with it in a way I haven't seen before.

897
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also made me think in an age

898
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: when you know, if you disagree with a lot of

899
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: the things that are going on currently, like in the world,

900
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, the media is corporate, It's completely lost to you.

901
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: It's not a place where you can feel comfortable anymore,

902
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: like communicating those ideas a lot of the times academias

903
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: under threat. It proves this is gonna sound like hokey,

904
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: but to me it shows the importance of of culture

905
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: and like pop culture, and how it can be a

906
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: container for ideas that are super simple but actually like

907
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: really important, like hey, corruption and untrammeled power is bad.

908
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this.

909
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: Conversation, and so I think that I think that, like

910
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: it's crazy to be like this very very silly television

911
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: feels important in that way, in the same kind of

912
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: way that I think we'll be talking about and or.

913
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: But it does.

914
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: Even though it was like very silly with a lot

915
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of flaws, it feels like, Oh, here's like a thing

916
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that says, Hey, all the stuff that's going on that's bad,

917
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: it is actually bad. That's bad.

918
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking bad.

919
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: And guess what you can fight against it if you

920
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: want to, which I think is a good message. Okay,

921
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: many your wrong friend reunion. Joel, tell us how much

922
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: you hated killing us softly? Killing me softly?

923
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Karen, tell me how much you loved radio had Killing

924
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: Me such a beautiful song about love and the pain

925
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: and the struggle.

926
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: It belongs in I don't know, maybe the last of

927
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: us check that show out. Uh here for two seconds

928
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 5: win an assassin that Matt has had hardly any time with.

929
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: Why is this solt? For what reason?

930
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 5: Killing is not softly? It's very deadly and in your

931
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 5: face and not subtle. He's in a hallway ripping out

932
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 5: a syringe, which actually from a comic book angle.

933
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: I really love.

934
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 5: It's so menacing and weird that I'm sure any nurse

935
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 5: walking by be like, what are you doing?

936
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 3: But he didn't even need to bring that. He could

937
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: have just he didn't need to bring the whole bulks.

938
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: He could have just stolen a needle.

939
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: From the options. Very different.

940
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: And then he well, let me just wait. I just

941
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: want to say one thing Jason just wants to say

942
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: because as a person who does anybody remember the nineteen

943
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: ninety eight Michael Keaton Kelly Preston classic Jack Frost, in

944
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: which Michael Keaton the most. He plays the most successful

945
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: blues musician in Colorado. He dies in a car accident

946
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: and then his spirit inhabits a snowman.

947
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, the horror movie, terrible.

948
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Fucking piece of shit movie that is really funny to

949
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: watch in retrospect. As one of the craziest. They use

950
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: Landslide by Fleetwood Mac, which I think is one of

951
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: the most beautiful and affecting and heartbreaking songs ever written,

952
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: drops in the middle of Jack Frost, a movie about

953
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: a haunted snowman, and I just think, like it happens.

954
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: What you was just saying what everyone knows. Why are

955
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: you jamming it in here? Okay, Aaron? Aaron song worked

956
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: for you? And why was it right?

957
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 6: They could have had that scene in the hospital set

958
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 6: to dah Rude Sandstorm, and I would have forgiven the

959
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 6: music supervisor for that Radiohead drop, which when it hits

960
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 6: is so effective and incredible close to a season. The

961
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 6: song that is about unease, and this song, I mean,

962
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 6: like the lyric that's repeated is yesterday I woke up

963
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 6: sucking a lemon yesterday. I woke up sucking elemon yesterday.

964
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 6: Like this song is about feeling stuck and blocked, and

965
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 6: we get like Matt's growth where he chooses to I'm

966
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 6: not going to just charge in to read. I'm not

967
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 6: I'm going to try to regroup, collect some people, and

968
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 6: I'm not going to do this alone.

969
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: Like the Defenders. Maybe maybe the Defenders.

970
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: I will say.

971
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 6: When Li's commissioner got into the car and was like,

972
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 6: Luke been a while, I was like, I was like,

973
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 6: come on, bra But yeah, the radio Head drop, I

974
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: thought was an incredible way to close out the season,

975
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 6: and I know it's a great way to lead into

976
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 6: the next one, and I like, I said completely forgave

977
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 6: them for what other other music choices they had throughout

978
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 6: the episode, because that Radiohead song is amazing and is

979
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 6: not the kind of thing you would expect to see

980
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 6: in like a Marvel television project. So again agree and

981
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 6: I didn't expect it and therefore I loved it Mountain.

982
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: So okay, let's do so let's I just want to

983
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: say we we were on a we were right roll

984
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: with this episode. Punisher comes back correct, Karen comes back correct,

985
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 3: Foggy that was more of a could it happen?

986
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: It didn't happen. Sorry, today I gotta say.

987
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Someone I was like, oh my, that would have been crazy.

988
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: Fisk becoming like maya kingpin.

989
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: We called that right, Matt taking over the gangs and

990
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: crime families wrong, but I do still think we could

991
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: see that in season two and Matt creating kind of

992
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: a good cop team. Is it going to become Dead

993
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: Devil's Army?

994
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. We also have this.

995
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 3: Was a big episode in the Discord, lots of live watching.

996
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: So I'll start off with a friend, my close friend

997
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: and friend of the poor Nikola Shukla spider Man India author.

998
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: We've had on here before.

999
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 3: How many times in this season? Did mere Fisk say

1000
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: this city?

1001
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: He says it?

1002
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: What are the guesses?

1003
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: Times? He probably says it ten times in episodes, So I'm.

1004
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 5: Gonna yeah, I think I'll say thirteen prices, right, rules,

1005
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 5: I just it was.

1006
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: A lot, alright, yes, if anyone out there. Nine episodes

1007
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 6: in the season, so I'm gonna say he said eighteen times.

1008
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: I think he did average twice to a game. Yeah,

1009
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: twice an episode. Okay, I think it was higher, but yes,

1010
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 3: I like that.

1011
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay. Abel will Ring, one of our.

1012
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: Most loyal and regular Discord users, asked, is Kirsten an

1013
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: established comics character who is a good person? The answer

1014
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: is yes. In the comics she is a good person.

1015
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: She helps Foggy get Matt out of prison. She is

1016
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: a true ally. So no, don't be worried that just

1017
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: because she knew the motion was going to dismiss she

1018
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: was in the comics. If we're going on her personality there,

1019
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: she is not someone who's gonna keep that from Matt

1020
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: or use it against Matt in some way. She probably

1021
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: has not got any connection with Fisk, and hopefully they

1022
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: will expand on her in season two, because I do

1023
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: think that there is a lot they can do there. Jason,

1024
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: can you do Daniel Blake Dead Evil versus Young Oz

1025
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: from Penguin?

1026
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: I believe in him.

1027
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do It's been too

1028
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: long since I've done Young Eyes. But let me try. Uh,

1029
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: let me see young Okay. Uh Hi, I'm Daniel, the

1030
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: deputy mayor for Communications. Who are you? I'm as I am.

1031
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I I like the Maya. I think he's great, and

1032
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: I think everything he's doing is great. And my mom

1033
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: loves him. I love to see him, I love him,

1034
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: meet him perfect.

1035
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: And that was from Playmaker thirty four. We appreciate that.

1036
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Mon Mouffman, really good question here. Is there even

1037
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: a remote chance that we see Spider next season?

1038
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: I think I agree? Zero?

1039
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, Mon Moffman knew it was kind of more

1040
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: of a Sony logistical standpoint, and I don't think that's

1041
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

1042
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, so I like this one too. From Joe's

1043
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: McK one.

1044
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: This is bleak, but after this season, I wouldn't be

1045
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: shocked if we see something similar. Do you think that

1046
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: they just kept Frank so they could kind of hang

1047
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: him in front of the press and same with Jack.

1048
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 5: Do you think coming out?

1049
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, John birth John Bernhal is his ascendant and

1050
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: the punisher is too important a character.

1051
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 6: Do you think and has a hand in writing it too,

1052
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 6: so it will be.

1053
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: Yea yeah yeah.

1054
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: And do you do you think that we will see

1055
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: them basically execute or take a stand on someone like Jack?

1056
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: Seems like a perfect kind of They could kill him

1057
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: in season two and it would feel but we don't know.

1058
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: I feel that Jack Jack's literally done, knowing we've never

1059
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: seen him in his He's never been in his costume.

1060
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: It's like, why is.

1061
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: He He just got in a tiff with Fixed and

1062
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: now he's in.

1063
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: A cage literally. Okay. Final question from le bolu Bu's comment.

1064
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: I like this a lot. This is a good one.

1065
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: Who are some of the other people you would put?

1066
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 6: Like?

1067
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: Who are the other vigilantes in that cage? Is Let's

1068
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: say some which outrage character would you like them to reveal?

1069
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: Joel go for Rhy.

1070
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 5: He was done dirty and Craven.

1071
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: He was done that.

1072
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go for three D Man because I'm obsessed

1073
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: with them.

1074
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: I think he needs to I think they need to

1075
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: bring him in. I also think, look if.

1076
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: Jack Dukaine, the swordsman who's literally just once had a

1077
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: little fight with a fencing night you know sword. Sorry

1078
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 3: to the people who know what that's called. I think

1079
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: it's called a foil. But like I think anyone could

1080
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: be in there, like fisk Is, Like I don't like

1081
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: this guy who puts on his glasses and he could

1082
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: see a scroll, Like that's dumb.

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Speaker 2: Put him in the box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, coming up on x Ray Vision, we

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Speaker 1: have an absolutely jam packed week coming up. Starting off

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Speaker 1: this weekend, we're gonna have our spoiler free reaction to

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Speaker 1: Ryan Coogler's Sinners, and on Tuesday, we'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more Last of Us season two coverage, and then on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and or season two, the first three episodes, we'll

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Speaker 1: be covering it. Plus we're helping you get ready for

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Speaker 1: Marvel's next big blockbuster with our Thunderbolt book Club on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 6: I just also I want to thank the entire x

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Speaker 6: ray team. This group talked about Detective Kim more than

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Speaker 6: the writer's room of Daredevil, So I just I want to.

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Speaker 3: Acknowledge yes for that, Yes, Detective Kim Justice, but Detective

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Speaker 3: give her a Marvel preview and Madison Detective Kim Buddy not.

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Speaker 1: X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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