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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays and the shot a Biglue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. He is David deal Um

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Speaker 1: Lance Meado with you for the next sixty minutes. Thanks

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Speaker 1: get you set for the Giants Colts matchup coming up

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Before we get into that, Dave, let's briefly

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Speaker 1: go over the injury report and the team practiced earlier today.

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Speaker 1: Alec Ogiltree did not practice. He is still going through

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Speaker 1: concussion protocol. And then you had Oldell Beckham, Russell Sheppard

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Speaker 1: and Spencer Pulley both on the side riding the stationary bike.

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Speaker 1: Now we were just in the locker room. Odell talk

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Speaker 1: to the media. Rutherford, that's what you call that. That

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Speaker 1: is a nice term there. You've taken part in No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather run, push in and sit over there and

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Speaker 1: ride the bike and watch practice. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: worst things in the I can only imagine, yes, especially

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Speaker 1: for guys that embrace physicality, and the less that you

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Speaker 1: want to be doing is, you know, watching the meter

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Speaker 1: and the mileage go up, spinning the wheels of that bicycle.

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Speaker 1: But those three players did watch from the side, which

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Speaker 1: David Deal did not have to experience during the course

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Speaker 1: of his career. So right now, as you look at

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Speaker 1: the days, you look at the hours, the Giants are

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Speaker 1: in all likelihood going to have to turn to the

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Speaker 1: depth chart once again for guys to step up. And

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Speaker 1: that really hasn't been anything new this season, Dave, We've

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Speaker 1: seen this throughout the course of the year, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's been encouraging with how some of the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers have stepped up in performed during the course. It

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Speaker 1: is definitely, I mean, this is an opportunity for them

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Speaker 1: as a team and as an organization to continue to

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Speaker 1: evaluate this roster and see who are going to be

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Speaker 1: the pieces of this football team moving forward in and

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Speaker 1: who isn't And as a football player and as somebody

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Speaker 1: out there as a professional, it's onus on you right

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Speaker 1: now to go out and perform at the best of

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Speaker 1: your ability, because, like we've always said, not only is

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Speaker 1: thisience organization evaluating you when adversity is hit, but every

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Speaker 1: other organization is as well too, because they're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to see what type of character player are you? And

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Speaker 1: with two games left, even though the playoffs are out

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Speaker 1: determination and how hard are you going to play in

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Speaker 1: these games? So there is a lot to be said

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Speaker 1: about that. And you know, we always talk about whenever

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Speaker 1: you lose, don't lose the lesson. You know, this season

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Speaker 1: didn't go the way that they thought it would. I

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Speaker 1: think it didn't go the way that anybody thought that

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Speaker 1: it would when you have games in your grip that

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Speaker 1: you let loose. But having said that, these are experiences

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Speaker 1: that you can bold on and move forward in and

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Speaker 1: build momentum going into next season. You know, everybody remembers

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, you know, winning the Super

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Speaker 1: hitting a overtime field goal off of the right post

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Speaker 1: boom to knock us out. Of the playoffs, and those

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Speaker 1: are the experiences that you never forget as a player,

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Speaker 1: knowing that this upcoming season, you're not gonna have any

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Speaker 1: excuses that it's a new season, a new scheme, a

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Speaker 1: new football team. It's gonna come down to performance in productivity. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you hit on a very interesting point because the

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Speaker 1: big question mark looming over the team right now over

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Speaker 1: these next two weeks, and Pat Sherman has been asked

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Speaker 1: know you're mathematically out of it, Well, what the hell

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Speaker 1: do you have to play for? And you know, you

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Speaker 1: just hit it right on the nose, Dave in terms

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Speaker 1: of this is a young roster which I think people

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Speaker 1: easily dismissed. There are so many guys on this roster

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Speaker 1: something good on film to your point to make themselves

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Speaker 1: worthy of getting another contract. Else who are in free agency?

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Speaker 1: No question? And what week is it? It's week six? Team?

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Speaker 1: What day was yesterday? Tuesday? What did every NFL organization

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Speaker 1: agents tryouts. It is a constant competition, especially here towards

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Speaker 1: well that we can see him fit our scheme. Those

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Speaker 1: where you see the future of this roster going. And

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's one thing. There's a big difference

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Speaker 1: with them. And if you're going out there and you're

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Speaker 1: a leader of a football team, it's up to you

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Speaker 1: to lead by example and finish the season. You know, people,

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Speaker 1: I am not going to talk about our organization, but

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, well, you know what does he have to

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Speaker 1: play for their mathematically out He's the star of the team.

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Speaker 1: Your head coach just got fired. There's a riff between

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Speaker 1: A very young football team. What kind of example would

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Speaker 1: you set for them that, Okay, this season is not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere past the playoffs. I'm not going to finish

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Speaker 1: That what our coach said. Because when you start doing that,

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Speaker 1: then what do you do. You start separating the locker room. Well,

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Speaker 1: how come he's sitting out and I'm not sitting out?

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Speaker 1: Well think about that. That's what starts to happen. And

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Speaker 1: that's not the case right now, And that's not the

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Speaker 1: attitude of Dave Guttiman or Pat Sherman. And you love

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Speaker 1: that you're getting paid to be a professional. You're a

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Speaker 1: New York Giant. There is a tradition in the history

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Speaker 1: that you should go out and play as hard and

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Speaker 1: it as hard as possible for the Colts and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys to win these next two games. That's your job.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're supposed to do. And if you are

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Speaker 1: like I said, if you are not going to rein

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Speaker 1: injure yourself and it's not going to get worse, you

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Speaker 1: better be out on the field. There's a distinct difference

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Speaker 1: likely need another procedure. Whereas Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, you could say,

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Speaker 1: I'm the leader of this Yea. There's rookies in this

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Speaker 1: turn it around and turntables towards Odell Beckham Jr. I

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Speaker 1: as a competitor. He lives for the game. He loves

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Speaker 1: doing it at his best. It'd be one thing if

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Speaker 1: You can certainly relate to that and the other part

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Speaker 1: But the team as a whole owes it to the

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Speaker 1: I mean, will he I don't think it's a given

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Speaker 1: that he's going to draft that quarterback that he likes

431
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Speaker 1: over these some other guys. And other positions that he

432
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Speaker 1: really really loves. Uh, what do you think? Well, I

433
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Speaker 1: would agree with you, and I think Dave was gonna

434
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Speaker 1: say this first of all, Jimmy, I mean, I wasn't

435
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Speaker 1: privy to what you talked about the guys yesterday, but

436
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Speaker 1: I'm an agreement with Dave. I don't think anybody should

437
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Speaker 1: go onto the assumption right now that even though Eli

438
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Speaker 1: Manning is getting towards the end of his career and

439
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: they didn't draft a quarterback last year, that they're definitely

440
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Speaker 1: going to utilize their first round pick for a quarterback.

441
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Speaker 1: I I don't think that that's a fair narrative. And

442
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Speaker 1: I think you also need to look at the fact

443
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Speaker 1: that what Dave Getleman did in Carolina. You know, he

444
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Speaker 1: used high picks and he went after other positions. I'm

445
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: not saying they needed a quarterback that camp, but he

446
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: took Christian McCaffrey, took defensive lineman high, he waited on

447
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: offensive lineman sometimes for the fourth round. You know, you

448
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: look at Andrew Norwell, I mean, I was a guy

449
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Speaker 1: that was undrafted, So with his rationale and the Giants

450
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: philosophy of best player available, I don't think you should

451
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Speaker 1: run with the mindset that they're definitely gonna go after

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, even if to have a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: So to answer your question, I think if there's a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher there, and let's say they move on from

455
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Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon, or even if they don't move on from

456
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Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon, you could argue they need a pass rusher

457
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Speaker 1: right now and they could easily go after that position

458
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Speaker 1: of the top ten. Uh okay, uh, you know, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: My point Just to clarify for you guys, My point

460
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Speaker 1: was that that, you know, I appreciate everything that really

461
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Speaker 1: has done and the Super Bowls, but I think clearly though,

462
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Speaker 1: we are at a tipping point and the franchise is

463
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Speaker 1: going to have to you know, address that position and

464
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Speaker 1: get allies uh ultimate replacement in here. I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't doubt that he's going to be the starting quarterback

466
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Speaker 1: in two thousand uh nineteen. But what about and I

467
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: know you've got to worry about the transition. You've got

468
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Speaker 1: to get that replacement. I think on for no other

469
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Speaker 1: reason than financial reasons. I mean, what if you like

470
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Speaker 1: you know, and then uh, Paul, he said, well, you

471
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Speaker 1: know what if you if you gets the really good line.

472
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Giants, you know, have a five for the year,

473
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Speaker 1: they could even go to the playoffs. Well, let's say

474
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Speaker 1: they go to the playoffs and then Eli's contract is expiring,

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Speaker 1: do you Eli for another year? I mean, there's a

476
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Speaker 1: lot of considerations. I think that leads me to believe

477
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Speaker 1: that they have to they have to find that air

478
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Speaker 1: apparent sooner rather than than later. Question. And that's a

479
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Speaker 1: very fair well, Jimmy, And that's a very fair point.

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Speaker 1: We'll let you go on that and appreciate the phone car.

481
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a crazy mindset. That's definitely there

482
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Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed moving forward, no question. But

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Speaker 1: I would also make the argument that, Okay, so let's

484
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Speaker 1: say you have a top ten pick and there is

485
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Speaker 1: a quarterback available, and you could say, well, we need

486
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Speaker 1: to find Elie Manning success is I mean you should

487
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Speaker 1: just take the quarterback for the sakey taking the quarterback.

488
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Speaker 1: You should actually believe that the guy's got potential. So,

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, they may look at the quarterback prospects and

490
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Speaker 1: I haven't done all my homework yet. I mean, I'm

491
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Speaker 1: trying to focus on the remaining and what Indianapolis poses

492
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Speaker 1: as a is to the prospects. But I don't think

493
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Speaker 1: and this is just from me following college football from

494
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: the peripheral, I don't think this quarterback last Dave compares

495
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: anywhere to the substances last year's quarterbacks, So you have

496
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: to take that into consideration too. I want to see

497
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 1: how they perform in their bowl games and how they

498
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: finish out their season because they're gonna be facing a

499
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Speaker 1: lot different competition on a bigger stage than they did

500
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Speaker 1: during the regular season. And then the other factor is

501
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Speaker 1: there are many ways to find the successor of your quarterback. Now.

502
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Speaker 1: I know this is not the popular feeling, but they

503
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: can dig into free agency a little and explore there.

504
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you're going to find your long

505
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Speaker 1: term answer, but this is an organization that found Kerry

506
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Speaker 1: Collins on the free agent market, Dave, and you know

507
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Speaker 1: he built the bridge till they got to Eli Madding,

508
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Speaker 1: So it's very possible that they go that route as well.

509
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Speaker 1: There's going to be competition at every single position for

510
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Speaker 1: their starting position on this roster next year. Each position

511
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Speaker 1: group is going to go through that battle, because not

512
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Speaker 1: only one is it now the second year into the

513
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: tenure of Pat Sherman and Dave Gettleman. But two, Now,

514
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Speaker 1: after identifying the things that you're capable of, your strengths

515
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: or weaknesses, what you need to do to improve your

516
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: football team based upon the start to this season to

517
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Speaker 1: where they are now and how they close this season,

518
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Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna be able to pick and decide

519
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: whether it's going to be a free agent to fill

520
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: that void or if it's going to be through the draft.

521
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of time still left to do

522
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Speaker 1: that evaluation. But he's una percent correct. Yes, there's gonna

523
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: be an evaluation, and there's going to be competition whether

524
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Speaker 1: it's through free agency or through the draft in that

525
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: quarterback room or none. Well, and a lot of it

526
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Speaker 1: also depends and this is what you're just touching on.

527
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Speaker 1: It depends on also some of the other moves they

528
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Speaker 1: make because everybody is concerned the the Eli conversation now

529
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Speaker 1: is focusing Dave a lot on well, the amount of

530
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Speaker 1: money he takes up a cast base. Okay, Eli Manning

531
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Speaker 1: is making good money, like most veteran quarterbacks are. But

532
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Speaker 1: if you start shedding allery elsewhere, then the strain of

533
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: that contract is not the same as maybe what it

534
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: looks like right now, not to mention, there's all different

535
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: ways that you can work to restructure to do different

536
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: things with it. That still helped the cap towards other

537
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: positions on the team. And they've already moved on from Snacks,

538
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: so that's an an area that they're gonna get a

539
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: little FLEXI I'm not saying that it's gonna happen, but

540
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: if they chose to move on from Vernon, that's another

541
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Speaker 1: potential area to create some more financial flexibility. So you know,

542
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: everybody shouldn't look at it is well if they don't

543
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: find the success and then what's gonna happen. Now you're

544
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna tie up too much money in the quarterback, But

545
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: you could also free up money with other positions, which

546
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: is what I think they've started to do based on

547
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: some of the moves they made at the trade deadline.

548
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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three is the telephone number.

549
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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We got Scott

550
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Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Scott, welcome to board. What do you

551
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: got for us? How you doing? We'll tell your mind.

552
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: I want to know just mirror of the first caller

553
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: and which spoke to you? Happy holidays? And I had

554
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Speaker 1: a question for Dave that I was curious about. On

555
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I noticed that a lot of the

556
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: runs that sequlon Barkley is making his sort of like

557
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: inside or or they seal the block and he he

558
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: cuts outside. But I haven't seen, uh, sort of the

559
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: Green Bay sweeps. I haven't seen the guards pulling, and

560
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: I was wondering if there was a reason for that.

561
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: At least in all the games I've been watching, there's

562
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: very few where either Jamal Brown or Will Ken and

563
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: his pulls from their position and sort of creates it

564
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: and creates an edge. And I was wondering, because of

565
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: the Quon Barkley speed, wouldn't that be advantageous for the

566
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Speaker 1: Giants to do well? I mean, it depends on what

567
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: type of game and what type of team that you're

568
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: playing on the defensive side of the ball, whether you're

569
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Speaker 1: trying to work the perimeter more to open up than

570
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: the inside running game, or what you're trying to do

571
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: off of what type of structure that you're running to

572
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: get play action. So if you're going to tight ends,

573
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: you can't pull outside of that because you're just expanding

574
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: and there's no way to edge the defense with two

575
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: tight ends. But if you motion and there's certain ways

576
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: that you can edge a defense where you can pull

577
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: more importantly, where it's easier to get a tackle to

578
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: the outside of the perimeter because things happen so fast

579
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: compared to a guard. So there's a lot of different

580
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: ways scheme wise. But one of the things that you

581
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: have to realize when you want to do all that

582
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: pulling to the perimeter, when you have to do that stuff,

583
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: there's got to be continuity amongst the offensive line that

584
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Speaker 1: there is a pin It's basically what we used to

585
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: say a grenade pin and pull. There's the guy who

586
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: pins to stop the penetration to edge the defense, and

587
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: then there's the puller. When you're having different pieces and

588
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: you're bringing in different tight ends or however you're running

589
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: with your offensive line, if you don't have that continuity,

590
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you're getting penetration at the pin point and that play

591
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: is breaking down. So there's all different ways to go

592
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: about it, and that's something that you're going to see

593
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: to continue to expand, to work the edges and work

594
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: the perimeter. But you know when you are building that

595
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: new continuity with an offensive line and when it's through

596
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: the way. It's much easier to get man on man

597
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: when you're running zone schemes and then trying to work

598
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: off of that. Okay, Uh, the question I have sort

599
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: of similar to the other callers question. I don't know

600
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: if it's even that answerable. Uh. If the Giant should

601
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: lose the last two games, I hope they don't, but

602
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: if they do, their record obviously will be five and

603
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: eleven and it won't be markedly different than the three

604
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: and thirteen season. However, there's been great improvement from year

605
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: from the sixteen from the seventeen season to the eighteen season. Uh.

606
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: That being said, they're about at least as I'm looking

607
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: at at least six or seven players. Uh, they're going

608
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: to have to fill the void in different positions with

609
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: And I was wondering if it's easier to do it

610
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: through free agency or acquiring plays And it is through

611
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: the draft because draft require as players have a learning

612
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: curve and it takes them a little bit longer and

613
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: in order from the Giants to be competitive, really competitive

614
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: next year, is it easier to acquire players? And it

615
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: is through the draft. And I was just curious what

616
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: your opinions were on, I'm gonna have to say to

617
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: you that there's no guarantee that there should be a

618
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: learning curve when it comes to a college player, because

619
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Speaker 1: you're scouting those players not only because of their athletic ability,

620
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: but what their strengths are that they can bring to

621
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Speaker 1: the scheme that you run. What round pick was I?

622
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: I was a fifth round pick? Was there a big transition?

623
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Speaker 1: Was there a reason why I was able to be

624
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: a starter rookie year? Yeah? I ran a pro style

625
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: offense for five years under Ron Turner to where I

626
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: ran the same thing at the University of Illinois, to

627
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: where I didn't have to learn a whole new offense.

628
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I switched around the terminology and that's all I had

629
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Speaker 1: to do, and that was one of the reasons why

630
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: I started my rookie year. So to sit here and

631
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: say that you can't say that about everybody. It's Bay Stepond,

632
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: what player you pick, what scheme is from coming from,

633
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: and what you're gonna do to implement him into your team.

634
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter whether it's a free agent or whether

635
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: it's through the draft. It's based upon where you're putting

636
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: that player and what you're asking him to do right,

637
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I appreciate the insight, guys, it's got

638
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Look at the Colts, for example, they drafted Quentin else At,

639
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Braydon Smith, Darius Leonard as their top three picks, and

640
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: all those guys are now stoughters year one. And you know,

641
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: I think probably Leonard coming out of South Carolina State,

642
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a guy that everybody thought was going to

643
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: have such an immediate impact. But the system fits his strengths.

644
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: They played into his strengths very well. The too offensive

645
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: linemen have had opportunities and the rest is history. Personally,

646
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: if you get back to the angle of the conversation

647
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call, thanks so much for weighing in.

648
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: With respect to finances. Ideally, you always want to find

649
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: those impact players dave through the draft, so that for agency,

650
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna be on a rookie pay

651
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: scale and you're not necessarily gonna have to make such

652
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: an indentation into the salary cap. But I think all

653
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: good teams, have you got the playoff contenders, they always

654
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: find those under the radar free agent additions that ultimately

655
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: bring them over the top. I mean, look at the Giants.

656
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: For example, this year, Dave Gettleman turned to a number

657
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: of players that he had familiarity with in Carolina. Russell

658
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Shepherd's probably one of those under the radar great additions

659
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and look at what he's done on special teams. He

660
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: saw all those years when in Tampa Bay when he

661
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: was on the Carolina staff. Absolutely so I got Russell

662
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: Sheppard when I was out calling games and called Tampa games.

663
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: He was one of the first guy and I remembered

664
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Speaker 1: because of his play on special teams. So those guys,

665
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with relying on free agency. What you

666
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: don't want to have to do every offseason is what

667
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: the Giants did a few years ago, Dave, where they

668
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: had to bring in Genoa's Jenkins Olivier verning because the

669
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: draft picks didn't turn out, and then you have to

670
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: spend that money through free agency because you're not building

671
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: from the inside out. Same thing you think about in

672
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and eleven are two Super Bowls.

673
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Who are our safeties are w mccorder and Dion Grant.

674
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: They weren't high name guys, they weren't guys that were

675
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: perennial Pro Bowlers, but they were tough, hard working, and

676
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: they fit our scheme perfectly. And they were veteran players.

677
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: They weren't making tons of money, but they were making

678
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: great money and they fit their scheme and what coach

679
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Bagnola was doing perfectly. And on that subject, Michael Thomas

680
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: would be another guy that would bring up with respect

681
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: to the Giants, perfect safety, versatile players, special teams. Like

682
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: Russell Shephard. He didn't have to break up in the

683
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: piggy bank. But a guy that's good in the locker room,

684
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: good leadership, and clearly is now proving his true value

685
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: with Landed Collins down and having to slide into his

686
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: starting role. Those are the free agents that good teams

687
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: find in addition to what they do in the draft.

688
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: And those are the free agents. To get back to

689
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Scott's question that I think you want to find next

690
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: offseason in addition to who he brings in with the

691
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: upcoming drift. Absolutely great point. Lance. Let's head back to

692
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: the phone lines. We got Mark in Connecticut. Mark, welcome aboard.

693
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: You're on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Marco. Excuse me, Marco,

694
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's Mark in Chicago. Okay, we went from

695
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: market Connecticut to Marco in Connecticut to Mark in Chicago.

696
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Our apologies, yes, Mary, Christmas guy. If you recall we

697
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: met over and Detroit, absolutely, I remember we took a

698
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: pict from me you and Schmilk. I remember, my man. Yeah.

699
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, I am going down to the Colts game.

700
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I just I know when you're playing a bet life

701
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: if you can meet up with the pregame crew. Is

702
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: there anything down in indeed that I could do to

703
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: meet up with schmalk or Detino or is it pretty

704
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: much in away game and nothing there. I don't understand

705
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: why you want to go out of your way to

706
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: meet Smoke at the Tino. That's number one, Mark, But

707
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough time remaining on this program

708
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: to hash out those things. Normally, I know when the

709
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: guys are on the road, because Jeff and I are

710
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: gonna be back in studio. They normal do the pregame

711
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: from up in the broadcasts, so they're not necessarily gonna

712
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: be out. Like when we're at home. For home games,

713
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: we're out on the stage round and about around the Standard.

714
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: It's a little bit easier to access us for road games.

715
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: I know they're solely stuck up in the boot, because

716
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that's the only place where you get the connection and

717
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: the radio to where you can do everything exactly. And

718
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonna bore you with the I, S, d

719
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: N lines and all that other good stuff. But that

720
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: all right, Well, I thought in here, let's go, well

721
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: what I would do? Mark? Though, in all seriousness, if

722
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: you reach out to maybe John or Paul on social media,

723
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: they may be able to give you some rationale or

724
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: reason maybe where they can go to to meet up

725
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: with you, but as it stands right now, they're normally

726
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: tied up in the booth before the game. Yeah, okay,

727
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm probably one of your older listeners. I've been a

728
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: fans in fifty nine and we had season tickets in

729
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: our family for over sixty years. And you know, I've

730
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: been through this rodeo before where we've gone through some downturns,

731
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: and I've been through several down terms where you have

732
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: years like two thousand, seventeen years in a row. So

733
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, to people that can you know, say what

734
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: we should tank the last games? You know, to me,

735
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: if you those are people that I starting to think

736
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: maybe you've never played competitive sports. If you wanted to

737
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: develop a winning culture, you have to win and you

738
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: don't tank the last games of the year. And speaking

739
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: as a former season ticket holder, you know, and nowadays

740
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: you're spending over a thousand dollars to buy a seat

741
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: to a game. You know, I want to see him win.

742
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't want and that's what you deserve as a fan.

743
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah and go in. Yeah, Well I'm an agreement with you.

744
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Dave and I were talking about this earlier. I don't

745
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: think that, even though some fans may argue that, I

746
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: don't think that's anywhere near the conversation in that locker

747
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: room right now with that team, because, as I meag you,

748
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: if you look at the makeup of this roster, you

749
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of young guys and a number

750
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: of free agents that are going to be test being

751
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: the market that don't have the luxury to say, you

752
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: know what, we'll hang up the jersey for the final

753
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: two games, will just go through the motion. So not

754
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: to mention to think about this, How would a field

755
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: to end the season just to tank the game up

756
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys and then to have to hear from

757
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans for the rest of the year would be

758
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever, That's what nothing you do and

759
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: that's something you don't do as a Giant and the

760
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: Giants fan. Yeah, I agree, and to me, you know,

761
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: I know John Marris said that he wanted the team

762
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: to be good, and I think Paul said earlier before

763
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: the season, a good would be nine and seven. Well,

764
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, we've been here a lot of coast games,

765
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and maybe if a couple of rest calls had gone

766
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: one way and a guy hadn't made his career long

767
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: field goal, we'd be seven and seven. So I think

768
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: we're a lot closer than maybe what people think. And again,

769
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: we need to promote the winning culture, which I think

770
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: is what Shermer is doing. But David, I had a

771
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: couple of offensive line questions for you, more of the

772
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts, you know, over when you when can

773
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: you explain to me when you hear the signals that

774
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Eli does when he goes up to the line, you

775
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: know what you know? And we talk about calling up

776
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: blocking schemes and so forth, can you sort of run

777
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: through maybe what the sequences and you don't have to

778
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: use the terminology that they're using today, but maybe when

779
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: you play, you know, what does what does all that mean?

780
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: I know, they're you know, he's looking at where everyone

781
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: is in the linemen, are you know, calling out the

782
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: mic and so forth? Can you sort of go through

783
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: that and what do you all means? So basically, when

784
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: you come up and whether it's the center or the

785
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: quarterback identifying fifty two the mic, basically what you're doing

786
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: is you're identifying for the offense and for the offensive line,

787
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the defense of where your field the

788
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: strength and the weaknesses, the strengths the strong side the

789
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: weak side are. It doesn't necessarily always have to be

790
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker based upon where the safety could be

791
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: or where they've adjusted their defense, but you're doing that

792
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: so that you know, as an offense, if it's in

793
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: the past protection okay, he's the mic. Now everybody knows

794
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: who's responsible for the Mike Sam will and then you

795
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: get your protections off of that. So then what you

796
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: have Mike call might call. Okay, Now you go through

797
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: your progression of what the run play is or what

798
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: the past play is, so that you're gonna make a

799
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: play call or a something at the line of scrimmage

800
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna indicate Okay, we're either slide of protection here,

801
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line is responsible for whoever, or you're running

802
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: a specific scheme out of a zone running play. Those

803
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: are the types of things that you hear at the

804
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage where you hear lucky ringo, all those

805
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: those are all terminology that are just once again reaffirming

806
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: what you're doing as a group and identifying it to

807
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the offense. Those things change, You switch them each and

808
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: every week. You change them. You try to come up

809
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: with stuff that's creative. Um, you know, like what you

810
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: should say, Um, Bruce Bruce. You know that we used

811
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: to be a check because what was Bruce Bruce is

812
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: the boss bosses you pulled outside guard or tackle you seel.

813
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: So then once people start picking up on that, you

814
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: always have to change that terminology. And that's something you do.

815
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: I know with the wide receivers and the quarterbacks, each

816
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: and every week they change the hand signals so that

817
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: it's not the same thing, so that that defense doesn't

818
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: get that pre snap recognition of what you're doing and

819
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: identify it, so it triggers something that they may have

820
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: caught on film the previous week. And a lot of

821
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: times you do that. There's times you're making all those

822
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: calls and it's smoking mirrors. You're just making that stuff

823
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: to make the think, to make the defense even. It's

824
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: just for that split second to think and not react.

825
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: That's where you get those double teams going. That's where

826
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: you get things going until it backfires against you. And

827
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: that happened to Rich and I. We're running a protection.

828
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: We're down in the in the red zone. We're like,

829
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: all right, me and him make a run call. We're like, okay,

830
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman's gonna submarine. We'll be able to dig

831
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: him out. Easy play action. We make the call. We

832
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: checked to the run tackle for a two yard loss

833
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: that it traces in the backfield. We outsmarted ourselves, got

834
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: away from here there on that one. Yeah, so goes

835
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: up there and he's counting up. Is that sort of

836
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: set the sequence of how things happen? He see something

837
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: there that says, okay, we need to do this kind

838
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: of protection or blocking scheme. Or is it strictly within

839
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: the lineman. No, it depends that it can happen each

840
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: and every time. Sometime the lineman can call stuff out

841
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: and they're just talking to the offensive lineman, to the

842
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: tight end and to the running back, not even to

843
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But then if the quarterback is in the

844
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: cadence and all of a sudden he sees a stem

845
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: or a safety, he can overrule it because he sees

846
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: where the blitz is coming from. Right, Okay, good? And

847
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: one last thing in terms of technique. You know, when

848
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I see these guys that go up to the line,

849
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: and you know when I played, if you'd had any

850
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: movement on the line that was you know, illegal procedure.

851
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I see the guys waving their arms. He's like the

852
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: center when he's already said. And then guys will move

853
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: their arms but they don't call me him. But if

854
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: they just twitch with their foots, it's a penalty. So

855
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: is there is there some sort of rules or regulations

856
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: that take what kind of movement you can do on

857
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: the line. I mean, yeah, there's obviously they'll throw a

858
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: flat if it's a sudden movement. Obviously you can make

859
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: signals with your hands as long as it's not abrupt.

860
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can do stuff where you signal to

861
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: the running back. Like there's certain times in the protection

862
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: you see something that you as an offensive lineman want

863
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: to take care of it because it's in the a

864
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: gap and you know the running back will never be

865
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: able to get there to stop a run through. So

866
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: as an offensive line, you may signal to him if

867
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: you're on the road because he's not gonna be able

868
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: to hear you. You see a lot of times where

869
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: the center, you know, you see a silent count where

870
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the center is going underneath. Then he's picking his head

871
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: back up, and then he's going underneath. The problem with

872
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: that is that when the clock starts going down and

873
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: he goes to put his head underneath, a lot of

874
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: defenses stem so when he goes to pick his head

875
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: back up, it's a different look than what it was

876
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: initially when he had his head down. Then you're trying

877
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: to change the protection the clocks. Then you get a

878
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: delay a game. So that's where you see the guards.

879
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Now the center always has his up highs up because

880
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: he's taking care of the protection, and the guards looking

881
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: back at the quarterback to see when he ready, and

882
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: then once the quarterback signals, then the guard turns back

883
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: around and tafts the center, and that's what gets to

884
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: the snap count going as well. That's why communication is Okay,

885
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it's not a cliche, but we're gonna talk about this

886
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: detail in David. Now we know why offensive line another

887
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: than the quarterback or the smartest guys on the field.

888
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: That's why we love guys from Chicago to Market. They're

889
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: smart as well. Thanks so much for waging in. Yeah,

890
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: that's two connections there today and the hometown Illinois. How

891
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: about that? It was great it got to meet him

892
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: in um in Detroit. He came up. We had the

893
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: joint practices during Great Giants Fan awesome, very cool. Well,

894
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: clearly he is now maybe in position to meet some

895
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: of the other members of our group come Indianapolis. Paul

896
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Latito never turns down an opportunity to Jael with fans,

897
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: so I can assure you that if he can find

898
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: a way, he will certainly take advantage of that. Let's

899
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: head back to the lines. Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland,

900
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Len welcome to board. What do you got for us? Hey?

901
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: How you doing guys? Good? Well, I'm I'm hanging in there.

902
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I I gotta tell you that that game on Sunday

903
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: took a lot out of me. Me too, boy, physically

904
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: and mentally especially resolutely absolutely you know, um, I wish

905
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: I had seen a little more passion, a little more emotion.

906
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Tennessee is good. Let's not take it away from them.

907
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: They're good. They were better than us. I just wished

908
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: I'd seen a little more emotion and a little more passion.

909
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: You know, you're both of you guys on your introductions ever.

910
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: You know, I jumped up all jumped off off the

911
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: counch and said, put me in. Coach, you were you

912
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: were right on. I mean, it was were good, good

913
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: opening presentations. Um, you want to sometimes bother the players

914
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: here it that way, and I from my perspective, I

915
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: didn't see that on Sunday. Again, credit to Tennessee. Good

916
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: football team. Good football team. But we got we got

917
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: rearranged on Sunday. I mean they pushed this around them

918
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: both furniture. You know, you moved into you moved into

919
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: a house. You put the furniture down, and somebody says,

920
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, the council is in in the right place,

921
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: let's move it somewhere else. Yeah, well they won everywhere

922
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: they were. They were pushing him around. As Mike Tyson said,

923
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: everybody has a game plan until they get punched in

924
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: the mouth. And they too. And that's why this game

925
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: coming up South Carolina State forty five years ago. Our

926
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: fourth round pick was a guy from South Carolina State.

927
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: Anybody remember who that was. I wasn't even born line

928
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: Harry Carson, the Hary Carson nineteen seventy four fourth round draft,

929
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: Troye South Carolina State. How did that work out? If her? Yeah? Yeah,

930
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's beginning to sound like I'm not

931
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna see Backham on. We're not going

932
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: to see backham on Sunday. But I was kind of

933
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: looking forward to that, you know, kind of a fast

934
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: track indoors. You don't get a chance to see these

935
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: guys playing indoors that much. And uh, you know, you

936
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: you start thinking, man, Beckham's going to run whild and

937
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: that's hopefully We're not saying the same thing about a

938
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: couple of the comments, if you will allow me here, Um,

939
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: this is just my philosophy and I'm not suggesting anything

940
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: that the Giants should do. Here. Um, if you draft

941
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the first round, you have to start

942
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: that quarterback by week eight or you've or you've wasted

943
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: the pick. Not necessarily, Patrick Mahomes didn't start. You know,

944
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of examples. That's why I said my

945
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: personal opinion, my personal opinion. And remember what we did

946
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: with Eli. We started Eli, we were doing pretty well

947
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: with Court Warnery quarterback record. Well, I will say this,

948
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: we were not doing well. I was a member of

949
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: that football team in the offensive line, and we were

950
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: digressing as an offense. So I completely and will show

951
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: you factually in games that we were not doing that. Okay, okay,

952
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: And I'll have to take that. I mean, you were David,

953
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: so I'll have to I'll have to accept that. But

954
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: I always think back of Eli in that first season

955
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: getting getting thrown out there, and and we saw it

956
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: this year with all even even Lamar Jackson, and of

957
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: course the quarterback got hurt, but still he got in

958
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: there and now he's he's taking over too. So that

959
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: how did we finish that season when I came in

960
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback? You got a plan. But I'll think that anyway.

961
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: But right, so, gonna lock in with Eli like you got.

962
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: You got Philip Rivers who was drafted behind Drew Brees,

963
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: and unlike Eli, he sat for a few years. Another example,

964
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers sat Behyddred Farve. So you know those two

965
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: guys last time I checked turned out well and they

966
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: didn't even see the field their rookie years. At Lance,

967
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: you're making it, you're making it sound like I shouldn't

968
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: be a general manager, and you're probably right. We just

969
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: we just perspective there. That's just kind of my philosophy.

970
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: But to say that it would be it on this

971
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: team if we if we draft, go ahead and draft

972
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback, we need to play that quarterback or it's

973
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: a waste to pick because we've got too many. You

974
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: can't say that because you don't know the performance of

975
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: what's taking place everywhere else. And if that players really future,

976
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: he may not. But at that point, if he's not ready,

977
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to throw him to the fire. And

978
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: and Len, here here's you draft the quarterback in the

979
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: first round, then he's not ready. David, you've made a

980
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: bit thick. Well no, let yeah, see here's where I

981
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: agree with David once again, disagree with you. And this

982
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: is what this is where I think, No, it's it's

983
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: a good conversation, but this is where I think maybe

984
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: some fans miss the point of the draft. The draft

985
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: when you pick a guy in the first round. And

986
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman, I'll even quote him first of all, you

987
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: want to find the guy that's going to Canton. That's

988
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal Number two. Though you're not drafting him

989
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: for two thousand nineteen, Len, you're not your your vision

990
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: of the guys who bring in is not get him

991
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: on the field to two thousand nineteen. Let him flash

992
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: and let's see what happens down there that potential HiT's productivity. Right.

993
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: You you talk about you want this guy to produce

994
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: for you through the remainder of the rookie contract and

995
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: then earn another rookie. You wanted to be a ten

996
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: year investment. If you're just drafting a guy to gain

997
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: on the field in year one, then I would say

998
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: you're not thinking right and picking the guy. Yeah, but listen,

999
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: you guys are making great arguments, and that that's why

1000
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I started out by saying this was my own personal philosophy,

1001
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: and along along with that, I think you can sense

1002
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: today after Sunday's game, a little frustration and where we're

1003
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: going and and the way it's going along. We're you know,

1004
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: we we can talk about how bad the seventies were

1005
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: and so forth, and you know, previous choler we talked

1006
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: about ups and downs, and so we're We're in historic

1007
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: territory for this team in terms of wins and losses.

1008
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: You gotta go back forty years. You can't even find

1009
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: it in the sixteen games season. If we don't win

1010
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: another game, and the totals for the last two seasons

1011
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: of eight, You've got to go back to the fourteen

1012
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: game season to find two in a row that produced

1013
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: as little as eight wins. I mean, we're in historic

1014
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: territory for numbers. We gotta win football games. I mean,

1015
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: this is getting you know, I mean, it's it's it's

1016
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: it's almost laughable. I mean, come on, we gotta get

1017
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: players on the field who are gonna win games. I

1018
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: mean again, you know, I looked at I spent about

1019
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: five minutes looking back records back to as far as

1020
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty to find two seasons that could be as

1021
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: bad to two seasons together consecutive season that could be

1022
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: as bad as this in terms of wins and losses season.

1023
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: And you were talking late. Listen, I understand your frustration.

1024
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: I get your point, but listen, perspectives important here, and

1025
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: this is not a defense of this organization, but can

1026
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: you imagine you in the same room as a Buffalo

1027
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Bills and the Cleveland Browns fan and you telling them

1028
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: and complaining to them about the fact that you're now

1029
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: experiencing two rough back to back seasons as a fan

1030
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: and what they've had to go through during the course

1031
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: of their entire lifespan. Now, I know the Bills had

1032
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: four straight Super Bowl appearances, but since then it's been

1033
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: a very rough going. What about Cleveland, I mean since

1034
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: Belichick left there when they tasted the postseason. So you know,

1035
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: it's all about perspective. I get your frustration. I understand

1036
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, and you want your team to

1037
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: be competitive and knock on the door of the playoffs

1038
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: every year. But if you put the Giants next to

1039
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the league, it's not as bad as

1040
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: you're making it out to be. That's my point. Well,

1041
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: I'll come back after the season and argue that point

1042
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: with the lance that's perfect things. We're here today because

1043
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: really we've got two more games and I just want

1044
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: to say, you know, go Giants, Let's win these two games.

1045
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: I hope I get the CEO doll on Sunday, but

1046
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, if we don't, that's the way it goes.

1047
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: But I think it's still a game that we can

1048
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: win if we play well. You know, let's get out

1049
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: there and and and you know, and play hard and

1050
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: try to you know, try to play well and not

1051
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: drop the ball and make some blocks, make some good

1052
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: tackles and uh, you know, hang in there within this

1053
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: especially after this game up against the Tennessee Titans. That's

1054
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: what we need to see out of this football team

1055
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: to build not only just saying well they won four

1056
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: the last six. What have you done for me lately?

1057
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: It's about how you finished, starting with this game with

1058
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: the effort, all out intensity and making sure that when

1059
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: you leave the field, not only this Sunday, but next Sunday,

1060
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: that you better not have a regret as a football player,

1061
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: because you know what that regret's gonna do. It's gonna

1062
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: get you off of this roster. David, thank you very

1063
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: much for saying that. I really do appreciate that. And

1064
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: give me give me up. I promise just twenty more seconds,

1065
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, well, let me let me just

1066
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: end up by saying, David, you know you you know,

1067
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: you really got it right. Um. There are going to

1068
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: be a lot of changes, but I don't think this

1069
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: much we can tell about these players that we don't

1070
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: already know now, David, except give me a little emotion.

1071
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Will you please give me a little passion out there

1072
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: on the field. Mean, come on, nobody's going to do

1073
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: anything in the next two weeks that's going to change

1074
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: our mind. I mean, we've seen them to count preseason,

1075
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: we've seen him for eighteen games, and we've had them

1076
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: all year. I mean, we know what these guys can

1077
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: do and what they can't do, what their strengths and

1078
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: weaknesses aren't. Just give me a little passion, give me

1079
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: a little emotion. I'll be proud of you. At the

1080
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: end of the two weeks. Let's go joints. He was

1081
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: talking about change, and yeah, they're clearly gonna evaluate this

1082
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: roster come the off season, David, and they're gonna continue

1083
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: make changes. But I always go back this before you continue.

1084
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: Two thousand three was my rookie season, getting drafted in

1085
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: the fifth round. We know how that season turned out.

1086
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: Coach Fossil ends up getting fired two thousand and four.

1087
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Coach Coughlin comes in. By two thousand and five, one

1088
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: eleven games from the OH three roster to the OH

1089
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: five roster. There were thirteen of us left. That's it.

1090
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: They've already that this season, in one year alone, there

1091
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: are gonna be a difer to this football team. And

1092
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: the one thing that you've heard not only from John Mara,

1093
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: but from Dave Gentleman, from Pat Shermer, they're gonna do

1094
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get this roster and this football

1095
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: team right and back to the championship culture. So you

1096
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: know that they are looking at these players, they are

1097
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: identifying the strengths and weaknesses and if they're going to

1098
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: be a part of the future. And that's why these

1099
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: games are so important to them, not only as them

1100
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: as a player, but to this organization to see what

1101
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: is the true character of the guys we have now

1102
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: and who are going to be a part of the

1103
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: solution and who are part of the problem. Well, you

1104
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: hit on exactly what I was getting, which is I

1105
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: think when people start saying, well, there should be a

1106
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: lot more changes come the off season, keep in mind,

1107
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: as they mentioned, thirteen players from last year are currently

1108
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: on the rosters. They've already turned over in entire roster. Essentially,

1109
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there's not still room for improvement.

1110
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: But you can't always every single year say we're gonna

1111
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: completely get rid of the fifty three bringing a new

1112
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: fifty three, then you're never gonna build continuent And not

1113
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: to mention after that, when you make a point and

1114
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: realize that something's not working, like the Giants did with

1115
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: Patrick o'mammy, they realized and identified that it wasn't gonna work,

1116
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: that it wasn't going to move forward. They addressed it

1117
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: the meeting. Not only does that say it's a completely

1118
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: different way of going about things since they were in

1119
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: the past here, but not to mention you don't think

1120
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: that sends ripples around the locker room that way. That

1121
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: guy just signed a contract, and if he's not safe

1122
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: based upon how he's playing, that doesn't mean that I'm safe.

1123
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: Everybody's expendable bas there are There are no more scholarships

1124
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: are even a first round pick like Eric Flowers now

1125
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: grant that Gettleman didn't draft him, but he got every opportunity.

1126
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. They moved out. One of the

1127
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: most difficult things in life, not just in football, to

1128
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: your point is to admit to yourself for the rest

1129
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: of the rule that you came up short on a

1130
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: decision or it didn't pan out. The way you wanted,

1131
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're willing as opposed to you know what,

1132
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: let's try to squeeze a little bit more out of him,

1133
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Let's see how the season plays out, will deal with

1134
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: it after that. No, they basically said, you know what,

1135
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: the right side of the offensive line is not getting

1136
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: the job done. Instead of us waiting for the off season,

1137
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: let's just get rid of it to evaluate new guys

1138
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: for the second half of the season, and if they

1139
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: can't do it, we will get somebody who will. Well,

1140
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: because you could look at it this way, Dave, you

1141
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: could have said, you know what, we'll maybe go after

1142
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: Jamon Brown in the off season because he's intriguing us,

1143
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: or we'll get Jamon Brown in here, will put him

1144
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: on tape, and then we'll be able to determine is

1145
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: this guy actually worth retaining moving forward? And then by

1146
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: doing that, what do you do you end that evaluation process, now,

1147
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: excuse me, instead of going through mini camps and O

1148
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: t s and all that stuff. Then to address at

1149
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: that point and then try to figure out before training camp, Well,

1150
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: who can ill spring in here as a free agent?

1151
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: If you would identify the problem, Now, what does it

1152
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: get you closer to the solution. For you're moving ahead

1153
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: of the process. That's essentially what you're doing. All right,

1154
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: let's try to squeeze in another phone all here. As

1155
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: we near the end of the program, The Big Blue

1156
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: Kick Off Live, Jose is in Orlando. Jose, welcome U board.

1157
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Hey? Ls, how are

1158
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: you guys doing? Hey David, how are you doing well?

1159
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Happy new you know, I just want to say happy

1160
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: New Year to you guys. Wish you guys the best.

1161
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: I love your show. It's been since I called. So

1162
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: I just listening to everyone talking about looking forward to

1163
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: us closing out the year on a positive note. Always

1164
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: want the New York Giants to win. I'm not one

1165
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: of those fans and looking for a draft pick because

1166
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the best player available regardless of position,

1167
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: I believe. And it's if people say quarterbacks, I don't

1168
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: honestly think that a quarterback is going to be number

1169
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: one for us to pick up that high. We do

1170
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: pick tense to honestly don't see a quarterback. And I

1171
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: agree with you, LANs, I can see us possibly trying

1172
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback in bridge to bridge to have

1173
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: another quarterback. I honestly believe that Eli will be with

1174
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: us in two thousand and nineteen. UM, I think he

1175
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: deserves it. And uh, I know, yes, he's coming to

1176
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: the tail of his career, but you know what, UM,

1177
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: we'll take the steps moving forward. Just one thing I

1178
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: wanted to say, uh, Lance and David, is that I

1179
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: actually agree with some of the things that Lens said.

1180
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: And I know, putting everything in perspective, how lucky we

1181
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: are to have four Super Bowl winning teams and and

1182
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and uh us to Buffalo Bills and teams like Cleveland

1183
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: that you know, had years and years of misery. I

1184
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: think uh. And not to sound like having an elitist

1185
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: mentality or anything like that, but us as New York

1186
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: Football Giants fans, we are fans of the New York

1187
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: Football Giants, and it's a story franchise and as fans

1188
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: were expect winning, we expect nothing from the best from

1189
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: our franchise. Like Mr Marin, Mr Tissu, and just with

1190
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: that said, a lot like the New York Yankees. We

1191
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: expect our team to be in it. So it's hard

1192
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: for New York Giants fans to see UH consistent seasons

1193
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: of losing it's hard to them a swallow being with

1194
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: so much expected to believe. We're not only employees, and

1195
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm not only a former two time Super Bowl player

1196
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: for the Giants. We're fans too. You don't think we

1197
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: feel the effects of it. You think doing a postgame

1198
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: show after the Titans game was as fun as doing

1199
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: the one after the Bears game. It affects all of us.

1200
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: So I completely understand where you're coming from, and that's agreeable,

1201
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: But you have to understand that what was the process

1202
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: that got us to hear that we're there now? Like

1203
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: we were just talking about finding solutions through the draft,

1204
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: through free agency, and that's something that we're all going

1205
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: to have to see moving forward, because it does start

1206
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: for the New York Giants from the inside out, from

1207
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: drafting players that are born and bled wearing the red,

1208
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: white and blue. I'll never forget what it was like

1209
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: for me as a rookie, you know, starting games as

1210
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: an twenty one year old in the NFL, looking around

1211
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: the locker room and seeing Tiki Barber and a Monti

1212
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: tumor in Michael Strahan, thinking to myself, if I work hard,

1213
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: if I sacrifice and dedicate myself, to this organization that

1214
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: believed in me I could be a Giant for my

1215
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: my entire career and for life. And those are the

1216
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: things that you send when you do have successful drafts

1217
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: and you do have players that are all bought into

1218
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: this organization. And that's what they're getting back to right now.

1219
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I'll tell you

1220
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: one thing. I'm excited as a Giant San. I know

1221
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot of Giant sands don't have patience. I, on

1222
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: the other hand, do because I understand the process that

1223
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: we have. We have a lot of young players now

1224
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: that are coming up. Um, we might be doing some

1225
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: things in free agency, maybe for you have some money,

1226
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: who knows. But I do like the process that Gettleman

1227
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: is an old school Giant. He was with us from

1228
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: the very beginning. And I understand that. I understand the

1229
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: process of what it's like. You have to build guys.

1230
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: And I actually called and I spoke uh to a

1231
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: couple of guys. I don't know if it was Saul

1232
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: and Paulie about I said, you know what, the Giants

1233
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: probably won't be in the playoffs, so maybe you know

1234
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: or because you have to build it. I'll be happy

1235
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: there in the great but you have to be realistic.

1236
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: We're building that offensive line. We need to build that

1237
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: defensive line. Honestly, if the Giants get a free agent

1238
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: quarterback during free agency and and decide that they want

1239
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: to build get an offensive lineman and the defensive lineman

1240
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: in the draft with one and two, I won't be

1241
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: upset with that because honestly I don't. I don't see

1242
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: us picking Haskin is taking him at number one overall,

1243
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, as far as ten to go. But and

1244
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: to go along with that, not only was it Earnie

1245
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: a Coursi who pushed from me or Jim McNally to

1246
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: draft me into two thousand injury three draft who wrote

1247
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: up my draft evaluation in grade, that would be a

1248
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: Mr Dave gentleman, right, And you know what, we just

1249
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: have to I like Dave. I like that, I like

1250
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: his attitude. He's actually molded right with Ernie. Ernie basically

1251
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: came up the same way. So guys need to understand

1252
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: that as fans that you know, we have to trust

1253
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: the process. And it's starting to work. I mean people say, oh, Eli, man,

1254
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: he's you know, throwing this or getting fact or whatever,

1255
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna build a great offensive line, obviously, David.

1256
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: You know this. You're not gonna build a great offensive

1257
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: line in the season for two seasons. You have to

1258
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: build cohesiveness with that offensive line, understand the scheme, and

1259
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: we'll go from there. I think defensively where we need

1260
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: to go from now, and we'll see what happens. Maybe

1261
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: get another couple of offensive linemen. But guys, listen, I

1262
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: appreciate everything that you guys do. Gonna keep calling back.

1263
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome, lands really good insight. Keep doing

1264
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and thank you so much. Guys. I

1265
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: have a happy new appreciate the phone call. The Colts

1266
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys two examples of teams that built their

1267
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: offensive lines through the draft. And I think what we're

1268
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: emphasizing is how important the draft is and what the

1269
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: Giants are doing now is they're trying to make up

1270
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: for all of the shortcomings that came up through drafts.

1271
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: And we're not just talking about one or two years, Dave.

1272
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, a five six year period

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Speaker 1: where there are entire draft classes that were unproductive. Think

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Speaker 1: about this. In two thousand and three, I was part

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Speaker 1: of an offensive line group that was all the worst

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Speaker 1: in the NFL with Rich Soyberg by two thousand and five,

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Speaker 1: think of the additions Sean O'Hara, christne Karee mackenzie. It

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Speaker 1: took two seasons to get there. But once we got

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Speaker 1: there and we got that continuity, what do you know,

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Speaker 1: you get results and guys stayed durable to which is

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Speaker 1: another your group stayed on the field, which is so

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Speaker 1: important with respecting the offensive line. But it was the

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Speaker 1: combination of the draft and free agents. Here there, Shawn

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Speaker 1: O'Hara taking a chance on him, bringing him in a

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Speaker 1: new Jersey guy there you go, and him, you know,

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Speaker 1: clicking with the rest of the crew just real quickly

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Speaker 1: before we closed things out. The guy from the time

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Speaker 1: from his days with the Jets and coming over having

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Speaker 1: familiarity with the stadium. So forth. Nineteen sixty four to

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, the Giants didn't make the playoffs once every

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Speaker 1: single year during that stretch. Now they are in the

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Speaker 1: midst of missing the playoffs or six out of seven years.

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Speaker 1: But for those of you historical guys and gals, six

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Speaker 1: out of seven compared to nineteen sixty four to nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty without any postseason appearances were not even in the

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Speaker 1: same conversation. Yet if you really want yes, So that's

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Speaker 1: why I said, understand the frustration, understand the impatience. I

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Speaker 1: think every fan can relate to that. But if you

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Speaker 1: look through the archives, this is nothing compared to what

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Speaker 1: the Giants went through back in the day a few

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Speaker 1: decades ago. That is gonna wrap things up for us.

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Speaker 1: Certainly appreciate all the tweeters as well as all the

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Speaker 1: phone calls. Want to remind you Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Absolutely, Merry Christmas, Happy holidays everyone. I echo

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Speaker 1: is sentiments for David Deal on Lance Meadow. Will speak

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Speaker 1: to you tomorrow right here on Giants dot Com. I'm

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Speaker 1: a going