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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome back once again to

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Speaker 2: the campus of Saint Vincent College. It's another sunny, hot

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Speaker 2: day here in lay trobe as once again it's a

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Speaker 2: special edition of the Drive West Ruler and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: with you here for the next three hours as practice

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Speaker 2: is getting underway. Walk through portion in front of us

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Speaker 2: right now here at Chucknoll Field. We're of course up

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Speaker 2: in the palacious press box where I'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: Matt good to be in the air conditioning today. I'll

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Speaker 2: take it.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking that too. I did a late lunch

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Speaker 3: and then strolled across here, and I also made the

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Speaker 3: mistake of trying to come down the steps at the

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Speaker 3: exact same time Jalen Ramsey and Ca cam Hay yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I tried to get through the masses and they weren't.

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Speaker 3: They were not moving at all for me to you know,

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Speaker 3: squeeze through. But it's a little toasty out there, and

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Speaker 3: it came strolling in here. I'm like, oh, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is this is where I need to be up here

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Speaker 3: in great view. As you mentioned yesterday, Ac nice cold

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Speaker 3: Water tried this funky nitro coral brew thing too, and

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Speaker 3: givehim a shot.

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Speaker 2: Bob Labriola was laughing because I've got a Turner's iced

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Speaker 2: tea can here, most yenser thing possible that I can

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Speaker 2: do here, certainly, Yeah, as uh, this is this is

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Speaker 2: the kind of weather I think that you know, like

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Speaker 2: we it feels like we talk about this every camp.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like Mike Tomlin wants as many weather elements

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Speaker 2: as he can get out here. Oh yeah, make no

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Speaker 2: mistake about it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Thunder and lightning are a different story. He wants some

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Speaker 2: raining practices out here. He might want some days where

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Speaker 2: it's a little windyar he wants these days where every

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Speaker 2: where we're pushing pushing ninety degrees because hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: most of the games that you play are going to

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Speaker 2: be during this time and as well too in the

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Speaker 2: AFC North right in the region of the country that

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Speaker 2: we're in. No dome teams in the division or anything

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Speaker 2: like that, Like you're going to have to play through

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Speaker 2: all different kinds of weather elements throughout the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And uh, Dale and Mike Pursuda and I do

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Speaker 3: a schedule release show like at eight o'clock the second

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Speaker 3: the thing comes out, and frankly, I get like three

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Speaker 3: minutes noticed beforehand. It's not like it's so un cheated.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you get that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like five minutes into the show, I looked

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Speaker 3: at it and it's something we mentioned yesterday. Those preseason

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Speaker 3: games are going full hot, hot hot, and I went, man,

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Speaker 3: I bet Tomlin loves this. This is right up his alley.

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Speaker 3: They're not like the Bengals or Rams that don't play

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Speaker 3: anybody in the preseason. Yes, Cam Hayward, Siamalu Watt, we'll

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Speaker 3: get some rest days here, but all in all, they don't.

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Speaker 3: It ain't what it used to be in terms of

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Speaker 3: two A days, and you know the seventies. It's Vincent's

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Speaker 3: but compared to thirty one other teams, they work as

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Speaker 3: hard or harder than anybody in camp in preseason, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not at thirty one other places, but

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Speaker 3: surprised how much physicality is here and how much they bang.

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Speaker 3: And so he does push them as base basically as

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Speaker 3: far as you can by today's CBA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I think like even by Mike Tomlin standards,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of it, as you mentioned, is collectively bargained,

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Speaker 3: That the acclamation process and am implying they're out there

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Speaker 2: Like he's talked publicly about before, like you know, like

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Speaker 3: I was driving up here today, did it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Interesting shortly because it make for like fifteen minutes here

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Speaker 2: is blaring down upon you as it is here today

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Speaker 2: as we're seeing him get some work here in the

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Speaker 3: I stood correct, because I'll be just to pull back

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was extensive is the exact word that I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, real quick, because I'm known to do. I

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Speaker 2: You know, people want to see how the sausage is made.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and it's not always pretty, especially up in the dorms.

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Speaker 3: And we had some dorm issues. You and I got

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Speaker 2: Training came for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So I hadn't been on the internet for like forty

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Speaker 3: eight hours, and I went to my usual ten sites

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Speaker 3: put them all in this word document and I'll read

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Speaker 3: him in my spare time. But I noticed some things

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize. But over the last and so once

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Speaker 3: in a while I just throw up my nerdy stats.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and over the last match four years, actually,

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Speaker 3: anytime he's been in the Arthur Smith offense, he has

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Speaker 3: doesn't run as many routes as Kelsey Kittle, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But when he's on the field he gets targeted a

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Speaker 3: higher percentage than any tight end in the league over

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Speaker 3: the last five years, and a lot of it's in

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Speaker 3: But still when he's out there, he's highly, highly useful.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't really been a true full time player.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about him a little bit more then,

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Speaker 2: specifically that last year in Miami the best year of

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Speaker 2: his career. Yes, best statistical season that a tight end

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Speaker 3: Wow, that doesn't surprise me. But boy, they've been really

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Speaker 2: I mean, he had nearly nine hundred yards receiving a

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Speaker 2: nine touchdowns, Pro Bowler again, best tat cat, best statistical

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Speaker 2: because they were pretty banged up on that offense to

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, first of all, I think we need to

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Speaker 3: And his alignment over his career absolutely indicates that. Rarely

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So he is more of

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Speaker 3: I don't have the number in front of me, but

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Speaker 3: his yards after catch stuff has always been great in

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Speaker 3: so that's that's an aspect he absolutely brings the table.

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Speaker 3: But they one of their problems was their protection in

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Speaker 3: Miami was so bad, terrible, so bad. And they are

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Speaker 3: not designed to be a long developing offense anyways.

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Speaker 2: They're one of those quick yes to a one read,

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Speaker 3: And he's really really good at that to It wouldn't

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Speaker 3: They couldn't have the long developing Tyreek Wattle routes that

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Speaker 3: of fore arm injury. Yep, Wattle was bad battling injuries

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Speaker 3: So they kind of their fallback plan was and this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a great that's a over his career,

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Speaker 2: no matter where he's been, right. I know I've told

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and the reporting too, is reporting eligible.

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Speaker 3: Last year they did it like never.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say last year was really low very scarce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think part of that is because they

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Speaker 3: don't have a Broderick Jones waiting in the wing, right right, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like if more Jones and Troy were all healthy, I

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Speaker 3: bet they would have done a ton of it too.

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Speaker 3: But they were just putting. They don't want to put

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Speaker 3: lesser players on the field just to be in six

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Speaker 3: tozer line.

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Speaker 2: Which is smart, right, I mean smart red.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't put bad players out there, you know. And

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Speaker 3: I would bet just by the makeup of this team

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Speaker 3: right now too. I'm not throwing Calvin Anderson out there

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Speaker 3: over Washington, you know, because the whole world knows he's

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Speaker 3: not gonna run a route. But it's been a Tomlin

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Speaker 3: staple no matter who the OC has been and last year,

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Speaker 3: and I bet this upcoming year, I bet they're at

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Speaker 3: the bottom of the league with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Yeah, I think that's another sit.

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Speaker 3: They still the physicality of it with three tight ends

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Speaker 3: one being watched to.

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Speaker 2: It's just again it's red paint versus yellow paint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But you can still you can still get the bar

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Speaker 2: and painted. You can still get her done. Some stretching

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Speaker 2: going on here now in front of us. We've got

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Speaker 2: to get to our first break.

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Speaker 3: I've got to go stretch before that segment.

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Speaker 2: Let him go, he's rolling. I gotta go make one

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Speaker 2: of these public address announcements, so you do that speaker

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Speaker 2: system here because Rob King isn't here this afternoon. So

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Speaker 2: we got to get to a break. But we'll continue

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Speaker 2: to talk all things Steelers, All Things Practice day number

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Speaker 2: of course, the beautiful, the sunny, the hot and humid

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Speaker 2: campus of Saint Vincent College here in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, for

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Speaker 2: the fifty eighth time at the Pittsburgh Steelers having their

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Speaker 2: training camp here. Practice about to pick up pretty soon

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Speaker 2: on this second of the four day acclamation period. A

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Speaker 2: lot of stretching going on in front of us right now,

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Speaker 2: and standing at about the thirty five yard line stretching

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Speaker 2: and chatting it up with Cam Hayward is one number

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Speaker 2: ninety Trent Jordan Watt, tj Wat, Matt. This is a weird,

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Speaker 2: quirky thing that I want wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how much value do you put.

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Speaker 2: Into the one Jersey guys right verse somebody like Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady who played for somebody else at the end, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: How much value you put twenty some years in right,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like Franco with Montana with Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Peyton Manning. I mean a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of the guys have done this. Versus a

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Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger, you know, who is a one Jersey type guy.

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Speaker 2: How do you value that?

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Speaker 3: I think this organization values it more than most.

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Speaker 2: I would agree. I mean, I know Troy Paulamalu, Ben

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Speaker 2: roethas right, like.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Franco and Franco who I mean that was

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Speaker 3: like nineteen eighty one. A.

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Speaker 2: It's a different world, and we're not going to.

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Speaker 3: Count that yet, right right, But I do think over

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Speaker 3: this last decade.

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Speaker 4: Plot like the twenty first century, right right right, this

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Speaker 4: salary cap era, at least you know that they value

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Speaker 4: that more than most teams, because I think not just

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Speaker 4: for posterity, but I think there's a big deal of

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Speaker 4: like we were talking about yesterday, a hopefully in ten years,

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Speaker 4: Cam Hayward is the legend that's walking around here, and

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Speaker 4: Harmon's as.

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Speaker 3: Good as Cam is now he's been now today is

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Speaker 3: like eight years old, is you know walking around with Harmon?

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Speaker 3: You know it goes back to Joe Green. So I

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Speaker 3: think that legacy of passing it down and this you

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Speaker 3: know Steeler way has a lot of value. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I do put some value in it.

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Speaker 2: I like I like it.

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Speaker 3: I do too, I like to I'm more worth than

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Speaker 3: just know this is cute.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very cool that the two biggest Steelers

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Speaker 2: of my lifetime, Ben Roethlisberger and Troy Paulamal who only

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Speaker 2: played for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool that the two biggest Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Penguins of my lifetime, Mary o Lemu and Sidney Crosby

533
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Speaker 2: only played for the Penguins, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like that stuff if like you and I, we do

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Speaker 2: this for a living and that changes you over the years,

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Speaker 2: but we also still love sports. That's why we got

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Speaker 2: into it. We love football, that's why we started doing

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Speaker 2: this in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's still like that kind of of like

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Speaker 2: almost romanticism about it, you know, just having one guy

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Speaker 2: he's just ours, he's our fan base is he's he's

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Speaker 2: a Steeler lifer.

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Speaker 3: You go visit him in Canton with the bust is up,

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Speaker 3: and it's not four different teams and exactly like, But

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Speaker 3: I don't think that means it doesn't mean less for

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Speaker 3: the guys that are that's just gonna say.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything less for Aaron Rodgers or you know,

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Speaker 2: Rod Woodson.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even though he's a raven at the end,

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Speaker 3: I don't think people look differently at him or the

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Speaker 3: Niners are, Like, Man, don't know that Montana guy didn't.

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Speaker 2: No one and no one, says Brett Favre, Minnesota Viking.

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Speaker 3: You know true, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I definitely think it's it's valuable, but not to the

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Speaker 3: point of let's overpay someone in their last year of

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Speaker 3: the deal just to keep him around. It's bad business.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's still a there was a line there.

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Speaker 3: It's a brutal, brutal sports in general, but football especially.

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Speaker 3: If you can't help me, you to go, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a brutal business. It absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: TJ Watt signing that contract, Matt so yeah, a very

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Speaker 2: good chance that he will be a one Jersey guy

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Speaker 2: throughout his NFL career. Uh. You told me before the

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Speaker 2: show today that at some point we needed to talk

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Speaker 2: about TJ's contract. You had some stuff you had unearthed

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Speaker 2: about some of the details and things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just in the last twenty four hours I did

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Speaker 3: a little more studying on it and there's some really

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Speaker 3: interesting quirks or you know, things about it that I

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Speaker 3: just wanted our listeners to know. So, first of all,

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Speaker 3: when you look at contracts, and I can't stress this enough,

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Speaker 3: you really need to look not at average, you know,

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Speaker 3: pay per year, but you really need to look at

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Speaker 3: percentage sal cap. I mean, that's really all that matters.

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Speaker 3: And here's a good example. You know, the Steelers trade

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Speaker 3: for DK Metcalf, give him a second round pick, give

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Speaker 3: him a big deal. But that deal was a smaller

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Speaker 3: percentage of the cap than the one he was coming

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Speaker 3: off with Seattle. Correct the deal that Seattle gave him

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Speaker 3: was a larger percentage of the cap at that day than.

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Speaker 2: The one the Steelers game for. It was just really

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Speaker 2: all the matters.

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Speaker 3: That's really all the matters, because inflation in the league

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Speaker 3: is insane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a and you just said, you

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Speaker 2: just said, like sports is a brutal business. The salary

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Speaker 2: caps are always going up in every league, but in

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Speaker 2: the NFL especially, it's been in It's not nuts because

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Speaker 2: just the insane revenue that this league generates.

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Speaker 3: So again nerd Alert. So in the last three years,

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Speaker 3: I was listening to podcast on the way here. I

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Speaker 3: didn't like write these numbers down or anything. I was

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Speaker 3: on the highway. In the last three years, I might

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Speaker 3: be a percentage or two off, but I'm really close.

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Speaker 3: The cap has gone up thirty four percent over since

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two or whatever, basically since COVID. COVID set

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Speaker 3: things back. So if you start from there and say,

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Speaker 3: once we get out of the COVID era, the cap

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Speaker 3: has gone up thirty four percent, that's why that's a ton.

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Speaker 2: It's an absolute ton in a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And this cap analyst that I was listening to

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Speaker 3: on the way up here said, Okay, so we know

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Speaker 3: that the cap has gone thirty four percent, So let's

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Speaker 3: look at like the top five to ten contracts at

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Speaker 3: every position. How much have they gone up since twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two? Every position but one has not been thirty

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Speaker 3: four percent, it's been less. So all these all these

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Speaker 3: players are so happy that they're getting these huge raises, no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt, as they and they deserve dollars and cents.

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Speaker 3: You're getting more dollars.

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Speaker 2: The players deserve their share.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the owners are screwing them. They're not,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but in reality, they're still they're paying all

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Speaker 3: these positions slightly less than they were then for the stars,

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Speaker 3: for the superstars, I mean, and that includes my home yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I mean the best players at every position. They

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Speaker 3: have not gone up thirty four percent in three years.

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Speaker 3: They've gone up, but not that much except for edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: Edge rushers has exceeded thirty four percent. The only position

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Speaker 3: why is that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could talk other than quarterback,

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Speaker 2: probably the most sought after yah thing.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to find. Yeah, I think it's either offensive

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Speaker 3: tackle or edge rusher or the hardest thing to find

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Speaker 3: in terms. But I think ed rasher are more valuable

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Speaker 3: on game day, you know, like changing schemes. What's a

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Speaker 3: perfect example. I mean, obviously Watt has a lot to

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Speaker 3: do with this, now, I also schematically in today's NFL,

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Speaker 3: this league across the board wants to play zone with

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Speaker 3: too high, not allow big plays. Rush four, rush four.

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Speaker 3: A few teams can get away with it, but if

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Speaker 3: you have Bosa Garrett, you can always get away with it,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And the Steelers have one.

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Speaker 3: So thus you don't let the superstars go. Maybe you

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Speaker 3: let the B level guys go high Smith level guy

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Speaker 3: who's a really really good pledge. Yeah yeah, right, right,

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Speaker 3: right right. But that is a huge key here too,

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Speaker 3: is we we want to be able to rush for

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Speaker 3: and put teams away while dropping a ton in coverage.

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Speaker 3: And here's a huge key to it, Like if you

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Speaker 3: look at defensive players year to year, defensive linemen and

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Speaker 3: especially edge rushers flux wait the least, Like Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 3: was awesome as a rookie, then he was kind of good,

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Speaker 3: then he was okay. Yeah, right, Like linebackers and people

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Speaker 3: further away from the ball aren't as consistent or as

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Speaker 3: trustworthy year to year. Like if you go to any

649
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Speaker 3: sports book and look at whose defensive MVP the.

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Speaker 2: Shortest art, it's always there. It's like the quarterback for

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Speaker 2: league MVP.

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Speaker 3: Right, is Parsons or Garrett gonna have five sacks this

653
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: year if they stay healthy? Of course not, you know,

654
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: like you know what you're buying, you know. So I

655
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: think that has a lot to do with it. Now

656
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: that the DJ contract specifically is really interesting to me too,

657
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: and I still want to do more homework on it

658
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: because the obvious comparison is Miles Garrett totally, who blew

659
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: the doors off everything, you know, like a lot of

660
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: these contracts. I just want to make a dollar more

661
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: than the highest paid guy in the league, but that

662
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: still doesn't keep up with inflation, with the salary cap

663
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: being your your guide to inflation, if you know what

664
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 3: I mean. But Garrett got like five million more than

665
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: anybody else, so.

666
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: He blew really put that a new ceiling on it.

667
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, now what I don't have it in front of me,

668
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: but people could double check. I'm almost certain is a

669
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: one year less deal than Garrett. I think Garrett's five

670
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: Watts four But Watt's getting twenty million more guaranteed dollars

671
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: than Garrett, which is big, which is crazy. I mean

672
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: if you think about guaranteed divided by years, he really

673
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: blows Garrett out the out of the door. Now, I

674
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: deep down think the Steelers are making a statement in

675
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: the division a little bit too, you know, like the

676
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: hated Miles Garrett. We think he's that much better, and

677
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: we went the whole division to know it. They no

678
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: one would ever admit that, but I deep down.

679
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: Think that, hey they've There's there's enough history to back that.

680
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: Up, right right, Yeah? Yeah, like you put their career

681
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: stats together, Wat's the better player or what's better on paper?

682
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: For sure? But also with this Watt deal, if the

683
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: way I understand it, yes it's a four year deal,

684
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: it's a ton of But if he were to fall

685
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: off or get injured or just not be the same guy,

686
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: which happens in this league. Of course, after year three

687
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 3: you could cut him, it would only be an eight

688
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: million dollars dead cap hit. So he's getting a lot

689
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: of money early. They have so much cap space for

690
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: next year, even after paying John Who Ramsey Watt. They're

691
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: eleventh right now, eleventh most caps.

692
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: They don't have a quarterback who's eating up forty.

693
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: Cam's on a great contract, you know, like, so they

694
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: have it to spend, but they're kind of front loading

695
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: it a little bit in that if he does fall off,

696
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: they have a parachute that they could get out of

697
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: after those three years. So if you get three three

698
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: TJ Watt years out of him, you win, Yeah, you know,

699
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: and he and he wins huge. He went to and

700
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: there's something to reward good players, good people and one

701
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: helmet guys like you talked about you know what I mean.

702
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: He is the he is the ripple effect in the

703
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: in the locker room.

704
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that was you know again, I know something

705
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: that like we I think we talked about this during

706
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: one of the mini camp or Ota shows that we

707
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: that we did together. But there's you know, I I

708
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: thought that would come during training camp. I think we

709
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: both did just that locker room boost. It's you know,

710
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: it's days here, second or third week in August that

711
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: everyone's tired and beat up and ready to go back

712
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: home and sick of living in the dorms and everything,

713
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, and.

714
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Plus what wouldn't be practicing, so there's no chance you

715
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: get hurt.

716
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Correct, like held in.

717
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Speaker 3: Last time, I think Tomlin was the happiest guy in

718
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: the world.

719
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Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, exactly. There's no chance that he's putting extra

720
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: tread on those tires in July when Mike Tomlin does

721
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: not need him in July. He needs him in the

722
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: fall and deep into the winner hopefully. Yeah. That that

723
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: guaranteed number, I think is is what really because again

724
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: that's that's what matters. That that is, that is what

725
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: you are for sure getting. That's the guaranteed portion. And

726
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: yet I mean that's a big number for TJ. But

727
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: I think again, like you just kind of laid out,

728
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: he's a guy who has earned that that big number

729
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: absolutely and the responsibility, attention and and everything that comes

730
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: with it.

731
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: Now, no one's crying for NFL owners. They're doing quite well.

732
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: But I do. I don't know that everyone knows that.

733
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: This is part of how NFL contracts work. And it

734
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: was a big deal, like the Watson trade for the Browns.

735
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 3: This was a massive deal. But this is also true

736
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: for TJ. I forget what the number is. But let's

737
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: say that there he signs that deal. The second he

738
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: signs that deal, let's I forget what the guaranteed number is.

739
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: Let's pretend it's eighty million, whatever it is. If it's

740
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: eighty million, mister Rooney and the Steeler organization has to

741
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: take eighty million dollars out of their pocket and put

742
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: it in escrow so that it is always there for yes,

743
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: so there is a financial Oh, I mean like they

744
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: have to write a check for the guaranteed money and

745
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: set it aside, and.

746
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: It goes into escro, right, and it's the set dates

747
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: deposited and T's bank account, right.

748
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: Because they don't want I guess, like in the fifties.

749
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: And sure, you guarantee someone's contract and then the team

750
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: goes bankrupt.

751
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: Or the league goes belly up or something, or you know,

752
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: and the player never gets it. So every owner has

753
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: to write that check that just sits there and they're

754
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: not like getting interest on it or investing it, you

755
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

756
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: Correct? Yeah, no, I you're You're absolutely right, and that

757
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: is I mean, that's a that's a whale of an investment.

758
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big checker. Right, You're going to be

759
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: pretty confident, dude, Right right, all of a sudden becomes

760
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: a human element that Okay, the Rooney's and thirty one

761
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: other teams, they're all doing really really well, but they

762
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 3: got to sit down that day and write a check

763
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: and for that amount and sticking to the escro which

764
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: is crazy, you.

765
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: Know, it really is. But it's the revenue, it's the power,

766
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: it's the billion dollar business that is the national football

767
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: very healthy, they are very very healthy.

768
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Speaker 3: And my hunches going back to TJ. Michael Parsons is

769
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: gonna blow both Garrett and TJ's contract out of the

770
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: water any minute now because he's younger. You not that

771
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: he's better, we can fight about that, sure or whatever,

772
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: but he's younger. He's worth more than both of them.

773
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: And that's why you're letting go all the time.

774
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Why have you waited so dack?

775
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: They did it with Lamb. They end up over playing

776
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: him in any minute. Now, TJ is going to be

777
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: the second highest paid, and then next off season will

778
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: be the fifth highest paid, and then two years from now,

779
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: I'll be like man, TJ watted twenty sacks this year

780
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: and he's the twentieth highest paid.

781
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: Guide Ly you know it is, It's like now, like

782
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: mahomes is. Mahomes' contract looks like the biggest bargain ever

783
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: when you look at it now a couple of years

784
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: into it, and how much the cap has ballooned. We

785
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: got to get to another break. I've got to go

786
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: make another public address announcement would do that the last one,

787
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: I think, and uh practice starting to heat up. Will

788
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Speaker 2: bring you some more commentary of what's going on in

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799
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Speaker 2: Back on campus here as seven shots is happening in

800
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Speaker 2: front of us, Mason Rudolph going for the end zone.

801
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: That one tipped and incomplete. As we are back here,

802
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson looks like so three reps there in seven

803
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: shots for Aaron Rodgers, I believe.

804
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: First think I missed the first one.

805
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: First was a first was a bad snap by Fraser

806
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: and they blew the play dead.

807
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 3: Okay.

808
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Second one he went to uh to DK Metcalf just

809
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: off his fingertips and then back to Metcalf for a

810
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: touchdown in the corner of the end zone.

811
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: Okay. And then that that Rudolph one was broken up

812
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: very nicely by Elliott by the way, Yes, really nice

813
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 3: break on the ball. So every when I talked about

814
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: the offense and these things, but the defense made.

815
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: Makeod plays too.

816
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: At lunch with some you know, yeah Rudolfs media people,

817
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: and then I guess the big buzz is Rogers threw

818
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: a picked yesterday and no one's like, well, Queen had

819
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: an interception too, there's two sides of the coin. Yeah,

820
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: come on, guys, that's nice play there, though.

821
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: That was I believe was that Roman Wilson, I think

822
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: so making a touchdown catch there for Mason Rudolph. I

823
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: think it was Scotty Miller actually now, but I'm looking

824
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: at it so.

825
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: I believe I break through put it right him right

826
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: in the numbers, yep.

827
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: I believe that that makes it three three to one

828
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: for the defense. Now I want to say three or

829
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: four to one for the defense.

830
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 3: Will Howard checks in here, probably for the last shot

831
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 3: then right.

832
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: He's got Tray Sermon standing next to him. I would

833
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: imagine that this is the last shot and less maybe

834
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: they give him a couple of extra reps. But this

835
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: is it in terms of the h I think, you know,

836
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: competition for who gets the better dinner tonight. Yeah, and

837
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: it's a pass attempt to the right side of the

838
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: end zone that falls in complete. Didn't see who it

839
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: intended was intended for, but Corey Trice with some nice

840
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: coverage on that one.

841
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: I think that was I'm not sure it was either.

842
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: I was thinking that was seventeen, but that's I don't know,

843
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: that's not a real wide receiver.

844
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: Does look like they're gonna get another one a couple

845
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: more res I.

846
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: Kind of lost track because and then he mentioned the

847
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: botch snaps. Yeah, this is probably the last wrap of

848
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: seven shots.

849
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: I would I would think so, yes, let's see here,

850
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: it's Will Howard in a shotgun. He'll bring a man

851
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: in motion that it's Max Hrlman.

852
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: He's an interesting player.

853
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: He is an interesting player out of Oaklahoma State. And

854
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: the snap is to Howard. He looks right, he throws right,

855
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: we got touchdown. Nice throw, nice catch there by JJ Galbreth,

856
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: the rookie tight end out of South Dakota.

857
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know anything about Galbreath, but two or three

858
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: times yesterday just watching him run around, I'm like, two's

859
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: eighty seven.

860
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want, that's what you want. The

861
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: first couple of days it was the same, you know,

862
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: a couple of more.

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00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: Example, Yeah, I mean that thirty is quick. Yeah. We

864
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: talk about that every year when we're up here. It's like,

865
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Speaker 3: why am I if I look up his number two

866
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: or three times? You know, over the course of the week,

867
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Speaker 3: it's like I find.

868
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Myself looking down at the roster, like wait a second,

869
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: double check who is that he.

870
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: Plays a little longer than he thought in the first

871
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: preseason game and maybe plays okay, keep an eye out.

872
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: So again, I think that's it in terms of the

873
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: the record keeping seven shots, uh, and you're doing here here,

874
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: but Aaron Rodgers checking checking back in now, Yes, so

875
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: back to back to ones versus ones as uh as

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00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Rogers will stand in the shot gun here, sidecar to

877
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: his left, trips to his right, he looks right looking

878
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: for wide open, got him touchdown for the offense, and

879
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: they're celebrating like that was a big one.

880
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: So maybe Tom must have put him out there, put

881
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 3: him out there to break.

882
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: Some kind of tie. So it looks like the offense

883
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: will uh will be the victors of today's seven show.

884
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: After a slow start, they climb back in there nicely.

885
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Really well, real nice play design there. In terms of

886
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: getting a guy open. I'm sure the defense is thinking

887
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: that might be a pick, you know, the offense is say,

888
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: it's a nice rubb route. You know, depends which side

889
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: of the coin you're on with that. But that was

890
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: well designed. Firemuth is whet wide open. Rodgers took no

891
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: time to.

892
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: Put it right on them, right, exactly right. That was

893
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: that was a nice decisive, nice play design decisive there

894
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: from from Aaron Rodgers and mouth wriggling himself free there nicely,

895
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: nice pitch, nice catch. And so does that mean the

896
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: offense gets stake or lobster or whatever the treat is

897
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: tonight at the cafeteria.

898
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: I assume I don't know that one hundred percent, because

899
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that it's every night or there's certain

900
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: nights that because we go in there for dinner and

901
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: sometimes it's like offense only.

902
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: Yes, all this night, there's like a little section that'll

903
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: say offense only or defense only.

904
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: It's not like the losers eat Burger King. They still

905
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: do too, Don't get me wrong.

906
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: All the food up there is very it is.

907
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Speaker 3: It's awesome. But I'm not sure if that's every practice

908
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: that there's a reward or just.

909
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Speaker 2: A couple of times coup times head. Yeah, no, that

910
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: that is interesting. Is now it looks like we've got

911
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: a little special teams period going on in front of us.

912
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Danny Smith barking out. I saw him in the cafeteria

913
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: at lunch today for the first time. What's up, man,

914
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: how you doing?

915
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: Always fun to be around.

916
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: Oh he is a ball of energy man, and he's

917
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: hilarious and he's just full of like he's he's like

918
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: what like to touch used to always say every human

919
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: is either an adder, a subtractor, a multiplier or a divider.

920
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: Ah, I love that, Like damn multiplier.

921
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: Danny Smith is a multiplier.

922
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Speaker 3: It's nice to be an adder.

923
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: It nice to be an adder. World needs adders as

924
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: well too. That's better than being, you know, a divider

925
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: or a subtractor. Absolutely, but Danny Smith is a multiplier.

926
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Speaker 3: Every Special teams coach I've ever been around is a

927
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Speaker 3: high energy guy. I mean that's a job requirement, but

928
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Speaker 3: not to his level and frankly not his age. You

929
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, No doubt you're right.

930
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: Special teams coaches are always the psycho ones, head button

931
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: the wall and right right.

932
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Speaker 3: They're always super high energy they you know that that's

933
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: a real effort position, no matter what, you know, like

934
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: get down there and you're dealing with so many different guys.

935
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Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most underrated aspects of

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Speaker 3: coaching in general, because you don't even deal with the

937
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: same eleven dudes week to week. You know, like you

938
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: the team might lose a backup running back, so they

939
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: signed some running back off the street, and they take

940
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: your best special team or and cut them right. Nobody

941
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: cuts the starting left tackle like poor Danny and these

942
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: special teams coach like I was just get used to

943
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: that guy who's been a core special team or for me,

944
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Speaker 3: I've been developing them for two months. If you caught them,

945
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Speaker 3: because you need a running back or a safety or whatever.

946
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Speaker 3: You know, Dad, gummet see I did there with the safety.

947
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Speaker 2: We've got some breaking news for you because the Steelers

948
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Speaker 2: have added a safety. A roster move has happened here

949
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Speaker 2: in the last few minutes. We'll tell you what that

950
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Speaker 2: is when we come back to start the second hour.

951
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: The I've West Juler and Matt Williamson here high above Chucknollfield.

952
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: His practice is ongoing. It's all part of our training

953
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Speaker 2: camp coverage on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.