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Speaker 2: Barnie and Betty Hill are two of many Americans who
Speaker 2: claim to have seen an unidentified flying objects, and two
Speaker 2: perhaps one hundred, who claimed to have been aboard a
Speaker 2: flying saucer.
Speaker 3: Want this on my lapel?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that day. I was thirteen years old
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty one when Betty and Barney were abducted.
Speaker 3: My mother was on the phone with Betty. My mother
Speaker 3: was concerned, and I knew that something was wrong. When
Speaker 3: she hung up the phone, she told me Betty and
Speaker 3: Barney had seen a flying saucer up close the night before.
Speaker 3: They were afraid they'd been contaminated.
Speaker 1: Welcome to High Strange. On September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: newlyweds Betty and Barney Hill were traveling along US Route
Speaker 1: three in the mountains of New Hampshire. What transpired that
Speaker 1: night would forever shape the horror sci fi genre of
Speaker 1: alien abductions in pop culture.
Speaker 5: I'm going to start out telling you about my capture,
Speaker 5: which happened on September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: This is Betty sharing her story at the International U
Speaker 1: of FO Congress in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 5: On that night, my husband, Barney and I were returning
Speaker 5: from Montreal. We left there a late afternoon and Bonnie
Speaker 5: and I was having a very pleasant drive home to Fortsmouth,
Speaker 5: New Hampshire. All of a sudden, I saw what I
Speaker 5: thought with a new star in the sky. It began
Speaker 5: to move zig zaggy, going up and down, spinning. This
Speaker 5: object left the top of the mountain, came out over
Speaker 5: the highway directly in front of the car and stopped.
Speaker 5: Bonnie decided he's going to get out and identify this object,
Speaker 5: so he took the binoculars and stepped away from the car,
Speaker 5: and when he did, the object shifted out over the field.
Speaker 5: Bonnie walked towards it, looking up and he say human
Speaker 5: like figures standing in the window looking down at him.
Speaker 5: And at that moment the craft began to descend and
Speaker 5: Barney panicked, feeling they planned to capture him. He came
Speaker 5: tearing back to the cap saying, we had to get
Speaker 5: out of there. They were going to capture us.
Speaker 3: I was thirteen years old in nineteen sixty one when
Speaker 3: Betty and Barney were abducted.
Speaker 1: This is Betty and Barney Hill's niece, Kathleen Martin.
Speaker 3: Betty and Barney had seen a flying saucer up close
Speaker 3: the night before. They were afraid they'd been contaminated. We
Speaker 3: had a neighbor who was a physicist, and my mother
Speaker 3: said that she would call him to ask what else
Speaker 3: they might do. They had already taken long showers, they
Speaker 3: had put their suitcases outside, They threw all the food away,
Speaker 3: so they were taking a lot of precautions, worried that
Speaker 3: they might have been contaminated by this craft that came
Speaker 3: within one hundred feet of them. I was just terrified.
Speaker 6: What were you afraid of?
Speaker 3: The think being taken? I was afraid of being taken.
Speaker 3: When I was sixteen years old, Betty and Barney had
Speaker 3: sessions with neuropsychiatrists doctor Benjamin Simon. They would stop at
Speaker 3: my home and my grandparents' home across the street on
Speaker 3: the way home from doctor Simon's office in Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: They talked about the ets, about what they did to them,
Speaker 3: a little bit about the communication. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of evidence torn dress, shiny spots on the trunk of
Speaker 3: the vehicle that had a magnetic field, watches that had
Speaker 3: broken and never ran again, binocular strap broken, Betty's dress
Speaker 3: was torn in several places. All of those things were
Speaker 3: a mystery, but sort of with my scientific mind, I
Speaker 3: was interested in all of that and how it might
Speaker 3: have happened.
Speaker 1: Over the course of this episode, I'm going to unpack
Speaker 1: all the details of the Betty and Barney Hill incident,
Speaker 1: including the horroring tape of their recollection of this alleged encounter.
Speaker 1: And I'll also say I completely understand how absolutely insane
Speaker 1: this stuff sounds. Even as I sit here right now.
Speaker 1: It can so easily just sound preposterous to me. So
Speaker 1: before we dive in super deep, I want to highlight
Speaker 1: some of the things that make this case incredibly harder
Speaker 1: to just blindly dismiss the physical evidence. After extensive investigation,
Speaker 1: it was learned that both Betty and Barney experienced several
Speaker 1: physical changes that night. Betty's blue dress she was wearing
Speaker 1: was badly damaged. It was ripped in multiple places and
Speaker 1: covered in some kind of pink powder that left stains.
Speaker 1: The tops of Barney's shoes were scraped, and the strap
Speaker 1: on his binoculars was also broken, and both of their
Speaker 1: wristwatches stopped working that night. On their car, they found
Speaker 1: weird circular marks on the trunk that were never there before,
Speaker 1: and if you approached it with a compass, it would
Speaker 1: start to spin around all crazy. So whatever happened that night,
Speaker 1: and for as weird and unbelievable as it all may sound,
Speaker 1: this was the result of that or was part of
Speaker 1: some much more elaborate hoax.
Speaker 7: Well as a gentleman the name of doctor Benjamin Simon.
Speaker 7: He's a psychiatrist in the Boston area, and he was
Speaker 7: called on to ended you psychoanalyze and if the die
Speaker 7: Betty Dell and Bonnydill, welcome doctor Silon to our program.
Speaker 6: Doctor Silon.
Speaker 8: Yes, this stop from the beginning.
Speaker 7: When did you first ended the story of Benny and Barnie,
Speaker 7: don't you?
Speaker 6: Late sixty three?
Speaker 7: They were hunting in they lived a two hours or so,
Speaker 7: which seemed to bother them, but to which they could
Speaker 7: not account.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 7: Bonnie's shiptims had begun just after they had this. Opposed
Speaker 7: of fighting, Betty had responded by a series of means
Speaker 7: extending over a week or more or at night marriage quality.
Speaker 7: They had no idea what had happened, if anything, during
Speaker 7: these two hours.
Speaker 1: What should have been a relaxing drive in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night on their way home from a delayed honeymoon,
Speaker 1: was interrupted by something extremely eerie. As Betty looked out
Speaker 1: the passenger side window, she saw a bright object in
Speaker 1: the sky, moving sporadically. At first, Betty thought it was
Speaker 1: a star, then Barney thought I was a satellite. Eventually
Speaker 1: they became so curious Barney pulled the car over to
Speaker 1: get a better look at it. He stepped out of
Speaker 1: the car and grabbed his binoculars from the back seat,
Speaker 1: and when he looked up, he couldn't believe what he
Speaker 1: was seeing. Barney claims to have seen a large craft
Speaker 1: hovering just a few hundred feet in the sky. It
Speaker 1: was extremely bright and made no noise. On the front
Speaker 1: of it was a long row of curved windows, and
Speaker 1: he could see inside the craft. He saw what looked
Speaker 1: like beings standing around and moving about the craft's interior,
Speaker 1: looking right at him.
Speaker 8: He was horrified.
Speaker 1: Almost instantly, he ran back to the car and sped
Speaker 1: off in a panic. Betty and Barney both initially remembered
Speaker 1: a haze coming over them, and what they described as
Speaker 1: a strange series of beeping sounds.
Speaker 8: And then abruptly a jump in time.
Speaker 1: When they came to they were still driving, but the
Speaker 1: first road sign they saw indicated they were over thirty
Speaker 1: five miles away.
Speaker 8: From just moments ago.
Speaker 1: This missing time they experienced bothered the both of them.
Speaker 1: Here's Betty Hill again explaining the instance of lost time
Speaker 1: that both her and Barney experienced.
Speaker 5: He put the car into GEA and we went speeding
Speaker 5: down the highway. Barney said, when he came back, the
Speaker 5: craft had followed and was now over the car.
Speaker 10: So I looked up.
Speaker 5: I looked out the window. All I could see was
Speaker 5: something black, and at that point there was a series
Speaker 5: of b being clowns and the car vibrated, and Bonnie
Speaker 5: and I stopped talking. We drove along. There were spots
Speaker 5: that I recognized they were familiar to me. Bonnie left
Speaker 5: Root three, he turned on to Route one seventy five
Speaker 5: and was still speeding along when all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: Bonny slammed on the brakes, the car came to a
Speaker 5: screeching halt. The next thing that I could remember, we're
Speaker 5: back on RUT three, And I said to Barney, do
Speaker 5: you believe been flying sauces? And Bonnie said, don't be ridiculous.
Speaker 7: Barney and Betty gave the same story, and that the
Speaker 7: dory was besides the like the story that had been
Speaker 7: written up by the NYCAP investigator, there were no significant difference.
Speaker 7: In fact, factually no differences between the three did they
Speaker 7: gave consciously, They gave the exactly the thing story. There
Speaker 7: was no difference that they both shared the same experience.
Speaker 11: All the way.
Speaker 1: They were visited by officers from the Air Force who
Speaker 1: questioned them about the missing time. They seemed to really
Speaker 1: push on that particular part of the story. How could
Speaker 1: you travel thirty five miles with no memory of it?
Speaker 1: The officers also inquired about nitrates, but the only thing
Speaker 1: the Hills could think of that was strange in their
Speaker 1: car was a few shotgun shells from Barney's gun and
Speaker 1: a bag of bone meal fertilizer in the trunk. I
Speaker 1: guess if you're looking for ways to rationally explain some
Speaker 1: hallucination maybe accidentally ingesting.
Speaker 8: This stuff could cause it. Either way, they were reaching
Speaker 8: for anything that made sense.
Speaker 3: They had six months of hypnosis sessions with doctor Benjamin Simon.
Speaker 3: At times both of them were so distressed over what
Speaker 3: was occurring that he feared that it might increase the
Speaker 3: level of trauma, so he wanted to work through them
Speaker 3: on reducing that level of trauma. In the beginning, he
Speaker 3: took them separately, and he reinstated amnesia at the end
Speaker 3: of each session so they couldn't share information.
Speaker 1: During World War II, doctor Benjamin Simon served as the
Speaker 1: Army's chief of Neuropsychiatry. He used something called regression therapy
Speaker 1: more commonly known today as hypnosis in an attempt to
Speaker 1: extract more detail from their alleged encounter. In regression therapy
Speaker 1: sessions like this one, doctor Simon guides the PA and
Speaker 1: points them towards the source of their traumas very deep
Speaker 1: in their subconscious.
Speaker 12: For sleep. You will unfeed anxious war is fat, but
Speaker 12: he will remember everything, and you will tell me everything.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: Through several months of sessions, he slowly helped Betty and
Speaker 1: Barney Hill remember what happened during their lost time.
Speaker 12: Betty said, look, there's the thar moving. And then I
Speaker 12: pulled over to the side of the road. Betty passed
Speaker 12: his binoculars to meet. You can see the rows of waidows.
Speaker 12: All right. He can't hear any sound. You don't sound whatever. Alright,
Speaker 12: he tad no noise. I want to hear a jet.
Speaker 12: Why do you want to hear a jet? Because Betty
Speaker 12: is making me mad because he shined it.
Speaker 6: Look at that.
Speaker 12: It's straining that it's not a plane. Look at it,
Speaker 12: and I keep thinking it's got to be.
Speaker 1: Since these events, both Betty and Barney Hill have passed away,
Speaker 1: even though they lived in the Northeast. This was during
Speaker 1: the height of the civil rights movement, and because Betty
Speaker 1: and Barney Hill were an interracial couple, they did not
Speaker 1: want to be in the spotlight for their abduction story,
Speaker 1: so they didn't even discuss it with their friends. The
Speaker 1: story only became public after a reporter for the Boston
Speaker 1: Globe got a hold of some notes that a UFO
Speaker 1: researcher took while interviewing them in confidentiality. Barney states that
Speaker 1: the object in the sky was making no noise. He
Speaker 1: also claimed to experience some sort of time loss today
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. These are all familiar themes we've
Speaker 1: heard when it comes to UFO sightings. But the interesting
Speaker 1: part of this is how long ago it happened. This
Speaker 1: was in nineteen sixty one, so over seventy years now,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the first major claims of an
Speaker 1: alien abduction on record in American history.
Speaker 8: So you could argue that either.
Speaker 1: The concept of time loss and hovering crafts that make
Speaker 1: no sound all started right here and then evolved into
Speaker 1: pop culture in such a way that literally hundreds of
Speaker 1: other people in the years following began applying the same
Speaker 1: idea to their own claims, or that whatever they did
Speaker 1: experience that night truly involved those things.
Speaker 8: Either way, it started right here.
Speaker 1: If Betty and Barney Hill were making all this up
Speaker 1: or simply hallucinating, then they still literally created the concept
Speaker 1: of time loss and aircrafts that don't make noise. Maybe
Speaker 1: they did truly experience this and everyone else is making
Speaker 1: up their stories and were simply influenced by Betty and
Speaker 1: Barney Hill, Or maybe there's a legitimate common thread here.
Speaker 1: The following is the tape from Betty and Barney Hill's
Speaker 1: regression therapy sessions and I must warn you it is
Speaker 1: very intense and may be triggering for some people. Listener
Speaker 1: discretion is advised. One more warning about the intensity of
Speaker 1: the tape you're about to hear.
Speaker 10: I've got to get my gug.
Speaker 9: All right, definitely calm now way back, you see we
Speaker 9: lack you will not have to make in the outside.
Speaker 1: At this point in the tape, Barney again becomes overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with fear and anxiety. This is actually why he started
Speaker 1: seeing a psychiatrist in the first place. Ever since he
Speaker 1: saw this UFO, he'd been plagued with severe anxiety, and
Speaker 1: his first psychiatrist couldn't figure it out until he met
Speaker 1: doctor Simon.
Speaker 12: Keeps his memory, you feel you have to get your
Speaker 12: gune its fund.
Speaker 7: Of harm, and you sell.
Speaker 6: I how couldn't the tncle might come?
Speaker 12: Did I get it?
Speaker 6: Did I get back into calm?
Speaker 12: Did I put it?
Speaker 5: Did I call it?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 13: I get out.
Speaker 12: Where the bonca is?
Speaker 10: I walk it out.
Speaker 12: And I because the road never even it up there
Speaker 12: anything now I know and there plus we did to
Speaker 12: sing it. But it's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 4: Go on.
Speaker 12: I can see it chilts toward me, tilted as much
Speaker 12: does it looks like Now when you say tilted, did
Speaker 12: you see it?
Speaker 10: Looks like a big handcake.
Speaker 12: With windows and lights and rolls of windows like a
Speaker 12: commercial clinging. They're not like a commercial plane because they
Speaker 12: curved around to the size of this pancake. Green eyes
Speaker 12: are there always, the eyes are there, and they're telling
Speaker 12: me I don't have.
Speaker 10: To be afraid.
Speaker 12: How did you see these figures so clearly as that district.
Speaker 12: I was looking at him with binoculars. Yeah, his eyes
Speaker 12: were planted.
Speaker 10: I see it.
Speaker 6: Oh his eyes head did this.
Speaker 12: Creature, this leader is telling me something? How how did
Speaker 12: he getting it to you? I can see it in
Speaker 12: his spades?
Speaker 7: You would see you move?
Speaker 12: Yes, now the tip start moving's going. He's telling you
Speaker 12: something and he's looking at me. How could you'd be doing?
Speaker 12: He was telling you that guy there was the guys
Speaker 12: you more. What did he tell you? Stay there and
Speaker 12: keep looking? That's keep looking and stay there and just
Speaker 12: keep looking.
Speaker 6: Yes, just keep looking? He could you hear eachell? Oh,
Speaker 6: I got a pulling pinoculars. Wait for my eyes because
Speaker 6: if I don't, I'll.
Speaker 12: Just keep staying there. Look you heary tell you that?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 12: No, he didn't say it.
Speaker 6: You felt you tell it.
Speaker 7: I know you did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, stay there, he saying to you, I'll taking my
Speaker 6: head and pulled up a dock.
Speaker 12: Little boy, God give me his tread all right, dun't
Speaker 12: work job, give me dake.
Speaker 6: I gotta get away.
Speaker 12: All right, Calm down, I'm getting.
Speaker 1: So what was it that Barney was actually looking at
Speaker 1: through the binoculars. According to him, it was like whatever
Speaker 1: he was seeing was communicating with him from up in
Speaker 1: the sky. Barney got back in the car and drove
Speaker 1: down the road with Betty in the passenger seat to
Speaker 1: get out of there.
Speaker 12: They sleep a little over. Ounce we'll get put all right.
Speaker 6: I don't have to be agreed. But they won't.
Speaker 12: Talk to me. Who won't talk to you? The man
Speaker 12: they are standing in the road, is there an accident
Speaker 12: down the road?
Speaker 1: They stumbled upon a strange roadblock out in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere.
Speaker 6: Where are you?
Speaker 12: You're in the car? I sat a good food ran
Speaker 12: and they were standing in that highway, and I say, strange.
Speaker 12: I am only thinking of mental pictures because my eyes
Speaker 12: are cold, and I think I am going.
Speaker 4: Up.
Speaker 1: Doctor Benjamin Simon's process was a slow one, but throughout
Speaker 1: six months of therapy, he was able to piece together
Speaker 1: the whole story of the roadblock, with Bonnie only remembering
Speaker 1: pieces of it at a time.
Speaker 12: I don't want to be operating. You don't want to
Speaker 12: be operated on? What makes you think of an operation?
Speaker 12: I was thinking about this, and I was lying on
Speaker 12: my stomach pit looking with each end of the road.
Speaker 12: At what point did they played? They took me and
Speaker 12: carried me this ramp. I was playing on the table
Speaker 12: and my client was opening, and I thought, are putting
Speaker 12: a pepper around my prior tribes. If I keep real
Speaker 12: quiet and you're real still, I won't think hard and
Speaker 12: it will be over.
Speaker 1: In all these sessions, Barney never fully remembers what happened
Speaker 1: on the table he.
Speaker 8: Was put on.
Speaker 12: I opened my eyes and there's the car and the
Speaker 12: lights are on and it is not running, and I
Speaker 12: see Betty is coming down the raid. He gets him
Speaker 12: to the car, and I am grinning at her, and
Speaker 12: she is grinning back at me, and we both seem
Speaker 12: so elated. How funny, I have no reason to fair.
Speaker 12: And we look with him, and I think a bright moan,
Speaker 12: and I laugh and say, well, there it goes. I
Speaker 12: never believed in flying starters, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know where they came from.
Speaker 12: You wish you had gone with them?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, very interesting coats some distant plant. All right,
Speaker 12: they'll stop there. It'll be calm and relaxed. You'll forget
Speaker 12: everything we have had on me until I asked you
Speaker 12: to recall it again.
Speaker 6: And they wait down?
Speaker 11: Wow, I can't little to three?
Speaker 6: Can you bring me in here?
Speaker 7: Ten minutes?
Speaker 6: Top three?
Speaker 10: Yes, how do you hail?
Speaker 6: All right? Don't continue that.
Speaker 10: We wait from today.
Speaker 1: Just like Barney, Betty underwent her own hypnosis sessions. The
Speaker 1: anxiety that Betty was experiencing came in the form of
Speaker 1: vivid dreams, and these started immediately after the night of
Speaker 1: the incident.
Speaker 10: I don't know where we are.
Speaker 6: Hell, don't you even know how?
Speaker 14: I'm just assure you feeling your so that happens. I'm
Speaker 14: not really sed to afraid.
Speaker 10: Why are you crying if you're not afraid? I was
Speaker 10: afraid when I thought the bit of the rose, the
Speaker 10: man in the rope.
Speaker 6: Tell me about the men in the mass.
Speaker 10: That's all right, now, you're safe here. Tell me about
Speaker 10: the men in the roads. We went out of this
Speaker 10: narrow road. It was these men.
Speaker 6: Standing in the highway.
Speaker 10: He sat the casts. These fatis would come up to
Speaker 10: this pass.
Speaker 6: I get real scared.
Speaker 10: Fannie tried to fat the cast. He did what did
Speaker 10: he try to? Sat the car at walk fats just
Speaker 10: the opposite cat doors.
Speaker 4: Go off.
Speaker 10: You can remember everything, though, he says, don't be afraid.
Speaker 10: You don't form any reason to be afraid. Went not
Speaker 10: great to pause you.
Speaker 4: We just wanted to use the path with a champ
Speaker 4: of rope, which would take you a Saudi back it
Speaker 4: put you with your cass.
Speaker 10: You'll be I give way. These mens focutingh he had
Speaker 10: an accent.
Speaker 6: He's a dish an ex So there was Jeff's orgy.
Speaker 10: We came to that's clearing. The object was on the grab.
Speaker 10: The object was on the room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was a state.
Speaker 14: What I was watching in the sky.
Speaker 1: The same craft that she saw in the sky was
Speaker 1: now on the ground and the clearing. And according to Betty,
Speaker 1: she was being guided by these men towards a ramp
Speaker 1: leading up into the object.
Speaker 6: They're taking me up to the as.
Speaker 10: They had a lot of I don't know what's going
Speaker 10: to happen. I don't want to coach. I go up
Speaker 10: the ramp.
Speaker 15: That I go inside. There's a roue and not a man.
Speaker 15: Hevin's end, but he tells me to any goshomery to ask.
Speaker 10: Kind of in the middle of the room is its tables.
Speaker 10: I lie down and the extrav.
Speaker 6: Has a little needle in his hand.
Speaker 10: This video that anythner I've ever seens. I asked him
Speaker 10: what he starts to fill with this, and he that
Speaker 10: he just wants to.
Speaker 4: Foot it in my fadle. I don't, I know it
Speaker 4: will hurt. Oh still, so it's so anything.
Speaker 10: I paid my face and I'm crying, and I tell
Speaker 10: her to get hurting, and that leaders so.
Speaker 14: As this s foot of my eyes and he says,
Speaker 14: I'll be all.
Speaker 10: Right, I won't seal it, and all the case goes away.
Speaker 10: I asked the leader, I said, why did they shake
Speaker 10: the fatlet nagel?
Speaker 14: And he said it was a pregnancy sis. I don't
Speaker 14: know what they expected, but that was no fregnancy fist.
Speaker 1: The rational question starts to become is she just remembering
Speaker 1: a nightmare or is she being haunted by fragmented memories
Speaker 1: of something that actually happened. What's interesting, though, is that
Speaker 1: either version of this is totally bizarre. If she was
Speaker 1: of sound mind, like everyone who knew her has said.
Speaker 1: For her to be to abruptly experience vivid, lifelike dreams
Speaker 1: that perfectly matched that of her husband's too well, science
Speaker 1: can't really explain that very well either. And on the
Speaker 1: other hand, if it were all true and she was
Speaker 1: actually led into a spacecraft that night, that's pretty damn weird. Two,
Speaker 1: And you also can't discount the physical evidence Betty's dress
Speaker 1: that was badly ripped and stained, the tops of Barney's
Speaker 1: shoes that were scraped up, the strap on.
Speaker 8: His binoculars that was broken.
Speaker 1: Both of their wristwatches stopped working, weird circular marks on
Speaker 1: the truck of their car that would make a compass
Speaker 1: spin if you got close to it. These things are real,
Speaker 1: and they're heavily documented. So even if you want to
Speaker 1: say they just made all this up, you'd have to
Speaker 1: also add in that they elaborately staged this thing too,
Speaker 1: or they did experience something real and physical that wasn't
Speaker 1: an alien spacecraft and all these physical changes were a
Speaker 1: result of it. The bottom line is, there aren't many
Speaker 1: cases in modern history that are this hard to make
Speaker 1: sense of. Something happened that night and over seventy years later,
Speaker 1: there isn't one good, single explanation for any of it.
Speaker 11: We have heard the extraordinary personal story of Barney and
Speaker 11: Betty Hill, and a much broader discussion of the phenomenon
Speaker 11: of UFOs by a panel of authorities, some of whom
Speaker 11: insists there are no visitors from outer space, some of
Speaker 11: whom are skeptical, and some of whom believe that the
Speaker 11: only explanation to fit the facts is that there are
Speaker 11: extra terrestrial visitors. Unidentified flying objects demands serious and immediate
Speaker 11: scientific attention. We would recommend one an immediate study in
Speaker 11: depth by university teams, two a pattern analysis by computer
Speaker 11: of existing data, and three the establishment of a UFO
Speaker 11: research center staffed by competent scientists. For ridicule is no
Speaker 11: longer appropriate.
Speaker 1: Here's Avi Lobe, professor of science at Harvard University.
Speaker 13: The reports from government are interesting because the most juicy
Speaker 13: data must be classified.
Speaker 1: He started a program called the Galileo Project to study
Speaker 1: UAPs after first contacting NASA to see if they could
Speaker 1: work together. He never got a reply, so instead of
Speaker 1: waiting around, he embarked on his own nonprofit scientific endeavor.
Speaker 1: He's raised over two million dollars to fund their team's research.
Speaker 13: The sky is not classified. The data is classified just
Speaker 13: because the sensors used to collect it are classified. It's
Speaker 13: very intriguing that people high up in the chain of command,
Speaker 13: the head of NASA, Director of National Intelligence, not these
Speaker 13: things that appear to be intriguing. And I think what
Speaker 13: we need to do is collect new data. That's what
Speaker 13: the Galileo Project aims to do.
Speaker 1: Their goal is to study UAPs from the ground, launching
Speaker 1: probes in the space to rendezvous with interstellar objects using
Speaker 1: some of the most advanced scientific instruments in the world.
Speaker 8: Their ultimate goal.
Speaker 1: Is to learn as much as possible and determine whether
Speaker 1: these objects are natural phenomena or technological in origin from
Speaker 1: another planet out in the universe.
Speaker 13: We are designing our own instruments, instruments carried by military
Speaker 13: personnel used for national security purposes. The instruments the galie
Speaker 13: Low Project is developing. We're designed, we're optimized to detect
Speaker 13: such lata. We have full understanding of the doctor's views,
Speaker 13: and that's the path forward, rather than waiting for the
Speaker 13: government to release classified data. Because you can wait forever,
Speaker 13: it may not happen. And I don't want the government
Speaker 13: to compromise national security. I don't want them to do that.
Speaker 13: The government is not a scientific organization. I think it's
Speaker 13: the duty, the civil duty of scientists to help them
Speaker 13: figure out what these unidentified objects are. If some are
Speaker 13: runs from China, that's for them to study, because that's
Speaker 13: a matter of national security. But I'm just looking for
Speaker 13: whatever appears to be an outlier that has nothing to
Speaker 13: blue with human made objects. The budget that the government
Speaker 13: has is larger than any scientific organization. They have access
Speaker 13: to sensors and data quality that nobody else has, just
Speaker 13: because they are defending the safety of the nation. As
Speaker 13: a result, they come across things that have nothing to
Speaker 13: blue with national security that could be of scientific value.
Speaker 8: During the height of the Cold War, the US was
Speaker 8: worried that the Soviets or.
Speaker 1: China would break the Treaty in Place, which banned detonating
Speaker 1: nuclear bombs. In order to try and track this, the
Speaker 1: US entail a variety of sensors on multiple spacecraft, and
Speaker 1: as a result, they detected occasional bursts of gamma rays.
Speaker 1: Thinking at first they were from Russia, they dug deeper
Speaker 1: into the data and realized that these gamma rays were
Speaker 1: actually coming from distant galaxies.
Speaker 13: They brought it to the attention of Pipelet Los Alamos
Speaker 13: that are also astronomers, and there was a scientific paper
Speaker 13: written by the group at Los Alamos basically saying these
Speaker 13: are gamma ray bursts. We don't know what their origin is,
Speaker 13: but it's definitely not on Earth. These flashes are coming
Speaker 13: from the universe, but not coming from the Russians. Eventually,
Speaker 13: it was an Italian Swiss satellite that detected in addition
Speaker 13: to the gamma rays, detected also X rays and could
Speaker 13: localize in the sky precisely where the flash is coming from.
Speaker 13: And then they found a galaxy in that location on
Speaker 13: the sky so they could tell the distance. It was
Speaker 13: realized these flashes are coming from across the entire universe,
Speaker 13: very powerful explosions. This is an example where the government
Speaker 13: actually was first to detect an astronomical source of a
Speaker 13: new type, most likely a result of a star collapsing.
Speaker 13: The star collapses makes a black hole at the center,
Speaker 13: and if it's pointed at us, we see it as
Speaker 13: a gamma ray flash. What lies outside of our backyard
Speaker 13: is not necessarily what we find in our backyard. In
Speaker 13: the past decade found the first objects from outside the
Speaker 13: Solar System.
Speaker 8: Guess what, Three out of the four do.
Speaker 13: Not look like the rocks we had seen in the
Speaker 13: Solar System, So we should be open minded. We've been
Speaker 13: proven wrong. It may well be that some of these
Speaker 13: interstellar objects are artificial in origins.
Speaker 1: Abby isn't shy about expressing his distaste for a large
Speaker 1: portion of the science community and how they treat the
Speaker 1: subject of UAPs. In his eyes, he's seen time and
Speaker 1: time again respected peers shying away from the concept of
Speaker 1: et life merely because of the tremendous implications of it all.
Speaker 13: In order to adapt to the reality that we live in,
Speaker 13: we have to understand it, and that should be common knowledge.
Speaker 13: It cannot be restricted to a small.
Speaker 6: Group of people.
Speaker 16: People like to hear stories of actual sightings.
Speaker 8: Here's Leslie Kane.
Speaker 16: The Nimetz case, the famous two thousand and four incident
Speaker 16: is considered one of the most powerful cases on the
Speaker 16: record that we have.
Speaker 1: In November of two thousand and four, the USS Nimetz
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier was conducting a training exercise off the coast
Speaker 1: of California.
Speaker 8: For six days in a row.
Speaker 1: They detected multiple anomalous aerial vehicles acronym AAVs that were
Speaker 1: operating in their near vicinity, basically foreign objects in the
Speaker 1: sky that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 16: I would show on these three videos which have since
Speaker 16: become incredibly famous, there's.
Speaker 7: A whole fleet.
Speaker 6: Have a look on the AFA.
Speaker 16: My god, that was stunning to me to see three
Speaker 16: videos that were in the possession of the US government
Speaker 16: that were taken by Navy pilots of UFOs. We were
Speaker 16: the ones that first broke that story into the public domain.
Speaker 16: What has now become known as the tictac.
Speaker 17: These shaped vehicles basically stalked the aircraft carrier for days.
Speaker 8: Here's Brian Bender.
Speaker 17: Pilots are flying off the aircraft carrier doing their drills,
Speaker 17: and these tictacs are just flying circles around them, flying
Speaker 17: at enormously high speeds, speeds that they can't even really
Speaker 17: begin to keep up with them if they wanted to.
Speaker 8: No sense from any.
Speaker 12: Of the radar.
Speaker 8: If there's an.
Speaker 17: Engine, it's not giving off any heat. Going from the
Speaker 17: service of the ocean to seventy thousand feet in a
Speaker 17: couple seconds, which would make any aircraft we know blow up.
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 8: How do they do that?
Speaker 12: How were they flying that way?
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, the videos were leaked in the massive
Speaker 1: articles put forth by Politico and The New York Times corrected.
Speaker 1: A fuzzy black and white video shows a large tic
Speaker 1: tac shaped object. The pilot looks onto it with the camera,
Speaker 1: loses it, then locks back in before it speeds off
Speaker 1: to the left out of frame.
Speaker 16: It was like flipping a switch from USO as being
Speaker 16: sort of a joke, and maybe some people understood it,
Speaker 16: but unless you research it, you don't really get it.
Speaker 16: And it's just sort of like roswell and whatever to
Speaker 16: a switch to saying our government knows these are real
Speaker 16: and they're studying them and they want to find out more.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you might seem like next to me, second yet closer.
Speaker 1: I sat down with one of the radar specialists working
Speaker 1: on the USS Princeton when the tic tac object was
Speaker 1: captured by fighter pilots.
Speaker 18: Fifteen and a half years in those same waters. This
Speaker 18: was the first time I had ever seen anything like this.
Speaker 1: This is Kevin Day, retired senior radar operator for the
Speaker 1: US Navy.
Speaker 18: Woke up in the morning, had coffee, You went up
Speaker 18: the combat getting ready for the air defense exercise. Our
Speaker 18: aircraft was still on the beach, the ships were out
Speaker 18: there and we were just getting ready for the operational exercise.
Speaker 18: We're out there for a training exercise. San Diego Coast
Speaker 18: is here. San Clemente Island's up north, and we're off
Speaker 18: in the playground area in the water right off the coast.
Speaker 18: We don't have any weapons loaded, and it's all safe.
Speaker 18: We conduct intercepts on radar. I'll take control of my
Speaker 18: good guy. I'll get a radar contact and I'll actually
Speaker 18: drive him to the intercept point and they'll intercept each other,
Speaker 18: and if they have to, they'll kill the bad guy.
Speaker 1: During a standard naval training exercise, Kevin was below deck
Speaker 1: of the USS Princeton when he noticed objects appearing on
Speaker 1: his radar screen that shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 18: He was just sitting there.
Speaker 8: I just tracked it.
Speaker 18: We all kind of thought, well, maybe it's civilian and
Speaker 18: they just forgot some test or something they were doing.
Speaker 18: Had them on radar, and we put them on the
Speaker 18: data links, reported them to the beach and gave our
Speaker 18: voice reports and said, hey, we're seeing these things. If
Speaker 18: you're worried about them, let us know. So if anyone
Speaker 18: was concerned about them. They have their data and we
Speaker 18: give heads up and everything. Over the night, I was
Speaker 18: saying to myself, if these objects, whatever they are, show
Speaker 18: up again, I got to talk to the captain. I'm
Speaker 18: worried about the safety of flight. The captain came down
Speaker 18: to combat. I said, hey, sir, you know what. We've
Speaker 18: been tracking these things for four days now and nobody
Speaker 18: has any idea what these are. I'm very, very concerned
Speaker 18: about safety of flight.
Speaker 1: Safety of flight was and is the primary concern. It's
Speaker 1: Kevin's job to detect any anomalies in the air that
Speaker 1: may pose.
Speaker 8: A threat to the pilots.
Speaker 1: These aircraft cost tens of millions of dollars to manufacture.
Speaker 1: Not only would a mid air collision put the military
Speaker 1: out of one of the most expensive jets on Earth,
Speaker 1: but more importantly, it would expose the pilots themselves to
Speaker 1: a very real risk of injury or death.
Speaker 18: I didn't want the aircraft to launch off and get
Speaker 18: involved with these objects, whatever the hell they were, and
Speaker 18: end up causing the mid air incident. If we have
Speaker 18: an air incident, someone's going to ask both you and me,
Speaker 18: why the how we didn't say something about it.
Speaker 1: Part of Kevin's responsibilities during this mission was to guide
Speaker 1: his pilot to the next rendezvous point. But this training
Speaker 1: exercise was interrupted and the pilots were ordered to get
Speaker 1: closer to the objects and try to figure out what
Speaker 1: these things were.
Speaker 18: They'd come from outer space, lower Earth orbit, go to
Speaker 18: twenty eight thousand feet right off the coast of Catalina,
Speaker 18: and then they would start going between us and the coast,
Speaker 18: right through our operating area, disappearing off the radars right
Speaker 18: by Guadelupe Island off Mexico. Whatever that object was drop
Speaker 18: right down to the surface of the water. These things
Speaker 18: were breaking the sounder, but there was no big move.
Speaker 18: Freaked us all out. We didn't even know how to
Speaker 18: respond to it. Came from outer space all the way
Speaker 18: down to twenty eight thousand feet and stopped, just stopped
Speaker 18: in the sky twenty eight thousand feet and.
Speaker 8: Just started circling.
Speaker 18: It was so outside of our experience we didn't know
Speaker 18: what to do. He went chasing it. They did a
Speaker 18: little dog fight down by those surfaces of the water.
Speaker 18: His wingmen, he left her up high. They looked like
Speaker 18: about a fifty foot long giant tic tack, pure white,
Speaker 18: no doors, no windows, no, nothing, same size of his aircraft. Proximately,
Speaker 18: whatever that object was went to fast Eagles assigned cap
Speaker 18: station the exact latitude, longitude and altitude it stopped. How
Speaker 18: in the hell didn't know where that cap point was?
Speaker 18: We hadn't been to it yet. It was a secret location.
Speaker 18: Only in secret message traffic. They knew where are intent.
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